Sabretooth's strength

[T-800]

Quick question: How strong is Sabretooth? Does anyone have any pics of him using his strength?

[The Lucky One]

This is from memory, but I don't think he has a great deal of superstrength... probably less than a ton, if that. He's stronger and faster than Wolverine, but not by massive amounts.

-D

[Loestal]

Quick question: How strong is Sabretooth? Does anyone have any pics of him using his strength?


Many of Sabretooth's physical abilities function with superhuman levels of efficiency. He possesses some degree of superhuman strength, the limits of which are unknown. Originally, Sabretooth possessed sufficient physical strength to crush an iron barbell, with ease. Sabretooth has undergone various procedures, some willingly and some unwillingly, that have increased his strength considerably beyond his original levels. Sabretooth's mutant healing factor grants him much greater immunity to the lactic acids generated by his muscles during physical activity than the musculature of an ordinary human. Hence, Sabretooth possesses superhuman stamina in all physical activities. His natural agility and reflexes are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural limits of the human body. Sabretooth's agility and reaction time are superior to those of the finest human athlete.

Taken directly from Marvel.com

I have no pictures.

[Jack]

This is from memory, but I don't think he has a great deal of superstrength... probably less than a ton, if that. He's stronger and faster than Wolverine, but not by massive amounts.

-D
How does Wolverine beat him again...? If he's bigger, stronger, faster, the same age with the same training, and otherwise has the same powers...

[The Lucky One]

How does Wolverine beat him again...? If he's bigger, stronger, faster, the same age with the same training, and otherwise has the same powers...

In recent stories? By just slashing away and hoping the writer likes him enough to give him the victory... which they almost always do. But in the old days, Logan always had to be smarter than Creed to win.

-D

[Loestal]

How does Wolverine beat him again...? If he's bigger, stronger, faster, the same age with the same training, and otherwise has the same powers...


Not with the same training, isn't as old or experienced. Plus Logan is a failed Samurai, doin Ninja stuff in Japan and for the longest time had adamantium when Sabretooth didn't. Plus he is smarter, and I don't think Sabretooth is faster...I may be wrong though.

[The Lucky One]

Plus he is smarter, and I don't think Sabretooth is faster...I may be wrong though.

You are. Sabretooth is bigger, stronger, faster, and all-around deadlier. What enables Wolverine to beat him is A) being smarter, and B) controlling the beast within. When Logan forces himself to think during a battle with Creed, he wins. In all other fights, Sabretooth should (emphasis on "should") win.

-D

[Finn]

How does Wolverine beat him again...? If he's bigger, stronger, faster, the same age with the same training, and otherwise has the same powers...

I always thought his factor was much better than Wolverines, though only due to all those times through Weapon X and other such associations.

Wolverine doesnt win though. Hes only beaten Sabretooth a handful of times (which I knew about but was exaggerating in that other thread, sorry:o ), while Sabretooth shows up on every one of Wolverines birthdays and beats him senseless.....just to show that he still CAN.

[Jack]

I always thought his factor was much better than Wolverines, though only due to all those times through Weapon X and other such associations.

Wolverine doesnt win though. Hes only beaten Sabretooth a handful of times (which I knew about but was exaggerating in that other thread, sorry:o ), while Sabretooth shows up on every one of Wolverines birthdays and beats him senseless.....just to show that he still CAN.
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[Will Moffat]

I always thought his factor was much better than Wolverines, though only due to all those times through Weapon X and other such associations.

Wolverine doesnt win though. Hes only beaten Sabretooth a handful of times (which I knew about but was exaggerating in that other thread, sorry:o ), while Sabretooth shows up on every one of Wolverines birthdays and beats him senseless.....just to show that he still CAN.

Wolverine's regen is now so uber he can be reduced to just his skeleton, then regen back to normal in minutes. I guess he must have been drinking lots of milk lately :rolleyes:

[T-800]

Many of Sabretooth's physical abilities function with superhuman levels of efficiency. He possesses some degree of superhuman strength, the limits of which are unknown. Originally, Sabretooth possessed sufficient physical strength to crush an iron barbell, with ease. Sabretooth has undergone various procedures, some willingly and some unwillingly, that have increased his strength considerably beyond his original levels. Sabretooth's mutant healing factor grants him much greater immunity to the lactic acids generated by his muscles during physical activity than the musculature of an ordinary human. Hence, Sabretooth possesses superhuman stamina in all physical activities. His natural agility and reflexes are enhanced to levels that are beyond the natural limits of the human body. Sabretooth's agility and reaction time are superior to those of the finest human athlete.

Taken directly from Marvel.com

I have no pictures.

Does anyone have any pictures of him twisting the dumbells?

[Haunt]

Does anyone have any pictures of him twisting the dumbells?

he's done it a couple times

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01501--01750/01725.jpg

here's him catching a weight
http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/06251--06500/06321.jpg

[fishtaco]

Quick question: How strong is Sabretooth? Does anyone have any pics of him using his strength?Stronger than Wolverine.

[Victor]

Technically he doesn't have any super strength. But if you think about it if you had a healing factor...and muscle grows by means of being broken down and repairing itself... you could get pretty strong. There are pro bodybuilders that can bench close to 1000lbs. And Sabretooths muscle would grow at a rate faster than a real persons. I would say a bench press of a ton would be a reasonable guess and a curl of around 500lbs do-able.

[MythicBrawn]

The only reason that Sabretooth can, arguably, beat Wolverine is because Marvel needed to give Wolverine a nemesis. Remember, Sabretooth was the guy that got beat by a non-powered Black Cat. He was fourth rate until he became tied to Wolverine. Once that happened, all of a sudden he became a real threat in the MU. In X-Men Classics, they tried to retcon it so that Sabretooth would often play these cat-and-mouse games with Wolverine, with Wolverine always coming out the loser. But yet, he gets beat by Black Cat, Iron Fist and Daredevil in his canon appearances. Marvel should retcon a powerup for Sabretooth so people can disregard his previous humiliations by lesser heroes.

[pharoahe22]

Actually guys, Wolverine IS faster than Sabretooth. Sabretooth is bigger and stronger, but Wolverine is faster and more skilled. I know I have comics that have examples of him saying this, but every time I try to think of one, I think of that time that he said it on X-men: the Animated series lol. He's said that he's faster than Sabretooth in the comics though. I'll find you guys the example when I can. :D

[Syzygy]

The only reason that Sabretooth can, arguably, beat Wolverine is because Marvel needed to give Wolverine a nemesis. Remember, Sabretooth was the guy that got beat by a non-powered Black Cat. He was fourth rate until he became tied to Wolverine. Once that happened, all of a sudden he became a real threat in the MU. In X-Men Classics, they tried to retcon it so that Sabretooth would often play these cat-and-mouse games with Wolverine, with Wolverine always coming out the loser. But yet, he gets beat by Black Cat, Iron Fist and Daredevil in his canon appearances. Marvel should retcon a powerup for Sabretooth so people can disregard his previous humiliations by lesser heroes.

Too true. And his old partner-in-crime was the Constrictor.

It would be interesting to see the two together again. Maybe he's Creed's only friend? Story material here...and desparately needed considering how boring Creed is!

Why does Wolverine win? IMO: the adamantium, bones and claws both.

Who's faster and stronger? Well, I wouldn't trust what Sabes says about himself. Supervillains love to boast. The true answer IMO: it can go either way, which is a way of saying: it depends upon the whim of the current writer!

[sbo]

I remember it being stated that sabretooth was faster and stronger than wolvierine in one of their earlier fights.
It was in the issue where he infiltrates the x mansion and beats on everyone in sight.

He must have eaten a can of popeye brand spinach in this issue, because he displays ALOT more strength than he really should have. He crushes a steel dumbell like paper, shatters a boulder the size of a car by punching Rogue through it, and beats Rogue unconscious with a few punches.
Quite a step up from getting punked by folks like black cat.

[Gnarl]

Didn't Snisters clone marauders include a clone Sabretooth?

Someone once sugested that every apperance by Sabretooth has been a clone, of various physical capacieties. the real Sabretooth is out there somewhere, old, vicious and asocial.

One thing Wolverine does have over Sabretooth is bigger claws. Each slash Logan lands should be doing massively more damage than Sabretooths inch-size ones.

[SlightlyMad]

One thing Wolverine does have over Sabretooth is bigger claws. Each slash Logan lands should be doing massively more damage than Sabretooths inch-size ones.

True, but Wolverine has further to reach to get at Sabretooth who pretty much towers over him.

Also, regarding the strength, it was augmented in the 1995 mini-series. However, I don't know how much stronger this made him (or how strong he was before) so not sure how much use that is!

Some details on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabretooth_%28comics%29#Earth_X)

[Mikl C]

Sabertooth without adamantium was on the same level as wolverine with adamantium for ages. Sabertooth with adamantium >>>> Wolverine without. Make of that what you will.

[rwsmith]

It's been stated many times that Sabretooth is larger, faster and stronger than Wolverine. The only advantage that Logan has over Sabretooth is his intelligence (which is higher than Creed's) and his adamantium skeleton.

[pharoahe22]

It's been stated many times that Sabretooth is larger, faster and stronger than Wolverine. The only advantage that Logan has over Sabretooth is his intelligence (which is higher than Creed's) and his adamantium skeleton.


Well I know for a fact that with my own two eyes I saw Wolverine say he was faster than Sabretooth. I think that the difference in Wolverine and Sabretooth's strength and speed hasn't been written consistantly, because I have seen it where it has said that Sabretooth was faster, but that was more in the beginning of their feud. I think I've seen it stated that Wolverine was faster more recently. I think it really depends on the writer lol. The way I always looked at it, Wolverine was always faster, but not by leaps and bounds, and Sabretooth was always stronger, but not by leaps and bounds, because Wolverine has some level of augmented strength too. I think it was said that he could lift 800+ lbs or something. I'll check.

[pharoahe22]

Oh and I just remembered this, it was said recently that Wolverine was faster than Elektra, and I know Sabretooth couldn't possibly be faster than Elektra, so I do think Wolverine's faster...It's hard to say though, cause Sabretooth has never fought Elektra to my knowledge.

[DDM]

The only reason that Sabretooth can, arguably, beat Wolverine is because Marvel needed to give Wolverine a nemesis. Remember, Sabretooth was the guy that got beat by a non-powered Black Cat. He was fourth rate until he became tied to Wolverine. Once that happened, all of a sudden he became a real threat in the MU. In X-Men Classics, they tried to retcon it so that Sabretooth would often play these cat-and-mouse games with Wolverine, with Wolverine always coming out the loser. But yet, he gets beat by Black Cat, Iron Fist and Daredevil in his canon appearances. Marvel should retcon a powerup for Sabretooth so people can disregard his previous humiliations by lesser heroes.

Chris Claremont planned to have Sabretooth's other appearances such as when he was beaten by the Black Cat was to be explained as multiple clones. Sabretooth's first appearance in Iron Fist #14 would be the real Sabretooth, but his other appearances would be a result of clones created by Mister Sinister. Like all Marauders, the real Marauders would be in suspended animation--including Sabretooth--while the clones did Sinister's bidding. If any Marauder were to die, Sinister would decant a new clone from the original Marauder.

The only exception is Malice, a psychic entity, who may have her origin somewhere tied to bothe Lorna Dane (Polaris) & Zaladane. But Sinister may have a hand in all three creation to some extent...

[Boy of Steel]

Sorry to go a little off topic, but what recent comic has Logan's healing factor become extremely powerful?

Thanks

[DDM]

Sorry to go a little off topic, but what recent comic has Logan's healing factor become extremely powerful?

Thanks

It began in the early 90's with Wolverine, Uncanny X-Men & X-Men after Chris Claremont left the X-Men books.

[Boy of Steel]

Ok, i'll have to check some out. Oh and DDM thanks for the super quick reply

[fishtaco]

Ok, i'll have to check some out. Oh and DDM thanks for the super quick replyI reccomend (and I'm sure DDM would too) that you first read Uncanny X-Men #'s 251-253, 257-258, 261, 268, 273-275, Annual 14 (2nd story), and then X-Men (2nd Series) 4-7.

Invincible Wolverine = boring ;)

[Cyke]

I think Iron Fist beating Sabretooth is plausible. After all, the Iron Fist technique can damage Iron Man, and Rand can augment is natural abilities to superhuman levels.

[The Lucky One]

Didn't Snisters clone marauders include a clone Sabretooth?

Someone once sugested that every apperance by Sabretooth has been a clone, of various physical capacieties. the real Sabretooth is out there somewhere, old, vicious and asocial.

Exactly. Claremont has said in interviews that at one point he had it in his mind that nearly EVERY appearance of Sabretooth, except perhaps the Classic X-Men backup story, has been an inferior clone of Sinister's; and that the real Sabretooth was out there somewhere, quite content to stay in the background until he really wanted to stir some crap up.

Who's faster and stronger? Well, I wouldn't trust what Sabes says about himself. Supervillains love to boast. The true answer IMO: it can go either way, which is a way of saying: it depends upon the whim of the current writer!

That, at least, is entirely true- it depends on the writer, and it depends on what writer the particular reader prefers. Me personally, I see Claremont as the definitive X-Men writer and in particular THE definitive Wolverine writer, bar none. Claremont has said that in his mind, Sabretooth is both faster and stronger (and heals quicker) than Wolverine, and that the only way Wolverine can win a fight with him is by being smarter. Therefore, that is how I will always see the character. If there are other instances of someone saying Wolverine is faster, hey, that's cool; but I doubt they're by Claremont, so I personally will take them with a grain of salt. However, that varies by individual fans, as it should.

-D

[Cthulhudrew]

Too true. And his old partner-in-crime was the Constrictor.

It would be interesting to see the two together again. Maybe he's Creed's only friend? Story material here...and desparately needed considering how boring Creed is!

The last time Creed and Schlichting (the Constrictor) met up, Sabretooth was trying to kill his old partner. This was in a (truly horrid) Marvel Comics Presents, featuring Luke Cage and Iron Fist (Sabe's original sparring partners). It was during the period when Creed was still under the control of the CSA, and had that inhibitor collar on his neck (at the end of the story, the inhibitor collar had been shattered and Creed had gotten away).

As far as age and experience, Creed is at least as old as Logan, and likely older. The two of them were established by Claremont to have known each other waaay back in early part of the 20th century, and it was heavily implied that Creed was Logan's dad. Larry Hama's Weapon X implants did away with the father/son theory (a SHIELD dna test revealed they were unrelated), though the two seemed to have found the idea plausible enough up until then. The memory implants may also be used to explain their supposed "history" together, except that the existence of the cabin that Logan and Silver Fox shared together seems to indicate that that part of the memories are also true.

Sabretooth otherwise appears to have had the same sort of espionage training that Logan does, and I forget offhand if it was stated outright, but it was at least implied that Sabretooth had trained with the Foreigner at one point.

Personally, I think it would be interesting for Marvel to do a comic featuring all the former government agents that have gone rogue/turned to villainy- Sabretooth, Constrictor, Bullseye, Jack O' Lantern, Crossfire, Bushwhacker. Someone in the government really dropped the ball when recruiting these guys.

[Syzygy]

Chris Claremont planned to have Sabretooth's other appearances such as when he was beaten by the Black Cat was to be explained as multiple clones. Sabretooth's first appearance in Iron Fist #14 would be the real Sabretooth, but his other appearances would be a result of clones created by Mister Sinister. Like all Marauders, the real Marauders would be in suspended animation--including Sabretooth--while the clones did Sinister's bidding. If any Marauder were to die, Sinister would decant a new clone from the original Marauder.

The only exception is Malice, a psychic entity, who may have her origin somewhere tied to bothe Lorna Dane (Polaris) & Zaladane. But Sinister may have a hand in all three creation to some extent...

Does this information come from an actual issue, or just more "Claremont rumors/talk" on the net? Cause until it's published, it's not cannon, no matter who says it.

My assumption was that Sinister actually [I]transferred[I] the personalities/essences of his Marauders into new clones when they died (like Malestrom and Arnim Zola). This would also be true of Sinister himself, such as when Domina killed him...repeatedly.

[DDM]

Does this information come from an actual issue, or just more "Claremont rumors/talk" on the net? Cause until it's published, it's not cannon, no matter who says it.

My assumption was that Sinister actually [I]transferred[I] the personalities/essences of his Marauders into new clones when they died (like Malestrom and Arnim Zola). This would also be true of Sinister himself, such as when Domina killed him...repeatedly.

It's not canon. However, you can see where Claremont was going when dead Marauders returned in Uncanny X-Men #240-241 such as Riptide (killed by Colossus), Blockbuster (killed by Thor), & Prism (killed by Marvel Girl). Claremont intended all the real Marauders to be victims of Mister Sinister as he placed them in suspended animation so he could have an infinite amount of Marauders as he needed.

[Jennifer de Vries]

Sabretooth was strong enough to knock Rogue out in two or three punches, and break her arm. Happened during the Mutant Massacre. Rogue took a full punch from the Juggernaut without being hurt at all five issues later.

Take that as you like. :p

[pharoahe22]

The last time Creed and Schlichting (the Constrictor) met up, Sabretooth was trying to kill his old partner. This was in a (truly horrid) Marvel Comics Presents, featuring Luke Cage and Iron Fist (Sabe's original sparring partners). It was during the period when Creed was still under the control of the CSA, and had that inhibitor collar on his neck (at the end of the story, the inhibitor collar had been shattered and Creed had gotten away).

As far as age and experience, Creed is at least as old as Logan, and likely older. The two of them were established by Claremont to have known each other waaay back in early part of the 20th century, and it was heavily implied that Creed was Logan's dad. Larry Hama's Weapon X implants did away with the father/son theory (a SHIELD dna test revealed they were unrelated), though the two seemed to have found the idea plausible enough up until then. The memory implants may also be used to explain their supposed "history" together, except that the existence of the cabin that Logan and Silver Fox shared together seems to indicate that that part of the memories are also true.

Sabretooth otherwise appears to have had the same sort of espionage training that Logan does, and I forget offhand if it was stated outright, but it was at least implied that Sabretooth had trained with the Foreigner at one point.

Personally, I think it would be interesting for Marvel to do a comic featuring all the former government agents that have gone rogue/turned to villainy- Sabretooth, Constrictor, Bullseye, Jack O' Lantern, Crossfire, Bushwhacker. Someone in the government really dropped the ball when recruiting these guys.


As far as experience goes with Wolverine and Sabretooth, Sabretooth had Weapon X training, and he was on Team X with Wolverine, so Sabretooth HAS had extensive training, but he's not on Wolverine's level as far as skill and technique. Wolverine was a member of the Canadian Army, he had Weapon X/Team X training, he's had extensive samurai training, Ninja training, and not to mention all the training he's had during his stay with the X-men. It's been stated that Wolverine is a master of nearly every form of armed and un-armed combat known to man. The only people really on Wolverine's level in h2h are Captain America, Deadpool, and that's where the list starts getting slim. Wolverine skill is on a much higher level. Sabretooth is said to have a mastery of at least one form of martial arts/h2h fighting though. The reason why their battles are always so close is because Sabretooth makes up for the loss of skill with ferocity and strength. I read in the Wolverine special by Wizard though that Wolverine was 18-4 against Sabretooth at that point...but since then, it's been 2-2, so Wolverine's record against Sabretooth is 22-6, which is pretty convincing, as was the last time they battled. The X-men asked Wolverine where Sabretooth was, to which he replied "Sort of spread out around here and there"...and he opened his hand revealing a handful of Sabretooth's teeth. What I really wanna see is Wolverine's reaction to Sabretooth on the X-men. I wonder how they'll work together when they have to, because I liked their interaction in Age of Apocalypse...although that Sabretooth is a bit more noble. Does anyone know if Mike Carey has given his reason for Sabretooth joining the X-men yet?

[steve2275]

True, but Wolverine has further to reach to get at Sabretooth who pretty much towers over him.
not for a claw to the nuts:)