The Worst Cartoons of All-Time

[ChaosBurnFlame]

It was a grand success on the third age. I nominate the Gene Deitch Tom and Jerry's. MGM was low on cash and had them done in one of those countries in Europe that no longer exist.

[Lance Christopher]

I nominate Gobots, its was by far the cheesiest transformers ripoff ever made. And also that little scooter just annoyed the hell out of me.

[Infinity Chameleon]

I can't remember what it was called, but it was that 80's or early 90's cartoon with Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, and Bo Jackson as superheroes. Interesting idea, really really *really* bad execution.

I also thought Mummies Alive! was particularly toxic.

[StoneGold]

I nominate Gobots, its was by far the cheesiest transformers ripoff ever made. And also that little scooter just annoyed the hell out of me.
Except that it came first. Love those time paradoxes.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

I can't remember what it was called, but it was that 80's or early 90's cartoon with Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, and Bo Jackson as superheroes. Interesting idea, really really *really* bad execution.


Pro Stars. Didn't that cartoon also say Bo Jackson could tear Redwoods out of the ground and use 'em as a bat against giant tanks?

[OverMaster]

Tom and Jerry Kids, The Flintstone Kids, Denver the Last Dinosaur and Fraidy Cat (does anyone else remember this one?).

[StoneGold]

Pro Stars. Didn't that cartoon also say Bo Jackson could tear Redwoods out of the ground and use 'em as a bat against giant tanks?
You say that like he can't. Or at least couldn't, before the injury.

[OverMaster]

It was a grand success on the third age. I nominate the Gene Deitch Tom and Jerry's. MGM was low on cash and had them done in one of those countries in Europe that no longer exist.

Was that the one where T&J were sickeningly nice to each other, or the series that still had them as rivals but very badly animated?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Rivals but VERYYY VERYYY VERYYYYYYY BADLY ANIMATED. Do a search on Gene Deitch.

[Lance Christopher]

Except that it came first. Love those time paradoxes.

Blast you and your,............truth!

[NEMESIS]

Popeye and son was pretty bad.

[NormanB]

Pro Stars. Didn't that cartoon also say Bo Jackson could tear Redwoods out of the ground and use 'em as a bat against giant tanks?

Pro Stars- it's all about helping kids.

AWFUL.

[Crinos]

Rivals but VERYYY VERYYY VERYYYYYYY BADLY ANIMATED. Do a search on Gene Deitch.

Yeah they used to show those periodically on CN. They couldnt even afford music, they just used sound effects. To be honest some of them were downright creepy, especially watching them late at night when your tired. Its probably one of the closest things youll get to acid without spending five bucks or watching Tim Curry's musical number from "The worst witch".

while were on the subject, anyone remember last summer when they were showing christmas blurbs on adult swim? I swear, sometimes that channel just likes to mess with people.

[Thnikkaman]

I'd say that (with the exception of Muppet Babies, of course) ALL the "[blank] as kids" cartoons are fairly awful.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Yeah they used to show those periodically on CN. They couldnt even afford music, they just used sound effects. To be honest some of them were downright creepy, especially watching them late at night when your tired. Its probably one of the closest things youll get to acid without spending five bucks or watching Tim Curry's musical number from "The worst witch".


After Deitch, if memory serves, They had to get Chuck Jones to save the franchise. Sadly, this was around when Jones was in his own strange phase. But yeah, the Chuck Jones Tom And Jerry's are weird too, but heads over heels alot better than the Gene Deitch garbage.

[Michael P]

Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain. Man, talk about killing a concept.

[Uratoh]

Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain. Man, talk about killing a concept.

it could have worked, if they did a series finalie where elmyra's interference actually caused brain to take over the world.

[Huh?]

I nominate that stupid harlem globetrotters cartoon from the seventies. I forget the name of it, but they all had the wierdest, dumbest powers (I think one was shaped like a spring or something). The plots were always so dumb and the animation was terrible.

Someone help me out with the name.

[Crinos]

Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain. Man, talk about killing a concept.

It didnt kill the concept.

It stuck the concept in a POW camp for 8 years, beat it, tortured it, made it build tanks for the Nazi's, starved it, beat it, comitted war crimes against it, had sex with its dog, THEN killed it.

[Xombie]

One day to my horror as I so excitingly turn on the tv to watch the comedic genius know as Invader Zim. I reeled back in anguish to discover.....
It has been replaced by a cartoon about 3 fat sumo wrestles who constantly talk about their butts and make potty fart jokes that the sheer stupidity would offend even a two year old.

[North]

I really hate a lot of this new junk. Poor animation, no plot and fart jokes. Its hard to name on especifically but catdog and that whole hybrid sicken me.


And Caillou, ugh. How could THAT be put on TV after ninja turtles and megaman.

[CDTM]

I nominate that stupid harlem globetrotters cartoon from the seventies. I forget the name of it, but they all had the wierdest, dumbest powers (I think one was shaped like a spring or something). The plots were always so dumb and the animation was terrible.

Someone help me out with the name.

I dunno what came first, but it looked to me a rip off of The Bionic Trio, which was an EXCELLENT cartoon series IMO.

Multiman, Waterman, and.. umm.. I forget now ^_^. But it was a pretty good one.

Bad toons...

I don't really remember Adventures of the Little Prince holding my interest, but damned if I can remember one ep.

[sslrranma]

I liked gobots. I think they both came out around the same time. unsure though. when i was a kid i prefered gobots to transformers.

Loony Toon babies. I can't stand it. saw the concept and hurled.

[Celisasu]

I'm curious how the heck comic art quality has gone up so much in the last decade(even if the stories haven't) while cartoon animation quality has fallen below levels from the 60's and 70's(story quality too).


Powerpuff Girls, Mucha Lucha, Ed Edd and Eddie, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc. Ditto for the assorted Adult Swim cartoons I see replacing the anime they used to run in the time slots such as the Venture Bros and Sealab.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

how about Hamtaro? I hated that show

[North]

I liked gobots. I think they both came out around the same time. unsure though. when i was a kid i prefered gobots to transformers.

Loony Toon babies. I can't stand it. saw the concept and hurled.


Yes Lonny Toon babies is horrible. UGH.

[Forte]

Dragonball Z is by far the most pathetic and annoying show around. I'd rather not watch a bunch of kids going around trying to sound tough. Add the crappy anime, the horrible voice acting and script, hey, you got yourself a shitty show.

[Gideon Quinn]

Spider-Man the animated series.

"Let's see.....I can choose any heroes I want to come to the planet with me.....I choose Storm!"

Just kidding you, CBF......:)

[Radical]

I liked gobots. I think they both came out around the same time. unsure though. when i was a kid i prefered gobots to transformers.

I felt the same way. I was thinking something like, "Transformers are cool, but they're a cheap rip-off of Go-Bots. They'll never last."

It's ironic that Transformers has lasted this long, and the few who remember Go-Bots see them as the rip-off.

And yeah, they came at the same time.

[Morrolan]

Spongebob.

[Silent Mobius2]

Rippin' Friends - it eats my mind...

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

I nominate that stupid harlem globetrotters cartoon from the seventies. I forget the name of it, but they all had the wierdest, dumbest powers (I think one was shaped like a spring or something). The plots were always so dumb and the animation was terrible.

Someone help me out with the name.


It was called the Super Globetrotters and other than one team member being a giant basketball and another having a giant afro,the other three team members powers were directly ripped off "The Impossibles",another Hanna-Barberra cartoon where three heroes are musicians by day and heroes by night with one having the power to multiply himself ,another with the power to turn himself into water and another who is part spring and can bounce all over the place (and also heat up the metallic parts of him body to red-hot levels.) Sad stuff really.

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

It was a grand success on the third age. I nominate the Gene Deitch Tom and Jerry's. MGM was low on cash and had them done in one of those countries in Europe that no longer exist.


Yes,the Deitch versions were the worst,but the Filmation versions were pretty bad...

Speaking of Filmation early on,they had the worst animation of virtually any animation studio (amazing,considering that alway had some of the best ideas to work with like Tarzan,Lone Ranger,Star Trek,He-Man and later,BraveStarr.)
,but it was always the same standing poses,the same"lips moves while jaw stays still",talking,and the EXACT same pieces of "action"footage seen in virtually all of their stuff.

1) Character running to right/left side of screen(Tarzan,He-Man,She-Ra)
2) Character swinging on vine(Tazan He-man in one ep.)
3) Character Jumping high above an onrushing opponent,usually a big cat (Tarzan,frequently,He-man,frequently,one time,a alligator-headed cat,She-ra,usually it's Catra in her cat-form,Fat Albert,witha ballet-learning student leaping over a neighborhood bully.)
4) Character stops another characters charge using a grab-roll move which sends opponent spinning/rolling across the ground.(Tarzan,against the apes,He-man,mostly on Beast-Man,although Trap-Jaw will do in a pinch,She-Ra,mostly against Hordaks Soldiers, and I believe that guy on the Red Sox did that exact same move last year on that Yankee manager... ;) )

Any who has seen enough Filmation knows that I am just showing the tip of the iceberg...

[Inkthinker]

I'd say that (with the exception of Muppet Babies, of course) ALL the "[blank] as kids" cartoons are fairly awful.


I'd go with that.

The right way to do it was Tiny Toons. That was an EXCELLENT example of how to do classic characters as younger versions, by making unique characters that represent the essence of what the older characters are (and then provide some of the best writing and animation that WB could muster).

Let's see, something terrible...

Thundercats. I used to think it was the bee's knee's until I tried to watch it as an adult, and let's be honest... that cartoon ba-LOWS. I never realized that Lion-O went to the Bill Shatner School of Acting.

For really, really bad... Sealab. The original, not the remake series (which is one of my top 10 favorites).

[Leslie Lee III]

Ren and Stimpy, Thundercats, Dragon Ball Z

[Artemis1]

Here are just a few:
Baby Loony Toons
Tom & Jerry Kids
Pokemon Next Generation and beyond
Super Robo Monkey Team Hyper Force Go!
Rugrats new generation before All Grown Up
Jumangi
Timon and Pumba
Little Mermaid the series

[Inkthinker]

Ren and Stimpy

Only after they screwed John K. out of his job.

"Space Madness" is pretty damn brilliant.

[pennywisdom]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers the animated MC Hammer show from Saturday mornings.

He had magic shoes, I think.... and of course, he fought crime. Every kid's cartoon character has to "fight crime".

[Michael P]

Ugh, Hammerman. Now that was a low point.

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers the animated MC Hammer show from Saturday mornings.

He had magic shoes, I think.... and of course, he fought crime. Every kid's cartoon character has to "fight crime".


Actually,any cartoon built around the star of the moment is terrible to some degree-Mr.T,Muhammed Ali,Macauley Culkins"Wish Kid",Rosanne Barrs"Little Rosie" the New Kids on the Block,etc....

[MKTerra]

I'm curious how the heck comic art quality has gone up so much in the last decade(even if the stories haven't) while cartoon animation quality has fallen below levels from the 60's and 70's(story quality too).

Powerpuff Girls, Mucha Lucha, Ed Edd and Eddie, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc. Ditto for the assorted Adult Swim cartoons I see replacing the anime they used to run in the time slots such as the Venture Bros and Sealab.
PPG I like a lot :) It's cute, and "wholesome," and actually funny. Dexter's Lab is also alright. But yeah, the other non-AS ones you listed can jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned... and add Billy & Mandy to the list for good measure.

Samurai Jack is/was awesome.

AS is still good in my book ^_^ Some new animes (GITS:SAC and Full Metal Alchemist) coming Nov. 6, and Read or Die OVA this weekend. What little of Venture Bros I've seen was funny enough, though Sealab not so much.

I also liked Mummies Alive :p

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

PPG I like a lot :) It's cute, and "wholesome," and actually funny. Dexter's Lab is also alright. But yeah, the other non-AS ones you listed can jump off a cliff as far as I'm concerned... and add Billy & Mandy to the list for good measure.

Samurai Jack is/was awesome.

AS is still good in my book ^_^ Some new animes (GITS:SAC and Full Metal Alchemist) coming Nov. 6, and Read or Die OVA this weekend. What little of Venture Bros I've seen was funny enough, though Sealab not so much.

I also liked Mummies Alive :p


Who was the Voice Actress for the Villians' staff in Mummies Alive ? One of the few good points of that series was that she sounded kinda-hot! :o

[Chou Blaster]

Only after they screwed John K. out of his job.

"Space Madness" is pretty damn brilliant.


Damn right! Ren and Stimpy had great moments.

I nomiante Power Puff Girls, it was used as torture for a certain Purple Bear, for crying ou t oud!

[MKTerra]

Who was the Voice Actress for the Villians' staff in Mummies Alive ? One of the few good points of that series was that she sounded kinda-hot! :o
Staff's name's Heka. The VA is Pauline Newstone, according to a Google search :)

Edit: Looks like she also did Airazor in Beast Wars, and Frieza in DBZ...

[sslrranma]

lets not forget the kid n play cartoon as well. denver the last dinosaur as well. "Modern Minny" which was a short special with Minny Mouse trying to make a nerd cool. VERY 80s.

[Ugoff]

Ren and Stimpy, Thundercats, Dragon Ball Z

Thank goodness we all have varied taste. Thundercats may blow while watching it as an adult I agree but it is definitely a great show for kids. Ren and Stimpy is fantastic.

Love Lloyd in Space/PPG/Kim Possible/Tutenstien/Billy&Mandy(how could
anyone hate B&M!?lol)/Brandy&Mr.Whiskers/Recess/KidsNextDoor/Gargolyes/Talespin/DuckTales/Cow&Chicken/Dexters Lab/Rugrats/AllGrownUp/Sheep in the Big City. The good definitely out weigh the bad.

But for the bad I would say Yu gi oh(one of the worst ever), Beyblade, Rave Master and any other cartoon similar to those pieces of crap. Oh the cartoon with that Ghost kid is pretty crappy too. I like Danny Phantom but something about it just annoys me.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Well That whole D.I.C. line-up was AWFUL. Super Duper Sumos(who pitched that, bad animation and worse stories)
Mummies Alive - Just Lame through out...Wasn't there already a cool villain named scarab?(Bionic Six still rules)
Adventures of Sherlock Holmesss (some Future year 2145 or some junk)
Was the best from the bunch animation and story wise but it was just plain boring.
Then you had Sonic Underground, still using Urkle's voice. And the you had Sonic X to compare it to.
Then they had this horrible CGI/live action show Ace Lightening....wreched. The Characters looked lame and the story was a reverse Captain N the game master.

There have been a lot of stinkers out there and I'm sure many more will come.

[Ugoff]

Here are just a few:
Baby Loony Toons
Tom & Jerry Kids
Pokemon Next Generation and beyond
Super Robo Monkey Team Hyper Force Go!
Rugrats new generation before All Grown Up
Jumangi
Timon and Pumba
Little Mermaid the series

I just dont know why anyone would greenlit Baby Loony Toons. LOL. But I guess it's for the kids, the very small ones. I dont know what the deal is with the never ending boring story of enslaving animals on Pokeman is about. But the kids dig it. Oh no one mentioned Digimon! I really dug it the first three season or whatever but with the confusing slow neverending storylines and revamps/cast changes why bother? Jumanji on the other hand was my obsession. The movie rocked and the cartoon was a stroke of genuis. Sorry but I'm obsessed with both. I'm such a geek. What didn't you like about Jumanji? I wish there was some way they could do Jumanji 2 the movie. Anyone know how well the first movie did?<I should really know the answer to that question. LOL!

[cmdrbond007]

Aaahh!!! Real Monsters... just kidding... :D

[cactusmaac]

James Bond Jnr.

[Alex]

Dragonball Z is by far the most pathetic and annoying show around. I'd rather not watch a bunch of kids going around trying to sound tough. Add the crappy anime, the horrible voice acting and script, hey, you got yourself a shitty show.
A fricken men
Also, the sonic cartoon with the crappy animation and backgrounds, when he was always eating chili dogs.
it wasnt a show, but the 3d Gi Joe they did, where beachhead was a surfer, and various other characters also sounded like surfers.
The new Transformers where optimus prime was a firetruck
(The last two are probably because it ruined my child memories)
Spiderman Unlimitted
that stupid Avengers Cartoon
the jackie chan cartoon, which we once debated here. I think a cartoon, and i saw an episode which i still hold had the cheapest animation ive ever seen, where one of the main characters speaks entirely in broken english couldnt be more annoying.

[Patient Boy]

I nominate that stupid harlem globetrotters cartoon from the seventies. I forget the name of it, but they all had the wierdest, dumbest powers (I think one was shaped like a spring or something). The plots were always so dumb and the animation was terrible.

Someone help me out with the name.

While everything you said is true, I think this series also inspired one of my favourite episodes of Futurama.


Thundercats. I used to think it was the bee's knee's until I tried to watch it as an adult, and let's be honest... that cartoon ba-LOWS. I never realized that Lion-O went to the Bill Shatner School of Acting.


Ditto.

This is one of those things that I thought was incredibly cool as a kid, and when I watched it as an adult it was incredibly horrible. Same thing as with Centurions. The concepts were much cooler than the actual cartoons.

James Bond Jnr.

Dear God I'd almost forgotten about that. Yes, definitely. A junior...and it wasn't even the original's son. What was up with all the "Kids", "Baby", "Young" and "Junior" versions of characters they used to make into cartoons? I don't think it ever really made the cartoons more appealing to kids.

And I liked Mummies Alive, or more to the point, the character designs. They were cool.

[Crowley]

Voltron. Hmmm... I wonder how the next episode of Voltron will end?

oh, oh... look at that they combined, they have the sword... and sliced in half. Never saw that coming!




and let us not forget Turbo Teen.

[cmdrbond007]

James Bond Jnr.
How could I forget about this atrocity?! :)

[Athena Bast]

Please tell me I'm not the only one who remembers the animated MC Hammer show from Saturday mornings.

He had magic shoes, I think.... and of course, he fought crime. Every kid's cartoon character has to "fight crime".
I see you Hammerman and hand you a New Kids On The Block.

[Athena Bast]

Voltron. Hmmm... I wonder how the next episode of Voltron will end?

oh, oh... look at that they combined, they have the sword... and sliced in half. Never saw that coming!




and let us not forget Turbo Teen.
You can say the same for Power Rangers too.

Heck they even made it part of the story in Ninja Storm. Lothor (ha!) and the girls sent monster of the week down. Monster gets butt handed to them by the Rangers... then Lothor says "Now what do we do girls?" I think he was trying to train them to be evil geniuses or something. "We know! Send a scroll and make them big!!" "Yes Girls. We send down a monster, it gets blown up and we send a scroll down to make it big!" The girls press a couple buttons and down goes the scroll. THey jump around all gleeful and cheery.

[TheBestRobot]

At 5am one morning, after a really long drinking session me and my friends had the extreme unpleasure (it's a word, trust me) of watching "Extreme Dinosaurs".
Have you ever had a younger cousin who comes round to your house and goes crazy? Making "RUH!" noises and kicking your cat, wacking your guitar with sticks and being unforgivably violent? Hey! That kid was "Extreme Dinosaurs" target audience. Horrid violence held together by a barely conceivable plot. It made me pretty uncomfortable.
I also hate Dragonball-Z for pretty much the same reason. I also think that bulbous anime style is grotesque. Children should NOT be that shape. I hate Ultimate MUSCLE for the same reason and for the fact it tries too hard to be "random"
I can't stand Home Movies. Is it supposed to be funny? It's just people drawn in MS Paint acing kind of awkward? What?

[Artemis1]

. What didn't you like about Jumanji? Anyone know how well the first movie did?<I should really know the answer to that question. LOL!
I liked the Jumanji movie, but the series had bad animation, barely even followed off the movie AT ALL, and was waaaayyyyy too pointless. Also, at the box office, Jumangi did pretty well the first few weeks, then cooled down a little. But yes, Jumanji did do well.

[Crowley]

At 5am one morning, after a really long drinking session me and my friends had the extreme unpleasure (it's a word, trust me) of watching "Extreme Dinosaurs".
Have you ever had a younger cousin who comes round to your house and goes crazy? Making "RUH!" noises and kicking your cat, wacking your guitar with sticks and being unforgivably violent? Hey! That kid was "Extreme Dinosaurs" target audience. Horrid violence held together by a barely conceivable plot. It made me pretty uncomfortable.
I also hate Dragonball-Z for pretty much the same reason. I also think that bulbous anime style is grotesque. Children should NOT be that shape. I hate Ultimate MUSCLE for the same reason and for the fact it tries too hard to be "random"
I can't stand Home Movies. Is it supposed to be funny? It's just people drawn in MS Paint acing kind of awkward? What?

Dinosaucers on the other hand RULED ALL!
:cool:

[Greg Hatcher]

Pfui. None of the shows listed so far can match the sheer crazed awfulness of Super President. (http://www.alphalink.com.au/~roglen/super_president.htm)

No, I'm not making it up, and no, it wasn't a parody show.

[WebSlinger]

First of all for me nothing is worse than that MC Hammer and New Kids on the Block cartoon.

Gobots
That new He-Man cartoon (it failed to hold my attention at all)
Men in Black
Rosie (that annoying brat voiced by Roseanne Barr)
James Bond Jnr
Hulk Hogan's Rock n' Wrestling

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned Mucha Lucha. I mean, come on, it is so bad, yet they keep showing it and have a stupid Mucha Lucha Giante now!

[Athena Bast]

I like anime.. but I loathe Dragonball Z

Neon Genesis Evangelion, X, BoogiePop Phantom

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I like anime.. but I loathe Dragonball Z

Neon Genesis Evangelion, X, BoogiePop Phantom
that means you like mostly Shojo, and your a girl right? Then it is understandable that you don't like DB or DBZ.

[Justin Davis]

It does me good to see people call Dragonball Z one of the worst cartoons ever. I've tried more than once to sit down to watch it and it's just plain horrible. Some of the worst animation I've ever seen, the voice acting is abolutely horrible, and the design is lacking. I truly don't understand how it has the beloved status that it does. Maybe because it's easy to imitate someone yelling and shooting balls of energy. It could be there's actually something to the convoluted plot, but who would know or care with how badly it's done? Just horrible.

[Kirayoshi]

Voltron. Hmmm... I wonder how the next episode of Voltron will end? Oh here here! I remember watching an episode of Voltron while babysitting my then-five-year-old nephew. Voltron was fighting an invisible monster robot, and were able to aim their weapons at the thing by tracking its shadow. I immediately said, 'Time out!', asking how an invisible object can cast a shadow. My nephew, on the other hand, heard me say 'Time out', and thought I was sending him to his room, so I had to backtrack quickly.

For TV animation, there are too many choices for me to narrow them down. Of currently produced animation, I'd go with Mucha Lucha. I've truly seen better quality animation on flash websites!

Anime, I'd have to say Yu-Gi-Oh. Sorry, but except for Celebrity Poker, watching other people playing cards is boring!

For movie animation, I give the nod to the period when Warner Brothers farmed out the Looney Tunes to 7 Arts. Uh, why pair Daffy Duck with Speedy Gonzales? Was there some hidden chemistry between them that lacked between Daffy and Bugs? Even worse was their Roadrunner and Coyote cartoons. Compared to the original, and often brilliant, Chuck Jones creations, these were painful to watch. The Roadrunner should never actively take on the Coyote, except for the odd moments when he goes 'Beep Beep', causing the Coyote to jump off a cliff. The Coyote is his own worst enemy, he doesn't need the Roadrunner ganging up on him!

[Kirayoshi]

Oh, and one more. In terms of animation quality, I'd vote for the "TV's Funhouse" clips that occasionally crop up on Saturday Night Live, except that what they lack in terms of character design and actual animation, they often make up for in just plain being funny as all Heck. I really enjoyed a 'Fun with Real Audio' spot where Jesus tried to get the attention of various televangelists on Christmas Eve, only to be ignored as the TV preachers went on political right-wing screeds. Jesus then made Kathie Lee Gifford disappear in the middle of her Christmas special, then clicked an invisible remote in front of a department store window showing various TVs, hopping from 'Greatest Story Ever Told' to a Christmas episode of Happy Days, until finally landing on the scene from 'A Charlie Brown Christmas' where Linus is reciting the story of the Nativity. The last scene featured a smiling Jesus, bopping down the street to the Peanuts theme song.

[DLFerguson]

It does me good to see people call Dragonball Z one of the worst cartoons ever. I've tried more than once to sit down to watch it and it's just plain horrible. Some of the worst animation I've ever seen, the voice acting is abolutely horrible, and the design is lacking. I truly don't understand how it has the beloved status that it does. Maybe because it's easy to imitate someone yelling and shooting balls of energy. It could be there's actually something to the convoluted plot, but who would know or care with how badly it's done? Just horrible.

Damn skippy. If I had a choice between drinking a pint of bullpiss or watching DRAGONBALL Z I'd have to sit down and think about that one for few minutes.

[cactusmaac]

How could I forget about this atrocity?! :)

I'm still trying to.

The.......horror!

[Copper]

For TV animation, there are too many choices for me to narrow them down. Of currently produced animation, I'd go with Mucha Lucha. I've truly seen better quality animation on flash websites!



That's because it's entirely done in Flash.
:D

[mattbib]

I hate DBZ. I also hate the latest Transformers offerings, especially Robots in Disguise.

[Phrozen]

Powerpuff Girls, Mucha Lucha, Ed Edd and Eddie, Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, etc. Ditto for the assorted Adult Swim cartoons I see replacing the anime they used to run in the time slots such as the Venture Bros and Sealab.

You mean the craptastic anime like Reign, Wolf's Rain, and .//hack.sign? Venture Bros. and Sealab 2021 are hilarious shows and much better then the above shows.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Wolf's Rain did suck. I mean, The "World Resets itself" ending is WAAAY overdone.

[stealthwise]

Pro Stars. Didn't that cartoon also say Bo Jackson could tear Redwoods out of the ground and use 'em as a bat against giant tanks?

That was one of the best shows ever! :)

[tangentman]

DBZ must. die.
I also hate the "any-given-character-as-kids" show, Flintstone Kids and A Pup Named Scooby Doo were particularly painful. Muppet Babies was the only cartoon which pulled off this idea.

Then again, I despise "cutesy" cartoons, which seemed to dominate Saturday morning TV after 1986. Gone were Dungeons & Dragons, the Super Powers show, Spider-Man & His Amazing Friends. Along came "funny animal" shows, and "nice" toons. Blegh. I started sleeping in late at this point.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

DBZ must. die.
Why do you hate it, or do you just hate good anime? And, that is a mean post.

[sir_snikt'alot]

extreme heroes-blatant excuse to sell toys,all the characters were bulked up,primed for the toy shops.

and there is nothing wrong with dragonball z,dragonball gt on the other hand...

[sir_snikt'alot]

oh and also dragonball z is from the 80's/early ninetys so give the animators credit,its got some of the best/fastest moving fight animation out there,does anyone remember fight scenes in transformers or he-man? they were piss poor,so before you give something stick remember give it a chance.

transformers rule,the end.

[tangentman]

Why do you hate it, or do you just hate good anime? And, that is a mean post.

I hate DBZ because I see nothing in that show which even remotely captures the quality of "good anime". That you even suggest this is a joke.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I hate DBZ because I see nothing in that show which even remotely captures the quality of "good anime". That you even suggest this is a joke.
It is a great anime. The animation was awesome, the story was awesome, the sound and effects were awesome. Tangentman, it is a legend among anime, created by the comic Genius of Akira Toryiama. Surely, you have read and or saw Dragonball or read the manga. You are just plain, forgive my french, stupid, if you don't like it. I bet you have only seen the dub, not the original, uncut show. In fact, if it wasn't for Dragonball, Anime surely would not have taken off in the US or all over the World. I bet you also hate the face that Goku has surpassed almost every hero in american comics, right?

[tangentman]

The version I saw was lame, redundant, with the basic plot being "badly drawn characters shout a lot and fire power blasts at one another". If I'm stupid for hating this lameness, then hand me my dunce cap, I'll wear it with pride. I would actually argue that your apparent, blind love for all things anime renders you incapable of determining quality toons from trash :p

[MacQuarrie]

Pinky, Elmyra, and the Brain. Man, talk about killing a concept.
As it happens, the producers and writers of the series agree with you. Elmyra was foisted upon them.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

The version I saw was lame, redundant, with the basic plot being "badly drawn characters shout a lot and fire power blasts at one another". If I'm stupid for hating this lameness, then hand me my dunce cap, I'll wear it with pride. I would actually argue that your apparent, blind love for all things anime renders you incapable of determining quality toons from trash :p
You are a jerk! I am not calling you stupid, and it is obviously apparent that you do hate anime. It is not badly drawn! It has better art than most of the american cartoons! Plus, it was made in the 80's/early 90's, and the animation was of better quality than most eighties shows. You are just being a jerk, and you are blind! Plus, I don't like all anime you idiot!

If you are a fan of anime, name the types that you like! You big ****** jerk!

[Indigo Al]

Actually,any cartoon built around the star of the moment is terrible to some degree-Mr.T,Muhammed Ali,Macauley Culkins"Wish Kid",Rosanne Barrs"Little Rosie" the New Kids on the Block,etc....

The Gary Coleman show was the absolute low point for me.

I also hated the Gummi Bear Adventures.

[Artemis1]

[QUOTE=SuperSaiyaMan12]You are a jerk! I am not calling you stupid, and it is obviously apparent that you do hate anime. It is not badly drawn! It has better art than most of the american cartoons! Plus, it was made in the 80's/early 90's, and the animation was of better quality than most eighties shows. You are just being a jerk, and you are blind! Plus, I don't like all anime you idiot!
Relax, dude. :cool: It is YOUR opinion. I have learned that if someone is not making fun of your opinion or critisizing but simply saying they don't like it why doesn't make them bad. All that means is that you have a different opinion. So what if someone doesn't like DBZ. I'M no big fan of it either. That doesn't mean people who like it are BAD. It just means they have a different opinion.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

[QUOTE=SuperSaiyaMan12]You are a jerk! I am not calling you stupid, and it is obviously apparent that you do hate anime. It is not badly drawn! It has better art than most of the american cartoons! Plus, it was made in the 80's/early 90's, and the animation was of better quality than most eighties shows. You are just being a jerk, and you are blind! Plus, I don't like all anime you idiot!
Relax, dude. :cool: It is YOUR opinion. I have learned that if someone is not making fun of your opinion or critisizing but simply saying they don't like it why doesn't make them bad. All that means is that you have a different opinion. So what if someone doesn't like DBZ. I'M no big fan of it either. That doesn't mean people who like it are BAD. It just means they have a different opinion.
But, at least you are being nice about it. He was not!

[Artemis1]

But, at least you are being nice about it. He was not!
Then just ignore him/her. Don't lure yourself into that.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Well, he was also making fun of my opinions. I was just questioning him, and all he did was insult me, call me blind, and other mean stuff

[Royal]

http://iguinho.ig.com.br/images/papel_parede/diabolik_800x600.jpg

Diabolik

Thank god they didn't air it. I don't know how the hell they be able to pull it off.

[Mike Pothier]

Whoa, lets all calm down about DBZ. Some love it, some don't. No need to start throwing poo at each other.

[Artemis1]

Well, he was also making fun of my opinions. I was just questioning him, and all he did was insult me, call me blind, and other mean stuff
Don't lure yourself into that.

[Extreme_too]

http://iguinho.ig.com.br/images/papel_parede/diabolik_800x600.jpg

Diabolik

Thank god they didn't air it. I don't know how the hell they be able to pull it off.

Yeah!!! I couldn't believe they made a cartoon of that after seeing the final MST3K!

Crazy.....

-Aaron

[Deskad]

About, Dbz, and this is the only post I'll put up here on it.

The show was made over a decade ago, actually, 1.5 decades ago, in 89 IIRC. So judging its animation level by today's standard is just plain foolish. They simply didn't have the tech to do the really fluid stuff back then.

As far as storylines go, it was great, and actually revolved around more than battle. Families formed, friendships formed, histories discovered, talents revealed, children grew and time and history actually passed. Which is more than what most american cartoons, if not all can show.

Dbz is an undisputable legend with anime, the fans of which are not just kids, but teens and adults as well, some of whom go to universities and some of whom already have jobs and families and happen to be intellectuals as well. I know such people, I am a University student and a faN of DBZ myself. So storyline it must have had something to have such a wide fan base.

As for the arts style, some like it, some do not, but Toriyama is a legend and a good artist respected in the world and that is also an undisputable fact.

You may not like DBZ, but to say it had nothing is ludicrous, for if it truly had nothing, how on Earth does it still retain such a large and diverse fan base more than a decade after its end?

That's all I have to say.

[Deskad]

http://iguinho.ig.com.br/images/papel_parede/diabolik_800x600.jpg

Diabolik

Thank god they didn't air it. I don't know how the hell they be able to pull it off.

I don't know anything about the show or the characters or nothing like that. In my opinion however, that picture actually looks sorta cool, can somebody explain why that show or whatever was so bad?

[Artemis1]

There you go, guys. That's the stuff I'm talking about. Give your thought. Don't bash others.

[Convoy]

GI Joe Extreme

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

now, back onto topic. Most of the 15 minute cartoons on Adult swim are pretty bad, animation wise. But I can't stand Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law or Space Ghost. Those were just plain sad

[Artemis1]

Actually, I love those Adult Swim 15 minute cartoons. Aqua Teen and Harvey Birdman are hilarious!

[Royal]

I don't know anything about the show or the characters or nothing like that. In my opinion however, that picture actually looks sorta cool, can somebody explain why that show or whatever was so bad?

Diabolik is an Italian comic about the adventures of a master theif & his accomplice, Ava, as the go on heist to loot bad people, screw with the police & sex each other up. It was such a success at the time, they made a movie based on it staring John Phillip Law. It was campy, but it was good camp.

Then FOX, for some reason thought it was a good idea to make a cartoon. I'm guessing they never saw the source material until later. In the cartoon, Diabolik tries to rob the Crown of Theives from his much more wicked brother (???)

I wonder how they were gonna pull the nudity, sex & violence off.

[Spiff]

DBZ had gigantic plot holes and apparently didn't know the meaning of the word "pacing."

But I think if there's one thing I hate more than DBZ, it's DBZ fanboys. I especially love the ones Something Awful highlight on their Weekend Web feature from time to time. Classic.

But hey, I guess if you're a fan of big random blast the crap effects, then DBZ was your anime.

Also, I have a hatred for King of the Hill, because it lived while Futurama died. Really, when the punch line of every joke seemed to be "I'm a redneck, haha," it really, really started to get boring and pointless. AND IT CANNIBALIZED FUTURAMA!

I was also not a fan of Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters, as opposed to just The Real Ghostbusters. Especially since that "spin off" was shown intermittently with The Real Ghostbusters.

I also couldn't get into Static Shock, and was quite saddened that that too lived while Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project died.

I also couldn't get into Aeon Flux or Reign the Conqueror. The design and style of the shows put me off.

Thanks for reminding me of Pinky, Elmyra, and The Brain. Don't know what kind of crackhead thought up of that idea.

[Artemis1]

I didn't really like that show Atomic Betty or Da Boom Crew. Atomic Betty was a show that tried too hard and Da Boom Crew is a sci-fi pimp show that has bad plot, animation, characters, and lines.

[Deskad]

DBZ had gigantic plot holes and apparently didn't know the meaning of the word "pacing."

But I think if there's one thing I hate more than DBZ, it's DBZ fanboys. I especially love the ones Something Awful highlight on their Weekend Web feature from time to time. Classic.

But hey, I guess if you're a fan of big random blast the crap effects, then DBZ was your anime.

Also, I have a hatred for King of the Hill, because it lived while Futurama died. Really, when the punch line of every joke seemed to be "I'm a redneck, haha," it really, really started to get boring and pointless. AND IT CANNIBALIZED FUTURAMA!

I was also not a fan of Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters, as opposed to just The Real Ghostbusters. Especially since that "spin off" was shown intermittently with The Real Ghostbusters.

I also couldn't get into Static Shock, and was quite saddened that that too lived while Batman Beyond and The Zeta Project died.

I also couldn't get into Aeon Flux or Reign the Conqueror. The design and style of the shows put me off.

Thanks for reminding me of Pinky, Elmyra, and The Brain. Don't know what kind of crackhead thought up of that idea.


You know, except for the DBZ part, I agree with you wholeheartedly. How do shows with lame ass stories and stupid jokes beat kickass shows with potential, do people like ame nowadays?

[Artemis1]

Actually, Static Shock was racist and shouldn't have been made. The animation's bad, Static complained that they're not enough black heroes out(that's a joke, right? I can automatically name 6), and the jokes are either dumb or mean. TERRIBLE kid's show.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Actually, Static Shock was racist and shouldn't have been made. The animation's bad, Static complained that they're not enough black heroes out(that's a joke, right? I can automatically name 6), and the jokes are either dumb or mean. TERRIBLE kid's show.
For me, it was the gun episode that did it.

[Artemis1]

The gun episode was a memorial for the school attack.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

The gun episode was a memorial for the school attack.
It doesn't suddenly make it 'better'.

[Artemis1]

It doesn't suddenly make it 'better'.
I never said it did. All I did was clear that up for you. SHEESH!

[Deskad]

I agree with Chaos Burn Flame on the gun episode thing.

My question...

Why the HELL would a frickin superhero, who got blasted at with everything from slingshots to fire balls to huge plasma cannons and has faced numerous supervillians of some power be so freaked out by some punk with a gun?? It makes no sense to me.

[Artemis1]

Venture Bros. has gotten stupid. The last episode sucks!

[ChaosBurnFlame]

because A gun animated itself and killed his mom, that's how :rollseyes:

[Grant]

I think most of the cartoons I watched as a kid suck now. But considering I'm 24 that's probably a good thing.

Anyways my least favorite cartoon is probably Family Guy. It feels like a series of obscure pop cultures references set to animation. I know that's why some people like it I just kind of finish each episode thinking what's the point.

[Artemis1]

Anyways my least favorite cartoon is probably Family Guy. It feels like a series of obscure pop cultures references set to animation. I know that's why some people like it I just kind of finish each episode thinking what's the point.
I love that show!

[Huh?]

I think most of the cartoons I watched as a kid suck now. But considering I'm 24 that's probably a good thing.

Anyways my least favorite cartoon is probably Family Guy. It feels like a series of obscure pop cultures references set to animation. I know that's why some people like it I just kind of finish each episode thinking what's the point.That is one of the best cartoons put out in the last ten years. It never fails to make me laugh.

[Alex]

Thank you Sir Skikt'alot. It is obvious the guys who said they hate DBZ hate anime, or are girl Shojo lovers.
Lets see, i liked Evangelion, aside from some of the annoying bits with the characters, but they were ment to be that way, loved cowboy beebop, an dloved the second half of trigun.
and i still think DBZ is stupid. Its more people who don't like characters constantly talking about fighting each other and then shooting lazers out of their hands in mid air for three episodes we don't like.
And i have no idea what shojo means.

[MKTerra]

Shoujo is girls' anime. And actually alot of it is quite good. (see Escaflowne, Card Captor Sakura, Magic Knight Rayearth, etc.)

Voltron I enjoyed. Toward the end, the Blazing Sword actually started *not* working on some enemies.

Oh, now I remember one! Gundam 0083, Stardust Memory. Stupid guy, stupid girl, villain who's stupid by extension since
he was the stupid girl's ex.

[Full Metal Jackass]

I think it was called Mega Babies (stangely colored babies with standard poop jokes)
that one with Sherlock Holmes in the future
the newer transformers series (hell, i even liked Beast Machines, but Robots in Disguise, Armada, and Energon I can't stand, it's like the CGI from Beast Wars fell back ten years for Energon(i realize, different companies and whatnot, but still, they should have access to the same tech and be able to get something that looks better than what they have))

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Staff's name's Heka. The VA is Pauline Newstone, according to a Google search :)

Edit: Looks like she also did Airazor in Beast Wars, and Frieza in DBZ...


Thanks,I never would've figured it out from the ends' credits because Mummies Alive was one of those shows that was too cheap to do an episode-by-episode listing of Actor/Actresses and Character Names,instead opting for a single listing of every VA who ever did a voiceover in the series. (I really hate when a show does that!) ;)

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Anyone remember a Fantastic Four cartoon where they replaced the Human Torch with a robot named Herbie? Forgive me for bringing it up if you do .Forget I mentioned it if you don't. :D

[chicainery]

Actually,any cartoon built around the star of the moment is terrible to some degree-Mr.T,Muhammed Ali,Macauley Culkins"Wish Kid",Rosanne Barrs"Little Rosie" the New Kids on the Block,etc....

Totally agree. Remember that Louie Anderson cartoon? Get someone with an intolerable voice and make a cartoon starring that voice!?! Insane.

[Slayven]

Totally agree. Remember that Louie Anderson cartoon? Get someone with an intolerable voice and make a cartoon starring that voice!?! Insane.
Funny thing si i don't think he did the voice of his kid self

[Slayven]

http://iguinho.ig.com.br/images/papel_parede/diabolik_800x600.jpg

Diabolik

Thank god they didn't air it. I don't know how the hell they be able to pull it off.
that si beyond cool

[Slayven]

Actually, Static Shock was racist and shouldn't have been made. The animation's bad, Static complained that they're not enough black heroes out(that's a joke, right? I can automatically name 6), and the jokes are either dumb or mean. TERRIBLE kid's show.
How was the show rascist?

[eJm]

Anyone remember a Fantastic Four cartoon where they replaced the Human Torch with a robot named Herbie? Forgive me for bringing it up if you do .Forget I mentioned it if you don't. :D
God, I actually remember that. What a dumb cartoon.

Anyway, onto a huge list of 'toons I hate.

DBZ- I used to like it when it first came to CN sometime ago. Now when I watch it again (along with DBGT) it probably was the stupidest cartoon ever.

To exaplain it proper, heres a joke.

Q: How many DBZ characters does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: One, but it'd take him 10 episodes to do it.

*tumbleweed drifts past*

Anyway, most of the cartoons you guys have mentioned I have seen. From Super Globetrotters (a dumb toon) to Static Shock (I actually liked this show except for the gun epsiode)

And whoever said they hated Harvey Birdman and Space Ghost should be hunted down. NOW!

[Slayven]

Cybersix was lame. i didn't know what the hell was going on

[sir_snikt'alot]

static shock is attrocious,every one is black except for static's blonde haired cracker sidekick,how un p.c is that!

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

lets not forget the kid n play cartoon as well. denver the last dinosaur as well. "Modern Minny" which was a short special with Minny Mouse trying to make a nerd cool. VERY 80s.


If you liked Elton John's music,then you liked "Totally Minnie",(My favorite scene was the one with him and her singing "Don't go breakin' my heart" :D I think it was the only time that Minnie had a real signifigant part in any feature other than as "Mickeys' other half". :cool: ( Hey! Can we get a "Mouse ears"smiley,here? :D )

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Funny thing si i don't think he did the voice of his kid self



I believe that Louie did the dads voice.

I'm not saying anything ill of any of the cartoons in this questions answer,but who can remember who Hector Ramirez is and ALL of the cartoons he appeared in?(Hint:There were at least five of them and they all came out in the eighties.)

[AoAMimic]

Anyways my least favorite cartoon is probably Family Guy. It feels like a series of obscure pop cultures references set to animation. I know that's why some people like it I just kind of finish each episode thinking what's the point.

AMEN! I find some humor in Family Guy, but it's mostly a really annoying show that won't let a joke die. They tell the joke (or reference), kill it, bury it, dig it back up, walk around with it, burn it, bake a cake with the ashes then try and feed you that cake.

[AoAMimic]

For the Dragonball Z fans out there, I will give you this. I'll give you a complete and irrefutable argument as to why it is not the best anime show. But first, I must power up for fifteen posts!

'rrrRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaarrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRR '

Will AoAMimic become SuperAoAMimic in time to make his argument!? TUNE IN NEXT TIME ON THE CBR FORUMS!!!!!

[Greg Hatcher]

Okay. I'm going to say this ONCE. I've had e-mailed complaints, PM's and reported posts from this thread ever since it went up and enough is enough. I've already deleted several posts out of this thread and the only reason it's still open is because it looks like cooler heads have prevailed, at least for the moment.

But get this through your heads: We're talking about cartoons. This is not something to get into a shouting match about. If someone doesn't happen to like your favorite cartoon, well, then they don't. So what? It's not their cup of tea, that's all. It's nothing to get yourself knotted up over. It's not some sort of attack on your person. To blow up at someone who dislikes a cartoon you might enjoy with the same kind of rage one normally reserves for, say, the murderer of one's first-born, is beyond stupid and well into pathetic. If you are reacting with that kind of fury to anything posted in this thread then you need to turn off the computer for a while and get some fresh air. Or meditate. Or go have a nice cup of cocoa or something. But in any case, don't post any more vituperative replies in this thread, because we don't do that kind of thing here. You can be polite to your fellow posters or you can go away. There is no third alternative. That's what you agreed to when you registered to post here. Look it up.

Those of you that have already been making quixotic efforts to clarify this, you have my thanks. Those of you who aren't getting it, well, this is the official warning. After this, if I see any more enraged how-dare-you replies, I'm shutting the thread down and booting the guilty parties off CBR for a week.

That's it. Carry on.

[Tynne]

Turbo Teen.

Bland human boy gains the power to change into a car.

No, really.

Any Scooby Doo cartoon, but especially the ones which featured Scrappy Doo in every episode.

[Artemis1]

How was the show rascist?
It says on my quote. Static complaines alot about that there are too many white heroes and not enough blacks. THAT IS RETARTED! I CAN THINK OF SO MANY! Here's just a FEW I know about:
Rubber Band Man
Luke Cage
Static Shock(duh!)
Arachnid
Blade
Trust me, there's more.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

oh and also dragonball z is from the 80's/early ninetys so give the animators credit,its got some of the best/fastest moving fight animation out there,does anyone remember fight scenes in transformers or he-man? they were piss poor,so before you give something stick remember give it a chance.

transformers rule,the end.

Fleisher's Superman was from the 40's and had superior animation, mainly because they used 30 frames a second instead of the anime standard of 12.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

About, Dbz, and this is the only post I'll put up here on it.

The show was made over a decade ago, actually, 1.5 decades ago, in 89 IIRC. So judging its animation level by today's standard is just plain foolish. They simply didn't have the tech to do the really fluid stuff back then.


That... Is... A... LIE.

In the 40's, Fleisher's Studio did far more fluid stuff. There's a very VERY easy way to do it: Pump up the frames a second from 10 to 12 up to 30 like Real Films use. Just look for the Fleisher's Superman animated shorts from the 40's, some of the most fluid, most beautiful animation ever done.

Fleisher's also introduced the Three Camera Panning technology where there's three layers of backgrounds on different glasses, and when a character is moving, the farthest foreground moves normally, the middle background moves the opposite direction, and the far background moves normally. It creates a Three Dimensional, realistic look.

I judge animation from standards in the friggin 1940's.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

I judge animation from standards in the friggin 1940's.
The question is why are you judging it when animation was still in it's infancy. Compare DBZ's animation to Heman, Superfriends, Spiderman, etc from the 80s, and tell me which one is better?
In the 40's, most cartoons were in black and white, and your comparing them to modern, or relatively modern cartoons and anime that are in color?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

You must've missed my point:

My arguement was solely that to claim the technology to make animation smooth back in the 80's doesn't exist is a lie. The technology isn't only there, it was sitting there and dust was collecting on it. HB wasn't using it because they became a sweatshop in the states doing around 30 odd animated series on a shoestring budget.

Seriously, my point was the means existed, the technology existed, and to claim that DBZ was the highest point of animation UP TO THAT POINT IN HISTORY is not only an invalid claim, its an ignorant claim.

EDIT: as was that Color quip was not only ignorant, its also easy to prove as false
http://www.atlanticdvd.com.au/product_images/large/superman_max_fleischer.jpeg

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

but, my arguement was that it had better animation then most American Cartoons during that time.

[Patient Boy]

The question is why are you judging it when animation was still in it's infancy.

I'm not going to get into the DBZ debate because I haven't really watched that much of it but as was already mentioned, there was some top notch animation being done in the 40s. The work the Fleischers were doing was so good DC based Batman the Animated Series(made in the mid 1990s, mind you) and subsequently their animated universe on its style.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

but, my arguement was that it had better animation then most American Cartoons during that time.

Then you're just lying again. Disney, as much as I hate them, still beats anime standards because they still used alot of the technology and frames per second standards that Fleisher set. Nearly any animated movie in the 80's that Disney made beats DBZ in animation standards.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Also, check it out, you can WATCH the Fleisher cartoons here.

http://superman.ws/fos/thescreen/cartoons/

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

but I was talking about the american cartoon(not movies) which were horribly animated, with very, very choppy animation and dirty art. Compare Heman to Dragonball Z, or GI Joe to Dragonball Z, or even Thundercats to Dragonball Z, and tell me which has better animation and/or art.

[Deskad]

what he said.

And I hated those Flecher cartoons. Bleah.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

You missed the point, which is: Two posters claimed that the technology to make animation better than DBZ plain didn't exist and no cartoon prior matched it.

and the other point: The few animation studios in the USA had budgets that'd not even be considered shoe string.

[Athena Bast]

that means you like mostly Shojo, and your a girl right? Then it is understandable that you don't like DB or DBZ.
I like Dragonball when it was little Goku with the tail.

Dragonball just doesn't seem to have any plot to me aside form beating the crap out of everybody in a fight that lasts 10 episodes.

I also like Ninja Scroll, Bubblegum Crisis, Ghost in the Shell.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

what he said.

And I hated those Flecher cartoons. Bleah.

They're certainly more fluid than DBZ is, and they were made over 4 decades prior, thus your statement that the technology didn't exist to make cartoons more fluid's been exposed as bubkiss.

[Loren]

Pfui. None of the shows listed so far can match the sheer crazed awfulness of Super President. (http://www.alphalink.com.au/~roglen/super_president.htm)

THANK YOU! I was waiting for somebody to bring that one up.

After seeing it at SDCC, there's simply no competition in this category. Anyone who thinks generic '80s kiddie toons are the worst that animation can get, simply hasn't seen "Super President." It's bad in ways that words cannot adequately express.

Loren

[Athena Bast]

It is a great anime. The animation was awesome, the story was awesome, the sound and effects were awesome. Tangentman, it is a legend among anime, created by the comic Genius of Akira Toryiama. Surely, you have read and or saw Dragonball or read the manga. You are just plain, forgive my french, stupid, if you don't like it. I bet you have only seen the dub, not the original, uncut show. In fact, if it wasn't for Dragonball, Anime surely would not have taken off in the US or all over the World. I bet you also hate the face that Goku has surpassed almost every hero in american comics, right?
Here i thought Voltron and Robotech brought anime to the masses.

[Wonder Bebs]

Here i thought Voltron and Robotech brought anime to the masses.
And Gatchaman (my Dad used to watch that for cryin' outloud) and, if we're talking about what made anime an accepted artform in America, In the late 80's I think that title goes to Akira, when it released on U.S. shores in 1988.

Now, tell me... which animation is superior: Akira or DBZ?

[Artemis1]

Now, tell me... which animation is superior: Akira or DBZ?
If you mean the ANIMATION, not the movie, Akira wins hands down.

[Wonder Bebs]

If you mean the ANIMATION, not the movie, Akira wins hands down.
And you guessed correctly, matey. I was, indeed, speaking in terms of animation.

But, I'm of the opposite opinion on the movie vs DBZ as a cartoon. I'd rather watch Akira than DBZ, probably because I enjoy Akira as a manga and like filling in the blanks that are in the movie.

DBZ, however, though I enjoy reading the manga and find it entertaining in manga format, is something I just won't watch as an anime. Makes me feel like my brain cells are melting just watching it. ^^;

[Athena Bast]

And Gatchaman (my Dad used to watch that for cryin' outloud) and, if we're talking about what made anime an accepted artform in America, In the late 80's I think that title goes to Akira, when it released on U.S. shores in 1988.

Now, tell me... which animation is superior: Akira or DBZ?
I totally forgot Speed Racer in that regard too.

[Wonder Bebs]

You and me both, Athena. Thanks for bringing that one up.

[Cyke]

This is referencing a post from a few pages ago, but someone argued that if you don't like DBZ, you hate anime. Excuse me, but how the hell did DBZ become indicative and representative of ALL anime? That's like saying that if you don't like Mickey Mouse, you don't like any American cartoon. Sheesh.

As for my two cents on DBZ, I've always been a bigger fan of Dragon Ball than DBZ. Despite all the fight scenes in DBZ (and I liked DBZ's fight scenes, but not the story), everyone in Dragon Ball simply had more to do, period. Even the background and d-list characters had stuff to do, and characters that left the show would pop up years later b/c the story demanded it. As opposed to DBZ where d-listers would only make cameos who watched the fights on TV.

Btw, correct me if I'm wrong: but weren't Thundercats and GI Joe animated overseas? I seem to recall a tidbit like that, but I'm not sure.

And anyone who finds fault in Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law needs to be shot :)

[Copper]

Well to clarify something about the Fleischer cartoons, Max Fleischer, along with Warner Brothers and MGM were doing big budget fully animated cartoon shorts shown before movies in the 30s and 40s. In the 50's and 60's with TV coming onto the scene and the studio system starting to decline, the newer animation houses simply couldn't afford an animation budget that the big studios used--proof of this was evident in the Hanna Barbera cartoons which used limited animation done really cheaply for TV and obviously with a limited budget and time constraints they weren't going to throw money into the fluent animation of the earlier studio animated cartoons.

And yes, Japan did use the 12 frames a second animation in the 50s and 60s, this can be seen in early episodes of Gigantor, Tobor the 8th man, Astro Boy, Speed Racer, Phantoma and others, but this wasn't true when the 70s came around, and they jumped to the 24 frames a second animation which was evident in Mazinger Z, Gatchaman, and others. Still these were TV shows and didn't enjoy the high budgets that would be evident in a feature film, and there was better animation in the hour long movie specials starring popular characters at the time also.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Well to clarify something about the Fleischer cartoons, Max Fleischer, along with Warner Brothers and MGM were doing big budget fully animated cartoon shorts shown before movies in the 30s and 40s. In the 50's and 60's with TV coming onto the scene and the studio system starting to decline, the newer animation houses simply couldn't afford an animation budget that the big studios used--proof of this was evident in the Hanna Barbera cartoons which used limited animation done really cheaply for TV and obviously with a limited budget and time constraints they weren't going to throw money into the fluent animation of the earlier studio animated cartoons.

And yes, Japan did use the 12 frames a second animation in the 50s and 60s, this can be seen in early episodes of Gigantor, Tobor the 8th man, Astro Boy, Speed Racer, Phantoma and others, but this wasn't true when the 70s came around, and they jumped to the 24 frames a second animation which was evident in Mazinger Z, Gatchaman, and others. Still these were TV shows and didn't enjoy the high budgets that would be evident in a feature film, and there was better animation in the hour long movie specials starring popular characters at the time also.


My main arguement was Deskad ignorantly stating the technology to make a cartoon 'better animated' that DBZ didn't exist before the 80's, which was a crap arguement.

[MKTerra]

Here i thought Voltron and Robotech brought anime to the masses.
I remember it being Sailor Moon :p

[eJm]

This is referencing a post from a few pages ago, but someone argued that if you don't like DBZ, you hate anime. Excuse me, but how the hell did DBZ become indicative and representative of ALL anime? That's like saying that if you don't like Mickey Mouse, you don't like any American cartoon. Sheesh.

As for my two cents on DBZ, I've always been a bigger fan of Dragon Ball than DBZ. Despite all the fight scenes in DBZ (and I liked DBZ's fight scenes, but not the story), everyone in Dragon Ball simply had more to do, period. Even the background and d-list characters had stuff to do, and characters that left the show would pop up years later b/c the story demanded it. As opposed to DBZ where d-listers would only make cameos who watched the fights on TV.

I agree with you on all that. DBZ was never a good reperensentation to Anime even if it did bring it to the masses. I'm only getting Dragon Ball now and I am sorta annoyed CN did not get it before DBZ. All the best characters were downgraded by, like, a million and the show really did jump the shark after the first few episodes.

I mean, you got Kami who played a huge roll now reduced to a crappy insignificant character who has to be worried about the 10,000th time someone had been beaten.

Its like a really lousy soap where people are pushed off to be replaced with Goku taking 2 months to finish a sentence

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

The question is why are you judging it when animation was still in it's infancy. Compare DBZ's animation to Heman, Superfriends, Spiderman, etc from the 80s, and tell me which one is better?
In the 40's, most cartoons were in black and white, and your comparing them to modern, or relatively modern cartoons and anime that are in color?


Let not have a "Color vs. Black and White" thing here,that would be like having a "Hand-Drawn vs. CGI" or "dubbed vs.sub-titled". those are some pretty endless debates over tastes in presentation.

About technique,OTOH,I already pointed out in another reponsne on this thread about Filmations endlessly repeating pieces of animation.Strangely enough,even disney is capable of this as well(not that I'm saying anything else is bad about them.

Some examples

Snow White/Robin Hood ; both Snow and Maid Marian used thesame animation for their dance steps at the ends of their dance/song sequences

Robin Hood /The Aristocats ; Same as above,but with Marian/Robin and O'Malley/Dutchess

The Jungle Book/The Rescuers; A scene that shows Penny/Mowgli running through the the brush/vines of the swamp/jungle...

Bambi/The Sword in the Stone; A scene where Sir Kay is about to shoot a deer with a Bow and arrow is also the same shot in Bambi when Bambi's mother notices that man is in the forest...

Now,most of those,I can easily forgive because the rest of Disneys animation is about the best there is. DBZ however,has characters who stand still in dramatic poses for two or even three seconds at most,and then spend the rest or their time moving in quick flashy movements(somthing else that requires a minumun of animation.) I liked it at first because of the flash,but now because it is the only thing I see in that show,it no longer impresses me.

(BTW,I don't think anyone was saying Black and White was bad-or even drawn that way! ;) )

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Let not have a "Color vs. Black and White" thing here,that would be like having a "Hand-Drawn vs. CGI" or "dubbed vs.sub-titled". those are some pretty endless debates over tastes in presentation.

Well, The Color vs Black and White arguement they tried to use was made in ignorance since the Fleisher shorts were in color.

[Mike Pothier]

A pretty stupid argument too. Since when did color effect frame rate?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

A pretty stupid argument too. Since when did color effect frame rate?
Since they wanted to pretend that animation in the 80's was better than anything before then.

[Thnikkaman]

Getting back on topic.

Anybody ever seen The Cramp Twins? That has to be one of the most awful things I've ever seen. It's like Ed, Edd, and Eddy without the laughs.

And Harvey Birdman was good for the first few episodes. Then, for some reason, the creators decided that instead of focusing on producing something FUNNY, they should concentrate on cramming ireelevant, unfunny random crap into every second. The result is something that even people with ADD would find too busy.

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

A pretty stupid argument too. Since when did color effect frame rate?


It does on this dial-up piece of junk I'm posting from...

(Oh BloodRayne's a REDHEAD?---Cool! :D )

[sir_snikt'alot]

i dont see how you think dbz is crap,yeah sure most fights took a year to finish but it was entertaining,the fights were good,the framerate is amazing considering the time,and is probably one of the most original animes ever made(even tho it was based on superman),look at all the crappy animes like yu-gi-oh and duel masters,they all parody dbz,with a main character with spikey hair and a short lame sidekick and generic looking sub characters,dbz influenced animators and kids tv show companys to make something like it,so it cant be that crap can it?

[GoGo Yubari]

i dont see how you think dbz is crap,yeah sure most fights took a year to finish but it was entertaining,the fights were good,the framerate is amazing considering the time,and is probably one of the most original animes ever made(even tho it was based on superman),look at all the crappy animes like yu-gi-oh and duel masters,they all parody dbz,with a main character with spikey hair and a short lame sidekick and generic looking sub characters,dbz influenced animators and kids tv show companys to make something like it,so it cant be that crap can it?

Most original anime ever? The plot is completely redundant. Instead of coming up with a new idea, Toriyama just went "Here's some evil guys who must be stopped. Our heroes will have to train a lot to beat them!" and repeated it over and over. The only plotline that I find significantly different from that cookie-cutter stuff is the Namek saga which is good until Goku and Frieza start fighting.

The highlights of DBZ are the SUBPLOTS, and even then they aren't worth tuning in for most of the time. Especially when what seemed like the overall point of the majority of the series, to put Gohan over as Goku's successor, is then COMPLETELY UNDONE IN THE BUU SAGA. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[sir_snikt'alot]

Most original anime ever? The plot is completely redundant. Instead of coming up with a new idea, Toriyama just went "Here's some evil guys who must be stopped. Our heroes will have to train a lot to beat them!" and repeated it over and over. The only plotline that I find significantly different from that cookie-cutter stuff is the Namek saga which is good until Goku and Frieza start fighting.

The highlights of DBZ are the SUBPLOTS, and even then they aren't worth tuning in for most of the time. Especially when what seemed like the overall point of the majority of the series, to put Gohan over as Goku's successor, is then COMPLETELY UNDONE IN THE BUU SAGA. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

but that still doesnt get it the 'worst cartoon ever' award does it?

[ChaosBurnFlame]

i dont see how you think dbz is crap,yeah sure most fights took a year to finish but it was entertaining,the fights were good,the framerate is amazing considering the time,and is probably one of the most original animes ever made(even tho it was based on superman),look at all the crappy animes like yu-gi-oh and duel masters,they all parody dbz,with a main character with spikey hair and a short lame sidekick and generic looking sub characters,dbz influenced animators and kids tv show companys to make something like it,so it cant be that crap can it?

Even Though It was based off Superman AND Journey to the West

[sir_snikt'alot]

Even Though It was based off Superman AND Journey to the West

yeah i mentioned superman,but still its entertaining and animated well for a very old cartoon so give it a little respect.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Not the respect you wanted to give it. There has been better animated stuff prior, the technology to make better animated shows existed prior, the plot isn't even as original as you'd claim it to be.

[Patient Boy]

Seriously, enough with the DragonBall Z already. Some people like it, some people don't.

[OverMaster]

You are just plain, forgive my french, stupid, if you don't like it. (...). I bet you also hate the face that Goku has surpassed almost every hero in american comics, right?

1- Yes, you respect other's opinions much. Mmm-hmm.

2- Surpassed them in which aspect? In power feats, you may have a point. In iconic status? No way... even in Japan, Goku is way behind characters like Lupin and Doraemon the friggin' robot cat in the iconic department.

[OverMaster]

but that still doesnt get it the 'worst cartoon ever' award does it?

To me, not, but we have to respect the ones who think so.

[Basara]

the newer transformers series (hell, i even liked Beast Machines, but Robots in Disguise, Armada, and Energon I can't stand, it's like the CGI from Beast Wars fell back ten years for Energon(i realize, different companies and whatnot, but still, they should have access to the same tech and be able to get something that looks better than what they have))

It's not just a matter of access to same technology. There's also the aspects of talent, budget, and time.

Mainframe is one of the best computer animation studio's on the planet with a long list of well drawn, highly detailed computer animation shows. It's resume includes Reboot, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Spider-Man, and Shadow Raiders. It's had it's duds (Action Man anyone?), but for the most part, when Mainframe is hired to do the animation, I know it's going to look fantastic. Honestly, only Pixar and Dreamworks have better CGI than Mainframe. So Mainframe's talent is 97% above everyone else on the planet on CGI.

Second, this high quality of work by Mainframe comes at a price, both in money and in time. It's a hefty one. Hasbro paid the bill for 5 years before they realized that Takara got the same number of episodes in one year for a quarter the price with Car Robts (known as Robots in Diguise here). Thus they decided (incorrectly imho) to join with Takara and produce lesser quality series.

It made long time fans quite unhappy, but toy sales went though the roof. Better learn to live with this. It's not going to change anytime soon. On the other hand, Energon is far and above much more enjoyable than RID and Armada. At least Hasbro and Takara have begun to realize that they have older fans too. Besides, the Energon toys and comics rock, so at least I can fall back on them.

I am surprised that only one person mentioned horrid Avengers cartoon. Man, what a putrid pile of crap that show was. I also wasn’t very fond of the Iron Man, Fantastic Four, Hulk, and Silver Surfer cartoons. They were less than they should have been.

Another excrutionating bad show was WildC.A.T.s. That was a pretty horrific show too.

But nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing, beats the sheer fantastically awful, utterly vomit inducing, PC crap that is Captain Planet and the Planeteers.

You all can say whatever you want about DBZ. I’d rather watch the Garlic Jr. Saga on a continuous infinite loop over one episode of Captain Planet.

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Okay then let's talk about cartoons that are bad because they try to take a once good concept and tell it with a different face.
What I'm talking about is when then made"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles",everybody else decided to try and cash in their success with their own "Animal Teamup Injustice Fighting Squad",like Street Sharks,Biker Mice From Mars,leading up to that new one with the five fighting apes in Africa. I didn't see that one yet,but I know it's going to suck...

[GoGo Yubari]

but that still doesnt get it the 'worst cartoon ever' award does it?

Never said it did. DBZ's had more than enough good things to keep it from being worst cartoon ever. But it isn't particularly original either.

[Spiff]

I remember a show called Toxic Crusader that still, in some strange way, still haunts me today. I think it's because at the end of this one show, or maybe it was at the end of every show, I dunno, but the Toxic Crusader and company danced the gimpiest dance I've ever seen. I mean, all they did was basically sway from one frame to the next, but...wow.

You know, I wonder if Captain Planet could conceivably be decent if you gave it a very antihero slant and made it more "hardcore," like having the kid with Heart be a controlling, manipulative bastard, and making all the villains do something more extreme than polluting the environment. It could work.

[Huh?]

I would also like to nominate a cartoon from the early 90's that was on sunday mornings I think. It was about a soccer team that travelled all over the place playing soccer and fighting world terror? Can anyone remember this one?

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Since nobody has mentioned it, Pokemon, worse anime in the world.

And, I can't believe that stupid Legend of Zelda cartoon from the early 90's hasn't been mentioned. Terrible animation, horrible art, bad voice actors. It was all around bad. It didn't even follow the games.

[GoGo Yubari]

Since nobody has mentioned it, Pokemon, worse anime in the world.

And, I can't believe that stupid Legend of Zelda cartoon from the early 90's hasn't been mentioned. Terrible animation, horrible art, bad voice actors. It was all around bad. It didn't even follow the games.

I'd sooner watch the first season of Pokemon than the Buu Saga.

[MKTerra]

Pokemon <= Yugioh < Monster Rancher <= Digimon

But I doubt Pokemon's the worst anime ever. It's still kinda enjoyable if you mute Team Rocket's entrance. And the first Gameboy games were pretty fun :) (Haven't tried the later ones)

[Copper]

I'm rather surprised no one's mentioned that abominable Avengers cartoon in the 90s, and that old Bots Master cartoon.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Its been mentioned, but I think the reason why it hasn't be so heavily discussed was because too many people mindwiped themselves after seeing it.

[Alex]

I'm rather surprised no one's mentioned that abominable Avengers cartoon in the 90s, and that old Bots Master cartoon.
i mentioned it, so there.

[TheBestRobot]

I would also like to nominate a cartoon from the early 90's that was on sunday mornings I think. It was about a soccer team that travelled all over the place playing soccer and fighting world terror? Can anyone remember this one?

Sounds like the "Hurricanes". Their enemies were the "Gorgons"

[Ontir]

Pokemon <= Yugioh < Monster Rancher <= Digimon

But I doubt Pokemon's the worst anime ever. It's still kinda enjoyable if you mute Team Rocket's entrance. And the first Gameboy games were pretty fun :) (Haven't tried the later ones)

I think "Digimon" was the exception to that otherwise steadfast rule. While all the others sucked in terms of animation and writing, Digi had decent animation, and was decently written. Unlike the others (Pokemon most notably) it had an actual progression and development beyond being an endless cock-fight, year after year.

[Ontir]

I almost forgot, Speed Racer has GOT to be near the top of the heap. It IS the cream of the crap!

[Spiff]

I almost forgot, Speed Racer has GOT to be near the top of the heap. It IS the cream of the crap!

But, but, Speed Racer had a MONKEY. That's some points right there.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

The uncut Yugioh is much better than the dub. Muuchh better. Plus, so is the Mangas.

[Wonder Bebs]

But, but, Speed Racer had a MONKEY. That's some points right there.
Not just any monkey, mind you... Speed Racer had Chim Chim. If that isn't a damned fine name for a monkey, aside from maybe Tony or Bubbles, I don't know what is.

And Speed Racer really wouldn't be at the top o' the list for me... It's cheesiness is a redeeming factor for me and I enjoy getting a big belly laugh out of it.

[MKTerra]

I think "Digimon" was the exception to that otherwise steadfast rule. While all the others sucked in terms of animation and writing, Digi had decent animation, and was decently written. Unlike the others (Pokemon most notably) it had an actual progression and development beyond being an endless cock-fight, year after year.
I liked Monster Rancher a lot, actually (though it doesn't have my kind of ending); it had a progressing storyline, dynamic fights, and likeable characters. Digimon edges out by sheer scope/length, but on a per-episode basis I think MR may have been more fun (MR filler eps > Digimon filler eps) :)

[Paradox]

Aeon Flux has topped my list for quite a while. No apparant direction, "arty" for "arty"s sake and with an overall patina of the creator thinking "I'm cooler than you because I know what's going on". Excuse me...nitwit...you're supposed to COMMUNICATE what's going on. Of course YOU know, YOU wrote it! Completely style over substance.

I also LOVED Dragonball and HATED Dragonball Z. Just seemed way too much like a non-interactive RPG or Rumbles discussion to me.

Throw in about any of the multitudes of '80s cartoons that existed for the sole purpose of selling toys and forgot to be entertaining while doing it.

And, sure, Speed Racer was crap, but it was such cool crap that I still love it! ;) SPRIDLE AND CHIM-CHIM ROCK!

[Slayven]

anyone saw sky raiders or was it surfers?

[pirulaso]

i hate james bond junior whenever he said his name. GOOD LORD he made it sound feminine. lol i left my cousin to watch VOlTRON while i made dinner and suddenly i hear: "HEY VOLTRON DO SOMETHING ELSE FOR ONCE" to hear that from a 6 yr old was funny. anyone remember a show with three cyborgs? one for sea, one for air and one for land? that was horrible. the heroes were like 60 yr olds, and the bad guy was half-man and half-box. he didnt look like he could hurt a fly in a coma. OH MAN i just remembered silve hawks (right title?). it was like this thunder cats rip off where the laws off physics didnt apply. the villain looked scarier whe he didnt power up.

i liked mummies alive. the character designs were cool but they needed to play it out better. space madness was the funniest thing i have ever seen. i enjoy dbz. most ppl i know who hate dbz usually use the frieza saga to back them up. with good reason too. that was a horrible time and i stopped watching until the android saga started. that was cool and made up for that 25 episode long crap of a saga. things only got better from there. all i know is i would love to shoot fireballsand vegeta needs to see a psyhologist..

[Copper]

anyone remember a show with three cyborgs? one for sea, one for air and one for land? that was horrible. the heroes were like 60 yr olds, and the bad guy was half-man and half-box. he didnt look like he could hurt a fly in a coma.

Oh, you're talking about this little gem? Centurions (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-2942/Centurions/)

[Rabid Trekkie]

anyone saw sky raiders or was it surfers?

Sky Surfer Strike Force? I remember it, their cars turned into surfboards that allowed them to fly. I liked it. Course I was younger so I didn't know what crap was. I also loved King Arthur and the Knights of Justice.

As for shows I hated, Street Sharks. The show sucked. I mean it was Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles but all wrong.

Baby Looney Toons was terrible and I only saw three minutes of it.

Ed, Edd, and Eddy is terrible. I saw it on cartoon network when on vacation, how can people get away with that stuff?

Captain Planet, oh sure I liked it the same as every other 5 year old in my kindergarten class. Then they took it off and it stayed perfect in that part of your mind that tells you everything you saw was great. Then they brought it back for awhile. Oh my dear lord.

Samurai Pizza Cats was stupid and I was glad when they took it off.

The Pokemon tv cartoons suck but for some odd reason I actually like the movies.

Robocop Alpha Commando. Don't ask me why but I watched every episode. I knew it sucked but still watched it.

I know there are more but I can't think of any at the moment.

[Radical]

You know, I wonder if Captain Planet could conceivably be decent if you gave it a very antihero slant and made it more "hardcore," like having the kid with Heart be a controlling, manipulative bastard, and making all the villains do something more extreme than polluting the environment. It could work.

That's very interesting, because I once imagined a Captain Planet character who was kind of an "eco-" version of the Punisher. He was called the Cleanser, and his whole family had died from toxic waste dumping except himself, and he was an eight-foot-tall blue mutant. He got along with Cap and the 'Teers the way Puns gets along with Spider-Man.

[Ontir]

Not just any monkey, mind you... Speed Racer had Chim Chim. If that isn't a damned fine name for a monkey, aside from maybe Tony or Bubbles, I don't know what is.

And Speed Racer really wouldn't be at the top o' the list for me... It's cheesiness is a redeeming factor for me and I enjoy getting a big belly laugh out of it.

The ONLY thing "Speed Racer" has EVER done for me, is given me a craving for insulin and a wish to be struck by a polo mallet!

Someone said the uncut "Yugi-Oh" is better - it would HAVE to be!

[Alex]

The ONLY thing "Speed Racer" has EVER done for me, is given me a craving for insulin and a wish to be struck by a polo mallet!

Someone said the uncut "Yugi-Oh" is better - it would HAVE to be!
It had the best theme song ever!
Better than gigantor.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Someone said the uncut "Yugi-Oh" is better - it would HAVE to be!
It is, much better. Read the mangas if you don't like watching the card game all the time.

[DLFerguson]

While I try to respect everybody's opinion and understand that you young whippersnappers who have been raised up on soulless, mindless pap like DRAGONBALL Z and SAILOR MOON have been culturally deprived...if you don't like SPEED RACER then you just ain't got no soul :D

[FearTheMoose]

About Yu-Gi-Oh, the series playing on Cartoon Network does suck real bad. But there is another series of Yu-Gi-Oh that follows the manga, I can't wait until we get that one. :p

[pirulaso]

Oh, you're talking about this little gem? Centurions (http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-2942/Centurions/)

yes. good lord what a bad memory.

[Bolo Musashi]

yes. good lord what a bad memory.

Surely this was spoken in jest

[SPAfreak]

Kidd Video.

Do you remember Kidd Video? So bad on so many levels.

And then there was Camp Candy. Why John, why?

Let's also not forget Don Coyote. His sidekick was Sancho Panda. Sancho Panda, do you get it?

Reading this thread was bad for my soul. The '80's had some good cartoons, but most of them are better left forgotten.

[TheFan]

!!!

Don Coyote had his own cartoon?!

I just saw him on one crossover ep with Danger Mouse.

[Rabid Trekkie]

About Yu-Gi-Oh, the series playing on Cartoon Network does suck real bad. But there is another series of Yu-Gi-Oh that follows the manga, I can't wait until we get that one. :p

I don't understand why but for some reason I like Yugioh. I can't explain it, I know it is bad, I even make fun of it but I can't stop watching it. It is also the only anime my sister will watch. She won't even watch Spirited Away.

I think she watches it because of the card game that goes with it. I still think I might write a fanfiction where she plays Yugi. Almost everytime she plays a card she says, "AND NOW! THE POWERFUL, THE ULTIMATE, THE COOLEST!" and then does some stupid little dance and shouts the name of the card at the top of her lungs. It doesn't matter what the card is. I would love to see Yugi freaking out everytime she does that and then when he sees a really weak card he starts questioning what her diabolical strategy is. It would be hilarious.

[SuperSaiyaMan12]

Super Monkey Team Hyper Force Go! need I say more?

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

i hate james bond junior whenever he said his name. GOOD LORD he made it sound feminine. lol i left my cousin to watch VOlTRON while i made dinner and suddenly i hear: "HEY VOLTRON DO SOMETHING ELSE FOR ONCE" to hear that from a 6 yr old was funny. anyone remember a show with three cyborgs? one for sea, one for air and one for land? that was horrible. the heroes were like 60 yr olds, and the bad guy was half-man and half-box. he didnt look like he could hurt a fly in a coma. OH MAN i just remembered silve hawks (right title?). it was like this thunder cats rip off where the laws off physics didnt apply. the villain looked scarier whe he didnt power up.

i liked mummies alive. the character designs were cool but they needed to play it out better. space madness was the funniest thing i have ever seen. i enjoy dbz. most ppl i know who hate dbz usually use the frieza saga to back them up. with good reason too. that was a horrible time and i stopped watching until the android saga started. that was cool and made up for that 25 episode long crap of a saga. things only got better from there. all i know is i would love to shoot fireballsand vegeta needs to see a psyhologist..


The Cartoon with the Three guys was called The Centurions.They wore Exo-suits with which they could hook up thier cybernetic eqiupment.The Villians,Doc Terror and Hacker were a run of the mill Doom wannabe and henchman servant. The cartoon was okay until the third(?) season when they added the two new characters. You're right about Silverhawks-It was the lamest rip-off of anything since they had that Darth Vader looking guy in that episode of (live action)WonderWoman.

[Knightmare10880]

Kidd Video and Centruians were too of my favorite cartons when I was akid, but I can see how Kidd Video can look really bad these days, it's a very dated show. But I don't understand the hatred of Centurians, I think it's aged well, I agrre with silverhawks, I really liked it as a kid but when it was one Cartoon Network a few years ago I just couldn't get into it.

[pirulaso]

Surely this was spoken in jest

dont get me wrong. the concept was awesome. the way it played out rubbed me the wrong way.

[Patient Boy]

I agree. Centurions was a really cool concept and I enjoyed it as a kid, but watching it again now I can see that the execution was lacking, and the animation was only good during the bits when they received their armour.

I was surprised to see names like Gil Kane and Jack Kirby in the credits when I watched it as reruns, although I guess the costume designs are sort of Kirbyish.

[ChaosBurnFlame]

Every Sonic Cartoon.

[Artemis1]

Ozzy & Drix. It had stock footage, bad lines, bad animation, and the voice acters(most) sucked! This is Chris Rock's low point. He only did it because the movie did so well.

[eJm]

Ozzy & Drix. It had stock footage, bad lines, bad animation, and the voice acters(most) su