Avengers League Playoffs: Nightcrawler v. The kentonator

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next playoff match of the Avengers League! If you haven't been following the league, it is a large scale series of battles where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place on an empty battlefield, 100 yards away, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (therefore, no Iron Spidey or Extremis Iron Man), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

!!! - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

Nightcrawler'steam: Graviton, Blackout, Purple Man, Whizzer, Living Lightning, American Eagle

kentonator's team: Sersi, Hulk, Starhawk, Wolverine, Mach IV, Deathbird, Pip the Troll

[Jessica Drew]

Nightcrawler's strategy:

Phase 1 (Instantly and Simultaneously)
• Graviton unleashes a powerful force blast at Sersi. These blasts are the equivalent of 20,000 tons of TNT.
• Living Lightning transforms into his energy form and flies over and hovers above the other team until Graviton’s blast has subsided. If Sersi is still conscious he grabs her head and sends tens of thousands of bolts of electricity directly into her brain.
• At the same time, Blackout teleports himself, American Eagle, and Purple Man to about 20 yards to the side of kentonator’s team, so they won’t be hit by Graviton’s blast. Blackout starts firing at the other team randomly, but focuses on Starhawk.
• American Eagle shoots his crossbow at Mach IV’s visor, trying to disrupt the delicate circuitry.
• Purple Man takes control of anyone who tries to engage that group.
• Whizzer plays defense, super-fast punching anyone who comes near him and Graviton.

Phase 2
• Graviton puts a shield up around himself, and then reduces Hulk’s gravitational pull to almost nothing. If Hulk tries to run or jump, he will simply float up into the air and drift away. He cannot get down to the ground, because he has nothing to push himself off of.
• Living Lightning engages Mach IV. His armor is easily defeated by a being of pure energy. Living Lightning is near invulnerable in his energy form, moves ‘lightning fast,’ and has a lot of firepower. Hopefully, some lose circuits have been opened by American Eagle’s crossbow shots, and Living Lightning will be able to enter though there and disable Mach IV’s armor from the inside. If that’s not possible, then he resorts to just blasting Mach IV until he goes down. American Eagle also helps.
• Whizzer sprints over and punches Wolverine repeatedly in the stomach and other vulnerable areas where there isn’t any bone (abdomen, lower sides, lower front of neck, etc.). This effectively cripples Wolverine.
• Blackout keeps blasting Starhawk. If Starhawk tries to bring the fight to him, Blackout uses Darkforce to hold Starhawk in place while he continues his assault.
• Purple Man tells Deathbird to take Pip the Troll and attack Hulk, who is floating around in the lower atmosphere. Needless to say, Deathbird and Pip approach Hulk (Pip won’t resist because he thinks Deathbird is on his team), Deathbird starts clawing and Hulk, Hulk slams Deathbird, and she and Pip go tumbling down. A fall from that height is enough to finish them even if Hulk’s blow didn’t.

Phase 3
• Purple Man tells Wolverine to kill himself.
• American Eagle, Living Lightning, Whizzer, and Blackout team up and take down Starhawk, who is held immobile by Blackout.
• Graviton increases Hulk’s gravitational pull, letting him slowly fall back to Earth. When he is around 25 yards above the ground, Graviton decreases his pull to nothing, letting him hang there freely.
• Graviton, Blackout, and Living Lightning fire everything they have and Hulk. Purple Man orders them not to stop until Hulk is finished.

[Jessica Drew]

kentonator's strategy:

Round 1

Instantly without even thinking about it Sersi rearranges Gravitons molecules turning him into a stone statue rendering him useless for the rest of the battle.

Now anticipating for speedsters to rush Mach IV will use his photon blast to blind the rest of Nightcrawlers team. If the living lightning has already gone into his lightning form then the Kentovengers will deal with him accordingly.

Acting quickly as soon as they are all blinded the Hulk gives a thunderclap towards the whole team this should easily take out American eagle, Also It will render anyone who was already blinded even more useless than they were already especially since none of his characters are physical at all. None of his characters, except the lightning will be able to stand to the power of a thunderclap.

After the thunderclap Wolverine, Deathbird and Starhawk all spring into action.
Deathbird takes to the sky flying towards Nightcrawlers team, Wolverine is running towards them as well. Starhawk is focused on where the living lightning will be and BOOM uses a high energy blast of his power to knock him out of the way of any attack he was going to make.
End round 1: American Eagle down. Graviton turned into stone. The rest of the team suffering from blindness and the thunderclap possibly knocked out, the living lightning if in his lightning form can probably escape the photon blast and be minorly phased by the thunderclap.

Round 2
Sersi turns to Purple Man, the purple man should already be temporarily blind and almost knocked out or in a concussive state from the thunderclap she quickly manipulates the energy forces around her sending out a blast with enough force to crush a car right into the Purple Man taking him down for the rest of the fight.

The biggest threat at the moment is the living lightning if and only if he transformed right away, Starhawk knows where the lightning is going to be moving to and is blasting him away from any and all attacks that the lightning is going to think about making wearing him down as much as possible.

Wolverine and Deathbird have ender their charge and have reached nightcrawlers already hurt avengers. Deathbird goes into a rage on the whizzer who would be downed and stunned slashing him and beating him, Wolverine jumps onto Blackout busting him around not using his claws unless Blackout gains an upperhand. Seeing that his friends have someone to “play with” and he doesn’t Hulk gets mad, and wants Wolverine to share! In a single leap the Hulk reaches Blackout and punches him in the face sending him flying into the country side.

Pip the troll runs off towards blackout

End round 2: Previously out AE and Graviton, at the beginning they were all stunned and hurt from the thunderclap while the lightning was occupied by starhawk. Lightning will be occupied at the end of this round still, Blackout was beaten by wolverine and then punched in the face by a jealous hulk, and Whizzer is being beaten on by the psycho lady deathbird. And purple man had been taken care of by sersi.

Round 3:

Knowing she is resistant to lightning Sersi turns to the LL after he receives one last blast from Starhawk, Sersi flies right to him and cracks him one in the face! She brings up her other hand and smashes him again! Knocking him back, using her matter manipulation one more time rearranging the forces around the living lightning causing him taking away all the positively charged electrons leaving the negative electrons nothing to collide into thus removing the lightning.

NOW yells Starhawk! Just then Mach IV releases his rapid fire rubber bullets at the lightning’s human form body right in the face to knock him out for good.

This takes care of the last of Nightcrawlers Avengers.

Back up plans.

If the speeders rush Sersi before she can transmute Graviton, Starhawk immediately blasts away the Living lightning and Deathbird does her best to intercept Whizzer, while Sersi then takes to the Air and continues with her plan. From here the fight will continue as normal except Deathbird will already be engaged with Whizzer doing her best to keep him at bay.

If Sersi is somehow downed which would be nearly impossible for this team, Graviton cant do anything because he relies on rearranged the gravity forces which Sersi can just manipulate right back. The Hulk will jump to Graviton after his thunderclap and begin fighting. Starhawk will use a much much more powerful blast on the lightning and taking him out for good. His blasts can be the power of a star. Then Starhawk will also lay it on to Graviton.

[Nightcrawler]

-'Without even thinking'? A Sersi ever demonstrated this proficiency and speed from that distance before? I would think she has to think about it. She can't know what her move is going to be before the match starts, it will take her a moment to register where Graviton is, locate his molecules, and then rearrage them. All Graviton has to do is unleashe a blast, which requires hardly as much finesse (sp) and concentration as rearranging molecules does.

-How bright can Mach IV's light be from 100 yards away? It's not going to blind anyone from that range, and neither is Hulk's thunderclap. His clap has only been powerful in very close combat, it's not going to take out anyone. Also, most of my team had teleported away, so they won't be affected at all.

-Starhawk won't be able to hurt Living Lightning in his energy form. He's too fast and too durable.

-A lot of kentonator's strategy relies on my team being stunned and hurt for the whole match by Hulk's thunderclap from 100 yards away. That simply won't do anything to them. Like I said before, most of my team teleported away, and the ones that stayed behind are too far away for the clap to have any affect on.

-Blackout could easily take out Wolverine long before he even reached him. And Whizzer is fast enough to take Deathbird, or at least run away if he is outmatched.

-Sersi punches lightning? Interesting...Also, I'm not sure what removing the positively charged electrons would do, if that's even possible. I think you might be over estimating Sersi. Electrons are much smaller than atoms, and atoms are much, much smaller than molecules, and I thought Sersi was on the molecular transformation scale.

-Starhawk cannot beat Living Lightning. His reactions are too slow.

-Final note- his whole strategy relies on Sersi being conscious. I think I took her down fast enough. What is easier to do- rearrage molecules from 100 yards away, or fire a beam of energy? Plus, I have Living Lightning to take her down, as well. He even admits in the second to last paragraph that my speedsters could reach her before her attack. And Living Lightning can fly, too, so going into the air won't save her.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I agree with pretty much everything Nightcrawler said above here so I voted for him.
Now somebody go vote in my fight.

[kentonator]

-'Without even thinking'? A Sersi ever demonstrated this proficiency and speed from that distance before? I would think she has to think about it. She can't know what her move is going to be before the match starts, it will take her a moment to register where Graviton is, locate his molecules, and then rearrage them. All Graviton has to do is unleashe a blast, which requires hardly as much finesse (sp) and concentration as rearranging molecules does.


By "without even thinking" I meant it more as a way of saying that this is what she does first, instantly bamo! She would have to think about the move of course but she can do it easy and quick. Beside she once turned three villains into animals in a second just by pointing at them, good luck getting those blasts off, it was so impressive that moondragon was scared.


-How bright can Mach IV's light be from 100 yards away?

Well its not a 100 yards away because he has to fire it at your team and it explodes....like a flare gun, so its close range and very brite!


His clap has only been powerful in very close combat, it's not going to take out anyone. Also, most of my team had teleported away, so they won't be affected at all.

You didnt teleport away you teleported closer to me.... so if you were 100 yards by the time you teleport you are now 20 yards and then its not like hulk is going to watch you port and then clap in that direction...he will turn and give it to you there. He holds off on doing this a couple of moves down so by then your team will have ported.
-Starhawk won't be able to hurt Living Lightning in his energy form. He's too fast and too durable.

-A lot of kentonator's strategy relies on my team being stunned and hurt for the whole match by Hulk's thunderclap from 100 yards away. That simply won't do anything to them. Like I said before, most of my team teleported away, and the ones that stayed behind are too far away for the clap to have any affect on.

yeah the ones that are behind are already being delt with, you ported closer to me

-Blackout could easily take out Wolverine long before he even reached him. And Whizzer is fast enough to take Deathbird, or at least run away if he is outmatched.

well the fact that they were ported to me and thunderclapped, stacked on top and then beaten, sure blackout could last against wolverine but once the hulk go there? Whizzer is gonna be stunned and DB will get the upper hand and start her assult, it will take him some time to get into this fight, DB is above normal speed as well reaching about 70mph not as fast as wizzer but still fast.

-Sersi punches lightning? Interesting...Also, I'm not sure what removing the positively charged electrons would do, if that's even possible. I think you might be over estimating Sersi. Electrons are much smaller than atoms, and atoms are much, much smaller than molecules, and I thought Sersi was on the molecular transformation scale.

lighting is the positive and negative charged electrons smashing into each other causing the heat flashes that is lightning, removing one of the charges removes any collision of these electrons to create lightning.
As for rearranging it, Electrons are what holds the atoms in a molecule so the molecules are based on positive and negative charages from the electrons and thats how they get their properties which forms different elements and all that jazz....even if she wasnt taking away the electrons she would still be able to take awy the molecules with a higher charge, besides her tansumation deals with and matter, not just molecules.




-Starhawk cannot beat Living Lightning. His reactions are too slow.

Lightning is sitting above the battle waiting to strike starhawk knows this and he knows when lightning will charge, LL will be blasted down.


-Final note- his whole strategy relies on Sersi being conscious. I think I took her down fast enough. What is easier to do- rearrage molecules from 100 yards away, or fire a beam of energy? Plus, I have Living Lightning to take her down, as well. He even admits in the second to last paragraph that my speedsters could reach her before her attack. And Living Lightning can fly, too, so going into the air won't save her.

I dont think you will be able to get this off but EVEN if you do lets see
The blasts are 20,000 tons, a nuclear bomb is recorded at 907,000 tons of TNT, Sersi took a blast from the Silver Surfer and was able to stalemate him. Silver Surfer is more power than a nuke, the blast is way lower than a nuke. The only reason why you say its 20,000 tons of TNT! is because it sounds cool and imposing but in a scale of this big going against Sersi its nothing. The blast will not hurt her if he gets it off and even if, it will only deter her for a moment till Graviton is stone and useless

So that covers anything you have to disclaim my strategy.

edit:
for those that done wanna calculate the 20,000 ton blast is .022 percent of power from a nuke. Sure that could blast a big hole kill people, but the most powerful Eternal? She recovers quickly.

[Sean Whitmore]

Wow, I think kentonator matched Nightcrawler's points rather nicely.

In the end, though, it all becomes a matter of who struck first...Graviton or Sersi. I don't know how quickly Sersi can transmute someone...but I also don't know how quickly Graviton can build up an energy blast of that magnitude.

AND I also don't know if a blast like that would hurt Sersi. If it didn't, I'd say she could do the transmutation before Lightning delivered the coup de grace.

So I will wait to hear from more learned voters than myself.


SEAN

[kentonator]

Wow, I think kentonator matched Nightcrawler's points rather nicely.

In the end, though, it all becomes a matter of who struck first...Graviton or Sersi. I don't know how quickly Sersi can transmute someone...but I also don't know how quickly Graviton can build up an energy blast of that magnitude.

AND I also don't know if a blast like that would hurt Sersi. If it didn't, I'd say she could do the transmutation before Lightning delivered the coup de grace.

So I will wait to hear from more learned voters than myself.


SEAN

Sersi only needs a second to manipulate matter, especially if its the size of stone. And by a second mean 1/60th of a minute. I dont know how long it takes grav to fire a blast.

Sersi versus LL? Considering Sersi is resistant against cold, disease, electricity, energy, heat, radiation and toxin attacks. The LL isnt gonna do squat to her. That is why she takes him head on.

[da noble savage]

Wow, I think kentonator matched Nightcrawler's points rather nicely.

In the end, though, it all becomes a matter of who struck first...Graviton or Sersi. I don't know how quickly Sersi can transmute someone...but I also don't know how quickly Graviton can build up an energy blast of that magnitude.

AND I also don't know if a blast like that would hurt Sersi. If it didn't, I'd say she could do the transmutation before Lightning delivered the coup de grace.

So I will wait to hear from more learned voters than myself.


SEAN


ya I agree compeltely I'll wait for others too or at least try to.

[Nightcrawler]

By "without even thinking" I meant it more as a way of saying that this is what she does first, instantly bamo! She would have to think about the move of course but she can do it easy and quick. Beside she once turned three villains into animals in a second just by pointing at them, good luck getting those blasts off, it was so impressive that moondragon was scared.


But how close was she to them? And surely she knew about them in advance, more than a few seconds. To do her attack on Graviton, she has to locate Graviton's molecules, recall the molecular structure of stone (she knows literally millions of molecular structures), and then change his molecules. Can she even use her powers at that range?


You didnt teleport away you teleported closer to me.... so if you were 100 yards by the time you teleport you are now 20 yards and then its not like hulk is going to watch you port and then clap in that direction...he will turn and give it to you there. He holds off on doing this a couple of moves down so by then your team will have ported.


That doesn't make any sense. In your strategy you say 'acting quikcly as soon as they are all blinded', so, no, he's not going to see my team teleport and react in time. I say in my strategy that my team teleports to the side, so they won't be hit by the blast. If you try to argue that the blast goes in all directions, then you're just destroying your team, who are much closer.


well the fact that they were ported to me and thunderclapped, stacked on top and then beaten, sure blackout could last against wolverine but once the hulk go there? Whizzer is gonna be stunned and DB will get the upper hand and start her assult, it will take him some time to get into this fight, DB is above normal speed as well reaching about 70mph not as fast as wizzer but still fast.


But they won't be stunned nor blinded, they teleported away before either attack happened. And you're team won't know where they went to until they are being hit.


lighting is the positive and negative charged electrons smashing into each other causing the heat flashes that is lightning, removing one of the charges removes any collision of these electrons to create lightning.
As for rearranging it, Electrons are what holds the atoms in a molecule so the molecules are based on positive and negative charages from the electrons and thats how they get their properties which forms different elements and all that jazz....even if she wasnt taking away the electrons she would still be able to take awy the molecules with a higher charge, besides her tansumation deals with and matter, not just molecules.


If you have any comic evidence that she can do anything like this feat, I would appreciate it. Because I think this is out of her range.


Lightning is sitting above the battle waiting to strike starhawk knows this and he knows when lightning will charge, LL will be blasted down.


He isn't sitting there, he zooms over faster than Starhawk can see, and nails Sersi the next instant. The fact remains that Starhawk doesn't have the reactions to even see Lightning.


I dont think you will be able to get this off but EVEN if you do lets see
The blasts are 20,000 tons, a nuclear bomb is recorded at 907,000 tons of TNT, Sersi took a blast from the Silver Surfer and was able to stalemate him. Silver Surfer is more power than a nuke, the blast is way lower than a nuke. The only reason why you say its 20,000 tons of TNT! is because it sounds cool and imposing but in a scale of this big going against Sersi its nothing. The blast will not hurt her if he gets it off and even if, it will only deter her for a moment till Graviton is stone and useless
edit:
for those that done wanna calculate the 20,000 ton blast is .022 percent of power from a nuke. Sure that could blast a big hole kill people, but the most powerful Eternal? She recovers quickly.

You can't just make claims that Silver Surfer is more powerful than a nuke, and that Sersi is the most powerful Eternal. Even if Graviton's blast doesn't kill her, it'll at least phase her long enough for Living Lightning to finish her.


Sersi versus LL? Considering Sersi is resistant against cold, disease, electricity, energy, heat, radiation and toxin attacks. The LL isnt gonna do squat to her. That is why she takes him head on.


You're just reading from Wikipedia. See the 'Powers' section, at the bottom, 4th bullet. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sersi) Either get a comic source, or don't make that claim.

[Nightcrawler]

AND I also don't know if a blast like that would hurt Sersi. If it didn't, I'd say she could do the transmutation before Lightning delivered the coup de grace

SEAN

Say this happens, and both of our big players are out. I only use Graviton to keep Hulk in the clouds, while he uses Sersi to take out 2 of my guys. Also, Hulk is barely used in kentonator's strategy, so if he's around it's not a big deal. But with Sersi down, Purple Man and Living are still up, and they are my most powerful characters next to Graviton. So if both Graviton and Sersi go down, my team has the advantage.

[Sean Whitmore]

Say this happens, and both of our big players are out. I only use Graviton to keep Hulk in the clouds, while he uses Sersi to take out 2 of my guys. Also, Hulk is barely used in kentonator's strategy, so if he's around it's not a big deal.


What you say about both of your big players being out is true, but it does beg this question: even if kent doesn't utilize Hulk well, does anyone on your team (sans Graviton) possess the power to stop him?


SEAN

[Nightcrawler]

What you say about both of your big players being out is true, but it does beg this question: even if kent doesn't utilize Hulk well, does anyone on your team (sans Graviton) possess the power to stop him?


SEAN

Purple Man could probably control him, Living Lightning might be able to because Hulk could never touch him, and Blackout could trap him in the Darkforce dimesion.

[Will.S]

What you say about both of your big players being out is true, but it does beg this question: even if kent doesn't utilize Hulk well, does anyone on your team (sans Graviton) possess the power to stop him?
Hmm, I'm not so sure he has to since he has Purple Man who could easily just control Hulk and wreak havoc. Unfortunately Nightcrawler doesn't really try the tactic as he could have teleported Purple Man to Hulk using Blackout and use Graviton, Whizzer and LL to run interference.

Also Nightcrawler, you could have trapped Hulk in the darkforce dimension, effectively taking him out of the game. Overall I think I'm gonna go with kentonator here even though Nightcrawler has a great use for Graviton in keeping Hulk immobile but he should still be able to thunderclap his way out of the air. And as Sean said, if he's not being brought into Nightcrawler's team or being eliminated right away, he's going to really cause trouble for the opposing team.

[Big G]

i agree with the assesment that both graviton and sersi will get taken out, and then nightcrawler's team has the upper hand. i like how nightcrawler dealt with the hulk, very creative.

[Nightcrawler]

Good match, kentonator.

[kentonator]

yeah good job dude

even thought i wish i woulda checked the boards later on in the day because i had a lot to say about the things you tried to argue on, and neither of your points were good, they were all redundant

as to this kid

i agree with the assesment that both graviton and sersi will get taken out, and then nightcrawler's team has the upper hand. i like how nightcrawler dealt with the hulk, very creative.

if graviton is taken out then hulk is still gonna be a factor because he is the one to start after him first.