New Mutants Tv Show

[Betabox]

I think this could work as a tv show. A movie would be slightly disappointing.

[Affinity]

Feeling random, lately?

[e]

I didn't know you can edit in polls...now I look all grumpy here.

[Zombienorthstar]

I agree...i think it could work as sciene fiction Buffy type show...

It could be great....i would love it to be Whedon's new project!

[Betabox]

I agree...i think it could work as sciene fiction Buffy type show...

It could be great....i would love it to be Whedon's new project!

Exactly what i was thinking.

The thing that would take the icing would if patrick stewart was xavier.

[Zombienorthstar]

Exactly what i was thinking.

The thing that would take the icing would if patrick stewart was xavier.

Exactly if not they should just go for broke and cast Emma Frost and Banshee

Me personally id rather see Gen X and New Mutants meshed together

Possible lineups maybe?

[Siddon]

Live action is tricky budjets for TV shows rarely go very high (which is why Smallville was more about Clark and less about Super-man)

But if they do cast it then they should go for broke and have 10 main characters with two teachers, my cast would be

Dust
X-23
Hellion
Winddancer
Empath
Magma
Jubilee
Skin
Synch
Rahne

[Zombienorthstar]

Live action is tricky budjets for TV shows rarely go very high (which is why Smallville was more about Clark and less about Super-man)

But if they do cast it then they should go for broke and have 10 main characters with two teachers, my cast would be

Dust
X-23
Hellion
Winddancer
Empath
Magma
Jubilee
Skin
Synch
Rahne

I was thinking smaller...you need people who can also concievabley be friends after a few episodes...and powers that are easily translated to the small screen...Cannonball for example would cost too much week in week out.

Personally im starting to think a New X-Men centric series might be easier achieved

Prodigy
Wallflower
Wind Dancer
Elixir
and Hellion (he can serve as the Cordelia...in that initially hes set up as being quite hateful to the group but inevitably gets drawn into them -when he gets involved with Wind Dancer)

The beauty of a series that focuses on the school of mutants is that they can have a big villain for the series arc...and have other mutants within the school (lots of X-based cameos possible here) as the individual weekly conundrums.

[Novaya Havoc]

It was called Generation X. It was a poor movie with a planned syndicated spin-off, and it just didn't work.

I would feel the same about New Mutants.

[Zombienorthstar]

It was called Generation X. It was a poor movie with a planned syndicated spin-off, and it just didn't work.

I would feel the same about New Mutants.


I think thats an unfair estimation...just ebcause one show based on a franchise doesnt work it doesnt mean all will fail...The problem with Gen X was that it was poorly written and acted...fast froward about fifteen years X-Men are a much more credible media property therefore more likely to attract good writing etc

Its like saying Smallville shoul never have been made because the 'Superboy' series sucked.

[The Lucky One]

It's a great idea, but absolutely no to live action. Nuh-uh. There's not enough budget to do the characters justice- imagine Smallville, but with more complex powers, insane energy signatures, and 9 different main characters to allot money for. Warlock alone would bankrupt them.

No, no live action... but I've thought for years that a New Mutants series done in the style of Batman: The Animated Series would be amazing. Streamline the character designs (kinda like Bret Blevins did when he penciled the book), make the lineup the classic 9, draw mature stories from the comics like B:TAS did, and you've got a guaranteed hit on your hands.

-D

[Affinity]

Smallville is pointless. Clark gets with Lois.

The end.

[Zombienorthstar]

It's a great idea, but absolutely no to live action. Nuh-uh. There's not enough budget to do the characters justice- imagine Smallville, but with more complex powers, insane energy signatures, and 9 different main characters to allot money for. Warlock alone would bankrupt them.


-D

Hence why doing New X-Men with my suggested cast would be affordable and easier

Prodigy (power requires nothing more than acting)
Wind Dancer (power requires a wind machine :D )
Wallflower (power requires nothing more than acting)
Elxir (his appearance is the biggest thing...but we've seen extreme make up before in TV series eg. all of Star Trek Lorne in 'Angel'
Hellion- (his power is moving stuff around generally...which is still cheap)

[Affinity]

A cartoon would be more fun. Powers look cheesy and fake without spaceships and weird aliens, and fake even with. A cartoon, JUST like B:TAS as someone said, would be perfect. Pick up old school storylines, maybe branch off into New Mutants Unlimited type of thing where we just cover stories of the kids, including the Surge, Prodigy, and Wallflower group.

[Zombienorthstar]

I forgot Surge...once again i dont think electric sparks are that expensive when most of the casts powers can be used with acting.

[Affinity]

I see what you mean, it's not hard core telekinesis and earthquakes, but it'd still be hard...why waste your time on that when there isn't even an overt demand for it?

[e]

Look at Mutant X. They did the effects, but I never managed to watch a single episode of that show simply because it looked fake and cheesy.

[HellFrost]

I see what you mean, it's not hard core telekinesis and earthquakes, but it'd still be hard...why waste your time on that when there isn't even an overt demand for it?

[e]

Look at Mutant X. They did the effects, but I never managed to watch a single episode of that show simply because it looked fake and cheesy.
I love that show. They combined Emma Frost and Jean Grey into a single character. And she rocked! GO EMMA!!!!!!!(name of character) She was supposed to come back evil and super-ubber-powered...:D

But yeah... I'd rather another movie that gets a spin off. I'd also rather them combine New Mutants and Gen X. The Generation X movie was very campy, but i loved it. Wouldn't have worked with a spin off though plus they combined to many characters into eachother...

[Betabox]

Kitty Pride (Walking through walls would be easy on the effects)
Emma Frost (Psychics are easy to do powers)

If you think about it they need fresh visual artist talentry, think of mirromask, made for $4 million, the effects are ridiculously amazing.

[Novaya Havoc]

The whole thing sounds like X-Men Evolution 2 with me. In that case, just do another X-Men Evolution with characters like Havok, Dazzler, and Psylocke.

I actually wrote a TV/comic script for something like that. The Aussie team, but all were young kids in high school. That's the best medium for something like this.

[Faded]

Animated most def.

[AceOfSpades]

new mutants could definitly work given a good writer of the series... aim it toward teens, not little kids like most other super-hero shows nowadays

[Affinity]

I actually wrote a TV/comic script for something like that. The Aussie team, but all were young kids in high school. That's the best medium for something like this.

Aussie team! Awesome.

[ShatterStar]

it would have to be animated for my liking

[Betabox]

The whole thing sounds like X-Men Evolution 2 with me. In that case, just do another X-Men Evolution with characters like Havok, Dazzler, and Psylocke

The whole idea would be to steer clear of the x men teams, as the phrase x men would confuse the general public in terms of x men 3, especially if professor xavier would be in it.

I think we need to stick back to the original idea of the new mutants comic to translation to screen.

In terms of cartoon, i think at the moment the cartoon format is too niche, especially when it comes to comics.

Even though some cartoons derived from comics are amazing i think in terms of both a success for the fans and for a business success it needs a change.

From an evolution point of view i think a big franchise from marvel to tv is inevitable, and i think new mutants is a fantastic starting point.

[xakko]

Current New X-Men or New Mutants?

I would love to see an original New Mutants show. New X-Men- just too many characters I don't care about...

[jawbreaker]

Id only interested if Chamber was in it...he needs to break into one of the non-comics medium...

[drwho]

I could see a show be made kind of similar to Out of this World from the 80s but call it super hero high or something. Like saved by the bell and in each episode a few amount of powers would be used. I dont think it could do the New Mutants name justice.

[KittyPryde]

I agree...i think it could work as sciene fiction Buffy type show...It could be great....i would love it to be Whedon's new project!
Heck...if you let Whedon have Kitty Pryde in it, he might actually do it...

[The Lucky One]

Hence why doing New X-Men with my suggested cast would be affordable and easier

Except that no one really cares about the New X-Men, and definitely don't recognize them. Make it the classic New Mutants, especially the ones who have some name recognition from being in (sigh) X-Force, maybe swap Karma (sorry, Xi'an) for Kitty Pryde to draw in movie viewers, and you're there.

First story arc? POV character Doug Ramsey grows suspicious of the private school his friend Kitty Pryde attends and does some snooping around... and accidentally stumbles onto the New Mutants exercising their powers. His mind reeling, Doug doesn't know what to do, and Xavier is about to wipe his mind and send him packing... when a falling meteor lands in the lake! Distracted, the kids rush to it and find a bizarre alien being turning plants into circuitry and draining them of energy; but as they rush to combat it, Doug amazingly finds himself able to understand the creature and establishes a dialogue. The being introduces itself as Warlock and begs sanctuary from his father, the evil Magus who is pursuing him... and after much thought, Xavier decides to admit both Doug and Warlock as his newest students to teach them to use their abilities.

Then the first season builds to a climactic season-ending battle when the Magus finally arrives on Earth and Warlock and the New Mutants must confront him. Maybe Illyana Rasputin makes guest appearances throughout the first season, and early in the second season is kidnapped into Limbo and emerges as Magik! Or during the first season, the kids go on a field trip to Brazil, but accidentally stumble onto the lost civilization of Nova Roma and new teammate (or maybe just recurring guest star) Magma. Another story arc has a nervous Doug Ramsey still adjusting to life at Xavier's and feeling useless because of his power, so he's tempted by an offer of admission to the Massachusetts Academy... but when the Muties go to visit Doug and convince him to come back, they're ambushed by the White Queen and her students, the Hellions!

Damn, the more I write the more I think about how awesome this show could be... man, if only.

-D

[Affinity]

Yeah, that was awesome, Lucky.

[Siddon]

New Mutants

on FX

13 episodes for Season 1

plot the new mutant gene has caused a boom in the population of mutants Charles Xavier has commisioned a former pupil to start a new class. Its revealed at the end of episode 1 that a new Hellfire Club is starting to raise its own students

Cast Teachers Xaviers Banshee, Sage, Beast, Gambit/Bishop Hellfire Emma, Pierce

Format for season 1 each episode features a new mutant who may or may not take the side of the Hellfire club or the X-men, treat Season 1 more like the West Wing/Lost

episode 1 Kitty Pryde
episode 2 Cannonball
episode 3 X-23 (Wolverine should cameo)
episode 4 Boom Boom
episode 5 Thunderbird
episode 6 Jubilee
episode 7 Douglas Ramsey
episode 8 Sunspot
episode 9 Northstar
episode 10 Hellion
episode 11 Surge
episode 12 Dani
episode 13 Dust

Season 2 get rid of most of the teachers and have it be all about the New Mutants vs the Hellions

Season 3 combine the teams and bring Emma in

[Deus ex Chris]

Except that no one really cares about the New X-Men, and definitely don't recognize them.
Outside of comic book fans, who will recognize the original New Mutants? I'd say a New X-Men cast has just as good a shot as the original New Mutants, which is, admittedly, not much of one at all. An interpretation of the X-Men that doesn't include the core X-characters just wouldn't stick, in my opinion.

[The Lucky One]

Outside of comic book fans, who will recognize the original New Mutants?

Like I said, depends on who you involve. You have to have the one money character, the one audiences recognize from somewhere, the Robin of your Teen Titans- that's Kitty. Cannonball's your next best thing, since he's been an X-Man for a while, and Sunspot was in X-Force (which the aging 90's fans recognize) and has a very visual power. Go from there.

An interpretation of the X-Men that doesn't include the core X-characters just wouldn't stick, in my opinion.

A few years ago I might have agreed with you... but then the Teen Titans cartoon became a monster hit starring four characters no one in the world recognized, plus Robin. And they didn't need to have the Justice League constantly guest-starring (or, well, EVER guest-starring) to keep ratings up. Kitty Pryde admittedly doesn't have the same name recognition that Robin does, but she is reasonably well known (thank you, X3); and there's definitely no one on the New X-Men roster who can fill the same role.

-D

[Affinity]

I think the original new mutants are a little more fun and dynamic though, than these new guys (who seem to work better with a supporting cast, the other students constantly in the background or saying something, as the school IS a school and not just the seven main characters).

[Deus ex Chris]

I think the original new mutants are a little more fun and dynamic though, than these new guys (who seem to work better with a supporting cast, the other students constantly in the background or saying something, as the school IS a school and not just the seven main characters).
I'm going to disagree with that. Aside from Rockslide and Mercury--both of whom I find to be utterly boring and conceptually weak--the New X-Men (Hellion, Surge, Dust, Elixir, X-23) are incredibly interesting and seem to me to have lots of untapped chemistry.

[Affinity]

Don't get me wrong, I love the new team, but its just that: untapped chemistry. Unless Chris and Kyle or some fantastic writing team took the show, it'd be strange to see that untapped chemistry for the first time on the show and not in the comics.

Then again, I think The Lucky One's fantasy has made me loco for a classic New Mutants cartoon. That just sounds like so much fun.

And I want Xavier to be that creepy old weird guy that he was in that backup story for X-Men Unlimited, with Berto going after that girl in the coffee shop thing.

[Faded]

Outside of comic book fans, who will recognize the original New Mutants? I'd say a New X-Men cast has just as good a shot as the original New Mutants, which is, admittedly, not much of one at all. An interpretation of the X-Men that doesn't include the core X-characters just wouldn't stick, in my opinion.

I agree.

IMO the general public is probably most familiar with who was in the cartoons, movies, and video games/merchandising. I'm pretty sure if I asked all of my friends, next to zero would recognize Cannonball let alone Warlock.

I think either route you take, your starting fresh with blank slates to the general audience.

Personally, a classic New Mutants would be fun but the large school aspect is much more...funner to me. :D

[DoubleShot]

I'd rather see the original X-Men in a live action TV series. Not as much as I'd like to see a live action Spiderman series though.

[Betabox]

Format for season 1 each episode features a new mutant who may or may not take the side of the Hellfire club or the X-men, treat Season 1 more like the West Wing/Lost

episode 1 Kitty Pryde
episode 2 Cannonball
episode 3 X-23 (Wolverine should cameo)
episode 4 Boom Boom
episode 5 Thunderbird
episode 6 Jubilee
episode 7 Douglas Ramsey
episode 8 Sunspot
episode 9 Northstar
episode 10 Hellion
episode 11 Surge
episode 12 Dani
episode 13 Dust



Lucky's storyline and Siddon's proposed format would be amazing, the lost style flashbacks, can delve into when they discovered there powers, much like the starting pages of Marvel Graphic Novel 4.

Siddon your a legend for introducing jubilee, not very featured in comics but was a main x-man in the cartoons, and shes perfect for a role in the new mutants/x-men type thing.

In regards to title of the show, the name new mutants would go down like the titanic, Perhaps the title could be New X-Men as alot of people would instantly relate to the title.

[jawbreaker]

IMO the general public is probably most familiar with who was in the cartoons, movies, and video games/merchandising.
that would be Jubilee then... I say they should retry the Gen X as a series idea, this time animated...& this time have Chamber & Husk in it.

[The Lucky One]

that would be Jubilee then... I say they should retry the Gen X as a series idea, this time animated...& this time have Chamber & Husk in it.

Except nobody on Gen X but Jubilee has any name recognition, and hers probably isn't much more (if any) than Kitty. Plus Gen X doesn't have nearly as strong a comic story foundation to draw from as the original New Mutants do. I'd still give the nod to the Muties, or (if necessary) draw characters from both.

-D

[Mariah]

Except nobody on Gen X but Jubilee has any name recognition, and hers probably isn't much more (if any) than Kitty. Plus Gen X doesn't have nearly as strong a comic story foundation to draw from as the original New Mutants do. I'd still give the nod to the Muties, or (if necessary) draw characters from both.

-D
I just wish we had a fun comic like the original NM or Gen X around to read, let alone watch, instead of the New X crap. Sigh, I miss the good ole days.

[Novaya Havoc]

The whole idea would be to steer clear of the x men teams, as the phrase x men would confuse the general public in terms of x men 3, especially if professor xavier would be in it.

I think we need to stick back to the original idea of the new mutants comic to translation to screen.

In terms of cartoon, i think at the moment the cartoon format is too niche, especially when it comes to comics.

Even though some cartoons derived from comics are amazing i think in terms of both a success for the fans and for a business success it needs a change.

From an evolution point of view i think a big franchise from marvel to tv is inevitable, and i think new mutants is a fantastic starting point.

So... spending money on:
1. Marketing
2. Special Effects
3. Acting Talent

For a property affiliated with X-Men, but not called X-Men is a success for business, but a show that:
1. Features X-Men
2. Is called X-Men
3. Only expenditures are animators and voice acting talent

Is too niche?

In terms of cost, the latter is the far more viable option. A live action "New Mutants" would get axed so fast it's ridiculous.

[Mariah]

So... spending money on:
1. Marketing
2. Special Effects
3. Acting Talent

For a property affiliated with X-Men, but not called X-Men is a success for business, but a show that:
1. Features X-Men
2. Is called X-Men
3. Only expenditures are animators and voice acting talent

Is too niche?

In terms of cost, the latter is the far more viable option. A live action "New Mutants" would get axed so fast it's ridiculous.

You speak the truth. That's why I love you, that and our unashamed love for Dazzler

[Betabox]

What I am trying to say is that the ratings would increase being it has a label the x men label.

In terms of financing i could see if with the write script tv companies would buy it up because they can see potential in terms of revenue as they see in the movies.

A cartoon yeah it would be good, but in terms of being a new format for x-men it is not new.

With cartoons yes they can be picked up by cartoon network etc. but a live action series could get decent ratings.

Especially with blade tv series and Heroes coming out i think live action comic shows could be a sucess.

[Zombienorthstar]

Whats all this crap about 'name recognition'

Saying they can't use a New Mutants character but they could use Jubilee cause of the animated series is ridiculous!


How recognised was Jubilee before the Animated Series?

[The Lucky One]

How recognised was Jubilee before the Animated Series?

Not very... I think people's points were that because of the animated series, she's one of the more recognizable X-Men. The flaw in that argument is that she's one of the more recognizable X-Men... to people who grew up watching the animated series. Which would be us, but we're not the target demographic a New Mutants cartoon would be aiming for. Jubilee hasn't been high profile for several years, and I'd say that these days, kids are more likely to recognize Kitty Pryde (mostly from the movie) than they would be Jubes. That's not a knock on her character, it's just being realistic about name recognition.

-D

[Zombienorthstar]

Not very... I think people's points were that because of the animated series, she's one of the more recognizable X-Men. The flaw in that argument is that she's one of the more recognizable X-Men... to people who grew up watching the animated series. Which would be us, but we're not the target demographic a New Mutants cartoon would be aiming for. Jubilee hasn't been high profile for several years, and I'd say that these days, kids are more likely to recognize Kitty Pryde (mostly from the movie) than they would be Jubes. That's not a knock on her character, it's just being realistic about name recognition.

-D


So therefore its chicken and egg isnt it?

Would a new series make a character popular?

Or would a recognised series make the character popular?

I dont think it matters all that much. Sure Shadowcat as part of the roster may make the show more saleable but granted the series is well written, humorous and has good drama it will be a success anyway. I think the best name branding might be Joss Whedons involvement...then just slap an X on it...X-Men are a big franchise now...those two things combined would bring in both the Buffy/Firefly camps and the comic fans.

[jawbreaker]

well if Joss Whedon gets involved there'd probably be no point in me watching it...

but yeah, his name would make it a gauranteed hit...

[Betabox]

well if Joss Whedon gets involved there'd probably be no point in me watching it...

Why would you say that?

What he has done with astonishing x men is really good.

I guess he needs to do something after wonder woman.