Iceman's Powers: What would you like to see?

[ProfeZZor X]

Based on what you've seen over the last 20 years or so, and given some of the stories where he's done some great feats of his life, what other displays of power would you like to see from Iceman in future books.

Some of the great things he's done that come to mind are:

Uncanny #302 - Unmelting from the ground into a larger rockier version of himself and grabbing a civillian into submission.

Legion Quest - Using an ice tenticle as transportation instead of an ice slide.

X-Men #66-69 - Creating an ice clone of himself, as an offensive move against his attacker (Bastion)

X-Men Forever - Turning into a mist form, travelling at the speed of sound, becoming an embodiment of the ice he creates, liquifying his body to transport himself via water currents.

Uncanny #429-434 - Surviving without a body for prolonged amounts of time, reconstituting his body by extracting moisture from another living being.

X-Men #160 - Growing to unimaginable proportions, rapid healing ability.

If you can think of anything else I've forgotten, feel free to add to the list. However, with Carey's upcoming run, I'd personally like to see him using his mist and water forms a little more, also a larger rockier version of himself (ala Uncanny #302), in addition to using more water based abilities. All this, plus a more serious personality.

Where do you see this character going in 5 to 10 years from now?

[Micro]

I'd like him to start to resemble his Age of Apocalypse counter part, in look and ablities, and eventually surpass him. In the AoA books he had the power to teleport a group of people from place to place.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'd like him to start to resemble his Age of Apocalypse counter part, in look and ablities, and eventually surpass him. In the AoA books he had the power to teleport a group of people from place to place.

Kind of like this from AoA (I dig the mouthless, and legless tenticle look):

[Micro]

Kind of like this from AoA (I dig the mouthless, and legless tenticle look):

ya, he was awesome...You wouldn't think he would have been killed the way he was.

[Syzygy]

I'd just be happy to see him become an interesting character.

As for powers, well, Elijah Snow's (Planetary) use of cryokinesis seems much more interesting than anything Bobby has ever done. What if he were to just freeze the blood in someone's viens? He could easily be tougher than Wolverine.

Freeze someone solid, so that there's no liquid moisture to them anymore, then just kick them into shards....

Killer Iceman...too bad he's too much of a whimp...

[Victor]

Hasn't he done that before. I think when he was transported by Legion back to Egypt during AOA. I remember them saying that he basically could be the most dangerous mutant alive because he could freeze his opponents solid and kill them instantaneously.

But yeah the out of control "Loki" Iceman was cool. Even in Mutant X.

[An Average Madri]

oh man, i'd love to see Iceman reach his "omega" status.

[ProfeZZor X]

I'd just be happy to see him become an interesting character.

As for powers, well, Elijah Snow's (Planetary) use of cryokinesis seems much more interesting than anything Bobby has ever done. What if he were to just freeze the blood in someone's viens? He could easily be tougher than Wolverine.

Freeze someone solid, so that there's no liquid moisture to them anymore, then just kick them into shards....

Killer Iceman...too bad he's too much of a whimp...

I'm not too familiar with Elijah Snow's Planetary. What is this cryokinesis all about... Any pictures of what it looks like and how it's done?

Freezing Legion is the only time I recall Iceman freezing every water molecule in someone's body. That moment in "The Draco" was also the only time Iceman killed someone by extracting water from their body too.

[Siddon]

I liked it when he was "playing around" by creating little Ice men that moved as he wished.

[Mikl C]

Yes the Legion bit where he flash freezed Legion was a rather effective method of stopping any organic being.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Killer Iceman...too bad he's too much of a whimp...
Yeah, people who don't kill SUCK!

[GreenHornet]

A twin sister show up and for some reason when she is around that they have to touch each other and shout what they want to be and wear a lot of purple and get a pet monkey because everyone knows that twins love monkeys and...



..........................hey wasn't that done before??

[ProfeZZor X]

I liked it when he was "playing around" by creating little Ice men that moved as he wished.

He did a little bit of that in Zero Tolerance towards the end when Bastion thought he was beating the crap out of Iceman, until he came up from behind him and took him out... If I remember correctly. Still, a great power to posess in an offensive and defensive strategy.

[Arrjay]

X-Men Forever - Turning into a mist form, travelling at the speed of sound, becoming an embodiment of the ice he creates, liquifying his body to transport himself via water currents.

Holy guacamole.

I had no idea that Iceman was capable of such a feat.

It actually seems a little ridiculous when you think about it.

[shaunyc56]

Based on what you've seen over the last 20 years or so, and given some of the stories where he's done some great feats of his life, what other displays of power would you like to see from Iceman in future books.

Some of the great things he's done that come to mind are:

Uncanny #302 - Unmelting from the ground into a larger rockier version of himself and grabbing a civillian into submission.

Legion Quest - Using an ice tenticle as transportation instead of an ice slide.

X-Men #66-69 - Creating an ice clone of himself, as an offensive move against his attacker (Bastion)

X-Men Forever - Turning into a mist form, travelling at the speed of sound, becoming an embodiment of the ice he creates, liquifying his body to transport himself via water currents.

Uncanny #429-434 - Surviving without a body for prolonged amounts of time, reconstituting his body by extracting moisture from another living being.

X-Men #160 - Growing to unimaginable proportions, rapid healing ability.

If you can think of anything else I've forgotten, feel free to add to the list. However, with Carey's upcoming run, I'd personally like to see him using his mist and water forms a little more, also a larger rockier version of himself (ala Uncanny #302), in addition to using more water based abilities. All this, plus a more serious personality.

Where do you see this character going in 5 to 10 years from now?

The way I've always thought of Iceman was essentially as Hydroman w/ the ability to control temp. He should use all forms of water. Vapor form could be used for defensive and stealth purposes. Make himself larger and stronger using the moisture in the air, hell, even interrogating people by slowly freezing their bodies water bit by bit. No writer has ever thougt of making him anything other than a petulant child content to slide up and down his gian ice phalluses. Someone w/ a more tactical mind (cyclops, sage, or bishop) should be shown working w/ him to reach that sort of mastery of his ability.

[twilight]

I'd like to see him create ice cream from thin air.

....what?

[ProfeZZor X]

The way I've always thought of Iceman was essentially as Hydroman w/ the ability to control temp. He should use all forms of water. Vapor form could be used for defensive and stealth purposes. Make himself larger and stronger using the moisture in the air, hell, even interrogating people by slowly freezing their bodies water bit by bit. No writer has ever thougt of making him anything other than a petulant child content to slide up and down his gian ice phalluses. Someone w/ a more tactical mind (cyclops, sage, or bishop) should be shown working w/ him to reach that sort of mastery of his ability.

What would have played well from Milligan's writing is for Carey to play off of that situation where Emma screwed up his powers when she turned them back on. Carey could follow up by writing in that Emma went back in to correct them, but also secretly tampered with his personality to be more agressive and fearless. The last time Iceman did anything creative with is powers was in X-Men #160. Although I do like the spikey hair and skin now.

Believe it or not, when he was first created, he was written as being more comfortable and advanced with his abilities. Over the years, it was hard to find a writer that appreciated his abilities, so he became the background character that he is today.

[pharoahe22]

Iceman is an Omega Level mutant. I'd like to see him act the part. He's played the freeze dried clown for too long. I think he's been wasting his potential so far. He's one of my favorite X-men characters, but up to this point, either he's whining about something, playing class clown, or under-achieving. I think he could EASILY be someone who would give the green lantern a run for his money. I just wanna see a writer make him a major player instead of a b-lister

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman is an Omega Level mutant. I'd like to see him act the part. He's played the freeze dried clown for too long. I think he's been wasting his potential so far. He's one of my favorite X-men characters, but up to this point, either he's whining about something, playing class clown, or under-achieving. I think he could EASILY be someone who would give the green lantern a run for his money. I just wanna see a writer make him a major player instead of a b-lister

The problem with him reaching any ultimate potential (I hate using full), is that he becomes too powerful to be with any team. And subsequently he'd get killed of like Jean Grey. If you think about it, what else would there be for him to do if he's reached an all-powerful, omega level? He could cure hunger, among other amazing things, but then you go beyond Xavier's dream... Something I think most Omega level mutants should do anyway. Especially if they're carrying that much potential to help or affect the world on a global scale. But then, they become a slave to their cause, and are utterly useless in the comics, when it comes to defeating common villains, because there's no challenge for them (Omega Mutant) to defeat them (The Villain).

[SMKSPY]

The problem with him reaching any ultimate potential (I hate using full), is that he becomes too powerful to be with any team. And subsequently he'd get killed of like Jean Grey. If you think about it, what else would there be for him to do if he's reached an all-powerful, omega level? He could cure hunger, among other amazing things, but then you go beyond Xavier's dream... Something I think most Omega level mutants should do anyway. Especially if they're carrying that much potential to help or affect the world on a global scale. But then, they become a slave to their cause, and are utterly useless in the comics, when it comes to defeating common villains, because there's no challenge for them (Omega Mutant) to defeat them (The Villain).

I have to disagree with this...not all Omega mutants are world changers. If you look at Earth X, Iceman basically did obtain Omega level, but basic the Earth became so hot he had to move to the South Pole or Antartica (cant remember which) to avoid melting.

I do agree it'd make him alittle too powerful for a team. I say bring him more to Jean Greys or Storms power level. Have him grow up, actually involve him in plots that do not include Lorna Dane...and let Claremont finally write him.

I was absolutely surprised given how much Claremont apparently hates Iceman that he'd let him live at the conclusion of the The End series. I find it odd that the greatest writer of the X-Men never included one of the original X-Men on any of his teams.

[An Average Madri]

Where does it state that claremont absolutely hates Iceman? Have i missed an interview?

[ProfeZZor X]

Where does it state that claremont absolutely hates Iceman? Have i missed an interview?

I believe he was the one to depower Iceman during "House of M". I also don't think it's writen anywhere, but it's a known fact that Claremont doesn't like Iceman whatsoever.

[An Average Madri]

Ugh, how can Claremont do that to one of my favorite characters. Yuck! Thats so disrespectful to Stan and the fans of Iceman.

[Beast]

I believe he was the one to depower Iceman during "House of M". I also don't think it's writen anywhere, but it's a known fact that Claremont doesn't like Iceman whatsoever.
You do realize, the characters that were chosen to be depowered were chosen by a group. Claremont didn't single Iceman out to be depowered, he just had to write it.

[Will.S]

Was Claremont the deciding factor on Iceman's depowerment during their planning stages beacause I mean, Bendis did write it.

[Sparda]

Based on what you've seen over the last 20 years or so, and given some of the stories where he's done some great feats of his life, what other displays of power would you like to see from Iceman in future books.

Some of the great things he's done that come to mind are:

Uncanny #302 - Unmelting from the ground into a larger rockier version of himself and grabbing a civillian into submission.

Legion Quest - Using an ice tenticle as transportation instead of an ice slide.

X-Men #66-69 - Creating an ice clone of himself, as an offensive move against his attacker (Bastion)

X-Men Forever - Turning into a mist form, travelling at the speed of sound, becoming an embodiment of the ice he creates, liquifying his body to transport himself via water currents.

Uncanny #429-434 - Surviving without a body for prolonged amounts of time, reconstituting his body by extracting moisture from another living being.

X-Men #160 - Growing to unimaginable proportions, rapid healing ability.

If you can think of anything else I've forgotten, feel free to add to the list. However, with Carey's upcoming run, I'd personally like to see him using his mist and water forms a little more, also a larger rockier version of himself (ala Uncanny #302), in addition to using more water based abilities. All this, plus a more serious personality.

Where do you see this character going in 5 to 10 years from now?
One feat I like to add is in the incredible hulk visionaries 1 the hulk fought X-Factor and Bobby's powers were unstable at the time. When the hulk was about to pound the crap out of cyclops bobby completely froze him and even when he tried to get angrierer to bread out, he could'nt cause of the cold. It was grey hulk btw but i doubt even the green hulk can escape that too.

If he wasn't such a pansy he would even survive during the marvel zombies mini along with magneto.

[tnklb]

I'm not too familiar with Elijah Snow's Planetary. What is this cryokinesis all about... Any pictures of what it looks like and how it's done?

Freezing Legion is the only time I recall Iceman freezing every water molecule in someone's body. That moment in "The Draco" was also the only time Iceman killed someone by extracting water from their body too.

Elijah has cold powers too-- but they are presented in a more "gritty" and less over the top comic book style.

Any room he is in gets much colder. He can drop things he touches into below zwero temps. He can slow the blood in somebody's body until thei have a heart attack and die.

And he doesn't do things like ice-up or shoot ice from his hands.

[Zengei]

I'm not too familiar with Elijah Snow's Planetary. What is this cryokinesis all about... Any pictures of what it looks like and how it's done?
Cryokinesis is just the fictional ability to control cold temperature. Sub-Zero (from Mortal Kombat) is another cryokinetic. The suffix "kinesis" means to move, and the prefix "cryo" comes from the Greek word for crust and means cold or freezing (as in cryogenics). In fiction, they basically just slap a prefix onto "kinesis" to indicate a power that's controlled with the mind, even though it literally means to move. Probably the only accurate uses of kinesis are telekinesis and psychokinesis which mean "distant movement" and "mind movement" respectively.

EDIT: Although the other uses make sense if you take "manipulation" to be a synonym for "movement." So cryokinesis would be "cold manipulation."

[Toreador]

Seems with all the feats that Iceman has he should no longer be called 'Iceman' since he basically is a water elemental now.

[ProfeZZor X]

Seems with all the feats that Iceman has he should no longer be called 'Iceman' since he basically is a water elemental now.


Most of his abilities have been cryo based. So up until recently (X-Men Forever #5) did he gain the ability to control water. I'd still stick to Iceman, since that was the trademark name he was given when he manifested his powers...

[SMKSPY]

Most of his abilities have been cryo based. So up until recently (X-Men Forever #5) did he gain the ability to control water. I'd still stick to Iceman, since that was the trademark name he was given when he manifested his powers...

plus it just wouldn't sound cool to call him Waterman...

[ProfeZZor X]

plus it just wouldn't sound cool to call him Waterman...


In New X-Men (or X-Men, I think it was), the kid that was made up of water and had the bulging eyes, and hung out with "Bling" and "Flubber"... What was his name, and what were his abilities?

[ProfeZZor X]

Froze the blood to Emma's brain when she wouldn't cooperate:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1166/icemanbloodfreeze4zt8la.jpg

Extracted water from a person to reconstitute his destroyed body:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8550/iceman13gv.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/6134/iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7682/iceman32ns.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Transmutes ice back to water:
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/5274/transmutesicetowater2my.jpg

Rapidly freezes and unfreezes ice to make it appear to be animated:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8573/uncannyiceman044zi.jpg[/IMG}

Xavier writing in his journal on how Iceman and Jean have unimagineable potential (Omega Class):
[IMG]http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7277/xmenforever3p203wr.jpg

Travelled back in time to defeat Legion by freezing every water molecule in his body:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7425/xmenn41p143oa.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman (with the help of Storm) encases a demon in a block of ice that covers an entire mountain:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2006/uxm242pg32kr9.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1826/uxm242pg33uf9.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2301/uxm242pg34eu3.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Freezes the insides of his opponent:
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3807/freezeinsidestiff3mg.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8284/freezeinsidestiff21ce.jpg

Realizes he has super strength through increasing his mass:
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5685/icemanhulksout4nr.jpg


Makes a Christmas tree out of the Empire State building within seconds:
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8935/icesempirestatebuilding6so.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Freezes an entire spaceship:
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/5325/xmenforever5p192kj.jpg

Becomes a part of the environment he creates out of ice:
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/1770/xmenforever5p227kd.jpg

Creative use of his ice sled:
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/3073/xmenforever6p095cv.jpg

Froze heat beams:
http://img347.imageshack.us/img347/9789/xmenforever6p268ua.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Freezes an entire building.. including Fever Pitch:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/219/iceman16ds.gif
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1498/iceman28iv.gif

Encases the Hulk in ice:
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8531/theincrediblehulkv2336205xk.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Using stealth tactic and unmelts from the ground:
http://www.freeweb.hu/nitro1/gallery/kepregeny/Rejtelyes%20X-Men/Rejtelyes%20X-Men%20302/Uncanny_X_Men_302_12_m.jpg
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[We R. Venom]

Mwa, your asking Mwa? Wow, well ive seen a lot of things over the years and a lot of things in this thread that impress me as well. But I guess what I really want most is for Iceman to be a threat, a leader and a go to guy in some cases. I mean this guy is one of the original X-men, not that, that fact has anything to do with it, I simply mean, he should have as much knowledge about battle situations, teams(as many as he has been on) and more importantly himself at this point. I would love for him to be Omega, that would be wonderful. Though maybe Prof has a good point about how Omega's tend to be treated these days. Its obvious that with his current state of mind, he isnt there yet but it should be that long untill then.

With the power i have seen and read, he has so much ability, so much potentail, and if a writer were o bring it all out at once, bring all of those ideas, it could be possible, even if in some situations. A show of Omega poer every once in a while would be cool. He can do so much. Its not funny anymore, you know, ok, he is the jokster, blah blah, well I dont think he needs to be anymore god damn it. Sure a joke is cool every no and then, but if some writers are using him on their teams for comic relief and not his style ability, what he brings to the team besides being the fucking Harley Quinn, then dont bother.....ok wow im getting angry haha. anyway, all awesome ideas. Ill stop now, im sure i could rant for months. I think my favorite feat was when he grew 50 feet tall in Austen's run. That was tight.

We R. Venom
We R. Also-Iceman

[ProfeZZor X]

Mwa, your asking Mwa? Wow, well ive seen a lot of things over the years and a lot of things in this thread that impress me as well. But I guess what I really want most is for Iceman to be a threat, a leader and a go to guy in some cases. I mean this guy is one of the original X-men, not that, that fact has anything to do with it, I simply mean, he should have as much knowledge about battle situations, teams(as many as he has been on) and more importantly himself at this point. I would love for him to be Omega, that would be wonderful. Its obvious that with his current state of mind, he isnt there yet but it should be that long untill then.

With the power i have seen and read, he has so much ability, so much potentail, and if a writer were o bring it all out at once, bring all of those ideas, it could be possible, even if in some situations. A show of Omega poer every once in a while would be cool. He can do so much. Its not funny anymore, you know, ok, he is the jokster, blah blah, well I dont think he needs to be anymore god damn it. Sure a joke is cool every no and then, but if some writers are using him on their teams for comic relief and not his style ability, what he brings to the team besides being the fucking Harley Quinn, then dont bother.....ok wow im getting angry haha. anyway, all awesome ideas. Ill stop now, im sure i could rant for months.

We R. Venom
We R. Also-Iceman

It's okay, let it out.... I agree that most of the time he's in any given book, writers just stuff him in the background just to appease Marvel. What I've posted here is pretty much 90% of his history. At least with his powers. There's more, but you guys get the idea of what he's capable of.

And yeah, I'm surprised that Scott didn't ask him to lead the "Rapid Response" team Rogue is in charge of. I think it may have to do with his flakey and irresponsible past. But then, that's an oxy-moron, because he wouldn't be in the profession he's in if he fit those stereotypes. Maybe to some degree he is unreliable as a superhero, even if he is one, but that's got to be embarrassing for him to continue to be a 3rd string team member, for someone that helped found the X-Men. Especially when you look at the bigger picture of what he's done so far as a whole.

Carey's positive interpretation of him may be promising for us fans, but who's to say the next writer won't revert him back into the class clown they may see him as.

[We R. Venom]

It's okay, let it out.... I agree that most of the time he's in any given book, writers just stuff him in the background just to appease Marvel. What I've posted here is pretty much 90% of his history. At least with his powers. There's more, but you guys get the idea of what he's capable of.

And yeah, I'm surprised that Scott didn't ask him to lead the "Rapid Response" team Rogue is in charde of. I think it may have to do with him being flakey and irresponsible. But then, that's an oxy-moron, because he wouldn't be in the profession he's in if he fit those stereotypes. Maybe to some degree, but that's got to be embarrassing for him to continue to be a 3rd string team member, for someone that helped found the X-Men.

Thats true, very true, but depending on how things go with Caray right now, and that Annual he hopes to do, or is doing. I think that Bobby will be getting past that whole flake thing and gaining more respect from fans in the process...no matter if he "looks like an elf" or not.

I also thing Civil War X-men will help with that. Cyclops trusting only the original X-men on his little squad really shows something to me. In my eyes it can only help him gain some spotlight, combined with Carey, thats gold, but time will tell. It might get controversial when he starts up with Ms. Raven haha so we shall see.

[caney]

I've always thought that some of Iceman's not living up to his potential regarding his powers had to do with his parents. His parents, at least in the past, had always been prejudice against mutants (among others) and have seemed to push him to try to be "normal" and not stand out. Iceman's also been shown to want to please his parents and to want them to accept him. I think that this wanting to please his parents held him back as far as developing his powers. Anytime he does use his powers in a new and more creative way (becoming ice, growing huge, switching from ice to vapor, ect.) he sees himself as getting farther from the definition of "normal" that his parents have defined for him.

Maybe I'm over-analyzing a comic book character, but that's just my opinion of why Iceman hasn't lived up to his potential.

[fishtaco]

I'd like to see Iceman actually use his powers violently. I mean, ice knives and cutting people's heads off, ice missiles through the stomach, freezing people and then shattering them. I think a bloodthirty Bobby would be cool.

[ProfeZZor X]

Thats true, very true, but depending on how things go with Caray right now, and that Annual he hopes to do, or is doing. I think that Bobby will be getting past that whole flake thing and gaining more respect from fans in the process...no matter if he "looks like an elf" or not.

I also thing Civil War X-men will help with that. Cyclops trusting only the original X-men on his little squad really shows something to me. In my eyes it can only help him gain some spotlight, combined with Carey, thats gold, but time will tell. It might get controversial when he starts up with Ms. Raven haha so we shall see.

Having Iceman as a part of the Civil War act should have been a no-brainer. But, considering that all of the members have gone maskless over the years, kind of defeats the purpose of going up against the Registration Act. Their identities are already public, Sentinels plague the school grounds, and there are already government files on each and every mutant currently in existence. So why bother being oppose to it, if they're already a part of it?

The other thing I have a problem with is that #190 cover. Unless it's meant to be an event that takes place towards the end of the book, #189 doesn't have anything that leads up to their romance (I've already read the preview book). Iceman has very little dialogue, and most of the story involves the Children and other related events. Although I do look forward to seeing how Iceman got caught up in a situation that blew his body in half.

[killergoat_389]

I think one of my favorite minis is when emma frost took over icemans body and pushed it to the limit. So I guess my answer would be icecicle projectiles and ice axes and so on.

Did anyone see the mythbusters where they tried to prove wether JFK was killed by an ice bullet from the grassy knoll? I like to see Iceman as an Assassin for hire. The evidence would just melt away :)

[ProfeZZor X]

I think one of my favorite minis is when emma frost took over icemans body and pushed it to the limit. So I guess my answer would be icecicle projectiles and ice axes and so on.

Did anyone see the mythbusters where they tried to prove wether JFK was killed by an ice bullet from the grassy knoll? I like to see Iceman as an Assassin for hire. The evidence would just melt away :)

Grrrrr.... Here we go again... Another "Emma = a better Iceman" believer. If you look at all the pictures I've posted below (the entire page), you'd see that he's done FAR MORE, and FAR BETTER things than Emma did in the two seconds she posessed his body.

[ProfeZZor X]

Another thing I'd like to see is that "molecular inversion" process Banshee mentioned during AoA. I also wonder how do that work. I wonder if it's similar to the process in X-Men Forever, when he flushed himself down the shower drain and reapeared 700 miles away. Even so, how would he do that with human flesh?... Maybe dehydrate them into husks, then transport the materials to the new location, and rehydrate them.... Who knows. It's all speculation on how it works.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/costume/iceman-aoa.jpg

[ibrakeforchinwe]

An army of Icemen that follow Bobby's commands!!!

[DDM]

Iceman (with the help of Storm) encases a demon in a block of ice that covers an entire mountain:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/2006/uxm242pg32kr9.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1826/uxm242pg33uf9.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2301/uxm242pg34eu3.jpg


The "mountain" is really a demonic Empire State Building absorbing human souls to fuel its growth. The demon is N'Astrign, who corrupted Madelyne Pryor into the Goblin Queen, & is largely responsible for the Inferno.

[ProfeZZor X]

The "mountain" is really a demonic Empire State Building absorbing human souls to fuel its growth. The demon is N'Astrign, who corrupted Madelyne Pryor into the Goblin Queen, & is largely responsible for the Inferno.

I'm just shocked that he could freeze something that large.

[DDM]

I'm just shocked that he could freeze something that large.

Loki used Iceman as a pawn in Thor; as a result, Iceman's powers were greatly increased to the point Bobby could not control his powers. However, Cameron Hodge placed an inhibitor belt on Iceman in X-Factor #23 which gave Bobby control over his increased powers. The inhibitor belt is for Iceman's previous power range before Loki increased his powers.

[Anodyne]

I'd be impressed by a demonstration of fine-tuned control. Show him sewing something up with a needle and thread of ice. He'd need to keep the thread solid enough to hold together, soft enough to be flexible.

I wish Bobby Drake would achieve some of Bob Drake's maturity. The mutant-X Iceman's ordeal transformed him from a boy to a man.

[ProfeZZor X]

Loki used Iceman as a pawn in Thor; as a result, Iceman's powers were greatly increased to the point Bobby could not control his powers. However, Cameron Hodge placed an inhibitor belt on Iceman in X-Factor #23 which gave Bobby control over his increased powers. The inhibitor belt is for Iceman's previous power range before Loki increased his powers.

Actually, you're incorrect. The inhibitor belt was created based on Iceman's old power level. Since then, Loki had already kidnapped Iceman and increased his powers (Without Hodge's prior knowledge). So in effect, Hodge's inhibitor belt was obsolete. However, the unexpected benefit was that it helped Iceman control his uncontrollable powers, by reducing his power level a notch or two. Thus enabling him to assist his team mates.

[DDM]

Actually, you're incorrect. The inhibitor belt was created based on Iceman's old power level. Since then, Loki had already kidnapped Iceman and increased his powers (Without Hodge's prior knowledge). So in effect, Hodge's inhibitor belt was obsolete. However, the unexpected benefit was that it helped Iceman control his uncontrollable powers, by reducing his power level a notch or two. Thus enabling him to assist his team mates.

You need to reread my post. I just said the same thing. :rolleyes:

[Affinity]

I thought the demon was Nastirith, DDM? (Some variation of spelling, probably).

[ProfeZZor X]

I thought the demon was Nastirith, DDM? (Some variation of spelling, probably).

It almost resembles Fin Fang Foom.

[fishtaco]

I thought the demon was Nastirith, DDM? (Some variation of spelling, probably).The demon in that Inferno page that Storm and Iceman are working together to kill is N'astirh, who first appeared in X-Terminators #1.

Off topic: I forget. Did Crotus die? What happened to him? Too lazy to reread X-Terminators and Excalibur back issues.

[DDM]

The demon in that Inferno page that Storm and Iceman are working together to kill is N'astirh, who first appeared in X-Terminators #1.

Off topic: I forget. Did Crotus die? What happened to him? Too lazy to reread X-Terminators and Excalibur back issues.

Crotus died in Cloak & Dagger #4 (third series).

[fishtaco]

Crotus died in Cloak & Dagger #4 (third series).How so? :)

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman being killed/evaporated and realizes his mist form.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8166/xmenforever5p02and033eo.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/5663/xmenforeverdrake24dz.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/460/xmenforeverdrake32cy.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman creates an animated ice clone of himself to fool his opponent.

http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/5277/iceclone7ba.jpg
http://img438.imageshack.us/img438/4118/iceclone25ag.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Iceman travels by using his molecular inversion process.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/259/xmenforever2p161gf.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6159/xmenforever2p180hw.jpg

[nieman]

I never had a problem with Iceman being an underachiever. As long as he got down when the time came. There are plenty of peopel wioth the potential to be the greatest at whatever, but they just don't want the added stress.

I haven't been into comics liek that in years, but I don't like the fact of him manipulating his body using water all of the time. he's cryokenetic, so that involves extreme cold, which is what his powers should be based on, not hydrokenesis. So, i'm against transporting using bodies of water...unless they are frozen. So aside from the usual, changing his skin to ice, ice slides, ice shields/weapons, here's what I think he should do.

- Increasing his body mass with ice
- being able to regenerate if hurt in ice form
- the ice clone was cool but taking that to another level...
- being able to control the ice clones rather than them being statues....since he can manipulate ice.
- being able to freeze massive objects like skyscrapers and small lakes & ponds
- being able to unfreeze objects by absorbing it's cold
- I would like to see the thermalvision used more

And thats about as creative as I can get

[ProfeZZor X]

I never had a problem with Iceman being an underachiever. As long as he got down when the time came. There are plenty of peopel wioth the potential to be the greatest at whatever, but they just don't want the added stress.

I haven't been into comics liek that in years, but I don't like the fact of him manipulating his body using water all of the time. he's cryokenetic, so that involves extreme cold, which is what his powers should be based on, not hydrokenesis. So, i'm against transporting using bodies of water...unless they are frozen. So aside from the usual, changing his skin to ice, ice slides, ice shields/weapons, here's what I think he should do.

- Increasing his body mass with ice
- being able to regenerate if hurt in ice form
- the ice clone was cool but taking that to another level...
- being able to control the ice clones rather than them being statues....since he can manipulate ice.
- being able to freeze massive objects like skyscrapers and small lakes & ponds
- being able to unfreeze objects by absorbing it's cold
- I would like to see the thermalvision used more

And thats about as creative as I can get

Where have you been? He's already done all of those things. Just scan through the pages here to see the pictures.

[CE_Rap]

Maybe a spin off of what Dust did to the purifiers. He could turn to freezinf vapor and flow into his enemies lungs.

If standing in a very large body of water, like a large river, or if in the middle of a rain storm, he could absorb it to make himself gigantic. I mean like Apocalypse gigantic!!

As long as he has a large source, he should be able to make several "dupes" of ice and have them act at his will or indepently.

[ProfeZZor X]

Maybe a spin off of what Dust did to the purifiers. He could turn to freezinf vapor and flow into his enemies lungs.

If standing in a very large body of water, like a large river, or if in the middle of a rain storm, he could absorb it to make himself gigantic. I mean like Apocalypse gigantic!!

As long as he has a large source, he should be able to make several "dupes" of ice and have them act at his will or indepently.

1) Carey might do something with his vapour form... We'll see.

2) He aleady did that:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/933/monk11gw.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/1673/monk24ri.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7494/monk30kk.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7874/monk45nq.jpg

[ProfeZZor X]

Maybe a spin off of what Dust did to the purifiers. He could turn to freezinf vapor and flow into his enemies lungs.

If standing in a very large body of water, like a large river, or if in the middle of a rain storm, he could absorb it to make himself gigantic. I mean like Apocalypse gigantic!!

As long as he has a large source, he should be able to make several "dupes" of ice and have them act at his will or indepently.

3) He already did that too:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9548/uncannyiceman057fs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8573/uncannyiceman044zi.jpg

[CE_Rap]

Maybe a spin off of what Dust did to the purifiers. He could turn to freezinf vapor and flow into his enemies lungs.

If standing in a very large body of water, like a large river, or if in the middle of a rain storm, he could absorb it to make himself gigantic. I mean like Apocalypse gigantic!!

As long as he has a large source, he should be able to make several "dupes" of ice and have them act at his will or indepently.

3) He already did that too:
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9548/uncannyiceman057fs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/8573/uncannyiceman044zi.jpg


those look tiny. I mean as big as him, and use a lake to make like 50!

**soooooooo......Iceman if ridiculously @#$%'ing powerful**

looks like the dust thing is the only thing orignal so far.......and that will probably change real soon....


)maybe use his ice powers to burn someone. Has he ever made himself into Dry Ice, cuz then that's what he would do.

[ProfeZZor X]

[QUOTE=ProfeZZor X]


those look tiny. I mean as big as him, and use a lake to make like 50!

**soooooooo......Iceman if ridiculously @#$%'ing powerful**

looks like the dust thing is the only thing orignal so far.......and that will probably change real soon....


)maybe use his ice powers to burn someone. Has he ever made himself into Dry Ice, cuz then that's what he would do.

It's alledged that he freezes the moisture in the air, but in reality it's more realistic that he freezes it into dry ice. Reason being, is that most of his ice creations only last for a brief period of time, considering they are rarely left behind for any long period of time. Otherwise, it would take long hours, if not days to melt sculptures as big as his ice slides.

[Beast]

The best power stunt he could ever do...

Iceman alters his 'Ice Form' to look female, so he can get with more guys. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

The best power stunt he could ever do...

Iceman alters his 'Ice Form' to look female, so he can get with more guys. :)

Or freeze off the hair on Beast's bung hole for one of Iceman's polar express feats... That would be a neat trick.

[caney]

If Iceman can control water, couldn't he be able to control other people's movement's since they are mostly water?

[ProfeZZor X]

If Iceman can control water, couldn't he be able to control other people's movement's since they are mostly water?

Theoretically, yes... But given the fact that he can extract water or freeze water within a person, doesn't necessarily mean that he can completely control their movements. He's restricted Emma's telepathy at one point by freezing the blood flow to her brain, and he's removed an entire water source from his oponent... But that's about all we've seen on panel.

[CE_Rap]

[QUOTE=CE_Rap]

It's alledged that he freezes the moisture in the air, but in reality it's more realistic that he freezes it into dry ice. Reason being, is that most of his ice creations only last for a brief period of time, considering they are rarely left behind for any long period of time. Otherwise, it would take long hours, if not days to melt sculptures as big as his ice slides.

yea, but instead of letting the ice sit, couldn't he will the ice to disperse back into vapor?

I only ask because dry ice burns viciously. His enemies would be flayed if that is what he is using all the time.

[ProfeZZor X]

yea, but instead of letting the ice sit, couldn't he will the ice to disperse back into vapor?

I only ask because dry ice burns viciously. His enemies would be flayed if that is what he is using all the time.

Consider how far he may travel on his ice slide. How far do you think it would take for him to back track his ice trail just to vaporize it? Not worth it. Thats why I theorize it's made of dry ice from a mixture of carbon dioxide and moisture.

[ProfeZZor X]

It would be nice if he had a more agressive look like this. At least for a few story arcs.

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5685/icemanhulksout4nr.jpg

[CE_Rap]

has he ever extended his powers into a reservoir? As in, standing in the middle of a city and forcing his powers into a ravene or reservoir to send a massive pulse of Sub-zero energy.

The result being hundreds of massive shard erupting from the ground and moving outward in all directions.

[nieman]

Where have you been? He's already done all of those things. Just scan through the pages here to see the pictures.

LOL...yeah I know, but I'm just sying that those are the things he should regularly do. There's really no limit to his power by it being a form of water, cept the fact he's Iceman, not Hydro-Man, so everything he does should only have ice/sub -zero implications. Like him using water should only be there to strengthen his powers. But I do like the idea of an ice pulse. And how often does he freeze things from the inside out...using his mind instead of projectiles?

Here's a question. With the ice slide, he never really slid on it because he can ride in all directions, so is he really using it to push himself? And if so, shouldn't he be aiming more towards the rear?

[jeangreydp]

this is the best thread I've ever seen on this board.

Iceman rules

[Zombienorthstar]

I enjoy little touches more than anything...Icemans use of the big spikes as arms in Careys X-Men have been my favourite touch.

[ProfeZZor X]

I enjoy little touches more than anything...Icemans use of the big spikes as arms in Careys X-Men have been my favourite touch.

I have yet to see what Carey will do with him in this month's issue, after that big explosion from the twins.

Anybody know when the previews come out?

[Cowlander]

People hated Austen run but it was obvious he saw the potential in bobby's power and wanted to showcase it. Hopefully we can get more of that with Carey.

[OpticBlast]

Believe it or not, when he was first created, he was written as being more comfortable and advanced with his abilities. Over the years, it was hard to find a writer that appreciated his abilities, so he became the background character that he is today.

Having started reading comics in 1972, I have to admit I hated Iceman for the longest time. I thought he was a 2nd-tier or 3rd-tier power player with limited and stupid abilities. The ice-slide thing is only interesting for so long. Even when Iceman lost control of his powers in X-Factor (during the Casket of Ancient Winters Saga), and had to wear a belt to control his cold's intensity, his powers were boring.

One of the great things that came our of AoA was the Iceman of that alternate reality. He looked mean, kick-ass and was a force to be reckoned with. The way he looked, combined with the way he morphed his body, suddenly gave him a new range of possibilities and made me realize he was one of the hardest-to-kill Xmen around.

One of my favorite scenes with Iceman came during the clash with Onslaught. With Onslaught making himself invisible, Iceman saw him and attacked him by seeing things on a heat-sensitivity level. Onslaught stuck out like a beacon to him. It was a new "power" for Iceman...one of several new uses of his power.

I think he has the potential to be one of the meanest, nastiest and intersting characters on any X-roster, if someone would give him a little respect.

[ProfeZZor X]

Having started reading comics in 1972, I have to admit I hated Iceman for the longest time. I thought he was a 2nd-tier or 3rd-tier power player with limited and stupid abilities. The ice-slide thing is only interesting for so long. Even when Iceman lost control of his powers in X-Factor (during the Casket of Ancient Winters Saga), and had to wear a belt to control his cold's intensity, his powers were boring.

One of the great things that came our of AoA was the Iceman of that alternate reality. He looked mean, kick-ass and was a force to be reckoned with. The way he looked, combined with the way he morphed his body, suddenly gave him a new range of possibilities and made me realize he was one of the hardest-to-kill Xmen around.

One of my favorite scenes with Iceman came during the clash with Onslaught. With Onslaught making himself invisible, Iceman saw him and attacked him by seeing things on a heat-sensitivity level. Onslaught stuck out like a beacon to him. It was a new "power" for Iceman...one of several new uses of his power.

I think he has the potential to be one of the meanest, nastiest and intersting characters on any X-roster, if someone would give him a little respect.

Back in the day (mid 1970s), Iceman was written as a hot head at times. Often because of his disasterous love triangle with Lorna and Alex, and because of his youthful impatience in the battlefield. And because of that, he was almost the counterpart of Johnny Storm. Eventually writers gave him a more light-hearted personality, and the rest is history.

In the book of "198 Files", it goes on to say in his profile that he could very well be one of the greatest threats in existence... But then it also goes on to say that the notion of him realizing this potential is unlikely going to happen in the near future.... Then again, this was written long before Carey's run. So we'll see how he makes out in the end (of Carey's run).

[Kage Kisaragi]

1.) I would like him to rebuild the polar ice caps.

2.) Create a fountain of Youth!

3.) Turn into a Celestial Size Ice Giant and Stomp all over Japan like a Kaiju..

4.) Freeze the entire X Men and X related teams to near absolute zero and perserve them for 10,000 years. Then defrost them perfectly so that they come back to life with no negative effects.

5.) Freeze someone solid then slide over to them and do a Uppercutt Ala Mortal Kombat style and then say "Fatality, Flawless Victory!"

[ProfeZZor X]

I wonder if it would be possible for him to think of any given person in an entirely different location, and freeze or project any of his abilities on them with his thoughts. And although he does radiate cold, I was wondering on a cryokinetic level, he'd be able to do that...

And while we're on that subject of his amazing abilities, I wonder if:

1) He had the ability to cool the earths core.
2) How long it would take for him to create the next ice age on the planet.
3) Detect and freeze a select few (human) targets in a crowd of thousands.
4) He could create single celled life forms.

[caney]

I was just reading an interview that Bachalo did that's up on the Wizard website and I thought this was interesting.


Iceman in the latest issue, #188, looks a little different than in previous incarnations of the character. Why did you decide to give his head that shape?

BACHALO: I decided with Iceman, and this could change any day, that I would like to experiment with him as far as his ice is concerned cause I think that some days he might have more ice than others. I have a feeling right now that some days he might have a lot of ice, some days he might have very little ice, and that day I thought it might be cool to give him a very alien look. So I gave him the pointed dome on his head. I’ll fool around with that a little bit and next issue he might have something else. I just think it would be fun with him. It might depend on his mood, what’s going on in the scene. If it’s an emergency or if he’s being playful or something, he might have tons of ice around him or he might be really smooth one day, like Silver Surfer smooth. That would be fun, but I thought I would have fun with the character so it’s not stock ice with little ice crystals all the time. He has a personality and he knows his powers well enough that he can probably do things like that. He might have a little fun.

I think it's a cool idea to have Iceman change the way he looks "iced up" based on his mood, or the situation.

[ProfeZZor X]

I was just reading an interview that Bachalo did that's up on the Wizard website and I thought this was interesting.



I think it's a cool idea to have Iceman change the way he looks "iced up" based on his mood, or the situation.

Yeah, because after decades of the "Silver Surfer look alike" appearance, it's about time (and refreshing) that someone (like Bachalo) added another dimension to this character. Throughout the last couple of decades there have been a couple of changes, but it was mostly in one or two instances of him taking on another look, which were very short lived. Otherwise, I'm liking this current look.... I'd love to see him "hulked out" like the picture below.

[TimGunn]

I would like to see him use his powers to become world's greatest bartender. Or maybe to shut Al Gore up. j/k I love Al Gore, but come on y'all, we got to do something about this global warming junk.

[Novaya Havoc]

I like X-Factor Iceman. He's cool with me.

(PUNNY!!!!! LOLOLOL)

But, really. I like low-level powered mutants. Storm being outside to conjure weather. Cyclops needing to open his damn visor. Dazzler needing sound to be powerful. Rogue being impeded by the thoughts/actions of the host she's absorbed.

It makes for better character drama and TEAM battles. Keep them low. Early X-Factor Iceman is perfect by me.

[ProfeZZor X]

I like X-Factor Iceman. He's cool with me.

(PUNNY!!!!! LOLOLOL)

But, really. I like low-level powered mutants. Storm being outside to conjure weather. Cyclops needing to open his damn visor. Dazzler needing sound to be powerful. Rogue being impeded by the thoughts/actions of the host she's absorbed.

It makes for better character drama and TEAM battles. Keep them low. Early X-Factor Iceman is perfect by me.


So you prefer them not to be creative with their powers, and remain the same old boring characters for decades on end?

[Novaya Havoc]

So you prefer them not to be creative with their powers, and remain the same old boring characters for decades on end?

Are you creating a false dichotomy, for the sake of strengthening your argument?

[ProfeZZor X]

Are you creating a false dichotomy, for the sake of strengthening your argument?

Not really... Just wondering if you're not into developing a characters strengths and weaknesses.

Personally, I would prefer Iceman do more than just an ice-blast, and ride on his "ever so predictable" ice-slide. He's done it since the creation of his character. And for you to say you don't want that to change sounds a little... weird (possibly selfish).

[SMKSPY]

Not really... Just wondering if you're not into developing a characters strengths and weaknesses.

Personally, I would prefer Iceman do more than just an ice-blast, and ride on his "ever so predictable" ice-slide. He's done it since the creation of his character. And for you to say you don't want that to change sounds a little... weird (possibly selfish).

Dude, I think you'll just have to accept the fact that unless you yourself write Uncanny or Adjectiveless, Iceman will NEVER be trully developed by any writer.

[ProfeZZor X]

Dude, I think you'll just have to accept the fact that unless you yourself write Uncanny or Adjectiveless, Iceman will NEVER be trully developed by any writer.

Caney posted an interview featuring Bachalo, and his take on Iceman as a character.

... So who's to say that an artist can't portray a character differently than tha writer. They both may go hand in hand when it comes to creating a book, but Carey and Bachalo's collaboration is a perfect example of how two artists can have different takes on a single character.

[SMKSPY]

Caney posted an interview featuring Bachalo, and his take on Iceman as a character.

... So who's to say that an artist can't portray a character differently than tha writer. They both may go hand in hand when it comes to creating a book, but Carey and Bachalo's collaboration is a perfect example of how two artists can have different takes on a single character.

that has nothing to do with what I said...they may have different takes, but I promise neither of them care enough to develop Iceman the way Rogue or Gambit...hell even Jubilee has been developed.

[ProfeZZor X]

that has nothing to do with what I said...they may have different takes, but I promise neither of them care enough to develop Iceman the way Rogue or Gambit...hell even Jubilee has been developed.

The same can be said about every character in the Marvel Universe, but for those fortunate diehard fans that get a slice of a different direction with their favorite character, notice a difference moreso than others would. And in this case, he's not sporting the "Silver Surfer" look.

However, when you compare his team involvement and personality to the last two or three writers, he's had a lot more positive interaction in Carey's run than any of those two... And even though Carey's run is just beginning, he'll HAVE more overall reconstruction done to him than with any other writer on an ongoing series in history...

[SMKSPY]

The same can be said about every character in the Marvel Universe, but for those fortunate diehard fans that get a slice of a different direction with their favorite character, notice a difference moreso than others would. And in this case, he's not sporting the "Silver Surfer" look.

However, when you compare his team involvement and personality to the last two or three writers, he's had a lot more positive interaction in Carey's run than any of those two... And even though Carey's run is just beginning, he'll HAVE more overall reconstruction done to him than with any other writer on an ongoing series in history...

Well, I certainly think your overestimating what Carey is going to do with him. And basically, every writer with minor exceptions has written Iceman the same since 1963. Iceman is and always will be a background character. He will never have the front row place of Cyclops or Beast as a leading character.

In the end, after Carey leaves, Iceman will still be the same boring immature Iceman from 40 years ago.

[Affinity]

I like X-Factor Iceman. He's cool with me.

(PUNNY!!!!! LOLOLOL)

But, really. I like low-level powered mutants. Storm being outside to conjure weather. Cyclops needing to open his damn visor. Dazzler needing sound to be powerful. Rogue being impeded by the thoughts/actions of the host she's absorbed.

It makes for better character drama and TEAM battles. Keep them low. Early X-Factor Iceman is perfect by me.
Storm has to be outside?! Since when?

[Novaya Havoc]

Storm has to be outside?! Since when?

Since I become the writer of the X-Men.

Or since the first X-Men film.

[Affinity]

Lol, one or the other.

That's funny, though. No more giving the Outback team showers, though.

[Zombienorthstar]

I liked it when he started to freeze the blood flow to Emma Frosts brain...that was total badass.

[We R. Venom]

I liked it when he started to freeze the blood flow to Emma Frosts brain...that was total badass.

Indeed it was my friend. And for the record i do have faith in Carey, and even if he doesnt do everything that everyone wants, Im cool as long as he does a little bit i want. Cuz when it comes to your favorite chracter...you gotta be selfish I mean come on now, seriously.:cool: Woooooooo!!

[ProfeZZor X]

Indeed it was my friend. And for the record i do have faith in Carey, and even if he doesnt do everything that everyone wants, Im cool as long as he does a little bit i want. Cuz when it comes to your favorite chracter...you gotta be selfish I mean come on now, seriously.:cool: Woooooooo!!

One more day before I can ready the entire preview copy of #190.... :D

I also have faith in Carey's work, and I truly believe he will make Bobby a decent character... Until he falls back into his background character mode with the next writer.

[Hi-Fi]

One more day before I can ready the entire preview copy of #190.... :D



I don't think so. X-Men #90 was pushed to august 30, sadly.

[Avo D.]

Dont know if its mentioned throughout these posts, but Iceman in Ultimate War #3 I believe, fucking massive wave of ice, that was sweet ass.

[caney]

Dont know if its mentioned throughout these posts, but Iceman in Ultimate War #3 I believe, fucking massive wave of ice, that was sweet ass.

Yeah, Ultimate Iceman seems to be developling his powers better than 616 Iceman. A couple of issues ago Ultimate Iceman took a bullet while iced up and it didn't bother him. He just healed it with his powers.

[Affinity]

And the stint he pulled versus Spiral?

Yeah, he's doing good. Unfortunately BKV was doing a wonderful job. I'm not feeling this new guy at all. Frankly, I couldn't wait for last issue to end. I don't like this new team it all. Like Whedon and Cassaday---whoever follows them better be AWESOME. I'm not too happy with Madureira taking over for Hitch, too.

[ProfeZZor X]

And the stint he pulled versus Spiral?

Yeah, he's doing good. Unfortunately BKV was doing a wonderful job. I'm not feeling this new guy at all. Frankly, I couldn't wait for last issue to end. I don't like this new team it all. Like Whedon and Cassaday---whoever follows them better be AWESOME. I'm not too happy with Madureira taking over for Hitch, too.

I agree. I'm not too happy with the way things are right now.

[ProfeZZor X]

Yeah, Ultimate Iceman seems to be developling his powers better than 616 Iceman. A couple of issues ago Ultimate Iceman took a bullet while iced up and it didn't bother him. He just healed it with his powers.

Doesn't seem like much has happened with Ultimate Bobby in recent years... Not since his stint with the Weapon X facility... way back when.

[Hank Parlor]

To be honest, visually i've always preferred Iceman's appearance in his inaugral issue. Jack Kirby's depiction was more of a snowman then an iceman, but despite being faceless it still managed to evoke more personality then his constant Silver Surfer-lite look or his spikey-headed freak look. Although I realize it would involve a regression of his powers (although Stan Lee's Iceman was a lot more creative then subsequent incarnations with his powers, despite being MUCH less powerful) i'd like to see that look return.

[ProfeZZor X]

Well, I certainly think your overestimating what Carey is going to do with him. And basically, every writer with minor exceptions has written Iceman the same since 1963. Iceman is and always will be a background character. He will never have the front row place of Cyclops or Beast as a leading character.

In the end, after Carey leaves, Iceman will still be the same boring immature Iceman from 40 years ago.

Seeing as we're somewhat knee deep in character development with Carey's X-Men, I'd love for you to eat those words right about now. Bobby has come a long way over the year, and he doesn't seem to be stopping... I would hardly rate him as a B-Lister now.

[ProfeZZor X]

To be honest, visually i've always preferred Iceman's appearance in his inaugral issue. Jack Kirby's depiction was more of a snowman then an iceman, but despite being faceless it still managed to evoke more personality then his constant Silver Surfer-lite look or his spikey-headed freak look. Although I realize it would involve a regression of his powers (although Stan Lee's Iceman was a lot more creative then subsequent incarnations with his powers, despite being MUCH less powerful) i'd like to see that look return.

I'd rather stick to his current look, or his AoA look. Reverting back to his snowy appearance seems to reverse all the progression he's built up over the years. Manafesting his vapour form seems to be the next logical step at this point, but I still don't think he's comfortable with that just yet.