Is Dead Dead? (SPOILERS)

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Okay, so in the past two weeks Super-Skrull and Quasar have both gone to the big comic book shop in the sky.

But this is Marvel, so . . . how do you bring 'em back?

For Quasar, my thought was that he's not dead, just trapped in the Cosmic Control Rod. Silver Nimbus suggested that it wasn't really Quasar, but a Q-Construct and alternatively suggested that a cosmic entity could bring him back no problem.

Anyone else? Theories, retcons, workarounds?

[Elegance Liberty]

I really hope they don't bring Kl'rt back, even though I really grew to like him with 'Annihilation: Super Skrull'. Unlike Quasar's "death", Kl'rt's actually had some purpose and emotion to it. So I'd rather they just have a successor or something take over the role of 'Super Skrull' and not undo/destroy all the stuff Javi did so well.

As for Quasar, well, I've found that if a character has died multiple times, chances are they'll be back in one form or another sometime later. And honestly? I doubt Quasar bit the dust that easily, so I'm going to keep an eye out for future solicits to see if they have any clues or hints.

[Lightbend]

Andy's the type who pays attention to continuity. Quasar's come back from the dead from far worse scenarios, including a) being destroyed by maelstrom and b) being hit by the Ultimate Nullifier. This is going to end with Quasar probably being the one to kill Annhilus. Possibly by bursting out of his chest.

[Elegance Liberty]

Andy's the type who pays attention to continuity. Quasar's come back from the dead from far worse scenarios, including a) being destroyed by maelstrom and b) being hit by the Ultimate Nullifier. This is going to end with Quasar probably being the one to kill Annhilus. Possibly by bursting out of his chest.
I'm almost tempted to make a 'Spaceballs' joke for that last sentence, but... I'll leave that up to somebody else. =D;;;

No, seriously, that would be pretty wickedly cool indeed.

[drwho]

They could both be brought back. I dont know if yall are aware of this but in the past wasnt super skrull atomized and his particles were floating around the earth's atmosphere and he was somehow brought back together. On that note you all will be honored with a many faces of sleepwalker tribute

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[Silver Nimbus]

Andy's the type who pays attention to continuity. Quasar's come back from the dead from far worse scenarios, including a) being destroyed by maelstrom and b) being hit by the Ultimate Nullifier. This is going to end with Quasar probably being the one to kill Annhilus. Possibly by bursting out of his chest.

One could only hope. It's actually part of my 4th theory of how Quasar returns (3rd being Starbrand resurrection). Wendell Vaughn, having mastered the ability to shape and flow with powers that would otherwise annihilate him (the whole principle of how you use the Q-Bands) maintains his integrity inside the Cosmic Control Rod and usurps it from Annihilus from the inside.

Having lost the Quantum Bands in the process, he now uses the Cosmic Control Rod as Marvel's version of Starman instead of Marvel's version of Green Lantern.


The 5th theory of Quasar's return involves him still being the universal aspect of Anomaly, as per Cosmos In Collision. As such, as a Cosmic entity, albeit it minor, in his own right, the Quasar who died was a Dimension of Manifestations representative, not the genuine article.


The 6th theory is the same as the 5th except Quasar does it fact die, but remains Anomaly. His continuing to act after his own demise? That's just anomalous. :evilsmile

[Mysterio's Helmet]

Or B.) He's the freakin' Avatar for Infinity "itself".

Man, did Gruenwald make sure Wendell could get out of anything or what?

Or C.) An Epoch theory? I don't have it yet but I'll think on it.....

[BeastieRunner]

I would prefer both to be dead and to stay dead.

[Ravenheart]

I wasn't planning on getting it but I enjoyed the Nova mini series so much,I think I'm gonna have to read the Annihilation mini series and hope that Quasar comes back in some way.

[The Deadpool]

Andy's the type who pays attention to continuity. Quasar's come back from the dead from far worse scenarios, including a) being destroyed by maelstrom and b) being hit by the Ultimate Nullifier. This is going to end with Quasar probably being the one to kill Annhilus. Possibly by bursting out of his chest.

He also said that he thinks dead really means dead. But he's not nescessarily trustworthy in matters of future storylines... He's shown himself willing to lie to protect future storylines. Take that as you will.

That said, Kl'rt could have easily survived that explosion with little to no explanation (Someone with Sue and Johnny's powers surviving an explosion? That's kinda expected), and if this were not a Nova story, I'd expect him to come back at the Nth hour so help save the day. The twenty years later scene shows only people praising a hero, not nescesseraly a dead one.

Quasar may be a little more complicated, but destroy the cosmic rod could release his essence, and the Quantum Bands are powerful enough and wonky enough to warrant the reconstitution of his body.

Personally, I'd rather they both stay dead. I like when death MEANS something. This is war. People die in wars. Even people we like.

[Jmacq1]

I'm pretty sure Wendell's gone for good this time. Joey Q was commenting a few months back that he didn't think Quasar was a character that could work unless you put someone new in the costume. Basically made Wendell out to be a complete loser in the process (along the lines of "He didn't have the stomach for real SHIELD work so they made him the janitor!")

But anyway, I expect someone else will be Quasar by the end of Annihilation.

And Super-Skrull's survived some pretty "certain deaths" before, too. But I also suspect the next "Super Skrull" we see will be a new one.

[Quasar's Bands]

I hope you are wrong. However, if you are right, I suppose it's better for me - that's less comics I have to spend money on in the future and more money for my wife and kids! :)

[brainfloat]

There is only one guy in the Marvel Universe that kills guys dead and they stay dead. And that guy is Scourge.

This is the way I see it: The guys Scourge killed never had thier own series or mini series. I think it is possible to kill a character who had a mini-series, but very hard, because the company has invested money in a trademark/copyright for that character. If the character had an ongoing monthly at one time, they become proven asset of the company's intellectual property and they will never die.

And once Annihilus figures that out he won't need the cosmic control rod to ensure his immortality :D

The one exception is a charcter who dies and starts a legacy of heroes who take on the name of the dead character. But even guys in legacies like Hal Jordan of the Green Lanterns can withstand that death.

... so I'm confident Quasar will come back, but now I want to see Annihilus suffer!:evilsmile

[FanboyStranger]

Super Skrull is easy. He's been dispersed to energy and reconstituted before, so I suspect in some future FF run, cryptic warnings of a threat emerging from the Negative Zone will arise, and while we're all expecting Annihilus or Blaastar, it will turn out to be K'Lrt.

Quasar has the cosmic mojo, the link to Epoch, and the White Room, so I would be surprised if they couldn't "Soul-World" him back at some point, perhaps during Annihilation itself.

[nova64]

I wonder if Quasar got transported to the Negative Zone? The new possessor of the Quantum Bands at the end of Annihilation (Cammi?) would have a Captain Marvel/Rick Jones style relationship. She seems to be a good kid who needs the guidance of a good hero.

Doug

[Will.S]

I wonder if Quasar got transported to the Negative Zone? The new possessor of the Quantum Bands at the end of Annihilation (Cammi?) would have a Captain Marvel/Rick Jones style relationship. She seems to be a good kid who needs the guidance of a good hero. I don't know if I'd want Cammi to take that role because for one she's too young and I don't have a big desire to see a female version of Quasar running around.

[Mysterio's Helmet]

As posted somewhere else with the same sentiment....

The Quantum Bands would use her up like an old shoe. She'd be disintegrated because she couldn't control them. Takes a specific personality type and she ain't it.

[drwho]

I dont know where all these ideas to give Cammi quantum bands are comng from . These things are powerful weapons and you dont hand them out to 12 year old girls. Wouldnt mind seeing Drax with them. On that note I think it would be funny to see Layla Miller and Cammi duke it out.

[brainfloat]

I dont know where all these ideas to give Cammi quantum bands are comng from

Nova #2, Cami talked to Nova about how she thought it would be cool to get some powers.

On to a different subject:

The Quantum Bands would use her up like an old shoe. She'd be disintegrated because she couldn't control them. Takes a specific personality type and she ain't it.

Eureka! I like Quasar's personality, but I forgot how important it was to his powers. You see, I had a suspicion that Annihilus may use the quantum bands for himself ... but they'd kill him even faster than Cammi. And on that train of thought I can't think of anyone in this series who could use the quantum bands ...

[The Deadpool]

Cammi could learn... Nescessity is a HELL of a teacher.

Still, I'd rather not...

[CyberCoyote]

So what was/is it about Quas' personality that allows him to control them?

I'd forgotten that the cosmic control rod supposedly can't effect living matter, but..wasn't it used to help save Sue and Franklin when he was born from the radiations generated? I guess it could be deducted that you can't control biological matter, but if you control a crap load of non-organic energies and force them to go through organic stuff you can still kill it.

I know I'm gonna be digging up all those old issues of Quasar from the basement this weekend to try and figure a way out for him (but..the art. I do remember the art, or lack there of. ::shudders:: )

Cammi no. Kl'rt?!? Now we're talking :) Much as I love the concept of a villain that mimics the FF, he's always struck me as being just as silly as he is awesome. But what if 2 deaths were to equal one ressurection? Kl'rt's powers keep him alive, but on the edge of non-existence after his sacrifice. Towards the end of the series Wen's trying to break free of the CCR but his body's been destroyed so he merges with the nearly shattered body of Kl'rt and they become a unique third being. A merger of the often wishy-washy Wendell and the ultra-warrior Super Skrull with the Quantum Power. This way the vision from the future celebrating the herooic death of the SS still works, too.

Then we'd have a Quasar (maybe a new name) who'd be guided by Wendell's strong code of ethics but kick butt with Skrullsies damned near 'Destroyer' attitude.

[Silver Nimbus]

So what was/is it about Quas' personality that allows him to control them?

I'd forgotten that the cosmic control rod supposedly can't effect living matter, but..wasn't it used to help save Sue and Franklin when he was born from the radiations generated? I guess it could be deducted that you can't control biological matter, but if you control a crap load of non-organic energies and force them to go through organic stuff you can still kill it.


1) The ability to relax in the face of the infinite/self-destruction. You panic, you die. You fight it, you die. You push instead of guide, you die. You listen to the Drax school of problem management, you die. :evilsmile

2) The CCR was used to siphon off the excess radiation complicating Franklin's gestation/delivery. This is why I'm sticking with the "Quasar was actually a Q-construct" theory - othewise it flies in the face of every previous portrayal of the CCR.

[The Deadpool]

Well, we KNOW it's gotten a power boost... Annihilus wasn't THIS powerful before.

And we don't see Quasar's BODY get absorbed. Annihilus absorbs the energy. We SEE energy tendrils bursting through Quasar's body as his face cracks and disappears...

[Herald of Asgard]

I loved everything about the Super-Skrull mini, and if they were to go back and totally toss that story out the window....well, I wouldn't be suprised, but I would be appaled.

Now, as for Quasar, I havn't read Nova #4 yet, so I'll wait to form my opinion on that as it comes.

[Castaway]

It would be good to see the original Super Skrull stay deceased, as this past miniseries and his Young Avengers appearances have set him up well as a universe-weary warrior who is to be respected, not some 6th rate character... if you think about it, he's been around almost as long as the FF... it's good to see the character receive some "love"... many of the characterization in Annhilation SCREAM for some sort of Marvel galactic ongoing...

[static]

there is a new superskrull in runaways right now....Gavin....he could easily replace the departed one ...

[Will.S]

there is a new superskrull in runaways right now....Gavin....he could easily replace the departed one ...Xavin, and yeah he's got alot of potential.

[K Von Doom]

Either bring Quasar back or appoint a new Protector of the Universe from another planet. Not Cammy. It's for the universe dammit. What are the chances that two Protectors in a row are gonna come from Earth. Not to mention, Marvell already spent an inordinate amount of time on Earth for someone who protects the whole universe.

[Captain Exaggeration]

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Okay, so in the past two weeks Super-Skrull and Quasar have both gone to the big comic book shop in the sky.

But this is Marvel, so . . . how do you bring 'em back?

For Quasar, my thought was that he's not dead, just trapped in the Cosmic Control Rod. Silver Nimbus suggested that it wasn't really Quasar, but a Q-Construct and alternatively suggested that a cosmic entity could bring him back no problem.

Anyone else? Theories, retcons, workarounds?
He may even be trapped in the quantum bands.

[BooCoo]

He may even be trapped in the quantum bands.


Why would Silver Nimbus know anything about what the cosmic entities would do? :confused: (I'm not hip to the character).

[Silver Nimbus]

Why would Silver Nimbus know anything about what the cosmic entities would do? :confused: (I'm not hip to the character).

No, I'm Silver Nimbus - and I approved this message.

Expletive Deleted is/was referencing my previously stated speculations on how Wendell might yet live and/or the Cosmics intervene.

I have a lot of background in this space as a longtime Marvel reader in the Cosmic arena, and as previously noted, I like to speculate. A lot. Andy tends to humor me in this regard, occassionally stepping in to give me credit when my idle speculations approach the mark. Of course, he could always be lying.

So, feel absolutely free to disregard everything I'm saying. It's highly educated guesswork, but I'll be the first to admit it's guesswork nonetheless. I have no inside track whatosever. :cool:

[BooCoo]

;) No, I'm Silver Nimbus - and I approved this message.

Expletive Deleted is/was referencing my previously stated speculations on how Wendell might yet live and/or the Cosmics intervene.

I have a lot of background in this space as a longtime Marvel reader in the Cosmic arena, and as previously noted, I like to speculate. A lot. Andy tends to humor me in this regard, occassionally stepping in to give me credit when my idle speculations approach the mark. Of course, he could always be lying.

So, feel absolutely free to disregard everything I'm saying. It's highly educated guesswork, but I'll be the first to admit it's guesswork nonetheless. I have no inside track whatosever. :cool:

LOL, I was thumbing through threads and thought "Silver Nimbus" was a marvel cosmic character I'd missed! I like to speculate too, and have some definite ideas as to what direction to take ol' Quaz-o in. But that would be telling. ;)

[BeastieRunner]

So we have (so far)

Super Skrull . . . dead.

Pretty much all Skrulls . . . dead.

Tana Nile . . . dead (but was that her healing Firelord in A#1?).

Quasar . . . dead.

Silver Surfer . . . dead?? Maybe, maybe not

Galactus . . . dead?? Maybe, maybe not

Who all is left!?

[drwho]

Silver Surfer and Galactus are not dead and we all know better than that. One observation I do have is why do the skrulls seem to always get the brunt of these catastropes. In uncanny Galactus eats thier homeworld and now in Annihilation more Skrull planet destruction.

[BeastieRunner]

I thought as much but what if they (Surfer, Galactus) did die in the wave of destruction?

[marshal99]

So we have (so far)

Super Skrull . . . dead.

Pretty much all Skrulls . . . dead.

Tana Nile . . . dead (but was that her healing Firelord in A#1?).

Quasar . . . dead.

Silver Surfer . . . dead?? Maybe, maybe not

Galactus . . . dead?? Maybe, maybe not

Who all is left!?

Nah , one skrull made it to the DCU and disguised himself as the new martian manhunter. ;)

[BeastieRunner]

Nah , one skrull made it to the DCU and disguised himself as the new martian manhunter. ;)

People really don't like the new Martian Manhunter, do they?

[Raker Q.]

Silver Surfer and Galactus are not dead and we all know better than that. One observation I do have is why do the skrulls seem to always get the brunt of these catastropes. In uncanny Galactus eats thier homeworld and now in Annihilation more Skrull planet destruction.
yeah...happens all the time...I wouldn't worry though....they will be back in numbers....just like the Kree...look at Galactic Storm....their numbers were greatly reduced and what Kree were left were mutated.....but that all got swept under the rug and forgotten about....now they are everywhere and back to their normal selves like it never happened.......oh and don't get me started on the whole Ruul thing either.........yikes..... :p

[Guts/Batman]

People really don't like the new Martian Manhunter, do they?

I don't...

Therefore I didn't get that issue.