Cool Weapons Thread

[Clint Barton]

Laser Beams! (http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002583.html)

This thread is devoted to cool, high tech weapons that can kill people and destroy things.

[Dennis K]

Laser Beams! (http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002583.html)

This thread is devoted to cool, high tech weapons that can kill people and destroy things.


http://members.aol.com/ddv106/dark/liefeld_cap.gif
Damn near killed my interest in comics.

[Clint Barton]

Jeez. That's a chest! I wonder if he's holding his breath?

[Dreadstar]

The LeMat:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/Aliaswit/lemat2.jpg

Nine-shot .42 caliber with an 18 gauge shotgun built in.

[Ed Cunard]

Does it have to be high tech? Because I rather love things that splash and splatter.

[BlairH]

I'm a gun nut.

My main sort of area of expertise is modern military type rifles and carbines. I'm quite partial to AR15 rifles (see my attached pic), although I have a massive soft spot for the current Swiss service rifle (The Sig 550. See 2nd attached pic)

Other than that, anything goes really. I enjoy weapons with a bit of history to them, like WWII weapons. I have an old .303 Lee Enfield rifle. I would much rather have an American M1 Garand, but they happen to be illegal in this particular nanny-state utopian craphole.

As far as handguns go. Noah is going to be along to scold me in a second, but I really like the Colt 1911. Again, it's a moot point, since handguns are illegal here, but nothing beats a good Wilson or Kimber manufactured 1911. The ergonomics are just perfect for me, and it has the whole John Moses Browning legacy attached to it.

The most expensive firearm I own is this one:
http://snipersparadise.com/sniperchat/uploads/gallery/gallery_6541_75_725665.jpg
It's an Accuracy International sniper rifle. It's the basically the same rifle used by UK Army sniper teams. It's rated by many as being the best bolt-action sniper rifle in the world.

[StoneGold]

Shouldn't cool weapons be about some kind of ice beam, instead of lasers?

[J Dog]

Shouldn't cool weapons be about some kind of ice beam, instead of lasers?
Well, you'd have an IceThrower instead. It'd be cool, but your hands would be frostbit after heavy usage.

Still, it's better than the overused laser.

[Ed Cunard]

I'm a gun nut.

AND YOU WONDER WHY PEOPLE CALL YOU ONE.

Hee.

I think handguns tend to be prettier than rifles. I like pretty things.

[StoneGold]

I think handguns tend to be prettier than rifles. I like pretty things.
http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/115L.gif

"Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse or a tin-horn gambler would carry a pearl-handled pistol."

-Patton

[BlairH]

I think handguns tend to be prettier than rifles. I like pretty things.
This one is for the HK snobs :D

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/usp45elite-4.jpg

[Dreadstar]

mmmmm... pretty....

[Dreadstar]

The "Swiss watch" of revolvers:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/Aliaswit/casull454.jpg

Quite possibly the best made revolver in production today.

[BlairH]

Quite possibly the best made revolver in production today.

Unquestionably.

Alas, I've never been into wheelguns. I prefer semi-automatic pistols.

[kmeyers]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006MK1T2.01-A2UN2170WPNWDC._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.gif

[BlairH]

Later this year, HK is bringing out the new PSG1A1.

http://hkpro.com/psg1a1.jpg

That's bound to be an uber-accurate rifle. (Preacher fans: You may remember this rifle from the "Salvation" story arc. Prior to ordering the rifle, Jesse and his deputy can be seen reading an HK catalogue.)

[Dreadstar]

"Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse or a tin-horn gambler would carry a pearl-handled pistol."

-Patton

Pimps have come a long way, baby.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/Aliaswit/DE_Tiger-Striped.jpg

[BlairH]

Pimps have come a long way, baby.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/Aliaswit/DE_Tiger-Striped.jpg

"Deagle wit beamz yo!"

[Dreadstar]

Later this year, HK is bringing out the new PSG1A1.

What's with the A1? New chambering? You know I'm a PSG-1 fan.

[BlairH]

What's with the A1? New chambering? You know I'm a PSG-1 fan.

http://hkpro.com/psg1.htm

When the charging handle on the PSG1 was locked to the rear it could obscure your optical sight. They've rotated the handle slightly so that this doesn't happen.

It also comes as standerd with a better scope (the old scope -whilst extremely high tech for it's time- is basically 1980s tech now and superior systems are avaliable)

These things might seem minor, but it really shows that HK is all about the little details. There's nothing much else they can do to improve the platform. It's near perfect (sure it's a tad heavy, but they have the MSG90 which fills a lighter role)

[Mac Danny]

I have always loved the looks of these guns.

I now design toy weapons for a living so whenever I get a chance, I try to use these.

http://www.worldofpangea.com/darkangel/graphics/other/pic_cx4storm.jpg

And this one looks great too. You got to hand it to the isralies, they knw how to make a weapon look sweet.

Tavor TAR-21 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavor_TAR-21)

http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/tavor_3.jpg

We actually made one of these.. the XM8

http://www.airsoft-eden.com/pic/news/xm8.jpg

[StoneGold]

I shoulda got me one of these last time I was in Chinatown. Go all Cobra Commander on your asses.


http://www.pimall.com/nais/images/skcobra.jpg

[Dreadstar]

Pinned down? Like to be able to get a grenade off at that sniper emplacement? Don't break cover, just shoot around the corner:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/Aliaswit/ORD_Cornershot_40_lg.jpg

[Ed Cunard]

http://www.airsoft-eden.com/pic/news/xm8.jpg

LASER TAG! WOO!

I approve.

[Dreadstar]

And here's the new OICW.

Kinda reminds me of a toy I grew up with, the Johnny Seven OMA:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d108/Aliaswit/ORD_OICW_HK_Stripped_lg.jpg

Yes, it all fits together neatly.

However, that doesn't really give you the COOL bit about it. See the upper barrel, the 20mm grenade launcher?

It's computerized. So are the cartridges. So let's say you have an enemy emplacement hunkered down behind a wall 60 yards away. You use the laser sight to determine range to the wall, the computer adds 2 yards to that figure, feeds it into the chambered cartridge and sets the fuse. You then fire the shot *over* the wall. As soon as it gets 2 yards PAST the wall it blows up, scattering fragmentation to the targets behind the wall.


...now if only it worked properly...

[BlairH]

LASER TAG! WOO!

I approve.

I think that's the reaction most people have when looking at the XM8.

[BlairH]

...now if only it worked properly...
It didn't. The OICW program was cancelled and replaced with the XM8 program...which was again cancelled.

Now we have the SCAR program.

http://www.ginklai.net/images/galerija/2847_fn_scarspecial_forces_combat_assault_rifle01a pkarpyta.jpg

[pennywisdom]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006MK1T2.01-A2UN2170WPNWDC._AA280_SCLZZZZZZZ_.gif
Are those usable weapons or just props? Can they sell weapons on Amazon?

[StoneGold]

Are those usable weapons or just props? Can they sell weapons on Amazon?
Fixed blades, yes. Otherwise, they couldn't sell legit cutlery, like for cooking. Firearms, no. And I guess in theory they are usable weapons, but they really aren't very useful. They look cool and all, but you'd probably be better off with just a knife.

[Mac Danny]

It didn't. The OICW program was cancelled and replaced with the XM8 program...which was again cancelled.

Now we have the SCAR program.

http://www.ginklai.net/images/galerija/2847_fn_scarspecial_forces_combat_assault_rifle01a pkarpyta.jpg

The SCAR weapons are kinda dull looking. but DEADLY..

and they have a cool name..

[hoffmandu]

Are those usable weapons or just props? Can they sell weapons on Amazon?

Does anyone else think the grip on this seems a little big? Very cool, though.

[pennywisdom]

Fixed blades, yes. Otherwise, they couldn't sell legit cutlery, like for cooking. Firearms, no. And I guess in theory they are usable weapons, but they really aren't very useful. They look cool and all, but you'd probably be better off with just a knife.
I see.

Does anyone else think the grip on this seems a little big? Very cool, though.
I think they look cool, but I would feel like an idiot spending money on them.

[Dreadstar]

I've looked and looked, but can't find a picture of it. A decade ago, researchers came up with a non-lethal foam glue gun that was sprayed like a flamethrower from a tank on the back. Think "Paste-Pot Pete." Or that scene from the Hulk movie.

Though it wasn't quite as non-lethal as they would've liked. Turns out that it could (and tended to) get into the airways of the victim and wasn't easily removed in such cases.

Some of the more fun non-lethals are several different types of shotgun loads, amoung which my favorite was the "sticky shocker," a self contained stun-gun disguised as a 12 gauge load.

And sonics! Sonics that will make you lose consciousness or lose control of your bladder or bowels.

But enough about Brittany Spears...

[ChaosBuddha]

And sonics! Sonics that will make you lose consciousness or lose control of your bladder or bowels.

But enough about Brittany Spears...

Who could possibly think that was a good idea, If you're a cop would you want to pick up a guy who just dropped a load in his pants and drive him all the way to the police station.

[Dreadstar]

Who could possibly think that was a good idea, If you're a cop would you want to pick up a guy who just dropped a load in his pants and drive him all the way to the police station.

Depends, I guess...

hah!

[kmeyers]

Are those usable weapons or just props? Can they sell weapons on Amazon?
I have a pair, and they're very sharp(I didn't get them from amazon, though). I would imagine they're good for most slicing attacks.

If you tried to punch throught something too dense, the blades would probably break off, but then you would have a pretty nice set of brass knuckles.

[kmeyers]

Does anyone else think the grip on this seems a little big? Very cool, though.
The grip isn't that big, I guess it depends how big your hands are, too. This picture is a little hard to see the grips...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/kmeyers/meapr1claw.jpg

[kmeyers]

I think they look cool, but I would feel like an idiot spending money on them.
It was only $60 for two of them, which is pretty cheap.

[hoffmandu]

It was only $60 for two of them, which is pretty cheap.

Nice, dude, thanks for the pic. i needed scale. Are they pretty sturdy?

[Expletive Deleted]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y92/expletivedeleted/SCAR3.jpg

This (http://www.boltsniper.com/Homemades/BSarmory.htm) is about as deadly as my fantasies get.

Ah, NERF and PVC. So very, very versatile.

[Grazzt]

Depends, I guess...

hah!

Was that intentional or accidental? Either way, good work! :D

[hoffmandu]

duplicate post, sorry.

[StoneGold]

It was only $60 for two of them, which is pretty cheap.
You overpaid.


There's also a newer version with a slightly different grip with studs between the blades, which I can't seem to find online, and the more stripped down model, which is smaller, but features more Wolvie-looking blades, and has a grip that gets hidden in your hand, so it looks more like they are coming out of your knuckles.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/swblades_1905_65083715

[kmeyers]

Nice, dude, thanks for the pic. i needed scale. Are they pretty sturdy?
Like I said earlier, they're really sturdy for slicing motions. I've sliced through drywall with them. But I have a feeling if I tried to punch a hole through anything stronger than that, the blades might break off where they are connected to the grip. But they're pretty sturdy.

[hoffmandu]

Like I said earlier, they're really sturdy for slicing motions. I've sliced through drywall with them. But I have a feeling if I tried to punch a hole through anything stronger than that, the blades might break off where they are connected to the grip. But they're pretty sturdy.

Booya, been looking for something to help clean up my streets! JK........or am I........DON DON DOOOON!

[kmeyers]

You overpaid.
How much did I overpay?


There's also a newer version with a slightly different grip with studs between the blades, which I can't seem to find online, and the more stripped down model, which is smaller, but features more Wolvie-looking blades, and has a grip that gets hidden in your hand, so it looks more like they are coming out of your knuckles.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/swblades_1905_65083715
Those look more sturdy than the ones I have. Very cool too.

[Dennis K]

http://www.yeeha.net/nassa/spain/cadstones1.jpg



They may look like they're only good for skipping across a lake, but they'll damn sure poke your eye out.

[StoneGold]

How much did I overpay?

Not by a huge amount. $5-$10. Shop around in Chinatown, you can find them for like $24 each, I think. Could probably make a deal if you bought two at a time.

Those look more sturdy than the ones I have. Very cool too.
They aren't too shabby. Like I said, a hair smaller, and a bit more curved. But they don't have that cut taken out of the bottom of the blade, which kind of takes away from the Wolvieness of the Pantera claw. Again, if you're gonna buy, head for Chinatown. Or shoot me a PM or something, we can start a CBRLA Buy Pointy Things day.

[Forefinger]

I have the handle wrapped in electrical tape, but other than that, this is the machete that I'm going to one day use to murder people
http://www.oldplane.com/striking_tools/mach_collins/DSC_0037.jpg

[Forefinger]

I think that's the reaction most people have when looking at the XM8.
The XM8 can kick ass. I don't like it as much as an M4, but that thing will be great. It has so many applications that it will make everyone in an infantry squad much more versatile.

[hoffmandu]

I have the handle wrapped in electrical tape, but other than that, this is the machete that I'm going to one day use to murder people
http://www.oldplane.com/striking_tools/mach_collins/DSC_0037.jpg

I need one of these, bigtime.

[Guapo Méndez]

I saw this one at a museum once. Helluva way to blast the unwary.

http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/image_page/gun/sword_revolver1.jpg


This sword and intergral 9mm revolver was made by T. A. Rauh and Co, Solingen. The revolver is loaded inside the German silver handguard and the barrel is parallel to the right side of the sword blade and is easily aimed. United States patent 52,504 was granted February 6, 1866 for the Rauh pistol-sword (click on patent for full large view).

[JeffreyWKramer]

I have a pair, and they're very sharp(I didn't get them from amazon, though). I would imagine they're good for most slicing attacks.


Really, multiple-blade weapons tend to look impressive, but actually be fairly ineffective. If you actually hit someone with more than one blade in the same strike, the force of the strike is distributed across multiple areas of contact, which results in reduced penetration. Generally speaking, you get better results from one slash/stab with all the force behind it than you do the multi-cut routine.

This is why multiple-blade weapons are a relative rarity among classical melee weapons. You can occasionally find an example, but they are nothing more than oddities which never caught on. The form of multiple-attacks-at-once melee weapon that tends to work best is something along the lines of a fork or trident - i.e., something intended to pierce, rather than slash/cut. This is because putting all the force into multiple very small points of impact (multiple points) tends to minimize the loss of force, compared to spreading it across multiple blades.

[hoffmandu]

Really, multiple-blade weapons tend to look impressive, but actually be fairly ineffective. If you actually hit someone with more than one blade in the same strike, the force of the strike is distributed across multiple areas of contact, which results in reduced penetration. Generally speaking, you get better results from one slash/stab with all the force behind it than you do the multi-cut routine.

This is why multiple-blade weapons are a relative rarity among classical melee weapons. You can occasionally find an example, but they are nothing more than oddities which never caught on. The form of multiple-attacks-at-once melee weapon that tends to work best is something along the lines of a fork or trident - i.e., something intended to pierce, rather than slash/cut. This is because putting all the force into multiple very small points of impact (multiple points) tends to minimize the loss of force, compared to spreading it across multiple blades.

Kramer, you're logic has ruined my Wolverine hands. Just wanted you to know that. Anything I should know about the machete?

[StoneGold]

Holy crap on a crutch!!!!

http://www.wholesalesword.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=796

http://www.wholesalesword.com/ProductImages/handheldthumbs/3366Pair1.jpg

[JeffreyWKramer]

Kramer, you're logic has ruined my Wolverine hands. Just wanted you to know that. Anything I should know about the machete?

Machetes are great weapons. The way the weight is balanced toward the tip gives them lots of cutting force - in this way, they're similar to the famed Gurkha blade, but the simpler design makes them easier to use well. The machete is a masterpiece of design efficiency.

[StoneGold]

Kramer, you're logic has ruined my Wolverine hands. Just wanted you to know that. Anything I should know about the machete?
Yeah, but the name of the thread isn't useful weapons. Hell, those Wolverine claws are the least useful things ever, just because they don't store well. That, and there is literally no tang.

[Mike Smash!]

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/images/Products/115L.gif

"Only a pimp in a New Orleans whorehouse or a tin-horn gambler would carry a pearl-handled pistol."

-PattonWhat about Brisco County Jr.?

[JeffreyWKramer]

Holy crap on a crutch!!!!

http://www.wholesalesword.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=796

http://www.wholesalesword.com/ProductImages/handheldthumbs/3366Pair1.jpg

Eh, one's better off with a knife. You have the same problem distribution-of-force issues as with the Wolvie claws, plus the necessity of attacking with the fingers spread almost guarantees injury to the hands - broken fingers, most likely - if you make a solid strike with these.

And worse yet, you use both hands for one not-too-effective offense.

[hoffmandu]

Eh, one's better off with a knife. You have the same problem distribution-of-force issues as with the Wolvie claws, plus the necessity of attacking with the fingers spread almost guarantees injury to the hands - broken fingers, most likely - if you make a solid strike with these.

And worse yet, you use both hands for one not-too-effective offense.

Why do I get the feeling Kramer has some cliched background like ex-CIA on the run or Lorenzo Lamas from Renegade.

[BlairH]

The XM8 can kick ass. I don't like it as much as an M4, but that thing will be great. It has so many applications that it will make everyone in an infantry squad much more versatile.

The Army cancelled their procurement program. Ergo, no XM8/M8 service rifle HK is still keeping it going in the hopes that some other country will adopt it as a weapon system. Personally, I don't see that anybody will, as HK themselves offer the G36 assault rifle, which has proved to be far more popular (the XM8 is basically just a G36 with different plastic furniture)

The Army will be sticking to the M16/M4 platform untill at least 2012. The SCAR rifle looks like it's just going to be adopted by SOF units (just as the mk23 SOCOM pistol -pictured-)

http://hkpro.com/socomcan.jpg

[hoffmandu]

Machetes are great weapons. The way the weight is balanced toward the tip gives them lots of cutting force - in this way, they're similar to the famed Gurkha blade, but the simpler design makes them easier to use well. The machete is a masterpiece of design efficiency.

Gurkah blade you say? Hmmm, what's that all about. Sounds real cool.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Why do I get the feeling Kramer has some cliched background like ex-CIA on the run or Lorenzo Lamas from Renegade.

Nah, just several years training in a variety of martial arts, including some weapons arts, plus screwing around in SCA and things like that, and having studied the history of weapons and martial arts.

Just some of my geek-fu specialties, really.

[BlairH]

Machetes are great weapons. The way the weight is balanced toward the tip gives them lots of cutting force - in this way, they're similar to the famed Gurkha blade, but the simpler design makes them easier to use well. The machete is a masterpiece of design efficiency.
My favorite bladed melee weapon is the Fairbairn Sykes commando knife. Popularised by Her Majesty's SAS.

http://www.inventorysource.com/images/mo/MOSH71490.jpg

It's so simple. It reminds me of the standard Roman infantry sword -the gladius-

[JeffreyWKramer]

Gurkah blade you say? Hmmm, what's that all about. Sounds real cool.


The Gurkha have a long history of kicking ass. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha

Down toward the bottom of that page, you see a pic of the standard Gurkha melee weapon, the kukri knife. More about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukri

[BlairH]

Gurkah blade you say? Hmmm, what's that all about. Sounds real cool.

The UK Army has several "Ghurkah" infantry regiments. They are extremely brave troops recruited from Nepal.

The Gurkah blade is known in Nepal as the Kurki. Every time a Gurkah draws his blade, he must draw blood, whether it be that of the enemy, or his own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kukri

EDIT: Beaten by Jeff.

[JeffreyWKramer]

My favorite bladed melee weapon is the Fairbairn Sykes commando knife. Popularised by Her Majesty's SAS.

http://www.inventorysource.com/images/mo/MOSH71490.jpg

It's so simple. It reminds me of the standard Roman infantry sword -the gladius-

It's a good design, no doubt. Simple, effective, useful for throwing (though intended primarily for stabbing). The small guard makes it less than ideal as a fighting knife, but since it was intended for commando use - i.e., surprise attacks - if the user ends up in an actual knife fight, the mission parameters are presumably already blown. As is, it is light, small, easy to conceal, well-balanced. It's well-regarded for good reason.

Not sure about the comparison with the gladius, other than that both are sturdy weapons of pretty simple design.

[Cyke]

I saw this one at a museum once. Helluva way to blast the unwary.

http://www.ruble-enterprises.com/image_page/gun/sword_revolver1.jpg



Man, and I thought Final Fantasy had the first Gunblades.

[BlairH]

Not sure about the comparison with the gladius, other than that both are sturdy weapons of pretty simple design.
Both designed for thrusting rather than slashing, simplicity of design, etc.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Both designed for thrusting rather than slashing, simplicity of design, etc.


Well, the gladius could do both reasonably well. It wasn't a slash-specific weapon like, say, a sabre or scimitar, but it did the job well enough, as well as being good at stabbing.

But yeah, another classic, strong design. I gotta admit, I'm much more partial to both the katana and the Chinese broadsword, but that's really more a matter of personal preference and style than disregard for the strengths of the gladius. Every strength those others have (reach and sharpness for the katana, the weighted strike of the Chinese blade) are balanced by good factors in favor of the gladius (excellent close-quarters weapon, sturdiness, simplicity of use).

[BlairH]

This isn't my rifle, but it would probably be my ideal .223 (5.56mm) set-up if the UK firearms Act weren't an issue. I own a similar rifle in .22 rimfire (UK legal) but it's of limited application because I can only use it in smallbore target competitions. I can't use it in any of the practical shooting disciplines.

http://mlarson.c5i.net/Rifle2.jpg

The optical sight is an Eotech. It's a holographic sight system.

http://witchesburning.home.mindspring.com/nel-eotech.jpg

[kmeyers]

Yeah, but the name of the thread isn't useful weapons. Hell, those Wolverine claws are the least useful things ever, just because they don't store well. That, and there is literally no tang.
Yeah, the no tang thing is why I'm guessing that punching anything dense will break the blades off, but even if it's not as effective, they are sharp and slashy.

[Noah Johnson]

As far as handguns go. Noah is going to be along to scold me in a second, but I really like the Colt 1911. Again, it's a moot point, since handguns are illegal here, but nothing beats a good Wilson or Kimber manufactured 1911. The ergonomics are just perfect for me, and it has the whole John Moses Browning legacy attached to it.
Sorry it took so long to get back and scold you; I've been away from the internet for a couple days.

And the 1911 is to handguns what the katana is to swords. A very nice design that's got an enormous goddamn cult behind it declaring it the be-all and end-all of weaponry. Just because something is very good doesn't mean it can't also be overrated.

Now, look, I respect the taste for old things. It's a big part of my personal aesthetic. I smoke a pipe and shave with a straight razor... I get the antique thing. And lord knows John M. Browning was the Picasso of handgun design. He designed the finest handguns for Colt, then went and formed his own company and made the Browning Hi-Power, the best single-action 9mm ever made. Hell, the handgun I miss the most was a Browning design, the utterly lovely 1903 .32 hammerless. Let me turn its description over to a better writer for a moment.

There, snugly wrapped in a white woolen scarf, lay a pocket automatic: caliber .32, capacity of magazine 8 cartridges, length a little under one ninth of Lolita's length, stock checked walnut, finish full blued.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a269/NoahJohnson/1903Colt.jpg

Just a beautiful, beautiful weapon. Man, I wish I still had it.

So, yes, I understand the historical and aesthetic appeal of the 1911. It was unquestionably the state of the art when it was made. Ninety-five friggin' years ago. Technology advances, man. Your modern .45, say the Ruger P345 for example...
http://ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/228L.jpg
...is tougher than the 1911, easier to maintain, lighter in weight, probably rustproof, and almost always ergonomically better. Most importantly, it's not a goddamn single-action. There is just plain no reason for anyone to carry or use a single-action semi-auto in the 21st century. It's either dangerously slow or just plain dangerous to carry, and technology has made both conditions unnecessary.

Speaking of the fine folks at Ruger, I keep meaning to get this gorgeous thing:
http://ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/images/Products/102L.jpg
It's a 9mm carbine, but that's not what's awesome. You notice how the magazine looks like a pistol magazine? That's because it is. All Ruger magazines in a given caliber are completely cross-compatible. I have pre-1994 15-round magazines for my own Ruger 9mm, which didn't come out until the late 1990s, because they were built for a previous Ruger 9mm. I could use those magazines in that rifle, or rifle magazines in my pistol. That's good design by anyone's standard.

Oh, and on blade design, I REALLY like the Yang style Chinese saber. Some of the best elements of Chinese, Japanese, and European designs, IMHO. Here's a cheap practice version, the first image I could find:
http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/products/images/saber.jpg

[DubipR]

Only gun I'd want....
http://wirelessdigest.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/goldengun.jpg

[BlairH]

Just a beautiful, beautiful weapon. Man, I wish I still had it.
That's a nice pistol.

Technology advances, man. Your modern .45, say the Ruger P345 for example...
I've yet to fire a Ruger handgun. I have however fired the HK USP. My opinion: Overrated, overpriced, but undeniably the deadliest thing to come out of Germany since the Blitz.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/jciiv/P5200354.jpg

There is just plain no reason for anyone to carry or use a single-action semi-auto in the 21st century. It's either dangerously slow or just plain dangerous to carry, and technology has made both conditions unnecessary.
I prefer the generally crisper trigger pull of SA pistols.

Speaking of the fine folks at Ruger, I keep meaning to get this gorgeous thing:
I wish I still had my Ruger 10/22. Unfortunately I can't own multiple rifles that use the same ammunition, so I had to surrender the 10/22 so that I could buy my .22 AR15 upper receiver.

It's a 9mm carbine, but that's not what's awesome. You notice how the magazine looks like a pistol magazine? That's because it is. All Ruger magazines in a given caliber are completely cross-compatible.
It's similar to the Beretta Storm carbine, which takes standard Beretta 92 mags. I prefer the ergonomics of the Beretta Storm though, as the mag fits into the pistol grip "fist finds fist" beats relying on muscle memory hands down.

http://www.shooterschoice.com/beretta/berCx4Storm.jpg

It also looks very "evil", which always helps.

That said, I can see why you'd go for the Ruger. You already have the mags and stuff, plus Ruger is just plain better than Beretta as a company. I hate Beretta pistols with a passion. The 92 has to be the worst 9mm pistol ever (darn unwieldy controls!)

I have pre-1994 15-round magazines for my own Ruger 9mm
Pre 1994? Somebody still lives in a "Ban State" :D

In the UK magazines aren't restricted at all. Neither are "silencers". It's just a pity that the ammo & firearms themselves are so heavily restricted.

[Forefinger]

Machetes are great weapons. The way the weight is balanced toward the tip gives them lots of cutting force - in this way, they're similar to the famed Gurkha blade, but the simpler design makes them easier to use well. The machete is a masterpiece of design efficiency.
I love you.

[Forefinger]

The Army cancelled their procurement program. Ergo, no XM8/M8 service rifle HK is still keeping it going in the hopes that some other country will adopt it as a weapon system. Personally, I don't see that anybody will, as HK themselves offer the G36 assault rifle, which has proved to be far more popular (the XM8 is basically just a G36 with different plastic furniture)

The Army will be sticking to the M16/M4 platform untill at least 2012. The SCAR rifle looks like it's just going to be adopted by SOF units (just as the mk23 SOCOM pistol -pictured-)

http://hkpro.com/socomcan.jpg
I'm sure that you are more learned on the subject than I am at this point.

I got to mess with an XM8 and watch a demonstration. It can go from it's standard configuration to a SAW, to a sniper setup with very little modification. Also the shotgun and M203 (or the XM8 version) just snap on and off easily. Same thing with daysights and other little handy items like the "gangster grip".

At one point they were issuing the XM8s down to the squad levels in my brigade. I guess things didn't work out.

[Clint Barton]

http://www.tonysguns.com/images/glock26.jpg

Wonderful engineering. Sleek lines. Cold steel. Simple, yet highly effective.

[Erebus]

Franchi SPAS-12.
A freaking automatic shotgun
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Spas12b.jpg

I honestly want to cry everytime I see that.

[Noah Johnson]

I prefer the generally crisper trigger pull of SA pistols.

I entirely agree. I prefer not to use DAO pistols when alternatives are available. Such as, for example, the DA/SA action on my primary pistol. When I take it out shooting I often just cock the hammer with my thumb to avoid that long DA pull on the first shot. Does mean I can carry it with a round in the chamber, though, unlike your basic 1911.

You want a weird trigger pull, sometime track down a Colt 2000:
http://www.pagunsmith.com/colt2000.gif
It's a very nice gun, actually, but Colt cultists wouldn't accept it. Kind of a New Coke thing, I think. The trigger doesn't rotate at all, it slides all the way back in a straight line. Feels weirder than you'd expect.

[Erebus]

S&W 500. Possibly the most powerful revolver in the world.
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ga_handguns/GAgrab_071405A.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/500Magnumcomparison.jpg
The S&W 500 compared to a .44 Magnum, and .357 Magnum.

[Clint Barton]

I'm looking down the barrel of the most powerful handgun in the world????!!!!

<insert Clint Eastwood line here>

[StoneGold]

http://www.sillimancollege.org/downloads/SilliflicksMovieList/images/1297f.jpg

[Pól Rua]

Yeah, but the name of the thread isn't useful weapons. Hell, those Wolverine claws are the least useful things ever, just because they don't store well. That, and there is literally no tang.

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0004300010390_LG.jpg

buh?
Dang. Now I gotta get me some Tang!

[StoneGold]

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0004300010390_LG.jpg

buh?
Dang. Now I gotta get me some Tang!
President Clinton? I figure if anyone knows where to get some Tang around here, it's you. Shut up!!!

[kmeyers]

Good enough for Legolas.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/kmeyers/FightingKnivesofLegolasBIG.jpg

[pennywisdom]

As far as I'm concerned, the Wolverine claws are the surprise hit of the thread, I don't care if they're the greatest melee weapon the world has ever seen or not.

[OzBat!]

NERF solves all problems. At least it did, when I was ten!

[Rachel Grey]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i66/Largo01/Windu_promo1.jpg

Purple Lightsabre. It'll save you from snakes on a mother----ing plane.

[howyadoin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/howyadoin/Gunchick.jpg

[Rachel Grey]

Lame. Rally would so own her.

[JeffreyWKramer]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/howyadoin/Gunchick.jpg

Wha? She's got a weapon? Where?

[BlairH]

It's a very nice gun, actually, but Colt cultists wouldn't accept it. Kind of a New Coke thing, I think. The trigger doesn't rotate at all, it slides all the way back in a straight line. Feels weirder than you'd expect.
I think Colt was trying to replicate the "feel" of a revolver somewhat with that gun.

The title of "worst. trigger. ever" belongs to the HK VP70
http://www.hkpro.com/video/VP70Z-VP70M.mov

[hoffmandu]

So Kramer, what do you suggest as far as blunt weapons?

[StoneGold]

So Kramer, what do you suggest as far as blunt weapons?
Broken table leg.

http://www.kcactive.com/aande/images/reelimages/anchorman.jpg

[hoffmandu]

Broken table leg.

http://www.kcactive.com/aande/images/reelimages/anchorman.jpg

Already have one of those.

[JeffreyWKramer]

So Kramer, what do you suggest as far as blunt weapons?
I'm a big fan of the basic staff - quarter, bo, you name it. Good reach, two ends to attack with, good on offense and defense, good with a variety of offensive options (strikes, sweeps, disarms, etc.), not too difficult to master on a basic level of proficiency, yet flexible enough to offer lots of advanced options, plus it offers a lot of impact not due to weight (which limits who can use it) but due to leverage and speed of motion.

There's also the fact that if you take two people of equal proficiency, and you give one of them a staff and the other any other sort of melee weapon you want to name, the one with the staff will win much more often than not. Reach + speed + flexibility is a hard combo to beat.

Plus, something serviceable as a staff is often readily available. Mop or rake handles, long sticks and pool cues are not ideal for weapon purposes, but they serve in a pinch.

Beyond that, the basic club or baton is a vastly under-rated weapon. Something like a baseball bat offers good reach and lots of impact, while something lighter such as the classic jo or escrima sticks offers lots of speed and works well in two-handed fighting. With training in basic stick-fighting techniques, lots of readily-available items suddenly become significant improvised weapons.

I'm also quite fond of collapsible batons. They can easily be carried and concealed, providing good surprise value, and with basic technique training, you can just plain devastate someone by combining the force of the weapon deploying with a strike. Some of the ones with a spring section toward the end also add some of the benefits offered by flail/chain weapons - extra impact due to centrifugal force - while maintaining ease of control/use and avoiding the need for lots of space.

Personally, I also like flail and chain weapons, including nunchaku and the basic, good, old chain. They hit harder than other weapons of equal weight, and are harder to defend against than are less flexible weapons. However, they require a lot of training in order to use them effectively; untrained, someone using a chain or nunchaku is more likely to harm himself than he is an opponent. Many chain weapons also take a lot of space to use.

If I had my choice of what blunt weapon to bring to a fight, I'd go for my staff, but for someone wanting to just learn some basic weapon skills for self-defense purposes, I'd recommend picking up some stick/baton fighting training, as this basic weapon combines efficiency with accessibility.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Broken table leg.

See stick/club/baton. And yep, not a bad weapon.

The staff is still better, though.

[Forefinger]

I have a big, 4, D cell battery flashlight in my truck. That's my baton/club weapon of choice.

[Erebus]

I still prefer the classic wooden baseball bat as far as blunt weapons go. Its sturdy, has a good reach, not to heavy nor light, and gives a guy a hell of a headache.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I have a big, 4, D cell battery flashlight in my truck. That's my baton/club weapon of choice.


They're good for that. Due to the weight, they are a bit slow, but they hit damn hard.

[hoffmandu]

They're good for that. Due to the weight, they are a bit slow, but they hit damn hard.

I once saw a guy get nailed upside the head with an extended Maglight. He started bleeding from the ears.......if that puts it into perspective for anyone.

[Forefinger]

I once saw a guy get nailed upside the head with an extended Maglight. He started bleeding from the ears.......if that puts it into perspective for anyone.
I would just hit someone in the legs, arms, or maybe the back with it. I'm not looking to kill........well maybe I would go ahead and hit someone with it in the head.

[Forefinger]

They're good for that. Due to the weight, they are a bit slow, but they hit damn hard.
Up until today, because I stole them from work, I didn't have any batteries in it. I may take them out because of the speed issue. But then again, I might actually need a light at some point.

[JeffreyWKramer]

I once saw a guy get nailed upside the head with an extended Maglight. He started bleeding from the ears.......if that puts it into perspective for anyone.
Back when I worked college security, our weapons were pepper spray and a big, ol' metal flashlight that was heavy enough to qualify as a mace. I never had opportunity to use it on anyone, but one of my colleagues who did said it made a satisfying crunchy sound when used on the ribs, and put a big, drunk jock out of the fight in nothing flat.

[Forefinger]

Back when I worked college security, our weapons were pepper spray and a big, ol' metal flashlight that was heavy enough to qualify as a mace. I never had opportunity to use it on anyone, but one of my colleagues who did said it made a satisfying crunchy sound when used on the ribs, and put a big, drunk jock out of the fight in nothing flat.
I left mine in my office for the guys that work the night shifts for a long time, just in case they needed to beat someone with something.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Up until today, because I stole them from work, I didn't have any batteries in it. I may take them out because of the speed issue. But then again, I might actually need a light at some point.

Unless you're fighting someone on close to equal terms, the speed difference won't be much of an issue, so I'd go with keeping the batteries in, both for the extra impact value, and so you can use it for light when needed - which hopefully is more likely than having to bash anyone.

[kmeyers]

Unless you're fighting someone on close to equal terms, the speed difference won't be much of an issue, so I'd go with keeping the batteries in, both for the extra impact value, and so you can use it for light when needed - which hopefully is more likely than having to bash anyone.
And you can shine it in their eyes and blind them.

[Forefinger]

Unless you're fighting someone on close to equal terms, the speed difference won't be much of an issue, so I'd go with keeping the batteries in, both for the extra impact value, and so you can use it for light when needed - which hopefully is more likely than having to bash anyone.
Who am I trying to kid here? It's in there to hurt someone if necessary.

[Forefinger]

And you can shine it in their eyes and blind them!
And then beat the shit out of them while they are blinded! Brilliant.

[JeffreyWKramer]

And you can shine it in their eyes and blind them.

And Forefinger already took my follow-up line.

[howyadoin]

Wha? She's got a weapon? Where?At least two, from what I can see.

I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Desert Eagle, though. Not that I know a damn thing abut them, but I thought they were highly-regarded.

[Noah Johnson]

At least two, from what I can see.

I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Desert Eagle, though. Not that I know a damn thing abut them, but I thought they were highly-regarded.
They're in movies a lot because they're unnecessarily huge.

Me, I've got nothing to compensate for, so I'm not interested in them.

[Grazzt]

Hmmm, blackjacks are missing from your list of recommended blunt weapons, Jeffrey. Any reason for that, or do you just lump them in with clubs?

[kmeyers]

They're in movies a lot because they're unnecessarily huge.

Me, I've got nothing to compensate for, so I'm not interested in them.
maybe she's a size queen.

[Erebus]

At least two, from what I can see.

I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Desert Eagle, though. Not that I know a damn thing abut them, but I thought they were highly-regarded.
Oh, there powerful alright, but the reconcial is so damn strong its nearly impossible to aim right with those, besides making your wrist feel like its about to break.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Hmmm, blackjacks are missing from your list of recommended blunt weapons, Jeffrey. Any reason for that, or do you just lump them in with clubs?

They aren't very good weapons, really. They don't have much reach, don't do a lot unless you don't hit the opponent in the right place and are really only effective if used in a surprise attack. Other than concealability, kmeyers' Wolvie claws are a much better weapon. So's Forefinger's flashlight.

For a burglar or someone like that, I guess a blackjack makes sense. For general purposes, though, they don't offer much. They aren't worth crap as a self-defense weapon, or to protect your home. For a regular fight, I'd rather use a chain or just pick up a stick. If you want to learn to use a highly-specialized, not-very-effective weapon, you may as well learn to use something that at least looks impressive, like, say, a nine-dragon trident.

You know what works as well as a blackjack for what a blackjack's good for, and is a thousand times more useful overall? Sap gloves. Sap gloves are leather gloves with pockets filled with lead shot on the striking surfaces (under the top knuckles and on the back of the hand). The lead shot adds extra weight to a punch, enough to pack significant wallop, while allowing one use of the hands.

[JeffreyWKramer]

At least two, from what I can see.

Oh, them! Good point.

And from the hips on her, I'm guessing she can knock someone out with her ass.

As to the Desert Eagle, I know shit-all about guns. I'm not anti-gun, but I personally don't like them much. If I lived in a higher-crime area, I'd own one, though.

[kmeyers]

You know what works as well as a blackjack for what a blackjack's good for, and is a thousand times more useful overall? Sap gloves. Sap gloves are leather gloves with pockets filled with lead shot on the striking surfaces (under the top knuckles and on the back of the hand). The lead shot adds extra weight to a punch, enough to pack significant wallop, while allowing one use of the hands.
Oh shit! That sounds like MMA gloves, instead of the gloves being minor padded protection from breaking your hands, these gloves insure that you break...whatever you hit with them.

Also good for training. Many MMA fighters workout holding a weight, like a roll of quarters size, in their fists to acheive a similar effect.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Oh shit! That sounds like MMA gloves, instead of the gloves being minor padded protection from breaking your hands, these gloves insure that you break...whatever you hit with them.

Yup yup. In some states they're illegal, classified as concealed weapons.

Also good for training. Many MMA fighters workout holding a weight, like a roll of quarters size, in their fists to acheive a similar effect.

The roll of quarters, or using a steel or lead weight of that size, is also a classic trick - essentially, a fist-load, to add extra weight to a punch. Not quite as good as the sap gloves, as you can't just wear the fist load, and you can't use your hands for holding anything else while using the fist load, but handy in a pinch. Some fist loads have a ring placed about halfway down the length, made to be worn on the middle finger, with the load in the palm of the hand, so the user is less likely to drop it, or can let go and grapple without losing the weapon. Such "official" fist loads are also illegal in many places, as are brass knuckles.

[howyadoin]

Oh, there powerful alright, but the reconcial is so damn strong its nearly impossible to aim right with those, besides making your wrist feel like its about to break.How 'bout one of these, then?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/howyadoin/Deathlok_12.jpg

[kmeyers]

Yup yup. In some states they're illegal, classified as concealed weapons.



The roll of quarters, or using a steel or lead weight of that size, is also a classic trick - essentially, a fist-load, to add extra weight to a punch. Not quite as good as the sap gloves, as you can't just wear the fist load, and you can't use your hands for holding anything else while using the fist load, but handy in a pinch. Some fist loads have a ring placed about halfway down the length, made to be worn on the middle finger, with the load in the palm of the hand, so the user is less likely to drop it, or can let go and grapple without losing the weapon. Such "official" fist loads are also illegal in many places, as are brass knuckles.

That ring on the middle finger, reminds me of how padlocks can easily become excellent improvisations. Combination part in the palm, ring around a finger. locked and loaded. VERY undercover.

[JeffreyWKramer]

That ring on the middle finger, reminds me of how padlocks can easily become excellent improvisations. Combination part in the palm, ring around a finger. locked and loaded. VERY undercover.
Neat idea! Good basic fist load... and unlikely to get one arrested for carrying a concealed weapon unless you actually get caught in the act.

[kmeyers]

Neat idea! Good basic fist load... and unlikely to get one arrested for carrying a concealed weapon unless you actually get caught in the act.
Yeah, i learned early that locks, and bike chains are fuckin dangerous weapons.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Yeah, i learned early that locks, and bike chains are fuckin dangerous weapons.

Bicycle chains, and bicycle locks on a chain, I've also used in the past.

The thing of putting a combo lock in one's palm and the latch over the finger, that's a new one on me. I like, though.

[kmeyers]

Bicycle chains, and bicycle locks on a chain, I've also used in the past.

The thing of putting a combo lock in one's palm and the latch over the finger, that's a new one on me. I like, though.
No one is going to ever question why you have a lock in your pocket...as opposed to say...brass knuckles...or a knife.

It works best over the middle finger...

[howyadoin]

No one is going to ever question why you have a lock in your pocket...as opposed to say...brass knuckles...or a knife.They will ask about the roll of quarters, though.

[JeffreyWKramer]

They will ask about the roll of quarters, though.Laundromat money.

[kmeyers]

They will ask about the roll of quarters, though.
Heh...ya got me.
I guess i'm just giving more options. I was just reminiscing about the good ole days.

Self defense is good for all...except the bad guys.

[Erebus]

Woah, Jeffrey. I never suspected you were this hardcore.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Woah, Jeffrey. I never suspected you were this hardcore.
I dunno about hardcore, but I know quite a bit about fighting, and I used to get in lots of fights, back when I was young and stupid.

Back when I was a kid, I had serious problems with anger. My home life was not a happy one, and I was one of those smart kids who got picked on because I wasn't good in sports and I was into different things than a lot of the kids were. But instead of just getting tossed around by the bullies, I let out the anger and fought back. Before very long I got pretty good at it, but I also ended up getting in a lot of stupid fights for stupid reasons. I never started them, but I didn't do anything to avoid them, either. Essentially, anyone could push my buttons - so, lots of people did. Mostly it was just school kid tussling, but as me and the other kids got older, sometimes it got rougher... and sometimes when you kick a bully's ass, he just gets a gang of friends together. That's when I started turning to weapons to even the score. Surprising how quick a gang of goons scatters when you smack one of them in the nose with a brick, or how even if they outnumber you four to one, none of the four is in any hurry to be the one to get hit in the face with the bicycle chain you're whirling around in a figure-eight in front of you.

Eventually - as I approached high school, and after I'd boxed a bit - I got into the martial arts. On some level, I just wanted to be a better fighter, but on another level, I knew I had to learn some self-discipline or else I'd end up seriously hurting someone and getting myself into serious legal trouble some day. The martial arts training did the trick - I learned meditation and focusing skills, and I learned to control myself. Topped with the bit of boxing and all the stupid fights, I was pretty good. By my junior year in high school, I stopped getting in fights.

Over time, I jumped from art to art, and picked up some weapons skill - first mostly just dicking around copying stuff from kung fu movies, later studying some forms that incorporate weapon training. Most of my formal weapon training is from Okinawan arts using the classic karate weapons (nunchaku, staff, tonfa, etc.), plus spears. I did bits of fencing, kendo and SCA over the years, too. Plus, I worked as a security guard for awhile, and got some weapons training (baton/stick/club) as part of that. These days, I don't study any arts, but I still do katas and weapons workouts from time to time, to keep the basics down. I'm pretty good with some weapons, and I can handle myself hand-to-hand, though I'm not nearly as good as I was many moons ago. I've got a variety of melee weapons around the house, plus some throwing knives and shuriken and a throwing axe that I pretty much suck at using. All my weapons are functional, though - none of those limited edition crap things made for hanging on the wall. The only one I ever actually use for more than practice is my machete, which I keep real, real sharp and sometimes use around the yard.

I've only been in a couple tussles since high school, and all of them were to protect someone else or - in one instance - to soundly thrash someone who had hurt someone I cared about. That was the one time I ever started a fight, but I don't feel bad about it, given the circumstances. The last time I got in a real fight (i.e., not a dojo match or competition) and the first time in about 20 years, was last fall. I saw some punk physically abusing his girlfriend and I stepped in. He threw the first punch, and I got tagged one real good one, but at the end I was standing and he wasn't. I felt like shit afterward - not used to that adrenaline rush, I got the runs, plus I got some minor injuries I didn't even realize I'd sustained until after the rush was over. But, it was nice to know I could still handle myself.

Anyhow, as to the "hardcore" - I figure it's never a bad thing to know about fighting or about weapons, just in case it ever comes in handy. Plus, like I said before, a lot of the knowledge is just geekery, from doing the martial arts training and SCA and studying fighting history.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Pulse Rifle

http://www.m41a.com/a_2005/articles/gallery/dupont.jpg

[Noah Johnson]

On unarmed (and armed, really) combat, I've been aware for a few years that I need to get back into t'ai chi training. I've always had a knack for picking up martial arts, but I was best at t'ai chi. Doing it the first time was like remembering.

I've noticed that in martial arts circles, there tend to be two schools of thought about t'ai chi. There's the guys who think it's not a fighting art, and there's the guys who've tried themselves against a t'ai chi expert. They're never the same guys.

Unfortunately, I'm way too broke to get decent training right now. Alas.

[JeffreyWKramer]

On unarmed (and armed, really) combat, I've been aware for a few years that I need to get back into t'ai chi training. I've always had a knack for picking up martial arts, but I was best at t'ai chi. Doing it the first time was like remembering.

I've noticed that in martial arts circles, there tend to be two schools of thought about t'ai chi. There's the guys who think it's not a fighting art, and there's the guys who've tried themselves against a t'ai chi expert. They're never the same guys.

Unfortunately, I'm way too broke to get decent training right now. Alas.

Tai chi is taught in different forms. Some forms emphasise the link with traditional wu shu forms and is definitely a fighting art. It just teaches the fighting techniques at reduced-speed, to emphasize grace, artistry and precision. Some other teaching formats really depart from that and just emphasize tai chi as an exercise form, such that it resembles the traditional Chinese fighting arts only slightly more than a tae bo workout resembles actual muay Thai.

[BlairH]

I'm surprised at the lack of love for the Desert Eagle, though. Not that I know a damn thing abut them, but I thought they were highly-regarded.
Highly regarded as a long range target pistol yes. They're not exactly suited to (or even designed for) being used against living targets.

[Forefinger]

And Forefinger already took my follow-up line.
You gotta be quick and insane!

[Cam63]

Pissed off Australians sometimes make effective weapons.

Dunno how cool that makes us.

[JeffreyWKramer]

Pissed off Australians sometimes make effective weapons.

Dunno how cool that makes us.

Don't you fellows, like, hurl wallabies at each other or something like that?

[Erebus]

You gotta be quick and insane!
Insane in the membrane!

[Cam63]

Don't you fellows, like, hurl wallabies at each other or something like that?

I ate kangaroo and didn't chuck.

Does that count ?

[Rachel Grey]

I ate kangaroo and didn't chuck.

Does that count ?

... You ate a roo? Did he give you a pearl necklace?

[Cam63]

Roos aren't known for giving jewellry.