How to do Robin in Begins continuity

[literally exaggerated]

Most posters here seem to think that Robin could never work in Begins continuity, that he makes no sense, either thematically or realistically, and should thus be simply ignored.

I disagree, I think Robin could work very well, but would have to be handled extremely differently than the comics.

The whole point of Begins was showing the ridiculously arduous process it took for Bruce to reach the point where he could become the Bat. Injecting a kid into the story, especially some acrobat flipping around in bright colors, runs completely opposite to the intended tone and realism of the franchise. Little kids can't beat up adults, and flips and bright colors make no sense in any remotely realistic action sequence.

All of which means that Robin either has to be an adult, or his role has to change. But old teen/adult Robin was tried in the Burton movies. It sucked, and it wouldn't make sense in Begins. The problem of how this random new character would have the skills to even approximate what Bruce does would still arise, only now there'd be an additional problem of why Bruce Wayne is adopting some 19 year old dude.

So, here's how to do it.

First of all, Robin needs to be a kid. Young, like 12 or 13. He's an acrobat, sure, and a smart, tough, feisty little kid. But thats all he is. Potential. If he fights an adult, he's getting his ass kicked.

Now, completely separately, you have some character moments with Bruce and Alfred, talking about the lonliness of the crusade, the lack of an heir for Bruce or anyone else to do what he does.

Now, early on in the movie, Batman could be chasing Two-face. It needs to be Two-face, because Two-face is the one villain Bruce truly blames himself for. Whatever crimes he commits, Bruce feels in some way responsible for. In the course of their chase, they enter a circus, and Two-face takes the Flying Graysons hostage. Batman tries to stop him, but miscalculates. Two-face puts a bullet in each of Dick's parents, then makes a getaway. Batman is left there, looking at an anguished young Dick, kneeling in much the same pose Bruce was in when he was a kid. Blaming himself in every way for what happened to Dick, Bruce Wayne separately makes arrangements for Dick to be placed in a nice home and looked after, and vows to find Two-face.

A few days later, Dick vanishes. Just up and gone. At first Bruce suspects kidnapping, but soon deduces that Dick went after Two-face on his own. Knowing he'll be killed if he doesn't do something, Bruce starts a desparate hunt to find and rescue him. Meanwhile, Dick finds Two-face and tries to ambush him, but is easily beat down and taken hostage.

Batman finds him, and manages to save him, but the distraction of Dick as a hostage allows Two-face to escape again. Bruce starts to take Dick back, but Dick lashes out at him. He tells Bruce its his fault that Dick's parents have died, that for all his toughness and tools Batman failed to prevent Dick being orphaned, and that if Bruce brings him back to his home he'll just go after Two-face again. His parents deserve vengeance, and Dick's going to get it for them. Then he gives Bruce an ultimatem, either help Dick get revenge, or Dick will go after Two-face alone again. Not knowing what to do, feeling guilty as hell, Bruce agrees, on one condition. he'll help Dick get revenge, but Dick must obey his orders without question. Bruce takes Dick back to the mansion and adopts him, revealing to him his identity.

I believe that it has to start out this way, or something like this, because Robin only makes sense as something forced on Bruce initially, a result of necessity and circumstance and Dick's wishes, because if it starst out as Bruce's idea it seems completely insane. No one in their right mind would ever draft a kid into a war like that (see: All-star Batman) unless they were absolutely forced too.

From that point forward Dick starts an intense training regimen in fighting, stealth, etc. He learns to drive, to operate certain computer functions, to do a stakeout, and starts learning the basics of detective work. Bruce takes him out occasionally. He never gets to fight, but he helps with stakeouts, serves as a lookout, even drives the Batmobile on one occasion. When Bruce needs someone to look up some info fast, Dick is on the other end of the commlink, typing away on the computer. Any support not involving combat, Dick helps out with.

I believe this is really the only way to have Robin function at all realistically and in a way that doesn't seem like Bruce is completely just endangering a kid. He's an apprentice, and he provides support and does the least dangerous of the functions so batman can focus more on the fighting.

Towards the end of the movie they would finally close in on Two-face. Bruce would instruct Dick to stay behind and provide commlink support, but Dick disobeys (of course).

Bruce goes in, takes out Two-faces guards and starts fighting Two-face, but a series of explosions knocks him under some rubble. As Two-face is about to kill him, Dick comes in and blindsides him. Throws a ton of flashbangs in front of him, then takes out his knees with a 2x4. He's wearing his old acrobat costume with a mask on and says something like "remember me? remember this costume?" and telling Two-face he's gonna kill him for killing his parents. He beats him to within an inch of his life, but at the last moment can't go through with it and collapses sobbing. Bruce recovers, picks him up and takes him back to the mansion.

From that point on Robin is Batman's sidekick and apprentice in truth. He is still limited mostly to constant training and support roles, but every now and then he provides combat backup when Batman absolutely needs it by ambushing people with gasbombs and whatnot. He's capable of maybe taking on one thug when forced to using all the combat techniques Bruce taught him, but if he's put in a position where he's fighting more dangerous foes or multiple enemies, he's pretty much screwed and would need Bruce to help him.

[meethraa]

Mmmmm.... no.

[meethraa]

Okay, now for a serious reply.
I'm not too eager to see them use Robin anytime soon, but I do think it could work.
Maybe like you said, making him take a more hands off approach to crime fighting, a mix of oracle with the 60's tv show Robin. But a dedicated director could actually make him fight adults believably, I think.

[literally exaggerated]

I think he could start to fight adults too, but like, low key stuff. Ambushing a lone mugger, for example, with heavy use of flashbangs, gasbombs, judo throws and brass knuckles. Stealth tactics, gadgets, hit and run. But having a kid just stand there, beating up adults in one on one straight combat, would look ridiculous, and make no sense in the context of Begins.

[MythicBrawn]

IF Robin is introduced into the Batman Begins mythos, then be sure to give him a real outfit. I doubt any self-respecting pre-teen/teen would wear short pants and elf shoes to battle Batman villains and expect to be taken seriously. I think the red and black costume, without yellow would work for a grim and gritty environment.

[The Shadow]

I pray they don't introduce him.

Look what happened when they did with the other movies...

[Choppa]

IMO there should never be a Robin in these films. BUT, if they absolutely had to have one, he should be a kid and should never put on a costume. He should just be someone that Bruce has to come home and take care of as a surrogate son, while juggling his life as Batman.

[Kid Lantern]

Tim drake. Teenager (no not played by a 28 year old, an honest to got 15-16 year old)

Do him as a tenacious barstard :cool: who wont let go of bruce



but then.... no. batman barely knows who he himself is, let alone begin training deciples...

[boy wonder]

IF Robin is introduced into the Batman Begins mythos, then be sure to give him a real outfit. I doubt any self-respecting pre-teen/teen would wear short pants and elf shoes to battle Batman villains and expect to be taken seriously. I think the red and black costume, without yellow would work for a grim and gritty environment.
Like so?
http://www.picsoisms.com/files/BatmanBeginsRobin.png

[Paul Dee]

I really like the scenario that "literally exaggerated'' paints above; if they have to do Robin in these movies then I hope it's something like that. But, as I have mentioned in another thread, Nolan has emphatically stated that Robin won't be in the next two BB movies stating that Dick Grayson would only be a baby/toddler in this timeline.

[trickster]

No. Robin should just stay in the comics books. Just like Wolverine's yellow and blue costume and other comicky stuff, he doesn't translate well on screen.

[Horror Business]

Most posters here seem to think that Robin could never work in Begins continuity, that he makes no sense, either thematically or realistically, and should thus be simply ignored.

I disagree, I think Robin could work very well, but would have to be handled extremely differently than the comics.

The whole point of Begins was showing the ridiculously arduous process it took for Bruce to reach the point where he could become the Bat. Injecting a kid into the story, especially some acrobat flipping around in bright colors, runs completely opposite to the intended tone and realism of the franchise. Little kids can't beat up adults, and flips and bright colors make no sense in any remotely realistic action sequence.

All of which means that Robin either has to be an adult, or his role has to change. But old teen/adult Robin was tried in the Burton movies. It sucked, and it wouldn't make sense in Begins. The problem of how this random new character would have the skills to even approximate what Bruce does would still arise, only now there'd be an additional problem of why Bruce Wayne is adopting some 19 year old dude.

So, here's how to do it.

First of all, Robin needs to be a kid. Young, like 12 or 13. He's an acrobat, sure, and a smart, tough, feisty little kid. But thats all he is. Potential. If he fights an adult, he's getting his ass kicked.

Now, completely separately, you have some character moments with Bruce and Alfred, talking about the lonliness of the crusade, the lack of an heir for Bruce or anyone else to do what he does.

Now, early on in the movie, Batman could be chasing Two-face. It needs to be Two-face, because Two-face is the one villain Bruce truly blames himself for. Whatever crimes he commits, Bruce feels in some way responsible for. In the course of their chase, they enter a circus, and Two-face takes the Flying Graysons hostage. Batman tries to stop him, but miscalculates. Two-face puts a bullet in each of Dick's parents, then makes a getaway. Batman is left there, looking at an anguished young Dick, kneeling in much the same pose Bruce was in when he was a kid. Blaming himself in every way for what happened to Dick, Bruce Wayne separately makes arrangements for Dick to be placed in a nice home and looked after, and vows to find Two-face.

A few days later, Dick vanishes. Just up and gone. At first Bruce suspects kidnapping, but soon deduces that Dick went after Two-face on his own. Knowing he'll be killed if he doesn't do something, Bruce starts a desparate hunt to find and rescue him. Meanwhile, Dick finds Two-face and tries to ambush him, but is easily beat down and taken hostage.

Batman finds him, and manages to save him, but the distraction of Dick as a hostage allows Two-face to escape again. Bruce starts to take Dick back, but Dick lashes out at him. He tells Bruce its his fault that Dick's parents have died, that for all his toughness and tools Batman failed to prevent Dick being orphaned, and that if Bruce brings him back to his home he'll just go after Two-face again. His parents deserve vengeance, and Dick's going to get it for them. Then he gives Bruce an ultimatem, either help Dick get revenge, or Dick will go after Two-face alone again. Not knowing what to do, feeling guilty as hell, Bruce agrees, on one condition. he'll help Dick get revenge, but Dick must obey his orders without question. Bruce takes Dick back to the mansion and adopts him, revealing to him his identity.

I believe that it has to start out this way, or something like this, because Robin only makes sense as something forced on Bruce initially, a result of necessity and circumstance and Dick's wishes, because if it starst out as Bruce's idea it seems completely insane. No one in their right mind would ever draft a kid into a war like that (see: All-star Batman) unless they were absolutely forced too.

From that point forward Dick starts an intense training regimen in fighting, stealth, etc. He learns to drive, to operate certain computer functions, to do a stakeout, and starts learning the basics of detective work. Bruce takes him out occasionally. He never gets to fight, but he helps with stakeouts, serves as a lookout, even drives the Batmobile on one occasion. When Bruce needs someone to look up some info fast, Dick is on the other end of the commlink, typing away on the computer. Any support not involving combat, Dick helps out with.

I believe this is really the only way to have Robin function at all realistically and in a way that doesn't seem like Bruce is completely just endangering a kid. He's an apprentice, and he provides support and does the least dangerous of the functions so batman can focus more on the fighting.

Towards the end of the movie they would finally close in on Two-face. Bruce would instruct Dick to stay behind and provide commlink support, but Dick disobeys (of course).

Bruce goes in, takes out Two-faces guards and starts fighting Two-face, but a series of explosions knocks him under some rubble. As Two-face is about to kill him, Dick comes in and blindsides him. Throws a ton of flashbangs in front of him, then takes out his knees with a 2x4. He's wearing his old acrobat costume with a mask on and says something like "remember me? remember this costume?" and telling Two-face he's gonna kill him for killing his parents. He beats him to within an inch of his life, but at the last moment can't go through with it and collapses sobbing. Bruce recovers, picks him up and takes him back to the mansion.

From that point on Robin is Batman's sidekick and apprentice in truth. He is still limited mostly to constant training and support roles, but every now and then he provides combat backup when Batman absolutely needs it by ambushing people with gasbombs and whatnot. He's capable of maybe taking on one thug when forced to using all the combat techniques Bruce taught him, but if he's put in a position where he's fighting more dangerous foes or multiple enemies, he's pretty much screwed and would need Bruce to help him.

i didn't even read all this but the first part...BATMAN FOREVER.

[CDB]

No. Robin should just stay in the comics books. Just like Wolverine's yellow and blue costume and other comicky stuff, he doesn't translate well on screen.

Seconded!!!

[kel25]

I'm a big fan of Dick but I don't want him in the movies. Maybe later if they do a movie that his ment to be a more current Batman there could be a guest spot of Nightwing and a nod to him being Robin at one time.

Even better just do a Nightwing movie.

[Kara Zor El]

The only way Robin would work for me is if he's an android or genetically engineered superkid. I I'd rather not have those either. Lets just let Batman have his own movies and shine in his own right.

[UniMind]

Ummm.....For those who didn't get the notice, Robin has to be done eventually in the movies.
Without him, its not a complete experience, since he ties into the mythos so deeply.
Batman only existed a year without Robin. Without the Boy/GirlWonder, he loses his dynamic.
Hence, the dynamic duo.

Robin ties in way to much to be left out. And the fact that somebody can't find a way to do him and make it good, only speaks to their lack of skill.

Give Robin his recent outfit, not the Red and Black, since his Icon colors are Green, Red and Yellow.
Just add legs like they did in 1989, and it'll work out. Nobody said the kid had to run around in his tighty whiteys dyed green.

Batman needs his Robin. Robin Reborn showed that. Or else, we get Batdick.

[lonewolf23k]

Allow me to be the first one to say I agree with the idea, as it mirrors some of my own ideas concerning Batman and his motivations for recruiting Robin. I think he would originally be trying to litterally push Dick to a point where he just gives up, only to find that Dick's drive to avenge his parents actually mirrors his own; he looks at the boy, and sees a lot of himself.

An other idea I had could be that Robin ends up being the "public voice" of the Batman-Robin team. Where Batman remains hidden in the shadows and remains such an enigma that people aren't sure he even exists, Robin would be the one fighting crime out in the open, where civilians can see him. And why? To create a young hero for the honest people of Gotham to admire, while Batman remains something for the criminals of Gotham to fear. A sort of "Good Cop" to Batman's "Bad Cop".

As for the Bat-Villain who kills Dick's parents, I'd go with The Joker. For starters, it would make sense for Joker to try and hide in a circus, so that's an excellent set-up for the encounter. Also, it would create a strong Joker-Robin antagonism, that could be what leads Joker towards hating Robin so much..

[lonewolf23k]

Also, for an idea for a "Begins" version of a Robin costume could be to keep the acrobat costume (with the long green pants version, of course) but to replace the cape with a black leather jacket...

[Tennoarashi]

How do you do Robin in Batman Begins continuity?

Give him his own movie, nyah.

[Leslie Lee III]

No Robin at all is the best idea. He won Maxim's "Lamest Super-Hero Ever" award. He really needs to stay in the comics.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

first of all, Robin needs to be a kid. Young, like 12 or 13. He's an acrobat, sure, and a smart, tough, feisty little kid. But thats all he is. Potential. If he fights an adult, he's getting his ass kicked.

you have obviously never seen 3 Little Ninjas or Surf Ninjas.

[boy wonder]

No Robin at all is the best idea. He won Maxim's "Lamest Super-Hero Ever" award. He really needs to stay in the comics.
Some magazine poll answered by a bunch of people who don't understand the character at all should have no bearing on whether or not the character can be done well by someone who does understand him.

The people who answered that poll probably only know the skintone tights and campy antics of Burt Ward.

I saw a discussion on a forum at one point that labeled Batman as the lamest superhero ever. They're explanation? "He doesn't even have any superpowers, and the only reason he can do anything is because of his gadgets. Without his stupid little gadgets he's NOTHING" And the only person who knew enough about the character to question that statement could only muster a "Doesn't he know martial arts or something?"

[UniMind]

I maintain that Robin could be done right. Make him a teenager, early teens, but give him his metal staff, and some trinkets. Make him more skilled than the thugs, and its buyable. Just don't overdo it.

[Charles RB]

He won Maxim's "Lamest Super-Hero Ever" award.

Maxim are the last group that should ever call other people lame.

[lonewolf23k]

I maintain that Robin could be done right. Make him a teenager, early teens, but give him his metal staff, and some trinkets. Make him more skilled than the thugs, and its buyable. Just don't overdo it.


I could buy Dick being very skilled as a martial artist, due to his background as an acrobat.

In fact, you could even realistically show him leaping around rooftops. Hey, if a bunch of guys in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkour) can do it, why not the Boy Wonder?

[Soundrave]

I'm a big fan of Dick . . .


There were sooo many ways to word that better.

[Panman]

Most posters here seem to think that Robin could never work in Begins continuity, that he makes no sense, either thematically or realistically, and should thus be simply ignored.

I disagree, I think Robin could work very well, but would have to be handled extremely differently than the comics.

The whole point of Begins was showing the ridiculously arduous process it took for Bruce to reach the point where he could become the Bat. Injecting a kid into the story, especially some acrobat flipping around in bright colors, runs completely opposite to the intended tone and realism of the franchise. Little kids can't beat up adults, and flips and bright colors make no sense in any remotely realistic action sequence.

All of which means that Robin either has to be an adult, or his role has to change. But old teen/adult Robin was tried in the Burton movies. It sucked, and it wouldn't make sense in Begins. The problem of how this random new character would have the skills to even approximate what Bruce does would still arise, only now there'd be an additional problem of why Bruce Wayne is adopting some 19 year old dude.

So, here's how to do it.

First of all, Robin needs to be a kid. Young, like 12 or 13. He's an acrobat, sure, and a smart, tough, feisty little kid. But thats all he is. Potential. If he fights an adult, he's getting his ass kicked.

Now, completely separately, you have some character moments with Bruce and Alfred, talking about the lonliness of the crusade, the lack of an heir for Bruce or anyone else to do what he does.

Now, early on in the movie, Batman could be chasing Two-face. It needs to be Two-face, because Two-face is the one villain Bruce truly blames himself for. Whatever crimes he commits, Bruce feels in some way responsible for. In the course of their chase, they enter a circus, and Two-face takes the Flying Graysons hostage. Batman tries to stop him, but miscalculates. Two-face puts a bullet in each of Dick's parents, then makes a getaway. Batman is left there, looking at an anguished young Dick, kneeling in much the same pose Bruce was in when he was a kid. Blaming himself in every way for what happened to Dick, Bruce Wayne separately makes arrangements for Dick to be placed in a nice home and looked after, and vows to find Two-face.

A few days later, Dick vanishes. Just up and gone. At first Bruce suspects kidnapping, but soon deduces that Dick went after Two-face on his own. Knowing he'll be killed if he doesn't do something, Bruce starts a desparate hunt to find and rescue him. Meanwhile, Dick finds Two-face and tries to ambush him, but is easily beat down and taken hostage.

Batman finds him, and manages to save him, but the distraction of Dick as a hostage allows Two-face to escape again. Bruce starts to take Dick back, but Dick lashes out at him. He tells Bruce its his fault that Dick's parents have died, that for all his toughness and tools Batman failed to prevent Dick being orphaned, and that if Bruce brings him back to his home he'll just go after Two-face again. His parents deserve vengeance, and Dick's going to get it for them. Then he gives Bruce an ultimatem, either help Dick get revenge, or Dick will go after Two-face alone again. Not knowing what to do, feeling guilty as hell, Bruce agrees, on one condition. he'll help Dick get revenge, but Dick must obey his orders without question. Bruce takes Dick back to the mansion and adopts him, revealing to him his identity.

I believe that it has to start out this way, or something like this, because Robin only makes sense as something forced on Bruce initially, a result of necessity and circumstance and Dick's wishes, because if it starst out as Bruce's idea it seems completely insane. No one in their right mind would ever draft a kid into a war like that (see: All-star Batman) unless they were absolutely forced too.

From that point forward Dick starts an intense training regimen in fighting, stealth, etc. He learns to drive, to operate certain computer functions, to do a stakeout, and starts learning the basics of detective work. Bruce takes him out occasionally. He never gets to fight, but he helps with stakeouts, serves as a lookout, even drives the Batmobile on one occasion. When Bruce needs someone to look up some info fast, Dick is on the other end of the commlink, typing away on the computer. Any support not involving combat, Dick helps out with.

I believe this is really the only way to have Robin function at all realistically and in a way that doesn't seem like Bruce is completely just endangering a kid. He's an apprentice, and he provides support and does the least dangerous of the functions so batman can focus more on the fighting.

Towards the end of the movie they would finally close in on Two-face. Bruce would instruct Dick to stay behind and provide commlink support, but Dick disobeys (of course).

Bruce goes in, takes out Two-faces guards and starts fighting Two-face, but a series of explosions knocks him under some rubble. As Two-face is about to kill him, Dick comes in and blindsides him. Throws a ton of flashbangs in front of him, then takes out his knees with a 2x4. He's wearing his old acrobat costume with a mask on and says something like "remember me? remember this costume?" and telling Two-face he's gonna kill him for killing his parents. He beats him to within an inch of his life, but at the last moment can't go through with it and collapses sobbing. Bruce recovers, picks him up and takes him back to the mansion.

From that point on Robin is Batman's sidekick and apprentice in truth. He is still limited mostly to constant training and support roles, but every now and then he provides combat backup when Batman absolutely needs it by ambushing people with gasbombs and whatnot. He's capable of maybe taking on one thug when forced to using all the combat techniques Bruce taught him, but if he's put in a position where he's fighting more dangerous foes or multiple enemies, he's pretty much screwed and would need Bruce to help him.
I like that idea, but I wouldn't have him fighting crime at all. I would just have him as an orphin that batman adopts and trains so that he can be a crimefighter WHEN HE'S OLDER. This makes Batman and Robin into student and teacher, rather than partners. If they do use Robin in BB they have to be very careful not to make him a stupid character, but I believe it's possible.

[UniMind]

I could buy Dick being very skilled as a martial artist, due to his background as an acrobat.

In fact, you could even realistically show him leaping around rooftops. Hey, if a bunch of guys in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkour) can do it, why not the Boy Wonder?

I most def agree.
Make him limber, quick and agile to showcase the birdy nature of Robin.
Keep him in constant motion once a fight starts, and use the envoirnment to his aide. Nothing like the matrix or other cgi fests but just natural agility and the like.
Nobody has ever seen/ played a game of tag played on the playscape??
Kids sliding down the slide, only to smoothly grapple off since the ground is off limits??
Crossing the monkeybars with four big swings?
Kids just contantly moving and letting their momentum carry through, making it a fluid type of game.

But hey, i grew up in the hood, so maybe its just an urban thing to be able to hop fences with ease, and navigate with grace and smoothness.

No offense to any surburbanites.

[Kaos]

preach bruddah. Nah robin should be in it, but not an adult..a kid I mean c'mooonnnn why would bruce adopt a fuckin adult...its insane

[trickster]

Some magazine poll answered by a bunch of people who don't understand the character at all should have no bearing on whether or not the character can be done well by someone who does understand him.

The people who answered that poll probably only know the skintone tights and campy antics of Burt Ward.

I saw a discussion on a forum at one point that labeled Batman as the lamest superhero ever. They're explanation? "He doesn't even have any superpowers, and the only reason he can do anything is because of his gadgets. Without his stupid little gadgets he's NOTHING" And the only person who knew enough about the character to question that statement could only muster a "Doesn't he know martial arts or something?"

Yeah, right ,they just managed to bring the franchise back again from the brink of death, let's futz it up again by bringing in a 13 year old kid dressed up like a Christmas tree, so the non comic book reading audience will get the impression that Batman is a reckless pedofile, cos the Bat Nipples, ass shots and Alicia Silverstone didn't do enough damage.

[Micro]

I think it's possible. If the Batman Begins movies continue and they get to the 5th or 6th one, I would not mind them introducing Dick Grayson as a child Bruce takes in after his parents are killed. I wouldn't have Dick Grayson running around as Robin in that movie though. Maybe if Grayson is introduced in the 5th movie, he could be Robin in the 7th or 8th(however it's unlikely they would make that any of them). If they ever introduce Robin in the movies, I would like it to be done in a similar way to how we saw the episode "Robin's Reckoning" from the Animated Series. Mostly dealing with an older Robin hunting down the guy that killed his parents while Batman is doing the same(And seeing flashbacks of his past).

[Rexi]

batman has to have his own trilogy done before robin gets thrown in, IMO.

[The Foreigner]

Ummm.....For those who didn't get the notice, Robin has to be done eventually in the movies.


Ummm... For those who didn't get the notice, Chris Nolan disagrees.

[Ring Slinger]

Like so?
http://www.picsoisms.com/files/BatmanBeginsRobin.png

You know, I've been visiting this board for some time and it seems like everytime someone starts a discussion like this, you, boy wonder, have to whip out this pic that you supposedly created (though I don't really care if you did or not) and want people to compliment it. What's worse, I've seen you start threads, multiple times in fact, pimping this pic and fishing for compliments! Enough!

In terms of Robin in a new Bat film-- I'd love to see it if it could be done right, but I don't think Hollywood CAN do it right, so until that point, if ever, forget it.

[boy wonder]

You know, I've been visiting this board for some time and it seems like everytime someone starts a discussion like this, you, boy wonder, have to whip out this pic that you supposedly created (though I don't really care if you did or not) and want people to compliment it. What's worse, I've seen you start threads, multiple times in fact, pimping this pic and fishing for compliments! Enough!
I'm sorry if I've offended you. You really don't have to compliment it or even acknowledge it (I really don't care if you do or not) It's just that I find it relevent when such a topic arises.

Though I will agree with you that most of the art I've posted here is significantly similar (Which would explain why it seems as though I'm showing the same picture over and over.) I guess I'm just a boring person.

Anyway, continue thread discussion.

[UniMind]

Ummm... For those who didn't get the notice, Chris Nolan disagrees.

Doesn't make him right. Just final. Robin has been apart of the mythos since day damn one. Without him, its not complete.

[Leslie Lee III]

Doesn't make him right. Just final. Robin has been apart of the mythos since day damn one.

No he hasn't.

[boy wonder]

No he hasn't.
Since year damn two, though.

The character's even older than Alfred, if I'm not mistaken.

[The Joker]

Since year damn two, though.

The character's even older than Alfred, if I'm not mistaken.

You're right. He is.

Batman operated for a little over a year before Robin The Boy Wonder made his debut and started the whole kid sidekicks influx that began shortly afterwards.

Yeah, right ,they just managed to bring the franchise back again from the brink of death, let's futz it up again by bringing in a 13 year old kid dressed up like a Christmas tree, so the non comic book reading audience will get the impression that Batman is a reckless pedofile, cos the Bat Nipples, ass shots and Alicia Silverstone didn't do enough damage.

Oh right. But lets not forget exactly WHO it was DIRECTING those films. Yup. It was the same guy, who before each take, would remind everyone on the set, "Remember people, it's a CARTOON!". (courtesy of the Batman Legacy Box Set)

Obviously, Nolan would do a much better job at translating Robin into the Batman film universe than Schumaucher could on his best day. No doubt about it.

[Ring Slinger]

I'm sorry if I've offended you. You really don't have to compliment it or even acknowledge it (I really don't care if you do or not) It's just that I find it relevent when such a topic arises.

Though I will agree with you that most of the art I've posted here is significantly similar (Which would explain why it seems as though I'm showing the same picture over and over.) I guess I'm just a boring person.

Anyway, continue thread discussion.

No harm, no foul-- just chill a little bit, that's all I'm saying.

Robin is awesome, but he gets no credit because of the way he's been done so poorly. Someone else suggested that the Robin story in LOTDK #100 is the way to go, but I don't know if it could work on film.

[Charles RB]

let's futz it up again by bringing in a 13 year old kid dressed up like a Christmas tree, so the non comic book reading audience will get the impression that Batman is a reckless pedofile

This is the same non comic reading audience that automatically associates Batman with Robin anyway, yes?

[Alan2099]

Robin is as tied into the batman mythos as the Batmobile or the utility belt. he simple needs to be there, one way or another.

[PersonaDark]

I like that idea, but I wouldn't have him fighting crime at all. I would just have him as an orphin that batman adopts and trains so that he can be a crimefighter WHEN HE'S OLDER. This makes Batman and Robin into student and teacher, rather than partners. If they do use Robin in BB they have to be very careful not to make him a stupid character, but I believe it's possible.

Similar to the Dark Victory method, But no getting in costume at the end right?

That would work. Heck Nolan may be considering it, because he said no Robin not "No Dick Grayson period".

[PrimalScream]

I really don't think theres anymore ways for batman to do robin. dont give him anymore homoerotic tips.lol.

[Alan2099]

Again with the homosexual Batman and Robion jokes. Those weren't funny years ago and they're even less funny now.

[Leslie Lee III]

Oh right. But lets not forget exactly WHO it was DIRECTING those films. Yup. It was the same guy, who before each take, would remind everyone on the set, "Remember people, it's a CARTOON!".

And yet he still made Robin about 100 times less absurd and silly than he was in the comics (something that took DC several decades to accomplish). Robin in these movies is just a bad idea.

And since when does Nolan work with kids?

[PrimalScream]

Again with the homosexual Batman and Robion jokes. Those weren't funny years ago and they're even less funny now.

oh come on. that was funny. taking it too serious me thinks....

[trickster]

This is the same non comic reading audience that automatically associates Batman with Robin anyway, yes?

Well that's where you're wrong. Robin isn't a memorable character for the general public, i.e. those not versed in comic book lore. And neither is Alfred and the supporting cast. Batman is a cultural phenomenon so everyone has at least heard of him, even if they don't know his origins and all that. But Robin? Not everything revolves around the American or at least the English speaking audience, you know?

[The Joker]

And yet he still made Robin about 100 times less absurd and silly than he was in the comics (something that took DC several decades to accomplish). Robin in these movies is just a bad idea.


Evolution has indeed been kind to the Boy Wonder. He's evolved from originally being concieved as a character that kids can relate to, to a character that now (and for awhile now to be honest) has much depth, and can carry his own title. I really dont take anything Schumacher did in his directorial efforts with the Batman franchise seriously, which is exactly why I believe there is a possibility that Robin could be incorporated into the Begins franchise in a much more satisfying manner.

And since when does Nolan work with kids?

Gus Lewis (who did a great job, BTW).

[curefreak]

im not a big fan of robin (it was nice that dc let dick grayson mature) so i really dont wanna see robin in any batman movies( much less comics) but after awhile its gonna be like that pink elephant in the room if he doesnt do it.
im just not sure it would work well with the grittyness that nolan is taking.

[hmnut73]

I know it has been said to death, but I have to add. I see no successful way of introducing Robin into the world Batman Begins.

He just screams of camp. There is no resonable way to explain the idea of a sidekick. There is no way to explain why a responable adult would take a child or even a teenager with him to fight crime. Ever, even once. Even to let him know about such a world.

Also what is the big pay off for bringing in Robin. They would have to work so hard to make it work (which is pretty much impossible) and then even if it could be done what do they get for all that work, just Robin. Are there really that many people out there saying "man I'm not going to go see the new Batman movie unless they have Robin in it."

Also, even in the comic books I have never found Batman or Robin to work well together. I like Batman and I like Robin, but they work more as supporting characters for each other than as partners. If they put Robin in the movie all it does is take time away from Batman.

But the above poster is right, Robin is the Pink elephant in the Batcave. He is as much a part of the Bat mythos as the Batmoblie or the Joker, it is almost impossibe to talk about Batman without the mention of Robin. So I don't know how long they can go without putting Robin in, but it will be the start of the end.

[PrimalScream]

Think robin would only work if bruce adopted him or if he was like 15-18 or if he just wanted to be batmans sidekick and follow him everywhere trying to help like the incredibles. peronally I think these are batmans movies and should focus on the character of bruce/bats more.