Young Avengers #12 *Spoilers*

[Ivan Isaacs]

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! The best book on the stands is back for it's final issue (until the relaunch) - an oh boy, oh, boy is it great!

The New and Young Avengers are fighting the Kree and Skrull together and the issue is full of hilarious dialogue:

Spider-Man is attacked by Skrulls and Stature is lifting him up:

Spidey: Guys! A little help? I'm being skrulled alive over here.

Stature: Don't worry, Spider-Man... I've got your back.

Spidey: Literally. Not to be ungrateful, Cass, but-- can the roof accomodate your mass at that size?

Stature: Oops. Didn't think of that.

Spidey: It's okay. We can't all be hyper-neurotic, recovering science geeks.

Stature: YOU were a geek?

Spidey: That was a joke, right?

Tommy is watching Logan, while he's slashing some Skrull and wonders because "Avengers don't kill", right?
Logan says that they'll recover... eventually and THEN Tommy goes Splat-Fu! with them Skrull to which logan says:

"You're sick, kid. I like it."

:D :D :D

Then Teddy surrenders and is supposed to stay one half year with the Kree and the other one with the Skrulls. Then he leaves.

But the thing is - it wasn't the real Teddy but the Super Skrull who's now masquerading as Teddy so that Hulkling can stay on Earth (can't beat that nose of Logan, can you?).

And regarding Patriot? Well he's dead.

Naaaa... just kidding. He's saved via blood transfusion with Isaiah's blood and so he's got himself some superpowers.

Oh and Jessica convince Kate to accept the codename and equipment Cap chose for her - Hawkeye.

And you guessed it - Tommy stays on the team, becoming "Speed" (and looking like a green Impulse/Kind Flash).

It's just so
awesome it's beyond words. I'll can't wait for the new series and I think I'll read the completely series again (and please Marvel: Make one nifty oversized hardcover of this, PLEASE!!!)

[1WEBHEAD]

(Runs to comic shop)

[HellFrost]

Excellent issue. I almost got scared at the end when "Teddy" was saying his goodbyes.

Kate Bishop... er I mean Hawkeye(would have liked Huntress better but this rocks too:) ) moments were awesome. Tommy was awesome, especially at the end of the issue.

YAY FOR ELI!!!!!!!!!!!! I hated his character at first, now I don't think it would be the same without him. Interesting how his cover story is being made real now:D

Captain America and Hulkling: "Avengers Assemble" was such an AWESOME scene!!!!!!!!!

Looks like Billy has more control over his powers now which rocks... needs a new name though. I actually wouldn't mind Magik for him but I want Illyanna back so that probably wont happen...

And yeah... I'm done. BILLY/TEDDY 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[brian2322]

what an amazing comic i have not disliked a single issue i have read so far

[Deus ex Chris]

It's just so awesome it's beyond words. I'll can't wait for the new series and I think I'll read the completely series again (and please Marvel: Make one nifty oversized hardcover of this, PLEASE!!!)

I completely agree. This issue was just amazing--as the whole series has been. Heinberg and Cheung are my heroes, at the moment. They've just got that special synergy--that Millar/Hitch kind of thing. It's great.

[starri]

It's going to be a long wait until the Relaunch.

YA got me back into comics in a big way, and I haven't been disappointed yet.

Cap giving the team his blessing, and giving Kate the mantle of Hawkeye was touching in a way I didn't expect it to be.

[Young Avenger]

Excellent finale! This issue reeked of awesomeness! I'm kinda pissed that Sentry was written out of the battle but that's a minor issue. The dialogue between both teams were hilarious especially Spider-Man and Cass. Since Vision is an official Young Avenger know I wonder who will get to keep him.

[Kevinroc]

Excellent finale! This issue reeked of awesomeness! I'm kinda pissed that Sentry was written out of the battle but that's a minor issue. The dialogue between both teams were hilarious especially Spider-Man and Cass. Since Vision is an official Young Avenger know I wonder who will get to keep him.

The Sentry was written out of the issue because he could have ended that conflict by himself with ease. I actually thought it was funny that The Sentry was written out of the fight.

[Beast]

While I hated the delay, the wrap-up of the first year was worth the wait. Loved every moment of it, and now I can't wait for next year's Young Avengers 2. :)

[Mo S.]

Loved the series and characters, and I liked the layout of this issue - big bsttle splash on the left, smaller character interaction betweenthe YA and the NA on the right. Heinberg writes an amusing Wolverine, and that's an amazing feat. His Spidey is good, too.

Not so fond of the Hawkeye thing, though. Cap gave away his name and bow and arrows? Based on what? If this is set after House of M, then Cap knows he isn't dead, and his codename, his real name and his equipment isn't Cap's to give away. If it's set before House of M, then Wanda isn't really "missing", is she?

[Beast]

Not so fond of the Hawkeye thing, though. Cap gave away his name and bow and arrows? Based on what? If this is set after House of M, then Cap knows he isn't dead, and his codename, his real name and his equipment isn't Cap's to give away. If it's set before House of M, then Wanda isn't really "missing", is she?
It's set before House of M. The book has been delayed to hell and back, this finally got us caught up to date. And the Young Avengers we're seeing in Civil War are now caught up to current time. And yes, Wanda would still be missing pre HoM, because Magneto swooped in and scurried her away at the end of Disassembled.

[hulkling1]

Definitely a great ending...and beginning.

The splash page art was amazing. Cheung has outdone himself this time. Marvel should make a poster from every spread.

For a fraction of a second, I thought that Teddy was going to pull a Karolina Dean (alien from Runaways who left with her Skrull fiance to keep peace between their two races). Until I remembered that he's a shapeshifting Skrull...duh. The expression in the eyes of Billy was priceless when he thought he would lose Teddy. Cheung's art made it look like tears might start dropping from his pages.

The addition of Tommy will bring some great tension. There is already a love triangle between Tommy, Kate, and Eli. I can't wait to see where it goes.

I hope Season 2 will develop the potential relationship between Vision and Cassie. With the thought patterns of Iron Lad, will Vision fall in love with Cassie?

It was nice to see Teddy being given a chance to grieve for his foster mother. A lot of people have criticized him in the message boards for his lack of concern for her death, ignoring the fact that he was never given a chance.

Now, time to read it again...

[Arilou]

Heh, that explains why everyone was so angry at K'lr't at the beginning of Annihilation :P

[riotgear]

Heh, that explains why everyone was so angry at K'lr't at the beginning of Annihilation :P

That's just what I thought. In fact, I posted the question for Andy Schmidt to answer in the Annihilation forum.

[drwho]

Young Avengers loses points in my book for using the blood transfusion tactic. Other then that a good book. Perhaps Hulkling will become the new Captain Marvel.

[moon knight]

Great ending i loved every moment of it glad to see Tommy got a codename. It was well worth the wait.

[Atom_basher]

Is there anyway someone can scan how speed looks?

[Grazzt]

Is there anyway someone can scan how speed looks?

Someone already put scans up at scans_daily. (http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2070160.html#cutid1) Whatever else can be said about them, they certainly are efficient.

And here he is:

http://journal.henkei.com/scans_daily/ya12/ya12_scan7.jpg

[Cody H]

Yup, great issue overall, I especially like Teddy's Skrull/Kree resolution. I feel stupid for not seeing it come actually (and hats off to Allen for Cap's identical reaction).

[Stagier]

i am not sure about his name speed. can't wait for him to be paired with gert in the future.

[Atom_basher]

I HAVE to buy this, i also liek speed's costume, its simple and sleek. i like it

[protege]

Young Avengers loses points in my book for using the blood transfusion tactic. Other then that a good book. Perhaps Hulkling will become the new Captain Marvel.
I kind of hope so- Hulkling, now that he's a skrull, just isn't holding my interest anymore. Like Tommy's costume, hate his name.

[protege]

i am not sure about his name speed. can't wait for him to be paired with gert in the future.
Gert? Is she the runaway with old lace? She's the only one i care about.

[Grazzt]

If I could change one thing about Speed's costume, its that little arrow pointing to his crotch. Those always annoy me. I mean, you're wearing spandex as it is, you don't really want to call further attention to it.

[Doom Hammer]

i am not sure about his name speed. can't wait for him to be paired with gert in the future.

Remember: there was a time we all laughed over "Iron Lad" and "Hulkling".

So "Speed"? Not so bad.;)

[Beast]

I kind of hope so- Hulkling, now that he's a skrull, just isn't holding my interest anymore. Like Tommy's costume, hate his name.
He's not a Skrull. He's a Kree/Skrull hybrid. :)

[Haunt]

Remember: there was a time we all laughed over "Iron Lad" and "Hulkling".

So "Speed"? Not so bad.;)


i'm still laughing at Hulkling.

[Michael P]

It's set before House of M. The book has been delayed to hell and back, this finally got us caught up to date. And the Young Avengers we're seeing in Civil War are now caught up to current time. And yes, Wanda would still be missing pre HoM, because Magneto swooped in and scurried her away at the end of Disassembled.
1-6 were pre-House of M. 7-12 are post.

[Beast]

1-6 were pre-House of M. 7-12 are post.
No they're not. It's quite clear that HoM hadn't happened yet, at the point of the series wrap-up.

For example:

Remember that Vision and Stature both guest-starred in She-Hulk #1. Vision didn't actually start looking like the actual Vision or officially join the team until this arc. And She-Hulk #1 is Pre-HoM, thus setting all of YA #1-#12 pre-HoM. House of M happens after the end of the first year, but due to massive delays we just got to it.

[Kirk G]

I was disappointed that so many pages were dominated by massive fight scenes...with just a few comment pannels down the right side. It makes me think of decompressed writing... and that both last issue and this issue could have been combined down to one issue instead of padded out to fill two.

Do you agree?

[protege]

He's not a Skrull. He's a Kree/Skrull hybrid. :)
Either way; I liked him because i thought he was connected to Bruce Banner; now that I know he isn't, he's kind of lost his appeal.

[Beast]

Either way; I liked him because i thought he was connected to Bruce Banner; now that I know he isn't, he's kind of lost his appeal.
The whole point of the book from the start is that the characters "arn't what you think". If he had been connected to the Hulk, it would have gone against the very mission statement of the book.

[Doom Hammer]

i'm still laughing at Hulkling.

That's just impolite.

[Haunt]

That's just impolite.


he might as well call himself 'Baby Hulk' 'Hulk Tot' or 'Little Hulk.' the name is just embarrassing.

[Beast]

he might as well call himself 'Baby Hulk' 'Hulk Tot' or 'Little Hulk.' the name is just embarrassing.
I disagree. I like Hulkling, it's simple and cool. Those names however are quite stupid and embaressing.

[Haunt]

I disagree. I like Hulkling, it's simple and cool. Those names however are quite stupid and embaressing.

simple, cool, and nothing to do with his powers or origin. it'd be like me keeping this avatar and calling myself 'Flowers.'

[Mo S.]

simple, cool, and nothing to do with his powers or origin. it'd be like me keeping this avatar and calling myself 'Flowers.'

Well, since that avatar says "evil clown" to me more than "haunt", it just goes to show you can never tell.

Hulking was strange at first, but I'm used to it now. Wiccan still seems odd. I like "Speed" though, it fits his abrupt personality. Hawkeye...while I liked the bit between Jessica and Kate, I'm still very fond of the "real" Hawkeye and I don't at all care for what is implied by someone else using the code name. One of the things I dislike about the DCU is the "adult" and "junior" heroes using the same (or similar) name and I really don't want that to happen - nor do I think that's Marvel's intentions.

[Beast]

simple, cool, and nothing to do with his powers or origin. it'd be like me keeping this avatar and calling myself 'Flowers.'
Your avatar doesn't scream 'Haunt' to me either. Especially since it's Captain Howdy from The Exorcist, which has nothing to do with Haunting as it's Demonic Posession. So Flowers would be about as equally inaccurate regarding that avatar as Haunt is. Where as Hulkling fits, just like Hawkeye spelled it out several issues back. :)

[RonnieThunderbolts]

OK... This has been something I've been waiting on the edge of my seat for a LONG time it seems like, and I was NOT disappointed.

I am not sure about Kate's codename, but there isn't anything that I don't like about the issue. Tommy, he is really growing on me, quickly. I'm loving this title.

[Faded]

Based on other comics, something bad must happen to Speed! :eek:

Buuuut, I really loved this issue. Wrapped up nicely, funny scenes, warm scenes (I swear that Billy and Teddy are absolutely the cutest things ever), great art, great story, great set-up.

See you don't have to kill to garner excitement! Take note New X-Men! ;)

[Beast]

Based on other comics, something bad must happen to Speed! :eek:
Why do you say that? He's in Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways. His image was just blacked out and 'Censored' so as to not reveal the spoiler of the last issue of Young Avengers before it cae out. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

"Speed"?

How could they miss the obvious?

"Blitzkrieg" amply covers both speed and explosive powers. :D

Ah well. Naming insanity aside, still a great issue.

I think I may be starting to agree with Huzzah about not liking Kate, though.


SEAN

[Dazzler]

i love that Speed is wearing his "uncle" Quicksilver's original colors of green and white. ALWAYS the best Quicksilver colors in my brain.

Now, all Wiccan needs is a little more scarlet, and i'm the happiest man on planet Earth.


This is the best superhero comic out there....i can't say enough good about it.

--Dazz

[Stagier]

Gert? Is she the runaway with old lace? She's the only one i care about.


yah gert, in the future she's called heroine.

don't worry kids! heroine and speed are here to save the day!!

i don't know hulkling, iron lad, stature, asguardian ok.
wiccan, speed, hawkeye.. ehh..

kate is so much more than just a hawkeye, anyone catch her "chun-li" that one kree. bad ass, i've studied the arts and can't get my legs to do that. she's one bad motha'.

Hey! that should be her name, One bad motha'.

blitzkrieg, kind of 90's, what about blitz?
and that triangle is more of a buckle, than a crotch arrow. he ain't jack of hearts. RIP.

all that aside, still love the book..

get to drawing ronnie! we want SPEED.

[Bobster777]

"Speed"?

How could they miss the obvious?

"Blitzkrieg" amply covers both speed and explosive powers. :D

Ah well. Naming insanity aside, still a great issue.

I think I may be starting to agree with Huzzah about not liking Kate, though.


SEAN

Ha ha, what's wrong with Kate? Yeah, one heck of an issue. Hay, how gullible are aliens, especially the Skrull. I mean, the Super Skrull has used that trick before. My question is, aren't they going to realize that something is amiss considering Super Skrull is off fighting the Anihilation Wave?

[Sean Whitmore]

Ha ha, what's wrong with Kate? Yeah, one heck of an issue. Hay, how gullible are aliens, especially the Skrull. I mean, the Super Skrull has used that trick before. My question is, aren't they going to realize that something is amiss considering Super Skrull is off fighting the Anihilation Wave?


Maybe he'll pull off one of those common teenage cons. Tell the Kree he's staying with the Skrulls for the weekend and tell the Skrulls he's staying with the Kree. :)


SEAN

[Bobster777]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but I wonder if the next story line (when Heinberg gets back on the book) will be the search for Wanda. It would be very interesting to see how Wanda reacts to the kids. I mean, I don't if she knows about them. Considering how much she loves her kids, I would think she would have tried to make contact by now if she did know about them.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but I wonder if the next story line (when Heinberg gets back on the book) will be the search for Wanda. It would be very interesting to see how Wanda reacts to the kids. I mean, I don't if she knows about them. Considering how much she loves her kids, I would think she would have tried to make contact by now if she did know about them.

She met Billy. Maybe Tommy too. Meeting him was apparently the catalyst for his powers (Billy). You should read the Young Avengers Special.

[Bobster777]

She met Billy. Maybe Tommy too. Meeting him was apparently the catalyst for his powers (Billy). You should read the Young Avengers Special.

Oh that's right, crap, I have such a bad memory. Thanks for reminding me.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Oh that's right, crap, I have such a bad memory. Thanks for reminding me.

No prob. It was a good read, but it came at an odd time, and took place BEFORE the issue that came out right before it, instead of AFTER it, as it took place, so it was a weird tale, but I'm glad to hear you've already got it, I want everyone to get all YA stuff.

[Keith_Martineau]

I love this F'n comic. No two ways about it.

Now, at this point actually I'm a little disappointed. The Q said on a couple of occasions that they had plans for the Captain Marvel name. And that the new Captain Marvel was someone we'd seen before, a current character. Some people theorized it was Hulkling due to the hints of his parentage.
Well I bought in to that. And now nothing has happened with that. Yes, he's definately the son of Mar-Vell, but he's still not Captain Marvel.
Oh well, guess that story has simply not been told yet.

Everything else was gold. Kate's guilt trip on Cap. Cap telling her to be Hawkeye. Jessica Jones involvement. This and Runaways really are in the old school Marvel spirit. Their Civil War series had best be good.

[cyclops2500]

I'm with the YA lovers of this thread. This book hit all the right notes. The true gem of the crop is Speed. Awesome attitude, name, and that costume is terrific. I can't wait to see the future of the YA.

[protege]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this already, but I wonder if the next story line (when Heinberg gets back on the book) will be the search for Wanda. It would be very interesting to see how Wanda reacts to the kids. I mean, I don't if she knows about them. Considering how much she loves her kids, I would think she would have tried to make contact by now if she did know about them.
Isn't Wanda depowered now, living the life of a simple Gypsy? Does she even remember her former life, or what pushed her over the edge? What would happen if the kids did find her, and unlocked her memories?

[Stagier]

you know
wanda losing her powers is probably some mental block. she'll get excited over something and re-instate herself in a minute.

or petro will make her huff some gas...

[Leebenhouse]

I liked the issue, but i really hated the constant two page spreads, it was too much decompressed storytelling for me. No thank you.

[Bobster777]

Isn't Wanda depowered now, living the life of a simple Gypsy? Does she even remember her former life, or what pushed her over the edge? What would happen if the kids did find her, and unlocked her memories?

You never know. As powerful as she is, Wanda could just be hiding herself. But yeah, I have a feeling that she mind wiped herself, and the children will be the ones to get her to remember.

[DoctorDoom]

Heh heh... Kate stuck it to Cap. And you know what? She may have been right. Ouch. But I loved it , as I did the whole Issue.

[Deus ex Chris]

Now, at this point actually I'm a little disappointed. The Q said on a couple of occasions that they had plans for the Captain Marvel name. And that the new Captain Marvel was someone we'd seen before, a current character. Some people theorized it was Hulkling due to the hints of his parentage.
Well I bought in to that. And now nothing has happened with that. Yes, he's definately the son of Mar-Vell, but he's still not Captain Marvel.
Oh well, guess that story has simply not been told yet.
Hasn't that been dealt with in Annihilation? I'm not reading any of those books, but I've heard mention of Phyla...

[Will.S]

I liked the issue, but i really hated the constant two page spreads, it was too much decompressed storytelling for me. No thank you.It was supposed to be a huge fight scene though so I was fine with it. Plus there were the really good NA/YA character interactions especially the Kate/Spidey one which was perfect.

Hasn't that been dealt with in Annihilation? I'm not reading any of those books, but I've heard mention of Phyla...
I hear she's just going to be called Phyla so I'm still wondering myself what Joe Q meant by another character using the name.

[starri]

It was supposed to be a huge fight scene though so I was fine with it. Plus there were the really good NA/YA character interactions especially the Kate/Spidey one which was perfect.
Really, all of the interactions with the YA and the NA were spot on. Iron Man and Vision was another highlight that hasn't been mentioned. And Kate telling Spider-Woman she wasn't Hawkeye, and SW answering simply "You could have fooled me."

My greatest wish is that they keep Jessica Jones around as their den mother. I've thought her presence in the early stories, and especially the annual was a highlight.

[Mo S.]

Really, all of the interactions with the YA and the NA were spot on. Iron Man and Vision was another highlight that hasn't been mentioned. And Kate telling Spider-Woman she wasn't Hawkeye, and SW answering simply "You could have fooled me."

Since I don't think Spider-Woman actually even knows Hawkeye, it was kind of a strange comment. They might have met once or twice, back around the time of Avengers Annual #10, but that's about it...

[Deus ex Chris]

My greatest wish is that they keep Jessica Jones around as their den mother. I've thought her presence in the early stories, and especially the annual was a highlight.
I agree. There's something poetic about someone who hates the super-hero life getting stuck with being mentor to a group of kids who want nothing more than to be super-heroes.

[Beast]

Since I don't think Spider-Woman actually even knows Hawkeye, it was kind of a strange comment. They might have met once or twice, back around the time of Avengers Annual #10, but that's about it...
Yeah, but she's using a bow and arrow. He knows who Hawkeye is, and his M.O. So there for, she seems like 'Hawkeye' to him. Especially considering at this point and time, Hawkeye was still dead. :)

[Mo S.]

Yeah, but she's using a bow and arrow. He knows who Hawkeye is, and his M.O. So there for, she seems like 'Hawkeye' to him. Especially considering at this point and time, Hawkeye was still dead. :)

*eyes the gender syntax in those sentences*

I dunno, it seems pretty odd to say that someone looks like someone you've probably met maybe once (off-panel somewhere). Had it come from anyone else on the team (Wolverine, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Cap, Iron Man) - they all knew Hawkeye, some of them better than others.

[Beast]

*eyes the gender syntax in those sentences*

I dunno, it seems pretty odd to say that someone looks like someone you've probably met maybe once (off-panel somewhere). Had it come from anyone else on the team (Wolverine, Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Cap, Iron Man) - they all knew Hawkeye, some of them better than others.
Sorry, I was thinking 'Spider-Man' when I typed that up. :)

[Hi-Fi]

Lovely issue. I also hope they keep Jessica for next season.

[starri]

Lovely issue. I also hope they keep Jessica for next season.
It just makes sense to me. She seems to be the only authority figure that the kids actually trust, although I'm sure Cap will probably be held in much higher esteem after giving them his blessing.

Not to mention the fact that she also seems to care about them as well.

[drwho]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! No more Jessica Jones.

[Will.S]

I'm not really comfortable with Kate getting the Hawkeye name as I hope it's only temporary while Clint does his whole DD thing (if it's him). Also while the House of M ship had sailed a long time ago, I hope they show what the team was doing during that time, especially Billy and Tommy since Wanda played such a huge role. I have a feeling that their souls were put into the young twins in their scenes with Magneto and Scarlet Witch during HoM though.

Maybe they can do a dedicated issue to the others someday similar to the way Ms. Marvel did it in that Giant Sized book since this all took place before HoM.

[Jack Zodiac]

It's set before House of M. The book has been delayed to hell and back, this finally got us caught up to date. And the Young Avengers we're seeing in Civil War are now caught up to current time. And yes, Wanda would still be missing pre HoM, because Magneto swooped in and scurried her away at the end of Disassembled.

I keep forgetting that this book takes place within, pretty much, a week or so of Disassembled. For something so great to come out of something so crappy, it's inspirational.

I've loved this series from start to finish, and I look forward to where it goes from here. I'm especially interested in Billy and Tommy's story. I've hated everything Marvel's done to Wanda since Disassembled, and if these two truly are her kids, then I'd like to see her messed up mind healed a little.

Also, the way they dealt with Teddy being an heir to both races was great, and I hope it means that Kl'rt survives Annihilation. His mini-series has been the best of the four, and he makes a great soldier-hero when given the right circumstances.
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[Sean Whitmore]

I keep forgetting that this book takes place within, pretty much, a week or so of Disassembled. For something so great to come out of something so crappy, it's inspirational.


The first story arc, maybe. By the time the New Avengers make a cameo in #6 or 7, it had to be 6 months after Disassembled.


SEAN

[Young Avenger]

Since Jessica Jones doesn't have a series anymore I love to see her as a supporting character in the second season of YA. She's the only adult character the team can relate to.

[Bobster777]

I keep forgetting that this book takes place within, pretty much, a week or so of Disassembled. For something so great to come out of something so crappy, it's inspirational.

I've loved this series from start to finish, and I look forward to where it goes from here. I'm especially interested in Billy and Tommy's story. I've hated everything Marvel's done to Wanda since Disassembled, and if these two truly are her kids, then I'd like to see her messed up mind healed a little.

Also, the way they dealt with Teddy being an heir to both races was great, and I hope it means that Kl'rt survives Annihilation. His mini-series has been the best of the four, and he makes a great soldier-hero when given the right circumstances.

Oh wow, this is all happening near the time of Disassembled. Didn't know that.

[Bobster777]

Sorry if someone mentioned this, but I don't think I saw a post about it. Looks like they kind of explained how Eli was so much more super during CW 2. He was getting a blood transfusion from Isiah at the end of the issue. It may have triggered some genetic predisposition in him to being a super soldier. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[Beast]

Oh wow, this is all happening near the time of Disassembled. Didn't know that.
Well, it would actually be closer to just before House of M. Cause the New Avengers formed 6 months after Disassembled, if I recall correctly. And we've seen them in the book as officially reformed in YA #7 and #8.

[Beast]

Sorry if someone mentioned this, but I don't think I saw a post about it. Looks like they kind of explained how Eli was so much more super during CW 2. He was getting a blood transfusion from Isiah at the end of the issue. It may have triggered some genetic predisposition in him to being a super soldier. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
It clearly did, because in the wrap up pages, he's shown to have Super Strength and comments about Super Hearing as well. Though that was more likely him being cheeky. :)

[Bobster777]

It clearly did, because in the wrap up pages, he's shown to have Super Strength and comments about Super Hearing as well. Though that was more likely him being cheeky. :)

Ha ha, yeah, I was cracking up. That was a nice addition to what was already a great issue.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Sorry if someone mentioned this, but I don't think I saw a post about it. Looks like they kind of explained how Eli was so much more super during CW 2. He was getting a blood transfusion from Isiah at the end of the issue. It may have triggered some genetic predisposition in him to being a super soldier. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Yeah, they even say in the issue that he has "super powers" and show, as you and Beast discussed, him using such powers.

[starri]

The first story arc, maybe. By the time the New Avengers make a cameo in #6 or 7, it had to be 6 months after Disassembled.
Also, Jessica is still pregnant at the end of this, and she had the baby how long ago?

I'm trying not to scrutinize the timeline too much. I'm trying to pretend it exists in a vacuum away from the rest of the MU, and when the series picks up next year, it will have caught up with House of M and Civil War and all that.

[Jack Zodiac]

Oh wow, this is all happening near the time of Disassembled. Didn't know that.

Well, as Sean pointed out, only the first arc could've happened immediately after Disassembled, while the later stories involve the New Avengers, who didn't form until months later. So, it could be taking either before or after House of M, but definitely before Civil War started.
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[Beast]

Also, Jessica is still pregnant at the end of this, and she had the baby how long ago?

I'm trying not to scrutinize the timeline too much. I'm trying to pretend it exists in a vacuum away from the rest of the MU, and when the series picks up next year, it will have caught up with House of M and Civil War and all that.
It will, Allan Heinberg has already said as much. Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways will bring them up to current time with the rest of the Marvel Universe, and then Allan can pick up the book early in 2007.

[Beast]

Well, as Sean pointed out, only the first arc could've happened immediately after Disassembled, while the later stories involve the New Avengers, who didn't form until months later. So, it could be taking either before or after House of M, but definitely before Civil War started.
It can't be after House of M. As I said a few pages ago, Stature and Vision guest-starred in She-Hulk #1 which was set pre-HoM. Vision didn't join the team or start looking like the classic Vision until this current storyline.

[Bobster777]

It will, Allan Heinberg has already said as much. Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways will bring them up to current time with the rest of the Marvel Universe, and then Allan can pick up the book early in 2007.

Man, I can't wait to see what he has in store. The book is just below perfect to me, up to 12. Hopefully though, he'll show the kids more in their normal lives, like at school or just hanging out at a diner somewhere. I think that this is what the Teen Titans is lacking. YA can definitely have that aspect to that book especially since many of the kids still live with their parents.

[UniqueFrequency]

great issue! i can't wait to have YA back and see Cheung's pencils again!! can't imagine anyone else on the book

[xmanson]

Spider Woman's comments to kate were more regarding her skills than look, I think. That she's as skilled with the weapons as Clint (it was a "see how great she is" moment), which I though was a little too much.

And I really like Jessica Jones, but really don't see the need for her in this book.

[Haunt]

Spider Woman's comments to kate were more regarding her skills than look, I think. That she's as skilled with the weapons as Clint (it was a "see how great she is" moment), which I though was a little too much.

And I really like Jessica Jones, but really don't see the need for her in this book.

why couldn't she just call herself Eagleeye or some variation?

[twilight]

I thought Billy was meant to get a new codename at the end of this storyline.
If he did could someone tell what it is?

[starri]

And I really like Jessica Jones, but really don't see the need for her in this book.

I do, just because they've been totally on their own from the outset, and haven't been able to turn to parents for a variety of reasons, and Captain America and Iron Man were very intent on not condoning what they were doing.

I think Jessica fits as a mentor much more comfortably than even Cap would, simply because despite her history as an Avenger and her marriage to Luke Cage, she's NOT an Avenger, and I could see the kids trusting her with problems and stuff they might not be able to confide to Cap or Spider-Man, etc.

I'm probably spending way too much time thinking about this.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

... despite her history as an Avenger and her marriage to Luke Cage, she's NOT an Avenger...

Jessica was never an Avenger. The only comic where she was is a What If, called, simply enough, What If Jessica Jones Had Been an Avenger?

On Wiccan's code name, Allan mentioned in a letter's page that after Billy learned the origin of his powers that he may change his name again.

Just like how he mentioned in another letters page that a Wonder Man appearance may happen in Season 2, which some people have turned into a direct statement of a Wonder Man counterpart, or Wonder Man playing a "major role" in the series. Rumors can come from nothing, so when they come from something I think they snowball.

On timeline, it HAS TO BE before House of M or right after, because Jessica had the baby right after House of M, and she is still pregnant at the end of 12. Also, the Vision/ She-Hulk appearance, as mentioned before, places it pre-House of M, and pre Cap's passing of the Hawkeye mantle.

[starri]

I honestly thought they'd retconned her into being an Avenger, however briefly. Learn something new every day.

[Faded]

Why do you say that? He's in Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways. His image was just blacked out and 'Censored' so as to not reveal the spoiler of the last issue of Young Avengers before it cae out. :)

Now I don't read all of New Avengers, but in one of the post-HoM issues he wasn't with them. :\

But I may be making something out of nothin'. I think I just never expected him to join and/or survive.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

I honestly thought they'd retconned her into being an Avenger, however briefly. Learn something new every day.

The closest they came to doing that was retconning in an Avengers membership OFFER. So, between that and the What If, its an easy tidbit to get confused.

[brian2322]

Now I don't read all of New Avengers, but in one of the post-HoM issues he wasn't with them. :\

But I may be making something out of nothin'. I think I just never expected him to join and/or survive.

that doesnt mean anything,only a handful of Young Avengers were shown in this issue

[starri]

that doesnt mean anything,only a handful of Young Avengers were shown in this issue
In the panel where they're loading the kids into the back of the SHIELD bus, there's someone already seated on the left-hand side of the bus with his or her hands in those power-dampening handcuffs. Cassie, Teddy, Billy, and Kate are outside the bus, and when there's an internal shot, Vision and Eli are sitting on the right side.

I'm assuming the extraneous handcuffs are on Tommy. When they first beam into the Resistance headquarters, Eli, Teddy, Cassie and Cap get out of the bus first, and there are five shadowed figures. One is Falcon, which means the others would be Kate, Billy, Vision, and probably Tommy.

Again, this is me thinking too much about this.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

In the panel where they're loading the kids into the back of the SHIELD bus, there's someone already seated on the left-hand side of the bus with his or her hands in those power-dampening handcuffs. Cassie, Teddy, Billy, and Kate are outside the bus, and when there's an internal shot, Vision and Eli are sitting on the right side.

I'm assuming the extraneous handcuffs are on Tommy. When they first beam into the Resistance headquarters, Eli, Teddy, Cassie and Cap get out of the bus first, and there are five shadowed figures. One is Falcon, which means the others would be Kate, Billy, Vision, and probably Tommy.

Again, this is me thinking too much about this.

The quote you're responding to is about the first issue of New Avengers the current Kid Vision appeared in, but I think you're right about Civil War 2.

[Stagier]

This is set before house of m,
meaning during house of m there were 2 sets of billy and tommy?
has it been said if the twins are even mutants?

[Bobster777]

This is set before house of m,
meaning during house of m there were 2 sets of billy and tommy?
has it been said if the twins are even mutants?

It's never been said whether they are mutants. However, if they were, I wonder why the X-men hasn't tried to recruit them?

[We R. Venom]

Damn I loved this issue. Everything I wanted, happened here and it was perfect. Maybe just for my personal preference, but it was damn damn good. Jesus. Eli/Kate/Tommy interaction was great. Theres still a possibility for anything there. Eli is back, and finally getting some respect. The way the fight was done looked brilliant to me and the art made it just beautiful too look at. I still dont like Tommy, maybe cuz I like Eli more haha. The team still kinda feels like a bunch of roookies, but thats what i like, they will grow soon. Hawkeye huh, well its fine by me just so long as she proves she deserves it.(Nice Kick Kate). So there off to find the witch. I cant wait. Keep it up guys, best book out. So says me

[Jack]

This is set before house of m,
meaning during house of m there were 2 sets of billy and tommy?
has it been said if the twins are even mutants?
I was going to ask something similar to this. Where were the Young Avengers during HoM?

If Billy and Tommy are the lost souls of Wanda's children, then were they Wanda's children during House of M?

If they get their HoM memories back, it might help create a bond between them and their... umm... birth mother?

[Stagier]

prediction

Wanda has one more trick up her sleeve. First there was dissasembled, then she went to house of M, so we still have her swan song for the Wandaolgy

Wanda goes crazy yet again when confronted by her vibrator, ex-lover and teenage sons that she birthed just a few years ago. SEASON 2 BABY!

[xmanson]

The only complaint I have is that, even though we got extra pages, it still felt rushed. At then end I was expecting to actually see them fighting the Zodiac becuase there should be more in the issue and then... it ends.

[Bobster777]

The only complaint I have is that, even though we got extra pages, it still felt rushed. At then end I was expecting to actually see them fighting the Zodiac becuase there should be more in the issue and then... it ends.

I guess that goes to show how much we really like the book. I felt the same way. When the book ended, I wanted to see more.

[TCJohnson]

I gotta question....there is something referenced that I don't remember and my back issues are in storage and won't be able to get to them for a bit...

....But when was Wiccan's house destroyed?

Kate said: Maybe Eli wouldn't be in surgery right now, maybe Billy's parents would still have a place to live, and Teddy's mother would still be alive.

What happened to Billy's parents?

[Young Avenger]

I gotta question....there is something referenced that I don't remember and my back issues are in storage and won't be able to get to them for a bit...

....But when was Wiccan's house destroyed?

Kate said: Maybe Eli wouldn't be in surgery right now, maybe Billy's parents would still have a place to live, and Teddy's mother would still be alive.

What happened to Billy's parents?

Wiccan's house was destroyed in Young Avengers #9. Billy's mother was at the house at the time and Wiccan was protecting her during the Super Skrull's attack.

[TCJohnson]

Wiccan's house was destroyed in Young Avengers #9. Billy's mother was at the house at the time and Wiccan was protecting her during the Super Skrull's attack.


You mean Billy's mother or Teddy's mother? (BIlly is Wiccan.)

Ok....I remember the scene but I was remembering it at Teddy's house.

[Young Avenger]

You mean Billy's mother or Teddy's mother? (BIlly is Wiccan.)

Ok....I remember the scene but I was remembering it at Teddy's house.

It happened at Billy's house. And they were protecting both of their mothers.

[ocelotrevs]

No words are possible.

[jeanpaulB.]

I completely agree. This issue was just amazing--as the whole series has been. Heinberg and Cheung are my heroes, at the moment. They've just got that special synergy--that Millar/Hitch kind of thing. It's great.


I agree. The book is so well written. It is amazing. I like the characterization and The dialogue is freash. I wish the book were really left alone. It is what the new Warriors never were!

[Beast]

No words are possible.
Cryptically vague much?

[ocelotrevs]

Cryptically vague much?
i've been trying to find the words to describe this issue, and i couldn't.


plus it's also really late and i'm rather tired.

[Ogrebear]

Damm I'll miss YA its been such a cool ride so far.... the characters, dialouge, mystery, etc etc has been excellant- lets hope its keeps up for Season 2.

I am hoping the YA find Wanda but decide to leave her in the dark about who they are... leave her to enjoy her normal life and anonminity.

I would like YA to meet Quicksliver and Magneto..... esp the powerless Erik. That meeting would play with Magento's head a bit!

And finally I would really like the team to gain a 'young Beast' type - just for the cool continutity link, plus they could do with a medical/scientfic/genius on board....*grin*

[Beast]

And finally I would really like the team to gain a 'young Beast' type - just for the cool continutity link, plus they could do with a medical/scientfic/genius on board....*grin*
I agree. Maybe bring in a teenage X-Babies Beast or something. :D

[Bobster777]

Damm I'll miss YA its been such a cool ride so far.... the characters, dialouge, mystery, etc etc has been excellant- lets hope its keeps up for Season 2.

I am hoping the YA find Wanda but decide to leave her in the dark about who they are... leave her to enjoy her normal life and anonminity.

I would like YA to meet Quicksliver and Magneto..... esp the powerless Erik. That meeting would play with Magento's head a bit!

And finally I would really like the team to gain a 'young Beast' type - just for the cool continutity link, plus they could do with a medical/scientfic/genius on board....*grin*
I don't know what to feel about Wanda. I want to hate her for what she did, but if she does have clinical mental health problems, then she probably didn't have the right frame of mind when she did what she did. The only way we'll find that out really is if the YA kids interact with her. Otherwise, how will she ever have the chance to redeem herself?

[Gaz]

i've been trying to find the words to describe this issue, and i couldn't.


plus it's also really late and i'm rather tired.
Yes, but that phrase could be positive OR negative. Thus it's vague with a side of vague.:p

[hulkling1]

I agree. Maybe bring in a teenage X-Babies Beast or something. :D

For now, I would rather they not bring any new YA members in. We are just now getting to know the current characters. I want to see them developed more without the distraction of someone new.

Season 1 was about forming the team and introducing the characters. At the end of Season 2 they finally have an actual defined line up.

Season 2 should be about fleshing out these characters. Maybe at the end of 2, introduce a new member to give us something to look forward to in Season 3. But for now, work with what they have going for them.

[Tommy]

I love this series.

And I am really looking foreword to Wanda's return. Personally I am hoping that Hineburg reforms her (hopefully getting rid of all of Disassembled/House of M/ Decimation).

[Jeff F]

Haha, I just got it!

Billy and Teddy!

Kang being the first villian makes so much sense now.

Great issue, I loved Inertia joining the team.

[Beast]

Haha, I just got it!

Billy and Teddy!

Kang being the first villian makes so much sense now.

Great issue, I loved Inertia joining the team.
Got what? :confused:

And Inertia? Who's that? Don't you mean Speed?

[Jeff F]

Got what? :confused:

And Inertia? Who's that? Don't you mean Speed?

Young Avengers is secretly the tales of Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventures set in the Marvel Universe!

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/inertia.htmlhttp://www.hyperborea.org/flash/bigimages/inertia.jpg

[Beast]

That's the most absurd theory I've ever heard.

And Inertia just looks like a recolored Impulse. Speed is much more interesting.

[Jeff F]

That's the most absurd theory I've ever heard.

And Inertia just looks like a recolored Impulse. Speed is much more interesting.

But I bet it's totally right. You just wait until they have to go rescue Iron Lad from something and they hop in a phone booth. Just you wait.

Inertia is a recolored Impulse.

Speed just looks like an updated Inertia to me.

I think Inertia is a cooler name as well. Speed reminds me of the drug.

[Grazzt]

Speed reminds me of the drug.

Maybe that was on purpose. He is supposed to be the bad boy of the team.

[protege]

But I bet it's totally right. You just wait until they have to go rescue Iron Lad from something and they hop in a phone booth. Just you wait.

Inertia is a recolored Impulse.

Speed just looks like an updated Inertia to me.

I think Inertia is a cooler name as well. Speed reminds me of the drug.
Inertia doesn't quite do it for me- did this guy show up somewhere else?

[Jeff F]

Inertia doesn't quite do it for me- did this guy show up somewhere else?

Inertia was running around in Impulse a few years ago. Evil-clone/twin from the future type deal. He realized that being a villian wasn't quite for him so he went off to question his life. Hasn't been seen since. I thought he was a rather compelling character.

[Deathstroke]

It was a really good issue, but due to financial considerations, I'm undecided if I'll be coming back for Season Two.

[Tre Styles]

I just read it yesterday. And again this morning. Awesome issue. Great dialouge, greeeeeeeat art (of course that's to be expected from the great Cheung), and just overall a good feel. I am coming back for Season 2. (heh...interesting how comics are starting to be referred to as TV series) There were so many great moments in this:

The Wolverine/Tommy scene just had me grinning from ear to ear.

Hulking (who I say should be codenamed SHIFT...) and his emerging leadership and clever thinking. I thought he was going to leave as well like Karolina did in Runaways. I hope that they address this in the YA/RUnaways series. The Skrulls are warring all over the place huh? I'm not reading Annihilation (only because of finances) and maybe they deal with that there. I plan to pick up the trade though. Also, where is he going to live now? With Jessica? With Billy?

Tommy's new codename: Speed. I like it. I guess they can't add a "y" huh? :)
LOVE the costume design, but from an artist standpoint, the only thing I'd add to it is a silver stylized lighting like "S" in the front....pays even more homage to Quicksilver than it does already. Either way, it's cool.

Eli. Thanks for not killing him off is all I can say. Looking forward to the interactions between him, Tommy, and Kate.

Kate! I've loved her from Day 1. So she picks up the "Hawkeye" mantle...hmmmm. Well, she never really confirms it, but more like everyone wants her to be Hawkeye. She's not the type to really go along with what everyone wants, but she might take the name. But what happens when Clint returns? Hawkeye vs Hawkeye?!

So it's looking like it'll be a great next season. :cool:

[gloveman]

Picked it up and loved it. I'm itching to sink in to the next season. I may even pick up the Civil War Tie in with the Runaways. I sort of agree with Kirk G about the multiple splash pages- pretty but not a huge amount of story.

Maybe when the Seach for the Scarlet Witch begins the arc could be 'witch hunt'. When they first mentioned Speed I was kind of iffy about the name but I think it'll at least grow on me.

The interactions between the New and Young Avengers were great and I too hope Jessica Jones sticks around. Saying goodbye to Teddy's mum was a tear jerker but it seemed like ages since the issue where she died even though the time span in the issue barely gave Hulkling grieving time.

What I liked most was how Heinberg was able to have Kate tell Captain America off without making Cap seem like a jerk, which'd be very easy to do.

I'm just wondering who'll be Leader now that we've settled in with the team. Hulkling, Hawkeye, Wiccan and Patriot have all shown leadership qualities in season one.

All in all- I love this comic.

[Beyond The Beyonder]

One of the big guys, I forget whether it was Quesada or Brevoort, said that Kate will be sticking with the Hawkeye name. Which is just awesome. It wasn't too hard to see her adopting it, but the way Captain America handed it to her was just perfect.

This is the most exciting ongoing Marvel serise I'm reading right now. I get such a rush when I read a new issue!

[PretenderNX01]

But I bet it's totally right. You just wait until they have to go rescue Iron Lad from something and they hop in a phone booth. Just you wait.

Inertia is a recolored Impulse.

Speed just looks like an updated Inertia to me.

I think Inertia is a cooler name as well. Speed reminds me of the drug.
Speed's costume is an updat of Quicksilver's first costume, which was green:
http://www.americanicon.com/images1/sbgquicksilverbust.jpg
http://www.mac3.biz/cover/xmen4page7.jpg

So really Inertia was just a ripoff of Quicksilver. Speed is intentionally paternend on an Avenger.

I took speed once in highschool, never tried drugs again. But the name does explain all you need to know about Tommy in one sylable, plus its speaks of his edgier streak. And yeah, Speedy is owned by DC- so is Shift, he was an Outsider.

I like hwo Kate got the name Hawkeye, I'm not sure whether Clint is returning anytime soon, but maybe he'll want a different codename and a different place in the world. Or they'll be two Hawkeyes like how DC has two Flashes in Jay Garrick and now Bart.

[Jessica Drew]

Really liked the issue, and the Super Skrull/Hulking switcheroo threw me for a loop. I actually liked the multiple splash pages, because they DID have a bit of dialogue and panels on the right-hand side of the page, AND because the splash pages weren't static shots of, uh, images from space.

[Bobster777]

Really liked the issue, and the Super Skrull/Hulking switcheroo threw me for a loop. I actually liked the multiple splash pages, because they DID have a bit of dialogue and panels on the right-hand side of the page, AND because the splash pages weren't static shots of, uh, images from space.
Ha ha, I thought he was really going there for a while too. But then, I remembered how freakishly loyal Super Skrull is (having done this before for the Empress).

[DocSamson]

I originally picked up issue #1 as sort of a "novelty pick," but this comic never (no, not ever) failed to raise its game with every issue. I started out buying it as an afterthought, but now I rank it up there with faves like The Ultimates. Heinberg (if he chooses to be) can be a comics mover and shaker in the years to come.

[Will.S]

Tommy's new codename: Speed. I like it. I guess they can't add a "y" huh? :) I would have preferred if they called him "Speedster" as it fits pretty well in my opinion without sounding a bit weird.

LOVE the costume design, but from an artist standpoint, the only thing I'd add to it is a silver stylized lighting like "S" in the front....pays even more homage to Quicksilver than it does already. Either way, it's cool. It's certainly a nicely designed costume and it's cool the way it homages Quicksilver's old one but I'm already anticipating the switch to blue and silver since the green doesn't really make sense for any speedster IMO.

[Bobster777]

I originally picked up issue #1 as sort of a "novelty pick," but this comic never (no, not ever) failed to raise its game with every issue. I started out buying it as an afterthought, but now I rank it up there with faves like The Ultimates. Heinberg (if he chooses to be) can be a comics mover and shaker in the years to come.
Yeah, Heinberg is looking to be the next superstar writer. I can't wait till he gets one of the flagship titles on Marvel. So far, I have loved what he has done with one of the flagship characters on DC, Wonder Woman.

[Leebenhouse]

Shift would be such a bad name for the character. Knowing Marvel editing, someone would forget to put the "f" in there.

[Mjolnir]

Shoulda just gone with 'Speedster'

[Mjolnir]

Oh, and Hulkling definately needs a new name.
It should have something to do with Kree, something to do with Skrull, and NOTHING to do with Hulk.
Something cosmic.

I got it! "Quasar"!!!
Genius, no?

[Beast]

Oh, and Hulkling definately needs a new name.
It should have something to do with Kree, something to do with Skrull, and NOTHING to do with Hulk.
Something cosmic.

I got it! "Quasar"!!!
Genius, no?
Eh, I still like Hulkling. It still fits him, even if he has no ties to the Hulk.

[Mjolnir]

Eh, I still like Hulkling. It still fits him, even if he has no ties to the Hulk.

Yeah but don't you think that there's so much potential for something else? How many characters in the Marvel U can say that their dad was Captain Freakin' Marvel (not including test tube babie clones) and their mum was a Skrull princess?!
Whereas anyone big and green that comes along in the Marvel U could be slapped on the title 'Hulkling', Teddy has so much potential for a kickin' good name.
Don't get me wrong, i thought his name was good up til this arc :)

[Bobster777]

Yeah but don't you think that there's so much potential for something else? How many characters in the Marvel U can say that their dad was Captain Freakin' Marvel (not including test tube babie clones) and their mum was a Skrull princess?!
Whereas anyone big and green that comes along in the Marvel U could be slapped on the title 'Hulkling', Teddy has so much potential for a kickin' good name.
Don't get me wrong, i thought his name was good up til this arc :)
Would Skulkling be a good compromise? :D

[Young Avenger]

Would Skulkling be a good compromise? :D

How about Captain Skrull or Super Marvel?

[Will.S]

How about Captain Skrull or Super Marvel?
Bwahahaha!

[riotgear]

How about Captain Skrull or Super Marvel?

I still like "Captain Marskrull". :D

[Ogrebear]

Alternative names for Hulkling:

Captain Smash
Wallop
Hybrid
Shifter
Skullkree
Bulk
The Tank Guy


Oh and btw- can he change colour? I cant remember......

[saintsaucey]

Well he can change his hair color. If you notice in the first few issues he has Black hair as Hulkling but Blonde as his alter ego. Then later he has blonde as the Hulkling

[Stagier]

well considering he's shown human a while and then skrull the next, i would say he can change color.

and wasn't one of davis's clandestine characters name wallop?

and my 2 cents, i have no problem with hulkling.

[Deus ex Chris]

Hybrid
Of all the suggestions we've heard, I think Hybrid is the most suitable, and it goes well with the other codenames of the team (Wiccan, Stature, Hawkeye, Vision, Speed, Patriot).

Edit: Of course,"Hulkling" has grown on me, so I'm perfectly content with him retaining that codename.

[saintsaucey]

I love this series. Anyone know if they are doing a second set of figures with Stature, Hawkeye (who i think should be called Quiver) and Speed (who i have named Vortex) They should also rerelease the Iron Lad figure as The Vision II and Patriot in just the domino mask and the updated costume.

[kevicrombie]

how could jessica drew be there when veranke is still exiled and not empress yet? didnt she replace spider woman before she joined the new avengers?

[Peter F.]

how could jessica drew be there when veranke is still exiled and not empress yet? didnt she replace spider woman before she joined the new avengers?

The New Avengers had already formed by Young Avengers # 7. Veranke was probably already Empress at this time, she probably enjoyed fighting these skrulls though since they were loyal to Dorrek III instead of her.

Though the timeline is still a little screwy since the Skrulls would have come to her and made her Empress sometime during or after Annihilation, and you would think Young Avengers # 12 was set before Annihilation considering Kl'rt the Super-Skrull's significant role in both books.