Music style you hate the most [Archive] - Comic Book Resources Forums

Athena Bast

07-16-2006, 02:13 PM

Bling-y Hip Hop (Lloyd Banks)

The nine million silly little offshoots of heavy metal.

Bubblegum Pop. Not so much for the bubblegum-ness but for the the belief by the people that they are doing "serious" music.

Whiny puck pop like Simple Plan. Say what you will aobut Good Charlotte but Simple Plan is infinitely more whiny than GC. Good Charlotte actually has heaps of personality held next to Simple Plan.

New Country where new singers get spit out every month with nothing to tell them apart aside from the colour of their pick up trucks.

Artists the claim one genre but really are firmly in another. Avril Lavigne is NOT PUNK she is pop.

Spike-X

07-16-2006, 03:32 PM

Whiny puck pop like Simple Plan.

Oh lordy, I'm with you on that one. What a whiny little prick that guy is. No wonder his father hates him.

howyadoin

07-16-2006, 03:33 PM

Teen pop.

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Slam_Bradley

07-16-2006, 03:35 PM

It would be easier for me to list what I like. My default position seems to be, "Don't like it."

DDM

07-16-2006, 03:38 PM

rap music
teen pop
juvenile, whiny music such as Blink 182, Green Day, etc al

Lubichev

07-16-2006, 03:49 PM

Nash Vegas, aka "New Country." Pop crap with a twang and a steel pedal guitar.

Rob Imes

07-16-2006, 04:44 PM

I tend not to care for heavy metal and hard rock, although I can see their appeal in most cases, and even own some Kiss and Led Zeppelin albums (due to liking some of their pop-friendly songs). But I can't see myself ever owning a Black Sabbath album, even though they are one of the most important hard-rock bands ever.

I'm generally not a rap fan although I've found myself enjoying a few rap songs over the years, such as Public Enemy's "Fight the Power" and a few Jay-Z songs with catchy choruses. I even like Eminem's "Lose Yourself" song, and find the power of its lyrics and delivery comparable to heroes of mine like Bob Dylan and Lou Reed. But in general, rap is not for me.

I've been trying to get into jazz lately. I like Duke Ellington's 1920s performances of songs like "Black and Tan Fantasy" and Ellington has been the guy to lead me into later stuff, like the 1950s and 1960s jazz where things started getting a little weird. Truth to tell, it's hard for me to tell if the playing is good or lousy because the instruments seem all over the place. I'm told by the critics that it's brilliant, and I try to like it myself, but sometimes I wonder if I'll ever really "get" jazz the way that jazz lovers do. It reminds me of how recently I went to a car show, where you could see cars of various eras, weird-looking cars, etc., but I don't know enough about cars to really know what I'm looking at and enjoy it the way a car buff would. I got as much of a kick seeing an ice cream truck on the street (not part of the car show) as I did looking at some of the cars being shown off. That's how I feel when listening to 1950s-60s jazz. And since that period seems like the best period for jazz artistry, I'm really not even interested in listening to anything after the 1960s. It's either not jazz-sounding enough (too rock-influenced, etc.) or sounds too much like listening to bland stuff aimed at yuppies on NPR.

Edit: Oh, I forgot. I hate reggae, too.

Pinball

07-16-2006, 09:50 PM

Bad music.
That is all.

Clint Barton

07-16-2006, 10:05 PM

Teen pop, death metal, cheese country, rap, hip hop, techno...pretty much covers it.

Gezora

07-16-2006, 10:14 PM

New country
New pop
New rap

But more than any of that:

That shit theyre trying to pass off as punk nowadays. Good Charlotte, Yellow Card, Panic At The Disco....

I wish I knew more hitmen with cheaper rates.

GRANT!

07-16-2006, 10:17 PM

I hate ska more then Ann Coulter, The Phantom Menace and the new Spider-man costume combined.

Sam T.

07-16-2006, 10:29 PM

I would say I don't like opera music and alot of the newer versions of rap music!

Ontir

07-16-2006, 11:26 PM

Tejano!

I'm sorry to all the fans out there, but the guy in the house next to my building gets up at 7am on saturday and sundays, and cranks the Mexican Polka out of the crap-AM Radio, in his hoopty-pick-up, to the point that the speaker crackles and fuzzes! What I wouldn't give for a HERF gun!

Tish-the-Scorpion

07-17-2006, 01:02 AM

buble gum rap

pop-rap/hip-pop/"glam-rap"

contemparary R&B (i find it to be bland and too polished,even when hip-hop is added.i prefere retro/neo soul anyways)

most modern rock (too many charasmatic frontmen/women who can't sing/and or rap for my taste)

P-Man

07-17-2006, 02:15 AM

I don't hate any genre or style, because there's always something or someone in a certain style I can enjoy. Sure, most "pop-country", is pure garbage, but sometimes the combination of country elements in a pop song can work pretty well. Tim Mcgraw has recorded some songs that I think are pretty damned good. I generally avoid most rap, but y'know, here and there I'll stumble across something that impresses me.

I guess the closest style I can think of that would in any way fit the definition of "hate the most" is probably Jazz. Jazz is all about muscianship, and I'm more of a composition type guy. The thing is, I can appreciate it, I can respect it, and I can learn from it, but there's just something there that keeps me from really enjoying it.

Now, if we're talking music scenes and such and not whole genres or styles, there are a few I can't stand. The "metalcore" crap that has popped up over the past couple of years is nothing but un-original, untalented people butchering the Gothenburg death metal sound. Most of these bands think that playing one heavy riff after another makes a good song, that obnoxious fast drumming works with everything, and they don't seem to understand that there is more to death/black metal vocals than merely screaming your head off. Now that is something I hate.

Gezora

07-17-2006, 03:31 AM

Now, if we're talking music scenes and such and not whole genres or styles, there are a few I can't stand. The "metalcore" crap that has popped up over the past couple of years is nothing but un-original, untalented people butchering the Gothenburg death metal sound. Most of these bands think that playing one heavy riff after another makes a good song, that obnoxious fast drumming works with everything, and they don't seem to understand that there is more to death/black metal vocals than merely screaming your head off. Now that is something I hate.
I fully concur.

Kids these days just don't get it. You should need actual "talent" before you can become a star, but apparantly, America's youth disagrees.

I can't WAIT to get to Amsterdam....

Jessica Drew

07-17-2006, 07:42 AM

I don't listen to much of it, so I'm sure there are some quality recordings in this sub-genre, but I just not a fan of death metal.

TinMan

07-17-2006, 01:39 PM

Rap/Hip Hop, country, bubblegum pop and pretty much anything that portrays life as being all puppy dogs and butterflies.

jessecuster3

07-17-2006, 01:42 PM

Just this weekend it crawled up my skin yet again. Musicians who instead of playingtight and organized, but get all "noodly" and the song takes 15 minutes longer than it should.

I got stuck listening to Rusted Root... and all that band does, is noodle and play that one song.

Listen to the jams by the Grateful Dead and then listen to ones by Phish and their ilk and you will understand what I mean.

Shellhead

07-17-2006, 04:12 PM

I think that most genres offer a lot of crap and a small amount of great music. However, I have yet to hear even a single fast-paced J-pop song that I could stand. I don't if there is a subgenre name for it, but I'm talking about the really frantic stuff.

Ontir

07-17-2006, 04:33 PM

There are, of course, exceptions within every type of music, but I really have no use for Heavy Metal. It just leaves me cold, and longing for something with less screaming, and a melody.

Eliot Johnson

07-17-2006, 10:04 PM

Not saying that there aren't exceptions to the following, but it's a safe bet that I won't like metal, contemporary country or jam bands.

not even Phish? or the Dead?

Joe Rice

07-17-2006, 10:09 PM

I can't goddam stand jam bands. You wanna impress yourself, don't record it. I got a similar problem with less-than-stellar jazz. Newer Country normally sucks. Other than that I got an open mind.

Eliot Johnson

07-17-2006, 10:40 PM

I can't goddam stand jam bands. You wanna impress yourself, don't record it.

you're dismissing an entire genre way to easily. Improvisation is a beautiful thing, not self indlugence. Phish shows are mindblowing. And I can only imagine what it was like to see the Dead live. They put out some great albums too, Junta and The Anthem of the Sun for example.

Bad jam bands suck. moe., for example, bores me to death. Good jam bands, though? pretty awesome for zoning out into the music. The Motet is a lesser known jam band that's pretty cool.

When you open up the field of jam and improvisation, an indie band like Akron/Family becomes something like AMM, while AMM themselves are a jam band in their own way. The style of AMM and its guitarist Keith Rowe is incredible and certainly could fall under the blanket of "jam."

Joe Rice

07-17-2006, 10:42 PM

you're dismissing an entire genre way to easily. Improvisation is a beautiful thing, not self indlugence. Phish shows are mindblowing. And I can only imagine what it was like to see the Dead live. They put out some great albums too, Junta and The Anthem of the Sun for example.

Bad jam bands suck. moe., for example, bores me to death. Good jam bands, though? pretty awesome for zoning out into the music. The Motet is a lesser known jam band that's pretty cool.

When you open up the field of jam and improvisation, an indie band like Akron/Family becomes something like AMM, while AMM themselves are a jam band in their own way. The style of AMM and its guitarist Keith Rowe is incredible and certainly could fall under the blanket of "jam."

Listening to Phish or the Dead makes me want to hurt myself until I can't hear it anymore.

Eliot Johnson

07-17-2006, 10:48 PM

Listening to Phish or the Dead makes me want to hurt myself until I can't hear it anymore.

way to explain your point of view.

Joe Rice

07-17-2006, 10:50 PM

way to explain your point of view.

Yeah, well, there isn't much more to say. I listen and I find the songs idiotic and uninteristing and the endless "jams" horribly self-centered and unentertaining or artistic.

Adam Crocker

07-17-2006, 10:52 PM

When you open up the field of jam and improvisation, an indie band like Akron/Family becomes something like AMM, while AMM themselves are a jam band in their own way. The style of AMM and its guitarist Keith Rowe is incredible and certainly could fall under the blanket of "jam."

Maybe but it seems under that logic any band that uses improvisation extensively is a jam band, even though what AMM does is completely different from the Dead. And Joe doesn't seem to be objecting to improvisation so much as the kind of rock music that the Dead, Phish, et. al. connote.

(I've never gotten into the Dead myself.)

Listening to Phish or the Dead makes me want to hurt myself until I can't hear it anymore.

So what does the Dave Matthews band want to make you do to yourself?

Joe Rice

07-17-2006, 10:58 PM

DMB? I think I'd rather hear that in the background than Phish or the Dead. But that's like saying, "Yes, please remove my nose without anaesthesia rather than my eyeball and pee pee."

Eliot Johnson

07-17-2006, 11:44 PM

DMB? I think I'd rather hear that in the background than Phish or the Dead. But that's like saying, "Yes, please remove my nose without anaesthesia rather than my eyeball and pee pee."

DMB is awful.

I love, Joe, how you can tell exactly the artist's intent in making music. Jam music is the exact opposite of self-centered. It's trying to make music for other people to just feel. it's just having fun. it's beautiful how they can use their technical expertise and combine it with their emotion and creativity to create music for so many people to *experience.* Jam music is in so many ways the purest form of music.

I'm personally not a huge Dead fan, but some of their live stuff is cool and, additionally, the aforementioned Anthem of the Sun is a classic album.

Adam,

While I know that Joe isn't talking about bands like AMM or even Akron/Family, I also feel that if he's going to slam the genre as a whole he should know all the ins and outs of it.

Joe Rice

07-17-2006, 11:49 PM

DMB is awful.

I love, Joe, how you can tell exactly the artist's intent in making music. Jam music is the exact opposite of self-centered. It's trying to make music for other people to just feel. it's just having fun. it's beautiful how they can use their technical expertise and combine it with their emotion and creativity to create music for so many people to *experience.* Jam music is in so many ways the purest form of music.

I'm personally not a huge Dead fan, but some of their live stuff is cool and, additionally, the aforementioned Anthem of the Sun is a classic album.

Adam,

While I know that Joe isn't talking about bands like AMM or even Akron/Family, I also feel that if he's going to slam the genre as a whole he should know all the ins and outs of it.

I find the classic "jam bands" equally awful. Completely uninteresting unless you're tripping or trying to get into a hippie's pants. You want to have a long damn song? Write one. You want to sit around and noodle on your guitar endlessly? Do it at home with your goddam stoned friends. I find it musically ridiculous and without artistic merit.

Ed Cunard

07-18-2006, 07:34 AM

not even Phish? or the Dead?

No. I can handle a little Dead, but definitely not Phish.

I once somewhat-jokingly described jam bands as follows in some stupid meme thing:

Some of my friends outside comics--including my younger brother--and maybe some of my friends in comics are big on those things. Will, to his credit, only vibes on the Grateful Dead for familial reasons, but others are into Phish and whatever other bands there are. To me, it sounds like what jazz would sound like if jazz decided to suck harder than Kenny G.

Here's the thing--I don't necessarily think all jam bands are skillless twits, but this isn't about what I think is good and what I think is bad--this is what I like and, specific to this thread, what I don't like. I derive no enjoyment from bands like Phish or Dave Matthews Band, and I don't expect others to go all apeshit for hip hop, jazz or the Cole Porter songbook like I do.

jessecuster3

07-18-2006, 08:04 AM

Its funny how, jam bands automatically are The Dead and Phish, what about the Allman Brothers ? and the Doors at times, and frankly Zeppelin was too, Page used to jam ALOT.

I think most times its not even about the band, but about annoyance with the fans. I agree with this, I am turned off of a lot of stuff, because I have never owned a tie dyed shirt, had long hair and I don't smoke weed.

Joe, there is a big difference between the sound of guys who should be at home in their garage stoned playing the guitar, and a full band working together in sync, while still being somewhat free-form. The Grateful Dead mastered this in the 70's and early 80's.

Ed Cunard

07-18-2006, 08:11 AM

Oh, more hatey things:

I also don't really like very much classic rock.

Adam Crocker

07-18-2006, 08:34 AM

While I know that Joe isn't talking about bands like AMM or even Akron/Family, I also feel that if he's going to slam the genre as a whole he should know all the ins and outs of it.

Yes, but what do AMM and Akron/Family have to do with jam bands? "Jam Band" refers to a kind of jam oriented rock music that started with the Dead in which the improvisation is placed in the context of the pop/rock song (which was why a good deal of the time the improvisation is often based in soloing within that songwriting form). Granted that's not really a good definition since it doesn't explain why Blues Traveller, the Dead, and Phish are called "jam bands" but the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Led Zeppelin, and Sonic Youth are not. Anyone have anything to add to this?

Arguably Akron/Family could be placed in that category since their work has some grounding in that musical form. Though musically they sound pretty far away from those bands traditionally labelled "jam bands" (i.e.; the Dead, Phish, Blues Traveller, etc.) In fact it sounds like psychedelic folk stretched to its logical extremes of weirdness but according to the aesthetics of indie rock. (Which arguably makes it even weirder sounding.) AMM's completely outside of it though since they are an avante-garde, free improvisation unit.

Jam music is in so many ways the purest form of music.

How is it the purest form of music? Because it throws improvisation into the popular song format? Arguably wouldn't totally instrumental music be even purer?

Personally I don't mind improvisation in my rock music (Hendrix, Sonic Youth, Television, Syd-era Floyd, White Light/White Heat, etc.) though I can't say I've ever gotten much into "jam bands." I did like the Dead's "Dark Star" though, well save for the parts where Jerry Garcia opened his mouth to sing.

Patient Boy

07-18-2006, 08:39 AM

I don't discriminate by genre.

Joe Rice

07-18-2006, 10:44 AM

I don't see "Jam band" music as more pure at all. I don't even know what "pure music" is. And I know that the Dead and Phish have some very good musicians. I don't care. I find their music self-absorbed and incredibly dull. I don't want to listen to noodling. I don't want to listen to lots of improv. I want to listen to songs.

Dustin

07-18-2006, 10:50 AM

Here is a list of the music I can't stand.

1. Bluegrass
2. Country

Valmore

07-18-2006, 11:33 AM

Reptisaurus!

07-18-2006, 11:40 AM

No. I can handle a little Dead, but definitely not Phish.

Huh. I like Phish a lot more than the Dead. More funk in the bass lines, more dynamic... And funnier. I can deal with Phish coverin' Stevie Wonder, but the Dead doin' Marvin Gaye is an insult to sound waves.

Although I'm fine with most of the Dead's individual songs. There's some catchy little melodies. But there's no tension to their music.

Brannon

07-18-2006, 12:15 PM

Jam bands tend to be mainly for muscians and the stoned, I agree. I enjoy jamming when it's creative and exciting (Zeppelin, Hendrix, Cream, Floyd) but, like anything else, the "artistic merit" lies in relative talent of the artist. Some groups can make masterpieces that last 12 minutes, others can make masterpieces that use few cords and last only a few minutes. While I hate mindlessly uncreative jamming, I also hate equally mindless "punk poser" songs with nothing going on but the image.

Dustin

07-18-2006, 04:44 PM

I also can't stand emo music. Its to depressing.:(

And I hate death metal. They sing to crazy.

leonaozaki

07-18-2006, 04:54 PM

Oh, more hatey things:

I also don't really like very much classic rock.

Just curious: what do you mean when you say "classic rock?"

On topic: the last time we had one of these threads, I hated nu-country, modern R&B, and nu-metal. I've since found things to like in the first two, but I still hate nu-metal.

rob

leonaozaki

07-18-2006, 04:59 PM

And as far as jam bands go, I love improvisational music in theory-- otherwise I couldn't be a jazz fan. I do own some Dead records, but they're-- Workingman's Dead and American Beauty-- the ones where the Dead do the country-rock thing they were so good at. I even liked Phish when they stuck to the poppier stuff, like Hoist. There's a great New Orleans band, Galactic, that does the jam thing well.

But in general I find jammers have neither the chops nor the inspiration to pull it off.

Were the Allman Brothers a jam band? Because they were fantastic at their peak.

rob

Ed Cunard

07-18-2006, 05:20 PM

Just curious: what do you mean when you say "classic rock?"

Led Zeppelin and the like. I know, I'm a bad person.

I do like some of it, though--Jimi Hendrix, a few Who songs. It's more of a general, overall dislike--if I have the choice between an oldies station or a classic rock station, I'll take the oldies station.

Ilash

07-18-2006, 05:52 PM

Led Zeppelin and the like. I know, I'm a bad person.

I do like some of it, though--Jimi Hendrix, a few Who songs. It's more of a general, overall dislike--if I have the choice between an oldies station or a classic rock station, I'll take the oldies station.

Uh, and here's the old problem with defining "classic rock". Here's a list of a few bands that I would classify as "classic rock" based on my definition that any rock and roll that came out between the mid sixties and the mid seventies counts as "classic rock":

The Beatles
The Kinks
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Jethro Tull
The Velvet Underground (yes!)
The Rolling Stones
The Allman Brothers Band
The Grateful Dead
Pink Floyd
Cream
Led Zeppelin
The Doors
The Who
Crosby Stills and Nash
The Byrds
Jefferson Airplane
The Beach Boys

Do you mean that you hate all of those guys? It's a pretty diverse selection of stuff to write off in a single shot. Now if you're simply referring to Zeppelin-type bands, well, there I might even agree with you because if even Zep can't do Zep-style music all that well a lot of the time, you can imagine what some of their truly idiotic followers sounded like. So, just out of curiosity, which is it?

As for the jam band argument, I personally do prefer song-based rock and roll rather than loose improv type stuff. That said, there is plenty to be said for a good jam - and yes, like Leonazaki says, The Allmans are probably the best example of this - as it's very possibly the most thoroughly absorbing form of rock music there is. When it's done right. When it's not done right though, it is easily the most tiring, boring form of music around.

Of course, it's also a good idea to seperate free form, improvisational jamming with a somewhat more structured kind of jamming. While I do have trouble dealing with large amounts of even the best of the former (Mountain Jam by the Allmans being a good example of waay too much of a good thing), the latter is generally much more accessible. Now, as for a good example of the latter, well just pull out a copy of The Who's Live at Leeds (er, you do have a copy of the greatest live album on your shelf, don't you?) and turn to My Generation. While the first part of the fifteen minute-long song (more or less two minutes in total) is a slightly more ferocious version of the Who's signature tune, the rest of it is simply the most breathtaking "jam" I have ever come across. Some of it does seem to be improvised on the spot but a good portion of it is based on actual fully formed musical sections from other songs, making the jam far more varied and thus, far more entertaining.

Ed Cunard

07-18-2006, 05:58 PM

The Beatles-like 'em!
The Kinks-like 'em!
Lynyrd Skynyrd-don't like 'em!
Jethro Tull-I don't recall.
The Velvet Underground (yes!)-love 'em!
The Rolling Stones-like 'em!
The Allman Brothers Band-don't like 'em!
The Grateful Dead-hate 'em!
Pink Floyd-eh.
Cream-like 'em!
Led Zeppelin-hate 'em!
The Doors-ambivalent. Used to love them, now I'm torn.
The Who-like a few songs.
Crosby Stills and Nash-take or leave 'em.
The Byrds-take or leave 'em.
Jefferson Airplane-like 'em.
The Beach Boys-like 'em!

I guess I like more classic rock than I realized. Maybe just the more Zeppelin-esque stuff is what I hate.

It's a pretty diverse selection of stuff to write off in a single shot.

While you have a point, and have shown me my ass on the classic rock thing, I'd say that rap/hip hop has a pretty diverse selection, too. And I'm sure the metal fans here will tell me that metal's diverse, but I still hate the metal. This is the stuff we hate--it doesn't have to have any rhyme or reason.

Ilash

07-18-2006, 06:12 PM

The Beatles-like 'em!
The Kinks-like 'em!
Lynyrd Skynyrd-don't like 'em!
Jethro Tull-I don't recall.
The Velvet Underground (yes!)-love 'em!
The Rolling Stones-like 'em!
The Allman Brothers Band-don't like 'em!
The Grateful Dead-hate 'em!
Pink Floyd-eh.
Cream-like 'em!
Led Zeppelin-hate 'em!
The Doors-ambivalent. Used to love them, now I'm torn.
The Who-like a few songs.
Crosby Stills and Nash-take or leave 'em.
The Byrds-take or leave 'em.
Jefferson Airplane-like 'em.
The Beach Boys-like 'em!

I guess I like more classic rock than I realized. Maybe just the more Zeppelin-esque stuff is what I hate.

Thought this might be the case.

While you have a point, and have shown me my ass on the classic rock thing, I'd say that rap/hip hop has a pretty diverse selection, too. And I'm sure the metal fans here will tell me that metal's diverse, but I still hate the metal. This is the stuff we hate--it doesn't have to have any rhyme or reason.

Without openning up the whole diversity in hip hop argument again (or metal for that matter), those are fairly easily definable music styles, "classic rock" isn't. Everyone is free to hate what they want of course and, yeah, I wouldn't have a problem (well, not much of one) if you did indeed hate all of "classic rock" but because it's such an unbelievably vague term, I just wanted to understand where exactly where you're coming from.

Reptisaurus!

07-18-2006, 08:43 PM

Without openning up the whole diversity in hip hop argument again (or metal for that matter), those are fairly easily definable music styles.....

Well, unless you hang out on the edges.

Is Saul Williams hip-hop? Is Tricky? Is Faith No More Metal?

"classic rock" isn't.

In America it's fairly easily defined as "Bands that gets played on Classic Rock Radio." All of the stuff on your list is, except for the Beach Boys who'd get filed under pop, and the Velvets, who'd probably get filed under "College/Alternative."

But "Classic Rock" where I come from, is a designation of radio format, designating several individual styles of "rock" over a given time period. ('65-90ish.)

Athena Bast

07-18-2006, 08:51 PM

Ahhhhh they're merging.... Avril Lavigne and Derek Whitby (Sum 41) got married.

Ahhhhh... run.... hide.... the apocalypse is coming!!

Adam Crocker

07-18-2006, 11:14 PM

Me? I hate many of the most commonly cited things here like pop country, soft rock, smooth jazz, etc., but since this thread asks what music style I hate the most I thought about it and decided I hate modern "pop punk" (or "ponk") the most. Granted there are is one major mitigating factors to this. By sheer circumstance I have been exposed to it more than these other genres, thanks to it popping up on the playlist of the rock channel of whatever internet radio service the University gym uses. So I guess my hate is partly boosted by that.

But then again that wouldn't explain why I hate it more than even post-grunge or nu-metal. Ponk is truly some of the worst music I have ever heard. As I have said before, classic punk's strength was that it was a new musical style built up from other elements (50s and early 60s rock'n'roll, garage, the VU, etc.). This is why the Ramones, the Sex Pistols, the Clash, the Buzzcocks, and others, while playing a similar style of simple rock'n'roll, did have their own sound which you could pick out. (Even moreso for Richard Hell and the Voidoids, but Robert Quine and Ivan Julian were much more skilled than most punk musicians and more inventive.) A Simple Plan, Sum-41, Good Charolette, Green Day, and more their ilk just blend together to my ears, discernable only by whose singers' whine is the most grating. Same damn power chords, same damn use of barre chords based on the E major shape, AAGGGHHHH same goddamn palm muted power chord bridge! Of course the same can be said of nonmainstream punk revivalist and hardcore acts, who are little more inventive. But at least they can offer up visceral energy. Ponk doesn't even have that, merely a facile similucarum of such. And frequently they trade in even that for slower, more balladly like compositions that add an extra bit of polish to the song, making it even more awful.

And that's saying nothing of the songwriting itself, which I'm too damn tired to get into, save for this one song I heard over the radio at the gym. Except for parts of the chorus it used the same rhyme in every single line. Every single one. It was neither clever nor brainlessly catchy. Just gratingly clumsy. It was, without a doubt, the single worst piece of songwriting I have ever heard, topping My Chemical Romance, Avril Lavigne, Michael Bolton, Nickelback, Staind, A Simple Plan, Sum-41, Celine Dion, Good Charolette, the Doors, and yes even G.G. Allin for sheer awfulness.

(Oh wait...it WAS A Simple Plan! That explains everything! ARGH!)

Gezora

07-20-2006, 01:07 PM

Thank you, Adam Crocker.

Finally, someone else gets it.

Buried Alien

07-20-2006, 02:06 PM

And that's saying nothing of the songwriting itself, which I'm too damn tired to get into, save for this one song I heard over the radio at the gym. Except for parts of the chorus it used the same rhyme in every single line. Every single one. It was neither clever nor brainlessly catchy. Just gratingly clumsy. It was, without a doubt, the single worst piece of songwriting I have ever heard, topping My Chemical Romance, Avril Lavigne, Michael Bolton, Nickelback, Staind, A Simple Plan, Sum-41, Celine Dion, Good Charolette, the Doors, and yes even G.G. Allin for sheer awfulness.

But was it worse than "We Built This City?"

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Voncaster

07-21-2006, 02:11 PM

Country music I can't get into.

Twangy guitars and lyrics about good old USA...its just a combo that I find hard to stomach.

Adam Crocker

07-21-2006, 02:21 PM

Thank you, Adam Crocker.

Finally, someone else gets it.

"Finally?" Pop punk is pretty universally reviled here, and widely reviled in the wider world, even if the bands do sell well.

Adam Crocker

07-21-2006, 02:22 PM

But was it worse than "We Built This City?"

Okay, second worst song I ever heard.

leonaozaki

07-21-2006, 03:33 PM

Country music I can't get into.

Twangy guitars and lyrics about good old USA...its just a combo that I find hard to stomach.

Most country songs feature twangy guitars, yes (except for Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings) but only a minority are actually the kind of patriotic tub-thumping Toby Keith has made notorious (well, and Merle Haggard before him).

rob

leonaozaki

07-21-2006, 03:33 PM

"Finally?" Pop punk is pretty universally reviled here, and widely reviled in the wider world, even if the bands do sell well.

Agreed, but I still think you're selling Green Day short.

rob

Ontir

07-21-2006, 03:35 PM

To me, Greenday is to Punk, what the Bay City Rollers are to the Rolling Stones.

You really can't criticize Michael Bolton on songwriting, since the larger part of his catalouge is made up of really good songs, that have previously been recorded by people who haven't turned a hernia into a vocal style!

Celine Dion... Well... She's something of a guilty pleasure. I love her voice, but most of her songs are utter crap. I do LOVE her cover of "River Deep/Mountain High," though!

zombie

07-21-2006, 04:33 PM

"Finally?" Pop punk is pretty universally reviled here, and widely reviled in the wider world, even if the bands do sell well.

Do Alkaline Trio and the Lawrence Arms count as pop punk?

DDM

07-21-2006, 05:56 PM

Agreed, but I still think you're selling Green Day short.

rob

Dookie is good enough for me. Green Day is juvenile, whiny, diluted, radio-friendly "punk." or ponk. Whatever.

Pinball

07-21-2006, 08:42 PM

"Finally?" Pop punk is pretty universally reviled here, and widely reviled in the wider world, even if the bands do sell well.
...even Shonen Knife?:(

howyadoin

07-21-2006, 09:21 PM

Agreed, but I still think you're selling Green Day short.Seconded.

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Adam Crocker

07-21-2006, 09:26 PM

...even Shonen Knife?:(

*Ahem*

*Looks through the indie snob rule-book*

Sez here in Rule 65.6 that Shonen Knife are not "pop-punk" but "fast-paced-punky-indie-pop" and therefore acceptable!

Do Alkaline Trio and the Lawrence Arms count as pop punk?

I don't know. I think we're going to need a ruling on that from the Snob High Council. But I can't say it looks good for the Alkaline Trio with their stylised and unifrom fashion sense as well as developing penchant for eye-liner. :(

zombie

07-21-2006, 10:06 PM

I don't know. I think we're going to need a ruling on that from the Snob High Council. But I can't say it looks good for the Alkaline Trio with their stylised and unifrom fashion sense as well as developing penchant for eye-liner. :(

But two of them are Satanists!

Adam Crocker

07-22-2006, 01:32 PM

But two of them are Satanists!

You act like that actually means anything. Satanism is lam0rz. You have Marilyn Manson and Death Metal to thank for that.

Now had they been members of Ordo Temple Orientis or Libertarians I might have been impressed. Now, I should just ban them on general principle!

Valmore

07-22-2006, 02:58 PM

Seconded.

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Green Day isn't so bad. They put together a decent enough tune from time to time.

Adam Crocker

07-22-2006, 03:53 PM

Agreed, but I still think you're selling Green Day short.

Seconded.

Green Day isn't so bad. They put together a decent enough tune from time to time.

*Checks again*

Hm, no, nope, no, and...no.

Jonathan Bogart

07-22-2006, 06:17 PM

I dunno. There's music I'd rather not listen to and music I'd rather listen to (all depending on mood, circumstance, and opportunity), but I could never say anything like "I hate modern country," or "I hate metal" or "I hate pop-punk," because there are times and places when I do want to hear some Tim McGraw, some Slayer, and some Offspring.

My references are about ten years old, though, you'll notice. I don't know enough about the up-to-the-minute scenes to really love or hate; but the chance that I'll investigate enough to form opinions is pretty slim. And I wonder how much of what people are calling "hate" in this thread is really just the willful ignorance I'm fessing up to.

But like I've said before, I'm very rarely in situations where I don't have control over what I'm listening to, so I don't really get many opportunities to seethe with rage against shitty music that I can't make stop. (Though on the rare occasions when I am so trapped, I'll usually end up finding something to like in music I wouldn't have chosen to listen to. I'm a pussy that way.)