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Lusiferon

07-19-2006, 07:37 PM

Can you really say Stan Lee, as much as I love him, is more important than the guys who created Superman?

To me, as a comic book afficiando, he is. He laid the foundation of the Marvel Universe and in my 20 years of reading I've read more Marvel than DC. :eek: And although, yes there wouldn't be a Marvel without the work done at DC first, Stan Lee is more responsible for the modern comic book that we read today.

Sam T.

07-19-2006, 07:38 PM

To me, as a comic book afficiando, he is. He laid the foundation of the Marvel Universe and in my 20 years of reading I've read more Marvel than DC. :eek: And although, yes there wouldn't be a Marvel without the work done at DC first, Stan Lee is more responsible for the modern comic book that we read today.

Hey couldn't agree with you more!

Chou Blaster

07-19-2006, 07:51 PM

Jack The king Kirby i s dmanit!

Why?

Because he gave Stan's writing LIFE, which is just as aweosme, if not more awesome.

Then again, THe pair who made Super Man started comic books, others followed.

agrich

07-19-2006, 08:15 PM

I love Jack Kirby, but the fact that Stan Lee did create some great comics with other artists - Spider-man and Dr. Strange with Steve Ditko, for example - at least suggests there could have been a successful Marvel Comics without Kirby. Would it have been as good, would there have been a Silver Surfer or a whole lot of stuff that Kirby came up with on his own, no way, but I do think there could have been a Hulk, Spider-man, Fantastic Four, and X-Men with Stan Lee and some other artist, even if it wouldn't have been as good. I'm not sure Kirby and some other writer would have made comics what they were in the 60s and laid the groundwork for what they went on to become. I don't know that that's a slight against Kirby; I just don't know if there would have been another writer to come along with the angle that Stan had, and even if Kirby had those ideas, would an artist have had the influence/power to get them done?

Guess I'm just saying I don't know if any of it would have happened without Lee, period. I really wonder if Marvel would ever have got off the ground or simply would have died out, and Kirby would have gone over to DC and spent years doing Superman or something.

Alan2099

07-19-2006, 08:29 PM

Superhero comics may have been around before Stan, but he gave them life.

Jack may have been a great guy, and he defintley ranks up there, but Stan has done plenty of work without Jack that's been great. Plus unlike a majority of the industry, he's always looked and acted like he's having the time of his life with comics.

Tony Starkz

07-19-2006, 10:20 PM

Hell yes he is.

xgeek52

07-19-2006, 11:25 PM

Patriot07

07-19-2006, 11:34 PM

Jack Kirby
Bill Finger
Joel Siegel
Jerry Schuster
Jules Schwartz

Are the most important people in comics, IMO. Stan Lee is way up there though.

Agentum

07-20-2006, 12:36 AM

He is very important for modern superhero comics but of course not for all comics there is, it's stupid to think that.

Marvel would probably been dead or a lot smaller without him.

The Foreigner

07-20-2006, 12:42 AM

Sorry, but it's Siegel and Shuster no matter what.

Bobster777

07-20-2006, 01:03 AM

I would have to say yes. While he didn't start it all, he was so instrumental in creating characters that are the rock bed of comics.

Sam T.

07-20-2006, 01:18 AM

Sorry, but it's Siegel and Shuster no matter what.

I don't know how you can say this....:confused:

Magneto Rocks

07-20-2006, 04:24 AM

Well if there was no Stan Lee there would probably still be comics- DC comics. Which I generally don't like/don't read. We don't KNOW that there would be no super-hero comics without the pair who created Superman, we can say pretty much 100% definitely there would be none of the best heroes without Stan Lee.

He invented:

Hulk
Spider-Man
X-Men
Fantastic Four
The Avengers

And those five (well, certainly the firsdt four) are arguably some of the most famous heroes in the world. In fact, Spider-Man is 100% definitely just as famous, if not MORE famous, than Supes and Batman. And let's face it; he has pretty rubbish powers, all things considered ;)

jam

07-20-2006, 05:05 AM

I'd have to hedge my bets (as much as I am a Stan Fan) and say that he is ONE of the MOST important people in comics.

Some of the others might include Jack (the King) Kirby, Steve Ditko (at least for co-creating Spider-Man), Julius Schwartz (who kick-started the Silver Age at DC; accounts I have seen indicate that without Mr. Schwartz's "new look" for Batman, there probably wouldn't be any Batman comics today; he created the JLA, without whom (according to legend) there would be no Fantastic Four ...).

Siegel and Shuster also, of course ...

Mister Mets

07-20-2006, 07:58 AM

He's one of the most important. If not #1, then #2.

Look at what's he's done. He cocreated the Fantastic Four, the X-Men (the concept of mutants), Spider-Man, Daredevil, the Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Doctor Strange, the Avengers, The Silver Surfer, Nick Fury, The Inhumans, Black Panther, dozens of supporting characters (from J Jonah Jameson to Foggy Nelson), hundreds of supervillains (from Dr Doom & Magneto to Modok & The High Evolutionary.) He did successful silver age revamps of Golden Age icons Captain America, and Namor. He added depth to characters that hadn't been seen before, got college kids reading comic books, helped make Marvel fans part of a community, is probably responsible for the dominance of the superhero genre more than anyone else, and a lot of other stuff. I don't believe any writer has ever worked with as many truly talented artists (Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, John Romita Sr, Gene Colan, Wally Wood, Jim Steranko, Barry Windsor Smith, Moebius, Neal Adams, Gil Kane, John Buscema, etc) but he worked with them to tell great stories about a universe, which has become the best in comics.
And he wrote some excellent stories ("Spider-Man" "The Coming of Galactus" "This Man, This Monster" "The Final Chapter" and "Far Worse than Death" come to mind.) He's not the best writer in the industry, but remains one of the best.

And he thought he was just taking advantage of a fad that would die out within a few years.

His greatest competition for the position is Will Eisner, who has the advantage of being a writer/ artist, and thus influencing both. He used groundbreaking cinematic techniques for the Spirit stories, and pioneered the graphic novel, making a comfortable living by not writing about superheroes. His influence grows along with the influence of the graphic novel.

I will have to think about this before giving an answer.

Mister Mets

07-20-2006, 08:09 AM

stan less and jack kirby are one the most important people in comic book history...without them there would be no marvel...i cannot think of anyone who can influence an industry like those two...:cool:

Will Eisner, and that's it.

Jack The king Kirby i s dmanit!

Why?

Because he gave Stan's writing LIFE, which is just as aweosme, if not more awesome.

Then again, THe pair who made Super Man started comic books, others followed.

The reason I believe Stan Lee is more influential than Kirby (who's still in the Top Ten if not Top Three) is because Jack Kirby did not draw (aside from a few guest-starr appearances) Stan lee's best character: Spider-Man. Stan Lee did some fantastic work with Steve Ditko, John Romita Sr, John Buscema, and others. And the thing which made Marvel Comics most unique was not Kirby's fantastic art/ sense of action, but the voice Stan Lee gave to the characters.

Mister Mets

07-20-2006, 08:12 AM

Can you really say Stan Lee, as much as I love him, is more important than the guys who created Superman?

1. This is comparing the influence of Stan Lee to the influence of a pair. I think it's easy to argue that Stan Lee had more impact than either of the two.
2. Superman was derivative of the novel "Gladiator," amongst other influences.
3. I honestly believe if not for Superman, someone else would have told stories of people with remarkable abilities using those powers for good.
4. Superman didn't even invent the secret identity. See Zorro, and the Scarlet Pimpernel. That would have eventually reached comics too.
5. You're comparing the Superman franchise to Spider-Man/ The Fantastic Four/ The Hulk/ Iron Man/ Thor/ Doctor Strange/ Silver Surfer/ Daredevil/ The X-Men/ The Avengers.

algertman

07-20-2006, 08:54 AM

No. Jack Kirby is.

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR

Eisner aswell

History has been very kind to Stan, despite his bridge burning.

Mister Mets

07-20-2006, 10:26 AM

After careful consideration, I voted for Stan Lee, because all the characters he cocreated, and the discernable effect he's had on pop culture ("With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" etc).

Eisner's a close second.
Kirby's somewhere near the top.
Elsewhere on the Top Ten would be Windsor McKay, Charles Shultz, Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Art Spiegelman, Osamu Tezuka, and Neal Adams.

StoneGold

07-20-2006, 10:29 AM

Let's put it this way, he's definitely the most important person in the last half-century.

Leebenhouse

07-20-2006, 01:01 PM

Leebenhouse

07-20-2006, 01:04 PM

And, as for Stan, as creative as he was, when was the last time he wrote any good comics...? Let me put it this way; Ravange 2099 anyone?

jeffb1982

07-20-2006, 02:06 PM

I don't know about importance to the indusytry but he is the most well known creator/writter ever.

jimmyboy

07-20-2006, 02:19 PM

Starkicker

07-20-2006, 03:31 PM

I'd have to vote for Stan.
The modern American comic book is built on Stan's work.
Everyone has listed legends from Eisner (possibly the most talented artist ever) to Kirby (possibly the most influessential artist ever) but Stan is the man.
We live in the house that Stan built.

bd2999

07-20-2006, 07:27 PM

He is one of them.

Mister Mets

07-20-2006, 09:04 PM

Okay... riddle me this, why is Eisner ranked so highly by you guys? I've only read one individual comic he's worked on in about 20 years of reading comics. What gives?

P.S. I think Kirby's the most overrated artist ever, sure he inspired dozens, but I'm frankly more a Ditko/Heck fan, if you're talking about that era.

The debate's about influence & importance, not quality, so whether or not Kirby's over-rated is irrelevant.

As for what Eisner did....
He's probably done more than anyone else to prove that comics aren't just for children.
He used cinematic techniques in his Spirit stories.
He pioneered the graphic novel, and wrote a dozen or so recently, about mature topics (ranging from autobiographical work to a sympathetic portrayal of a Jewish character from the antisemitic Oliver Twist.)
He's written two of the best books on comics. "Sequential Art" and "Graphic Storytelling."
It's irrelvant whether or not you've read only one of his works, but I give my Highest Recommendation to DC's recent Best of the Spirit trade, and The Building Stories Hardcover.

And, as for Stan, as creative as he was, when was the last time he wrote any good comics...? Let me put it this way; Ravange 2099 anyone?

Is that relevant to a thread about the influence of the man's best work?
And I thought he did a good Aesop's fable in DC's September 11 tribute book, and enjoyed his Spider-Man/ Kingpin one shot a few years back.

Dustin

07-21-2006, 12:18 AM

I said yes because Stan Lee has made such an inspiration on my liking for comics. I would have thought comics were for nerds if it weren't for him. He started it all out for me.

J. Robb

07-21-2006, 12:39 AM

Stan may not be the single most important man in comics history, but he is, however, still The Man. :)

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 12:43 AM

Stan may not be the single most important man in comics history, but he is, however, still The Man. :)

He is the man! I did a book report about him in high school!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 12:52 AM

Isn't he the guy who started it all?

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 12:55 AM

Isn't he the guy who started it all?

The Marvel Universe? Yes he did!!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:05 AM

Awesome. I really like his The Amazing Spider-Man comics. They're really good. I enjoy reading them a lot. That was what got me in to actually liking comics.

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 01:14 AM

Yeah I just got done reading some of those Essential Spider-Man volumes, and they really are some of my favorite stories!!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:15 AM

He also created most of the other marvels which I find really cool too.

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 01:18 AM

He has created some of the best characters!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:22 AM

Some the ideas by him for the comics were a litlle annoying, it still didn't ruin the comics. I really like the villians he made up. They rock too.

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 01:25 AM

Some the ideas by him for the comics were a litlle annoying, it still didn't ruin the comics. I really like the villians he made up. They rock too.

Hey he did make some awesome villians!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:29 AM

Who was your favorite? I don't know if I can answer that myself, but if I had to it would probably be Venom because he is so freakish looking.

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 01:31 AM

Who was your favorite? I don't know if I can answer that myself, but if I had to it would probably be Venom because he is so freakish looking.

I'm pretty sure Stan Lee didn't create Venom!

My favorite would have to be Dr.Doom!!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:33 AM

Oh yeahhhh! Why didn't I think of that.:rolleyes:

I also liked Dr. Octopus (he was a little cheesey looking though) and the Green Goblin (now he looked awesome).

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 01:36 AM

Oh yeahhhh! Why didn't I think of that.:rolleyes:

I also liked Dr. Octopus (he was a little cheesey looking though) and the Green Goblin (now he looked awesome).

How about Magneto, Mysterio, Loki, or Sandman??

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:38 AM

How about Magneto, Mysterio, Loki, or Sandman??
Gosh. I forgot about all of them. I feel stupid.:o

Leebenhouse

07-21-2006, 01:38 AM

Hand's down I gotta say Stan the Man. Out of the three, like I said before, I only own one Eisner comic, which was good, but not good enough to impress me to the point of thinking he's one of the most influencial men in comics. I can see from what you said about him, the books he wrote, and that he did the first graphic novel that makes him certainly a top creator, but... That's no Marvel Comics, which was nothing without Stan Lee.

Jack Kirby may have influenced just about all of the artists of the 80s, but, as for the Fantastic four, that book was all Jack and Stan.

I'd judge influence by just how far reatching someone was. Stan created the flawed superhero, copied just about everywhere, and Kirby's art inspired a generation, and that whole Freedom Force game.

Look at it this way, I've got a decent amount of Stan and Jack books, but I've got one Eisner. Hands down, Stan and Jack kick his ass.

As for the battle of Stan Vs. Jack. Jack was an influencial artist, but which would be worse, a world without Stan Lee or a world without Jack Kirby? What would we have without Stan? No Spidey, no FF, no X-Men, no Marvel Universe as we know it. Without Jack Kirby? No "Fifth World" at DC (whcih never has a lasting series), no Eternals, who couldn't sell until Gaiman wrote em...

'Nuff said.

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:41 AM

Yeah I liked Jack Kirby too. And Steve Ditko who also worked with him at the beginning.

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 01:55 AM

Yeah I liked Jack Kirby too. And Steve Ditko who also worked with him at the beginning.

Stan Lee has been on books with the best artist!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 01:51 PM

Yeah. Steve Ditko drew well.

-S-Man-

07-21-2006, 02:27 PM

Thats a poorly worded question. I think this would have been better:
Is Stan Lee the most important individual in the history of comic book writers?

I think that he shares his mantle with Jerry Siegel writer/ creator of Superman.
I think that because Stan has come up with such a wide range of diverse super heros that have beome loved by many is the greatest.

I recently saw a program about the history of Superman and there were time where Superman comics had low sales but I think that Spidey and the X-Men have always had a very strong following and strong consistant sales.

Norrin Radd

07-21-2006, 06:47 PM

Thats a poorly worded question. I think this would have been better:
Is Stan Lee the most important individual in the history of comic book writers?

The question is what it is.

If I had asked it your way, the answer would unquestionably be Stan Lee.

Dustin

07-21-2006, 07:33 PM

[QUOTE=-S-Man-]Thats a poorly worded question. I think this would have been better:
Is Stan Lee the most important individual in the history of comic book writers?

QUOTE]
We all have different opinions and my answer to that would be yes.

Mister Mets

07-21-2006, 08:02 PM

Who was your favorite? I don't know if I can answer that myself, but if I had to it would probably be Venom because he is so freakish looking.

I think the Red Skull may be the best villain to appear in Stan Lee stories (although he didn't make him up.) Unlike Doctor Octopus, the Green Goblin, Doctor Doom, and Magneto, I don't think anyone's ever written a better Red Skull story than Stan Lee.

The more Silver Age reprints I read, the more supervillains I realize Stan Lee cocreated, from the High Evolutionary, and SuperAdaptoid to Modok, Whiplash, and Fing Fang Foom.

Dustin

07-21-2006, 08:10 PM

I'm pretty sure Stan Lee didn't create Venom!

My favorite would have to be Dr.Doom!!
Who created him then?:confused:

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 08:14 PM

not quite sure on that...I do know Todd McFarlane drew him the best!!

Dustin

07-21-2006, 08:28 PM

Oh. Anyways, does anyone know the latest marvel character he has created?

Sam T.

07-21-2006, 08:31 PM

I'm afraid I don't know what his latest creation is...

Dustin

07-21-2006, 08:43 PM

He doesn't write comics anymore does he?

Billy Parker

07-21-2006, 11:23 PM

Any number of musicians created rock and roll, from Leadbelly, to Chuck Berry. But does that make them the most important characters in rock and roll? No. The Beatles are the true masters of the genre.

The same goes for the creators of Superman and Stan Lee. Sure they were there first, but their creation was all crappy. Stan Lee is the true master of comics, exclamation point!

Well, going off on a tangent, I guess you could call Jack "King" Kirby the Elvis/"King" of comics!

Titan76

07-22-2006, 09:43 AM

As for the battle of Stan Vs. Jack. Jack was an influencial artist, but which would be worse, a world without Stan Lee or a world without Jack Kirby? What would we have without Stan? No Spidey, no FF, no X-Men, no Marvel Universe as we know it. Without Jack Kirby? No "Fifth World" at DC (whcih never has a lasting series), no Eternals, who couldn't sell until Gaiman wrote em...

'Nuff said.
No its not Nuff said. Jack Kirby not only drew the art for the books(he drew for FIVE comics books every month!!) but he also did most if not all the plots as well during his time with Stan Lee. Most of the time Jack would just send Stan the story all drawn and everything and Stan would just fill the rest of the book with the words, as was told by Stan Lee himself when the "History Channel" did a report on the histroy of comic books.

This type of story telling has a name but I can't remember it. Not to mention this is the same type of story telling artist like Jim Lee and such used at Marvel during the early 90's that lead many Marvel writers to leave their books because they were not involed in any of the story telling.

Without Jack Kirby there would be NO Marvel. PERIOD!! Likewise without Stan Lee there would also be no Marvel as well. It took a team effort from both Stan and Jack to make Marvel the super power it is today, NOT Stan Lee all by himself. Which is why I don't understand why Jack's name its inside the Marvel's books with Stan's when it says "Stan Lee presents....". It should say "Stan Lee and Jack Kirby presents.....".

And finally where was it said by ANYONE that Stan Lee created all the Marvel characters himself? Where? Can someone give me a link or web site that says this. Because I have never seen Stan Lee ever say that he created all the Marvel characters himself. As far as I am concerned this is just a made up LIE.

streator

07-22-2006, 10:39 AM

No Superman means no Superheroes.

And no Marvel Universe.

Stan Lee is important, but not the most important person in comics.
i agree with jake v, and i don't read any dc books nor do i care for superman as a character.

Dustin

07-22-2006, 12:51 PM

i agree with jake v, and i don't read any dc books nor do i care for superman as a character.
Yeah. I'm more of a marvel person also. Stan Lee is what made me believe that too.

Agentum

07-22-2006, 12:59 PM

Who created him then?:confused:
Writer David Michelinie and artist Todd McFarlane is said to have created Venom, Lee was not very involved with comics then.

Dustin

07-22-2006, 01:13 PM

Okay, thanks Agentum. Anyways, does anyone have a real-life picture of Stan Lee. I've never seen what he really looks like. Only a comic book drawing.:rolleyes: So if anyone has a picture could you please post it. If not then I will try looking on google and hopefully they will show me the right Stan Lee.

agrich

07-22-2006, 01:17 PM

Writer David Michelinie and artist Todd McFarlane is said to have created Venom, Lee was not very involved with comics then.

The black costume that became Venom was introduced in Spider-Man 252, and then explained a few months later, I think, in Secret Wars. Perhaps Michelinie was writing Spider-Man at the time? Jim Shooter, I think, wrote Secret Wars. From its introduction, it was intended to be an alien symbiote, alive, and (probably) a future enemy for Spider-man.

Perhaps McFarlane was on the book when it was bonded with Eddie Brock and first came to be called "Venom"; maybe he was responsible for the big drooling mouth and teeth and tongue and stuff. But, he doesn't deserve full credit for the character, although he certainly had something to do with the popularity.

Agentum

07-22-2006, 01:17 PM

http://www.superiorpics.com/hs/stan_lee/main1.jpg

Probably the most known comic creator, especially for his voice.

Tommy

07-22-2006, 03:19 PM

Joe Simon on Spider-man, "Jack brought in the Spider-Man logo that I had loaned to him before we changed the name to The Silver Spider. Kirby laid out the story to Lee about the kid who finds a ring in a spiderweb, gets his powers from the ring, and goes forth to fight crime armed with The Silver Spider's old web-spinning pistol. Stan Lee said, 'Perfect, just what I want.' After obtaining permission from publisher Martin Goodman, Lee told Kirby to pencil-up an origin story. Kirby... using parts of an old rejected superhero named Night Fighter... revamped the old Silver Spider script, including revisions suggested by Lee. But when Kirby showed Lee the sample pages, it was Lee's turn to gripe. He had been expecting a skinny young kid who is transformed into a skinny young kid with spider powers. Kirby had him turn into... Captain America with cobwebs. He turned Spider-Man over to Steve Ditko, who... ignored Kirby's pages, tossed the character's magic ring, web-pistol and goggles... and completely redesigned Spider-Man's costume and equipment. In this life, he became high-school student Peter Parker, who gets his spider powers after being bitten by a radioactive spider. ... Lastly, the Spider-Man logo was redone and a dashing hyphen added."

Dustin

07-22-2006, 06:42 PM

Sorry but the picture doesn't show up.

Jeff-E

07-22-2006, 07:43 PM

I give this question a huge yes. The Seigel and Shuster, arguement is like this just because you win a race doesn't mean you were the only person in it. Seigel and Shuster did create an Icon, but Stan created or had a hand in creating several and his characters more than anyother shaped the face of comics. Hero's with problems that we could relate to (i.e. Spiderman, the Xmen), as opposed to hero's who were basically gods (i.e. Superman Batman) Stan did that.

Dustin

07-23-2006, 04:28 PM

Never Mind. Found One!

http://www.countdowntowednesday.com/press/images/Stan-Lee-2.jpg

Dustin

07-23-2006, 11:30 PM

HERE IS ONE WHEN HE WAS A BIT YOUNGER.

http://www.tumbaabierta.com/cripta/img/stan_lee.jpg

Leebenhouse

07-24-2006, 02:27 AM

Dude, google picture him, hes the old dude with dark sunglassses. Or if you're old enough rent Mallrats, funny movie, with a prominant spot for Stan Lee as... Himself!!!

You'll get a kick out of the stuff Brody(Jason Lee of TV's My Name is Earl, a damn funny show) says about comic book characters.

Seigel and Shuster created a comic strip character, who happened to be published in a comic book. I f-in hate Superman, although I liked the post-crisis version for a while.

icctrombone

07-24-2006, 03:21 AM

His writing might have saved the comic industry back in the 60's.

Agentum

07-24-2006, 06:00 AM

Well, the superhero comics then, not all comics.

DC would probably be diffrent too, they was forced to compete hard with Marvel, without a strong Marvel i wonder what superhero comics had been today?

Gilda Dent

07-24-2006, 06:45 AM

I voted no. In the top five, probably, but I think Malcom Wheeler-Nicholson, founder of the company that would become DC comics, which dominated the superhero genre for the first two decades, and publisher of arguably the first modern comic book, would be higher.

As far as the creative types? Yeah, Stan would probably be the one I'd put at the top. Jack's in second there, but Stan I think is in first by himself.

Gilda

Dustin

07-24-2006, 02:16 PM

His writing might have saved the comic industry back in the 60's.
That's one of the things that make him awesome!;)

Sam T.

07-24-2006, 02:19 PM

That's one of the things that make him awesome!;)

I can totally agree with you on this!

hmnut73

07-24-2006, 02:25 PM

I can totally agree with you on this!

I agree with you agreeing with that. He took a dying industry and turned it around. There is a good chance that had he not come along there superhero comics would have died in the 60's and we all be the smartest Doctors and Lawyers in the world instead of wasting our lives reading funny books.

Thank You Stan!!!:)

Mister Mets

07-24-2006, 04:17 PM

Mister Mets

07-24-2006, 04:18 PM

I agree with you agreeing with that. He took a dying industry and turned it around. There is a good chance that had he not come along there superhero comics would have died in the 60's and we all be the smartest Doctors and Lawyers in the world instead of wasting our lives reading funny books.

Thank You Stan!!!:)

We'd probably be addicted to something else, maybe Lord of the Rings, and Star Trek, or something more high-class like Opera.

Or maybe just drugs.

Lord Paradise

07-24-2006, 04:27 PM

Yes.

Superman was created in the '30s (might be wrong here) and superhero comics went out in the fifties. That's 20 years.

Stan Lee brought them back in the 60s and they're still running strong, 40 years later.

Marc Spector

07-24-2006, 04:45 PM

How about Hal Foster?

He influenced many comic creators like Buscema, Kirby, Kubert, Frazetta, etc with his art and storytelling.

Dustin

07-24-2006, 11:28 PM

Dustin

07-25-2006, 11:34 PM

How about Hal Foster?

He influenced many comic creators like Buscema, Kirby, Kubert, Frazetta, etc with his art and storytelling.
I still like Stan Lee best though.

Leebenhouse

07-25-2006, 11:51 PM

Uh.... who's Hal Foster?

And let me put it this way, when was the last time anybody besides maybe Quesada has made a television appearance for Marvel?

Dustin

07-26-2006, 11:13 PM

What is Stan Lee's latest comic? Anyone know?

Jake V

07-26-2006, 11:14 PM

Uh.... who's Hal Foster?

And let me put it this way, when was the last time anybody besides maybe Quesada has made a television appearance for Marvel?
Rob Liefeld, maybe.

StoneGold

07-26-2006, 11:18 PM

Rob Liefeld, maybe.
Yanick Paquette. Did a TV interview for X-Men: Civil War.

Marc Spector

07-27-2006, 12:06 PM

Uh.... who's Hal Foster?

Foster drew the Tarzan sunday page for the newspaper strip in the 1930's. Full newspaper comic page in color, it was hugely popular, and influential on the kids and young men who went on to drew comics after that.

Foster went on to create and draw Prince Valiant, which again influenced many creators, especially those in the sword-and-sorcery field.

So while he didn't draw any comic BOOKS, his art and storytelling on those pages really kicked things off for heroic storytelling in comics.

Prince Valiant has more finished and detailed artwork, but I like the earlier Tarzan art for it's action and freshness.

Thought I'd throw Foster's name in here, as he's the guy that many creators from the 1930's til maybe the '80's worshipped.

Darrell D.

07-27-2006, 03:45 PM

Will Eisner, and that's it.

The reason I believe Stan Lee is more influential than Kirby (who's still in the Top Ten if not Top Three) is because Jack Kirby did not draw (aside from a few guest-starr appearances) Stan lee's best character: Spider-Man. Stan Lee did some fantastic work with Steve Ditko, John Romita Sr, John Buscema, and others. And the thing which made Marvel Comics most unique was not Kirby's fantastic art/ sense of action, but the voice Stan Lee gave to the characters.

Except for the fact that Buscema, Romita, Heck and pretty much the bulk of the Marvel Bullpen (not counting Ditko) were handed Kirby comics to go by in drawing the books. Heck, Kirby himself was doing the breakdowns for half the line at one point. Don't get me wrong; I think Stan Lee was important to Marvel. But anyone who thinks that Marvel would even exist without The King is very much deluded. What would they have? Spider-man. And that is questionable, since it was the FF that started it all. Don't take my word for it. Google the people who know, such as Mark Evanier, Frank Miller, John Romita and John Buscema.
And, sorry, but Kirby's sense of action and storytelling was a huge part of the whole Marvel appeal.

Dustin

08-04-2006, 08:01 AM

What is Stan Lee's latest comic? Anyone know?
What I meant by that is, What is his latest made comic?

Citizen V

08-04-2006, 07:34 PM

I would have to say no...sad to say.He is perhaps the greatest writer Marvel has,or will ever see.But he is not the only important person,Jack Kirby is equally important for his work also...

Cosmic Book Fan

08-04-2006, 09:24 PM

If important can mean negative/damaging, then Rob Liefeld wins hands down.

The fact that his awful (but popular at the time) style, not only created imitators who have yet to be purged from the industry, but mostly because that fool thought that somehow he only needed popular art to launch a whole line of comic books. I always thought it was appropriate that he chose the name Image, since there was no subtance involved. But the ripples it sent through the industry were disastrous. All the popular artists of the time pretty much jumped on his bandwagon, leaving the big 2 struggling artisticly. And then to make matters worse, Holograms, Die-Cuts, Foil-Stamps, stupid, pointless (albiet, sometimes very pretty) gimmicky covers that needlessly bumped up the price of books and helped to feed the speculation market of people who were buying books and never opening them. It may have helped the industry in the short-term, but I think it created an artificial high which lead to a catastrophic crash in the industry. Image had art quality with no stories, Marvel and (I presume) DC had good stories to tell, but the art was lacking, nobody was really happy the market was splintered and I think lots of people just said 'the-heck-with-it' and quit during that dark, dark period.

Anyways, I've been looking for an outlet for this rant for years, hope you like it.

Magneto_X

08-04-2006, 10:14 PM

I don't think anyone's ever written a better Red Skull story than Stan Lee.

How about Marc Gruenwald? He wrotre an awesome Red Skull. See the issue where RS is buried in a bunker via Magneto with only himself for company.

It's brilliant.

Magneto_X

08-04-2006, 10:16 PM

Who created him then?:confused:

David Michillinie and Todd MacFarlane.

StoneGold

08-04-2006, 10:35 PM

What I meant by that is, What is his latest made comic?
I'm pretty sure the last thing he did was the Spider-Man movie adaptation. Which was more of a scripting job than anything else.

Mister Mets

08-04-2006, 11:02 PM

Except for the fact that Buscema, Romita, Heck and pretty much the bulk of the Marvel Bullpen (not counting Ditko) were handed Kirby comics to go by in drawing the books. Heck, Kirby himself was doing the breakdowns for half the line at one point. Don't get me wrong; I think Stan Lee was important to Marvel. But anyone who thinks that Marvel would even exist without The King is very much deluded. What would they have? Spider-man. And that is questionable, since it was the FF that started it all. Don't take my word for it. Google the people who know, such as Mark Evanier, Frank Miller, John Romita and John Buscema.
And, sorry, but Kirby's sense of action and storytelling was a huge part of the whole Marvel appeal.

1. Frank Miller, and Mark Evanier weren't around at the time, which makes their testimony a little suspect.

I'm not sure if Marvel would exist without Kirby. I'm pretty damn sure it wouldn't exist without Stan Lee. Lee was important in establishing the fan community, convincing new readers that comics aren't just for kids, and providing unique voices to the characters, something which was a bit revolutionary in comics at the time. Without Lee, I doubt most of the characters Kirby cocreated (including Captain America- who Stan lee had no role in creating) would be as interesting. Without Kirby, Stan Lee would still have Doctor Strange, and Spider-Man, probably the best character in comic books.

How about Marc Gruenwald? He wrotre an awesome Red Skull. See the issue where RS is buried in a bunker via Magneto with only himself for company.

It's brilliant.

which issue is that? I'll have to look it up.

Uh.... who's Hal Foster?

And let me put it this way, when was the last time anybody besides maybe Quesada has made a television appearance for Marvel?

Hal Foster had an acclaimed run of the comic strip Prince Valiant.