Ms. Marvel New Avenger

[CAPWOLF]

I know civil war is going to bring a lot of lineup changes in the New Avengers, but in the past few months Ms. Marvel unnoficially joined and I'd like to know how everyone felt about her joining. I think she was a wonderful addition to the team and that they needed a powerhouse like her. I t was also cool to see another woman on the squad. I would have loved it if Angelina err...I mean Daisy had joined also but oh well....Anyway thoughts on Ms. Marvel New Avenger?

[Tony Starkz]

I like the character but dropped her single title because I found the writing boring.

She really does kickass as an Avenger,I loved her in the Annual and the Collective.

[Effect]

Ms. Marvel is one of those characters to me that's okay in small doses. It's not like I dislike her or anything but she just comes off boring. Then again this the same problem I have with Wonder Woman as well. It's not like I dislike strong female characters either. I loved watching Xena, think Power Girl, Batgirl, and several of the female X-men are pretty cool characters and pretty interesting. It's really the whole Wonder Womanish type of character that comes off boring at times.

[Bobster777]

Ha ha, i guess I'm one of the few, but I like her monthly title. I think they should develop her more. With some great stories, she can become Marvel's equivalent to Wonder Woman. They just need to show her as being equal to the likes of Iron Man, Thor, and Cap in terms of dealing with problems in the Marvel U.

[Haunt]

Carol's my favorite marvel heroine. no offense to the current creative team (who i am perfectly fine with) but i think they'd draw more people in, if it were drawn by Cho or Copiel. and i can go either way on her Avengers membership. it couldn't hurt for her to be connected to the team, at least.

p.s. she needs to start dating Simon Williams, pronto.
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[Bobster777]

Carol's my favorite marvel heroine. no offense to the current creative team (who i am perfectly fine with) but i think they'd draw more people in, if it were drawn by Cho or Copiel. and i can go either way on her Avengers membership. it couldn't hurt for her to be connected to the team, at least.

p.s. she needs to start dating Simon Williams, pronto.
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Well, hopefully they build up Wonder Man again. That would be a great pairing and I think they would get really popular.

[Deus ex Chris]

Carol's my favorite marvel heroine. no offense to the current creative team (who i am perfectly fine with) but i think they'd draw more people in, if it were drawn by Cho or Copiel. and i can go either way on her Avengers membership. it couldn't hurt for her to be connected to the team, at least.
Heh, we agree on something: Coipel and Carol.

[Tony Starkz]

She's more fun to read when in the midst of an ensemble cast like New Avengers and Civil War.

I gave the first arc of her ongoing a shot,but nothing real special going on in terms of writing.

[Tony Starkz]

Carol's my favorite marvel heroine. no offense to the current creative team (who i am perfectly fine with) but i think they'd draw more people in, if it were drawn by Cho or Copiel. and i can go either way on her Avengers membership. it couldn't hurt for her to be connected to the team, at least.

p.s. she needs to start dating Simon Williams, pronto.
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Hell yea,Coipel owned on the Annual.

[Haunt]

Hell yea,Coipel owned on the Annual.


i was thinking of Geoff Johns run.

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[Tony Starkz]

Ahh,Red Zone.

[kcekada]

I expected her title to be much better based on the previews that were posted before it launched.

The art doesn't seem as good -- and the stories have been dull for the most part. The ending of issue 1 almost guaranteed a good story in issue 2 -- but I found 2 uneven.

Copiel on the title would be fine -- as long as he didn't bring that costume he created for Warbird in his Avengers run. Pee-yoo!

[Young Avenger]

i was thinking of Geoff Johns run.

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Carol looks like a member of S.T.A.R.S on the second pic.

[Leebenhouse]

I liked that costume, it looks like semi-body armor, rather than just flimsy spandex. More befitting a government operative anyhow.

[Bobster777]

I've gotten used to her current costume. It is sort of like Wonder Woman's constume. No matter what they are doing professionally, they should still wear it.

[jpk]

i was thinking of Geoff Johns run.

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On a side note, where did this unsure version of Ms. Marvel come from? She was pretty damn confident in the Johns run and showed few if any signs of insecurity.

[Mitchel]

I like the character but dropped her single title because I found the writing boring.

She really does kickass as an Avenger,I loved her in the Annual and the Collective.


I would recommend you to check her title again. The brood story wasn't that good but the latest issue which had Dr. Strange as a guest star was very well written, I also think that the Civil War issues will be very interesting, plus they guest star Wonder Man, you can't go wrong with that!:D

[Haunt]

On a side note, where did this unsure version of Ms. Marvel come from? She was pretty damn confident in the Johns run and showed few if any signs of insecurity.


it came from Bendis (started crumpling emotionally as soon as the Chaos storyline began). but, apparently, House of M showed her that she wasn't "being all she could be." that has, for some reason, led to her developing an inferiority complex. but, yeah, she was at the top of her game during Johns run. he 'got' that the character was really competitive, outspoken, and a born leader.

Carol looks like a member of S.T.A.R.S on the second pic.


it's purposely militaristic because Carol was being played up as a leader during this particular storyline. a lot of people didn't like that chest protector she's wearing but it's less for defense and more for people (who she is saving) to hold on to; straps on the side. also it's supposed to make you think of a fighter jet. her name was 'Warbird,' afterall.

[CMBMOOL]

Although she seems better in the New Avengers, maybe her own title would gain an upgrade once her Civil War tie-in story is over and we could see her in a more heroic/adventerous light/story arc.

So I say wait until After the Civil War tie-in stories to see what happens next. :D

[Magnificent Bastard]

Visually she stands out on the team, but, I dunno she does come across as "WW lite". WW at least has that warrior/Amazon edge to her while Carol is known for...what now?

Ms. Marvel = Cookie cutter WW.

[Haunt]

Visually she stands out on the team, but, I dunno she does come across as "WW lite". WW at least has that warrior/Amazon edge to her while Carol is known for...what now?

Ms. Marvel = Cookie cutter WW.


she's a former fighter pilot, professional writer, air force intelligence agent, security chief, and director of Homeland Security. she doesn't need an 'amazon edge' but i'd say that fighting that alien to the death during the Kang War qualifies her. how bout you?

[Mariah]

she's a former fighter pilot, professional writer, air force intelligence agent, security chief, and director of Homeland Security. she doesn't need an 'amazon edge' but i'd say that fighting that alien to the death during the Kang War qualifies her. how bout you?
Dont' forget she also stabbed the master during that story. I personally love her new series, but would love if Coipel drew her series, and this series should get more of a push, with their not being a lot of female solo series in MU

[Haunt]

Dont' forget she also stabbed the master during that story. I personally love her new series, but would love if Coipel drew her series, and this series should get more of a push, with their not being a lot of female solo series in MU



she also killed a lot of the Brood in cold blood. she's the Terminator with thigh high boots. Copiel's my number 1 choice for artist but i'm actually kind of curious what John Cassaday could do. he draws a decent Emma Frost and all of his SHIELD agents look really cool over in Astonishing. all depends on who is better at action sequences.

[Mariah]

she also killed a lot of the Brood in cold blood. she's the Terminator with thigh high boots. Copiel's my number 1 choice for artist but i'm actually kind of curious what John Cassaday could do. he draws a decent Emma Frost and all of his SHIELD agents look really cool over in Astonishing. all depends on who is better at action sequences.
I'd prefer Coipel as he seems he can handle a semi consistent schedule.

[LabRat]

Should've made her the official member instead of Ronin, she was in more missions with the New Avengers than Ronin was...

[DDM]

she also killed a lot of the Brood in cold blood. she's the Terminator with thigh high boots. Copiel's my number 1 choice for artist but i'm actually kind of curious what John Cassaday could do. he draws a decent Emma Frost and all of his SHIELD agents look really cool over in Astonishing. all depends on who is better at action sequences.

Long before Carol Danvers gained her Ms. Marvel powers, she is a trained warrior by Uncle Sam--the United States military--itself. Carol Danvers also worked as a spy for the US government later in her military career. All of these experiences make her an excellent killing machine of sorts. It's why Carol could kill the Brood with such incredible devastation as Binary.

[Haunt]

now that she's sided with Tony and SHIELD, i wonder if Carol will make any attempt at rekindling her relationship with Clay Quartermain. supposedly, Jessica Jones stole him from her at one point; creating a rift between them. or maybe Carol never made her intentions clear.

[Bobster777]

Long before Carol Danvers gained her Ms. Marvel powers, she is a trained warrior by Uncle Sam--the United States military--itself. Carol Danvers also worked as a spy for the US government later in her military career. All of these experiences make her an excellent killing machine of sorts. It's why Carol could kill the Brood with such incredible devastation as Binary.
Man, if she has her binary powers back for sure, she doesn't need any training at all. She can practically take out anything.

[Calybos]

Ms. Marvel's a great character, but I don't think joining the Not-Avengers is a good career move for her. It's a step down.

[Haunt]

Ms. Marvel's a great character, but I don't think joining the Not-Avengers is a good career move for her. It's a step down.


that's why she should join the Mighty Avengers.

[Loestal]

Should've made her the official member instead of Ronin, she was in more missions with the New Avengers than Ronin was...


Ronin isn't an Avenger is she? I mean...she just helped them out ONCE. I have yet to see where they say she is an official member. That's like saying that that comic book writer that wrote Sentry's comic is an Avenger because he helped the NA find Sentry.

[mrc1214]

The Defenders should come back and then she can join them. If not though then im perfectly fine with her on the Avengers.

[Magnificent Bastard]

Long before Carol Danvers gained her Ms. Marvel powers, she is a trained warrior by Uncle Sam--the United States military--itself. Carol Danvers also worked as a spy for the US government later in her military career. All of these experiences make her an excellent killing machine of sorts. It's why Carol could kill the Brood with such incredible devastation as Binary.

With the exception of Brood killing, sounds a LOT like Captain America, yes?

[DDM]

With the exception of Brood killing, sounds a LOT like Captain America, yes?

No. When Carol met Rogue in Uncanny X-Men #171, Binary knocked Rogue into Earth's orbit. Since Rogue has Ms. Marvel's powers, Rogue survived. Colossus held back Binary from tearing Rogue apart. Binary--who was planning to join the X-Men--left the team in disgust that they would allow Rogue to join the team. Carol Danvers is a merciless warrior when she has to be.

[Absolut_Fresh]

Carol is my favorite woman in the MU right now, since my Jean is still in the White Hot Room....and i would LOVE for her to be on the New Avengers, as much as i am loving her new series, she really does work better in a team setting. i am afraid her new series is not going to make it and then i will be left without BOTH of my favorite ladies!!

[EmmettHULK]

Ms. Marvel's a great character, but I don't think joining the Not-Avengers is a good career move for her. It's a step down.


And yet, being an unofficial member of the "Not Avengers" led directly to her getting a solo title (which BTW, had a big "From The Pages Of New Avengers" slapped across the cover of the first issue. (Quite a stepdown, eh? ;) )

Being part of the "classic" Avengers never prompted Marvel to give her a second solo book...


Not that it matters anyway...she's actually shone best in the issues of NA in which she has appeared...her solo title is a very dull, generic read.
I would say being part of NA has actually been a step up for her...

[Calybos]

Being associated with the Not-Avengers is a step down for just about anyone, including Speedball.

[EmmettHULK]

Being associated with the Not-Avengers is a step down for just about anyone, including Speedball.


Tell that to Ms.Marvel, who got a decent-selling solo book out of her association with the new Avengers and renewed relevance in the MU.
And tell that to Spider-Woman (a solid seller mini and an upcoming solo book, appearances all over the MU), and Sentry (another solid seller miniseries)...


As for Speedball...well, you can't get any worse than that anyway.

[Haunt]

And yet, being an unofficial member of the "Not Avengers" led directly to her getting a solo title (which BTW, had a big "From The Pages Of New Avengers" slapped across the cover of the first issue. (Quite a stepdown, eh? ;) )

bogus. House of M led to her getting a solo series. and even before that (Geoff Johns run) Carol was being built up as a legitimate hero (the President gave her a special position within HOmeland Security).

Being part of the "classic" Avengers never prompted Marvel to give her a second solo book...


being a solo star prompted the writers to put Carol in the Old Avengers. that's how it should work.

[DDM]

being a solo star prompted the writers to put Carol in the Old Avengers. that's how it should work.

Not exactly. Although Ms. Marvel had several adventures with the Avengers as an ally, when Ms. Marvel was cancelled in 1978, Ms. Marvel was shifted into the Avengers as an official member in The Avengers #183 in 1979. Worse, Ms. Marvel was written out of the Avengers from The Avengers #197-200 when she came under the mental control of Marcus, son of Immortus.

Chris Claremont salvaged Carol Danvers in the classic Avengers Annual #10 to have the totality of her being completely stripped from her by the evil mutant, Rogue. Chris Claremont used Carol Danvers as a supporting character in Uncanny X-Men & The New Mutants when she even became the cosmic mutate, Binary.

[Effect]

Is it just me or when looking at Carol's background, anyone ever get the feeling that they were trying "TO HARD" to make her interesting or a strong female character?

I kind of have a problem with that. Does a character need to have all this military styled background in order to be strong or badass or to even be interesting?

I think this is why like characters like Spider-man, Nova, Aquaman (new one) and a few others. They are superheros and have special powers, either they were born with them or get them some other way. That's what makes them interesting. I think those that are military based characters should be kept sepereate from those with the super powers.

If they are military incline, let them be military agents, ala Shield and be done with it. Have their background reflect that. If they are superheros with superpowers, let them have a normal background and show just how lucky or unlucky they were to get their powers. No need to combine the two I feel. It creates, at least to me a feeling of overkill. Or a situation where the characters comes off as trying to hard to get readers to like them or to make them appear strong.

Perhaps I'm wrong about this. I would not mind a background change for her, in fact I'd perfer it. Or have her drop the superhero powers or lessen them and just have her be a Shield agent, not both. Perhaps this is part of stops me from getting into the character along with what I said before.

Simplify the character is what I'm getting at I think, at least her past.

Then again this just could be a whole situation of a new reader getting into the universe where characters have been around for decades and have gone through different changes in hopes of keeping them interesting. So my concerns really could just be directed at the univese and characters in general as a whole.

I guess if they rebooted the universe every ten years and planned things a result with beginnings and endings things wouldn't get so convoluted. Doubt anyone else would like that or expect it to happen.

[Young Avenger]

Being associated with the Not-Avengers is a step down for just about anyone, including Speedball.

Just because you don't like the team doesn't mean that it will be a step down with any character who associates with them.

[Haunt]

Is it just me or when looking at Carol's background, anyone ever get the feeling that they were trying "TO HARD" to make her interesting or a strong female character?

I kind of have a problem with that. Does a character need to have all this military styled background in order to be strong or badass or to even be interesting?

I think this is why like characters like Spider-man, Nova, Aquaman (new one) and a few others. They are superheros and have special powers, either they were born with them or get them some other way. That's what makes them interesting. I think those that are military based characters should be kept sepereate from those with the super powers.

If they are military incline, let them be military agents, ala Shield and be done with it. Have their background reflect that. If they are superheros with superpowers, let them have a normal background and show just how lucky or unlucky they were to get their powers. No need to combine the two I feel. It creates, at least to me a feeling of overkill. Or a situation where the characters comes off as trying to hard to get readers to like them or to make them appear strong.

Perhaps I'm wrong about this. I would not mind a background change for her, in fact I'd perfer it. Or have her drop the superhero powers or lessen them and just have her be a Shield agent, not both. Perhaps this is part of stops me from getting into the character along with what I said before.

Simplify the character is what I'm getting at I think, at least her past.

Then again this just could be a whole situation of a new reader getting into the universe where characters have been around for decades and have gone through different changes in hopes of keeping them interesting. So my concerns really could just be directed at the univese and characters in general as a whole.

I guess if they rebooted the universe every ten years and planned things a result with beginnings and endings things wouldn't get so convoluted. Doubt anyone else would like that or expect it to happen.


it was needed in Carol's case. that military stuff wasn't thrown in to make her a bad@$$. it ties into her personality. most of her adulthood was spent proving her father wrong (makes her sympathetic). he was the type who had a very high opinion of the military and a very low opinion of females in that occupation. both of Carol's brothers were enlisted, as well. but it's not her only accomplishment. she was also a successful writer. the key is that whatever career track she takes, Carol wants to be the best. she's twice as competitive as any of those other characters you named. it's alright if you don't like that sort of thing but i see room in the marvel universe for a character like that.

[DDM]

Is it just me or when looking at Carol's background, anyone ever get the feeling that they were trying "TO HARD" to make her interesting or a strong female character?

I kind of have a problem with that. Does a character need to have all this military styled background in order to be strong or badass or to even be interesting?

I think this is why like characters like Spider-man, Nova, Aquaman (new one) and a few others. They are superheros and have special powers, either they were born with them or get them some other way. That's what makes them interesting. I think those that are military based characters should be kept sepereate from those with the super powers.

If they are military incline, let them be military agents, ala Shield and be done with it. Have their background reflect that. If they are superheros with superpowers, let them have a normal background and show just how lucky or unlucky they were to get their powers. No need to combine the two I feel. It creates, at least to me a feeling of overkill. Or a situation where the characters comes off as trying to hard to get readers to like them or to make them appear strong.

Perhaps I'm wrong about this. I would not mind a background change for her, in fact I'd perfer it. Or have her drop the superhero powers or lessen them and just have her be a Shield agent, not both. Perhaps this is part of stops me from getting into the character along with what I said before.

Simplify the character is what I'm getting at I think, at least her past.

Then again this just could be a whole situation of a new reader getting into the universe where characters have been around for decades and have gone through different changes in hopes of keeping them interesting. So my concerns really could just be directed at the univese and characters in general as a whole.

I guess if they rebooted the universe every ten years and planned things a result with beginnings and endings things wouldn't get so convoluted. Doubt anyone else would like that or expect it to happen.


You don't understand Carol Danvers' character at all. From her very first appearance in 1966's Marvel Super-Heroes #13 which continues in the original Captain Marvel series, Carol Danvers has no superhuman powers. She is a supporting character who is often saved by Mar-Vell.

A decade later, Marvel wanted to make stronger female characters central to the Marvel Comics brand; therefore, in 1977, Ms. Marvel #1 appeared. Apparently, Ms. Marvel's origin is in Captain Marvel #18 when Captain Marvel saves Carol Danvers from Yon-Rogg's psyche magnatron. The psyche magnatron makes thoughts reality. In Carol's case, she yearned to be a strong, superhero in her own right. Thus, Ms. Marvel was born. Ironically, Ms. Marvel existed as a second split personality within Carol's mind. A second exposure to the psyche magnatron in Ms. Marvel #3-4 permanently altered Carol's genes making her the only human-Kree hybrid in existence. With Carol's augmented genes, as Ms. Marvel, Carol could fly, has superhuman strength, speed, a precognative 7th sense, & an unexplained ability to change from regular street clothes to Ms. Marvel.

Ms. Marvel would eventually join the Avengers before leaving due to an unexpected pregnancy.

A year later, Ms. Marvel reappeared in San Francisco, California when she was attacked by Rogue. Rogue absorbed the totality of Carol Danvers into herself as shown in Avengers Annual #10. Rogue was only to absorb Ms. Marvel's powers & psyche temporarily, but something went wrong. Carol Danvers fought too hard. As a result, Rogue had gained a second personality--Ms. Marvel--within her own mind as well as Ms. Marvel's powers. Rogue did not possess Ms. Marvel's 7th sense & Ms. Marvel's ability to change from normal clothes to costume. The Ms. Marvel personality also set up an opposing brainwave pattern which made Rogue's mind virtually impossible to read by even the most powerful telepaths. The Ms. Marvel personality first came to the surface in Uncanny X-Men #182 & again in Uncanny X-Men #235-247.

The real Carol Danvers lost her emotional ties since Rogue possessed all of them. Feeling bitter, she served as an ally to the X-Men from Uncanny X-Men #150-174. In Uncanny X-Men #162, Carol Danvers along with the X-Men were abducted by the Brood. The Brood are fascinated with Carol's unique human-Kree genetic structure which she retained after Rogue stole her Ms. Marvel powers. The Brood subjected Danvers with the Evolutionary Ray to activate the latent potential within her genes. If she proved to be powerful, she would be implanted with a Brood queen egg; if not, she would be food. However, Wolverine interrupted the Brood's experiments. In Uncanny X-Men #164, the latent potential of the human-Kree hybrid genes are realized as Carol Danvers transforms into the cosmic mutate, Binary.

As Binary, Carol Danvers is linked permanently to a white hole. A white hole is the end point of a collapsing star from another galaxy. Since she is linked to the singularity, she has all the powers of a star & can generate any spectrum of radiation as she sees fit. Binary could also fly in the vaccuum of space without any artificial devices. She could also fly at near light speed. Once Binary expands a great amount of energy at once time, she reverts back to Carol Danvers.

Currently, Ms. Marvel still has her Binary powers, but only split in half.

Chris Claremont was always going to have Rogue take Ms. Marvel's powers away even had her Ms. Marvel series had not been cancelled.