SabreTooth.....has he ever had is origin told?

[spaz]

If so what issues to look for or buy?

[rilokyle]

I'm sure someone can give you better answers than this one, but I would look into all the various Sabretooth mini-series from the 90s. I've personally have never read any of them, but I'd imagine they explore his origins.

The only things I know about his early life is that he worked with Wolverine as secret agents (thanks to that animated x-men episode "Weapon X, Lies, and Videotape" lol). He then somehow joined up with Mr. Sinister- I think his first appearance was Uncanny X-Men #210, at the start of the Mutant Massacre.

Hope some of that helps. I try. :rolleyes:

[Loestal]

I'm sure someone can give you better answers than this one, but I would look into all the various Sabretooth mini-series from the 90s. I've personally have never read any of them, but I'd imagine they explore his origins.

The only things I know about his early life is that he worked with Wolverine as secret agents (thanks to that animated x-men episode "Weapon X, Lies, and Videotape" lol). He then somehow joined up with Mr. Sinister- I think his first appearance was Uncanny X-Men #210, at the start of the Mutant Massacre.

Hope some of that helps. I try. :rolleyes:

Sabretooth's first appearance was an Iron Fist book.

[Alan2099]

Sabretooth apparently grew his claws and fangs at a somewhat young age and his father was a bit demented. he thought of Sabretooth as a monster and kept him locked up. I recall in one comic he had little Victor over a wooden stump and was about to chop off his head with an axe.

I might be remembering it wrong though.

[Haunt]

Sabretooth apparently grew his claws and fangs at a somewhat young age and his father was a bit demented. he thought of Sabretooth as a monster and kept him locked up. I recall in one comic he had little Victor over a wooden stump and was about to chop off his head with an axe.

I might be remembering it wrong though.

don't forget that his ultra-religious father also regularly pulled Vic's fangs and claws out; only to have them grow back. i think Victor might have ended up killing his mother with the axe. or maybe it was the mother who killed his father with the axe. my memory's sketchy and so was that story.

[Alan2099]

I vaguely recalled pulling out the fangs and claws but I really wasn't sure about it, so I didn't mention it.

[Matthew K.]

Remember when everyone thought Sabretooth was Wolverine's dad?

Comic origins were so mysterious & much more left to the imagination back in those days.

[kel25]

Remember when everyone thought Sabretooth was Wolverine's dad?


Yeah and I was thrilled that he wasn’t. I don’t know why but I never liked the idea of him being the father. On the other hand I didn’t mind the idea of him being his brother.

[Matthew K.]

Yeah and I was thrilled that he wasn’t. I don’t know why but I never liked the idea of him being the father. On the other hand I didn’t mind the idea of him being his brother.

Same here. I wasn't keen on the father/son relation. It didn't sit well with me--Sabretooth was to much of a cold-hearted bastard (I'm not even sure I like him joining the ranks of the X-Men).

But the brother idea I wouldn't have minded seeing that played out.

[DDM]

Sabretooth first appears in Iron Fist #14. Wolverine & Sabretooth have an ongoing vendetta against each other starting in the flashback in Wolverine #10 (1988) hinted in first in Uncanny X-Men #213. His complete origin has never been told. I don't think it needs to be.

[The Lucky One]

Sabretooth's first appearance was an Iron Fist book.

Yeah, as some kind of weird-ass air pirate... definitely no signs that he would someday become Wolverine's main nemesis. As DDM said, he didn't really take on that role until the Mutant Massacre, though an X-Men Classic backup story introduced the idea that Sabretooth stalks and tries to kill Wolverine every year on his birthday... and usually comes pretty close.

-D

[Dizzy D]

The first Sabretooth mini (by Larry Hama and Mark Texeira) shows flashes of his origin (the aforementioned scenes with his father and mother... though Sabretooth wasn't as innocent as others seem to suggest at that time. His father definitely thought he was a hellspawn, but dialogue between father and mother certainly suggest that Sabretooth used those fangs and claws as well.) I don't think any of the other mini's ever went back so far, most of them dealt with flashbacks to his time as a government agent at the earliest. Then there are also bits of information over the year in X-Men, Wolverine and other titles: he worked on railroads in Alaska when still pretty young, worked for the CIA in the 60s etc.

Then there are also scenes which turned out memory implants: so far the only ones confirmed as implants are Sabretooth as Logan's father and Sabretooth killing Silver Fox. Anything he remembers after the Sabretooth-mini is pretty much real (his false memories were removed in the beginning of that).

[Blackcat]

According to Marvel it is believed that he suffered an abusive childhood at the hands of his father who, disgusted by the boy’s mutant nature, frequently beat him and chained him up in the darkened basement of their home. As an adult, Creed took the name Sabretooth, and by the 1910s he was known by this name in a small Canadian frontier community where he intimidated almost everyone. One of the few exceptions was a young man named Logan (a.k.a. Wolverine), whom Sabretooth sensed had superhuman abilities similar to his own. Hating the love that existed between Logan and a young Indian girl named Silver Fox, Sabretooth brutally assaulted her, apparently raping her and leaving her for dead. The enraged Logan then forced Sabretooth into a pitched battle, which ended with Sabretooth victorious. Unbeknownst to either combatant, Silver Fox survived the attack and soon departed from the community.

Little is known about Sabretooth’s subsequent activities until the early 1960s when served in Team X, a special intelligence unit run by the Central Intelligence Agency for the subversive Weapon X Program. In Team X, Sabretooth was reunited with both Logan, now known as Wolverine, and Silver Fox, however none of them recalled their past experiences due to false memory implants provided by Weapon X’s ally Psi-Borg.

Sabretooth had a falling out with Wolverine during a mission in East Berlin in Germany during the early 1960s, exacerbating the already tense animosity between the two. During that same mission, Sabretooth met and romanced Leni Zauber, an operative for another unnamed government agency. Unbeknownst to Sabretooth, Zauber was actually Mystique. Sabretooth remained with Zauber for a month before returning to his Team X duties and remained with the team until its disbandment.

Also later Sabretooth was manipulated by Mystique, who, for reasons of her own, seduced him in order to become pregnant with his child. However, the resultant son had no mutant potential and was abandoned by Mystique, growing up to become the anti-mutant activist Graydon Creed.

While working for the elitist Hellfire Club, Sabretooth clashed with Wolverine in the latter’s capacity as an agent of the Canadian government’s Department K.

[mattbib]

Sabretooth is Dog, duh! Everyone knows that!

:rolleyes:

[MythicBrawn]

Sabretooth was extremely lame until they linked him to Wolverine. How's this for history: He got his butt kicked by a non-powered Black Cat. By his association with Wolverine, that couldn't happen today. The simple explanation would be that Mr. Sinister amped Sabretooth up while he was a Marauder. Otherwise, why care about his origin. They revealed enough that nothing else needs to be told.

[Jack]

Sabretooth is Dog, duh! Everyone knows that!

:rolleyes:
Nah, Sabretooth is the believed-to-be-dead older brother, who scarred and traumatised their mother :p

[Unkillable Cat]

The stuff with Sabretooth's dad locking him up in the basement can be found in X-Men Unlimited #3.

[Dizzy D]

Hating the love that existed between Logan and a young Indian girl named Silver Fox, Sabretooth brutally assaulted her, apparently raping her and leaving her for dead. The enraged Logan then forced Sabretooth into a pitched battle, which ended with Sabretooth victorious. Unbeknownst to either combatant, Silver Fox survived the attack and soon departed from the community.

This was confirmed to be memory implant:
Wolverine:"Did you make up the story about me and Silver Fox, living in that cabin?"
Psi-Borg:"Why would I waste my time on that sappy stuff? The only thing I made up was everything going wrong."

During that same mission, Sabretooth met and romanced Leni Zauber, an operative for another unnamed government agency. Unbeknownst to Sabretooth, Zauber was actually Mystique. Sabretooth remained with Zauber for a month before returning to his Team X duties and remained with the team until its disbandment.

Also later Sabretooth was manipulated by Mystique, who, for reasons of her own, seduced him in order to become pregnant with his child. However, the resultant son had no mutant potential and was abandoned by Mystique, growing up to become the anti-mutant activist Graydon Creed.

This also seems like he met Mystique/Leni twice during that time. They only met once and "Leni" faked her death shortly afterwards. When returning, Sabretooth only found the real Leni's dead body.

[Haunt]

Sabretooth is Dog, duh! Everyone knows that!

:rolleyes:


Cyber was Dog. he even has the facial scars.

[Loestal]

Cyber was Dog. he even has the facial scars.

Really? hm, I'll be damned...didn't know that. Is that confirmed or just your thoughts Haunt?

[Finn]

Really Haunt?

I thought Dog travelled to the Ultimate Universe and became Cable:D

[Haunt]

Really? hm, I'll be damned...didn't know that. Is that confirmed or just your thoughts Haunt?


it's actually one of Haunt's 11 Commandments. you're forgiven for not knowing them.

anyways, yeah i'm just guessing. Wolverine has always been afraid of Cyber for some unexplained reason. i'm just comparing the two of them and seeing a family resemblance. if Wolverine were taller, he'd be identical to the guy. he also claims that Wolverine killed his father.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/WOLV2I94.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_(comics)

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

it's actually one of Haunt's 11 Commandments. you're forgiven for not knowing them.

anyways, yeah i'm just guessing. Wolverine has always been afraid of Cyber for some unexplained reason. i'm just comparing the two of them and seeing a family resemblance. if Wolverine were taller, he'd be identical to the guy. he also claims that Wolverine killed his father.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/WOLV2I94.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber_(comics)


Actually when they fight over in MCP Cyber does not have the facial scar. He is missing an eye Wolverine cut out. I am almost positive without going and checking Cyber only got the scar face when he fought a bone claw Wolverine around Wolverine #80. Cause Wolverine's bone claws could not hurt him, so he sliced across his only part of Cyber's skin showing.

Man Cyber was a great Wolverine villian. A person who Logan legitimantly feared and was scared to fight. Oh the possibilities that could have come from Cyber and Wolverine.

[Haunt]

Actually when they fight over in MCP Cyber does not have the facial scar. He is missing an eye Wolverine cut out. I am almost positive without going and checking Cyber only got the scar face when he fought a bone claw Wolverine around Wolverine #80. Cause Wolverine's bone claws could not hurt him, so he sliced across his only part of Cyber's skin showing.

Man Cyber was a great Wolverine villian. A person who Logan legitimantly feared and was scared to fight. Oh the possibilities that could have come from Cyber and Wolverine.


true, he doesn't have the facial scar. but neither does Sabretooth. both characters have healing factors. both characters have some kind of age retardation thing going on. but since the writer of Origin admitted to not intending Dog to be Sabretooth, why do you think he included the facial scarring? Cyber was the last person to be slashed like that by Wolverine. he also looks like Logan and claims that Wolverine killed his father. Sabretooth has never made that claim. that's not to say that Victor couldn't be related to Wolverine. i just don't, personally, believe that he's Dog. i think it'd be a little too obvious.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=96477059734%2090

as observed in the picture, Cyber's canine teeth are just as pronounced as Sabretooth's.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

true, he doesn't have the facial scar. but neither does Sabretooth. both characters have healing factors. both characters have some kind of age retardation thing going on. but since the writer of Origin admitted to not intending Dog to be Sabretooth, why do you think he included the facial scarring? Cyber was the last person to be slashed like that by Wolverine. he also looks like Logan and claims that Wolverine killed his father. Sabretooth has never made that claim. that's not to say that Victor couldn't be related to Wolverine. i just don't, personally, believe that he's Dog. i think it'd be a little too obvious.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=96477059734%2090

as observed in the picture, Cyber's canine teeth are just as pronounced as Sabretooth's.


I don;t think Sabertooth is Dog either. Not Cyber or Sabertooth. Dog just happens to be a step brother of Logan's who's long since dead.

Actually I don't think Cyber and Wolverine met before WW2. I think Logan and both Cyber verified that they first met in the WW2 era when Cyber took Logan under his wing.

[Haunt]

I don;t think Sabertooth is Dog either. Not Cyber or Sabertooth. Dog just happens to be a step brother of Logan's who's long since dead.

Actually I don't think Cyber and Wolverine met before WW2. I think Logan and both Cyber verified that they first met in the WW2 era when Cyber took Logan under his wing.

false memory implant, perhaps? or maybe they really did meet in WW2; Cyberg tracking him down. doesn't mean it was the first time.

[Loestal]

This may be something Way addresses in Origins.

[Callisto]

don't forget that his ultra-religious father also regularly pulled Vic's fangs and claws out; only to have them grow back. i think Victor might have ended up killing his mother with the axe. or maybe it was the mother who killed his father with the axe. my memory's sketchy and so was that story.


that poor innocent boy. No wonder he grew to become such a savage beast:(

[Dizzy D]

I don;t think Sabertooth is Dog either. Not Cyber or Sabertooth. Dog just happens to be a step brother of Logan's who's long since dead.

Actually I don't think Cyber and Wolverine met before WW2. I think Logan and both Cyber verified that they first met in the WW2 era when Cyber took Logan under his wing.

It was World War I, not World War II when Cyber and Wolverine met.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

It was World War I, not World War II when Cyber and Wolverine met.



Thanks for the correction. I do not have all of the MCP storyline. It seems almost impossible to get.

Also Cyber was never part of Weapon X so he would not have had memory implants.

[T-800]

Sabretooth is Dog, duh! Everyone knows that!

:rolleyes:

Dog is Sabretooth's "back up" origin in case Marvel couldn't think of anything good.

[Gene M.]

true, he doesn't have the facial scar. but neither does Sabretooth. both characters have healing factors. both characters have some kind of age retardation thing going on. but since the writer of Origin admitted to not intending Dog to be Sabretooth, why do you think he included the facial scarring? Cyber was the last person to be slashed like that by Wolverine. he also looks like Logan and claims that Wolverine killed his father. Sabretooth has never made that claim. that's not to say that Victor couldn't be related to Wolverine. i just don't, personally, believe that he's Dog. i think it'd be a little too obvious.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=fullsize&issue=96477059734%2090

as observed in the picture, Cyber's canine teeth are just as pronounced as Sabretooth's.

That's Wolverine in that picture.

[Frank]

Sabretooth: Origin

I smell $$$!!! :D

[T-800]

Sabretooth: Origin

I smell $$$!!! :D

Yeah, but Dog pretty much killed it. Notice Dog's Origin is almost exactly like Sabretooth's Origin?

[Haunt]

That's Wolverine in that picture.


i was hoping that no one would notice. :mad:

[Just a Shadow]

Personally I would like to see a Sabretooth origin.

It's true that Sabretooth doesn't have the scar, but does Dog have to have kept the scars? As we have seen with Wolverine over the years, his healing factor seems to jump around. In Days of Future's Past Wolvie was incinerated by a Sentinel and died, then more recently he was incinerated by Nitro and came back. I think it's possible that Sabretooth was a late bloomer and got his powers afterwards. Or alternatively, maybe his powers worked in spurts at the time. Mind you, that is not what the author intended, but it's a good explanation if a future writer wants to deal with his origin and make him be dog.

Incidentally, Dog is wolverine's half bro, not his step bro.

[Disco Jess Minge]

Sabretooth first appears in Iron Fist #14. Wolverine & Sabretooth have an ongoing vendetta against each other starting in the flashback in Wolverine #10 (1988) hinted in first in Uncanny X-Men #213. His complete origin has never been told. I don't think it needs to be.

You also forgot X-Men Unlimited #3 which showed a glimpse into his past where he was chained in the basement of his childhood home and was fed live rabbits.

But of course, to you that never happened because your false messiah didn't write it.:rolleyes:

To the OP: It's a good story, Fabian Niecieza wrote it and Mike McKone drew it.

[matthewaos]

Has anyone understand how Wolverine's healing factor about memories work? I mean, how he forgets a dramatic event? Has he had to not remember it? I mean let's say all those things happening with the X-Men. There is not a single fact that he would forget? Mariko's death for example. Why he has not forget it? Also, with his power upgrades over the years, should his "memory erasing" healing factor be upgraded too?

[DDM]

Sabretooth was extremely lame until they linked him to Wolverine. How's this for history: He got his butt kicked by a non-powered Black Cat. By his association with Wolverine, that couldn't happen today. The simple explanation would be that Mr. Sinister amped Sabretooth up while he was a Marauder. Otherwise, why care about his origin. They revealed enough that nothing else needs to be told.

With Mister Sinister & the Marauders, Chris Claremont intended for every Sabretooth appearance save his first appearance in Iron Fist #14 is a clone. The clone idea makes sense for the Blackcat beating Sabretooth up. Wolverine's association with Sabretooth is that one is the flipside of the same coin; in other words, Sabretooth is Wolverine's dark side, although Sabretooth is not the alter-ego of Wolverine.

Mister Sinister would have the real Marauders--save the psychic entity Malice--in suspended animation so he can decant new clones at will.

At one time, Sabretooth was meant to be Wolverine's father, but this idea was trashed when too many fans figured this idea out ahead of time. Sabretooth's face was also meant for Wolverine until John Byrne was informed Dave Cockrum already designed Wolverine's appearance without his costume.

[Just a Shadow]

Has anyone understand how Wolverine's healing factor about memories work? I mean, how he forgets a dramatic event? Has he had to not remember it? I mean let's say all those things happening with the X-Men. There is not a single fact that he would forget? Mariko's death for example. Why he has not forget it? Also, with his power upgrades over the years, should his "memory erasing" healing factor be upgraded too?

Could wolverine simply be better at dealing with pain than he used to be? At that time in his life he wasn't terribly used to being hurt. Sure he was a sickly kid, but for the most part, not much traumatic happened. After that he had a ton of horrible things happen to him, not to mention ungodly amounts of physical damage. I figure that maybe he's learnt to deal with pain better and he simply doesn't block things out like he used to.

The other possibility is that he gets constant reminders. After the events of the first few issues of origin, he left everything he knew behind. The only reminder he had was Rose, who didn't seem to want to talk about what happened. However nowadays he is surrounded by people he knows which leads to constant reminders of the past.

[Waterlily]

I remember an Uncanny X-Men issue (326?) where Gambit confronts an anmesiac Sabretooth with a whole long spiel of people that Sabretooth killed. I remember it said something about his first recorded kill being when he was nine, he went on a killing spree when he was thirteen, and other fun stuff. There was another issue with Gambit (X-Men 33?) where Sabretooth tells Rogue he was a railroad worker or something when he was 15 during the Gold Rush.

[Desmodus]

I remember an Uncanny X-Men issue (326?) where Gambit confronts an anmesiac Sabretooth with a whole long spiel of people that Sabretooth killed. I remember it said something about his first recorded kill being when he was nine, he went on a killing spree when he was thirteen, and other fun stuff. There was another issue with Gambit (X-Men 33?) where Sabretooth tells Rogue he was a railroad worker or something when he was 15 during the Gold Rush.

Really, anything that Vic says has to be taken with a grain of salt. The man is a flat out liar, murderer and ne'er do well.

I love that bastard.

[darknessatnoon]

With Mister Sinister & the Marauders, Chris Claremont intended for every Sabretooth appearance save his first appearance in Iron Fist #14 is a clone.

DDM, I respect you because you are totally an X-Men encyclopedia, but that scene totally counts. She kicked his ass, and long let Felicia revel in that victory.

[Phil Hunn]

Really, anything that Vic says has to be taken with a grain of salt. The man is a flat out liar, murderer and ne'er do well.

I love that bastard.

Like the Joker's history, Sabretooth's past should be multiple choice :)

DDM, I respect you because you are totally an X-Men encyclopedia, but that scene totally counts. She kicked his ass, and long let Felicia revel in that victory.

She even broke the guy's nose, as I recall. These days, the guy would heal and rip her throat out before she'd even drawn back her hand.

[rZi]

Sabretooth apparently grew his claws and fangs at a somewhat young age and his father was a bit demented. he thought of Sabretooth as a monster and kept him locked up. I recall in one comic he had little Victor over a wooden stump and was about to chop off his head with an axe.

I might be remembering it wrong though.

I too remember something like this...

Didn't his father also pull out his teeth/claws as to not make him a freak?

[Phil Hunn]

I too remember something like this...

Didn't his father also pull out his teeth/claws as to not make him a freak?

Yes, he did indeed pull out Vic's claws & teeth on a regular basis, because (I believe) he thought that Vic had the devil in him somehow. With Vic's childhood mostly likely being somewhere in the 1900s, that's not really much of a surprise...

[rZi]

Yes, he did indeed pull out Vic's claws & teeth on a regular basis, because (I believe) he thought that Vic had the devil in him somehow. With Vic's childhood mostly likely being somewhere in the 1900s, that's not really much of a surprise...

Ahh thats for clearing that up. So i assume his teeth/claws grew back as part of his healing factor?

Plus this probably explains why Vic has a tendancey to be a little violent at times..

[Phil Hunn]

Ahh thats for clearing that up. So i assume his teeth/claws grew back as part of his healing factor?

Plus this probably explains why Vic has a tendancey to be a little violent at times..

I think the tendency was there all along, it was just unlocked by his father's brutal paternal "care".

[Joe Franklin]

Sabretooth needs to remain somewhat of a mystery, because giving him an origin would ruin him just like it did Wolverine.

[Phil Hunn]

Sabretooth needs to remain somewhat of a mystery, because giving him an origin would ruin him just like it did Wolverine.

Hmm. I don't think Wolverine gaining an origin and all of his memories back has necessarily "ruined" the character. The core of the guy - effectively a fallen samurai - is still there.

Likewise, I don't think finally giving Rogue a first name has done her character any harm.

That being said... oblique references to Sabretooth's origins are fine, as long as they don't dwell on them. Sabretooth is essentially just a killing machine, what Logan would be if he gave in to the berserker rage. That's pretty much all he is, so stuff like the references to his time in his dad's basement are enough history for him.

AoA Sabretooth is a different story, however.

[Joe Franklin]

AoA Sabretooth is a different story, however.

True. This is because AOA Sabretooth is Marvel's best mutant character.:cool: