Who should take the lead of SHIELD after CAPs defection?

[USAgent]

My choice for this matter is my namesake... He is obviously qualified and one of the only people who can bring Cap to justice. If not USAgent then who? Who else is tactically competant to lead SHIELD, besides Fury since he is MIA. Punisher? Thor? Beta Ray Bill? Galactus? Vision? Maddox? SUPERMAN even? I am not limiting choices to the above... But the Superman thing was a joke :)

[StoneGold]

Since Cap was never leader of SHIELD, I'd say just stick with Hill. Despite having the height and weight advantage, Walker has only gotten over Cap once, when he was still Superpatriot. For that matter, he tends to have organizational leadership issues, so having him be the head of a team is probably a bad idea.

[USAgent]

Yeah but Cap did have the chance to take SHIELD but turned it down. As far as leadership issues, the only problem I have seen was when he was in Avengers West Coast is that he wasnt in charge.

[Leebenhouse]

Walker is the "next generation" of Captain America. He's bigger, stronger, and rougher, I think he was Gruenwald's reaction to the Grim and Gritty of the 80's.

And he wasn't really the leader of the West Coast team, they just let him think that. Walker is more of a soldier, not an officer. I've got enough enlisted and ROTC friends to know theres a significant difference tin the personality/intelligence required for each. I like Walker for what he is, a more ruthless Captain America.

[Haunt]

Tony Stark should take it. no one multi-tasks or keeps better intelligence than he does; at least in the Marvel U.S.

[Beast]

Tony Stark should take it. no one multi-tasks or keeps better intelligence than he does; at least in the Marvel U.S.
Plus he's more evil and manipulative than Hill, so he should be a perfect fit. ;)

But we all know that Nick Fury will regain control of SHIELD by the end of Civil War. :)

[StoneGold]

Plus he's more evil and manipulative than Hill, so he should be a perfect fit. ;)

But we all know that Nick Fury will regain control of SHIELD by the end of Civil War. :)
The way they are talking at Marvel, I think that's actually a story for after Civil War.

[Bobster777]

Plus he's more evil and manipulative than Hill, so he should be a perfect fit. ;)

But we all know that Nick Fury will regain control of SHIELD by the end of Civil War. :)
Yeah, I think this will be one of the compromises. The heroes will probably only work with the gov if Nick Fury is in place.

[StoneGold]

Except the heroes all hate Nick Fury for screwing them over in the Secret War.

[Haunt]

Plus he's more evil and manipulative than Hill, so he should be a perfect fit. ;)

But we all know that Nick Fury will regain control of SHIELD by the end of Civil War. :)


an evil man wouldn't have felt guilt after a grieving mother spit in his face or sat comtemplating whether he was doing the right thing or not. he's no boyscout, but Tony Stark has all the qualifications of a good SHIELD director. he's been running the most successful corporation in the marvel universe since his early 20s. in all that time, no enron-esque scandals. Fury's tenure has seen just how many infiltrations by Hydra and rogue SHIELD factions? Nick's too nice/reactive. Stark's a control freak. he'd have cameras all over that Helicarrier. and his organization would have access to his own tech (instead of having to beg him for it). i seriously believe that this might be the way to go; once Tony starts considering retirement. and Rogers or Carol Danvers might have a good shot at the presidency. Nick Fury could be secretary of defense.

[USAgent]

Now that I think of it Stark would be the best pick. I mean can you imagine if he put his money behind SHIELD, not to mention his technology! Think of it, an Army of Super Soldiers led by USAgent in Iron Man like Armor with Stark as the "Boss". Look out Cap.

[Beast]

Now that I think of it Stark would be the best pick. I mean can you imagine if he put his money behind SHIELD, not to mention his technology! Think of it, an Army of Super Soldiers led by USAgent in Iron Man like Armor with Stark as the "Boss". Look out Cap.
Stark would be an awful pick, especially after the bridges he's burning right now. Noone would trust him, especially when his manipulation of both sides eventually comes to light. And what money? After Diassembled he was nearly broke. The only reason the Avengers had Stark Tower was because it was already in construction at the time of Disassembled. And where are they going to get an Army of Super Soldiers from?

[USAgent]

Stark would be an awful pick, especially after the bridges he's burning right now. Noone would trust him, especially when his manipulation of both sides eventually comes to light. And what money? After Diassembled he was nearly broke. The only reason the Avengers had Stark Tower was because it was already in construction at the time of Disassembled. And where are they going to get an Army of Super Soldiers from?

Money can buy anything my friend... But throughout his "career" as a millionare he has shown he has the wits to do whatever he wants. And in the Civil War he has shown he is dedicated to this.

[Red Lotus]

Except the heroes all hate Nick Fury for screwing them over in the Secret War.

I don't know why any of the heroes would want to work for Fury after he mind wipe them. Maybe its the devil you know thing.

[Beast]

Money can buy anything my friend... But throughout his "career" as a millionare he has shown he has the wits to do whatever he wants. And in the Civil War he has shown he is dedicated to this.
What money? Did you miss the aspect of him being broke?

[USAgent]

What money? Did you miss the aspect of him being broke?

Did you miss the point about him being dedicated and his "career". Again obviously he has his mind set on what is right. And if he is so broke how the heck could he afford that 2,000 dollar suit for the funeral?!?!

Pay no attention to the tag still attached to it though.. :(

[Bobster777]

Stark would be an awful pick, especially after the bridges he's burning right now. Noone would trust him, especially when his manipulation of both sides eventually comes to light. And what money? After Diassembled he was nearly broke. The only reason the Avengers had Stark Tower was because it was already in construction at the time of Disassembled. And where are they going to get an Army of Super Soldiers from?
For sure, Tony isn't broke anymore. Considering all the armor tech he has given to the gov (the new Sentinels) and what he is doing for them during CW, I bet he got some billion dollar contracts out of that.

[DamonO]

How about one of the SHIELD Agents who have proven to be loyal and noble-hearted? Maybe Dum-Dum Dugan, or Gabe Jones, or Jimmy Woo, or Clay Quartermain. Whatever happened to that guy G.W. Bridge?

[Ultimate Scorpion]

Maybe Marvel will throw everyone off and hire a villian to take the mantle. What about good ol' Scorp/Venom or how 'bout the Vulture... Hehe..

Just Joking about the last one.

[Haunt]

Stark would be an awful pick, especially after the bridges he's burning right now. Noone would trust him, especially when his manipulation of both sides eventually comes to light. And what money? After Diassembled he was nearly broke. The only reason the Avengers had Stark Tower was because it was already in construction at the time of Disassembled. And where are they going to get an Army of Super Soldiers from?


the bridges he's burning? are you talking about Captain America? didn't he sort of run away of his own accord? from what i've seen, a lot of the top tier heroes have sided with Tony. and he hasn't manipulated any of them. so what the heck are you talking about?

[Bobster777]

the bridges he's burning? are you talking about Captain America? didn't he sort of run away of his own accord? from what i've seen, a lot of the top tier heroes have sided with Tony. and he hasn't manipulated any of them. so what the heck are you talking about?
Yeah, Tony has yet to burn anything. He has been a bit overzealous at times, but the people who are behind him, such as Reed and Henry, are firmly behind him.

[Serik]

When was Stark broke, exactly? I know he said he couldn’t afford to bankroll the Avengers or something, but how did he lose billions of dollars…?

[Bobster777]

When was Stark broke, exactly? I know he said he couldn’t afford to bankroll the Avengers or something, but how did he lose billions of dollars…?
Ha ha, yeah, good point. Probably, on a bad day, Tony still has a billion dollars lying around somewhere.

[Aztec Ace]

Now that I think of it Stark would be the best pick. I mean can you imagine if he put his money behind SHIELD, not to mention his technology! Think of it, an Army of Super Soldiers led by USAgent in Iron Man like Armor with Stark as the "Boss". Look out Cap.

Money has nothing to do with it. It's a United Nations sactioned organization and it would take Bill Gates type money to be of any affect.

[USAgent]

Money has nothing to do with it. It's a United Nations sactioned organization and it would take Bill Gates type money to be of any affect.

It seems to me, that just being able to finance his own armor and constantly upgrade it, should mean he does have Bill Gates money.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

Well Maria Hill's unquestionably still in charge, but assuming they're looking for someone to fill Cap's role, a kind of 'costumed field commander'... putting myself in their shoes, Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel) would look like a decent option. She's pro-reg, high visibility, highly-powered, and given her career she'd not be averse to serving in a military unit, taking orders from on high and giving them to those under her command. And - again, from SHIELD's point of view - there aren't any strong indications that she'd be the type to take a huge interest in the politics of SHIELD's upper echelons. Her aspirations don't seem to run towards civil leadership - she simply wants to be the best hero she can be, saving lives and pummelling bad guys. Given her existing support for registration (and, evidently, willingness to take on anti-reg heroes on that basis), provided SHIELD doesn't start asking her to blow up orphanages and fling the President's political rivals into live volcanoes, I'd say there'd be a very low probability of a repeat of Captain America's defection.

[Haunt]

Well Maria Hill's unquestionably still in charge, but assuming they're looking for someone to fill Cap's role, a kind of 'costumed field commander'... putting myself in their shoes, Carol Danvers (Ms Marvel) would look like a decent option. She's pro-reg, high visibility, highly-powered, and given her career she'd not be averse to serving in a military unit, taking orders from on high and giving them to those under her command. And - again, from SHIELD's point of view - there aren't any strong indications that she'd be the type to take a huge interest in the politics of SHIELD's upper echelons. Her aspirations don't seem to run towards civil leadership - she simply wants to be the best hero she can be, saving lives and pummelling bad guys. Given her existing support for registration (and, evidently, willingness to take on anti-reg heroes on that basis), provided SHIELD doesn't start asking her to blow up orphanages and fling the President's political rivals into live volcanoes, I'd say there'd be a very low probability of a repeat of Captain America's defection.

i guess i'm confused. when was Cap ever more than a grunt for SHIELD? i don't remember him ever leading a SHIELD unit, at least. so are we talking about filling Maria Hill's position or Captain America's? if Captain America's, then Carol would be my choice. what's important to understand is that she's an action junkie and wants to be publically recognized as a hero. that's why i didn't suggest her for the directorship. SHIELD's director has to be able to operate from the shadows and not give a darn about recognition (Nick Fury is an urban legend even amongst lower level SHIELD agents). you'll notice that Director Hill even used a Fury LMD to represent her. she enjoys being in a position of power but isn't interested in being in the field. a position like that would drive Carol nuts. it's probably why she quit on her Homeland Security job. anyways, i think Stark is the kind of guy who could fill Hill's position. he likes operating in secret (Illuminati) and using others as chess pieces.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

when was Cap ever more than a grunt for SHIELD?
Hill tapped him to lead the ASR taskforce, which isn't something you'd give to 'just a grunt'. Given the current state of affairs, whoever commanded the ASR units would be the most important player in SHIELD besides Hill herself. For reasons of morale and public image, it really should be a recognised superhero - I can't think of worse publicity than for the troops taking down anti-reg superheroes to be truly 'faceless' in the public eye, if there were no recognised figure leading them, giving them legitimacy and credibility - but it's not just a PR job, it's a critical field command, and Hill wouldn't have offered it to anyone who wasn't top of the line in her eyes.

That role is still there, and I'd say it must be filled. Tony Stark seems to be filling it at the moment, but I don't think Hill and SHIELD would be entirely happy with that - Stark's too political for them to feel comfortable with. Reed isn't a bad option, but the fact that he's got personal ties to Sue and Thing, neither of whom look happy with registration, and his involvement with behind-the-scenes projects like this 42 business, could count against him - SHIELD would want their public face to be uncomplicated. Spider-Man is too much an unknown quantity - they can't be sure which way he'll jump, no matter how Stark vouches for him, and he's not entirely the 'figurehead' they're after. And Yellowjacket, just no.

To borrow a phrase from across the street, SHIELD would want its field leader to come across to the public as someone who stands for 'truth, justice, and the American way', while not actually being likely to repeat those instances where 'the American way' has involved military revolt. Who better than Ms Marvel? She may not have the established public profile of other heroes, but look at her - strong, confident (at least in public), dazzling looks, innocent smile, practically the poster girl for kicks-ass-with-a-heart-of-gold. And to break it down simply, the fact that she's female gives her a built-in distance from the image of Captain America - they do not want to seem to be hastily replacing him, and in publicity terms, a woman stepping into his old job is less likely to evoke that idea than a man.

I like Hill, I hope she stays. At the moment she's been shown to be committed to her side's ideology, and efficient in carrying out her orders, but not a zealot or a nutcase. I'd find it disappointing if, in the later stages of CW, she turns into an outright villain so that the whole mess can be comfortably blamed on someone.

[Bobster777]

Hill tapped him to lead the ASR taskforce, which isn't something you'd give to 'just a grunt'. Given the current state of affairs, whoever commanded the ASR units would be the most important player in SHIELD besides Hill herself. For reasons of morale and public image, it really should be a recognised superhero - I can't think of worse publicity than for the troops taking down anti-reg superheroes to be truly 'faceless' in the public eye, if there were no recognised figure leading them, giving them legitimacy and credibility - but it's not just a PR job, it's a critical field command, and Hill wouldn't have offered it to anyone who wasn't top of the line in her eyes.

That role is still there, and I'd say it must be filled. Tony Stark seems to be filling it at the moment, but I don't think Hill and SHIELD would be entirely happy with that - Stark's too political for them to feel comfortable with. Reed isn't a bad option, but the fact that he's got personal ties to Sue and Thing, neither of whom look happy with registration, and his involvement with behind-the-scenes projects like this 42 business, could count against him - SHIELD would want their public face to be uncomplicated. Spider-Man is too much an unknown quantity - they can't be sure which way he'll jump, no matter how Stark vouches for him, and he's not entirely the 'figurehead' they're after. And Yellowjacket, just no.

To borrow a phrase from across the street, SHIELD would want its field leader to come across to the public as someone who stands for 'truth, justice, and the American way', while not actually being likely to repeat those instances where 'the American way' has involved military revolt. Who better than Ms Marvel? She may not have the established public profile of other heroes, but look at her - strong, confident (at least in public), dazzling looks, innocent smile, practically the poster girl for kicks-ass-with-a-heart-of-gold. And to break it down simply, the fact that she's female gives her a built-in distance from the image of Captain America - they do not want to seem to be hastily replacing him, and in publicity terms, a woman stepping into his old job is less likely to evoke that idea than a man.

I like Hill, I hope she stays. At the moment she's been shown to be committed to her side's ideology, and efficient in carrying out her orders, but not a zealot or a nutcase. I'd find it disappointing if, in the later stages of CW, she turns into an outright villain so that the whole mess can be comfortably blamed on someone.
Although she has had some successes though, she seems kind of weak as a leader. For one thing, she has no control over her subbordinates as evidenced by the dealings in the Savage Land. Also, if she has anything to do with those SHIELD agents that was talking to Osborn, then that's another strike against her. Finally, she doesn't have a great relationship with the heroes like Nick Fury did. Up until Secret War, Nick could go to just about any hero and ask them for a favor. If Nick was still in control, he probably could have smoothed everything out between the pro and anti side before it got out of hand. Basically, he just knew how to take control better. Then again, she is just starting out. May be in time, she will become more efficient.

[Haunt]

To borrow a phrase from across the street, SHIELD would want its field leader to come across to the public as someone who stands for 'truth, justice, and the American way', while not actually being likely to repeat those instances where 'the American way' has involved military revolt. Who better than Ms Marvel? She may not have the established public profile of other heroes, but look at her - strong, confident (at least in public), dazzling looks, innocent smile, practically the poster girl for kicks-ass-with-a-heart-of-gold. And to break it down simply, the fact that she's female gives her a built-in distance from the image of Captain America - they do not want to seem to be hastily replacing him, and in publicity terms, a woman stepping into his old job is less likely to evoke that idea than a man.

I like Hill, I hope she stays. At the moment she's been shown to be committed to her side's ideology, and efficient in carrying out her orders, but not a zealot or a nutcase. I'd find it disappointing if, in the later stages of CW, she turns into an outright villain so that the whole mess can be comfortably blamed on someone.

i almost get the feeling that Hill was chosen because she's easy to blame stuff on. i'm just thinking that SHIELD agents watching tv with Norman Osborn (while viewing Peter unmask himself) is a bad sign.

[Bobster777]

i almost get the feeling that Hill was chosen because she's easy to blame stuff on. i'm just thinking that SHIELD agents watching tv with Norman Osborn (while viewing Peter unmask himself) is a bad sign.
Yeah, I hated that scene. I hope Maria Hill has nothing to do with that. Maybe those SHIELD members are working with Baron Zemo.