Whatever Happened to Access?

[DoctorDoom]

He appeared in 2 minis and an issue of Green Lantern.

Now I know he came out of the Marvel vs DC mini, and we all know that didn;t count.

However, He did appear in that canon issue of Green Lantern. So what does that mean? Also references were made to him by Impossible Man (in Superman/Silver Surfer) and Superman (Superman Fantastic Four) but these really don;t count either I think.

Thus asks Doom

[Expletive Deleted]

Since he's co-owned by both companies, he's really only useful in Marvel/DC crossovers. And since they haven't been doing a lot of those lately . . .

[Ivan Isaacs]

I'd file him under "legal headaches". :(

[dingo]

I would probably put him under glass with "In case of falling profits break glass" written on it.

[DoctorDoom]

I guess technically he doesnt exist since Marvel vs DC never happened (despite cameoing in Green Lantern)..

This is why DC and Marvel should never co-own a character and/or put him into continuity. It just bites em in the ass.

[DMike]

A shame Busiek didn't give him a cameo in Avengers/JLA.

[Soundrave]

I guess technically he doesnt exist since Marvel vs DC never happened (despite cameoing in Green Lantern)..

This is why DC and Marvel should never co-own a character and/or put him into continuity. It just bites em in the ass.

There's nothing that says DC Vs. Marvel never happened.

[Lonewalker]

I'd file him under "legal headaches". :(

Good one...

[marshal99]

A shame Busiek didn't give him a cameo in Avengers/JLA.

Busiek doesn't want to use him if i recall correctly.

[Alan2099]

He was also mentioned (although didn't appear) in the Fantastic Four/Superman crossover.

[DoctorDoom]

There's nothing that says DC Vs. Marvel never happened.
yea but then how would you explain in JLA/Avengers the treams not recognizing each other. Some of those heroes fought each other/side by side before. Plus the whole concept of the Brothers...Believe me it never happened as far as continuity is concerned.

[Alan2099]

Actually in the comics after Access leaves people alone, they tend to forget the crossovers ever happened. It's built into his powers.

[Golon9977]

he had two minis. i really liked this character. hopefully they'll bring him back with another amalgam series

[Tre Styles]

Well he was split into two entities. In the DC Universe he became Superboy Prime and in the Marvel Universe he became Layla Millar.

...well no, that's not what actually happened. ;)

Actually, I think he was just created for that one crossover as the plot device so the two universes could cross over. Same as Rift was for the DC/Milestone crossover years back.

[Captain Smith]

Access was denied.

The last crossovers were crappy that were based on the Access story line. The authors had to go through terrible convolutions to avoid power differentials. The X-men gave the JLA a hard time (right).

Dr. Strangefate was a combo of Fate and Strange and when Access freed Strange, he just nailed him easily.

The Amalgam universe is supposed still around in Access' navel, IIRC. Another pocket universe. Might be fun for the Amalgam's to get out and meet Superboy Prime?

[Soundrave]

yea but then how would you explain in JLA/Avengers the treams not recognizing each other. Some of those heroes fought each other/side by side before. Plus the whole concept of the Brothers...Believe me it never happened as far as continuity is concerned.

The DC and Marvel characters hardly ever recognize each other after these inter-company crossovers. It's one of the side-effects of universe-jumping. It's only on a rare occasion when they do remember some of the details of their transuniverseal escapades (like when they remembered the Cosmic Egg in Busiek's JLA run).

Believe me, many people asked Busiek about the continuity status of Access and the Brothers when JLA/Avengers was being published. He said that DC and Marvel wanted to leave out those complications and focus on the interaction between the two teams, but that there was nothing to negate the existence of the Brothers and Access. Just because they didn't poke their heads into a panel and say "Hi, we're the Brothers" doesn't mean they were wiped from continuity.

It's always funny to me when fans make these subjective statements about continuity as if they were fact. What's to stop Busiek (other than DC's hatred for Joe Q.) from writing a Marvel/DC crossover next year where Access and the Brothers do show up and explain where they were during JLA/Avengers? Continuity is a fluid thing.

[pharoahe22]

Access was denied.

The last crossovers were crappy that were based on the Access story line. The authors had to go through terrible convolutions to avoid power differentials. The X-men gave the JLA a hard time (right).

Dr. Strangefate was a combo of Fate and Strange and when Access freed Strange, he just nailed him easily.

The Amalgam universe is supposed still around in Access' navel, IIRC. Another pocket universe. Might be fun for the Amalgam's to get out and meet Superboy Prime?


I actually don't think the X-men giving the JLA a hard time was that far-fetched. The thing was, the X-men team that faced the JLA was pretty random, with Cannonball and Jubilee. Actuality, if the battles happened like this, I can see it going either way:

Superman vs. Phoenix: telepathy and telekinesis could give Supes problems...It could go either way.
Batman vs. Wolverine: (they match up well skill-wise, but Wolverine's way tougher...Wolverine wins this IMHO, unless Batman has been planning for it, which he wouldn't be in this case)
Wonder Woman vs. Storm: It's been shown that WW has problems with electricity, as does Supes. It could go either way.
Green Lantern vs. Iceman: (but Iceman would have to be on his game big time...if Iceman fights to his full-potential, this could be a real fight. GL would prolly still pull it out though)
Flash vs. Nightcrawler: (Interesting fight, like Void vs. the Flash was, but Nightcrawler's a more skilled fighter...I still think Flash would win though)
Aquaman vs. Colossus: (Unless Aquaman comes up with some crazy tricks with that water hand, he's going down big time lol)
Martian Manhunter vs. Cable: ( I was trying to think of a good match-up for MM...Cable was just the first that came to mind lol)

Anyways, I liked a couple of the characters from Almagam...Dark Claw was really cool...great costume. Supersoldier's costume was pretty unoriginal, but the character was alright. I liked Speed Demon. The Bullets and Bracelets book was pretty interesting too. Some of the characters were kinda dumb-looking (and acting), but I think something really cool could be done with Access and these characters. Some of em would need costume changes...and the book would have to be dark...it would have to stay far away from the campy stuff that happened in those two Access minis. I actually have a couple of ideas with Access that could be really cool.

Changing points, what's weird is, some characters recognize each other every time, like Spider-man and Batman, and other's don't. And it was funny, cause in the two Spider-man/Batman books, there was no inter-dimensional travel...it was like they just walked into the next town lol. Also, Batman had files on his comp about Marvel characters, which was crazy. I don't knoOh, and remember when the Avengers contacted the Justice League, and teleported them to the 616 with that machine? It would be crazy if the New Avengers contacted the JLA for help with that machine, and the JLA appeared in the regular title, like Invincible did in Marvel Team -Up. It'll never happen as long as Quesada's in office though. It's a shame, cause there are so many GOOD crossovers that could be done. If I was head honcho, I'd make a proposal to DC to start some craziness. I would start having random characters pop into the others universes, like have Wolverine pop up into JSA, and have Superman pop up in Cable/Deadpool....Really crazy stuff like that, that would drive fans crazy, and have all the appearances add up to some mystery or great threat, that would form a main book; a mini series bigger than IC and CW combined, and have it all be in continuity. And from all this, have tie-in books, like this...What about:

Wolverine/Batman: with a cover by Gabrielle Del Otto, interior art by Jim Lee, with Michael Turner doing some extra splash pages of art in the back, and the story by Grant Morrison and Marc Guggenheim?

Young Avengers/Teen Titans: by Allan Heinberg, Geoff Johns, and Cheung?

Thor/Superman: by Michael Oeming and Walt Simonson, with art by Divito, and guest appearances by Orion, Lobo, Beta Ray Bill, and the Sentry? People would lose their minds!!! hahaha

New Avengers/JLA: by BMB and Brad Meltzer, with suprise guest artist, Marc Silvestri...cover by Michael Turner, extra art by George Perez, David Finch, and the new artist on JLA...can't remember his name, but I like him.

X-MEN/Outisders: By Ed Brubaker and (I forget the Outsiders writers name...Art by Billy Tan...who has impressed me as of late...special guest-appearances by the JLA/New Avengers.

Just really crazy stuff like that. it would make a lot of money for both companies, and would send fans into a frenzy. Just my random thoughts. They could do something crazy like that, and tie it all into Access, and make the character worth something. Oh, and give the Brothers a make-over...make em look like old gods instead of Sock-em boppers lol...and have it all in continuity!!!!

[DoctorDoom]

The DC and Marvel characters hardly ever recognize each other after these inter-company crossovers. It's one of the side-effects of universe-jumping. It's only on a rare occasion when they do remember some of the details of their transuniverseal escapades (like when they remembered the Cosmic Egg in Busiek's JLA run).

Believe me, many people asked Busiek about the continuity status of Access and the Brothers when JLA/Avengers was being published. He said that DC and Marvel wanted to leave out those complications and focus on the interaction between the two teams, but that there was nothing to negate the existence of the Brothers and Access. Just because they didn't poke their heads into a panel and say "Hi, we're the Brothers" doesn't mean they were wiped from continuity.

It's always funny to me when fans make these subjective statements about continuity as if they were fact. What's to stop Busiek (other than DC's hatred for Joe Q.) from writing a Marvel/DC crossover next year where Access and the Brothers do show up and explain where they were during JLA/Avengers? Continuity is a fluid thing.
Sorry to sound subjective. Didn't mean to come across that way.

Thus Doom Apologizes

Wait ..Doom doesnt EVER admit mistakes....It's a doombot

*explodes*