Wolverine #43 spoilers

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Wolverine #43 came out today and what an issue. Logan is still tracking down Nitro. He is following his tracks for some 3000 miles. He finally meets up with the guys who gave Nitro a ride out of New York. Logan in his not so subtale way convinces them to reveal where Nitro is hiding.

Iron Man is searching for Logan but Logan gets the jump on him. Tony basically confirms that the 198 mean thats how many mutants are left in the world and all are automatically registered. Although them complying is another thing. Logan gives Tony the where about of Nitro and agree's to go along for the ride. Tony assumes Logan is joining his side of the registration act, but the internal monoluge shows Logan is really not on the registration side. So Wolverine and the shield agents assigned to take down superhumans go after Nitro.

We interlude to a man surfing who is being observed by a man and a woman. They appear to be the trio after Nitro the solicates talked about. The man surfing is confronted for being a jerk by three humans and beats them sensless in seconds.

Back to Logan and Shield when the find Nitro. They do not go for the elimate of suprise but rather a start forward approch. The plan is to pile on Nitro before he can blow everyone to high hell. Wolverine thinks its a horrible idea and like he thought everyone dies. We then get five panels showing Wolverine being burned alive. At the end Wolverine is just adimantium bones. All his flesh and organs have been burned away.

Nitro then gets a phone call from someone heading to the white house. Nitro brags about killing Captin Marvel, New Warriors and now Wolverine. A hat trick he says. The person he is talking to says Nitro is a marked man and he hangs up on him.

We go back to the trio who are now talking to the driver who gave Nitro a ride out of Stamford. He tells them everything but the young black man takes him out anyway. The woman says its because he doesn't like anyone of their kind. Humans that is.

Nitro is walking back to his car when Wolverine appears behind him and knocks him down. He pops one claw, then two and then three and says this is his hat trick. To be continued next month....





Wow what an issues. The artwork is so much better than Origins. AT least Wolverine looks like Wolverine here. Also the search for Nitro is great. I like that Wolverine is staying out of the main part of Civil War and doing his own thing. Also now Wolverine can heal up from only being a skeleton. WOW!!!:eek: He now becomes practically unbeatable.

Grade: A

[Flight]

Also now Wolverine can heal up from only being a skeleton. WOW!!!:eek: What do you mean "now"?
He's done this before.

[Sam T.]

Looking forward to this issue...this art is in no way better than Wolverine:Origins!!

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

What do you mean "now"?
He's done this before.



He has never heal up from just his skeleton without it being a plot device. Although in X-men #150 he did go into the sun, so who knows what would be burned away there.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Looking forward to this issue...this art is in no way better than Wolverine:Origins!!


The art is 100 times better. The artists who draws Wolverine in Origins does not know how to draw Wolverine. HIs face is way to sleek and slender to be Wolverine. To many soft points in his face.

[Flight]

He has never heal up from just his skeleton without it being a plot device. Although in X-men #150 he did go into the sun, so who knows what would be burned away there. LOL!
Just LOL...

[Red Lotus]

Iron Man is searching for Logan but Logan gets the jump on him. Tony basically confirms that the 198 mean thats how many mutants are left in the world


Not really. What he said was one of the 198 mutants-at-large which I think means 198 mutants they know of and have identified.

As for the issue it self. I would have to agree it was A pretty good issue and one of the better Civil War cross over. I have no clue who the surfer is. Is he with Namor or something else I dont know and I cant wait to find out.

The guy going to the white house and what happens with SHIELD in front line 2 makes it look like Civil War has a master mind.

[Sam T.]

The art is 100 times better. The artists who draws Wolverine in Origins does not know how to draw Wolverine. HIs face is way to sleek and slender to be Wolverine. To many soft points in his face.



Are you kidding me?? My friend nearly threw up when he saw how this guy was drawing wolverine!!

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Are you kidding me?? My friend nearly threw up when he saw how this guy was drawing wolverine!!


At least his Wolverine does not look like a female with facial hair. The art is far fro great but compared to Origins its A+ material.

At least he draws Wolverine edgier and rougher like how he is usually drawn. Not some sleek and slender female version like over in Origins.

[Sam T.]

Hey, that Steve Dillion knows how to draw!

[Beast]

So Wolverine regenerates from nothing now? Even though it's been stated numerous times that losing the majority of his bodily tissues and his precious fluids would kill him. Stupid as frackin' hell. :rolleyes:

[Sam T.]

So Wolverine regenerates from nothing now? Even though it's been stated numerous times that losing the majority of his bodily tissues and his precious fluids would kill him. Stupid as frackin' hell. :rolleyes:



Yeah they really need to tone down that healing factor...its getting damn crazy!!

[Beast]

Yeah they really need to tone down that healing factor...its getting damn crazy!!
I miss when he used to be bad ass, because he took a lickin' and then came back to kick some ass. Now he gets totally annihilated, and then regenerates when there shouldn't be anything left to regenerate from. Blah. :p

[Cowlander]

Also now Wolverine can heal up from only being a skeleton. WOW!!!:eek: He now becomes practically unbeatable.



Wow thats stupid, hes even turning unbeatable in his own book. Before he was atleast reasonable with his powers but now....

::cries::

[Fats Tuesday]

Are you kidding me?? My friend nearly threw up when he saw how this guy was drawing wolverine!!

If your friend finds an artists representation of Wolverine to be something that cause him to nearly throw up, that friend is very, very sad.

[Xanrn]

Yeah thats a bit much regenarating from a Skeleton.

He managed to survive in 150 because Jean was with him and she Phoenix'ed him.

[Doom Hammer]

The skeleton thing was annoying.

The rest was...well, highly enjoyable. It feels like Wolverine is the real Wolverine again, not arm-eating, emo-ing, loser Wolverine. I really like Wolverine when he's written well.

And look! He's fighting people! Without his claws! My God, someone realizes that you don't stab people unless you want to kill them! Thank you, Marc Guggenheim!

[bounusball75]

I love wolverine but Its gunna take the whole Marvel U to kill him now. I mean Whats next fry him to a crisp, then seperate the bones and spread them across the globe. That probably wouldn't work cause they would some how find each other and he would be good as new.....I hate this stuff.

[Jake V]

I love wolverine but Its gunna take the whole Marvel U to kill him now. I mean Whats next fry him to a crisp, then seperate the bones and spread them across the globe. That probably wouldn't work cause they would some how find each other and he would be good as new.....I hate this stuff.
Better stop reading comics.

It's not gonna change.

[Beast]

Better stop reading comics.

It's not gonna change.
Well, it will under better writers. Almost noone else writes him this twinkish.

[Panopticblue]

Man, this was a really great issue right up until he got reduced to a skeleton...

My God, so Wolverine is basically invincible. It's retarded. And really detracts from the otherwise pretty good writing. Why on earth Guggenheim had to stoop to that level is beyond me. So lame.

I was actually thinking "wow, what a great issue" up until that point. Then I just wanted to throw the comic across the room.:mad:

[Hellcow]

I do love the art work in this right now.

What else has this guy done?

[Foley]

The whole regenerating from a skeleton and the skeleton having red eyes was pretty lame. It was a good issue otherwise though

[Schmakt]

I do love the art work in this right now.

What else has this guy done?

I HIGHLY recommend his work on Dark Horse's Revalations with Paul Jenkins...

Also with Jenkins, I enjoyed his Spectacular Spider-Man run. Good stuff. I really really like Ramos as an artist. (and, for sake of the debate HATE Steve Dillon on Origins... I dropped that title after 2 dispite liking the story b/c the artwork is so bad.)


Man, this was a really great issue right up until he got reduced to a skeleton...

My God, so Wolverine is basically invincible. It's retarded. And really detracts from the otherwise pretty good writing. Why on earth Guggenheim had to stoop to that level is beyond me. So lame.

I was actually thinking "wow, what a great issue" up until that point. Then I just wanted to throw the comic across the room.:mad:


As for this issue, this is exactly how I felt too. It was really good up until the skeleton thing. That was one of the stupidest things I've seen in comics in a while. The whole eyes glowing red thing was dumb too. I just kept hoping that that was going to be a Wolverine robot or something... ANYTHING other than him actually getting burned down to his skeleton. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Ruined the issue, really...

[Will.S]

Yeah I really disliked the whole skeleton thing. Guggenheim should have approached it at a more plausible angle without the need to go through such direct contact.

Given Nitro's powers, he should have rightly been killed but Guggenheim pulls another Daniel Way and has him regenerate from his damn skeleton. I dunno, while the issue in itself was really good with some terrific build up into Nitro's whereabouts, that just brought the story down alot as it (along with the Venom mini) shows one of the most extreme portrayals of his healing factor ever.

[Sam T.]

Well, it will under better writers. Almost noone else writes him this twinkish.



wow twinkish...I'm not even sure what that means. But Wolverine is written better lately...

[DoctorDoom]

Ummm.. how does he regenerate from a skeleton if there is no skin tissue left (as far as I could tell) . I know he has a healing factor but I could have sworn some skin has to be there for a healing of that magnitude to work. Maybe I'm wrong...or a Doombot. Someone please let me know.

[Hi-Fi]

I enjoyed this issue a lot, but the skeleton thing annoyed the hell out of me.

[garin]

The skeleton was kinda silly, but it didnt even bother me since I'm loving this arc so much. There could have been some surviving cells on his back, or something. The writer is new to comics, he probably asked the editors what the limit of Wolvy's healing powers are and got the okay.

When I've seen Nitro pre-CW, I don't remember his powers having such a powerful heat component, it seemed to be mostly concussive force. I guess that's what those pills he's popping are for. It'll be very interesting to see who's been assisting him, and it seems like we'll get a few lngering questions about CW #1 answered in this arc.

[Cyke]

Anyone else think that if Nitro had maintained fire, that Wolverine would be dead? Maybe he wasn't as thorough as the Days of Future Past Sentinel.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Anyone else think that if Nitro had maintained fire, that Wolverine would be dead? Maybe he wasn't as thorough as the Days of Future Past Sentinel.

I don't know what maintaining the fire would have done. When Nitro left the battlefield Wolverine was just a skeleton. Him continuing to burn the skeleton would have done nothing else that wasn't already done.


The problem with talking about the DOTFP Setinal is that since Clarment was writting the X-men Wolverine's healing factor has slowly be gaining strength to where it is now. Insane levels of regeneration. Right now his healing factor is better than the Hulk's. Only the future Masetro version of the Hulk has a better healing factor than Wolverine's. Its just sick!!

For those of use that liked the old Wolverine that could not have healed from basically anything, we just have to get over it. I think his healing factor is getting quite crazy at times, although the actual panels depicting it was pretty freakin cool. I would not mind him with a lesser healing factor as long as he could not die of old age like the Hulk. I always thought that dying of old age with a healing factor present was a bit illogical. His healing factor stops cells from dying. Without cells that die permantly and never reform, how could one die?

[Cyke]

I don't know what maintaining the fire would have done. When Nitro left the battlefield Wolverine was just a skeleton. Him continuing to burn the skeleton would have done nothing else that wasn't already done.


The problem with talking about the DOTFP Setinal is that since Clarment was writting the X-men Wolverine's healing factor has slowly be gaining strength to where it is now. Insane levels of regeneration. Right now his healing factor is better than the Hulk's. Only the future Masetro version of the Hulk has a better healing factor than Wolverine's. Its just sick!!

For those of use that liked the old Wolverine that could not have healed from basically anything, we just have to get over it. I think his healing factor is getting quite crazy at times, although the actual panels depicting it was pretty freakin cool. I would not mind him with a lesser healing factor as long as he could not die of old age like the Hulk. I always thought that dying of old age with a healing factor present was a bit illogical. His healing factor stops cells from dying. Without cells that die permantly and never reform, how could one die?

We know that everytime Wolverine's been burned down to the bone (say, sections of his arm or his chest or whatever), he's stated that his adamantium has to cool down in order for his regeneration process to start. It's not as if his cells are fireproof enough to develop over metal that's five-hundred-degrees hot and climbing (or else his flesh wouldn't be burned away in the first place).

We also know that Wolverine was out of the fight for a decent amount of time. We don't know how long, but we know the skeleton had to have been at least cool enough for Wolverine to start coming back.

If Nitro hadn't gotten cocky and stayed on the battlefield, continually blazing through Logan's skeleton, there'd be no chance for his cells to regenerate. Keep it down long enough and Logan's as good as dead. It's a matter of keeping the healing factor at bay.

As for Days of Future Past, we do have to remember that these are future Sentinels, as well Sentinels that were strong enough and advanced enough to wipe out Earth's superheroes and villains, including the Hulk and Doom, and strong enough to imprison Magneto, Rachel Summers, and Franklin Richards. It was the same tech that gave birth to Nimrod, a guy who could beat the Juggernaut, so it's not out of the way to imagine that future tech could vaporize Logan.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

We know that everytime Wolverine's been burned down to the bone (say, sections of his arm or his chest or whatever), he's stated that his adamantium has to cool down in order for his regeneration process to start. It's not as if his cells are fireproof enough to develop over metal that's five-hundred-degrees hot and climbing (or else his flesh wouldn't be burned away in the first place).

We also know that Wolverine was out of the fight for a decent amount of time. We don't know how long, but we know the skeleton had to have been at least cool enough for Wolverine to start coming back.

If Nitro hadn't gotten cocky and stayed on the battlefield, continually blazing through Logan's skeleton, there'd be no chance for his cells to regenerate. Keep it down long enough and Logan's as good as dead. It's a matter of keeping the healing factor at bay.

As for Days of Future Past, we do have to remember that these are future Sentinels, as well Sentinels that were strong enough and advanced enough to wipe out Earth's superheroes and villains, including the Hulk and Doom, and strong enough to imprison Magneto, Rachel Summers, and Franklin Richards. It was the same tech that gave birth to Nimrod, a guy who could beat the Juggernaut, so it's not out of the way to imagine that future tech could vaporize Logan.


1. Except Nitto was not off the battlefield for more than a few minutes at best. After Wolverine is just adimantium someone calls him. The conversation is very breif. By the time the conversation is done, Wolverine is back attacking him. The point I am trying to make is it seems that as long as there is just his brain he can heal up in minutes. Which a abasic fire blast would not kill his brain. Cause its protected by his skeleton.

2. Keeping the healing factor at bay seems to be impossible. Cause when he destroys Wolverine at some stage his healing factor keeps working to keep a few cells alive. That way it can heal up minutes later.

3. See my problem with DOTFP is unless Franklin is depowered there is no way on earth they could capture him. His powers are what ever he imagines. He can re-write the entire human existance with but a thought. Also Setinals killing the Hulk is pretty far fetched also. The guys power levels are insane. DOTFP was written so long ago it just doesn't flow with charecters power levels today. Wolverine would not be killed by a setinal when

a. he has gone into the sun. Maybe just the fringes but that feet alone is crazy.
b. Now he can heal up with no skin, no flesh, no internal organs other than his brain.


DOTFP is so dated on Marvel it can not be contended for any source of info other than an incredible story or a possible idea for what the future holds. I mean as of right now Rachel can chanel part of the Phoenix force and make a mini blackhole. A mini blackhole!!!:eek:

Wolverine could not be killed by a single concussive blast from a setinal just like Franklin could never be held captive by setinals. Even with a restraint collar his powers would override said collar. He can make whatever he imagines.

[Cyke]

3. See my problem with DOTFP is unless Franklin is depowered there is no way on earth they could capture him. His powers are what ever he imagines. He can re-write the entire human existance with but a thought. Also Setinals killing the Hulk is pretty far fetched also. The guys power levels are insane. DOTFP was written so long ago it just doesn't flow with charecters power levels today. Wolverine would not be killed by a setinal when

a. he has gone into the sun. Maybe just the fringes but that feet alone is crazy.
b. Now he can heal up with no skin, no flesh, no internal organs other than his brain.


DOTFP is so dated on Marvel it can not be contended for any source of info other than an incredible story or a possible idea for what the future holds. I mean as of right now Rachel can chanel part of the Phoenix force and make a mini blackhole. A mini blackhole!!!:eek:

Wolverine could not be killed by a single concussive blast from a setinal just like Franklin could never be held captive by setinals. Even with a restraint collar his powers would override said collar. He can make whatever he imagines.

With Days of Future Past, we never see how the Sentinels killed/captured all those heroes, just that they did. For all we know, after defeating Reed and Doom and Xavier, they assimilated all that advanced tech. Maybe they forced Hulk to revert to Banner, then offed him. Maybe they created energy fields that could counter Rachel (after all, Reed's beaten mini black holes before, and Shi'Ar tech utilizes black holes). Maybe they used psychological devices to beat Franklin back (what good is your imagination if you can't use it?). Besides, Franklin in modern times has no power whatsoever. Why can't future tech duplicate that feat?

How they got there is unimportant. The fact that they got there is, and if Days of Future Past were so dated as you claim, 20 years of Marvel stories wouldn't come from it with ramifications that continue to this day.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

With Days of Future Past, we never see how the Sentinels killed/captured all those heroes, just that they did. For all we know, after defeating Reed and Doom and Xavier, they assimilated all that advanced tech. Maybe they forced Hulk to revert to Banner, then offed him. Maybe they created energy fields that could counter Rachel (after all, Reed's beaten mini black holes before, and Shi'Ar tech utilizes black holes). Maybe they used psychological devices to beat Franklin back (what good is your imagination if you can't use it?). Besides, Franklin in modern times has no power whatsoever. Why can't future tech duplicate that feat?

How they got there is unimportant. The fact that they got there is, and if Days of Future Past were so dated as you claim, 20 years of Marvel stories wouldn't come from it with ramifications that continue to this day.


I think you misunderstood. I think the idea of DOTFP is great and still works today. I think the actual story in UXM #141 and #142 doesn't work. Just those events exactly don't work.

I mean you even have to admit that the story and how it depicts Logan's age is dated. NOw a days his healing factor does not show him dying from possible old age for over 100 years. While in the original DOTFP it showed him dying of old age before Peter or Kitty were even old men and woman. Kitty was not in her fifties. Also Franklin's powers when DOTFP came out were very unclear. Obviously he had some mutant powers because he had a mutant collar to nulify his powers on but it never show the extent of his powers. Also wasn't he killed rather quickly from a Setinal. If he had mutant powers as the collar would indicate he would have stopped the setinal in its tracks.

To me the idea of DOTFP works just not that particular story. The conept is great and will forever be in X-men history, but to me the story is dated as people who were captured or alive then's powers are severly underestimated.

Although you make some good points about Reed, Doom, Hulk and Phoenix's power.

[Cyke]

I mean you even have to admit that the story and how it depicts Logan's age is dated. NOw a days his healing factor does not show him dying from possible old age for over 100 years. While in the original DOTFP it showed him dying of old age before Peter or Kitty were even old men and woman.

Wait, who was dying of old age before Peter and Kitty were seniors? If you mean Logan, he was still holding himself quite well, a la Hal Jordan with gray hair.

I'm not sure about X-Men: The End, but I think Logan is depicted with a slight shade of gray hair. Not as prominent as Days of Future Past, nor is The End even canon, but if I'm right about Logan having slight gray hair in The End, then there's a slight precedent about how Logan ages.

Kitty was not in her fifties.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

Also Franklin's powers when DOTFP came out were very unclear. Obviously he had some mutant powers because he had a mutant collar to nulify his powers on but it never show the extent of his powers.

However, by the time the story was published, little Franklin Richards already displayed phenomenal power in Fantastic Four. The readers, and Claremont, already had a pretty good idea of what Richards could accomplish, which is one of the reasons why he was shown as captured by the Sentinels: to show how much of a threat they were.

Also wasn't he killed rather quickly from a Setinal. If he had mutant powers as the collar would indicate he would have stopped the setinal in its tracks.

Not necessarily. As Molecule Man has proven, being near-omnipotent doesn't automatically save you from even basic attacks. As we've seen in FF, Generation X, Fantastic Force, etc, Franklin Richards is just as vulnerable as the rest of us inspite of his power.

To me the idea of DOTFP works just not that particular story. The conept is great and will forever be in X-men history, but to me the story is dated as people who were captured or alive then's powers are severly underestimated.

Again, we've got to take into account that the Sentinels are using future tech, and future tech is almost synonymous with magic (or else, there'd be no point in using future tech).

Even the Onslaught sentinels were holding off some of Earth's strongest heroes at bay, and an armada of modern-day Sentinels were stalling Wonder Man, Firebird, and Thor in the Kang War.

[stillanerd]

Pop quiz: which Wolverine regeneration is more ridiculous.

This:

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7466/11515646571383id6tp.th.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7258/whatthe7za3td.th.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7941/heal23cc7mq.th.jpg

[stillanerd]

or this?:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/918/wolverinenuke17pb.th.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4296/wolverinenuke24ne.th.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/360/wolverinenuke38lz.th.jpg

[Madrox84]

This issue was pretty good, but the skeleton thing was a bit too much.

[rwsmith]

So Wolverine regenerates from nothing now? Even though it's been stated numerous times that losing the majority of his bodily tissues and his precious fluids would kill him. Stupid as frackin' hell. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that's pretty awful IMO. I'm one of the biggest Wolverine fans out there, but when they do stuff like this it just ticks me off. I liked it when it often took him days to heal from serious wounds and he actually had to use some skill in battle.

Why in the heck did Logan think it would be a good idea to run head-on into Nitro? He should be smarter than that. He should've hung back, and then snuck up on Nitro after he blew up and incinerated the moronic SHIELD agents who let him know they were coming.

Scenes like this let me know that Marvel just does not understand the character of Wolverine anymore. He's basically a parody of his former self. The healing factor should not be what defines the character, rather it's just an advantage he has over other heroes, much like his heightened senses (which are often overplayed as well IMO).

Personally, I think something needs to happen to bring Logan back to the bad@$$ status he enjoyed in the 80's. Perhaps his powers suddenly go on the fritz, and his healing factor starts to slow down or something? That would make him have to be smarter and more careful in a fight. He would actually have to utilize his training and skills instead of just always relying on his healing factor to save him.

[bagheera]

Alas, I agree! To have him regenerate in mere minutes from a skeleton is inane. Given the heat of the fire, neither his brain tissue nor bone marrow would have survived. None of it! Even if one cell had survived to have him completely regenerate in a few minutes is even too ridiculous for comics.

I am a diehard Wolverine fan, but this is just absurd and does indeed make him a parody of himself. I liked the idea of him having sent in a decoy robot of himself to fry and then sneaking up on Nitro, but given the fact that he didn't have time to plan that and that Wolverine shows up naked, it would seem clear that they are saying he regenerated from fried bones.


PLEASE!!!!! Stop with this bastardization of a good character. Otherwise, I liked where the story was going!

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Yeah, that's pretty awful IMO. I'm one of the biggest Wolverine fans out there, but when they do stuff like this it just ticks me off. I liked it when it often took him days to heal from serious wounds and he actually had to use some skill in battle.

Why in the heck did Logan think it would be a good idea to run head-on into Nitro? He should be smarter than that. He should've hung back, and then snuck up on Nitro after he blew up and incinerated the moronic SHIELD agents who let him know they were coming.

Scenes like this let me know that Marvel just does not understand the character of Wolverine anymore. He's basically a parody of his former self. The healing factor should not be what defines the character, rather it's just an advantage he has over other heroes, much like his heightened senses (which are often overplayed as well IMO).

Personally, I think something needs to happen to bring Logan back to the bad@$$ status he enjoyed in the 80's. Perhaps his powers suddenly go on the fritz, and his healing factor starts to slow down or something? That would make him have to be smarter and more careful in a fight. He would actually have to utilize his training and skills instead of just always relying on his healing factor to save him.


Him taking on Nitro head on was exactly what Wolverine would do. There were people, agents mind you but still people who Nitro was going to kill. When has Wolverine ever sat back and watched people get killed. Going out and trying to save those stupid agents is what makes Wolverine a hero. For you to say different means you don;t really know Wolverine.

Wolverine would never sit by when he knew people were going to get killed. Wolverine is not an anti-hero, he is flat out 100% hero. He jumped down to try and stop Nitro from obliterating everyone. Its what a hero does.

[mandog]

So Wolverine regenerates from nothing now? Even though it's been stated numerous times that losing the majority of his bodily tissues and his precious fluids would kill him. Stupid as frackin' hell. :rolleyes:

this shit irks me to no end. I just about threw the issue out at that point. The art sucks, but I can look past that. Wolvies bones regenerating tissue thats just f'n stupid.

[Porcelain]

I'm just gonna close my eyes and pretend the whole healing with no flesh from a skeleton thing didn't just happen over a 30 second phone call - I only miss...what, 2 panels?

(Maybe I'm just numb after the arm eating incident)

Other than that, I have to say I loved this issue. Guggenheim has brought back a Wolverine that I haven't seen for a very long time: one that can actually think, with his own set of principles but is fallable. The inner dialogue, has a lovely slow drawn out quality to it and the SHIELD drones were a perfect foil. Seeing him fight without claws was fab too, even enjoyed the claw sharpening (though how you sharpen adamantium beats me). Loved it.

[Unkillable Cat]

You don't sharpen Adamantium claws.

What you do do with them, however, is clean them. Scrape off the crap that has undoubtedely been building up on them after they have been through concrete, human entrails, robotic exoskeletons and beer bottles, just to name a few examples.

And yes, I did not like the healing skeleton.

[Porcelain]

Ah cleaning his claws with a pummice stone, after having fought with his fists alone - yep perfectly plausable ;)

[Sentinel K]

Ah cleaning his claws with a pummice stone, after having fought with his fists alone - yep perfectly plausable ;)

Yeah that was kind of retarded.

If Adamantium is so damn unbreakable, then surely they never lose their sharpness either.

I still enjoyed the issue however.

[Sean Whitmore]

Silly Nitro. Everyone knows that to TRULY kill Wolverine, you have to place a clove of garlic in his mouth and throw him into running water. :)

Anyone think it's possible that Wolverine being burned completely to the bone was Ramos' decision? Maybe the script just said: "Wolverine goes through various stages of burning" and Huberto went nuts with it?

Not likely, but possible.

Wol-Vlad-rine aside (gosh, but that's an awkward pun), I'm still loving this Guggenheim cat's work. Almost enough to make me want to watch Law and Order. Wolverine hasn't been this quotable in a while.


SEAN

[Doom Hammer]

Wol-Vlad-rine aside (gosh, but that's an awkward pun), I'm still loving this Guggenheim cat's work. Almost enough to make me want to watch Law and Order. Wolverine hasn't been this quotable in a while.


SEAN

I thought this dude wrote CSI: Miami?

As opposed to the Carnivale dude. And the The OC dude. And the Babylon 5 guy. And the Buffy the Vampire Slayer guy. And the Lost guy. And the other Lost guy. And the House Party guy.

Just sayin'.

[Hi-Fi]

I thought this dude wrote CSI: Miami?

As opposed to the Carnivale dude. And the The OC dude. And the Babylon 5 guy. And the Buffy the Vampire Slayer guy. And the Lost guy. And the other Lost guy. And the House Party guy.

Just sayin'.

Which one is the writer from Carnivale and what book is he writing??

[Sean Whitmore]

I thought this dude wrote CSI: Miami?


Looks like we're both (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0973233/) right.


Which one is the writer from Carnivale and what book is he writing??


Carny dude is writing Iron Man.



SEAN

[Foley]

Dude, I hope they up Sabertooth's healing factor to the level of wolverine's. We could then have an entire year arc of them just cutting each other to death and coming up with new inventive ways to try and kill each other, which would invariably fail. Best of all, wolverine may actually stay in his own comic for a change. That would rock!!!!!

[kane]

The art was terrible. And why do his claws look like knifes. We know that there are bone claws under the adamantium, so there is not excuse to draw them like knifes.

[Cowlander]

The art was terrible. And why do his claws look like knifes. We know that there are bone claws under the adamantium, so there is not excuse to draw them like knifes.
.......uhhhh maybe because the adamantium claws have ALWAYS been drawn like that?

This has to be one of the hugest nitpicks I've ever seen. I get you not liking the art, but when you start criticizing the artist for drawing things exactly how every other artist does, you gotta know youre being to critical. Cmon man youre better than that.

I like Ramos work, I have no idea why he suddenly has this big neck fetish. But at least criticize him for the things hes doing thats different from the established way of doing these characters.

[Sentinel K]

.......uhhhh maybe because the adamantium claws have ALWAYS been drawn like that?

This has to be one of the hugest nitpicks I've ever seen. I get you not liking the art, but when you start criticizing the artist for drawing things exactly how every other artist does, you gotta know youre being to critical. Cmon man youre better than that.

I like Ramos work, I have no idea why he suddenly has this big neck fetish. But at least criticize him for the things hes doing thats different from the established way of doing these characters.

The long neck thing is a bit weird isn't it!?

I loved the art though. It rocked. The claws looked fine to me.

[Hi-Fi]

Carny dude is writing Iron Man.



SEAN

Thanks, Sean!

[kane]

.......uhhhh maybe because the adamantium claws have ALWAYS been drawn like that?

This has to be one of the hugest nitpicks I've ever seen. I get you not liking the art, but when you start criticizing the artist for drawing things exactly how every other artist does, you gotta know youre being to critical. Cmon man youre better than that.

I like Ramos work, I have no idea why he suddenly has this big neck fetish. But at least criticize him for the things hes doing thats different from the established way of doing these characters.

Well before the bone claws his claws were sometimes drawn like that. But as i far as i remember after the revelation of the bone claws most artist draw the claws differently. It makes no sense, that the claws look like knifes. This is one critic point. But the anatomy and the face look terrible too. Ramos art may be okay for impulse and crimson ( i liked crimson), but not for Wolverine in my opinion.

[Rokk]

I thought this issue was average. I think having Wolvie regenerate from a skeleton was just too much. This guy has become completely unstoppable. And when a character becomes too unstoppable, the stories get less interesting.

I like Ramos' art, but I'm not really a big fan of it on this title. Ramos' Wolverine is certainly not one of my favorite versions of Wolvie.

[Cowlander]

Well before the bone claws his claws were sometimes drawn like that. But as i far as i remember after the revelation of the bone claws most artist draw the claws differently. It makes no sense, that the claws look like knifes. This is one critic point. But the anatomy and the face look terrible too. Ramos art may be okay for impulse and crimson ( i liked crimson), but not for Wolverine in my opinion.
dude if you know anyone whos drawn the adamantium claws differently after teh bone claw reveal please let me know. I will gladly say I'm wrong, but thats never happened.

[Syzygy]

I miss when he used to be bad ass, because he took a lickin' and then came back to kick some ass. Now he gets totally annihilated, and then regenerates when there shouldn't be anything left to regenerate from. Blah. :p

Yes, I must wholly agree with this. Can't regen from bare adamantium.

[Cyke]

There really is no point in Wolverine being a top martial artist, if he has no need to dodge or block anymore. If there are fighters with superior skill, all Logan would have to do is to hold out and keep slashing till the other guy gets too tired to dodge.

And since there'd be no point in Logan being a top martial artist anymore, that effectively gets rid of the need for his samurai background, which removes quite a big chunk of Logan's mystery and honor.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I think I'm dropping this. The new writer either has no understanding of the characters he's writing about, or he's willing to ignore what he does know about them just because it's convenient or cool.

I raised an eyebrow last issue when he had Luke Cage act a convenient sounding board so Wolverine could bounce his anti-registration ideas off him. I just didn't think Cage would hold those views, especially since we know he joined Cap's team.

In this issue, however, we have a Wolverine who can magically regenerate from nothing, a Wolverine who sharpens his claws with a pumice stone and maybe the stupidest Tony Stark ever. With his new braniac-type intelligence, Stark could probably think of 30 ways to take Nitro out with science, but does he send the SHIELD team along with any of those countermeasures? Apparently not, because their plan to capture him is about as well thought out as the "Get Her!" scene from Ghostbusters. Hey, let's rush a guy who can explode.

Healing back from a skeleton is the final straw, though. I don't care if they can come up for an in-story reason for amping his powers like that. It hurts the character to make him so invincible, takes away any element of risk from his battles or any need for him to use skill. If next issue shows it was an LMD or an illusion or something I might be okay with it.

Finally, I simple don't like how Wolverine is written in this. He used to have an edge of honor about him that's just missing. He's also seems to be immune to the effects of all of the crazy stuff he's finding out about himself in Origins.

As for the art. It's really not my thing. I don't like the long necks at all. I actually dropped Paul Jenkins Spider-Man when Ramos took over, even though I liked the story up until then. I'm trying to be more tolerant here, but it's just not working.

[killerbass]

Since reading issue 42 on the recommendation of someone with similar tastes, I have added Wolverine to my pull list.

I certainly don't want to get into any kind of debate over this issue, so I will offer my two cents and move on.

Some comic book readers are just too picky. Some just like to complain. That's your right.

One of the biggest temptations in life is to become negative. (I do it on occasion, but am working on it.) Negative energy is wasted energy.

If you don't like the book, move on. There's always at least twelve other books with Wolverine. Surely one of them will portray Stumpy the way you desire.

Feel free to resume your complaining; if you do I will begin ignoring you.

Deep breath in; deep breath out.

[Hellcow]

Since reading issue 42 on the recommendation of someone with similar tastes, I have added Wolverine to my pull list.

I certainly don't want to get into any kind of debate over this issue, so I will offer my two cents and move on.

Some comic book readers are just too picky. Some just like to complain. That's your right.

One of the biggest temptations in life is to become negative. (I do it on occasion, but am working on it.) Negative energy is wasted energy.

If you don't like the book, move on. There's always at least twelve other books with Wolverine. Surely one of them will portray Stumpy the way you desire.

Feel free to resume your complaining; if you do I will begin ignoring you.

Deep breath in; deep breath out.


Just because someone has different tastes, or they don't like something or don't share YOUR opinion doesn't automatically mean they are negative.

[Beast]

Just because someone has different tastes, or they don't like something or don't share YOUR opinion doesn't automatically mean they are negative.
Indeed, maybe we should just accuse YOU of being overly positive. ;)

[Shawn Hopkins]

Since reading issue 42 on the recommendation of someone with similar tastes, I have added Wolverine to my pull list.

I certainly don't want to get into any kind of debate over this issue, so I will offer my two cents and move on.

Some comic book readers are just too picky. Some just like to complain. That's your right.

One of the biggest temptations in life is to become negative. (I do it on occasion, but am working on it.) Negative energy is wasted energy.

If you don't like the book, move on. There's always at least twelve other books with Wolverine. Surely one of them will portray Stumpy the way you desire.

Feel free to resume your complaining; if you do I will begin ignoring you.

Deep breath in; deep breath out.

Eh. I'll admit I personally was negative, though I don't think many of the other posters were. But I also said I was dropping the book, and I will continue to read at least two of the other books Wolverine is in. So that's okay then, even by your standards.

But I'd like to make a wider point, here. If we can't complain when we think a book is going wrong, what is the point of this message board. With only positive comments, it would be just like an old letter column where all the negative letters were thrown in the trash and only the Nuff Said ones were printed. I came here to find out and discuss what other people thought about the book, and I appreciate getting an unvarnished view.