Avengers League: da noble savage v. unkiedev

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next match of the Avengers League! If you haven't been following the league, it is a large scale series of battles where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place on an empty battlefield, 100 yards away, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (therefore, no Iron Spidey or Extremis Iron Man), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

!!! - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

da noble savage's team: Maelstrom, Captain Marvel II (Monica), The Collector, Arkon, Human Torch, Doorman

unkiedev's team: Dr. Doom, Sauron, Starfox, Living Laser, Venus, Grim Reaper, Wrecker, Mr. Immortal

[Jessica Drew]

da noble savage's strategy:

Ok at the exact start of the match Maelstrom does two things one freeze all kintic energy in doom's body and two put up a forcefeild around the opposeing team.
-If anybody manged to get out of the force feild before it was put up then Monica and Human torch well deal with them. Monica well be light energy so she should be faster then anybody on the feild even Liveing Laser. If liveing laser is among the one's there where able to get out before the force feild goes up then monic fly's at him at light speed then just before slaming into him convert's to laser energy absorb's and shunt's his energy the same way she did with liveing ligthing. If nobody get's out before maelstrom put's up the force feild then everbody goes directly into there plan's. Also if venus or starfox get out then only monica and human torch well deal with them and only from a distance anybody that has long range attack well try to help but manly keep them at a distance so there powers won't effect them.
-Ok after the force feild is up and after anybody that got out before it went up are dealt with. Akron well create a portal 80 ft. above the force feild. The human torch well fly through the portal and use he's mastery of heat energy to constanly lower and raise the body temp. of the opposeing team switching them from extreme hypothymia and dihdration. Makeing it very hard for them to concentrate and do anything effectvly. Once Human torch has the opposeing team off balnce Akron well create another gateway directly inside the force feild, but the other end of opening shall be some distance away from him and my opposeing team as soon as the portal is open Maelstrom well shoot the most powerfull blast of plasma energy he can into the opening then, monica shall fly in directly behind the blast as laser energy that match's liveing laser she well then slam into him absorb his energy into her self then shunt, just as she did with livieng lightning by converting to a light energy she well do all of these while still makeing sure to keep moveing,once she is light enegy she well zip back through the gateway as fast as she can and akron shall close it as soon as she is through. Now after the blast Maelstrom did the only one left alive inside the force feild should be the steal frozen dr. doom. If anybody else survied the intial blast then akron well create another gateway let maelstrom blast inside it then close it as soon as the blast goes through, they well both contuine to do this until there is noone left inside but dr. doom. Once that's done Akron shall create another gateway and him and Doorman shall step through as soon as they are inside akron well close the gateway. And now doorman shall prove usefull for once, doorman shall stand in front of the still frozen dr. doom and activate his power there by allowing akron to reach through him and pull dr. doom through his armor, once doom is out of his armor akron shall precide to use his super strength to beat the snot out of the uptiy doom until he is k.o.ed.

[Jessica Drew]

unkiedev's strategy:

DOOM realizes you fear him. This is why you continue to vote against DOOM. DOOM understands, but asks that you understand this: YOU are as GNATS to DOOM! DOOM gives you all this FINAL chance to vote for DOOM. If you fail here there will be no place to hide: Should you go to China there will be a DOOMBOT hiding in a bowl of Rice to pop a "cap" in your "ass."

Let us Begin:

The Living Laser Will make himself BLINDING light and surround VENUS and Mr. IMMORTAL. No one may look upon the Goddessor Mr. I, Nor try to attack them, without being BLINDED or shot by L.L. If Maelstrom tries to "Slow the LASER's kinetic whatever" the Laser will simply dodge at the speed of light. LIGHT has very little kinetic energy.

VENUS, Mr. Immortal and LASER stride across the field to Maelstrom. He shall no doubt have some RIDICULOUS shield up. Mr. Immortal will tell Doorman to stand down. ALL must remain in character, and Mr. Immortal is the leader of the Great Lakes Avengers. DOORMAN will heed the call of his master. Mr. I will then ask DOORMAN to create a Door into MAELSTROM's shield.

Consistent with 100% of Maelstrom's appearance with Mr. Immortal, Mr. Immortal has won. Put Mr. I and Maelstrom together again and it will be GLA#4 all over again! In GLA #4 Mr. Immortal and Maelstrom discussed being lonely in the universe. Mr. I suggests suicide and Maelstrom give in to Death. If you all feel "Lightning does not strike twice" (Which it DOES) then Venus shall work her magic on Maelstrom and give him a simple command: Defeat his own team!

EITHER WAY Doom has Maelstrom and Doorman down. NOW for the others.

The Wrecker shall take on Collector. The Collector does one thing: COLLECTS weapons. He will want the Wrecker's Enchanted Crowbar. The Wrecker shall OFFER it to him: UNTHINKABLE! The Greedy Collector will accept, without realizing that the Wrecker can CONTROL the minds of those who try to possess his crowbar. Marveldirectory.com has this to say about the collector: "He has no special superhuman physical or mental abilities. The Collector is more interested in acquiring physical objects of power rather than developing powers of his own." He will fall easy pray to the Wrecker's mind control via the Crowbar. The Wrecker's command? "Defeat Your own team!"

The Grim Reaper shall summon an army of ZOMBIE! This is to occupy Arkon, who might teleport in to fight with DOOM or the Wrecker. Yes, Arkon is a formidable warrior, but so is DOOM. DOOM, the Reaper and the Zombies shall overcome Arkon.

STARFOX shall fly off to engage Captain Marvel. She will have rage and intent to harm, but STARFOX shall intercept her and LITERALLY charm the pants off of her. She and Eros shall retreat to this great little bistro on Titan to engage in some adult situations, if the rest of her team don't take her out first.

This Leaves Sauron to tackle the Human Torch. Sauron CANNOT outfly Johnny Storm, but he CAN use his hypnotic eyes to put the Whammy on Mr. Storm. That twerp won't see what's coming. So…

That's everybody. DOOM hears some maggot complain: "But DOOM, what if DA Noble Savage goes on crazy distance weapon attack?" BAH! Then The Wrecker shall teleport the team behind Savage's defenses and bring "it." "But DOOM, what if they gang up on any one member of the Unthinkables? SAURON and STARFOX are both skilled fliers with the ability to warp minds and make friends. We fear no attack.

Your choice is clear: Vote for DOOM or suffer the horrible consequences. Long live DOOM.

[unkiedev]

HA! A strong opening, Da Noble Savage. DOOM must point out a few facts before fools flush their votes down Savage's swirling commode of a strategy:

A) DOOM pointed out his backup plan: The Wrecker teleports the team behind Maelstrom. Maelstrom shall make his little force field, trying to trap the Unthinkables...but you cannot trap what is RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

B) So Cpt. Marvel is as fast as the Living Laser. DOOM says "Big Whoopdee-doo!" The Laser is doing his blinding everybody thing, not running around like some hopped-up doofus! DOOM points and laughs at Monica Rambeau. HA HA HA!

C) Captain Marvel's plan to defeat the Living Laser is to turn into some type of energy force or something, "Just like she did with the Living Lightning." Lighting is different from a Laser. DOOM knows, as the Laser told him. The Laser also told DOOM that Da Noble Savage's plan won't work.

D) DOOM shall crush you all.

[venuscameback]

Tricky call to make - does Maelstrom put the field up before or after attacking Doom? If after, then maybe Venus, Mr I and Doorman have time to move before the field goes up. If they do & Monica approaches them, can Venus control an energy being? I don't see why not, she has a mind to think afterall so there's some cognitive process going on. but it's possible that her energy forms by their energy nature disrupt mind-altering attacks.

If Unkiedev's team can do these two things then the match is probably his. and I love his creative use of characters, which immediately makes me favour him.

DNS tries creative with the combo or Arkon & Human Torch but i'm really not sure Jim Hammond can do those kind of temperature control stunts, I think he's more your average fly and fireball guy, and even if he can it's going to take time to raise and lower the temperature sufficient to seriously affect the opposition.

So I'm leaning towards Unkiedev but want to give both players chance to respond to those first two ifs

[venuscameback]

I love The Wrecker giving The Collector his crowbar, genius move, but can he really teleport and teleport others? That's new to me.

Edit: and Sauron's not fighting johnny Storm, he's fighting the android Jim Hammond. Hypnosis ain't gonna work on him

[da noble savage]

Tricky call to make - does Maelstrom put the field up before or after attacking Doom? If after, then maybe Venus, Mr I and Doorman have time to move before the field goes up. If they do & Monica approaches them, can Venus control an energy being? I don't see why not, she has a mind to think afterall so there's some cognitive process going on. but it's possible that her energy forms by their energy nature disrupt mind-altering attacks.

If Unkiedev's team can do these two things then the match is probably his. and I love his creative use of characters, which immediately makes me favour him.

DNS tries creative with the combo or Arkon & Human Torch but i'm really not sure Jim Hammond can do those kind of temperature control stunts, I think he's more your average fly and fireball guy, and even if he can it's going to take time to raise and lower the temperature sufficient to seriously affect the opposition.

So I'm leaning towards Unkiedev but want to give both players chance to respond to those first two ifs

he does his attack on doom and the force feild at the exact same time.

Also yes the human torch can do the temp. stunts it's simply a mater of him absorbing heat energy from them and then giveing it back it's how he flame's on in the first place altough the reason he can do it is a faulty desion flaw that his creator never intented. check his pro. he can also make flame construct's but he has to be constantly concentrateing on it so he's not just a fly boy he's actally alot more verstale then I thought he was, even duh I thought he was the second torch after doing some reasearch on him I've come to like him. Also monica well be attacking venus from a distance if they get out of a forcefeild so her power's shouldn't come into play.

[Nightcrawler]

I'm leaning towards unkiedev, but I don't think the Mr. Immortal command of Doorman would work. Past teams aren't as important as the current ones.

I also doubt the temp. change on DNS's side.

[da noble savage]

I love The Wrecker giving The Collector his crowbar, genius move, but can he really teleport and teleport others? That's new to me.

Edit: and Sauron's not fighting johnny Storm, he's fighting the android Jim Hammond. Hypnosis ain't gonna work on him

ya since when can the wrecker tele. I didn't know he could do that too.:eek:

[da noble savage]

I'm leaning towards unkiedev, but I don't think the Mr. Immortal command of Doorman would work. Past teams aren't as important as the current ones.

I also doubt the temp. change on DNS's side.

ok let's clear this up here is a excerpt for the human torch I from the marvel directory.

" Real Name: The Human Torch
Occupation: Adventurer
Identity: The general public is unaware that the original Human Torch also used the identity of Jim Hammond.
Legal Status: Unrevealed
Other Aliases: Jim Hammond
Place of Creation: Brooklyn, New York
Marital Status: Single (if applicable)
Known Relatives: None (if applicable)
Group Affiliation: Former partner of Toro, former member of the Invaders and the All Winners Squad, current member of the West Coast Avengers Base of Operations: now unknown, formerly New York City and (during much of World War II) London, formerly Avengers Compound, Malibu, California
First Appearance: MARVEL COMICS #1
First modern appearance: FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #4


Known Superhuman Powers: The original Human Torch possesses the mental ability to control ambient heat energy and the physical ability to envelop his entire body or portions of his body with fiery plasma without harm to himself. (Plasma is a super-heated stated of matter such as exists in the atmosphere of stars.)

The Human Torch has the ability to mentally control the ambient heat energy within his immediate environment, even when he himself is not aflame. He can reduce objects' temperatures (if they are in a normal range for existing on Earth's surface) to about 30 F, raise them to several hundred degrees, or extinguish open flames. His radius of influence is about 80 feet. The heat energy he takes from the environment is absorbed into his own body. If he takes in a critical amount while he is not aflame, he will become aflame. There are unknown limits to the amount of flame he can absorb into his own body harmlessly while he is himself aflame."

also in new invaders he was able to chanell the heat energy of spitfire so that she wouldn't overload,also I belive IIRC he has done something similar to namor in one of there fight's but he was heating up the heat energy in him to remove any mosutire he had in him that was amping him. Now that one I'm not quite sure about but the new invaders thing I read myself in my local comic shop.

[unkiedev]

BAH! More annoyance! Again go to Marveldirectory.com and see for yourself that the Wrecker can teleport.

NOW, Venuscameback, You have questions as to whether Venus can use her powers on energy beings. DOOM is in possession of a rare copy of VENUS #5 where she does JUST THAT against a time traveling Captain Marvel II. OBSERVE:
http://home.jtan.com/~michael/dco104.jpg
DOOM has never posted a jpg before, so bear with DOOM. IF the file loads you can see DOOMS point clearly illustrated...DOOM was suprised as any to see that Garfield was there, but no matter.:evilangry.

[da noble savage]

BAH! More annoyance! Again go to Marveldirectory.com and see for yourself that the Wrecker can teleport.

NOW, Venuscameback, You have questions as to whether Venus can use her powers on energy beings. DOOM is in possession of a rare copy of VENUS #5 where she does JUST THAT against a time traveling Captain Marvel II. OBSERVE:
http://home.jtan.com/~michael/dco104.jpg
DOOM has never posted a jpg before, so bear with DOOM. IF the file loads you can see DOOMS point clearly illustrated...DOOM was suprised as any to see that Garfield was there, but no matter.:evilangry.

man doom is one the worst artist ever. lol nice work duh I was almost tempted to vote for u.

[venuscameback]

NOW, Venuscameback, You have questions as to whether Venus can use her powers on energy beings. DOOM is in possession of a rare copy of VENUS #5 where she does JUST THAT against a time traveling Captain Marvel II. OBSERVE:
http://home.jtan.com/~michael/dco104.jpg
DOOM has never posted a jpg before, so bear with DOOM. IF the file loads you can see DOOMS point clearly illustrated...DOOM was suprised as any to see that Garfield was there, but no matter.:evilangry.

I am sorely tempted to vote you based on the above picture alone, easily the funniest defence I've ever seen in one of these tournys

BAH! More annoyance! Again go to Marveldirectory.com and see for yourself that the Wrecker can teleport.

I went, it says this:

After first gaining his superhuman powers, the Wrecker was able to teleport individuals to Asgard from Earth and to create waves of force about him that could deflect bullets. It is not known whether the Wrecker is still capable of these feats.

So we know he can only teleport from Asgard to Earth, not Earth to Asgard or anywhere else, and he only did this in his first appearances. I've never seen him do it & doubt this meets the majority of appearances rule.

[venuscameback]

I'm leaning towards unkiedev, but I don't think the Mr. Immortal command of Doorman would work. Past teams aren't as important as the current ones.

I also doubt the temp. change on DNS's side.

I forgot they were on different teams, stupidly, that being the reason Unkiedev has Doorman ordered to that in the first place. No Doorman ain't gonna co-operate in this scenario, unless psychically manipulated.

DNS, thanks for the info on Jim Hammond, that helps a lot. I think there's still a problem with how long it would take to make it happen but I'm happy that he can do this now, which is cool

[Dark Soul # 7]

I'm iffy about who to vote for because of that teleportation thing.
I need more proof than it just being said on Marveldirectory.com to believe it.

[da noble savage]

I forgot they were on different teams, stupidly, that being the reason Unkiedev has Doorman ordered to that in the first place. No Doorman ain't gonna co-operate in this scenario, unless psychically manipulated.

DNS, thanks for the info on Jim Hammond, that helps a lot. I think there's still a problem with how long it would take to make it happen but I'm happy that he can do this now, which is cool

the thing is due even if it does take a while with to be honest I don't think it can because he had to chanell all of spitfire's massive heat energy in new invaders quickly before she overloaded,and was able to do it. doom's whole team is traped insided maelstrom's forcefeild and since wrecker can't tele. or at least seem's only able to it to assgard and has only done it once then they are traped in there plus it's really just to keep them from concentrateing long enough for monica to absorb laser.

[unkiedev]

What do you mean, "DOOM is the worst artist?" DOOM didn't draw that, he uhm..found it in a 50cent bin.

Hm. DOOM will find reference of the WRECKER. DOOM does strongly feel that energy or non energy, Venus or Starfox could sway an energy being.

[da noble savage]

What do you mean, "DOOM is the worst artist?" DOOM didn't draw that, he uhm..found it in a 50cent bin.

Hm. DOOM will find reference of the WRECKER. DOOM does strongly feel that energy or non energy, Venus or Starfox could sway an energy being.

maybe but they are both traped in a force feild 100yd's away from my team also there temp. is being lowerd and raised which should make it hard to concentrate.

[unkiedev]

It is true that the Wrecker has teleported, it seems, on only one occasion. This DOOM concedes. HOWEVER, let us look at a few facts. To Teleport from Earth to Asgaurd and back is a tremendous feet of power. Is it not safe to assume it is easier to teleport 100 yards across a dismal field then across countless miles to another mystical realm?

DO you really want to nickle and dime DOOM about this one?

DOOM has asked the Wrecker himself, and Dirk ASSURE'S DOOM he can still teleport...do YOU want to take this up with the Wrecker?

[da noble savage]

It is true that the Wrecker has teleported, it seems, on only one occasion. This DOOM concedes. HOWEVER, let us look at a few facts. To Teleport from Earth to Asgaurd and back is a tremendous feet of power. Is it not safe to assume it is easier to teleport 100 yards across a dismal field then across countless miles to another mystical realm?

DO you really want to nickle and dime DOOM about this one?

DOOM has asked the Wrecker himself, and Dirk ASSURE'S DOOM he can still teleport...do YOU want to take this up with the Wrecker?

Ya and I also want to tell him his custome suck's and he should have grabed spiderwomen's tit's when he had the chance in new avengers. It's not a matter of power I think it's simply because his power has a connection to asgaurd. either way it doesn't matter one shot powers don't fly here so wrecker is not tele.ing.

[venuscameback]

To Teleport from Earth to Asgaurd and back is a tremendous feet of power. Is it not safe to assume it is easier to teleport 100 yards across a dismal field then across countless miles to another mystical realm?

DO you really want to nickle and dime DOOM about this one?


Yes. Unfortunately powers don't work like that. For example, a TK might be able to move a massive tower block, but it doesn't mean they have fine motor skills TK to thread a needle from across the room.

There are other teleporters who can only 'port transdimensionally. If Wrecker could teleport 100 yards I'm sure we'd have seen him do it many times. and it's likely he doesn't even have that power anymore

My Motherland Ukraine are losing in the football (soccer) now so I'm in a bad mood now worse than any mood Doom suffers

[Big G]

lol that drawing is funny. da noble savage wins this i think. He is creative with human torch and captain marvel.

[Dark Soul # 7]

My Motherland Ukraine are losing in the football (soccer) now so I'm in a bad mood now worse than any mood Doom suffersSorry to hear that. My mom was rooting for you, you as in your country I mean. She's also rooting for France against Brazil.

[venuscameback]

Sorry to hear that. My mom was rooting for you, you as in your country I mean. She's also rooting for France against Brazil.

Three nil :evilangry

I don't think the players will be getting sexed in a while after such a poor match for Ukraine.

(I <3 your Mom)

[venuscameback]

I can't decide.

DNS doesn't even use Collector (far as I see) and Unkiedev has enough firepower (Doom etc.)to take down that forcefield pretty quick, given it's all they have to concentrate on.

and I don't buy that Maelstrom can do two big action simultaneously, creating a wide-scale forcefield and a finely focussed assault on Doom.

but Unkiedev mis-uses Wrecker with the teleporting, and I don't see Doorman listening to Mr I. and the psychic influence on captain Marvel is up in the air (but I'm guessing she is vulnerable to mind control & will assume she is unless it's been shown in the comics that she can't be controlled in energy form)

[Dark Soul # 7]

Three nil :evilangry

I don't think the players will be getting sexed in a while after such a poor match for Ukraine.

(I <3 your Mom)I hear you. That's even worse than my home country, Sweden, getting creamed by Germany about a week ago. They deserved it though. The entire team has been playing like crap ever since the world cup started, dad's really upset.

I'll her that, thanks.:)

[Dark Soul # 7]

I'm having a hard time voting because, if I've counted it correctly, the winner of this fight will fight me next.

[venuscameback]

I hear you. That's even worse than my home country, Sweden, getting creamed by Germany about a week ago. They deserved it though. The entire team has been playing like crap ever since the world cup started, dad's really upset.

I'll her that, thanks.:)

I'm sure it will mean a lot to her ;)

Ukraine have not played to their potential, which is really sad. Neither have Italy, which made this game ours for the taking, until the starting whistle blew

[Dark Soul # 7]

Ukraine have not played to their potential, which is really sad. Neither have Italy, which made this game ours for the taking, until the starting whistle blewI didn't watch the game, I watched my sisters Dogma tape. How long did it take for Italy to humiliate your home?

[venuscameback]

I didn't watch the game, I watched my sisters Dogma tape. How long did it take for Italy to humiliate your home?

It took just six minutes :(

I only saw half the game but The Fury saw it all. His girlfriend's Ukrainian. I'm working and posting simultaneously. He doesn't have a proper job so he gets to watch most the matches. Which is blatantly unfair, him getting a reward for not working!

[Dark Soul # 7]

It took just six minutes :(

I only saw half the game but The Fury saw it all. His girlfriend's Ukrainian. I'm working and posting simultaneously. He doesn't have a proper job so he gets to watch most the matches. Which is blatantly unfair, him getting a reward for not working!Took Germany about four minutes if I remeber correctly and then an additional twelve to finish it all.
Sometimes I think that the judges should just call it quits on some matches that are blantant missmatches just to be merciful to the losers.

I don't have a job either. I'm freash out highschool and am somewhat worthless at the moment.

[venuscameback]

Took Germany about four minutes if I remeber correctly and then an additional twelve to finish it all.
Sometimes I think that the judges should just call it quits on some matches that are blantant missmatches just to be merciful to the losers.

Even Ukraine looked to have given up after the third goal, which is particularly galling for fans.

I don't have a job either. I'm freash out highschool and am somewhat worthless at the moment.

Not having a job = not worthless

and The Fury left school a loooong time ago.

What work would you like to do?

[Dark Soul # 7]

Even Ukraine looked to have given up after the third goal, which is particularly galling for fans.?See it would've been merciful to end it all as fast as possible
Not having a job = not worthlessAdd still unable to drive a car, is a virgin, lacks motivation, has a social life that consists of two or three people outside the family and a big dose a bad self-confidence. Oh and I know all this and am just too lazy to do anything about it.
and The Fury left school a loooong time ago.

What work would you like to do?Write. Don't know what though. I have story in my head. I just can't seem to get my lazy ass up to write it properly.

Sorry about beeing all depressing on you.

[venuscameback]

Add still unable to drive a car, is a virgin, lacks motivation, has a social life that consists of two or three people outside the family and a big dose a bad self-confidence. Oh and I know all this and am just too lazy to do anything about it.

I don't drive and I'm 33. Assuming you're in your teens, I lost my virginity later in life than you. It's better to have a small group of close, cool, reliable friends than lots of uncool, not really there for you friends. Hopefully you don't have just two or three friends, all uncool, that would suck.

Your worth is in who you are, not the amount of sex you're getting, the number of friends you have, and whether you drive a car.

Write. Don't know what though. I have story in my head. I just can't seem to get my lazy ass up to write it properly.

Sorry about beeing all depressing on you.

It's cool man. If you're feeling down, it's good to share.

As for writing, I find discipline is crucial: try to make a set time each day to write in. Same time and place everyday, if possible. Even if it's just half an hour. It doens't matter if what you write is rubbish, just keep writing what comes to mind and train yourself to write in that time and place. Eventually what comes out will be so much better than when you started. What you write that you don't use at the time can be a great quarry for the future - memorable lines, images etc. that can be worked into future pieces.

The only way to finish writing your story is to start.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I don't drive and I'm 33. Assuming you're in your teens, I lost my virginity later in life than you. It's better to have a small group of close, cool, reliable friends than lots of uncool, not really there for you friends. Hopefully you don't have just two or three friends, all uncool, that would suck.

Your worth is in who you are, not the amount of sex you're getting, the number of friends you have, and whether you drive a car.

It's cool man. If you're feeling down, it's good to share.

As for writing, I find discipline is crucial: try to make a set time each day to write in. Same time and place everyday, if possible. Even if it's just half an hour. It doens't matter if what you write is rubbish, just keep writing what comes to mind and train yourself to write in that time and place. Eventually what comes out will be so much better than when you started. What you write that you don't use at the time can be a great quarry for the future - memorable lines, images etc. that can be worked into future pieces.

The only way to finish writing your story is to start.Ehm, wow.
This is a surprise. I'm actually touched here.
Thanks, I haven't felt like this since well ever. I'm getting a little overwhelmed here, shedded a few tears on the balcony overwhelmed. I'm gonna go to bed now and tomorrow I'm going to write something. I don't know what but I'm gonna write something.

Again, thanks... I really mean it.

[Sean Whitmore]

Dammit, dammit...I think DNS takes it, but I don't want to vote againt unkiedev.

I think we all want...no, we all need...more DOOM in this tourny.

Can't I vote instead on Dark Soul getting a job before venuscameback learns to drive? ;)


SEAN

[venuscameback]

Ehm, wow.
This is a surprise. I'm actually touched here.
Thanks, I haven't felt like this since well ever. I'm getting a little overwhelmed here, shedded a few tears on the balcony overwhelmed. I'm gonna go to bed now and tomorrow I'm going to write something. I don't know what but I'm gonna write something.

Again, thanks... I really mean it.

You're welcome.

If you ever want to chat, my AIM's on most the time as I work from home (although i'm not always actually at the computer)

[venuscameback]

Can't I vote instead on Dark Soul getting a job before venuscameback learns to drive? ;)


SEAN

To be clear, I can drive, legally, but I don't drive. Long story, dull story.

Suffice to say I vote Dark Soul gets a job long before I get behind the wheel of car.

[venuscameback]

Dammit, dammit...I think DNS takes it, but I don't want to vote againt unkiedev.

I think we all want...no, we all need...more DOOM in this tourny.

SEAN

I agree. Unkiedev's strategy is better written. da noble savage's is more successful.

My heart wants to vote for Unkiedev but that would be unfair on dns. This has to come down to strategy in the end, and by a whisker I give it dns

Edit: apologies to dns and Unkiedev for hijacking their match thread last night with talk of football and stuff

[venuscameback]

Eep! Another draw!

[unkiedev]

I agree. Unkiedev's strategy is better written. da noble savage's is more successful.

My heart wants to vote for Unkiedev but that would be unfair on dns. This has to come down to strategy in the end, and by a whisker I give it dns

Edit: apologies to dns and Unkiedev for hijacking their match thread last night with talk of football and stuff
DOOM urges you all to listen to your HEARTS...before he rips them from your violated rib cage! If it's more unkiedev you crave, more Unthinkable strategies from the pen of DOOM himself then you must vote for DOOM. DOOM even promisses he will take his mask off in the next battle. DOn't you want to know what is going on under DOOM's steel cold visage?

WHO CARES that Da Noble Savages plan, while clunkily executed, might "Work Better." Is this reality or comic-book battles? DOOM is eating a Sausage-egg and cheese croussaunt, listening to Devo and urging you to do the right thing.:evilangry

[unkiedev]

Add still unable to drive a car, is a virgin, lacks motivation, has a social life that consists of two or three people outside the family and a big dose a bad self-confidence. Oh and I know all this and am just too lazy to do anything about it.
Write. Don't know what though. I have story in my head. I just can't seem to get my lazy ass up to write it properly.

Sorry about beeing all depressing on you.
I'm 30. I've had many a bout with unemployment. The most important thing to remember while unemployed is it is a temporary thing: It ends as soon as you get a job...ANY JOB! having a job makes you feel good about yourself, even a bad job. NEVER doubt your worth based on your job situation.

WRITING: I've written a handfull of radio comedy and a bunch of indie comic books. I've self published 2. I want to write MORE, but I"m nervous and unfocused. Most of what your saying I could say about myself… Here’s my advice: DON’T THINK, JUST WRITE. You don’t even have to like everything you’re writing, just get it down. Write something everyday and never beat yourself up over its merits. Just keep at it. Find what you want to write (Comic Books, Novels, Poems, whatever) and do it. Don’t question yourself, don’t defeat yourself. Forgive yourself and do the work. You’ll get there.

I actually like that this thread turned into something semi-important as opposed to DOOM rambling on about how he should win. That guy's a pain my ass. DARK SOUL #7, don't fear failure, it's just the first step towards success. Fear "Not-Trying." one is far worse than the other.

[venuscameback]

I'm 30. I've had many a bout with unemployment. The most important thing to remember while unemployed is it is a temporary thing: It ends as soon as you get a job...ANY JOB! having a job makes you feel good about yourself, even a bad job. NEVER doubt your worth based on your job situation.

Oh, I've had bad jobs that were at times soul destroying. When you're out of work, any job feels good. When you're in work, a bad job soon feels really bad. but the good news is, it's easier to find a new position when you're working than when you're not, so you can likely switch positions if the one you get does suck.

In the meantime being out of work is an opportunity for you to spend lots of time writing, reading, studying writing etc. Make the most of it. When you're reading, ask yourself what works and what doesn't, and scrutinise it to try and see why some things work and some don't, and try to learn from that. don't waste your time repeating other people's mistakes, look to learn from their strengths.

Here’s my advice: DON’T THINK, JUST WRITE. You don’t even have to like everything you’re writing, just get it down. Write something everyday and never beat yourself up over its merits. Just keep at it. Find what you want to write (Comic Books, Novels, Poems, whatever) and do it. Don’t question yourself, don’t defeat yourself.

Excellent advice.

and don't expect your early work - or any work - to feel great. Writing is a discipline like any other, it takes time to find your voice, to learn the craft etc. Most - but not all, granted - successfull writers have been plugging away for years before they become known. Mike Carey probably seemed like an overnight hit when he got the Lucifer job, but he'd written all kinds of comics before then that didn't work out, didn't take off or didn't get printed before the publisher went bankrupt. A few writers seem to luck into things but most take years to develop their talent before breaking through.

DARK SOUL #7, don't fear failure, it's just the first step towards success. Fear "Not-Trying." one is far worse than the other.

What he said.

[Jessica Drew]

Okay, since I have to break another tie, I'm going to offer both combatants this opportunity: As succinctly as possible, tell me why your strategy is more successful than your opponent's, pointing out no more than three MAJOR flaws in you opponent's strategy. I'll make my ultimate decision later today.

[unkiedev]

What he said.
Thanks, venus. I have to give myself pep talks all the time, so I've gotten pretty good at it.

[unkiedev]

What he said.
Thanks, venus. I have to give myself pep talks all the time, so I've gotten pretty good at it.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Thanks guys.
I'm really not used to pep-talks from the internet. Mostly because my use of it's many functions is somewhat limited, and that's by my choice alone.

Besides that I don't know what to say expect for repeating thanks. I'm figuring out the outline for something that I've had in my head since I think I was 8 or 9, so it's gone through loads of changes. And I'm practicing by writing a little fan ficiton. Just have to get the courage to put it up.

Oh and root for France against Brazil now.

Good luck to the fighters, of this match.

[venuscameback]

WRITING: I've written a handfull of radio comedy and a bunch of indie comic books. I've self published 2.

You got me curious, Unkiedev, care to let me know what you've written? PM me if you don't want to share with everyone

[venuscameback]

I'm figuring out the outline for something that I've had in my head since I think I was 8 or 9, so it's gone through loads of changes. And I'm practicing by writing a little fan ficiton. Just have to get the courage to put it up.

One other thing to remember with regard to being disciplined as a writer, and writing daily. Just because you wrote it doesn't mean you have to share it. Sometimes you're writing purely for yourself, you're writing for practice, experience, writing to learn how to write, how to find your voice etc. etc. Sometimes what you write today is the stepping stone in your craft that you need to make in order to write the wonderful piece that you pen tomorrow.

but when you got something you want to put up, I'll be interested to read it

Oh and root for France against Brazil now

Congratulations France. and Portugal :D

[da noble savage]

Man I missed all the touching moments damn you dell and ur obsseive need for overtime. Hey darksoul I'm in the same boat as you i'm trying to right this movie script down and I keep have to constantly make myself write. everything that the other guys said is great advice. As for my game obviously I should win hell cow simply because I'm not dr. doom duh.

Na Ok I think the major Flaw in Doom's strat. is the tele. Wrecker can't do it therefore he should be traped by my opening move. Also with human torch constantly rasieing and lowering there temp. they should be able to concentrate on breaking the sheild before Malestrom start's blasting them with plasma energy at that point there to worryed about trying to stay alive.

[Dark Soul # 7]

You got me curious, Unkiedev, care to let me know what you've written? PM me if you don't want to share with everyoneSame here. I'm also intrested.
One other thing to remember with regard to being disciplined as a writer, and writing daily. Just because you wrote it doesn't mean you have to share it. Sometimes you're writing purely for yourself, you're writing for practice, experience, writing to learn how to write, how to find your voice etc. etc. Sometimes what you write today is the stepping stone in your craft that you need to make in order to write the wonderful piece that you pen tomorrow.

but when you got something you want to put up, I'll be interested to read itI won't put up my own story anywhere until I can figure how I'd be able to publish it. The first thing I wrote was my version of the fifth HP-book when everybody was waiting for it. I never put it up anywhere but it did feel good writing it.
Congratulations France. and Portugal :DAgreed. I forsee that it will be Germany vs. France in the final.
Man I missed all the touching moments damn you dell and ur obsseive need for overtime. Hey darksoul I'm in the same boat as you i'm trying to right this movie script down and I keep have to constantly make myself write. everything that the other guys said is great advice.Good luck with that mate. Here's to us with writing dreams.

[venuscameback]

Man I missed all the touching moments

*Tackles DNS*

:D you're not too late for the *group hug*

[venuscameback]

I won't put up my own story anywhere until I can figure how I'd be able to publish it.

DDP's How To Self-Publish Comics #1-4 has lots of useful ideas, and being published as a mini you can buy the issues most relevant to what you need/want to know about, if you go the self-publishing route.

For example, issue #4 (just out) covers promoting your book

Agreed. I forsee that it will be Germany vs. France in the final.

If Germany weren't hosting I'd predict Italy to win their semi, but hosting may lift the German team to victory.

France/Portugal is tougher to predict because Portugal will have players back after missing a game for being red-carded, so they should be stronger than they were today. but france seem to have some momentum behind them, having started the tournament playing pretty poor, and that should take them past Portugal.

I think it'll be Italy/France for the final.

Curious and unusual that all four semi-finalists are Euorpean

[da noble savage]

*Tackles DNS*

:D you're not too late for the *group hug*

aww I feel the love. wait dang internet coodies ohh get them off.

[unkiedev]

This thing is a tie at the moment, and I don't want this to come down to a decision. DOOM again shall do the unthinkable: DOOM concededs victory to Da Noble Savage. You outfoxed DOOM with your Shielding.

DOOM concededs. Victory to Da Noble Savage.

DOOM is going to bed.

[Jessica Drew]

Victory to da noble savage!

DOOM shall now be crowned as official artist/cartoonist of the Avengers League playoffs!

[unkiedev]

Victory to da noble savage!

DOOM shall now be crowned as official artist/cartoonist of the Avengers League playoffs!
DOOM would like to thank his estemed opponents: Twilight/Venuscameback, Nightcrawler and Da Noble Savage.

You won this one fair and square, Savage. My hat's off to you, sir.

DOOM would also like to thank Jess Drew! Thank you for the accolades, JESS. DOOM shall, when appropriate, contribute further art to the cause.

[unkiedev]

You got me curious, Unkiedev, care to let me know what you've written? PM me if you don't want to share with everyone
OH, sure. I'm self publishing with a company called "Dead Fish Comics." So far I've written two books: "Robot's R' Cool, Zombie's R' Jerks" and "The Living End." Robots and Zombies is a Mad Magazine-esque Sci-Fi comedy romp about Robot's fighting Zombies in outer space. The Living End is a super-hero who licks a turtle after a car crash and gets magical powers from sun down till sun up. Actually, CBR did an interview with me a while ago:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/media/music/mocca/devintquin.mp3

I want to break into mainstream comics but haven't gotten up the gumption yet. If'n you are still interested you should check our craptastic website at www.deadfishcomics.com

[Jessica Drew]

OH, sure. I'm self publishing with a company called "Dead Fish Comics." So far I've written two books: "Robot's R' Cool, Zombie's R' Jerks" and "The Living End." Robots and Zombies is a Mad Magazine-esque Sci-Fi comedy romp about Robot's fighting Zombies in outer space. The Living End is a super-hero who licks a turtle after a car crash and gets magical powers from sun down till sun up. Actually, CBR did an interview with me a while ago:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/media/music/mocca/devintquin.mp3

I want to break into mainstream comics but haven't gotten up the gumption yet. If'n you are still interested you should check our craptastic website at www.deadfishcomics.com

Awesome. I just went to your website and bougt an issue of each of those comics. Can't wait to get 'em.

[unkiedev]

Awesome. I just went to your website and bougt an issue of each of those comics. Can't wait to get 'em.
Great Jess...now that means more work for me ;) you see, I'm not only the writer/publisher, I"m also the shipping department. That's what Indie publishing is all about!

[da noble savage]

DOOM would like to thank his estemed opponents: Twilight/Venuscameback, Nightcrawler and Da Noble Savage.

You won this one fair and square, Savage. My hat's off to you, sir.

DOOM would also like to thank Jess Drew! Thank you for the accolades, JESS. DOOM shall, when appropriate, contribute further art to the cause.

yes doom gave in to me ohh ya. I am the only one to defeat doom or is this a doombot. :eek:

[unkiedev]

yes doom gave in to me ohh ya. I am the only one to defeat doom or is this a doombot. :eek:
You upitty fool! EVERBODY defeats DOOM. SQUIRREL-GIRL defeated DOOM for crying out loud. DOOM commands: "Don't get too big for your britches."

Nah, only kidding. You whooped DOOM good...you and every other opponent.

[da noble savage]

You upitty fool! EVERBODY defeats DOOM. SQUIRREL-GIRL defeated DOOM for crying out loud. DOOM commands: "Don't get too big for your britches."

Nah, only kidding. You whooped DOOM good...you and every other opponent.

lol nah it was a good match. I still think the squirrel girl thing was a doombot.

[venuscameback]

SQUIRREL-GIRL defeated DOOM for crying out loud

There's good reason Squirrel Girl cost over 100 points in the draft pool. She's almost impossible to hit with her amazing agility, and her attacks are formidable. A Squirrel Girl Heroclix figure would easily be one of the most powerful in the game, her only weakness being her lack of ranged attacks.

There's no shame in losing to the divine Miss Squirrel Girl

[Sean Whitmore]

Just because you wrote it doesn't mean you have to share it.


What a coincidence, that's the stage I'm currently at. Writing stuff, but never finishing anything, and never showing anything to anyone. :D

If I keep up my hard work, I'll soon have four different scripts that are each 25% complete, and I can merge them into one story that nobody will ever read. And then success is assured.


SEAN

[unkiedev]

What a coincidence, that's the stage I'm currently at. Writing stuff, but never finishing anything, and never showing anything to anyone. :D

If I keep up my hard work, I'll soon have four different scripts that are each 25% complete, and I can merge them into one story that nobody will ever read. And then success is assured.


SEAN
Here's my (Unsolicited) advice, Sean. Finish the one story and show it to EVERYBODY. Sometimes writing is done for personal pleasure, but in this case it sounds like you WANT to show it off, but lack a push to do so. One thing a writer needs is a tough skin. Go watch a jackie Chan movie and see how the shoalin monks train their hands. They keep punching Glass, or burning coals. Each rejection is a burning coal. Each person you show it too is another shard of glass under your knuckles.

Keep writing, and toughen up your ego. The more you write the more confident you may become, the more inclined you may be to share. You don't need to push yourself to share this second, but don't spend the rest of your life waiting to take that leap, either.

...it's a process. Don't get discouraged. If you're unhappy with your output up to this point, all you have to do to feel good about it is finish!

[unkiedev]

...And yes, they were all DOOMBOTS. Even Venus was a Doombot...a sexy Doombot...

[venuscameback]

...And yes, they were all DOOMBOTS. Even Venus was a Doombot...a sexy Doombot...

It's true I'm a Doombot

and a sexy one to boot :D

[Sean Whitmore]

Unsolicited? Don't be silly, DOOM'S advice is always de facto solicited!

And your words are well-taken. Once the League is over, it will definitely be time to pick one project and finish it.


SEAN


Here's my (Unsolicited) advice, Sean. Finish the one story and show it to EVERYBODY. Sometimes writing is done for personal pleasure, but in this case it sounds like you WANT to show it off, but lack a push to do so. One thing a writer needs is a tough skin. Go watch a jackie Chan movie and see how the shoalin monks train their hands. They keep punching Glass, or burning coals. Each rejection is a burning coal. Each person you show it too is another shard of glass under your knuckles.

Keep writing, and toughen up your ego. The more you write the more confident you may become, the more inclined you may be to share. You don't need to push yourself to share this second, but don't spend the rest of your life waiting to take that leap, either.

...it's a process. Don't get discouraged. If you're unhappy with your output up to this point, all you have to do to feel good about it is finish!

[venuscameback]

Unsolicited? Don't be silly, DOOM'S advice is always de facto solicited!

And your words are well-taken. Once the League is over, it will definitely be time to pick one project and finish it.

SEAN

Sorry I didn't reply, Sean, your post was so funny I thought you were spoofing.

I'm with Unkiedev here, pick one project and finish it. even if that 'finish' proves temporary, because you can always go back to it for another polish or two. Sometimes it's when you finish a piece of work that you see it's true stengths and flaws, and the process of finishing a piece illuminates it in a completely different way to the processes of thinking, starting and writing it.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Sorry I didn't reply, Sean, your post was so funny I thought you were spoofing.

I'm with Unkiedev here, pick one project and finish it. even if that 'finish' proves temporary, because you can always go back to it for another polish or two. Sometimes it's when you finish a piece of work that you see it's true stengths and flaws, and the process of finishing a piece illuminates it in a completely different way to the processes of thinking, starting and writing it.Good to know. Then I know I'm doing it kinda right at the moment.

[venuscameback]

Good to know. Then I know I'm doing it kinda right at the moment.

I guess, although I feel the need to mention that my writing experience is exclusively amateur; part of my degree was in 'the skills and practice of creative writing' so that helps too but I'm wary of sounding like an expert on a subject i'm an amateur in. If my suggestions sound good and you want to try them, and they work for you, great, but there are probably as many different approaches to writing as there are writers so don't take my suggestions as the best or only way. What matters is finding what works for you.