Who is the most mentally unstable Avengers?

[Orion101]

Out of all the hero's who have been in the Avengers roster who has had the biggest issues of mental instablity. Their have been a suprisingly larger number of individuals. When you vote please site your reasons for picking that person. Also who's mental instability had affected and hut the team function the most? Place your vote's people.

[Expletive Deleted]

I'd say Hank Pym. His dysfunctions have a tendency to take on physical form (Ultron, Yellowjacket) and they're pretty much a constant for the character.

Wanda's got the big "event" crazy prize and Sentry has potential, but Hank tops 'em both in sheer volume.

[shaunyc56]

Gotta say Sentry, the guy is a bat**** crazy, schizo, his first reaction is throwing people into the sun if cap isn't there to tell him what to do. That being said, that's why I love Sentry, he's like an Issue of What If? What IF.... Superman was interesting?

[TransformersFan]

Gotta say Sentry, the guy is a bat**** crazy, schizo, his first reaction is throwing people into the sun if cap isn't there to tell him what to do. That being said, that's why I love Sentry, he's like an Issue of What If? What IF.... Superman was interesting?


LOL! Thats great...:D

[mrc1214]

Gotta say Sentry, the guy is a bat**** crazy, schizo, his first reaction is throwing people into the sun if cap isn't there to tell him what to do. That being said, that's why I love Sentry, he's like an Issue of What If? What IF.... Superman was interesting?

I could not agree more with this.

[spidervenom]

I third that

[shaunyc56]

I would love to see a straight up Superhero action-comedy book, like Powerman and Ironfist or Cable and Deadpool only starring...... Sentry and Captain America.

[lament]

I voted for Hank on the basis of longeivity. You think he's all right, and wham! He's crazy again. I do love him.

[trickster]

Gotta say Sentry, the guy is a bat**** crazy, schizo, his first reaction is throwing people into the sun if cap isn't there to tell him what to do. That being said, that's why I love Sentry, he's like an Issue of What If? What IF.... Superman was interesting?

LOL. I'll be the fourth to agree.

I'd say Wanda. Not only did she mess up the whole world, she married a robot. Like Spiderman said "if I married a robot, you'd all be talking behind my back". :D

[Haunt]

i'll go with pym. his brain patterns drove a robot crazy.

[Shellhead]

I picked Sentry, but Hulk should be second-place in this poll. His Jekyll-and-Hyde routine has taken some pretty odd directions over the years, making Wanda and Hank look pretty stable by comparison.

[Albert]

Sentry, Hulk, Wanda, Hank... its like the cast of Cuckoo's Nest. I couldn't decide. There really should be a psych exam before they hand out membership cards.

[Haunt]

Sentry, Hulk, Wanda, Hank... its like the cast of Cuckoo's Nest. I couldn't decide. There really should be a psych exam before they hand out membership cards.


Pym and Hulk were exempt because they were founders. Wanda used her not-chaos-magic to slide by. and the Sentry...well, Bendis is writing.

[Sam T.]

Soo much Pym bashing! He has been stable for a while now. I voted for Scarlet witch...that chick needs help!!

[DDM]

Soo much Pym bashing! He has been stable for a while now. I voted for Scarlet witch...that chick needs help!!

The Scarlet Witch has not been insane since 1989, but Brian Michael Bendis decided to have Wanda go insane for his plot device & sorry story called Avengers Disassembled. The Scarlet Witch--when written in character--is one of the most stable, sane Avengers.

My pick would be Moondragon simply because she refuses to believe she is a mere human rather than the goddess she believes she is. Moondragon enslaved the Babani by telepathically taking away their free will then slew her own father, Drax the Destroyer, simply on the belief she is "right." Thor took Moondragon to Odin for punishment. However, Moondragon's arrogance is what makes her an interesting character.

[Will.S]

Definitely the Sentry.

[Alan2099]

Hank has been normal for the majority of his career. I don't see what the deal with him is.

[Sean Whitmore]

Holy crap, there really have been a lot of bats**t insane Avengers, haven't there? You don't realize it until you see them all listed like that.

Maybe Iron Man has a point about that Act.


SEAN

[Haunt]

Hank has been normal for the majority of his career. I don't see what the deal with him is.


he started his career with a mental breakdown. where have you been?

[Will.S]

he started his career with a mental breakdown. where have you been?
After Sentry I would probably put Hank and Bruce in the same league of crazy with all the personalities/identities going back and forth so much over the years although it seems that the Yellowjacket persona rears its head the most.

[Cavalry Tanker]

At first I thought Sentry, but its gotta be Wanda...no matter how much you like to pretend Avengers Disassembled and House of M didn't happen, they did.

And like previous poster said...she married a robot.

[Orion101]

Holy crap, there really have been a lot of bats**t insane Avengers, haven't there? You don't realize it until you see them all listed like that.




SEAN
Yeah it's really pretty funny when you stop to think about it, a group that is often considered the greatest heroes on Earth has some of the super populations most mentally messed up individuals. The thing is when I initially started this poll I had originally only three selections in mind for voting choices then I got to thinking about which heroes have been on the team and the list just kept getting bigger. :confused:

Maybe Iron Man has a point about that Act. SEAN

Maybe but you if you notice he's on that list too, so that should tell you something. ;)

[Kirk G]

Sentry, Hulk, Wanda, Hank... its like the cast of Cuckoo's Nest. I couldn't decide. There really should be a psych exam before they hand out membership cards.
Or a loyalty oath...."I, (state your name), do hereby promise not to betray the Avengers, given them over to their arch-enemy, or try to kill them once they accept me into their mansion."


Personally, I'd say anyone with any of Magneto's dna in them is likely to be unhinged.... sheesh... imagine calling yourself "the Brotherhood of EVIL mutants!" Indeed!:D

Upon some reflection, I would suggest that Hank's mental problems may have appeared about issue #59-60, but the suggestion is that he had suffered his breakdown earlier, when creating Ultron and getting zapped by him. I would argue that if Immortus couldn't disrupt the Avengers through time-travel in the first 16 issues, he certainly might have tried to drive them crazy or split them up as best he could... witness the Hulk's leaving in issue #2... the occassional fight with Thor in the earliest issues (#8? was it?)... and why not subtly fidgit with Hank's serum back when he was popping pills or breathing gases to try to unhinge him? After all, he WAS the one who plucked Captain America from the frozen arctic waters, as we have seen over and over again!

I say, Immortus/Kang is behind all this insanity!:rolleyes:

[Sean Whitmore]

I say, Immortus/Kang is behind all this insanity!:rolleyes:


Space Phantoms!


SEAN

[Phrozen]

At first I thought Sentry, but its gotta be Wanda...no matter how much you like to pretend Avengers Disassembled and House of M didn't happen, they did.

And like previous poster said...she married a robot.

Not a robot a synthoid.

Anyway, it isn't Wanda because I don't consider Out of Character periods to actually count and Wanda has been OOC since Disassembled.

[Bobster777]

After what Wanda did during Disassembled and HOM, I have to give the prize to her.

[Loestal]

I have a hard time giving this award to anyone other than Sentry after reading his entire mini.

[saintsaucey]

And once again Bendis gets no love. Except from me. Bendis is one of the reasons I read so many comics. I got into Daredevil because of him and I started picking up just about everything of his i could find. I know evryone thinks is represents everything that is wrong with comics but i love his work. Wanda and Peitro have both always been complete nutjobs. with they first appeared no one knew weather they were brother and sister or lovers. a topic which has further been explorred in the ultimates.

wanda has always been a complete nut job


wanda
sentry
peitro
hank
hulk
wolverine

[Sam T.]

And once again Bendis gets no love. Except from me. Bendis is one of the reasons I read so many comics. I got into Daredevil because of him and I started picking up just about everything of his i could find. I know evryone thinks is represents everything that is wrong with comics but i love his work. Wanda and Peitro have both always been complete nutjobs. with they first appeared no one knew weather they were brother and sister or lovers. a topic which has further been explorred in the ultimates.

wanda has always been a complete nut job


wanda
sentry
peitro
hank
hulk
wolverine


I have much love for Bendis!!:D

[saintsaucey]

yay someone who agrees with me

[Sean Whitmore]

yay someone who agrees with me


Is it okay if I half-agree, half-disagree with you? ;)

I quite like Bendis.

Wanda should totally not be crazy.


SEAN

[Babylon23]

I'm surprised Wolverine wasn't in the list. He's been crazy for a long time.

Anyway, I don't count Wanda's craziness. I try to wipe Avengers Disassembled out of my memory.

Sentry bores me to tears, so I haven't read his latest miniseries. I don't know how crazy he is, although his Miracleman-style story from the first miniseries suggests a level of crazy.

Hulk gets my vote for sheer longevity and destructive influence. He's been rampaging since the 60's, has destroyed whole cities, fluctuates between mindless monster, savage monster, wise-cracking monster, and intelligent monster. Even when Banner was in charge, there was still this sense that he could lose it and go nuts at any time.

[Young Avenger]

I'm going with the Sentry. You have to be messed up in the head if you are your own arch nemesis, Can't tell if sudden events in your life happened or not, and kissing yourself before sent him to his death.

[Christopher O]

Wanda wins for having a borderline incestuous relationship with her brother, marrying a robot, magically creating a couple of kids for herself, single-handedly kicking the collective asses of the Avengers (including screwing over her robot husband), completely altering reality to fit her "daddy's" desires, and finally, for throwing a big hissy and wiping out 99% of the mutant population. Hulk, Hank, and the Sentry have all done some crazy things, but Wanda's got them when it comes to scale (and creepiness).

[Will.S]

Regarding Wanda, I know this'll probably incite riots on the streets of CBR and all I but don't really have much problems admitting that she's part of the "crazy group" for several reasons:

- Her "choas magic" is as unpredictable as it implies.

- I like that too much use of it adversely affects her and her sanity thus also affecting reality around her.

- The splash pages in Disassembled show Wanda using her powers so many times in the past that there are times and places from where Disassembled could have stemmed from (just ignoring the whole kids deal). It even showed the JLA/Avengers crossover with Scarlet Witch tapping into DC's vast magic energies so one has to wonder if she really kept everything as in control as she has over the years.

[Kaos]

wanda got my vote..c'mon a robot....and then she complained cos the kids didn't work out geez ain she heard of a damn sperm donor

[Subotai]

Sentry is way too obviously unstable. Those aren't the guys you have to watch out for. It's the one on your team who gets that certain look in his or her eye, the rapid blinking...I say Wanda. She is far too stable than she has a right to be, Disassembled notwithstanding. I mean, didn't she wonder where the heck those kids came from?

[Sean Whitmore]

geez ain she heard of a damn sperm donor


Who's she gonna ask? All of her teammates are friggin' insane! :D


SEAN

[Kaos]

she could ask piotr..swear he'd jump at the chance...meh so what if the kids disfigured...she married a robot

[Jeff-E]

I gotta go with Hulk, first he's got the metality of a thug, and is really strong, then his crazy ass gets dumbed down and gets uber-strong, then he looses it and becomes a thug again, then something else in his mind breaks and he goes to a "banner"version for about 5 minutes, then he gets the crazies again and calls himself Mr.Fixit, and that's just some of his personalities during the first 20 years. I mean really how many people are in his noggin? Wanda I've got a semi-incestious relationship with my brother-Maximoff comes in second. I can forgive the HoM, killing your friends making a alternate reality no more mutants thing, but incest, come on. Then Sentry, then Namor.

[Albert]

S'funny, but I never thought of Namor as being mentally unstable. Volatile and arrogant, sure, but I guess I chalk his eccentricities up to the fact that he's royalty. It's good to be the king.

[Orion101]

S'funny, but I never thought of Namor as being mentally unstable. Volatile and arrogant, sure, but I guess I chalk his eccentricities up to the fact that he's royalty. It's good to be the king.
Recent years have retconned his behaviour as being the result of a chemical imbalance in his brain. Due to his hybrid amphibous nature if he's out of the water or under the water for too long he will become mentally unstable and be prone to violent moodswings. This was an atempt at writers to exlain his previous destruction and overly violent behaviour.
By the way what's this I hear about Wanda with a history of borderline incest with her brother, before Ultimate Line I never saw any evidence of this. Can someone site some examples of this.

[Sean Whitmore]

S'funny, but I never thought of Namor as being mentally unstable. Volatile and arrogant, sure, but I guess I chalk his eccentricities up to the fact that he's royalty. It's good to be the king.


John Byrne actually came up with an explanation for Namor's mood swings. Something about him being half human and half Atlantean, and how spending too much time in either environment (the surface or underwater) would...I dunno, make him crazy, or something.

EDIT: Nevermind, Orion said it better. :)


SEAN

[StoneGold]

S'funny, but I never thought of Namor as being mentally unstable. Volatile and arrogant, sure, but I guess I chalk his eccentricities up to the fact that he's royalty. It's good to be the king.
Byrne basically established that Namor was bi-polar, which explains the occasional attack on the surface world.

[Albert]

Seems like an explanation where one was not needed. It seemed to me that Namor always had his reasons for attacking the surface, at least in the early FF stories where he thought that Atlantis had been destroyed by underwater atomic testing.

[Agentum]

But Namor is not very stable either and has not been since the 60s, one week he helps the heroes and the next he attacking them and is invading a country.

[Bobster777]

But Namor is not very stable either and has not been since the 60s, one week he helps the heroes and the next he attacking them and is invading a country.
With Namor though, Atlantis is always his first priority. If he feels that Atlantis is being threatened, he'll attack. I don't know if that is mental instability, or just overzealousness in protecting his home.

[Agentum]

Depends if you should belive in the Earth X story, saying that he is basicly mad becase he is a halfbreed and need to be equal amount of time in water and air to be sane.:)

[Bobster777]

Depends if you should belive in the Earth X story, saying that he is basicly mad becase he is a halfbreed and need to be equal amount of time in water and air to be sane.:)
I already took that into account. Didn't you know that Namor has a house in the Hamptons that he stays in six months of the year. :D

[Agentum]

No, but that's good for him i guess.:)

[Deadpooligan]

Have you all forgotten D-Man??

He's the craziest of all. Hopped up on meds, stealing jewels and running through a sewer, hallucinating about a cosmic game master, AND he wears ripoffs of Daredevil's and Wolverine's costumes.

That's silly.

[Albert]

Have you all forgotten D-Man??

I've tried, honestly I have.

He's the craziest of all. Hopped up on meds, stealing jewels and running through a sewer, hallucinating about a cosmic game master, AND he wears ripoffs of Daredevil's and Wolverine's costumes.

That's silly.

You're right. But at least he was a harmless kind of crazy.

[Micro]

If Bendis is writing - Scarlet Witch
Most mentally unstable "New" Avenger- Sentry
Based off collecitive history of Avengers- Namor then maybe Quicksilver

[Christopher O]

she could ask piotr..swear he'd jump at the chance...meh so what if the kids disfigured...she married a robot
I assume you meant Pietro. Piotr is Colossus from the X-Men.

[moonknight2099]

I'd say hands down its Wanda. Before HOM and disassembled she was nuts. She has turned on the Avengers many times past. After her I'd say Hulk, Senty then Pym.

[Haunt]

Sentry is way too obviously unstable. Those aren't the guys you have to watch out for. It's the one on your team who gets that certain look in his or her eye, the rapid blinking...

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[DDM]

wanda got my vote..c'mon a robot....and then she complained cos the kids didn't work out geez ain she heard of a damn sperm donor

The Vision is not a robot; he is a synthoid or synthetic human. The Vision's body mimics most human functions. The Vision has also lead the Avengers for a long period of time when Captain America was absent.

[Babylon23]

I'd say hands down its Wanda. Before HOM and disassembled she was nuts. She has turned on the Avengers many times past. After her I'd say Hulk, Senty then Pym.

Actually, before Disassembled, she was completely stable, had come to terms with the loss of her children, was slowly reconciling with her husband, was co-leader of the team with Captain America, and was considered to be one of the most stable and dependable Avengers.

If Disassembled had occurred shortly after Byrne's run on WCA, I would have agreed entirely. She was completely unstable at that point. Bendis just chose to ignore 10 years of character development in writing Disassembled and House of M.

I agree entirely with your assessment of Hulk and Pym.

[Babylon23]

Damnable double posts.

[Subotai]

The Vision is not a robot; he is a synthoid or synthetic human. The Vision's body mimics most human functions.

Serious question - is that how they explained Wanda's successful pregnancy?

[pharoahe22]

I'd have to give it to the Sentry. He's just plain crazy lol. How come no one mentioned Moon Knight and his four personalities? I always thought it was funny that Moon Knight and the Sentry, Marvel's versions of Batman and Superman, are both completely bat**** insane. I think they should do a mini about them, called "Sunrise and Nightfall" or something, and explore how really crazy they are, and how they are different from their DC counterparts. Sentry's my number one pick though, then Moon Knight, then Wanda's crazy ass lol

[BeastieRunner]

I went with Scarlet Witch because of how huge her deep-end moments are. Namor takes second in my mind do to his flip flopping from hero to foe. Sentry would be third on my list. I love this post about Sentry: Gotta say Sentry, the guy is a bat**** crazy, schizo, his first reaction is throwing people into the sun if [C]ap isn't there to tell him what to do. That being said, that's why I love Sentry, he's like an Issue of What If? What IF.... Superman was interesting?

Fourth would have to go Quicksilver and then Hulk.

Magneto's spawns sure show up a lot in the crazy department.

[Babylon23]

Serious question - is that how they explained Wanda's successful pregnancy?

In the Vision and the Scarlet Witch miniseries in the 80's, Wanda absorbed the magical energy of an entire community of witches. She then used that huge magical boost to enhance her own probability-altering abilities (this was before the reality-altering retcon) to inpregnate herself.

Later, during Byrne's run on WCA, it was retconned in that Wanda had created the children using 2 fragments of Mephisto's soul. Mephisto used Master Pandemonium to track the fragments down, and when MP absorbed the fragment into himself (and therefore back to Mephisto), the children were seemingly lost forever.

Now, of course, the children have shown up in Young Avengers.

[Subotai]

Thanks for that. I actually followed WCA back in the day when the Thing hooked up with them briefly, and remember Pandemonium, but didn't stick around long enough.

[Tommy]

The Vision is not a robot; he is a synthoid or synthetic human. The Vision's body mimics most human functions. The Vision has also lead the Avengers for a long period of time when Captain America was absent.
In other words... he is a robot. A sophisticated robot, but a robot.

[DDM]

In other words... he is a robot. A sophisticated robot, but a robot.

No. The Vision has emotions & his own distinctive personality; it's why the Scarlet Witch fell in love with him. The Vision is not a robot. You should track down The Vision & Scarlet Witch #1-12 in which Steve Englheart shows the Vision is not a robot when he compares himself to robot versions of the original Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. There is no comparison. The Vision is a sentient synthetic human.

[Tommy]

No. The Vision has emotions & his own distinctive personality;
Which has no bearing on him being a robot...

The Vision is not a robot.
Yes he is. If he has circuits it makes him a computer. If he has moveable parts it makes him a robot.

ro·bot P Pronunciation Key (rbt, -bt)
n.
1. A mechanical device that sometimes resembles a human and is capable of performing a variety of often complex human tasks on command or by being programmed in advance.

[DDM]

Which has no bearing on him being a robot...


Yes he is. If he has circuits it makes him a computer. If he has moveable parts it makes him a robot.

ro·bot P Pronunciation Key (rbt, -bt)
n.
1. A mechanical device that sometimes resembles a human and is capable of performing a variety of often complex human tasks on command or by being programmed in advance.

No. As I said, track down Vision & Scarlet Witch #1-12. The Vision has a soul that makes him separate from any robot. Unlike robots, the Vision is sentient, alive for all intents & purposes.

[phantom1592]

Gotta go pym. The costume changes, Ultron, the wife beating, attacking Captain America last Avengers issue..... He's been nuts for a long time with moments of sanity

[phantom1592]

No. The Vision has emotions & his own distinctive personality; it's why the Scarlet Witch fell in love with him. The Vision is not a robot. You should track down The Vision & Scarlet Witch #1-12 in which Steve Englheart shows the Vision is not a robot when he compares himself to robot versions of the original Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. There is no comparison. The Vision is a sentient synthetic human.

Then Ultron wouldn't be a robot either. They both had the brainwaves/emotions copied from a Human (wonderman and Pym respectively)

[DDM]

Then Ultron wouldn't be a robot either. They both had the brainwaves/emotions copied from a Human (wonderman and Pym respectively)

Ultron is the alter ego of Henry Pym essetially Pym's dark side...

However, Ulton is a robot.

[phantom1592]

What's the difference?


Pym used Wonderman's Engram things to make Vision, And he used his own to make Ultron. It's like same Chip in their heads.

[Hi-Fi]

Sersi was completely loony at her last year as an avenger.

[DDM]

What's the difference?


Pym used Wonderman's Engram things to make Vision, And he used his own to make Ultron. It's like same Chip in their heads.

The Vision is completely unique aside from him being remade from the original Human Torch "android" who is more human than any robot.

[Tommy]

No. As I said, track down Vision & Scarlet Witch #1-12. The Vision has a soul that makes him separate from any robot. Unlike robots, the Vision is sentient, alive for all intents & purposes.
And when exactly did the Vision get a soul? Please post scans. Unless you mean the brain patterns. Which of course are not a soul at all. They are programming.

Even if he has a soul it STILL does not change the fact that he is a robot. There is no way around that fact.

[Babylon23]

Marvel distinguishes between robot and synthezoids. They identify synthezoids as artificially-constructed beings whose parts perfectly mimic human organs. Androids/robots are your usual wires and circuits kind of artificial beings.

Vision got his "soul" when Ultron created him, and based his brain patterns on Wonder Man's. However, the Vision developed his own distinct personality, and a full range of human emotions. He made a big leap forward at the conclusion to the Unlimited Vision storyline in Avengers #252 when he removed the control crystal that was inhibiting his emotional growth. During the V&tSW miniseries that followed, he moved even further forward, developing full family ties. This was then undone during Vision Quest in WCA 42-50.

Anyway, Marvel writers have always identified Vision as having a soul, usually based on him possessing a full range of human emotions and his own sense of morality and heroism. The fact that he could actually fall in love with the Scarlet Witch is seen as an indicator of this.

Basically, Marvel uses the whole "it's what's inside that counts" argument.

[Haunt]

Marvel distinguishes between robot and synthezoids. They identify synthezoids as artificially-constructed beings whose parts perfectly mimic human organs. Androids/robots are your usual wires and circuits kind of artificial beings.

Vision got his "soul" when Ultron created him, and based his brain patterns on Wonder Man's. However, the Vision developed his own distinct personality, and a full range of human emotions. He made a big leap forward at the conclusion to the Unlimited Vision storyline in Avengers #252 when he removed the control crystal that was inhibiting his emotional growth. During the V&tSW miniseries that followed, he moved even further forward, developing full family ties. This was then undone during Vision Quest in WCA 42-50.

Anyway, Marvel writers have always identified Vision as having a soul, usually based on him possessing a full range of human emotions and his own sense of morality and heroism. The fact that he could actually fall in love with the Scarlet Witch is seen as an indicator of this.

Basically, Marvel uses the whole "it's what's inside that counts" argument.


Jim Hammond is called an android. did Jim Hammond have a soul?

[Babylon23]

Jim Hammond is called an android. did Jim Hammond have a soul?

Good question. I haven't read enough stories involving Hammond to know.

The soul thing came up with the Vision because it was such a big focus point for his character. In the 60's, he was doing the whole Data Star Trek thing. In the 70's, it was pivotal to his questioning his feeling for Wanda. In the 80's, it was all about family.

[Sean Whitmore]

Jim Hammond is called an android. did Jim Hammond have a soul?


And then there's Machine Man. I don't know what he's most often referred to, but when you stop to think about it, that's a LOT of MU scientists creating life.


SEAN

[Babylon23]

And then there's Machine Man. I don't know what he's most often referred to, but when you stop to think about it, that's a LOT of MU scientists creating life.


SEAN

True. Machine Man in his earlier appearances was similr to Vision in the 60's. He was trying to learn what it is to be human. There was a lot of metaphysical questioning, and at least one encounter with the 2001: A Space Odyssey monolith.

Don't know what he's like these days. I don't read Next Wave.

[Mississippienne]

On the bat**** crazy scale, I don't think you're going to be able to top Sentry. Agoraphobic and schizophrenic -- and that's before he took the freaky drugs. He's his own worst enemy. And his relationship with the Void is just seventeen layers of wrong. Say what you will about Hank Pym, he never made out with himself.

[Haunt]

On the bat**** crazy scale, I don't think you're going to be able to top Sentry. Agoraphobic and schizophrenic -- and that's before he took the freaky drugs. He's his own worst enemy. And his relationship with the Void is just seventeen layers of wrong. Say what you will about Hank Pym, he never made out with himself.

no, he made out with a woman (10 years his junior) who looked exactly like his dead wife. and then the robot with his brain patterns used (his "mother")Janet Van Dyne's brain patterns to create Jocasta.

it should also be noted that, on more than one occassion, he gene-spliced Janet with an insect. so hank obviously likes doing it with bugs. or barbie dolls. you be the judge.
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[Alan2099]

I really don't see how anybody here competes with the Hulk. The Hulk has hundreds of multiple personalities running loose in his head and any of those personalities outright hate each other and want to kill one another, if not everyone around them as well.

[Bobster777]

I really don't see how anybody here competes with the Hulk. The Hulk has hundreds of multiple personalities running loose in his head and any of those personalities outright hate each other and want to kill one another, if not everyone around them as well.
Good point. But then again, Sentry has another persona running around that can pretty much tear everyone apart (including the Hulk).

[PrimalScream]

vison use to go abit over the edge back in the day. but hank actually thought he killed giantman (himself) now that really is bat**** crazy.

[Tommy]

They identify synthezoids as artificially-constructed beings whose parts perfectly mimic human organs.
Well that is a pretty silly way to make a robot. Why would the Vision need respiratory, circulatory, or digestive systems?

But yeah. It still leaves him as a robot. Circuitry, plus moving mechanical parts means robot.

[Alan2099]

Good point. But then again, Sentry has another persona running around that can pretty much tear everyone apart (including the Hulk).
True, but even then it's still just one basica personality. Devil Hulk might not be more powerful, but he's more evil.
Then of course there's the pure animilistic Hulk that destroys everything it comes across and tons more.

[DDM]

Well that is a pretty silly way to make a robot. Why would the Vision need respiratory, circulatory, or digestive systems?

But yeah. It still leaves him as a robot. Circuitry, plus moving mechanical parts means robot.


No, a synthoid is not a robot. Reread Babylon23's answer. How many more times in different ways do you need you need to read it? The Vision is not a robot. He never was & never will be a robot.

[phantom1592]

No, a synthoid is not a robot. Reread Babylon23's answer. How many more times in different ways do you need you need to read it? The Vision is not a robot. He never was & never will be a robot.


I don't buy it. We've seen the vision deconstructed. there were no intestines or Hearts or other "organs. He DOES have emotions, Nobody denied that, but they are based off of Wonderman's brain. The fact that he fell in love means nothing, since those were the same thing that Wonder man did with SW. The emotions were the same. He changed and grew seperate as time goes by the same as any clone would.

People are reading too much into "terms" Android, Synthectic, Robot... they all mean the same thing. Just variations of robots.

[Tommy]

No, a synthoid is not a robot. Reread Babylon23's answer. How many more times in different ways do you need you need to read it? The Vision is not a robot. He never was & never will be a robot.
Actually you are showing full scale ignorance. You have YET to prove he is in any way shape or form not a robot. Even if he has stuff that mimics organs, they are still not organs. They are devices. They are not even organic.

Lets start at the beginning. Is the Vision Human? No. He does not have human DNA.

Is the Vision alive? Well he has no cells, no genetic make up, he can't die, he can't grow, (depending upon your view of things) he can't reproduce. So he is not alive.

Does the Vision contain circuits? Yes. We see them when he phases.

Does the Vision have complex movable parts that preform tasks? Yes.

There fore the Vision is a robot.

Now PLEASE prove he is not if you are going to keep up this silly little game. Saying he is not a robot is not proof he is not a robot.

[Orion101]

Actually you are showing full scale ignorance. You have YET to prove he is in any way shape or form not a robot. Even if he has stuff that mimics organs, they are still not organs. They are devices. They are not even organic.

Lets start at the beginning. Is the Vision Human? No. He does not have human DNA.

Is the Vision alive? Well he has no cells, no genetic make up, he can't die, he can't grow, (depending upon your view of things) he can't reproduce. So he is not alive.

Actually I think you may need to rephrase your stance on the Vision not being alive, he's not organic true and he has no blood or organs but their are alien species in the Marvel universe that fit that description. As a matter of fact their are real life species on earth that fit most of that description. Plus I'm pretty sure the Vision can die just not as easilly as a human can. The vision may not be a biological life form but in terms of sentience he is alive.

Does the Vision contain circuits? Yes. We see them when he phases.

Does the Vision have complex movable parts that preform tasks? Yes.

There fore the Vision is a robot.

Now PLEASE prove he is not if you are going to keep up this silly little game. Saying he is not a robot is not proof he is not a robot.
I will admit that these parts are also true, although you have to rember in fandom some terms that started out essentially being the same thing evolve into entirly different uses. most fans today use robot as a way to describe essentially primitive non sentient machines that do as you described and only perform preprogramed tasks. The Vision however has advanced far beyond that as he can not only learn but concieve ideas on his own has creative imagination and real emotions. That is where Robot ends and Android or synthezoid as some call him begins. Saying The Vision is a robot is like saying humans are animals, from a scientific stance both are true, but from a philosophical stance they are open to question.

[phantom1592]

Here's a question. When Vision was downloaded into the Avengers Computer, what would you have called him then? He didn't even have a body! He was a series of Programs and a hologram projector. At that point he wouldn't have been a Robot either, but he was farther from being "alive" then ever.

Also when he was taken apart and then reassembled without Wonder Man's brainwaves. He was a completly different character. Where was this "soul" that people keep talking about? He has since regained his memories and such, did the soul magically reappear?

Isn't he inside Iron-lad's armor of Young Avengers? This should really have some kind of bearing on the Series of Programs vs. unique life debate.

[jsg2295]

Iron man is a complete loony and I will tell you why.
1. He hates women..everytime you read about Stark you hear see another sexual conquest he has done. Heck in the last issue of Civil war he talks about his little "arrangement" with the white queen. I wont point out the obvious for our underage readers but this doesnt bring up the 100's of other sexual conquests that IM has had. A man who has had this many encounters doesnt love women. Neither does James Bond for that matter.
2. He is an alcoholic. This man has been shown to operate the Iron man armor while having been drinking. You arent allowed to drive a car much less operate a thermonuclear device that Stark uses every day.
3. He uses his money to buy his way out of most anything. How many times have the Avengers gone in full bore, smashed a lot of property and at the end ol IM says just send the bill to Stark. This isnt so bad but shows characteristics of his megalomanic side that are coming out in Civil War.
4. A rash of impulsiveness as a result of being spoiled most of his adult life. Civil war being the most perfect example. Not only unmasking and putting most of his employees in danger, but somehow convicing Spiderman to do this also!!! Now ol Stark can weather this spell but Spidey can't and wont. Tony even went so far as to put Spidey on the hero hunting squad. He has backed Peter in a corner for which I see no way Peter can get out of short of another alias.
5. Hes a conniving little s@#t. Take the last example. I am sure that once spidey came to the Avengers ol shellhead made a complete dossier on Spidey and knew about his past (ala Batman). I believe Peter looks at Tony as a father figure because of the absence of his real father and the violent death of his Uncle for which he (Parker) is partly responsible for. At least I hope that is the reason that Peter made this bone headed decision to reveal his id. I think Tony capatilized on this. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that Tony made Jarvis go out with Aunt May in an effort to ingratiate the Parkers into convincing Peter to do what Stark tells him to do. (Actually I would be).
6. He doesnt look crazy. He is handsome, rich, and seemingly in control. Everyone else on the list is recognized for doing things a little batty...Scarlet Witch, Pym, etc...But no one really knows about Stark.
These are just some of the points I can make about the weapon-manufacturing playboy.

[Haunt]

Iron man is a complete loony and I will tell you why.
1. He hates women..everytime you read about Stark you hear see another sexual conquest he has done. Heck in the last issue of Civil war he talks about his little "arrangement" with the white queen. I wont point out the obvious for our underage readers but this doesnt bring up the 100's of other sexual conquests that IM has had. A man who has had this many encounters doesnt love women. Neither does James Bond for that matter.
2. He is an alcoholic. This man has been shown to operate the Iron man armor while having been drinking. You arent allowed to drive a car much less operate a thermonuclear device that Stark uses every day.
3. He uses his money to buy his way out of most anything. How many times have the Avengers gone in full bore, smashed a lot of property and at the end ol IM says just send the bill to Stark. This isnt so bad but shows characteristics of his megalomanic side that are coming out in Civil War.
4. A rash of impulsiveness as a result of being spoiled most of his adult life. Civil war being the most perfect example. Not only unmasking and putting most of his employees in danger, but somehow convicing Spiderman to do this also!!! Now ol Stark can weather this spell but Spidey can't and wont. Tony even went so far as to put Spidey on the hero hunting squad. He has backed Peter in a corner for which I see no way Peter can get out of short of another alias.
5. Hes a conniving little s@#t. Take the last example. I am sure that once spidey came to the Avengers ol shellhead made a complete dossier on Spidey and knew about his past (ala Batman). I believe Peter looks at Tony as a father figure because of the absence of his real father and the violent death of his Uncle for which he (Parker) is partly responsible for. At least I hope that is the reason that Peter made this bone headed decision to reveal his id. I think Tony capatilized on this. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that Tony made Jarvis go out with Aunt May in an effort to ingratiate the Parkers into convincing Peter to do what Stark tells him to do. (Actually I would be).
6. He doesnt look crazy. He is handsome, rich, and seemingly in control. Everyone else on the list is recognized for doing things a little batty...Scarlet Witch, Pym, etc...But no one really knows about Stark.
These are just some of the points I can make about the weapon-manufacturing playboy.

why do you hate freedom?

[phantom1592]

Iron man is a complete loony and I will tell you why.
1. He hates women..everytime you read about Stark you hear see another sexual conquest he has done. Heck in the last issue of Civil war he talks about his little "arrangement" with the white queen. I wont point out the obvious for our underage readers but this doesnt bring up the 100's of other sexual conquests that IM has had. A man who has had this many encounters doesnt love women. Neither does James Bond for that matter.
2. He is an alcoholic. This man has been shown to operate the Iron man armor while having been drinking. You arent allowed to drive a car much less operate a thermonuclear device that Stark uses every day.
3. He uses his money to buy his way out of most anything. How many times have the Avengers gone in full bore, smashed a lot of property and at the end ol IM says just send the bill to Stark. This isnt so bad but shows characteristics of his megalomanic side that are coming out in Civil War.
4. A rash of impulsiveness as a result of being spoiled most of his adult life. Civil war being the most perfect example. Not only unmasking and putting most of his employees in danger, but somehow convicing Spiderman to do this also!!! Now ol Stark can weather this spell but Spidey can't and wont. Tony even went so far as to put Spidey on the hero hunting squad. He has backed Peter in a corner for which I see no way Peter can get out of short of another alias.
5. Hes a conniving little s@#t. Take the last example. I am sure that once spidey came to the Avengers ol shellhead made a complete dossier on Spidey and knew about his past (ala Batman). I believe Peter looks at Tony as a father figure because of the absence of his real father and the violent death of his Uncle for which he (Parker) is partly responsible for. At least I hope that is the reason that Peter made this bone headed decision to reveal his id. I think Tony capatilized on this. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that Tony made Jarvis go out with Aunt May in an effort to ingratiate the Parkers into convincing Peter to do what Stark tells him to do. (Actually I would be).
6. He doesnt look crazy. He is handsome, rich, and seemingly in control. Everyone else on the list is recognized for doing things a little batty...Scarlet Witch, Pym, etc...But no one really knows about Stark.
These are just some of the points I can make about the weapon-manufacturing playboy.


Well.... You make decent arguments for him being a jerk. Maybe even Evil. Not sure about crazy though. He has the money to buy his way out of problems, can have any women he wants and can make people do what he wills....



I'd like to order a straight-jacket. XXL please :D

[Babylon23]

My earlier post was based on how Marvel interprets their different life forms. They've always distinguished Synthezoids from robots in the manner I described. The Vision is most definitely an artifical lifeform. But then again, so is Adam Warlock, but I don't think anybody questions whether he's alive or not.

Anyway, I suppose it all depends on how you define "life". As I said, the Vision has always been described as "alive" and possessing a "soul" by writers. Usually, this has been defined as having independent thought, feelings and emotions, similar to the Descartian view of life. By the Marvel definition, the Vision is alive.

I tend to agree. Even if his thought patterns were originally based on Wonder Man, the fact is that he has evolved over time into an individual, with his own distinct personality. He and Wonder Man are completely different individuals. That's enough for me.

[jsg2295]

why do you hate freedom?
Change freedom to Iron man.

[jsg2295]

Well.... You make decent arguments for him being a jerk. Maybe even Evil. Not sure about crazy though. He has the money to buy his way out of problems, can have any women he wants and can make people do what he wills....



I'd like to order a straight-jacket. XXL please :D
He is one step from megalomania if he hasnt already crossed the line.:eek:

[Alan2099]

One step from it is nothing when you've got Avengers that already have crossed that line.

[jsg2295]

Who says he hasnt...DUM DUM DE DUM DUM:eek:

[Bobster777]

Who says he hasnt...DUM DUM DE DUM DUM:eek:
As of this moment, he hasn't been shown to cross any lines. So...

[Tommy]

Actually I think you may need to rephrase your stance on the Vision not being alive, he's not organic true and he has no blood or organs but their are alien species in the Marvel universe that fit that description. As a matter of fact their are real life species on earth that fit most of that description. Plus I'm pretty sure the Vision can die just not as easilly as a human can. The vision may not be a biological life form but in terms of sentience he is alive.
Ahh I bask in the glow of your intelligence.

While there are various forms of life that have neither blood nor organs (and some that could be considered inorganic), all life has certain commonalities. The Vision was never born, he was built. He can't die, only be deactivated. While death does not act in a typical manor in comics he is certainly not going to be visited by Mistress Death any time soon. He cannot grow. In order to have children his wife magiced them up. And with all the subsequent ret-cons it seems now that she was really both the father and the mother of those children. The Vision fails to fall into many of the categories that biologists use to determine if something is alive.

Yes he is sentient. And that is why we have handy terms like "Artificial Intelligence."


I will admit that these parts are also true, although you have to rember in fandom some terms that started out essentially being the same thing evolve into entirly different uses. most fans today use robot as a way to describe essentially primitive non sentient machines that do as you described and only perform preprogramed tasks. The Vision however has advanced far beyond that as he can not only learn but concieve ideas on his own has creative imagination and real emotions. That is where Robot ends and Android or synthezoid as some call him begins. Saying The Vision is a robot is like saying humans are animals, from a scientific stance both are true, but from a philosophical stance they are open to question.
Well that would make Synthezoid a subset of Robot. All marionettes are puppets and all that jazz.

[shaunyc56]

Iron man is a complete loony and I will tell you why.
1. He hates women..everytime you read about Stark you hear see another sexual conquest he has done. Heck in the last issue of Civil war he talks about his little "arrangement" with the white queen. I wont point out the obvious for our underage readers but this doesnt bring up the 100's of other sexual conquests that IM has had. A man who has had this many encounters doesnt love women. Neither does James Bond for that matter.
2. He is an alcoholic. This man has been shown to operate the Iron man armor while having been drinking. You arent allowed to drive a car much less operate a thermonuclear device that Stark uses every day.
3. He uses his money to buy his way out of most anything. How many times have the Avengers gone in full bore, smashed a lot of property and at the end ol IM says just send the bill to Stark. This isnt so bad but shows characteristics of his megalomanic side that are coming out in Civil War.
4. A rash of impulsiveness as a result of being spoiled most of his adult life. Civil war being the most perfect example. Not only unmasking and putting most of his employees in danger, but somehow convicing Spiderman to do this also!!! Now ol Stark can weather this spell but Spidey can't and wont. Tony even went so far as to put Spidey on the hero hunting squad. He has backed Peter in a corner for which I see no way Peter can get out of short of another alias.
5. Hes a conniving little s@#t. Take the last example. I am sure that once spidey came to the Avengers ol shellhead made a complete dossier on Spidey and knew about his past (ala Batman). I believe Peter looks at Tony as a father figure because of the absence of his real father and the violent death of his Uncle for which he (Parker) is partly responsible for. At least I hope that is the reason that Peter made this bone headed decision to reveal his id. I think Tony capatilized on this. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that Tony made Jarvis go out with Aunt May in an effort to ingratiate the Parkers into convincing Peter to do what Stark tells him to do. (Actually I would be).
6. He doesnt look crazy. He is handsome, rich, and seemingly in control. Everyone else on the list is recognized for doing things a little batty...Scarlet Witch, Pym, etc...But no one really knows about Stark.
These are just some of the points I can make about the weapon-manufacturing playboy.

I'm no fan of Iron Man, I think he's a pretty boy who built himself a toy to fight crime instead of putting in some physical training. I'm in full agreement w/ you on your last 3 points. However on your first 2 your setting a bad precedent, just because someone likes to enjoy themselves physically and isn't able to make emotional connections, (no time, dangerous, addict) isn't in of itself bad, evil or crazy. IM not having actual relationships is actually the most responsible thing he could do. Imagine a guy w/ a suit of lazer firing armor getting his drunk on and beating his wife, you thought Pym was as douche.


The guy is a former alchoholic, struggling w/ a high stress life and his sobriety at the same time. A person giving in to a narcotic and becoming addicted is neither evil, nor crazy, it's just weak.

[jsg2295]

I'm no fan of Iron Man, I think he's a pretty boy who built himself a toy to fight crime instead of putting in some physical training. I'm in full agreement w/ you on your last 3 points. However on your first 2 your setting a bad precedent, just because someone likes to enjoy themselves physically and isn't able to make emotional connections, (no time, dangerous, addict) isn't in of itself bad, evil or crazy. IM not having actual relationships is actually the most responsible thing he could do. Imagine a guy w/ a suit of lazer firing armor getting his drunk on and beating his wife, you thought Pym was as douche.


The guy is a former alchoholic, struggling w/ a high stress life and his sobriety at the same time. A person giving in to a narcotic and becoming addicted is neither evil, nor crazy, it's just weak.
He is weak cause he is crazy. A loony who no one knows is insane. I think all that circuitry being around his head so long has caused some unknown loony behavioral pattern. They say cell phones are bad for you. Imagine what that shellhead is putting out.
On another subject.... he knows about the dangers expecially with "everyman" Peter...he tells Spidey he wants him to unmask on National television!!!! Why couldnt spidey have just told the public he registered and have a high ranking official say he was. Tony the loony had already given his secret id away. So the benefit of someone else doing it is gone.
I still cant believe PP did this. I think its another darn clone.:D

[phantom1592]

I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the road they reveal that Iron man is nuts. All those times his Armor was controlled.... When his armor started talking to him..... When he thought he was attacked by his younger version from the past......


prepare for a retcon!

[Shellhead]

Iron man is a complete loony and I will tell you why.
1. He hates women..everytime you read about Stark you hear see another sexual conquest he has done. Heck in the last issue of Civil war he talks about his little "arrangement" with the white queen. I wont point out the obvious for our underage readers but this doesnt bring up the 100's of other sexual conquests that IM has had. A man who has had this many encounters doesnt love women. Neither does James Bond for that matter.
2. He is an alcoholic. This man has been shown to operate the Iron man armor while having been drinking. You arent allowed to drive a car much less operate a thermonuclear device that Stark uses every day.
3. He uses his money to buy his way out of most anything. How many times have the Avengers gone in full bore, smashed a lot of property and at the end ol IM says just send the bill to Stark. This isnt so bad but shows characteristics of his megalomanic side that are coming out in Civil War.
4. A rash of impulsiveness as a result of being spoiled most of his adult life. Civil war being the most perfect example. Not only unmasking and putting most of his employees in danger, but somehow convicing Spiderman to do this also!!! Now ol Stark can weather this spell but Spidey can't and wont. Tony even went so far as to put Spidey on the hero hunting squad. He has backed Peter in a corner for which I see no way Peter can get out of short of another alias.
5. Hes a conniving little s@#t. Take the last example. I am sure that once spidey came to the Avengers ol shellhead made a complete dossier on Spidey and knew about his past (ala Batman). I believe Peter looks at Tony as a father figure because of the absence of his real father and the violent death of his Uncle for which he (Parker) is partly responsible for. At least I hope that is the reason that Peter made this bone headed decision to reveal his id. I think Tony capatilized on this. I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out that Tony made Jarvis go out with Aunt May in an effort to ingratiate the Parkers into convincing Peter to do what Stark tells him to do. (Actually I would be).
6. He doesnt look crazy. He is handsome, rich, and seemingly in control. Everyone else on the list is recognized for doing things a little batty...Scarlet Witch, Pym, etc...But no one really knows about Stark.
These are just some of the points I can make about the weapon-manufacturing playboy.

I think that you have a loony understanding of loony.

1. Promiscuity doesn't prove that Stark is a misogynist, just that he might be shallow or otherwise incapable of long-term relationships. Or from another perspective, maybe he's just too busy to settle down. For some heroes, being an Avenger is a full-time job, even ones who don't really have a secret identity. Stark serves as an Avenger, sometimes even leads the team, plus runs his own corporation, invents new technology, and still tries to have a social life. And if you are going to argue that James Bond is mentally ill, you better get your back up against the wall, because you're all alone on that one.

2. Stark is an alcoholic, but he has not had a drink in a long time, which is the most that you can expect from a recovered alcoholic. He was a social drinker, like many normal people, until a villain overrode control of his armor and made him kill a diplomat in front of tv cameras. The trauma wasn't fully erased by defeating that villain or even building in safeguards to prevent that from ever happening again, so he developed a drinking problem. It was an unusually realistic response and not what most people would describe as insanity. And if every person who ever drove a motor vehicle while intoxicated is insane... then there are a frightening number of crazy people in America, including me. I did it when I was young and irresponsible, and I don't do it anymore.

3. Stark paying for damage inflicted during battles between Avengers and villains isn't crazy. In fact, it's extremely responsible, compared to all the heroes who just run off after the battle. Yes, some rich people are crazy, but in my experience, that tends to be the ones who merely inheirit their wealth. The ones who earned their success are generally stronger individuals for that experience.

4. & 5. I agree that Iron Man shouldn't have pressured Spider-man into revealing his identity. But I don't blame Iron Man, because I believe that Millar is writing him out of character for Civil War to suit his plot. For contrast, take a look at Iron Man's characterization in his ongoing monthly title.

6. Don't hate him because he's beautiful. ;)

So what have we learned today? Rich people aren't necessarily crazy. Womanizers aren't necessarily crazy. And recovered alcoholics aren't necessarily crazy. Certain comic characters may get written so far out of character that it seems crazy, but things can return to normal quickly with the next creative team.

[jsg2295]

I think that you have a loony understanding of loony.

1. Promiscuity doesn't prove that Stark is a misogynist, just that he might be shallow or otherwise incapable of long-term relationships. Or from another perspective, maybe he's just too busy to settle down. For some heroes, being an Avenger is a full-time job, even ones who don't really have a secret identity. Stark serves as an Avenger, sometimes even leads the team, plus runs his own corporation, invents new technology, and still tries to have a social life. And if you are going to argue that James Bond is mentally ill, you better get your back up against the wall, because you're all alone on that one.

2. Stark is an alcoholic, but he has not had a drink in a long time, which is the most that you can expect from a recovered alcoholic. He was a social drinker, like many normal people, until a villain overrode control of his armor and made him kill a diplomat in front of tv cameras. The trauma wasn't fully erased by defeating that villain or even building in safeguards to prevent that from ever happening again, so he developed a drinking problem. It was an unusually realistic response and not what most people would describe as insanity. And if every person who ever drove a motor vehicle while intoxicated is insane... then there are a frightening number of crazy people in America, including me. I did it when I was young and irresponsible, and I don't do it anymore.

3. Stark paying for damage inflicted during battles between Avengers and villains isn't crazy. In fact, it's extremely responsible, compared to all the heroes who just run off after the battle. Yes, some rich people are crazy, but in my experience, that tends to be the ones who merely inheirit their wealth. The ones who earned their success are generally stronger individuals for that experience.

4. & 5. I agree that Iron Man shouldn't have pressured Spider-man into revealing his identity. But I don't blame Iron Man, because I believe that Millar is writing him out of character for Civil War to suit his plot. For contrast, take a look at Iron Man's characterization in his ongoing monthly title.

6. Don't hate him because he's beautiful. ;)

So what have we learned today? Rich people aren't necessarily crazy. Womanizers aren't necessarily crazy. And recovered alcoholics aren't necessarily crazy. Certain comic characters may get written so far out of character that it seems crazy, but things can return to normal quickly with the next creative team.
1. I didnt say James Bond was crazy...I said he hated women. As far as Stark settling down. I get the impression he settles down most every night (woo wah). Hardly with the same woman. A man who consistantly does this does not like women.
2.Tony has relapsed before on his alcoholism. As for the analogy of a person driving a car drunk. I will agree with it only if you strap an atom bomb on the front of the car. That is the difference.
3.Stark paying for damages isnt crazy. But it is a symptom of his insanity. It shows his cavalier attitude. Dont get me started on phallic symbolism that goes with his armor and reason #1.
Truly that much power generated has to have some kind of affect on his brain. Like I have stated before. You live some yards away from a freaking power line you have a greater chance of cancer . This guy has a thermonuclear device close to his head.
I never wrote rich people were crazy.
I never wrote alcoholics were crazy.
I never wrote women haters were crazy.
I did write that Tony Stark was looney.
In his latest issue of IM isnt he acting a bit looney in that one?

[drwho]

Moon Dragon used to be psycho but she has progressed through therapy pretty well. Scarlet Witch is the crazyest, but maybe she is sane now who knows.

[Shellhead]

1. I didnt say James Bond was crazy...I said he hated women. As far as Stark settling down. I get the impression he settles down most every night (woo wah). Hardly with the same woman. A man who consistantly does this does not like women.
2.Tony has relapsed before on his alcoholism. As for the analogy of a person driving a car drunk. I will agree with it only if you strap an atom bomb on the front of the car. That is the difference.
3.Stark paying for damages isnt crazy. But it is a symptom of his insanity. It shows his cavalier attitude. Dont get me started on phallic symbolism that goes with his armor and reason #1.
Truly that much power generated has to have some kind of affect on his brain. Like I have stated before. You live some yards away from a freaking power line you have a greater chance of cancer . This guy has a thermonuclear device close to his head.
I never wrote rich people were crazy.
I never wrote alcoholics were crazy.
I never wrote women haters were crazy.
I did write that Tony Stark was looney.
In his latest issue of IM isnt he acting a bit looney in that one?

It's possible that Tony's brain is affected by his armor. I would think that it's equally likely that Spider-man has been similarly affected by that radioactive spider-bite, or that the average mutant has some deviant thought patterns due to their mutations, or even that Human Torch has become deranged after years of flying through the air while covered with flames.

Even more likely: Dr. Strange has been slowly driven insane after studying too much forbidden knowledge and travelling in strange magical dimensions. Or Professor X has gone crazy from reading too many surface thoughts from the people around him over the years; especially some of the more psychotic villains that the X-Men have fought.

I haven't read the latest issue of Iron Man yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if they suddenly made Tony act wacky in order to quickly get the characterization back in synch with Civil War. Last I saw, Stark was still a hero in his own title.

[jade_nova]

How about Quicksilver? The man lives his life at superspeed around people much slower than him. I think that would drive anybody crazy.

[Haunt]

How about Quicksilver? The man lives his life at superspeed around people much slower than him. I think that would drive anybody crazy.



he became a lot crazier once he lost his powers, imo.

[Bobster777]

he became a lot crazier once he lost his powers, imo.
True. Quicksilver did what he did to save his sister. That was pretty noble to me (although I still hate the guy). Now, he is just plain unstable.

[Alan2099]

In a way, it makes sense that Quicksilver is having a hard time adjusting. Imagien if your body started moving 100 times lower than it usually did.

[phantom1592]

In a way, it makes sense that Quicksilver is having a hard time adjusting. Imagien if your body started moving 100 times lower than it usually did.

And everything around you is moving 100 times faster.

[Leebenhouse]

Eh, before Disassmebled I'd have said Pym, after I'd still say PYm, since any time now he's going to do something else bonkers. Scarlet Witch was insane when Byrne wrote her, but then she got better. I wouldnt be suprised if a few years down the line they briong her back to normal, and Pym does something jacked. Although her having sex with a robot for years is a little whacky too. But then again so is Pym with his madness, and Wasp for marrying him when he was in a split-personality thang.

[Kirk G]

How about Quicksilver? The man lives his life at superspeed around people much slower than him. I think that would drive anybody crazy.
You got that right.
Try reading X-Factor #84 or 87.... the one with the Dr. Samson analysis of the team. Great insight into each team member, especially revealing for Pietro...:D

[Dustin]

Gotta say Sentry, the guy is a bat**** crazy, schizo, his first reaction is throwing people into the sun if cap isn't there to tell him what to do. That being said, that's why I love Sentry, he's like an Issue of What If? What IF.... Superman was interesting?
I couldn't agree more.

[Sam T.]

Sentry is one of my favorites lately...!

[Dustin]

Soo much Pym bashing! He has been stable for a while now. I voted for Scarlet witch...that chick needs help!!
That was to be my second choice.

[Bobster777]

Sentry is one of my favorites lately...!
Me too. The first mini was incredible. I liked the second one as well.

[Kirk G]

I can't decide between two nominations.....













wait for it...........










Stan Lee..........







or......





(wait for it.......)















John Steed!

[jsg2295]

I hate the Sentry. I wish he was as crazy as IM. Then maybe he would toss himself in the sun.

[Dustin]

I hate the Sentry. I wish he was as crazy as IM. Then maybe he would toss himself in the sun.
Yeah that would get rid of him.:p