Avengers League Playoffs: Dark Soul #7 v. da noble savage

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next playoff match of the Avengers League! If you haven't been following the league, it is a large scale series of battles where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place on an empty battlefield, 100 yards away, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (therefore, no Iron Spidey or Extremis Iron Man), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

!!! - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

Dark Soul #7's team: Baron Zemo II, Atlas, Ms. Marvel, Shroud, Moses Magnum, Firebird, Drax

da noble savage's team: Maelstrom, Captain Marvel (Monica), The Collector, Arkon, Human Torch I, Doorman

[Jessica Drew]

Dark Soul # 7's strategy:

First things first, aka take out the powerhouses. Zemo quickly teleports Captain Marvel so that she ends up in front of Ms.Marvel and then he quickly opens up a portal that leads to Maelstorm's brain. Zemo will then blast a powerful laser-burst into the portal, destroying Maelstorm's brain. If Maelstorm somehow affects Zemo before he can blast into the portal then Drax will fire his meteor destroying blast into said portal.

As soon as Captain Marvel has been teleported Ms.Marvel will spring into action. If Monica is in human form Ms.Marvel will simply knock her out and if she has turned into her energy form Ms.Marvel will absorb Captain Marvel into herself. Either way Captain Marvel should be surprised by the sudden teleport and is swiftly defeated. Meanwhile everybody else is on guard duty, should the Collector suddenly appear amongst their ranks. If he does they will strike at him as soon as possible.

With the Strangeways two most powerful members defeated my team rushes over to take them out. Firebird takes on Human Torch. The two can pretty much not hurt eachother but it's just a distraction. While Torch is occupied Ms.Marvel will fly behind him and strike when he's not ready. She will use her superior strength and the element of surprise to bash him into the ground until he can't get up again.

Drax picks up Moses Magnum and the two go hunting for Arkon. When they get close enough Drax will let go of M.M. and attack Arkon with energy blasts while M.M. starts a quick earthquake to get Arkon of his feet. Once that is done the two will start to pound the crap out of him. One of them would be enough to defeat Arkon in HTH. Both at the same time while he's off-balance is just overkill, but overkill is fun.

If Collector hasn't popped back and forth in time to try to sneak attack anybody one my team, and gotten pummelled because of it Zemo will first teleport his handheld time travel device away from him and then he will teleport the Collector in front of Atals, who has grown to maximum height. Atlas starts to pound the Collector into the ground and while he may not die he will certainly get knocked out.

As my team is beating up the rest of the Strangeways Shroud walks over to Doorman and the two have a distracting conversation about how it is to be a superhero with entirely dark outfits. As Doorman's guard is lowered by the friendliness of Shroud he is not prepared to be blasted from behind by Baron Zemo, who teleported over there when the rest of the Strangeways were defeated.

[Jessica Drew]

da noble savage's strategy:

Ok it’s about a even match here expect for two big problems, baron zemo and ms marvel so my first two moves well be to get rid of them or at the very least to keep them distracted and unable to effectively attack the rest of my team.

- Ok this two move’s well be done at the same time. One Maelstrom shrink down to sub atomic and fly towards Ms. Marvel while stealing her kinetic energy if anybody get’s in his way he well shrink his self sub atomic and pass through them also along the way to Ms. Marvel he well also siphon off the kinetic energy of Drax as he punch’s the collector more on that below. He then use’s the combined kinetic energy of drax’s punch and the energy of Ms. Marvel to augment his strength and k.o. her seeing as how he he is stealing her energy and drax’s it shouldn’t be very hard for him to one shot her. If she doesn’t go done with one hit he keep’s on hitting until she does go down.

-Ok second simultaneous move Monica transforms into light energy and fly’s straight up in the air at light speed while at the same time she cerate’s a holograph of her self staying in the same position blasting the opposing team with energy, since she well be moving at light speed it should look to the opposing team like she didn’t move at all there by drawing all attack’s focused on her to the hologram. As she is moving up she watch’s for Baron zemo if his first move was to tele. The instant he appears blast’s him with her most powerful focused energy blast he should be hit with it even if he is phased since he can’t phase through energy just like moonstone. If he doesn’t tele. Then she blast’s him where he stand’s or fly’s since she is above him and likely expecting any blast from her to come from her hologram she should be able to blast him with the element of surprise if he doesn’t go down to the first blast she unleashes a barrage of blast at him. If he react’s enough to teleport away she fall’s him at light speed and contunie to blast him until he goes down. He should be to busy trying to get away from her to attack any of her teammates if he try’s to use his powers on her she simply turn’s into neutrino energy which has little to no mass and should therefore be unaffected by his gravity powers. If she is able to k.o. him quickly she goes and helps Malestrom with drax if not she keep’s it up until the rest of his team is down and then her and the colloctor unload on him with energy attacks colloctor of course well stay as far back as he can.

- Now it’s time for the collector to play his part in this little drama, at the start of the match the collector use’s his temporal assimilator to go forward in time to the end of the match and position’s his self above drax’s position at the start of the fight then goes back in time to 1 min. after the start of the fight he then start’s insulting drax and blasting him with his battle suit, now drax of course won’t be hurt by this attack’s but he well be pissed and distracted from whatever attack he was supposed to carry out and instead fly straight toward him and attack him unforutionally that attack and any other attack’s after it won’t touch the collector as drax’s well be having all the kinetic energy of his punch’s stole by maelstrom and used to take down his teammate ms. Marvel, although drax being the guy with rock’s for brains I doubt he well notice and well keep pounding away there by helping maelstrom get stronger and defeat marvel all the quicker. And of course the collector well play his part and continue to insult and blast drax and making sure to draw him away from the other fighters, and keeping him busy until he get’s help in taking him out.

-Human torch at the start of the match well be teleported within 80 ft of firebird and absorb all heat energy from her body, this should be no problem for him unleash she can out put more heat energy then a nuke he should be able to contain it especially since he well be flamed up, he then use’s some of the heat energy to create flame cage’s around shroud and Moses magnum to keep him trapped until he is dealt with. He then continues to draw heat energy from firebird keeping her from flaming up and using her power. He should have no problem doing both. He well also make it a point to stay away from any other fighters.

As soon as maelstrom is done with Ms marvel. He well attack the distracted drax who should still be attacking the collector, it should be no problem for him to absorb the kinetic energy from his attack’s and use it to multiply his attack’s against drax effetely making him fight himself it may take awhile but drax goes down. As soon as Maelstrom start’s attacking drax the collector fly’s over and fry’s moses Magnum from a distance while he is trapped in his fire cage until he is k.o.ed.

-As soon as the match start’s Akron tele.s the human torch then cerate’s two more portal’s one for himself and the other for doorman. Akron steps through the portal which put’s him in front of Atlas and proceeds to taunt him and challenge him to a fight. Atlas of course well see him as nothing more then a minor annoyance and grow to full size and proceeds to try and crush him with his foot, Akron wait’s until atlas’s foot is comeing down then jump’s aside and make’s a gateway on the ground right where he was leading directly over the now flameless and powerless firebird should be taken by surprise by the huge foot smashing down on here and k.o.ing her. Atlas of course well no doubt pause after seeing what he has done and look at her in horror. This pause is just what the human torch was waiting on who well fly up directly in front of atlas’s eye’s and let lose with a blinding flash off flame, blinding atlas then Akron well create another gateway under his feet. Which lead’s 100ft above the ground Human torch then grab’s akron and pick’s him up to fly him out of the area where atlas is falling. Human torch well hold akron by one hand and fly him around the falling atlas keeping out of his reach, Akron well use his other free hand to throw explosive bolt’s at atlas as he fall’s when he is close to the ground Akron well create another portal below him directly over shroud who should at this time be fighting doorman. If Atlas is not k.o.ed after the fall Akron well continue to throw explosion bolts at him until he is k.o.ed. And of course the human torch well do his job of flying him around keeping him out of harm’s way.

- Doorman yes I’m using doorman Darksoul has a lot of guys so I need him to distract shroud for me. Anyway Doorman step’s through his portal and activates his power, he then goes after shroud. shroud of course well create a dark force dimension draw it out in gas from and surround himself and doorman in it to and try and attack him with m.a. skill’s and his explosive boombarangs which well just harmlessly pass through him or course doorman won’t be able to hurt him in the least, but he should keep him busy enough until akron teleports the falling atlas on top of him crushing shroud but leavening doorman not harmed in the least bit as he shall still have his power's activated allow atlus to simply pass through him.

[Dark Soul # 7]

An interesting match I would say. But I think that I would win this one.

As most other fights it depends on the opening moves and while neither of us managed to expect what the other one would do we used the same characters to attack and to attack with, Baron Zemo and Ms.Marvel against Maelstorm and Captain Marvel.

CM is teleported while she flys so she should be confused why she's suddenly back on the ground and she is absorbed. Maelstorm is shrinking as CM is teleported and moments later, as he is flying and torwards MS.Marvel he is fried from the inside. This will put a hinch in most of DNS's plans.

Ms.Marvel does not get defeated so she can help Firebird against Human Torch who therefore can not distract/capture M.M and Shroud.

Moses Magnum is free to attack Arkon, which he was not expecting, and should be joined soon enough by Drax who now would've easily disposed of Collector, if he wasn't teleported away before that.

Doorman is confused by Shroud just talking to him and he drops his guard and is eventually blasted down from the behind.

[kentonator]

an interesting fight! But as always i like to hear arguements from both of the fighters before i vote. give them both a chance to see whats goin on. Ill check back, best of luck to u both great strats!

[Sean Whitmore]

Good strats, but it's a little too early for me to be thinking clearly. So, some questions/comments:

Dark Soul
Could Ms. Marvel really just absorb Captain Marvel like that? I mean, that must be a LOT of energy, and Carol only has a tiny bit of Binary power for the contest. Even if she could absorb Monica against her will, could she really hold it all with absolutely no side effects?

Shroud distracting Doorman with conversation was great. :)


noble savage
Admittedly I don't know much about android Human Torch, but I don't remember him being as skilled in the use of his powers as you show him.



From just a casual read, it looks like Savage manages to side-step Soul's opening attack. But, I'll give it a more in-depth look later.


SEAN

[da noble savage]

Good strats, but it's a little too early for me to be thinking clearly. So, some questions/comments:

Dark Soul
Could Ms. Marvel really just absorb Captain Marvel like that? I mean, that must be a LOT of energy, and Carol only has a tiny bit of Binary power for the contest. Even if she could absorb Monica against her will, could she really hold it all with absolutely no side effects?

Shroud distracting Doorman with conversation was great. :)


noble savage
Admittedly I don't know much about android Human Torch, but I don't remember him being as skilled in the use of his powers as you show him.



From just a casual read, it looks like Savage manages to side-step Soul's opening attack. But, I'll give it a more in-depth look later.


SEAN

he is able to create flame constructs and a flame cage is pretty easy as for absorbing firebird's heat energy that shouldn't be a problem for him I'll admit I don't know her exact output but it can't be more then a nuke and that's his level of power he can absorb he's did it before it's a integral part of his power. he recentaly absorbed all the power from another flame basied hero to keep them from overloading with the power they where putting out.

[da noble savage]

An interesting match I would say. But I think that I would win this one.

As most other fights it depends on the opening moves and while neither of us managed to expect what the other one would do we used the same characters to attack and to attack with, Baron Zemo and Ms.Marvel against Maelstorm and Captain Marvel.

CM is teleported while she flys so she should be confused why she's suddenly back on the ground and she is absorbed. Maelstorm is shrinking as CM is teleported and moments later, as he is flying and torwards MS.Marvel he is fried from the inside. This will put a hinch in most of DNS's plans.

Ms.Marvel does not get defeated so she can help Firebird against Human Torch who therefore can not distract/capture M.M and Shroud.

Moses Magnum is free to attack Arkon, which he was not expecting, and should be joined soon enough by Drax who now would've easily disposed of Collector, if he wasn't teleported away before that.

Doorman is confused by Shroud just talking to him and he drops his guard and is eventually blasted down from the behind.

-Question how would baron zemo be able to create a portal into maelstrom's brain if he is subatomic.

-whouldn't his tele attack be directed at the hologram cm created as she was leaveing at lightspeed. I mean the hologram is fireing at him and his team while the real cm is moveing to fast for him to see therefore he would still think it was her.

[Sean Whitmore]

-Question how would baron zemo be able to create a portal into maelstrom's brain if he is subatomic.


That is a good question, and it has me stuck. Does Zemo need to SEE Maelstrom's head to do this? Because if he can just picture it in his mind and direct the teleport accordingly, I don't think it matters what size Mael is.


-whouldn't his tele attack be directed at the hologram cm created as she was leaveing at lightspeed. I mean the hologram is fireing at him and his team while the real cm is moveing to fast for him to see therefore he would still think it was her.


That's my thinking also, that the teleport was aimed at the hologram.


SEAN

[Dark Soul # 7]

-Question how would baron zemo be able to create a portal into maelstrom's brain if he is subatomic.He can create a portal that leads into the universe of one individual molecule. So subatomic should'nt be a problem.
-whouldn't his tele attack be directed at the hologram cm created as she was leaveing at lightspeed. I mean the hologram is fireing at him and his team while the real cm is moveing to fast for him to see therefore he would still think it was her.I don't think he needs to see anybody to teleport them. At least he doesn't need to see where he needs to teleport them. He and Songbird where on the moon and then they just disappeared and the entire Thunderbolts team wheren't even in the same area as he when he teleported them to the microverse.
Now I wonder when CM has created a hologram that could attack by itself.

[unkiedev]

Dark Soul, you want Zemo to create TWO simultaneous portals through space, one of them being subatomic? Isn't that a little...ambitious?:confused:

[Sean Whitmore]

He can create a portal that leads into the universe of one individual molecule. So subatomic should'nt be a problem.
I don't think he needs to see anybody to teleport them. At least he doesn't need to see where he needs to teleport them. He and Songbird where on the moon and then they just disappeared and the entire Thunderbolts team wheren't even in the same area as he when he teleported them to the microverse.


Excellent points. It looks to me like Zemo could affect Maelstrom regardless of his size.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

Dark Soul, you want Zemo to create TWO simultaneous portals through space, one of them being subatomic? Isn't that a little...ambitious?:confused:


To be fair, Zemo has been doing his share of cosmic multitasking in T-Bolts lately.


SEAN

[da noble savage]

He can create a portal that leads into the universe of one individual molecule. So subatomic should'nt be a problem.
I don't think he needs to see anybody to teleport them. At least he doesn't need to see where he needs to teleport them. He and Songbird where on the moon and then they just disappeared and the entire Thunderbolts team wheren't even in the same area as he when he teleported them to the microverse.
Now I wonder when CM has created a hologram that could attack by itself.

-the hologram is not actally atacking it just look's like it is it's a illiuison.

-now microirse tele. with no prob. I belivie but this is him trying to tele. some one who is not in the place he thought he was. also he would be getting blasted by cm at this point. basicly I guess it boil's down to whether or not he's able to tele. people even duh he think's they are in place's they are not. when he teleported the thunderbolts team did he allready know where they where.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Dark Soul, you want Zemo to create TWO simultaneous portals through space, one of them being subatomic? Isn't that a little...ambitious?:confused:He could do that, check out T-bolts#100 to see Zemo multitasking abilities as he destroys Genis.

But here it's first a simple teleport and then a portal that is no smaller than what Zemo's managed in the past. I refer again to him creating portals into the very universe of molecules with ease.

[Dark Soul # 7]

-now microirse tele. with no prob. I belivie but this is him trying to tele. some one who is not in the place he thought he was. also he would be getting blasted by cm at this point. basicly I guess it boil's down to whether or not he's able to tele. people even duh he think's they are in place's they are not. when he teleported the thunderbolts team did he allready know where they where.He only knew in what area they were, not their exact location.

[Dark Soul # 7]

We need more people voting on this match!
NOW!

[Dark Soul # 7]

Thought I should answer these early questions.
Dark Soul
Could Ms. Marvel really just absorb Captain Marvel like that? I mean, that must be a LOT of energy, and Carol only has a tiny bit of Binary power for the contest. Even if she could absorb Monica against her will, could she really hold it all with absolutely no side effects?Well that all depends on the energy-level CM is at. At that moment, when she's teleported and most likely confused because of it, she's a ray of light so that shouldn't be so much energy.
Shroud distracting Doorman with conversation was great. :)Thank you, it was the best I could come up with.

[Nightcrawler]

I think DNS avoids Baron Zemo's kill of Maelstrom. Even if he can make a portal that small, how would he know where Maelstrom is?

[Dark Soul # 7]

I think DNS avoids Baron Zemo's kill of Maelstrom. Even if he can make a portal that small, how would he know where Maelstrom is?I counter with asking how long it takes for Maelstorm to shrink to subatomic level. I takes less than a second for Zemo to teleport CM and the same amount of time to open a portal. If he sees even a smidget of Maelstorm he will have not even a little trouble opening the portal needed.

[Nightcrawler]

Which would be faster- shrinking to the atomic level, or opening a portal, shooting a blast, and teleporting someone at the same time? I don't know, I'm not familiar with Maelstrom's shrinking abilities.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Which would be faster- shrinking to the atomic level, or opening a portal, shooting a blast, and teleporting someone at the same time? I don't know, I'm not familiar with Maelstrom's shrinking abilities.The portal itself should lead to Maelstorm's head no matter what size he takes on.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I have to go to sleep now.
Hopefully I will have gained a large amount of more votes in the morning.

[Big G]

dark soul #7 took out malestrom nicely. baron zemo is very powerful and i don't think he was over used. i like da noble savages strategy of shrinking malestrom, but baron zemo would get him.

[Will.S]

See I think DNS has a team that can put up a pretty good fight and Maelstrom is a pretty powerful dude so I would have used his heart stopping technique on Zemo so that if it doesn't kill Zemo it'll leave enough time for Arkon to teleport him or his moonstones out of the match in his weakened state or alternatively have used Photon to blast him at the time of the heart stop.

Dark Soul #7's team's biggest advantages are Drax, Zemo and Ms Marvel so it becomes a really tricky-yet-dangerous juggling game in taking them out so that has to be accurately executed to a tee. Unfortunately based on da noble savage's strategy it would seem that his team is still outclassed since some of the vs pairs don't hold up too well and the Collector is kind of useless here. DS7's team also outnumbers DNS's by at least one more member. DNS puts up a very valiant fight though and knows the good stuff like Zemo's weakness and uses Captain Marvel very well so so kudos for that.

Ultimately though I'm gonna go with Dark Soul's team. This was probably one of the hardest matches to judge for me so far though.

[Dark Soul # 7]

More voters. I command people to come and vote!

[Dark Soul # 7]

And I lost.

Oh well, at least I didn't go out like a total punk in this league.
Great fight DNS and good luck in the future.

[da noble savage]

And I lost.

Oh well, at least I didn't go out like a total punk in this league.
Great fight DNS and good luck in the future.

thanks you too great fight.