Green Arrow to Guest Star On Smallville [Archive]

Alcoholic

07-19-2006, 07:49 AM

Look for Clark Kent to have plenty of super-hero company for the sixth season of The CW's Smallville.

Smallville executive producer Al Gough told The Continuum that Green Arrow will appear in several episodes this season.

"We are extremely psyched to introduce Oliver Queen on the show," Gough said. "The Green Arrow is one of the seminal figures in the DC Comics Universe. It will be exciting to explore this character over an arc of episodes rather than just one-and-out. "

Green Arrow will be played by Justin Hartley, who starred in the Aquaman pilot that The CW passed on. The character will be recruiting heroes and might serve as a potential love interest for Lois Lane.

Green Arrow won't be the only DC guest-star, Gough told The Continuum.

"Also, expect to see the return of Flash and Cyborg in the near future," he said.

Green Arrow's appearance on Smallville follows a similar announcement last week of Aaron Ashmore playing Jimmy Olsen.

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0607/18/index.htm

Astonishing X-Fan

07-19-2006, 09:16 AM

That sounds pretty cool, actually. Nice to see Ollie get some mainstream respect.

Steve Brady

07-19-2006, 10:59 AM

As long as it's like the Cyborg and Flash episodes, and not like the Aquaman episode (or almost every other episode, for that matter).

Ontir

07-19-2006, 11:31 AM

I'd like to see Ollie as soemone Lex knows, from one of MANY boarding schools he attended, but unlike Lex, Ollie is uncomfortable with his wealth.

It'll be interesting to see Aaron Ashmore here. The only thing I've seen him in, is that gawdawful Canadian After-School Special Prom King, about the gay kid's prom fight.

xionice

07-19-2006, 11:35 AM

If only they could get Bats on their too:(

Hellstormer

07-19-2006, 11:46 AM

Yeah more heroes, I wanna see a young Hal Jordan show up and maybe Orion.

David Atkins

07-19-2006, 12:03 PM

I wanna see the show get cancelled with all footage locked away in a vault where it will never again see the light of day...

Okay, seriously, I don't hate it that much. I do, however, strongly dislike it because of things like this; Lex Luthor and Clark do NOT need a common history. Neither do Oliver Queen and Clark, the Flash and Clark, etc, etc, etc, etc.

If Bruce Wayne appears and I happen to be flipping through the channels and see it, I'll have to buy a new TV because my remote is going to be embedded on the wall behind it...

Damo

07-19-2006, 01:06 PM

Lex and Clark need a shared history, yah boo to Byrne. It was correct before Crisis, Byrne screwed up. *Shrugs.* Eh, well, that's my opinion at least. I love that dynamic, it works too well in my eyes. The one thing I felt wasn't done right OYL was that there was very little acknowledgement that Clark had once considered Lex a friend.

Ah but Ollie... provided this is the true Ollie and not the Grell abomination, I am psyched.

David Atkins

07-19-2006, 01:13 PM

No, Lex needs his OWN history, his OWN origins. Giving him a common history with Clark is nothing more than laziness on the part of the writers.

shaunyc56

07-19-2006, 01:16 PM

No, Lex needs his OWN history, his OWN origins. Giving him a common history with Clark is nothing more than laziness on the part of the writers.

I'm not a big fan of Superboy's Creek. However the Cyborg (jett jackson Bitches) and Flash episodes were cool. I only like the idea of Supes and Lex sharing a history if Lex gets to "have" Lana and Lois first. Not for any real character development reason, I just like to see Supes put through the wringer.

The Rusty Lantern

07-19-2006, 01:16 PM

Very early on in the Smallville run, it was rumored that Bruce Wayne would appear as a friend of Lex's (young, rich, powerful men running in similar circles and all that). Perhaps Ollie will fill the role that once been rumored for Bruce?

David Atkins

07-19-2006, 01:24 PM

I only like the idea of Supes and Lex sharing a history if Lex gets to "have" Lana and Lois first.

I don't like Lois having any pre-Metropolis association with Superman either. As with Lex, giving her that common history with Clark creates needless clutter that actually takes away from the overall story.

And, to give Lex a common history with Green Arrow on top of an already unnecessary common history with Superman is just ridiculous.

Mon-el

07-19-2006, 01:34 PM

Hellstormer

07-19-2006, 03:57 PM

Mon-el

07-19-2006, 04:22 PM

The only episode I watched last season was the Cyborg one and the one where Lois was an exotic dancer ;)

Was that a good episode?

I didn't even watch the Aquaman episode. Actually I gave up halfway thru Season 4. I own Season 4 on dvd for months now and I still haven't really wanted to watch the rest of the episodes that I missed.

Question for anyone that followed Season 5. Were most of the episodes good or just the same like Season 4? I'm kinda interested in what people think about it.

Steve Brady

07-19-2006, 04:57 PM

The Cyborg episode was one of the best ever, particularly due to the fact that the guest actor could, you know, act.

The stripping episode? Not so much.

saintsaucey

07-19-2006, 05:31 PM

I liked the Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg episodes I can't wait till Ollie shows up

Lex and Clark were child hood friends you numscull. Lex became jealous of superboy and eventually blamed him for the loss of his hair. Stopp bitching about it. Think of this as Ultimate Superboy.

Hellstormer

07-19-2006, 05:47 PM

The Cyborg episode was one of the best ever, particularly due to the fact that the guest actor could, you know, act.

The stripping episode? Not so much.
There was an episode attached to it:eek:

DoubleShot

07-19-2006, 06:22 PM

I haven't faithfully watched the show since season 4. I watched 2 episodes of Season 5(Vampire Lana, and Pa Kent time travel episode), but Queen's name was in the pilot episode from the first season. When Lionel Luthor was reading the newpaper(Lex was a kid) in the helicopter Oliver's name appears on the newspaper "Queen Industries CEO missing Presumed Dead".

Speaking of newspaper headlines in Smallville. Anyone remember the Wonder Woman headline? Said something like "Amazon Delegate".

I agree with those that think that Lois shouldn't be in the show. Since she is I'd be nice if they started having her show some interest in being a journalist though. Right now she's just annoying. If you think about it she's one of the most manly characters on the show.

Kid Quick Foots

07-19-2006, 07:27 PM

Hellstormer

07-19-2006, 08:41 PM

Kid Quick Foots

07-19-2006, 09:18 PM

Impressive rant ;)

LOL, i try:D

chriskenny

07-19-2006, 09:21 PM

The show is sound in its premise, and I only hear how good it is. I don't watch it. It just bothers me that Clark and Lois hang out all the time. There first meeting should be in the Daily Planet offices. And he has met Perry White, Flash, Aquaman, and others bothers me. Now he is meeting Green Arrow and Jimmy Olsen. He has already fought Brainiac... It is like they are blowing their load too prematurely.

Having said all that, I think Clark and Lex knowing each other is pretty cool. It is like one of those classic American stories about two Americans--one brought up on a rural farm and the other brought up as a wealthy industrialist-- who become friends but the contradicitions and uneasiness will inevitable make them foes. There is more pathos in their struggle, there is more meaning. And it just seems so epic... that the seeds of their struggle dated back to their formative years. I like that Waid put their Smallville association back. Makes the saga richer, in my mind.

David Atkins

07-19-2006, 09:39 PM

And it just seems so epic... that the seeds of their struggle dated back to their formative years.

Also, it makes it seem more done-to-death-because-the-writers-haven't-had-an-original-idea-since-Caine-&-Abel.

Damo

07-19-2006, 10:46 PM

And having two strangers hate each other is so original its never been done? Please. They were friends, then something happened to make them enemies. The originality comes in how that's done. Just like how, by having them be two strangers, the originality would be in what makes them hate one another.

Sean Whitmore

07-19-2006, 10:52 PM

Question for anyone that followed Season 5. Were most of the episodes good or just the same like Season 4? I'm kinda interested in what people think about it.

For my money, season five had the best ratio of good episodes to crap episodes. I mean, don't get me wrong, the crap episodes were just as crap as every other season. But the good episodes were very good.

They were friends, then something happened to make them enemies. The originality comes in how that's done.

Yes, like Superboy blowing Lex's hair off and Lex becoming psychotically obsessed with killing him for the rest of his life. ;)

SEAN

saintsaucey

07-20-2006, 02:41 AM

There was an old collection of superman comics. The black and white newspaper comics where Clark and Lois met as teens in metropolis granted in this he met her in smallville, but he did meet Cyborg, and Flash in Metropolis but they followed him home.

Jimmy has already been mentioned in the series. He was Chloe's first.

I still think this series is awsome. Yeah some of the villians are bad but it reminds me of Ultimate Spider-man. This is how they should do the allstar books re-write all the episodes as comic books and spin everything out of this series. :)

doomworm

07-20-2006, 02:51 AM

I really enjoy Smallville, myself. I have probably only seen about half of them, in various doses, but it's a fun little soapish romp.

I'm slowly working through the first three seasons on dvd, but at a pretty casual rate. I'll probably end up getting them all, eventually. The Flash ep was very fun, though I haven't seen the Aquaman or Cyborg eps yet.

It hasn't bothered me when they introduce characters who shouldn't "really" be there. Heck, most of the horrible kryptonite mutants of the earlier season were basically stand-in's for minor villians (or even Marvel characters!) It's kinda just the classic Superman universe of characters, stuck out in the boonies.

The Perry White episode is still one of my favorites. They did a great job with him. Lois has been fun, and her dad was a riot. Characterization-wise, they've stayed more or less true to the characters.

Incidentally, Bruce Wayne WAS (kinda-sorta) in the series at one point. There was a kid who called himself Adam (I assume because of Adam West) who had a very mysterious background, and was traveling the world. Lana found him traveling through Europe between seasons, they had a summer fling, and he came to Smallville with her when she returned.

He really did seem like a emotionally-subverted, interesting Bruce Wayne, and his "mysterious" past and plans were skirted over, but continually mentioned. He dressed almost continually in black, and in his first appearance he ended up taking out some robbers (or something, I can't remember) using some impressive martial arts talents. He was actually very cool, and I was fully positive that eventually he would be revealed to be Bruce Wayne.

My understanding is that the writers actually DID intend for this to happen, but do to licencing difficulties involving animated stuff and Batman Begins, it was not legally plausible. Therefore he ended up being kinda forced into a weird villainy role eventually, and all of his character development was shuffled away. Looking back at the way Adam arrived and developed initially, I'm still fairy sure that was the original intention of the character.

Rich L

07-20-2006, 05:34 AM

Incidentally, Bruce Wayne WAS (kinda-sorta) in the series at one point. There was a kid who called himself Adam (I assume because of Adam West) who had a very mysterious background, and was traveling the world. Lana found him traveling through Europe between seasons, they had a summer fling, and he came to Smallville with her when she returned.

He really did seem like a emotionally-subverted, interesting Bruce Wayne, and his "mysterious" past and plans were skirted over, but continually mentioned. He dressed almost continually in black, and in his first appearance he ended up taking out some robbers (or something, I can't remember) using some impressive martial arts talents. He was actually very cool, and I was fully positive that eventually he would be revealed to be Bruce Wayne.

My understanding is that the writers actually DID intend for this to happen, but do to licencing difficulties involving animated stuff and Batman Begins, it was not legally plausible. Therefore he ended up being kinda forced into a weird villainy role eventually, and all of his character development was shuffled away. Looking back at the way Adam arrived and developed initially, I'm still fairy sure that was the original intention of the character.

I hate that I know this, but it sounds like you're getting mixed up between Adam (Lost's Ian Somerhalder) and Jason (Supernatural's Jensen Ackles).

Lana met Adam in physical therapy in Smallville, and it was kinda hinted because of the name (as in West) that he might be Bruce Wayne incognito, although he later ended up being revealed as one of Lionel's experiments trying to infiltrate the Smallville 'gang' (like he'd bother).

The guy that Lana met while she was in France was Jason, who was originally a decent guy but eventually got twisted into a bad guy as otherwise Clark couldn't compete for Lana's affections without coming off as a tool (or that's how it felt to me). Ackles was a regular on the show for Season Four but was killed off in the finale - which was lucky as a) the character had nowhere to go and b) Ackles got to go on to the excellent Supernatural.

chriskenny

07-20-2006, 09:04 AM

Also, it makes it seem more done-to-death-because-the-writers-haven't-had-an-original-idea-since-Caine-&-Abel.

You make it sound like this is an innovation made by the producers of Smallville. This is an incarnation of Superman history. It isn't like they just made it up. There i some precedence for it. They are essentially chronicling Superboy adventures sans the costume. If you look at Superboy comics, Lex and Clark were friends that soured.

And it is only similar to Caine and Abel if you exclude the fact that it doesn't chronicle the first murder since neither one is killed and they aren't brothers. For you to say that two friends who grow apart and become enemies is ripping off the Book of Genesis is a pretty big stretch.

Grizsly

07-20-2006, 09:51 AM

ok, this is just getting ridiculous now, i was cool with the whole him and lex knowing each other from back in the day, but then they bring in lois? perry white? flash? aquaman? cyborg? and now green arrow? WTF, smallville must be the friggin' nexus of the universe or something, i mean will he actually get to meet people OUTSIDE of smallville? or are the writers just going to shove everyone in the dc universe onto their little smallville island? eather come up with some new ideas or move him out of smallville and change the name to metropolis already.... rant over.

Ah, quit yer bitchin' already.

They've already set SEVERAL episodes outside of Smallville - Metropolis has been in there quite a bit, they travelled to the north for Supe's fortress, they even went to China!

This series will never end up as a full blown Superman show, so think of it more as an Elseworlds' Superboy saga. The fact that they are drawing from all over the DC canon is a good thing. The Flash, Cyborg, even Aquaman eps were pretty cool, especially since it offered more "superpowers" than just after-effects of the meteor crashes, which was getting hokey.

They've definatley made a successful graduation from the high school/wall of weird years, moving on now into expanding the character base. Lois is a great character, Perry White was a cool episode, and even the whole Daily Planet has been a great way to show the background of the city.

Further, the appearance of the Kryptonians/Zod/Brainiac added a WHOLE new dimension to Clark's character, forcing him to deal with some hard ass choices. I'm curious to see how things shake out from him being pushed into the Phantom Zone at the end of last season.

And I also want me some Bruce Wayne/Batman!!!! I think his absence from the series probably has something to do with the fucking AWFUL Bat-Embargo that also affected the JLU series.

All in all, Smallville has continued to rock. I'm looking foward tro Green Arrow!

Mon-el

07-20-2006, 10:11 AM

Speaking of newspaper headlines in Smallville. Anyone remember the Wonder Woman headline? Said something like "Amazon Delegate".

I remember the newpaper, but not the episode. She was supposed to speak in front of the U.N. I believe Lex was crazy at that point.

I agree with those that think that Lois shouldn't be in the show. Since she is I'd be nice if they started having her show some interest in being a journalist though. Right now she's just annoying. If you think about it she's one of the most manly characters on the show.

Lois was one of the reasons that I kinda stopped watching.

For my money, season five had the best ratio of good episodes to crap episodes. I mean, don't get me wrong, the crap episodes were just as crap as every other season. But the good episodes were very good.

Thanks, Sean.

That was exactly the answer I was looking for. I'm now kinda somewhat intrigued by Cyborg and Aquaman episodes, considering I really enjoyed the Bart's Episode. After reading the last post I can see I missed out on a lot with Brainiac and Zod.

David Atkins

07-20-2006, 10:26 AM

For you to say that two friends who grow apart and become enemies is ripping off the Book of Genesis is a pretty big stretch.

Hardly. The story has been revisited in every possibly incarnation throughout history. Whether they're brothers, sisters, brother and sister, friends, lovers, or jut kids that played together in preschool, and whether there was a murder, a girl for them to fight over, a parent who died, or a favorite toy that was broken, it amounts to nothing more than the writers being lazy and revisiting the same concept that has worked so many times in the past.

And let's not forget the REAL reason Lex Luthor is on Smallville, which has nothing to do with the Superboy comic books. He is there because he is a villain and his name is well known and associated with SuperMAN, and therefore those lazy writers (not only was it laziness, but you can add stupidity and cowardice to the mix as well) decided, 'Hey! It's a YOUNG Superman, let's give him a YOUNG Lex Luthor!'

The EXACT same statement holds true for whomever it was ORIGINALLY introduced a common origin between the two of them in the comic books.

Worst of all, aside from the needless clutter this kind of thing introduces to the storyline, it turns Lex Luthor, one of the more capable villains in the comic book industry, into nothing but a hanger-on whose entire existance is entirely dependant on Superman's. The character ceases to have any worth whatsoever outside of his very limited role as Superman's 'arch-nemesis.'

And they're not only doing it to Lex! Like Kid Quick Foot said, they're turning Smallville into the epicenter of the DC Universe. That's going to suck for any new fans the show brings in-- and they're out there, without a doubt-- because in the event that seeing the show leads them to get into the comics, or in the event that characters such as Green Arrow or the Flash acquire their own TV shows in the future, these new fans are going to be looking for common histories that date back to their formative years-- common histories which simply do not exist outside of the Smallville tv series, and shouldn't even exist within it.

In the end, it amounts to nothing more than sloppy, lazy writing, and transparent attempts to keep the numbers up by introducing familiar names and faces.

Grizsly

07-20-2006, 10:33 AM

Hardly. The story has been revisited in every possibly incarnation throughout history. Whether they're brothers, sisters, brother and sister, friends, lovers, or jut kids that played together in preschool, and whether there was a murder, a girl for them to fight over, a parent who died, or a favorite toy that was broken, it amounts to nothing more than the writers being lazy and revisiting the same concept that has worked so many times in the past.

And let's not forget the REAL reason Lex Luthor is on Smallville, which has nothing to do with the Superboy comic books. He is there because he is a villain and his name is well known and associated with SuperMAN, and therefore those lazy writers (not only was it laziness, but you can add stupidity and cowardice to the mix as well) decided, 'Hey! It's a YOUNG Superman, let's give him a YOUNG Lex Luthor!'

The EXACT same statement holds true for whomever it was ORIGINALLY introduced a common origin between the two of them in the comic books.

Worst of all, aside from the needless clutter this kind of thing introduces to the storyline, it turns Lex Luthor, one of the more capable villains in the comic book industry, into nothing but a hanger-on whose entire existance is entirely dependant on Superman's. The character ceases to have any worth whatsoever outside of his very limited role as Superman's 'arch-nemesis.'

And they're not only doing it to Lex! Like Kid Quick Foot said, they're turning Smallville into the epicenter of the DC Universe. That's going to suck for any new fans the show brings in-- and they're out there, without a doubt-- because in the event that seeing the show leads them to get into the comics, or in the event that characters such as Green Arrow or the Flash acquire their own TV shows in the future, these new fans are going to be looking for common histories that date back to their formative years-- common histories which simply do not exist outside of the Smallville tv series, and shouldn't even exist within it.

In the end, it amounts to nothing more than sloppy, lazy writing, and transparent attempts to keep the numbers up by introducing familiar names and faces.

Wow. You really don't get it.

What would a Superman show, ANY form of show, be without Lex Luthor? If they substitued some new character as a "archvillian" type, you'd probably be whining on how it's a Lex rip off. The fact that they had Clark and Lex as friends that have become enemies to me gave it a whole new dynamic.

Does it REALLY matter that this show doesn't follow EVERY little continuity from the ENTIRE decades old canon?

Jaysis, it was a goddamn WB show!!!! I was very skeptical when it started - seemed like a cheesy Dawson's Creek meets X-Files show vaguley resembling a young Superman. But as it went on and the characters developed, I found myself caring more and more for them, and the storylines got better and better.

Take it as what it is - an entertaining version of the Superman mythos - and stop whining like a little bitch.

Jeez.

David Atkins

07-20-2006, 10:59 AM

Wow. You really don't get it.

What would a Superman show, ANY form of show, be without Lex Luthor? If they substitued some new character as a "archvillian" type, you'd probably be whining on how it's a Lex rip off. The fact that they had Clark and Lex as friends that have become enemies to me gave it a whole new dynamic.

Does it REALLY matter that this show doesn't follow EVERY little continuity from the ENTIRE decades old canon?

Jaysis, it was a goddamn WB show!!!! I was very skeptical when it started - seemed like a cheesy Dawson's Creek meets X-Files show vaguley resembling a young Superman. But as it went on and the characters developed, I found myself caring more and more for them, and the storylines got better and better.

Take it as what it is - an entertaining version of the Superman mythos - and stop whining like a little bitch.

Jeez.

Notice, I neither claimed that the show should follow any particular continuity nor did I make any personal attack on any fan of the show; the closest I came to that were my comments regarding the idiocy, laziness, and probable greed of the writers.

Notice, also, that the fact that I dislike the show every bit as passionately as you like it does NOT, in any way, invalidate your feelings regarding the show, it's characters, or it's storylines. So you can stop feeling all insecure now, and you can quit throwing your little temper tantrums and tossing around lame-ass insults over a stupid frickin' television show.

Grizsly

07-20-2006, 11:12 AM

Bullshit. I've thrown no such tantrum.

All you've done in this thread is bash the show and writers. You've been nothing but a negative nancy, so I called you on it. That's all.

Kid Quick Foots

07-20-2006, 11:40 AM

Ah, quit yer bitchin' already.

They've already set SEVERAL episodes outside of Smallville - Metropolis has been in there quite a bit, they travelled to the north for Supe's fortress, they even went to China!

This series will never end up as a full blown Superman show, so think of it more as an Elseworlds' Superboy saga. The fact that they are drawing from all over the DC canon is a good thing. The Flash, Cyborg, even Aquaman eps were pretty cool, especially since it offered more "superpowers" than just after-effects of the meteor crashes, which was getting hokey.

They've definatley made a successful graduation from the high school/wall of weird years, moving on now into expanding the character base. Lois is a great character, Perry White was a cool episode, and even the whole Daily Planet has been a great way to show the background of the city.

Further, the appearance of the Kryptonians/Zod/Brainiac added a WHOLE new dimension to Clark's character, forcing him to deal with some hard ass choices. I'm curious to see how things shake out from him being pushed into the Phantom Zone at the end of last season.

And I also want me some Bruce Wayne/Batman!!!! I think his absence from the series probably has something to do with the fucking AWFUL Bat-Embargo that also affected the JLU series.

All in all, Smallville has continued to rock. I'm looking foward tro Green Arrow!

umm, excuse me, this IS a message board and i'll "bitch" all i want. fact is, i dont care how you slice it, call it "ultimate" superman, or "alternate reality" superman,WHATEVER, but im not going to put up with big character flaws and out of place character introductions just because it has superman in it, but thats just my opinion, if you like the show thats cool, but i have a few issues with it is all....thanks for the "constructive" criticism though.

Kid Quick Foots

07-20-2006, 11:41 AM

hey,how ya doing:-)

David Atkins

07-20-2006, 11:43 AM

All you've done in this thread is bash the show and writers.

And I'm wrong in doing so because... ?

Guess what! Telling one person to 'quit yer bitchin' already' and another person to 'quit whining like a little bitch' simply because they not only dislike a television show you enjoy but are willing and ready to say so... that pretty much equates a temper tantrum.

Kid Quick Foots

07-20-2006, 11:43 AM

Notice, I neither claimed that the show should follow any particular continuity nor did I make any personal attack on any fan of the show; the closest I came to that were my comments regarding the idiocy, laziness, and probable greed of the writers.

Notice, also, that the fact that I dislike the show every bit as passionately as you like it does NOT, in any way, invalidate your feelings regarding the show, it's characters, or it's storylines. So you can stop feeling all insecure now, and you can quit throwing your little temper tantrums and tossing around lame-ass insults over a stupid frickin' television show.

amen to that.

Grizsly

07-20-2006, 11:48 AM

And I'm wrong in doing so because... ?

Guess what! Telling one person to 'quit yer bitchin' already' and another person to 'quit whining like a little bitch' simply because they not only dislike a television show you enjoy but are willing and ready to say so... that pretty much equates a temper tantrum.

Stupid semantics aside, had I just lost it and cursed you both out without arguing any points, well, then, perhaps you could call that a tantrum. I used pretty goddamn valid piints to support my arguments, specifically addressing blatantly FALSE "flaws" you two baboons brought up, NOT simply bashing you because you didn't like the show in general. There's a BIG difference.

Either way, if you don't like the show, which you obviously don't, why the fuck even bother watching/posting about it?!?!? Just move on. . .it's obvioulsy not for you. Let those of us without the anal retentive story problems you have enjoy it.

David Atkins

07-20-2006, 12:01 PM

Ah, I see. Now we're 'baboons.'

Either way, if you don't like the show, which you obviously don't, why the fuck even bother watching/posting about it?!?!? Just move on. . .it's obvioulsy not for you. Let those of us without the anal retentive story problems you have enjoy it.

umm, excuse me, this IS a message board and i'll "bitch" all i want.

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Grizsly

07-20-2006, 12:06 PM

Good, so then I'll bitch about your retarted remarks all I want to as well then.

Damo

07-20-2006, 12:51 PM

*Claps hands.* HEY! Enough with the name calling and insults. As much as it might initially please me to see some people I disagree with get banned, the more personal attacks I see, the more I'm likely to slip and start making personal attacks myself. And I for one don't want to get banned.

Now then. The argument is, as I see it, that the "close friends/siblings end up enemies" story has been done to death. I would argue that, if that is the case, then the "total strangers end up enemies" story has been done to death too. What matters to me is the uniqueness of the characters' motivations. What I'm seeing in Smallville is that Lex is not a very good person, but that he's making an effort to be good. Ultimately he will turn into the Luthor we all know, presumably after what feels like a betrayal by Clark, the one "human being" (as far as Lex knows) that Lex really trusts and cares about. That seems like a fairly unique and interesting motivation to me. "I didn't really like people, and then the one time I completely opened up to someone he betrayed me. So screw everyone else." The post Crisis Byrne Superman's motivations for turning to the dark side always felt too abstract and impersonal to me.

DoubleShot

07-20-2006, 02:16 PM

I heard a few months ago that they were going to take the character of Chloe and put her in the current Superman books. I was curious if they ever did this of if anyone knows anything about it?

phantom1592

07-20-2006, 02:45 PM

Now then. The argument is, as I see it, that the "close friends/siblings end up enemies" story has been done to death. I would argue that, if that is the case, then the "total strangers end up enemies" story has been done to death too. What matters to me is the uniqueness of the characters' motivations. What I'm seeing in Smallville is that Lex is not a very good person, but that he's making an effort to be good. Ultimately he will turn into the Luthor we all know, presumably after what feels like a betrayal by Clark, the one "human being" (as far as Lex knows) that Lex really trusts and cares about. That seems like a fairly unique and interesting motivation to me. "I didn't really like people, and then the one time I completely opened up to someone he betrayed me. So screw everyone else." The post Crisis Byrne Superman's motivations for turning to the dark side always felt too abstract and impersonal to me.

Exactly. I feel Lex has gotten more character development than any other character in the show (clark included). I love watching the character change as the seasons go by.

I don't get the channel so I have to wait for the DVDs. Season 4 wasn't as much fun as 1-3 but I'm still looking forward to 5 :)

I don't mind the guest stars too much, though it does get a little hard to swallow some times. Lois I think was a mistake.

I do enjoy seeing a few "good guys". One of my friends had to comment after the 3rd season. "Isn't it a little strange that EVERYONE who gets powers uses them for Evil?" :D

Zanku

07-20-2006, 04:01 PM

I honestly have no real enthusiasm for seeing GA on smallville. There are a bunch of characters they could of had guest star, to me the only good one was the flash.

Jeff O.

07-20-2006, 04:38 PM

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/98/400/98_4_0258.jpg

http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=14940

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2493/400/2493_4_07.jpg

Hellstormer

07-20-2006, 06:56 PM

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/98/400/98_4_0258.jpg

http://www.comics.org/details.lasso?id=14940

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/2493/400/2493_4_07.jpg
Wow I wonder if those are inspirations for these episodes, so is GA gonna be wering a green hoody the whole time?

Kaos

07-20-2006, 08:00 PM

probably.....they shouldn't have lois though..and maybe clark should move to metropolis already

Ekko

07-20-2006, 08:21 PM

Well, I still like the show, and I'll be looking foward to them adding Ollie to the cast. My complaint about the show is Lana. The show went way to over the top with the deterioration of their relationship. I got to the point where everytime Clark and Lana had a scene together I would roll my eyes. Personally, I thought the show missed out a golden opportunity by not leaving her dead. This could have been the biggest turning point in the Lex/Clark feud. Clark and Lana are engaged, their relationship couldn't be going better, and Lex plays a complicated role in her death, Clark blames Lex, Lex irrationally blames Clark. I thought bringing her back and killing Johnathan instead was a bit of a cop out. But I digress, I still enjoyed the show, but I don't know if I would watch it for another season after this next one.

doomworm

07-20-2006, 10:29 PM

I hate that I know this, but it sounds like you're getting mixed up between Adam (Lost's Ian Somerhalder) and Jason (Supernatural's Jensen Ackles).

Yep. I think my memory has just streamlined Jason's fate into Adam's story or something. Thanks for setting me straight!

It's a fun show. The writers have a good deal of respect for the characters. I know of three different "Smallville" tv nights around my neighborhood to visit on new episode nights, so obviously it's very well liked.

I'm just gonna walk out of this thread now without saying anymore before I get attacked by the angry screamy baboons.

lucasb

07-21-2006, 07:40 AM

...not only was it laziness, but you can add stupidity and cowardice to the mix as well...The EXACT same statement holds true for whomever it was ORIGINALLY introduced a common origin between the two of them in the comic books.

That would be Jerry Siegel, the guy who created Superman in the first place.

Bear in mind that the Smallville series was never intended to show a grownup Superman. It's supposed to end at the point just before Clark puts on the costume. So if characters such as Perry, Lois, Brainiac, and of course Luthor are to appear at all, they have to be shoehorned into earlier continuity.

Now, some might say, "Leave them to the Superman movie(s), and create original characters for Smallville". But Smallville is designed to be its own self-contained world, independent of any movies which may or may not ever be made. So they've done their own thing, and found ways to bring in the familiar cast of Superman characters that everyone knows. I have no problem enjoying Smallville as its own reality.

And Lex is easily the most interesting character on the show.

90'sCartoonMan

07-21-2006, 10:01 AM

Although it is a little ridiculous to have Cyborg (a member of the TEEN Titans) the same age as Clark and to have Lois know Clark so well before they work together at the Planet, we have to keep in mind what lucasb said.

Bear in mind that the Smallville series was never intended to show a grownup Superman. It's supposed to end at the point just before Clark puts on the costume. So if characters such as Perry, Lois, Brainiac, and of course Luthor are to appear at all, they have to be shoehorned into earlier continuity.

It's not like this'll expand into some huge DCLAU with it's own continuity, it's one Pre-Superman show.

I'm eager to see how they'll handle Green Arrow. Cyborg was a good episode, Aquaman sucked (such a terrible actor), and I didn't like the Flash episode that much (if they did a normal characterization of Barry Allen, it would've been interesting to see how he and Clark relate).

I still want to see Ray Palmer on the show. I've always felt he's one of the easier characters to fit (he could be one of Clark's professors or a fellow student).

daniel2099

07-30-2006, 06:23 AM

i just got auaman on i tunes
I hope this role is set so if the cw get there heads out of there ....
he can do auaman and queens parts
i think hes set for a six par arc as queen

in the begining lex and clark was friends
clark makes a lab for him .in return lex works on a antidot for kyptone
there is an acident clark come to save lex but upsetes the experemt
lex becomes bauld and blames superboy and becomes his enamy

this is how it was about 60-70's in comices

smallville spends 3 season seting up there friand ship and 4 up they spend taring it down

VietN

07-31-2006, 10:30 PM

This show is so horrible, but I'll check out this episode.

phantom1592

08-01-2006, 04:22 AM

Out of curiosity, have you seen the show? I ask because I thought it was a stupid concept, a "teen" drama crap thing.

Then I watched and can't get enough. Just curious if you've seen it and don't like it or if you've dismissed it out of hand.

cactusmaac

08-01-2006, 04:47 AM

I kind of like the concept of Clark meeting up with all these other heroes before they officially put on costumes and form the JLA.

It adds a little more depth to their relationships. I'm hoping they can work the Martian Manhunter in.

VietN

08-01-2006, 11:42 AM

phantom1592

08-01-2006, 12:12 PM

I have watched this show and I do think the writing is fairly awful. The drama is up to par to soap level and just about every episode I roll my eyes at least once. I've seen about a season or two (the last couple seasons).

It's difficult to recall all the situations... hmmm on example is when Clark was affected by red krpytonite and almost got married to the teleporting girl. His mom was pissed at him and Clark cried but for crying out loud he wasn't himself! It was a little odd how that girl was easily forgotten an episode or two later.

I also recall when Clark fought those two "kryptonians" (i'm hoping they were stupid androids or something). WHY did they turn their back on Clark?! lol anyways at least one eye rolling incident every episode I've watched.

I thought it was too convenient to make Chloe the confidant by taking Pete out of the picture. But I'm sure that could be easily overlooked.

Then there's the tons of instances where key characters are at the right place at the right time for random events, stuff like that bug me though I see how it could be overlooked.

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*edit* OH yea, then there's the Lana.

Fair enough. Everyone has different tastes. I haven't seen the last season, I have to wait for DVDs :(

I don't find it any more contrived than any of the other similiar shows out there, and I like the characterizations better than most. If I had one thing that I roll my eyes at it has to do with the Clark/Lex Friendship. Just something about ALL the scenes where Lex (or sometimes Clark) go their good, special, bestest buddies house, exchange about 4 lines of dialoge and then have to leave.

If they are actually friends why don't they ever just hang out. Lex comes over for Dinner, Clark goes and shoots pool at Lex's. They indicate it MAY have happened, but it isn't shown. After 4 seasons that got a little silly.