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Joe-Dono
06-28-2006, 01:23 PM
Ok here is the idea, you get to build your own JLA with as many characters as you like, the only rule being it has to contain the big 3 (Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman), So who would you put in and why?
Haunt
06-28-2006, 03:18 PM
1. Superman
2. Wonderwoman
3. Batman
4. Green Lantern
5. Aquaman
6. Martian Manhunter
7. Flash
8. Hawkman
9. Hawkwoman
10. Atom
11. Green Arrow
12. Black Canary
why? because those are the characaters i am enjoying in the JUSTICE series.
Ontir
06-28-2006, 03:55 PM
Superman
Wonder Woman (Donna Troy - you didn't say which one!)
Batman
Firestorm
Green Lantern (Jon Stewart)
Dr. Light II
Elongated Man (With a great deal of anger and grit.)
Tornado (The female version of Red, from "Kingdom Come.)
& Starfire
SpartanX
06-28-2006, 08:01 PM
1. Superman
2. Batman
3. Wonder Woman
4. Green Lantern - Hal
5. Flash - Bart
6. J'onn
7. Zatanna
8. Blue Beetle (trainee)
9. Cyborg
10. New Atom (once he's introduced and well written)
11. Red Tornado
Superman - He's the ultimate superhero, so he needs to be on the ultimate team.
Batman - He's my favorite character.
Wonder Woman - You said I had to pick her.
Martian Manhunter - Same reason as EZMOHR, plus he's my second favorite DCU character.
Plastic Man - I think the team needs comic relief ala Wally on JLU.
Atom (Palmer) - I just think you need a guy who can get really small.
Hawkgirl - I prefer Hawkman, but I think the JLA needs another woman.
Green Arrow - Silly as it sounds I like Ollie's look.
Flash (Bart) - I think Bart would allow for better stories than Wally.
Green Lantern (Kilowog) - I don't like any Green Lantern, but you need one on the JLA so I pick the space-pig looking thing.
Red Tornado - I know nothing about the character at all, but I like his look and want to know about, so he's on my team.
EZMOHR
06-28-2006, 08:21 PM
1. Superman
2. Batman
3. Wonder Woman
4. Martian Manhunter- I think this guy is the JL. He seems to be involved in every incarnation, and his mind powers and other skills are great.
5. Booster Gold- I like what 52 is doing with the character now. I hope he lives to make it onto a JL squad.
6. John Stewart- He just fits the JL as the resident GL more than I feel Hal Jordan does now.
7. Zatanna- The JL need magic. She is DC go to magic queen. It sells itself.
8. Red Tornado- Always one of my favorites, I think iteractions with J'onn would rock in storytelling.
9. Arsenal- One thing the JL has never done....call up the new talent. I think Roy could fill the gap bridging to the new generation.
10. Aquaman- And not this new Conan-lite...the real Aquaman.
11. Ray Palmer- I want this Atom, no offense to the new one. This one just seems better.
12. Hawkgirl- The JL needs another bruiser. She will do.
13. Jay Garrick- I think I would like the older Flash to teach the younger Generation how to do it.
Sizzle
06-28-2006, 09:31 PM
Batman
Superman
Wonder Woman - Diana
J'onn, it's not the League without him.
Flash Wally West. He's earned his place, Bart still needs to pay his dues.
GL - Kyle, I like his and Wally's chemistry, however, John would be good as well. Keep Hal Boredom away. Guy to because he will inevitably get characterized as a big jerk instead of just a hot head.
Aquaman. I am not familiar with what is going on in his book right now. I enjoyed with Peter David did with the character, I read the new title for a little bit at first but quickly dropped it.
The team I would like to see? Hmmmmmm.....
I'd like to see a JLA where the Big Three all have a junior partner with them, someone to act as their assistant and surrogate when necessary, showcasing their relationship with their "family".
Superman
Steel
Wonder Woman
Donna Troy
Batman
Nightwing
The Batman/Nightwing relationship is one of my favourites, but you rarely see them together. These are all established dynamics that are still entertaining - important in a book like JLA, where by its nature change can't really happen. And all three of these relationships are different, so it's not repetitive to have all of them in one book.
For other members, these are the people I'd most like to see:
Arsenal - realistically Ollie is a little too busy at the moment, so Arsenal is a logical stand in for him. Arsenal has a lot of connections in the DCU and should get a shot at the big leagues.
Black Canary - she's a founder of the JLA (or at least she was, and I hope she still is), and it's been a good while since she was a fulltime member. Plus, she has an interesting relationship with Arsenal.
Booster Gold - an interesting character with a very different perspective to that of the traditional JLA. He's getting a lot of focus in 52 and hopefully by the end he'll deserve a seat.
Flash - Bart or Wally. Wally just works with the League, and if it has to be Bart, well, there's always lots of material in the rookie angle.
Green Lantern - all of them, including Kyle as Ion. Green Lanterns spend a lot of time off in space, but there's probably always one on or near Earth, so whichever GL is available should pitch in. Have the JLA form an official alliance with the Corps.
Mister Miracle - brings something to the team that no one else does, plus is a window to the entire Fourth World mythos, providing plot access to characters and storylines involving them.
Antrustion
06-29-2006, 12:41 AM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash (Kingdom Come version)- When I think of the JL, I only actually think of Superman, Flash, and Martian Manhunter from the "Big 7." The Kingdom Come version was just a great visual, so that's the why for that version.
Starman (Danny Blaine)- Potentially a very interesting powerhouse character. It would also be nice to see the DCU step outside past Leagues for the roster.
Tempest- Another brought in from outside. A little more interesting than Aquaman, with a little more power.
Martian Manhunter- Honestly, the heart of the League, though somewhat repetitive with Superman present in my mind.
The Ray- A good substitute for Green Lantern, who I wish would be left with the Corps only. Weird backstory holds good story potential. Also a nostalgia pick, since I started reading the JL during the time he was in the League.
Anything more than eight members is a bit too much, but I have to say that I'd never include Batman as anything more than an off-site strategist for the League unless I was forced to.
Jack Zodiac
06-29-2006, 01:18 AM
Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman.
Martian Manhunter, because every super team needs a telepath. J'onn's always been a great character and he's a great foil for every other super heroic character he's teamed with.
Booster Gold, because I want him to be a real super hero, and not just some asshole. If someone forced him onto the team, he'd have to shape up. I could see Batman bitchslappin' into him like he was Guy. On that note...
John Stewart. Every JLA needs a Green Lantern, and now that Guy and the aliens have their Corps book, and Hal has his own book, and Kyle his own mini, John's the odd man out. Plus, I think he's been one of the better written Green Lanterns on a Justice League book. I'd like to see Guy Earthbound again, though, especially on a team with Bruce and Michael.
Jesse Quick. Wally's gone, Jay's with the JSA, Bart's still young and would be better off back with the Teen Titans (even if he's twenty-one, now). I think Jesse's been underused lately. She could still use her super speed, now that we know the Speed Force is still around, and she's got a little bit of super strength to go with it. Nice touch. I think she's ready to graduate from Titan to the big times.
And that's seven. Generally, I like the team smaller. I'd have thrown Aquaman in there if his story wasn't so messed up right now.
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Gozwald73
06-29-2006, 02:40 AM
I've always been a fan of large teams with a rotating roster, so my league would contain at least:
01. Superman since this is a "dream team" of sorts, I'd prefer to use my favourite incarnation: Superman Blue
02. Wonder Woman I need more exposure to accept Donna as WW, so for now it's Diana
03. Batman only occasionally and if I had a choice I would replace his 'advisory capacity' with Oracle
04. Green Lantern (John Stewart) I think the JL needs a couple of 'space-faring' heroes. John has well developed star-legs and is a great GL.
05. Jesse Quick The most under-rated speedster around today
06. Red Tornado I really enjoyed the Primal Force version of this character, would love to see him like this again
07. Hawkgirl (Kendra Saunders) I've never been a fan of any of the Hawkpeople until Kendra - she's great!
08. Martian Manhunter Without J'onn it is not a League. Simple as that.
09. Black Canary DC's 'Big 7' when they re-launched JLA last time should really have been a 'Big 8'. Dinah has gone through so much character development in the last 20 or so years, she deserves to be back in the League limelight
10. Plastic Man Everyone needs to smile every once in a while
11. Mr. Miracle (Shilo Norman) Not directly a link to the New Gods, but this aspect can be exploited. Also a good candidate for League trainee.
12. Zatanna I like the top hat and fishnets outfit, not the other horrid blue thingo (gak!!...)
13. Captain Comet Another spacefarer, heavy hitter, telepath, leadership qualities, etc etc etc - what a candidate, huh?
14. Marij'n If Bats is only part-time, you need another resident genius. Besides, Captain Comet and Marij'n can't be separated and... she's my all-time fave comics hero. She's in.
15. Power Girl Complete with scraggy yellow cat, please :)
16. Dr. Light (Kimiyo) Let's put the villainous Dr Light out of commission. Also, Kimiyo has great potential as a 'leader in training'.
17. Blue Beetle Along with Shilo, a good candidate for trainee
18. Green Arrow (Connor Hawke) he rocks, and is much more interesting than Ollie.
19. Firestorm could do with another energy-based hero
20. Steel The best thing to come out of Reign of the Supermen, and Plas needs his friend in the League.
21. Gypsy A brand new costume is needed here...
22. Aquaman Orin please, not the new guy
23. Supergirl PG, Supes and SG in the same team? Awesome!
could keep going with this, but that'll do for now
:D
Agentum
06-29-2006, 05:04 AM
I prefer JSA, but if JLA has to do i don't want one with only the most powerful most known heroes, they don't work as a team but as individuals.
Have a somehow rotating membership with both lesser heroes and popular ones.
Cayman
06-29-2006, 10:04 AM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
I enjoyed the Big 7 approach, but if we're changing things up, I'll go with these others:
Green Lantern : This would be Hal Jordan. He's not my favorite GL, but he's got one of DC's best-selling titles so including him in JLA just seems like a no brainer from a sales POV.
Vril Dox : The guy from LEGION, right? He was cool in Adam Strange. Be a fun change from J'onn. Seems like he'd provide some entertaining friction.
Captain Marvel Jr. : It'd be fun to have a Marvel character in there, but Captain Marvel himself seems like a bit of duplication when Superman is around. I was thinking Mary Marvel but she's done the gig already whereas I don't believe Jr. has worked with the JLA as much.
Black Lightning : I've always liked him. I know they've said before he prefers to work at the street level, but not long ago he was the Secretary of Education so things can change.
Arsenal : I like Connor Hawke a bit more, but Arsenal seems to need a home.
Supergirl : Like Hal Jordan, she's one of DC's better-selling characters at the moment and it might be fun to have her interacting with Captain Marvel Jr. Granted, a lot of people hate the character but oh well.
Hawkgirl : Assuming she's not going to be on the relaunched JSA.
Cyborg : I'm not a huge fan, but he seems the Titan most likely to move up at the moment.
Reservists:
The Flash : In this case, Jay Garrick. I'm not sure the current Flash is JLA-ready yet.
Dr. Light : The heroine, obviously. Somewhat interesting character.
Cay
Ballistic27
06-29-2006, 11:53 AM
Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Green Arrow
Hawkman
Hal Jordan
Grail
07-04-2006, 05:45 AM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Hulk
Green Lantern- Hal Jordan
Aquaman (surly bearded Arthur)
Optimus Prime
Magneto
mrc1214
07-04-2006, 07:30 AM
]1. Superman
2. Wonderwoman
3. Batman
4. Green Lantern
5. Aquaman
6. Martian Manhunter
7. Flash
8. Hawkman
9. Hawkwoman
10. Atom
11. Green Arrow
12. Black Canary
I started typing them out but I realized someone already wrote it. Haunt hit it right here this should always be the core team. There is two i believe are worthy to be in JLA Red Tornado and Cyborg.
Bored at 3:00AM
07-04-2006, 08:42 AM
Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman
An ever-changing Green Lantern. Depending upon the adventure, it could be anyone from Hal to John to Guy to Kyle to some alien GL from another space sector.
I would have said The Flash, but given the dismal showing of the first issue with Bart at the helm, I think it'd be best to let him find his footing first before putting him in the JLA.
I also would have said Martian Manhunter, but his current redesign looks horrific. I'll let that particular incarnation play itself out before putting him back in the League.
Green Arrow & Black Canary...to keep the League honest.
Vixen, I've always liked the character. She also looks really sexy now that she's lost her She-Wolverine haircut.
The rest of the team can be filled out with a collection of specialists called on a mission by mission basis. Sort of a JLU take on things.
reta666
07-04-2006, 09:53 AM
Superman,Batman,Wonder Woman
4.- Green Lantern(hal Jordan). You really need someone to counter Batman,
Kyle's better solo, guy in the league is always gonna look like an idiot, maybe John when hal's not there.
5.- Flash. Wally or Bart, the thing is you need a speedster. And Jay Garrick would not work well with a bunch of youngsters
6.- Martian Manhunter.- as said before the league is not the league without him.
7.- Zatanna or Captain Marvel.- You need somebody with magic.Zatanna has experience with the league, but i think marvel is a great character one of my favs and should be in the league.
8.- Green Arrow.- The guy is the only one who truly thinks in others and consequences
9.- Black canary. just love the gal, and there needs to be at least 2 women in the league
astronato
07-04-2006, 05:23 PM
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman
Hal Jordan, Barry Allen (that's right!), Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Ray Palmer, Supergirl
my second stringers......
Red Tornado, Ron Raymond, Vixen, Plastic Man, Captain Atom, Bronze Tiger, Aztek, Longshadow (from JLU), Rising Sun
Swell
07-05-2006, 09:40 PM
Big Guns & Small Espionage Squad
Superman
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel (or Junior)
Dr. Fate
Powergirl
Brainwave
Ray
Captain Atom
Flash (Bart?)
Green Lantern (Any?)
Black Lightning
Metamorpho
Batman
Question
Black Canary (or Catwoman)
Mr Terrific
Nightshade
PastePotPete
07-06-2006, 06:57 AM
This is always fun...
Superman
Batman
Wonderwoman
In the old showcase JLA collection I have, Batman and Superman only help out every third issue. I'd do the same with a modern JLA and add Wonderwoman to that list. They're the chairpeople of the League, but they can't join every adventure because they're too busy.
Now, my regular JLA roster would have...
Green Lantern--Guy Gardner--the grizzled justice league veteran
Zatanna--the other veteran/leader figure for the young heroes, constantly fighting with Guy
Green Arrow-- Connor Hawke--he can be cooler than Ollie, but he hasn't been yet...
Mary Marvel--naive and sweet, as in I Can't Believe Its the Justice League!
Blue Beetle-- Jaime Hernandez
Firestorm--Jason Rusch
The All-New Atom-- Ryan Choi (I know we haven't seen the character yet, but the idea fits with what I'm doing here.)
Bulleteer--strange, sexy but cold, covered in metal--she'll mess with the guys' heads.
So, this is a way to go. Definitely not classic, but I want to see the team get all shook up. To hell with the 'big 7.' It was awesome while it lasted (8 issues?) Morrison rules. Death to Morrison. Let's move on!
This isn't The Teen Titans. This isn't the Titans or The Outsiders. This is the JLA. The problems should be BIG. We should worry about whether these young heroes will be able to solve them. They should have failures AND victories. There should be infighting. Characters can die because they're not these untouchable icons (and yes, they'll no doubt come back in some other book six years later, but we won't worry about that.)
Pinnacle
07-06-2006, 01:54 PM
I like Haunt's idea of the core 12 from JUSTICE but I would add 3 more to the core.
1. Superman
2. Batman
3. Wonder Woman
4. Green Lantern (Hal)
5. Flash (Wally)
6. Aquaman (original Arthur)
7. Martian Manhunter
8. Hawkman (more Thangarian than Egyptian)
9. Hawkgirl (see above)
10. Atom (Ray Palmer)
11. Green Arrow (Ollie)
12. Black Canary
13. Red Tornado
14. Elognated Man
15. Zatanna
I'd then have about 30 or so reserve members that would be called in for special missions. There would be a Watchtower rotation where everyone would be on duty so often and whoever appeared in individual missions would depend on who's on duty and what that particular mission might call for. There would always at least be two of the core 15 in each issue and big missions and arcs would include the entire core of 15.
shaunyc56
07-06-2006, 02:07 PM
Superman
Batman
Wonderwoman
Nightwing
Arsenal
Steel
GL John Stewart
Martian Manhunter
Flash Wally West
It's sausage heavy, I know, but I like the idea of teams splitting up and Nightwing, Arsenal, and Flash go one way and we kind of see the Band back together.
Devil May Care
07-08-2006, 11:57 PM
1) Superman
2) Batman
3) Wonder Woman
And now, the rest...
4) Cyborg. It's time he stepped up from his perennial home in Titans Tower.
5) Mary Marvel or CM3. It never hurts to have another powerhouse, and I'm sure Billy wouldn't mind sharing the spotlight.
6 & 7) Green Arrow & Black Canary. Can't have one without the other.
8) Professor Zoom. He's always been concerned with making the heroes better than they are, so after serious thought he decides to join the side of the angels to lend a superfast hand. Or is that his real agenda...
9) Dr. Fate. The world's preeminent superteam deserves the world's preeminent mystic.
10) Hal Jordan. A JL standby, the new team needs someone with a history with the core team.
I'm not on board with every version needing the Big 3, though. I'd rather swap them out for:
1) Supergirl: Same powers as her cousin, but a fresher face.
2) Nightwing: Proved during IC that he can, and should be, shoulder to shoulder with the DCU's elite. He's probably more of a team player (and leader) than Bats ever was, is an excellent tactician and has already earned almost everyone's respect.
3) Donna Troy (whatever her supername might be): Would add Wonder Woman's abilities on a fresh face.
Core characters:
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel
Green Lantern John Stewart
Flash Jay Garrick
J'onn J'onzz
2nd Tier Core:
Green Arrow (Ollie)
Black Canary
Captain Atom
Vixen
Steel
Fun Support Characters:
Skyrocket
Janissary
Zauriel
Mogo (when John Stewart is busy)
Odd Man
Frankenstein (from Seven Soldiers)
And maybe Accomplished Perfect Physician from China's Great Ten
JulianPerez
07-09-2006, 03:22 PM
I'm a huge, huge fan of the Englehart Sattellite years, and I can hardly think of a single improvement on his basic roster:
Zatanna
Red Tornado
Black Canary
Elongated Man
The Atom (Ray Palmer)
Aquaman (The original, as much as I like what Busiek is doing)
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
However, there are two characters in the Englehart roster that I would leave out: namely, Green Arrow and Hawkman (or maybe make them occasional guest-stars). The reason for this is, in the Justice League, the louder you are, the more attention you call to yourself. Consequently, the "quieter" characters like Red Tornado fell in the background whereas heroes like Hawkman and Green Arrow got all eyes on themselves.
Hal Jordan belongs in the League, period. He's the Lantern with the most history, and it is history that is the most interesting thing about a character, not their costume or codename.
Another character I'd leave out is the Martian Manhunter. I did like Martian Manhunter's characterization in the recent JLA story arc by Kurt Busiek, where he's a quiet, peace loving and unemotional character, a "slow and steady wins the race" patriarchal figure with patience and detachment. However, I dispute and dislike the entire concept of the so-called "Big Seven" because the Big Seven is an idea that is totally counterfeit. For one thing, the JLA only had a roster of the so-called Seven for LESS THAN ONE ISSUE in BRAVE AND THE BOLD #28 (1960) before getting "Snapper" Carr on.
Now, even assuming that "Snapper" Carr doesn't count as a Leaguer (which is an odd decision, considering that "Snapper," annoying as he was, played a role in many League victories) by JUSTICE LEAGUE #4 (1961), the League had gained Green Arrow as a new member. So in other words, the "Big Seven," even if you discount Snapper (and that's a big discount) only existed for SIX ISSUES. Hardly sufficient to justify itself as the most iconic of all Leagues.
The Martian Manhunter's history with the JLA has been one of missed issues, sometimes as much as a hundred issues at a time. Pointing to him as the "Rock" of the JLA is a view that the actual history itself does not reinforce.
I'm not on board with every version needing the Big 3, though.
I agree with you very much. In the early days, Superman and Batman's participation were simply extensions of the Superman/Batman Team-Ups in WORLD'S FINEST; they showed up to meetings together, and if Superman wasn't there, than Batman wouldn't be, either.
9) Dr. Fate. The world's preeminent superteam deserves the world's preeminent mystic.
Now here, I disagree. Doctor Fate has been a part of JSA group dynamic for decades; he's associated with that group that lumping him in with the JLA would be a shoehorn move.
And anyway, the League already has a mystic: Zatanna. There's no reason to move heaven and earth to bring some new guy in.
Francis
07-09-2006, 05:33 PM
Core members
1: Superman
2: Batman
3: Wonder Woman
4: Martian Manhunter He's been on every version of the JLA, is almost a match for Superman and is a great character.
5: Zantana The JLA needs a mage, and she's a good character.
6: Green Lantern Hal, I think.
7: The Flash: Jessie Quick And she damn well deserves the title. And the JLA needs a Flash.
Support:
Oracle - regularly appears but doesn't go on missions.
Second team:
Bring back the JLElite.
Rotating/Reserve characters:
Nightwing - he's a hell of a field commander (better than anyone currently in the JLA) and not useless doing other things. On the other hand, he's with the Outsiders.
Plastic Man
Other Lanterns
No-nos: Black Canary - read BoP for why - but it's mostly that she thinks and acts on a smaller scale and in more detail than the JLA is set up for. (Although she can be a reserve if necessary).
I'm assuming that Powergirl and Wildcat are still with the JSA.
The Mirrorball Man
07-09-2006, 05:38 PM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern (Kyle)
Flash (Wally)
Steel (Henry)
Starfire
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Starman (Jack)
Alan2099
07-09-2006, 05:39 PM
I'm off the midset that the JLA is supposed to have the big guns, with maybe a couple of minor guys thrown in for contrast.
I've never felt Martian manhunter fit in either of those categories. He's almost like a supporting character most of the time.
So, my team I'd have to go with...
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern (Kyle always struck me as the most intresting of the group, with Guy pulling in at second place)
Hawkman
Firestorm
Green Arrow
Plasticman
Blue Beetle
Booster Gold
J. Robb
07-09-2006, 08:43 PM
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Green Lantern
Zatanna
Atom
Reserve Members: Superman, Batman.
(Okay, I kind of cheated, but Supes and Bats are already in a ton of titles. ;) )
Deus ex Chris
07-09-2006, 09:45 PM
Wonder Woman
Superman
Batman
Green Lanter (Hal): He's such a strong personality with a distinct voice. He is also a nice foil for Batman.
Black Canary: She's a voice of reason. She's also the member that really grounds this group.
Hawkman: He, like Hal, is a strong, distinct voice, which promotes a more interesting group dynamic.
Black Lightning: He's the veteran hero who never made it to the inner circle of the Justice League. He's been doing the hero thing for years, but the trust and respect shared by the six that have each been in that inner circle sometimes makes him feel like the rookie. He, like Black Canary, helps keep the group grounded.
Faith: She really is the rookie--though it doesn't bother her or effect her confidence the way the notion does Black Lightning--and she's the x-factor--the unknown. However, she demonstrates a certain level of loyalty to Batman, which makes Green Lantern and Hawkman uneasy. She's also the most light-hearted member of the group, playing the part of the jokester--though not on the level of Plastic Man.
J. Robb
07-10-2006, 07:33 PM
Looking over this thread again, I noticed I'm not the only one who left Aquaman off the team, a lot of people did. Poor guy.
Also, a couple people mentioned Cyborg stepping up to join the JLA, and I have to say that's a good idea. Not only is he a veteran hero who deserves to be there, he fills a niche power-wise (tech abilities), which I think is just as important for creating a team as just assembling popular heroes.
Jack Zodiac
07-10-2006, 07:41 PM
Looking over this thread again, I noticed I'm not the only one who left Aquaman off the team, a lot of people did. Poor guy.
Maybe if they stopped screwing with him and gave him a solid place in DC for more than a year at a time more people would pick him for dodgeball. :p
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Fatguy
07-10-2006, 09:07 PM
Wonder Woman
Batman
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Firestorm
Green Lantern- Hal
The Flash
Green Arrow
Blue Beetle
Zatanna
Your average list, except maybe Beetle and Firestorm. But thats how I likes my JLA, mostly classic with a little mix of the new :cool:
Martian Manhunter is a JLA must, IMHO. He cant seem to find an audiance in an ongoing solo title (:() but has always thrived in the league. A character that is much too cool to be homeless.
I really think Zatanna needs to work her way back onto the JLA roster, or somebody like her. The team needs a good mystic character that can open up different story avenues. I would say Dr. Fate, as I am not the worlds biggest fan of Zantanna, but its my understanding something happened to him while I was away from comics. Carter died or something and the Fate vestments were sent away.
Paul Newell
07-11-2006, 04:29 AM
Maybe if they stopped screwing with him and gave him a solid place in DC for more than a year at a time more people would pick him for dodgeball. :p
Jack could you take time to check out the rules for the board, please.
Particularly those concerning swearing. :)
Jack Zodiac
07-11-2006, 11:06 AM
Sorry, Paul. I'm too used to posting at City of Heroes where they just censor everything. I have to get back into the habit of watching what I type when I'm not in the community forum. :p
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The Shadow
07-11-2006, 11:12 AM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Black Canary
Green Lantern (Kyle)
Flash (Wally)
Martian Manhunter
Aquaman (Peter David's mean version... no pansy orange shirts)
Zatanna
stormphoenix
07-11-2006, 12:09 PM
now you can get a idea who the finalist for the lineup are!
http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5769
i have a idea who i want...
Kid Kyoto
07-11-2006, 02:26 PM
OK, here are my ground rules...
You need enough popular characters to qualify as the world's greatest super hero team. YOu also need a few characters without their own book or you can't tell any stories without approval from other writers.
And you should be capped at 7 or so.
So...
Superman
Wonderwoman
But NOT Batman
Superman and WW are the core members, valuable, moral, heroic. Batman goes out because putting hin in the JLA requires amping up his skills to the point that he is the Batgod and hurts other stories with him.
Guy Gardner - Green Lantern
Bart Allen - Impulse/Kid Flash/Flash
Because you need some impulsive hot heads and rookies. Bart might be too old now to be rookie, I've not kept up on him, so maybe Blue Beetle or Firestorm instead.
Vril Dox - Brainiac 2, LEGION leader
No idea how to work him in, exile maybe? But he will fill the Martian Manhunter and Batman's master strategist/untrustworthy mastermind role. Also covers the role of team scientist.
Supergirl
I've liked the dynamic of her and Superman, his overprotectiveness and her brashness. This seems the place to use it.
Maxima
OK, this is the witchy heroine role, a witch (ryhmes with another word) makes for good dramatic tension, esp with Supergirl's loyalty and personality up for grabs. It doesn't have to be Maxima, I just want to see an superficial Britney Spears type in the JLA. Booster might work but he's ultimately heroic at his core.
Who's out?
Martian Manhunter - grossly overpowered and not all that interesting
Aguaman - fish out of water, he can be a good character but not if you have boost him to the point he's helping Superman
ALL NON POWERED MARTIAL ARTISTS - Sorry guys, making you useful in the League's cosmic battles requires way too much suspension of disbeleif. I hear the Outsiders and Checkmate are hiring.
JSA Characters - JSA's doing a fine job with them.
Kid Kyoto
07-11-2006, 02:44 PM
Big Guns & Small Espionage Squad
Superman
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Captain Marvel (or Junior)
Dr. Fate
Powergirl
Brainwave
Ray
Captain Atom
Flash (Bart?)
Green Lantern (Any?)
Black Lightning
Metamorpho
Batman
Question
Black Canary (or Catwoman)
Mr Terrific
Nightshade
A general comment on a lot of these lists, when making a list remember you're planning for a comic book not for for an invincible team of warriors.
If you start putting Superman AND Captain Marvel AND Martian Manhunter AND Dr. Fate on the team, who exactly will be able to give them a good fight? And what will Black Canary or Mr. Terrific contribute that those don't already have covered?
Stealth? You have the world's greatest wizard, a guy with x-ray vision and a guy who can shapechange! Oh and two world class telepaths...
Sure you can always invent a new cosmic foe who can beat all of them with one hand but that gets dull. You can amp up a foe the way they did with Ras Al Ghoul but that it makes harder for when someone else wants to put him against Batman alone.
So I think more restraint is needed with these lists.
After all if I wanted an invincible JLA it would just be:
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Dr. Fate
Spectre
Orion
Darkseid (turned good)
Random Guardian of the Universe
Morphius
God Almighty
but it wouldn't make for very good stories.
synthetikdemon
07-12-2006, 08:45 AM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman (Troy)
Firestorm
Green Lantern (Kyle)
Red Tornado
Martian Manhunter
The Flash (Bart)
Green Arrow
Black Canary
Elongated Man
Hawkman
The Atom
Blue Beetle
Captain Marvel
Poor Booster, harldy getting any shout outs :(
Francis
07-12-2006, 05:55 PM
A general comment on a lot of these lists, when making a list remember you're planning for a comic book not for for an invincible team of warriors.
If you start putting Superman AND Captain Marvel AND Martian Manhunter AND Dr. Fate on the team, who exactly will be able to give them a good fight? And what will Black Canary or Mr. Terrific contribute that those don't already have covered?
Stealth? You have the world's greatest wizard, a guy with x-ray vision and a guy who can shapechange! Oh and two world class telepaths...
Sure you can always invent a new cosmic foe who can beat all of them with one hand but that gets dull. You can amp up a foe the way they did with Ras Al Ghoul but that it makes harder for when someone else wants to put him against Batman alone.
So I think more restraint is needed with these lists.
After all if I wanted an invincible JLA it would just be:
Superman
Martian Manhunter
Dr. Fate
Spectre
Orion
Darkseid (turned good)
Random Guardian of the Universe
Morphius
God Almighty
but it wouldn't make for very good stories.
Near-invincible characters and teams can work - you only have to look at Miracleman, Lucifer, and Sandman to see that. Unfortunately, you need to sort out what you are doing with them first in a story to match their power (as all three stories mentioned do). You can't just throw monsters of the week at them. (Actually, that's my objection to Superman anyway - he's had some great stories, but normally I'm rooting for Lex simply because he is so outpowered).
Kid Kyoto
07-13-2006, 12:47 PM
Maybe a judo league is the way to go, vastly overpowered but capable of winning through cleverness. My underpowered league would be:
Batman (behind the scenes leader, strategy)
Black Canary and Green Arrow (field leaders)
Night Wing
Huntress
Booster Gold
Tempest
Cyborg
Zatanna
No world beaters in there, only one of them can even fly but seeing them trying to do Superman and Wonder Woman's job would make for more interesting stories than the Justice League of Dieties
Kid Kyoto
07-13-2006, 01:04 PM
Near-invincible characters and teams can work - you only have to look at Miracleman, Lucifer, and Sandman to see that. Unfortunately, you need to sort out what you are doing with them first in a story to match their power (as all three stories mentioned do). You can't just throw monsters of the week at them. (Actually, that's my objection to Superman anyway - he's had some great stories, but normally I'm rooting for Lex simply because he is so outpowered).
There are a few ways to go wtih an invincible team, one is to focus on internal dynamics, another is clever or witty solutions, and third is to see how they change the world.
Internal dynamics was what made the 80s Squadron Supereme book and Sandman work but when the JLA is made up of characters with iconic status and their own books writers are very limited in what they can do. During Morrison's run there were hints of romance between Wonder Woman and Batman but that can't develop without approval from a dozen people. So it's hard.
Clever witty solutions is what made the Authority tick (back when it was a good comic). But it requires a great artist and it hard to sustain, once we see something once it can't be used again.
Miracle Man was about how a superman might change the world, and it's an interesting way to go but again, the DCU traditionally mirrors the real world so showing the JLA curing world hunger is not an option.
So I think any JLA team has to be weak enough for the monster of the weak to give them a good fight. It also needs some new or otherwise unused characters that the JLA writer has control over.
Smarty Jones
07-20-2006, 10:50 AM
"Ok here is the idea, you get to build your own JLA with as many characters as you like, the only rule being it has to contain the big 3 (Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman), So who would you put in and why?"
Kid Kyoto is right to a degree -- you can create a massively powerful team with a ton of members, but it gets hard to handle such a book. As much as I loved the Geoff Johns Justice Society of America, at one point the team was too powerful -- for one stretch, you had Alan Scott, Dr. Fate, Captain Marvel, Jay Garrick, Black Adam, Jakeem Thunder and Power Girl on the roster, with The Spectre in a recurring role. Then you had Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Stargirl, Sand and Dr. Mid-Nite -- all interesting characters who also deserved visibility. When your team is to the point where you need Mordru, Obsidian and Eclipso forming an alliance to give you a challenge, it's time to scale back.
Given we have to choose Superman and Wonder Woman, that's arguably the two most powerful characters in DC. I feel thet for The JLA to be considered the premier team it needs to cover all the basic skills needed for a dyanmic team but not be obscenely powerful. Also, going with a larger roster allows for more versatility and not an overreliance on several people making all the appearances.
So here's my team:
OBLIGATORY CHOICES:
* BATMAN
* SUPERMAN
* WONDER WOMAN
OTHER ROSTER SELECTIONS:
* UNCLE SAM. It makes sense, given how the planet seems to be despondent with superheroes. A character whose powers are proportionate to the country's faith in the ideals of liberty and freedom could wrest the inspirational role from Superman.
* THE FLASH, WALLY WEST. Another uber-powerful character, but one whose power set allows Superman and Wonder Woman to be more of the strength/flight representation. As a member of the second-generation Teen Titans, Wally West would be a comforting face to ...
* STARFIRE. Like Wonder Woman, she comes from an aggressive culture. She has a long-range power that can be helpful in battle. Unlike The Huntress, though, Starfire is a more controllable.
* GREEN ARROW. He can be the social conscious of the group. Play up his more liberal views, and become an irritant to Batman's driven personality.
* TEMPEST. An Aquaman archetype, but one with offensive powers and mystical skills.
* CYBORG. OK, that's four former Titans. Cyborg gives the team a sophsticated tech expert and his versaility makes him a useful addition, a better fit than someone like Steel.
* MAJOR DISASTER. The revamped version adds the dark hero, and his powers definitely provide a decidedly powerful, unique dyanmic.
* MISTER MIRACLE, SCOTT FREE. A master of escape tricks, he can build the new Watchtower, making it an impenetrable fortress. Seeing him, Batman and Cyborg create some gadgets could be awesome.
* THE ATOM, RAY PALMER. A character who got a raw deal in "Identity Crisis." The resident scientist and all-around good guy.
* BRAINWAVE. Like Major Disaster, a former villain. He gives the team a major-league telepath like J'onn J'onzz, but without the other Superman-derivative abilities.
That's my squad -- it certainly has some power, but not TOO powerful. You have classic JLA members mixed in with newer members and some new additions. You pretty much cover all the areas of team dynamics.
Ontir
07-20-2006, 11:38 AM
Green Arrow Team Leader Passionate, but wears his politics on his sleave, & some find it grating.
Black Canary Not so thrilled to see him
Starman (New) Interested in Dinah, pissing of Ollie.
Tornado Hot red-head host of the elemental.
Black Lightning Doesn't want to be there, HAS to be.
Zatanna After "7 Soldiers" she's trying to re-establish herself as a first-stringer.
Firestorm Feeling thrown in the deep end, and trying to keep up.
Power Girl Certain she'd be a better leader - and she might be right.
Tomorrow Girl Re-booted and raring to go. That's her story & she's sticking to it!
Elongated Man Not the same guy. The loss of Sue has embittered him, and he's looking for a fight. Any fight, anywhere, anytime, always.
Green Lanter John Stewart While he and Ollie like each other, the "your not Hal" stuff is wearing thin.
Aquaman If he has to hear one more anti-Monarchist speach, he's going to feed Ollie to a Kraken!
Gypsy Back in the game, and committed to it.
Vixen Everyone agrees that her joining was a good idea, they just don't know whose.
J. Robb
07-20-2006, 07:34 PM
If you want to go full-out franchise with the League, here's some ideas for books and teams:
Justice League All-Stars
The A-Squad, these heroes gather for the biggest threats. This book is "widescreen action" series, mostly plot-driven as these heroes are the elite and trust eachother 100%, there is little drama between them:
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, Green Lantern, Zatanna. (Occasionally Robin comes along.)
Justice League America
The regular team, ready for threats big and small, and quite the collection of personalities:
Green Arrow, Atom, Hawkgirl, Cyborg, Starfire, Firestorm, Plastic Man. (Black Canary when she has time.)
Justice League Academy
This series is about the League's efforts to reach out to the metahuman community, helping them deal with their powers and guiding those who wish to become superheroes. The Academy is headed by Ralph Dibny.
Global Guardians
Not a Justice League team, but I thought I'd share anyways: :p
Aquaman, Captain Atom, Jack O'Lantern, Dr. Light, Geo-Force, Vixen, Alpha Centurion, Maya.
BeastieRunner
07-20-2006, 09:51 PM
Leaders
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Main Roster
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern (John)
Zatanna
Aquaman
Hawkgirl
Starfire
Cyborg
Reserves
Flash (Bart)
Green Arrow
Captain Marvel
Robin
Power Girl
Supergirl (Kara)
Red Tornado
Plastic Man
Booster Gold
Atom (whoever it is now)
AaronJ
07-21-2006, 12:00 AM
OK, I'm basing my choices on the idea that the JLA should be the creme de la creme.
THE BIG THREE:
Wonder Woman
Superman
Batman
THE BEST OF THE REST:
Zatanna: For my money, she is about as powerful as anyone in the whole DCU, when she has her mojo. "Namrepus peels!" And they need someone with magic skills. Plus, fishnets.
Supergirl: Like I said, the creme de la creme, and Kara is just about as powerful as anyone around. She's a little rough around the edges, but there is little she can't handle.
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan, Test Pilot): Hal's the man. I know it's an Esleworlds, but I love the story of Hal in the prison camp in "Red Son". That sort of willpower is ... well, he should be in the JLA.
Animal Man: Buddy has abilities that no one else really has. He's familiar with space. But, most importantly, it's critical to have someone on the team who knows that he is comic book character.
Starfire: Another one who is familiar with space adventures. She's very powerful, very smart, and deserves to play with the big boys and girls.
Bart: He's the Flash, and the JLA needs a speedster. I thought about others, but in the end, again, Bart is the Flash. He's the one.
So, that's it: Diana, Kal, Bruce, Zatanna, Kara, Hal, Buddy, Kory, and Bart. Four women, five men. One magic woman, one speedster, one GL, one incredibly hot alien with round, green eyes, one regular guy with the ability to do whatever an animal can, and a hot, uber-powerful teenager with anger management issues. Plus the Tirinity.
Interesting personalities all, too.
Matchstick
07-21-2006, 12:28 AM
Blue Beetle-- Jaime Hernandez
Wow, I had no idea the Love and Rockets co-creator (and my favorite comic artist) was the new Blue Beetle!;)
I think you mean Jaime Reyes.
Anyway...
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
These three are members but aren't there all the time, they all have other priorities, esp. Batman.
Plastic Man, good goofy character and virtually indestructible
Mister Miracle (Scott Free), a character I enjoy and feel is underused, which also means...
Big Barda, she goes where he does. Also provides the team with some more muscle.
Cyborg, like others have said, he deserves his shot on the big stage of the JLA
Rebis, NOT Negative Man. A truly strange character I loved in Morrison's Doom Patrol. I think S/he still exists somewhere.
Raven, as many have said you need a magic user. I never cared too much for Zatanna (except for her interactions with John Constantine) and Dr. Fate is more of a JSA guy.
Green Lantern (John Stewart), I would say Guy, but I like him with the Corps in space, and John could use the spotlight.
Flash, preferably Wally. Bart would be all right I guess. Definitely NOT Jay (JSA stalwart) or Barry for god's sake (let's not cheapen his heroic death by pulling a Jean Grey).
Ronnigon
07-21-2006, 02:55 AM
I would personally like to see a Justice League that is more of a brain trust... a think tank.
To this end, I would like to see in my Justice League:
Bruce Wayne
Metron
Oracle
The Question
Oliver Queen
Brainiac-5
Raven
Orion
Hawk
Dove
Can anyone else think of any benevolent characters in the DC Universe, who would bring a unique strategic or conceptual aptitude to such a group?
Remember... Brilliantly strategic thinkers like Lex Luthor or others, don't count... Except, perhaps, to the extent that they might be "wild cards", riding the fence between good and evil.
That's why -- with "wild cards" in mind, I suggested Metron of the New Gods.
Bobster777
07-21-2006, 03:02 AM
Here is my team:
Superman
Wonder Woman
Captain Marvel
Steel
Martian Hunter
Power Girl
Captain Atom
CAT-DAL
07-21-2006, 03:07 AM
Superman
Wonder Woman
Guy Gardener
Dr.Fate
Mister Miracle
Power Girl
Animal Man
Booster Gold
Green Arrow
Manhunter
PastePotPete
07-21-2006, 07:31 AM
Wow, I had no idea the Love and Rockets co-creator (and my favorite comic artist) was the new Blue Beetle!;)
I think you mean Jaime Reyes.
Anyway...
Actually, I DID mean Jaime Hernandez. Here's my new league!
BLUE BEETLE--Jaime Hernandez
SUPERMAN--Grant Morrison (he's from another planet...)
BOOSTER GOLD--Geoff Johns (golden boy who travels through time, fixing continuity)
BATMAN--John Byrne (when his last four series were mercilessly gunned down he swore vengeance!)
WONDERWOMAN--Gail Simone (able to hold her own in man's world)
FLASH--John Romita Jr. (the legacy hero!)
And, of course, their nemesis: BRIAN MICHAEL LEX LUTHOR! Bald mastermind behind the competition's best-selling superteam!
Jessica Drew
07-21-2006, 08:51 AM
Actually, I DID mean Jaime Hernandez. Here's my new league!
BLUE BEETLE--Jaime Hernandez
SUPERMAN--Grant Morrison (he's from another planet...)
BOOSTER GOLD--Geoff Johns (golden boy who travels through time, fixing continuity)
BATMAN--John Byrne (when his last four series were mercilessly gunned down he swore vengeance!)
WONDERWOMAN--Gail Simone (able to hold her own in man's world)
FLASH--John Romita Jr. (the legacy hero!)
And, of course, their nemesis: BRIAN MICHAEL LEX LUTHOR! Bald mastermind behind the competition's best-selling superteam!
That's hilarious!
The Rusty Lantern
07-21-2006, 09:03 AM
The Trinity:
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
My Additions:
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan): The Prodigal
Flash (Bart Allen): The Rookie
Aquaman: The Outcast
Martian Manhunter: The Veteran
I just don't think you can beat the Magnificent Seven, and with the many changes that these characters have experienced lately, I think it's a whole new dynamic.
element13
07-22-2006, 12:01 PM
okay...i'll give this a try
superman- because i had to
batman- because i had to
wonder woman- because i had to
the rest of my league
zatanna- could quite possibly be one of the most powerful people in comic history
supergirl- there's little she can't handle
starfire- she deserves to play in the big leagues
jade- c'mon...we need her back in a big way
vixen- underrated...very very underrated
gypsy- has potential
jesse quick- she's underused and underrated
raven- she adds mystery to the team and well as some extra power
powergirl-she's a fun character
natasha irons- i always liked her
tornado- the female version of red tornado
miss martian- i never liked john, but i like her...and she has the same powers
katana- i like her attitude, and i'd like her to train under batman and wonder woman
hawk girl-a little extra muscle
shift- unique powers
blackfire- stars sister would be a good villian turned hero and it would make good conflict between them
huntress- needs to become the next batman
*okay...the teams a little big but i would love this team personally. just take out batman and superman and it would be my dream team
SlightlyMad
07-22-2006, 05:57 PM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter (It aint the same without J'onn!)
Animal Man
Major Disaster
Green Lantern (Kyle/Ion or Guy)
Steel
Atom
Plastic Man
Zatanna
Green Arrow (Ollie)
EZMOHR
07-22-2006, 06:01 PM
It's good to see the Major Disaster love. But, didn't he die in IC #7. His neck looked like it was broken by SBP. Maybe it wasn't him, but it looked like him.
SlightlyMad
07-22-2006, 06:45 PM
It's good to see the Major Disaster love. But, didn't he die in IC #7. His neck looked like it was broken by SBP. Maybe it wasn't him, but it looked like him.
Just checked, looks like you're right.
s***!:evilangry
Jeff F
07-22-2006, 06:54 PM
I would roll with:
Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Martian Manhunter (It isn't the league without J'onn)
Captain Marvel
Power Girl
Mr. Terrific
Steel
Ray Palmer
Power with genius to back it. A field team and a base team. Good stuff.
Frostbite883
07-23-2006, 09:47 PM
Justice League of America:
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman(Diana)
Flash(Barry Allen)
Green Lantern(Hal Jordan)
Aquaman('original' Arthur Curry)
Martian Manhunter
JLElite:
Eradicator
Artemis
Azrael(he didn't die after all)
Dark Flash
Bloodwynd
Tempest - Garth would be the team's rookie.
Guy Gardner - he can be the leader of this team, while John Stewart can train the new Green Lanterns. Hey, John earn it, Dang it! :mad:
This team would fighting and protecting the planet from all around the world.
And they would also be nicknamed "The Anti-League". Plus, this sort of thing
would make a dark, grim and grusome Vetigo comic. :cool:
The entire DC universe of heroes. Most of them are on it anyways.
chrismileslord
07-26-2006, 01:46 AM
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman - Donna (I dunno, let Diana go I guess)
Flash - Bart....just Bart
Nightwing
Green Lanter (ION) - Kyle
Steel....he is just smart, and is a great character.
would be a great setup if you have to use the big three...but honestly, something I think would be interesting is creating a JLA without them...
for example
Nightwing.
Supergirl.
WonderGirl.
Flash - Bart
Green Lantern - Kyle is the best IMO...but I am wrong about a lot of things...
Atom - yes...the new one Ryan Choi
Zantanna - gotta have some magic
Hawkgirl...c'mon. seriously. Give her a chance.
one more. but it is a two way tie.
Powergirl - she is maybe overkill...but could make up for Wondergirl in areas
...your gonna laugh, but...
Catwoman. It could make it interesting. I mean. You would never think.
Two teams. I would love to see the second one. It would be amazing. Well, at least to me.
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