Gambit?

[Clint Barton]

I freely admit I haven't read any X-Books for several years now, but I browse through them all when I go to my comic shop.

I've noticed that Gambit doesn't seem to be around anymore....what's he up to?

I have a weird theory that Gambit could be the "other" Daredevil.

[Jack Flash]

I freely admit I haven't read any X-Books for several years now, but I browse through them all when I go to my comic shop.

I've noticed that Gambit doesn't seem to be around anymore....what's he up to?

I have a weird theory that Gambit could be the "other" Daredevil.

Gambit got turned into Apocalypse's Horseman - Death. He's off recuperating and currently charcoal colored.

[Porcelain]

:D Funny time to ask, he's currently one of Apocalypse's horsemen (complete with black skin and white hair), well he was till last issue now he's an ex horseman for hire of sorts.

[The Lucky One]

I have a weird theory that Gambit could be the "other" Daredevil.

Because "Daredevil" was playing with that card during Civil War #1? Yeah, I wondered about that. My other thought was Bullseye, except I can't imagine what circumstances would lead to Matt asking either of them to fill in for him... especially Bullseye, obviously.

-D

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I freely admit I haven't read any X-Books for several years now, but I browse through them all when I go to my comic shop.

I've noticed that Gambit doesn't seem to be around anymore....what's he up to?

I have a weird theory that Gambit could be the "other" Daredevil.

Like the others said he became one of Apocalypse's Horsemen in one of the worst ever written X-stories.

I don't think he could be the 'other' Daredevil. He's not that flexible and agile.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Because "Daredevil" was playing with that card during Civil War #1? Yeah, I wondered about that. My other thought was Bullseye, except I can't imagine what circumstances would lead to Matt asking either of them to fill in for him... especially Bullseye, obviously.

-D

He hasn't asked either of them. That's the problem. Nobody knows who the imposter is.

[Dizzy D]

Like the others said he became one of Apocalypse's Horsemen in one of the worst ever written X-stories.

I don't think he could be the 'other' Daredevil. He's not that flexible and agile.

Superhuman agility is part of Gambit's power-set (if writers at least remember it)

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Superhuman agility is part of Gambit's power-set (if writers at least remember it)

Yes, granted he's above the average human, but I really don't see him capable of convincingly leaping from buildig to building, rooftop to rooftop, like Daredevil.

[Matthew K.]

Like the others said he became one of Apocalypse's Horsemen in one of the worst ever written X-stories.



^ & boy what a letdown Milligan's run on the X-Men was!

After reading some good stuff (or at least what seemed like good stuff at the time...you know before the continuous game of character russian roulette got trite) on the late X-Force & progeny X-Statix titles you'd think the man could spice up the X-Men a bit...but his run was largely left wanting & quite boring. I don't think I like Milligan as much as Edie, the Orphan & the Anarchist led me to believe!! :eek:

[Zombienorthstar]

Plus the new Daredevil didnt have black skin.

[Red Lotus]

Like the others said he became one of Apocalypse's Horsemen in one of the worst ever written X-stories.

I don't think he could be the 'other' Daredevil. He's not that flexible and agile.


This was so bad that I dont think saying it was the worst X-stores ever comes close to saying how bad this was. This was so bad Milligan made me hate uncanny(I know he had nothing to do with this book) just because they were X-men. I hope they just forget everything he did and retcon it like it never happened. I dont want to see any LS about Sinister, Gambit and Sunfire if he is the one writing it.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

This was so bad that I dont think saying it was the worst X-stores ever comes close to saying how bad this was. This was so bad Milligan made me hate uncanny(I know he had nothing to do with this book) just because they were X-men. I hope they just forget everything he did and retcon it like it never happened. I dont want to see any LS about Sinister, Gambit and Sunfire if he is the one writing it.

i doubt greatly that he will ever be given another X-Title that isn't X-Statix related for a very. long. time.

[Vaal]

Plus the new Daredevil didnt have black skin.
But unless you're Angel, how long does Horsemanification last, really? :p

[Clint Barton]

Thanks for the updates everyone! I guess my "theory" is shot to hell, huh?;)

[Valmore]

Yes, granted he's above the average human, but I really don't see him capable of convincingly leaping from buildig to building, rooftop to rooftop, like Daredevil.

Didn't read the Gambit solo issue where he and Daredevil tussled a bit, did you? Gambit is certainly a very capable acrobat.

[SincereAgape]

Gambit is very capable of being the next in terms of Daredevil. Gambit has one of the best agility rating second to Nightcrawler, Longshot, and maybe Psylocke on the X-men.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Gambit is very capable of being the next in terms of Daredevil. Gambit has one of the best agility rating second to Nightcrawler, Longshot, and maybe Psylocke on the X-men.

Nightcrawler is probably quicker, And Longshot's luck would stand him well. But Gambit? Psylocke!?

Hey, I love Psylocke, but she's not in the same class as Daredevil. And Gambit really is nowhere near. And yes, they've tussled back when Gambit was popular enough for his own series - but that was writtien to put Gambit over, better.

Daredevil is not that far short in agility and flexibility to Spider-man. Gambit could not swing across the rooftops as smoothly as either of them.

[Jack]

Didn't read the Gambit solo issue where he and Daredevil tussled a bit, did you? Gambit is certainly a very capable acrobat.I think you answered your own question there.

[Majinlex]

True, Gambit would be far more able than Hawkeye, the current favourite for the new DD, but from what happened recently in X-men, it's almost certain to not be him (always leave a little wiggle room :p )
Good theory though.

[f4faith]

Daredevil is not that far short in agility and flexibility to Spider-man. Gambit could not swing across the rooftops as smoothly as either of them.

And I disagree. When Gambit was introduced his agilty was easily set at close to equal to that of Daredevil's ability's - it was considered enhanced - more than Psylocke's. He was stated as such many times by Claremont and Lee about his agility long before the character ever met DD. Gambit's maycome from his being a mutant as compared to chemically enhanced but it was enhanced. That is has not been used is the bad writings fault not the character's. Not that I want Gambit as the new DareDevil as I never like Daredevil anyway.

[The Lucky One]

If I'm not mistaken -- and I may be -- Daredevil has no artificially enhanced agility- he's "merely" at the peak human agility, as in a step beyond Olympic athletes. Gambit, meanwhile, whether you consider it the result of a mutant power or just training, is probably at or about peak human agility. Neither of them is as fast as Longshot (hollow bones) or Spider-Man (proportionate speed of spider), and I don't know that you'd say Gambit is as good a fighter as DD, but they're probably fairly well matched in terms of straight agility. That's my take on it, anyway.

-D

[Valmore]

I think you answered your own question there.

So in other words - no, didn't read the solo issue?

[streator]

If I'm not mistaken -- and I may be -- Daredevil has no artificially enhanced agility- he's "merely" at the peak human agility, as in a step beyond Olympic athletes. Gambit, meanwhile, whether you consider it the result of a mutant power or just training, is probably at or about peak human agility. Neither of them is as fast as Longshot (hollow bones) or Spider-Man (proportionate speed of spider), and I don't know that you'd say Gambit is as good a fighter as DD, but they're probably fairly well matched in terms of straight agility. That's my take on it, anyway.

-D
i agree with the lucky one.
i also agree that gambit is probably not daredevil in civil war.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I still wouldn't see Gambit beating Daredevil one-on-one. He simply doesn't have Murdocks fighting discipline, and DD could easily second guess any move that he made.

I like Gambit as a character, but he does have his limitations.

Agile - yes.

Good with a staff - yes.

Limited blasting powers, with his cards - yes.

But as for swinging with a rope across the rooftops, or going up against the likes of Bullseye or Fisk? Gambit would get his ass handed to him. Bullseye in particular would deal him some damage.

[The Lucky One]

But as for swinging with a rope across the rooftops, or going up against the likes of Bullseye or Fisk? Gambit would get his ass handed to him. Bullseye in particular would deal him some damage.

A Bullseye/Gambit fight would be worth it solely for the look on Gambit's face when someone else throws playing cards at him.

As for a Gambit/Daredevil fight, I really don't know. DD's powers might give him the edge, as Gambit relies on being stealthy but it's pretty impossible to sneak up on a guy with radar senses. And he's definitely a better rooftop fighter... I guess it might depend on where they were fighting. A place with lots of uneven terrain and obstructions around, plus civilians forcing Gambit to be careful with his explosions, would favor DD; a wide open field might enable Gambit to get the advantage through sheer firepower.

-D

[streator]

I still wouldn't see Gambit beating Daredevil one-on-one. He simply doesn't have Murdocks fighting discipline, and DD could easily second guess any move that he made.

I like Gambit as a character, but he does have his limitations.

Agile - yes.

Good with a staff - yes.

Limited blasting powers, with his cards - yes.

But as for swinging with a rope across the rooftops, or going up against the likes of Bullseye or Fisk? Gambit would get his ass handed to him. Bullseye in particular would deal him some damage.
bullseye has handed his ass to him, but gambit was still able to come out of their encounter alive.
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[mattbib]

Gambit beat Wolverine...I think he'd stand a fair shot against Daredevil.
A Bullseye/Gambit fight would be worth it solely for the look on Gambit's face when someone else throws playing cards at him.
And Drew, as streator pointed out, Gambit and Bullseye have battled.

[Loestal]

Gambit beat Wolverine...I think he'd stand a fair shot against Daredevil.

And Drew, as streator pointed out, Gambit and Bullseye have battled.


When did he beat Wolverine? If that did in fact happen, that's honestly BS.

[The Lucky One]

When did he beat Wolverine? If that did in fact happen, that's honestly BS.

Right after the X-Tinction Agenda, when Wolverine was incredibly badly hurt (you know, in the days before he could instantly heal himself from being reduced to a skeleton), he and Gambit battled in the Danger Room and Gambit won... Jubilee, watching the fight, commented that Wolverine was clearly nowhere near his regular fighting capacity (while Wolverine remarked how much Gambit's fighting style reminded him of Longshot).

Although it's frankly not that hard to believe- when Wolverine stays calm and uses finesse and his accumulated fighting knowledge, he's nearly unbeatable; but when he goes berserker and just starts slashing, even Cyclops can beat him hand-to-hand, sans optic blasts.

-D

[Loestal]

Right after the X-Tinction Agenda, when Wolverine was incredibly badly hurt (you know, in the days before he could instantly heal himself from being reduced to a skeleton), he and Gambit battled in the Danger Room and Gambit won... Jubilee, watching the fight, commented that Wolverine was clearly nowhere near his regular fighting capacity (while Wolverine remarked how much Gambit's fighting style reminded him of Longshot).

Although it's frankly not that hard to believe- when Wolverine stays calm and uses finesse and his accumulated fighting knowledge, he's nearly unbeatable; but when he goes berserker and just starts slashing, even Cyclops can beat him hand-to-hand, sans optic blasts.

-D

The fact that he wasn't 100% automatically dismisses the fight as far as I'm concerned. There is NO WAY Gambit can take Wolverine legit. I figured there was some catch, and I'm not even that big of Wolverine fan...I just know that Gambit isn't that good period. Hell, he blinded himself with one of his own cards.

[Foley]

Gambit is a bad man when written correctly. A good example of what he should be is in the Xmen:The End series.

[Valmore]

The fact that he wasn't 100% automatically dismisses the fight as far as I'm concerned. There is NO WAY Gambit can take Wolverine legit. I figured there was some catch, and I'm not even that big of Wolverine fan...I just know that Gambit isn't that good period. Hell, he blinded himself with one of his own cards.

Oh, well since Gambit wasn't 100% when he fought Bullseye, I guess that means that fight is automatically invalidated as well. Since, after all, Gambit had been fighting off hired assassins all day long when Bullseye attacked him.