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leakanddestroy

07-01-2006, 03:58 PM

Sentinel K

07-01-2006, 04:01 PM

Siddon

07-01-2006, 04:02 PM

Yes now go purchase every Wolverine appearence.

Zombienorthstar

07-01-2006, 04:02 PM

Wolvereen is Alwys a totl badass.

He is teh awsom.

Dont you'll get me started.

he is bAda$$ tho{}}}

leakanddestroy

07-01-2006, 04:05 PM

He's SO badass though.

Zombienorthstar

07-01-2006, 04:07 PM

He's SO badass though.

they shud rename AStoishshing X-Men, AST--0nishing Wulverine and whenever Wolverine is not on panELL ull the 0-ther charickters shud be asking 'Whur is Wulderine?'

OHH an Wilverine shuyfd release a rap song!

leakanddestroy

07-01-2006, 04:09 PM

The only problem is that I don't really like the artist. On the cover of 43, Wolverine's hand is clearly larger than his misshapen head, and his forearm is larger than his and Nitro's head put together. Ramos really is a bummer as far as artists go in my opinion.

The Mirrorball Man

07-01-2006, 04:18 PM

ibrakeforchinwe

07-01-2006, 04:39 PM

clicking on this thread lowered my IQ my 4 decimals

Sam T.

07-01-2006, 04:44 PM

xmanson

07-01-2006, 04:51 PM

When this storyline was solicited, I thought... "Logan fighting Nitro is dumb. I mean, look what happned when someone got closer to Nitro... he explodes. he kills the one near him. Why send Logan to get him? He will explode and something stupid will happen for Logan to be able to get him."

Yeah, I was right.

Vaal

07-01-2006, 05:23 PM

they shud rename AStoishshing X-Men, AST--0nishing Wulverine and whenever Wolverine is not on panELL ull the 0-ther charickters shud be asking 'Whur is Wulderine?'

OHH an Wilverine shuyfd release a rap song!
I already made this joke! And I took it way too far, too.

His [Whedon's] job is to make Wolverine and only Wolverine look cool. Constantly and consistantly. Blatantly even.

And when Wolverine is off panel, all the other characters should be commenting on his coolness or asking where he is.

Occasionally Collossus can do something cool -- but he must immediatley be compared to Wolverine and found lacking.

For those of you not paying attention, that was sarcasm.

Yeah, only Wolverine should ever be able to kick ass. Nevermind that Kitty *is* a ninja -- Wolverine is the only important X-man.

This arc should end with Wolverine killing everyone. Not just the Hellfire Club, not just the people present, not just to people in the Marvel Universe -- EVERYONE.

Because he's the Wolverine.

The defense rests, your honor :)

Zombienorthstar

07-01-2006, 05:29 PM

I already made this joke! And I took it way too far, too.

The defense rests, your honor :)

Yeah but Sentinal K and i used fanboy speak... making ours satire whiles yours was sarcasm :D plus i didnt steal from you so much as i stole from the Simpsons and Homer's hillarious 'Where's Poochie?' line.

Chinchalinchin

07-01-2006, 06:44 PM

I'm glad everyone answered this guy's question.

I'd answer but I don't really read Wolverine's solo.

Siddon

07-01-2006, 06:45 PM

And mine was both serious and cruel so I win.

twilight

07-02-2006, 10:12 PM

Finally!! Someone who I can agree with!!!

Don't be so silly.

If you don't like Ramos it's not like anyone's forcing you to read it.

Dirk Anger

07-02-2006, 11:10 PM

Cyclops definitely wishes he was Wolverine. Emma hit the nail right on the head.

Alex A Sanchez

07-03-2006, 12:21 AM

whenever Wolverine is not on panELL ull the 0-ther charickters shud be asking 'Whur is Wulderine?'

Funniest thing I've read online today.

Zombienorthstar

07-03-2006, 06:20 AM

Funniest thing I've read online today.

oH Mr Sanchez...your making me blush...

shaunyc56

07-03-2006, 06:32 AM

Cyclops definitely wishes he was Wolverine. Emma hit the nail right on the head.

Why would he? Sure, Wolverine is everybodies idea of cool, but Scott gets all the tail, and he gets to tell Wolvy what to do. Sit Wolvy, Stay, Claw that guy.

fishtaco

07-03-2006, 06:59 AM

THANOS/WOLVERINE

07-03-2006, 08:05 AM

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Wolverine hasn't been awesome since 1991. Since 1991, he has been written like an invincible super-man-like character who can't die. He's boring, uninteresting, and one-dimensional when he can survive anything (this is in the movies too, especially X3 when he survived getting all of the skin peeled off of him by Jean).

With his origin revealed in 2002, he is even less interesting. Wolverine had a mystery to him. We (or he) didn't know how he got here, didn't know how he got the claws, but so what? He's here, and that's what matters. He doesn't care where he came from. He lives for the present. Origin was an awful story that took all of this away from him, and since Bendis gave him all of his memories back, I'd say he is pretty much 100% ruined as a character. In fact, I might even go as far and say that he is one of the worst Marvel characters that has a solo title. Wolverine used to be one of the coolest characters ever, but now he's a joke and a parody. Sorry.

Please explain to me how a little reveal here and there has made him the worst charecter? Did you not like it before when they would have flashback issues such as Wolverine #34 which had a flashback sequence to Logan in WW2? If he is such a horrible charecter why read about him and comment about him? Maybe cause you still enjoy him but you just want something to complain about. If he is the worst charecter ever don't read abuot him. Problem solved!

Mikl C

07-03-2006, 08:39 AM

I... actually agree with fishtaco. Definite Origin- BAD IDEA. I also hate the "invincible" crap as well because it makes zero sense given his powers.

THANOS/WOLVERINE

07-03-2006, 09:25 AM

I... actually agree with fishtaco. Definite Origin- BAD IDEA. I also hate the "invincible" crap as well because it makes zero sense given his powers.

Why is having a definitive origin ruining the charecter? Its not like not having an origin made up his entire existance. Please explain?

mrc1214

07-03-2006, 09:45 AM

Why is having a definitive origin ruining the charecter? Its not like not having an origin made up his entire existance. Please explain?

I agree what did you never want to have an origin for him?? I do have a problem with him being all powerful. Last issue was ridiculous what he recovered from. But hes a popular charcter, who sells well so ill live with it.

Sentinel K

07-03-2006, 09:45 AM

Being invincible DEFINATELY is crap.

How can you ever be fearful for a character who can never die.

You can't. Which makes him DULL.

I didn't mind Origin that much, was alright. Could have been better.

There is still plenty of mystery about the character, but the fact is, after 40 + years, people get bored of the mystery. I know I did. An'd I've only been reading since 2000.

Mariah

07-03-2006, 10:28 AM

I hated Origin, it was shnit imo. I really haven't liked Wolvie so much since he became all feral like and lost his nose. I thought he was at his best around the time when CC was writing about his healing factor going all wonky, and then when he had his Adamantium ripped out, and his dealing with that. I really loved the scene where he popped his bone claws for the first time.

Mikl C

07-03-2006, 11:40 AM

Origin was a nice story but SUCKED for the character, for me at least. Wolverine's mystery past was part of the appeal.

fishtaco

07-03-2006, 12:31 PM

Origin was a nice story but SUCKED for the character, for me at least. Wolverine's mystery past was part of the appeal.Okay, I guess that can work. The story in itself was good in the context of someone's life story. However, this was Wolverine, and it took away the character's mystique.

There are several characters in the Marvel Universe who are interesting (among other reasons, of course) for their mystique (and yes, Mystique is one of them). Some characters are interesting when they have shady pasts that have vaguely been hinted at. There is no point in revealing these character's past identities. It changes the character in the minds of the readers, and often for the worse, in my opinion.

Wolverine, Black Cat, Rogue, Forge, Gambit, Polaris, Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew), Black Widow, Lila Cheney, Mystique, Sabretooth, Yukio, Gateway, Nightcrawler, Callisto, Magneto, Cable, Sage, Madison Jeffries, and Elektra among several others all fit into this category.

V (from V for Vendetta) was interesting for many reasons, but one major one being that hardly anything is known about his past. He's completely shrouded in mystery. Same applies for the above mentioned characters, among many others.
Being invincible DEFINATELY is crap.

How can you ever be fearful for a character who can never die.

You can't. Which makes him DULL.If you haven't already, you should read the Uncanny X-Men era where Wolverine was wandering the world with Jubilee (Uncanny X-Men #'s 251-253, 257-258, 261, 268, Annual #14 (2nd story), plus #'s 273, 275). This was all buildup to a story that unfortunately didn't happen (though something similar to it happened in Enemy of The State), but Wolverine was at his best in these issues because his healing factor was brought down dramatically. He was insane and suffering from mental delusions of Carol Danvers and Nick Fury, and all that cigar smoking started to get the better of him.

Sentinel K

07-03-2006, 12:41 PM

If you haven't already, you should read the Uncanny X-Men era where Wolverine was wandering the world with Jubilee (Uncanny X-Men #'s 251-253, 257-258, 261, 268, Annual #14 (2nd story), plus #'s 273, 275). This was all buildup to a story that unfortunately didn't happen (though something similar to it happened in Enemy of The State), but Wolverine was at his best in these issues because his healing factor was brought down dramatically. He was insane and suffering from mental delusions of Carol Danvers and Nick Fury, and all that cigar smoking started to get the better of him.

I have read them, and yes they were awesome. I would have SO loved to have seen Dark Wolverine.

Alas, it wasn't to be.

fishtaco

07-03-2006, 01:00 PM

Likewise. I've written a lot about that story in my journal...

In 1992, Chris Claremont had planned a story called the Dark Wolverine Saga. The X-Men would have fought the Reavers again in X-Men (2nd Series) #4, resulting with Lady Deathstrike ripping out Wolverine’s heart. Wolverine would have been pronounced dead, but would have reappeared one year later as The Hand’s "Master Assassin" (it is unknown would have happened in the pages of Wolverine’s solo series during the period of his absence).

The majority of the X-Men (including Cyclops) thought that Wolverine needed to be taken down permanently, but Professor X stressed that it was of paramount importance to bring Wolverine back to the good side. Wolverine would have led The Hand against the X-Men, and eventually Colossus would have ripped out Wolverine’s claws from their roots. The adamantium would have started to peel and leech out of his skin while his healing factor was at the same time working in overdrive to repair Wolverine’s heart, bringing his healing factor beyond it’s limits.

Following this battle, The Hand would have given Wolverine artificial claws. Eventually, The Hand would have battled the X-Men again, and Jean Grey would have infiltrated The Hand, and she would have succeeded in freeing Wolverine from The Hand’s brainwashing and spells. Wolverine and Jean would have become a couple afterwards. Here is an excerpt from an interview with Claremont in 1992...

“Originally, my intent was to have Wolverine killed by Lady Deathstrike. His healing factor would have gone into overdrive to save him. In the meanwhile, his body would be acquired by The Hand and he would be “reborn” by them as their new Master Assassin, at which point the would lead them against the X-Men. This in turn would lead the greatest unimaginable challenge to the relationship between [Cyclops] and Jean, with who knows what kind of repercussions (short & long term), leading up to a final cathartic conclusion in Uncanny X-Men #294, and then in Uncanny X-Men #300.

Wolverine died. Jean Grey goes in and becomes his evil babe, though not really, she would be faking it. She is trying to tap into the Wolverine that is buried beneath all of The Hand’s spells. Scott and company are figuring, “Wolverine’s gone bad, we gotta put him down”. Xavier is immovably adamant about the need to save him. The need to salvage him, to bring him back to the light.

Wolvie’s healing factor went into ultra high gear, when he was “killed”, it was essentially rebuilding his heart. This is really disgusting, but his arms and legs would have rotted, as his heart healed. His conscious mind would have been kept in total suspended animation, everything would have geared towards keeping his sentiency intact and repairing his heart, everything would have been left to rot. So you would find this partially decomposed body, with a full-healed torso, at which point, the decomposed bits would begin to heal. It would take a long time and be disgusting beyond words, but ultimately he would have survived. The idea was that Wolverine really is impossible to kill. Anyway, one of the side effects of this, the healing factor is purging all non-organic matter, which means the adamantium. So what was going to happen was that it was like the Silver Surfer with hair. He’d be this blinding, shining creature with killer claws. Ultimately, the adamantium would just be part of his hair, he’d look like a silver porcupine.

At some point, he and Colossus would have a major fight, and it would have this great cover, it would be a black background with a spotlight of light and in the center of the spotlight are two sets of claws with the housings, just as if they had been ripped out of his arms and one of the claws would be broken. What was going to happen in that issue was that Colossus was just going to pull the claws off from their roots.

So The Hand would then give him artificial claws, they would work or not work as the case may be, but again, as part of the healing process, gradually he would realize that he was growing something new. That there is a natural element is his body that gives him claws. And over a span of six issues, you would see them grow.

So, when all is said and done, it would come down to a major league fight between the X-Men and Wolverine. A major component of the fight would be Wolverine’s battle with himself over the goodness of his soul, the warrior of his soul fighting this demon he had become, and he would win. The adamantium would flake off and he would stand reborn as a totally natural being. His bones and claws would be virtually unbreakable, they could be broken, but they could also heal. But because of the incredible stress he has been under for the past two years, his healing factor is like, “I’m tired. Don’t do this again, not fore awhile, OK?” After all this, Wolverine is not only more vulnerable. He’s going to butt his head into the wall because “It hurts too much and why do I wanna hurt myself? I’ll use the key”. It is like Wolverine’s come face to face with his own morality, and his own limitations and is like, “I’m too old for this shit. We’ll find a better way.”

But at the same time, it would create a bond between him and Jean like nothing that’s ever been done before. So that even if she was in love with [Cyclops], there would be a level of communication between her and Logan that Scott could only dream about, or have nightmares about. And at the end of it all, would lead to a final confrontation with the Shadow King. But that was my storyline, my core story for the first two years of X-Men.”

Foreshadowing of the Dark Wolverine Saga was subtly seen throughout Uncanny X-Men #’s 205, 207-208, 226, 251-253, 256-258, 268, 273, 275, Annual #14 (2nd story). In Uncanny X-Men #’s 256-258, Psylocke becomes Lady Mandarin, and The Hand’s best assassin. She captures Wolverine, and The Hand try to brainwash him into also becoming one of The Hand’s assassins. The Hand used Psylocke to brainwash him, and one of her tactics in the process included entering into his psyche while posing as Jean Grey (as well as Yukio and Mariko Yashida) to seduce him, while on the corporeal world The Hand used technology called “sensory deprivation” in order to make him lose his group on reality. Ironically, Wolverine’s own insanity and mental delusions of Carol Danvers and Nick Fury (perpetuated by his crucifixion by the Reavers in Uncanny X-Men #251) led to The Hand’s failure to control him, as well as his successful escape with Jubilee, and a de-brainwashed Psylocke.

In Uncanny X-Men #273 (page 15), Jean Grey asks Psylocke if she can ever return to her British form. Psylocke replies that not even Forge has invented technology to reverse the process, and she commented that her teammates are not quite sure that she is truly free from The Hand’s influence, as she also mentions her teammates not trusting Wolverine much anymore. The reader assumes that Psylocke was referring to Wolverine’s insanity and lack of grip over reality as a reason for not being trustworthy, but what Claremont really meant through Psylocke was what would have happened in the Dark Wolverine Saga. It was not Psylocke the X-Men had to worry about being loyal to The Hand; it was Wolverine.

Prior to the Dark Wolverine Saga, Claremont wanted Wolverine to be less powerful, by bringing down his healing factor capabilities. Claremont seemed to have this idea earlier on in his run, such as in Uncanny X-Men #226, where Wolverine is depicted as exhausted and weakened from using his healing factor extensively after a battle with Freedom Force. Claremont believed that Wolverine would be a much more realistic character if his healing factor actually had limits. Claremont depicted Wolverine’s healing factor having limits just as well in Uncanny X-Men #’s 207-208.

He began the actual plot in Uncanny X-Men #251, when the Reavers crucified Wolverine on an X-shaped cross, upon returning to the Australian Outback from Madripoor. The crucifixion overtaxed his healing factor. Claremont was slowly developing this story, such as in Uncanny X-Men #257, page 18, where Wolverine considers taking death more seriously, after he started hacking and coughing from smoking a cigar. As Wolverine stated in Uncanny X-Men #196, smoking cigars doesn’t hurt his lungs or heart because his healing factor can repair the damage. He also collapses and starts bleeding. He also was coughing and wheezing in Uncanny X-Men Annual #14 (2nd story) from smoking. In Uncanny X-Men #268 (page 12), the Black Widow notices that Wolverine looks really sick, but she says nothing of it. Rose Wu tells Wolverine that he has "certainly looked better" in Uncanny X-Men #257 (page 11). Wolverine was also suffering from mental delusions because of his insanity. He continued to believe that he was being accompanied by Nick Fury and Carol Danvers while he was traveling the Pacific Rim with Jubilee (and later Psylocke). He would talk to them, even though they were not really there. Jubilee didn’t know what to do about it. She kept telling Wolverine that there was nobody around but the two of them, but he just ignored her.

fishtaco

07-03-2006, 01:02 PM

Last bit...Despite fan interest in this plot, X-Men editor Bob Harras and Uncanny X-Men artist Jim Lee demanded Claremont drop the plot, and the last time Wolverine is mentioned sick is in Uncanny X-Men #275 (page 5, where Deathbird notes, “The man is a shadow of his true self. As though his flesh has all but failed him…and his life-force remains sustained solely by an indomitable will!”). .

The love triangle between Cyclops, Wolverine, and Jean Grey is a plotline that Claremont had been progressing since the near beginning of his original run, in X-Men (1st Series) #‘s 98, 101, 110, 128. Even before the Dark Phoenix Saga (in which Jean died). Claremont would have likely been dropping hints had the original ending of the Dark Phoenix Saga occurred, but he didn’t start dropping the hints again until Jean came back in Fantastic Four (1st Series) #286, Avengers (1st Series) #263, and X-Factor (1st Series) #1. Since Jean’s return, Claremont dropped his first hint in Classic X-Men #1. Other hints of buildup occurred in Uncanny X-Men #‘s 215, 258, 242 (Wolverine and Jean kiss in this issue), and in X-Men (2nd Series) #3. While this story never happened, the love triangle between these three heroes has been picked up by other writers as well, such as Grant Morrison, Joss Whedon, and more. The triangle even took center stage in the X-Men movies.

It is unknown what would have become of the relationship between Wolverine and Mariko Yashida after Wolverine and Jean Grey would have become a couple. I suspect she was never to be seen again (as far as Claremont goes), or even possibly killed off (which is exactly what Larry Hama did).

By "killing" Wolverine, Lady Deathstrike would have fulfilled her goal by killing the man who supposedly stole her father (Lord Darkwind)'s adamantium. I speculate that Claremont planned for Lady Deathstrike to reform. In Uncanny X-Men #269 (pages 6-7), Deathstrike showed signs of a conscience when she gently asked Cylla Markham (Skullbuster II) if she is positive about her decision to become a cyborg and join the Reavers.

In X-Men (2nd Series) Annual 2000, Lady Deathstrike worked together against the X-Men to defeat Stryfe and a small army of Prime Sentinels, and she celebrated their victory with them afterwards. However, the next time Claremont wrote Lady Deathstrike in X-Treme X-Men #’s 25-30, she was back to being a full-fledged villain as she nearly killed Wolverine and framed the X-Men for destroying a military aircraft (a scene homage to Uncanny X-Men #255). However, Lady Deathstrike’s reversion could have been an editorial decision.

In 2005, Mark Millar wrote a story in Wolverine (3rd Series) #’s 20-31 called Enemy of The State. This story was somewhat close plot-wise to what Claremont had planned for the Dark Wolverine Saga. When asked by a fan if Millar asked Claremont if he could use his plot for his run on Wolverine, Claremont responded “Great minds think alike”. However, some fans of Claremont who knew of the Dark Wolverine Saga said that Enemy of The State came out of nowhere and did not have any build up (which is technically true, because Millar began the story as soon as he replaced Greg Rucka on the title).

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 02:13 PM

I've read Wolverine #43 where he faces Nitro and it's awesome/amazing. Is this an exceptionally good issue (it probably is), or all Wolverine books on par with this one? If so, I'm definitely pulling this.

Scientists in Walla-Walla Washington have concluded that Wolverine was actually 15% more awesome in that issue than his average level of awesomeness, which is a respectable 8.7 on the Zebrinski scale.

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 02:17 PM

Re: all the Origin bitching.

You people realize it was just a story of pre-pubescent Wolverine killing a couple of people and then forgetting about it, right? It would be like a mini series showing Bruce Wayne fighting a bully in kindergarten before his parents were killed and calling it Batman: Origin.

We learned LESS about his origin in that mini than we did in the Weapon X story over a DECADE ago.

SEAN

Brian M.

04-30-2007, 02:26 PM

I don't care what Claremont has planned, every writer has what-if's they had stayed stories, why should Claremont's be considered hollier than thou?

Guggenhiam's story was a lot of fun. It was probably one of the best Wolverine stories I've read in a long while. If he comes back to the title I'll buy his story.

EDIT: Oh and I'll make his clear...I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS HEALING FACTOR!!! You know the character won't die, so who cares if he heals in 30 seconds or 30 days. Not Me!!!!

Editor

04-30-2007, 02:38 PM

Wolverine hasn't been awesome since around 1992.

He's had sporadic periods of being 'pretty cool' since then.

Vendetta being one of those times.

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 02:47 PM

Ha! I love watching the haters come running whenever someone starts a Wolverine thread.

It's like a drop of blood in a tank full of sharks!;)

Jake V

04-30-2007, 02:52 PM

Ha! I love watching the haters come running whenever someone starts a Wolverine thread.

It's like a drop of blood in a tank full of sharks!;)

The thread was started 10 months ago.

DDM

04-30-2007, 02:53 PM

Wolverine is about a good as stale, mold-infested bread.

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 02:53 PM

The thread was started 10 months ago.

Sorry. Must've missed it. Apparently I don't seek them out in order to vent like most do.

DDM

04-30-2007, 02:55 PM

I don't care what Claremont has planned, every writer has what-if's they had stayed stories, why should Claremont's be considered hollier than thou?

Chris Claremont defined Wolverine that other writers follow. This has not changed today. Writers are still following Chris Claremont's lead instead of creating something new & interesting with the character to date.

Brian M.

04-30-2007, 02:58 PM

Chris Claremont defined Wolverine that other writers follow. This has not changed today. Writers are still following Chris Claremont's lead instead of creating something new & interesting with the character to date.

I don't care. It's in the past. Yesterday I was gonna go right instead of left...should I map out exactly what would have happened if I had gone right? No, b/c it has NO BARRING WHAT SO EVER ON MY LIFE NOW!!!

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 03:01 PM

Agreed. Claremont is gone. Let's move on.

jmc247

04-30-2007, 03:02 PM

Wolverine is awsome. He is immortal and unkillable and has the power to take out a herald of Galactus with ease.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/SilverSurfer.jpg

Wolverine = God.

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 03:26 PM

Sorry. Must've missed it. Apparently I don't seek them out in order to vent like most do.

No offense, but...yeah you do. You just happen to vent in the opposite way.

SEAN

DrDoomX

04-30-2007, 03:30 PM

I think Wolverine is a fantastic Character when written well...but when written badly, well its not pretty. Here are the things, Logan can be interpreted many ways...The way Claremont Portrayed him during his Uncanny run, was a progression as he did with all his other characters. Storm progressed from having "goddess" mentality to a more brooding human, who would lead the team and do whatever needed then a caring goddess type. But thats just one example. As for Logan Claremont showed Wolverine progress from a cocky little jerk to something much much more. He showed evolved into some one with a rather frigthening temper, and gave him a real personality. He showed him as a realist and though he did not show it, he had moments of intelect and rather sophistication, but still had a very primal side at that. Then came the Wolverine Mini, and that defined the Character to its core...

Other writers have taken him and wrote him good, some have not. Claremont mastered the character, and his Wolverine, is a bit more nicer to some degree then others. Look at Morrisons Logan...that was a more brutal animalistic Logan that we saw. Whedons Logan, before I go on, some one stated that Logan is Whedons focus, but thats a complete disagreement. He focuses alot more on Emma, Scott, Collossus and Kitty then he does on Beast and Logan...ANd I like Whedons Logan. Its a mix of the Claremont with a mix of the brutality of Morrisons.

Like I said it depends on who writes Logan...ever read Austens Logan? Atrocious...so was Milligans take...but thats not the point. I think one thing that needs to be done is a major depowering of his Healing Factor. Its not really Regeneration more so...I like in the Claremont days when Logan had a healing factor but he still required bed rest and such. Remember the first time he and Deathstrike when at it during Uncanny 205 and he had to require rest after his confrontation with her and the Reavers....Thats the healing Factor I like...

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 03:33 PM

No offense, but...yeah you do. You just happen to vent in the opposite way.

SEAN

Hmm...perhaps. But at this point I find the double-standard kind of amusing.

Still, my compulsion to point out the fact that it is indeed a double-standard could be viewed as venting, I suppose.

Certainly makes me feel better.;)

jmc247

04-30-2007, 03:39 PM

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 03:41 PM

http://loloracaud.free.fr/vo/wolverinev1/138.jpg

Galactus screeeeeeeeamed like a bitch.

SEAN

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 03:46 PM

Hmm...perhaps. But at this point I find the double-standard kind of amusing.

If by "amusing" you mean "it really, really gets under your skin and annoys you". ;)

And where's the double standard in people who don't like Wolverine saying they don't like Wolverine?

SEAN

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 03:46 PM

I honestly have no recollection of that comic, but that post made me laugh out loud!

Sometimes you just have to wonder what Marvel is thinking.

It's strange how most writers can "get" Spider-man or Batman, but Wolverine seems to be really tough for most of them to write well.

DrDoomX

04-30-2007, 03:50 PM

Woverine kicks ass. I was reading the other day were he can beat Magneto and Sue Storm at the same time, he can take out Silver Surfer with ease, and he even survived a fight with the Big G at a time when his jobber aura was much smaller then it is now.

http://loloracaud.free.fr/vo/wolverinev1/138.jpg

Wolverine = cosmic being

Perhaps he kicks ass, but I cannot see him facing galactic type characters in one on one fights. And because he beat Galactus does not make one an interesting character...Logan is interesting due to the depth that Claremont and several other writers gave him...though...

Not saying your opinion is any less valid, but I see this more as a Guilty Pleasure though..and might be interesting to look at...

Gene M.

04-30-2007, 03:52 PM

What the f@#$% is a "jobber aura"?

jmc247

04-30-2007, 03:52 PM

And because he beat Galactus does not make one an interesting character...

Galactus did eat the planet Wolverine was protecting, but he still did well in the fight and survived.

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 03:53 PM

What the f@#$% is a "jobber aura"?

Another one of those annoying wrestling terms that have been appropriated for comics.

SEAN

Gene M.

04-30-2007, 03:54 PM

Another one of those annoying wrestling terms that have been appropriated for comics.

SEAN
Whatever it is, it's friggin' retarded.

Beast

04-30-2007, 03:57 PM

Wolverine's so awesome that he should develop the secondary mutation of leeching off the testosterone from any male team members that he shares panel time with. :cool:

DrDoomX

04-30-2007, 03:57 PM

Galactus did eat the planet Wolverine was protecting, but he still did well in the fight and survived.

Perhaps, and that is cool. Sounds more like a fun issue then anything else. I guess you have a point, it is a bit different then him fighting Sabertooth for the 600th time or so...

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 03:58 PM

Wolverine's so awesome that he should develop the secondary mutation of leeching off the testosterone from any male team members is in contact with.

He already does this by making them all seem so weak and feeble by comparison.:D

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 04:00 PM

He already does this by making them all seem so weak and feeble by comparison.:D

Dammit, stole my joke.

SEAN

jmc247

04-30-2007, 04:02 PM

What the f@#$% is a "jobber aura"?

Characters like Galactus are jobbed to other characters to show how awsome and powerful those other characters are.

Like the Senery supposedly stalemating Galactus was an example of jobbing. Galactus getting beat by Thanos and Magus was jobbing to show how badass Thanos and Magus were. A character's jobber aura is how much the writers like to use a certain character to defeat other characters to show how powerful and badass that character is.

rwsmith

04-30-2007, 04:03 PM

Dammit, stole my joke.

SEAN

Sorry 'bout that. I'm spending way too much time on here today. Slow day at work.

It's 5pm now where I am. Time to go.:)

Gene M.

04-30-2007, 04:04 PM

Characters like Galactus are jobbed to other characters to show how awsome and powerful those other characters are.

Like the Senery supposedly stalemating Galactus was an example of jobbing. Galactus getting beat by Thanos and Magus was jobbing to show how badass Thanos and Magus were. A character's jobber aura is how much the writers like to use a certain character to defeat other characters to show how powerful and badass that character is.
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4758665&postcount=56

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 04:06 PM

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4758665&postcount=56

Awesome. I'm keeping that link to repost every time anyone mentions the word "job" without it relating to employment.

SEAN

jmc247

04-30-2007, 04:09 PM

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=4758665&postcount=56

Hey you were the one who asked.

DDM

04-30-2007, 04:57 PM

Woverine kicks ass. I was reading the other day were he can beat Magneto and Sue Storm at the same time, he can take out Silver Surfer with ease, and he even survived a fight with the Big G at a time when his jobber aura was much smaller then it is now.

http://loloracaud.free.fr/vo/wolverinev1/138.jpg

Wolverine = cosmic being

I believe this is from the Erik Larson penned Wolverine story. Erik Larson should not write Wolverine! Wolvie vs Galactus is a sad, pathetic parody. The problem is Erik Larson & his editors were writing it straight instead of using Wolvie as a joke he has become over the years.

Mikl C

04-30-2007, 05:06 PM

Wolverine did not defeat Galactus. Wolverine freaking might has well have SUMMONED galactus, let him destory a planet, scratched him with his claws which G didn't notice, then barely was rescued before the planet died. Stop exaggerating y'all.

jmc247

04-30-2007, 05:07 PM

I believe this is from the Erik Larson penned Wolverine story. Erik Larson should not write Wolverine! Wolvie vs Galactus is a sad, pathetic parody. The problem is Erik Larson & his editors were writing it straight instead of using Wolvie as a joke he has become over the years.

I am waiting for them to come out with a Wolverine vs Living Tribunal story.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/7000/6811/34619-living-tribunal_150.jpg

Phil Hunn

04-30-2007, 07:22 PM

Like the Senery supposedly stalemating Galactus was an example of jobbing.

As were Squirrel Girl's defeats of Thanos & Dr Doom. Although those were humorous and not meant to be taken seriously.

Anyway: Wolverine. Wolverine used to be a great character, back when he could be taken down by an old guy with a wooden sword, or be laid out for ages by a single cup of poisoned tea. Then writers used his healing factor as an excuse for him to survive sustained hails of gunfire and getting blowed up real good, and he started to suck. A lot.

And now it's got to the point where Wolverine is the only exponent of Real Ultimate Power in all of comics. Three modern-Wolverine facts:

1) Wolverine is a mammal.
2) Wolverine fights ALL the time.
3) The purpose of Wolverine is to flip out and kill people.

Doom68

04-30-2007, 07:37 PM

i agree, wolvie is hard to write well for most writers. half the time they make him the stupid berzerker or just stupid in general.

my favorite wolvie is the mentor/wise/mortal and in pain wolvie, the one calling kitty punkin'

some of his best fights ever were from the claremont era against shingen and deathstrike and silver samurai. we allways have the essential wolvies to look back on tho :)

Sean Whitmore

04-30-2007, 07:47 PM

I am waiting for them to come out with a Wolverine vs Living Tribunal story.

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/7000/6811/34619-living-tribunal_150.jpg

Go for the eyes, Wolvie!!!

SEAN

Brian "Vash" Ashby

04-30-2007, 07:52 PM

Well its a little different for Squirrel Girl

Not just jobbing

She wins because she can, not because a writer just wants to show how awesome X character is.

Never underestimate nutty pluck.