Young Avengers: News and Speculation

[Citizen V]

Well,im rather excited.Im going to get a Young Avengers TPB from my local dealer,i should get it in about 3-5 days.From what i hear,this is a real good comic.I also decided to give a new theme a chance,and see what it could be like.

Ill be sure to put up my thoughts here,since i did not see a thread that was ment to talk about the Young Avengers,i might as well make one.I hear that the YA will be cancled,and relaunched.Details?

Discuss the Young Avengers.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

If you look at this forum, there are MANY threads on the Young Avengers. Most are specific to recent issues or upcoming speculation, but none about reacting to the trade, so this thread is ok, but on the front page of this forum there are threads about YA.

[Citizen V]

Those deal with certian issues,im speaking of the entire series.

[Stagier]

uh well it's tight.

1 through 12 which is out next week. the weakest in my opinion are the two drawn by devito, sorry the art wasn't for me.

otherwise it is so far a rock'em sock'em series.

[Ontir]

I didn't care for the fill-in artsist either, but for the last year, it's been the best book published. Followed closely by All-Star Superman.

[PretenderNX01]

The fill in artist was actually the first issue I read, so it wasn't as jarring for me then. However when I got the trade after reading the contuing issues since then, I kinda wish they had chosen someone who's style was closer to Cheung's.

Its just so different. Not bad in its own right, maybe a little to light-hearted for my taste. And the colors were very bright in comparison to the rest of the series, it just stands too far apart for me. Was there any specific reason that a fill-in was needed? Other projects, artist unavailable for reasons? Just curious. The writing was still top-knotch.

As a whole, I love the series. Its superpased any of the titles from Marvel's Ulitmate universe as my favorite now. (I agree that All-Star superman is also DC's best book, stupid Crisis of crisises)

[Mariah]

I didn't care for the fill-in artsist either, but for the last year, it's been the best book published. Followed closely by All-Star Superman.

Eh, All star was overrated imo. more stuff from Morrison I don't really care for.

[Babylon23]

I have to admit, I avoided this series when it first came out. I hated Disassembled, and refused to read any book spinning out of that mess. I just assumed that Marvel had given up publishing a book for old school Avengers fans, and that I'd have to wait a few years for a book that would actually tie neatly into Avengers continuity.

I recently picked up the first trade, based primarily on the positive feedback I read here about the series. I was still a little dubious, but I was definitely proven wrong. This is a great book, fresh and new while still embracing Avengers and Marvel continuity. Heinberg is afraid or overwhelmed by continuity. Instead, he incorporates it beautifully into the stories he's telling. I wish Marvel had more writers like this.

[kloudsurfer]

Ive been reading it monthly since #7 and just recently got the first trade.

Definetly one of the best books Marvel is putting out. Im going crazy waiting for this weekend so I can pick it up. Its been so long since the last issue.

Now all we need is for it to come out monthly...

[Stagier]

i think devito was brought in, so cheung could have a break,and marvel could keep the book on schedule.

since then, i think it's been heinberg who needs more time with the book, and since they don't want a fill in writer, they have delayed and delayed. all teh way to 2007. which also gives cheung a head start.

[Citizen V]

Im currently reading the TPB and i got to the issue where Patriot is reveiled to be black,who`s idea was that?A black Captian America?

[SpartanX]

Im currently reading the TPB and i got to the issue where Patriot is reveiled to be black,who`s idea was that?A black Captian America?
Well, the very first Cap was Isaiah, Eli's grandpa, who was the only survivor of the first tries of the serum.

[Beast]

Well, the very first Cap was Isaiah, Eli's grandpa, who was the only survivor of the first tries of the serum.
For the story, see 'Truth: Red, White, & Black'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785110720/103-2964554-1671826

[JuggernautRM]

Just a question, when is the second trade collecting 7-12 going to come out?

[Nick MB]

According to a note on Paul O'Brien's website, Allen Heinberg insists that none of his comics have ever been late because the artist was waiting on script. So... it reads like he's placing the blame squarely on Cheung.

[Uncensored]

According to a note on Paul O'Brien's website, Allen Heinberg insists that none of his comics have ever been late because the artist was waiting on script. So... it reads like he's placing the blame squarely on Cheung.

Since he's now writing Wonder Woman, and given the fact that the Dodson's are usually good with a monthly schedule; we'll soon find out whether there is any validity to his claims.

[Beast]

According to a note on Paul O'Brien's website, Allen Heinberg insists that none of his comics have ever been late because the artist was waiting on script. So... it reads like he's placing the blame squarely on Cheung.
You know, I'd like to believe that... but I find it highly unlikely. It seems a lot of writers like to claim it's the artist's fault. We'll see if Wonder Woman is delayed to hell and back, and then we'll know who's fault it is. ;)

[Polarity]

According to a note on Paul O'Brien's website, Allen Heinberg insists that none of his comics have ever been late because the artist was waiting on script. So... it reads like he's placing the blame squarely on Cheung.
Which is weird...Cheung drew X-force for how long? And it was never late... Maybe they wanted to get that vibe of the "eternally late cool book"... lol

[Doom Hammer]

Which is weird...Cheung drew X-force for how long? And it was never late... Maybe they wanted to get that vibe of the "eternally late cool book"... lol

Well, they got it. Can't wait for season 2. I'll probably re-read the issues I have ten times over between then and now.

[hulkling1]

I got the feeling from various interviews that its not necessarily the writer or the artist being perpetually late. I think Joe Q is expecting top notch work and therefore willing to give the guys as much time as they need, rather than put out something subpar. Heinberg is always talking about how labor intensive it is to write the YA. I can understand how much time it takes to write such a tight book that relies so heavily on accurate use of Avengers past. He probably has to read and re-read and re-re-read back issues to make sure that he doesn't mess up. On the art end, there are such strong subtleties in Cheung's art. For example,from the beginning, Heinberg intended Hulkling and Wiccan's relationship to be revealed much later. Fans were able to deduce, just from Cheung's artwork, in the first issue. That takes a lot of time and work to create such a great relationship between the writer and artist to create such great moments.

I would rather it remain a bimonthly book if I am guaranteed that Heinberg and Cheung stay with it and continue to give us such high quality work.

[Zombienorthstar]

More controversial discussion:

How do you see Hulkling and Wiccan's relationship progressing...granted that the mere mention of them being in a relationship has lead some to brand the book immoral?

[Sentinel K]

More controversial discussion:

How do you see Hulkling and Wiccan's relationship progressing...granted that the mere mention of them being in a relationship has lead some to brand the book immoral?

I think it should go as far as it would go if it was a hetero relationship.

No holding back. If people don't like it they can **** off.

[Deus ex Chris]

Which is weird...Cheung drew X-force for how long? And it was never late...
Compare Cheung's work then to his work now. YA is miles beyond his X-Force work, and to achieve that, it may be necessary for Cheung to work at a slower pace.

[Zombienorthstar]

I think it should go as far as it would go if it was a hetero relationship.

No holding back. If people don't like it they can **** off.

Id agree with this..but will Marvel?

I hope they're brave...these characters are important...i wish there ahd been something like this out there during my 'confused' stage...it reperesents gay youngsters as down to earth and normal...

why do so many people take issue with that?

I remember one poster a while ago ina nother thread arguing that if a hero was gay 'it presented a vice as a virtue' soemthing i still dont understand.

[hulkling1]

At the end of #12, during the memorial scene, if Hulkling and Wiccan would have kissed, or even hugged, I don't think I would have even blinked. It would have seemed a natural part of the moment...and probably one of the most important moments in homosexuality in mainstream comic books to date.

I hope Marvel allows Heinberg to explore this relationship to its depths. To be honest, as much as I would love to see them kiss in the book, as long as he is able to show the readers how much they love each other through their dialogue and interaction, that will be enough for me. Unfortunately beggars can't be choosers with such a touchy subject.

If I had my way, Heinberg and Cheung would be allowed to do whatever they please. I figure, if you have a problem with it, you dont love the characters enough to care so why even bother complaining. Its not like their relationship is something that is revealed after you have been a faithful fan for the last 20 years. The book started with them being gay. If you dont like it and you can't be mature about the subject and keep an open mind, tough $#!T. Go read Marvel Adventures!

[1WEBHEAD]

I wonder if they will bring back Iron Lad as Kang and the Young Avengers have to stop him, one of their dearest friends. It'll be hard for Giant Girl(forgot her new name) to attack him because of their relationship.

[Sentinel K]

At the end of #12, during the memorial scene, if Hulkling and Wiccan would have kissed, or even hugged, I don't think I would have even blinked. It would have seemed a natural part of the moment...and probably one of the most important moments in homosexuality in mainstream comic books to date.

I hope Marvel allows Heinberg to explore this relationship to its depths. To be honest, as much as I would love to see them kiss in the book, as long as he is able to show the readers how much they love each other through their dialogue and interaction, that will be enough for me. Unfortunately beggars can't be choosers with such a touchy subject.

If I had my way, Heinberg and Cheung would be allowed to do whatever they please. I figure, if you have a problem with it, you dont love the characters enough to care so why even bother complaining. Its not like their relationship is something that is revealed after you have been a faithful fan for the last 20 years. The book started with them being gay. If you dont like it and you can't be mature about the subject and keep an open mind, tough $#!T. Go read Marvel Adventures!

True. I was astounded when i read the letters page, and people were complaining and saying they want to read comics to 'escape' real life.

To me that comes across as saying 'I don't want gay people in my comics'.

Now i'm not going to to say the opposite and say 'I want gay people in my comics', because it's not something I feel that strongly about.

But it is right there in YA and it's a reflection of real life, so why not?

If it makes people realise that homosexuals are not evil, then .....woooo!

[hulkling1]

But to answer Zombienorthstar's initial question...

I think there will be a deeper exploration of their relationship in Season 2, along with the other YA love lives. You have the triangle of Kate, Speed, and Patriot. You also have the possibility of Cassie and Vision, since he has Iron Lad's thought patterns and Cassie and Iron Lad shared some intimate moments.

Heinberg has hinted that Billy and Tommy will be learning more about their pasts in Season 2. This will present an opportunity for Teddy to support Billy as he discovers his heritage, just as Billy supported Teddy during the new Kree/Skrull event.

I am actually very excited to see what happens when Teddy and Billy meet Karolina (and her neophyte superkrull fiance) in the YA/Runaways book.

One question for Heinberg I would love to have answered...He has often said that you should write using your own experiences. We know he is openly homosexual so does the relationship between Billy and Teddy reflect an actual relationship he has had or even his own coming out process?

[Hi-Fi]

I am actually very excited to see what happens when Teddy and Billy meet Karolina (and her neophyte superkrull fiance) in the YA/Runaways book.



I'm with you.

I can't wait to see the Runaways and the Young Avengers interacting with each other. I really hope Zeb Wells do a nice job.

About Teddy and Billy kissing, I woudn't hold my breath. As much as I'd love to see their relationship portrayed as a straight relationship would, the fact that they're still kids will never allow Marvel to go for it. I mean, in an Ultimate X-Men arc we had Cyclops/Jean and Rogue/Bobby kissing, stripping and going to bed together, while Colossus never even holded Northstar's hand in their date. And they're much older than Wiccan/Hulkling.


Although, if I remember correctly, Nico and Karolina did ALMOST kiss. hum...

[Bobster777]

I'm with you.

I can't wait to see the Runaways and the Young Avengers interacting with each other. I really hope Zeb Wells do a nice job.

About Teddy and Billy kissing, I woudn't hold my breath. As much as I'd love to see their relationship portrayed as a straight relationship would, the fact that they're still kids will never allow Marvel to go for it. I mean, in an Ultimate X-Men arc we had Cyclops/Jean and Rogue/Bobby kissing, stripping and going to bed together, while Colossus never even holded Northstar's hand in their date. And they're much older than Wiccan/Hulkling.


Although, if I remember correctly, Nico and Karolina did ALMOST kiss. hum...
Rogue and Bobby are the same age, 15-16 age range. I was kinda put off at how they just jumped each other like that. I mean, isn't there any supervision at that place? Sorry to sound so prudish, but I just think there is way too much stuff like this everywhere these days.

If it isn't out of nowhere, I don't see why Ted and Billy won't be shown kissing in the near future. The team pretty much accepts their relationship.

[Hi-Fi]

Rogue and Bobby are the same age, 15-16 age range. I was kinda put off at how they just jumped each other like that. I mean, isn't there any supervision at that place? Sorry to sound so prudish, but I just think there is way too much stuff like this everywhere these days.

If it isn't out of nowhere, I don't see why Ted and Billy won't be shown kissing in the near future. The team pretty much accepts their relationship.

Bobby and Rogue were alone at the mansion.


And if every couple can demonstrate their affection in the books (we always see Scott/Emma, Peter/MJ, Chase/Gert, Black/Panther/Storm *ugh* kissing) why woudn't Ted and Billy?

I do think that it shouldn't be something hyped. That would be lame. I remember that Joss Whedon chose to show Tara and Willow kissing for the first time in the Buffy show in the episode The Body, because a lot of important things were happening in that particular chapter and therefore the kiss wouldn't be the higher point of the episode.

I think that's how it should work.

[Bobster777]

Bobby and Rogue were alone at the mansion.


And if every couple can demonstrate their affection in the books (we always see Scott/Emma, Peter/MJ, Chase/Gert, Black/Panther/Storm *ugh* kissing) why woudn't Ted and Billy?

I do think that it shouldn't be something hyped. That would be lame. I remember that Joss Whedon chose to show Tara and Willow kissing for the first time in the Buffy show in the episode The Body, because a lot of important things were happening in that particular chapter and therefore the kiss wouldn't be the higher point of the episode.

I think that's how it should work.
My point was, they shouldn't have been alone. You've got a school with co-ed dorms, you should always have an adult there.

I agree with you though. It shouldn't be hyped at all. Gay kissing scenes have been seen already. They should just make a normal part of the story.

[Hi-Fi]

My point was, they shouldn't have been alone. You've got a school with co-ed dorms, you should always have an adult there.



Well, the only adult in that big mansion is Xavier and he was out getting some.:p

[Bobster777]

Well, the only adult in that big mansion is Xavier and he was out getting some.:p
Ha ha, hay. No wonder why everyone in the mansion was so horny. Xavier must have been giving off some telepathic vibes.

[Babylon23]

The relationship should be portrayed exactly the same as any heterosexual superhero comic relationship. To do otherwise would be to detract from how naturally and intelligently the relationship has been written to date.

Really, is it such a big deal to show two people who are clearly in love with one another kissing.

[Zombienorthstar]

Heinberg is gay? Didn;t knwo that...man he's hot...:D

I think the Willow Tara suggestion is a sensible one. As logn as the kiss isnt made a big deal of then hopefully it won't cause too much controversey.

Sadly, i find it most tragic that some people with prejudices have put down the book as really they are the ones that could have benefitted from seeing what gay people are really like.

[hulkling1]

The relationship should be portrayed exactly the same as any heterosexual superhero comic relationship. To do otherwise would be to detract from how naturally and intelligently the relationship has been written to date.

I totally agree.

It was disappointing, as pointed out earlier, how the relationship between Colossus and Northstar was treated, or should I say ignored.

Someone has mentioned seeing the team out of costume, in a more natural social setting, like in school or eating at a restaurant. It would be cool to see how the two act in public. We got short glimpses in previous issues. I loved the scenes with Billy's parents. Those were a lot of fun.

[Bobster777]

I totally agree.

It was disappointing, as pointed out earlier, how the relationship between Colossus and Northstar was treated, or should I say ignored.

Someone has mentioned seeing the team out of costume, in a more natural social setting, like in school or eating at a restaurant. It would be cool to see how the two act in public. We got short glimpses in previous issues. I loved the scenes with Billy's parents. Those were a lot of fun.
Well, at least the relationship isn't being treated like it should be hidden. I mean, Billy and Ted are pretty honest about it. The fact that all their friends and Billy's parents know is a good thing. It shows that the relationship is not something to be ashamed off.

[Zombienorthstar]

I totally agree.

It was disappointing, as pointed out earlier, how the relationship between Colossus and Northstar was treated, or should I say ignored.

Someone has mentioned seeing the team out of costume, in a more natural social setting, like in school or eating at a restaurant. It would be cool to see how the two act in public. We got short glimpses in previous issues. I loved the scenes with Billy's parents. Those were a lot of fun.


Id like perhaps one of them to be slightly awkward in public. In my experiences young gay relationships usually suffer from internal homophobia...with one of the two beign very aware in a public situation.

[hulkling1]

Id like perhaps one of them to be slightly awkward in public. In my experiences young gay relationships usually suffer from internal homophobia...with one of the two beign very aware in a public situation.

Interesting point. Billy would most likely have that point of view considering his experiences shown in the YA Special. He was the victim of bullies in school whereas Teddy used his abilities to fit in. Teddy seems to be less likely to be so socially sensitive. Maybe next season we will see a "date night" storyline, Kate and Eli with Billy and Teddy (with Tommy sneaking around to sabotage Eli's chances with Kate :) ).

[Bobster777]

Interesting point. Billy would most likely have that point of view considering his experiences shown in the YA Special. He was the victim of bullies in school whereas Teddy used his abilities to fit in. Teddy seems to be less likely to be so socially sensitive. Maybe next season we will see a "date night" storyline, Kate and Eli with Billy and Teddy (with Tommy sneaking around to sabotage Eli's chances with Kate :) ).
ha ha, that would be a great issue. A double date kind of thing would be cool.

[Zombienorthstar]

Interesting point. Billy would most likely have that point of view considering his experiences shown in the YA Special. He was the victim of bullies in school whereas Teddy used his abilities to fit in. Teddy seems to be less likely to be so socially sensitive. Maybe next season we will see a "date night" storyline, Kate and Eli with Billy and Teddy (with Tommy sneaking around to sabotage Eli's chances with Kate :) ).


I think the opposite...for the same reasons. Teddy has always treid to fit in...which means he might be more uncomfortable when he does somehting that means he doesnt fit in. Where as Billy has had to grin and bear it before.

[Bobster777]

Did they explain who would be adopting Teddy?

[ocelotrevs]

I absolutely adore this series. From the first issue all the way through.

All 13 issues were above par. And most were just great, from the art, too the story, and too the history.

An amazing series.

[Beast]

Did they explain who would be adopting Teddy?
I assume he's going to be living with the Kaplan family.

[Deus ex Chris]

Id like perhaps one of them to be slightly awkward in public. In my experiences young gay relationships usually suffer from internal homophobia...with one of the two beign very aware in a public situation.
Both are well-adjusted, and we know Billy is from an open, accepting family, and nothing has happened to suggest otherwise of Teddy's "mother," so I don't really see why what your suggesting is necessary, or how it would even be in character for either one. Besides, what do they have to fear? They're super-heroes, now.

[Bobster777]

Both are well-adjusted and we know Billy is from an open, accepting family, and nothing has happened to suggest otherwise of Teddy's "mother," so I don't really see why what your suggesting is necessary, or how it would even be in character for either one. Besides, what do they have to fear? They're super-heroes, now.
It's not so much fear. Kids that age have a great need to be accepted. So, as much as people can put up a front, they still care about what others think about them. So far, everyone has accepted their relationship. We'll see if that continues in future issues.

[Deus ex Chris]

Kids that age have a great need to be accepted.
And you don't think fear has any part of that? Do you remember being that age? Fear was definitely involved. Of course--getting back to my point--the Young Avengers Special showed the mundane teenage issues the kids had before (including some of their fears), but everything we've seen of them since the emergence of their gifts and the subsequent formation of the team suggests to me that they've found, in each other, the acceptance they've yearned for.

[Zombienorthstar]

Both are well-adjusted, and we know Billy is from an open, accepting family, and nothing has happened to suggest otherwise of Teddy's "mother," so I don't really see why what your suggesting is necessary, or how it would even be in character for either one. Besides, what do they have to fear? They're super-heroes, now.

Okay...once again relating to my own experience. I'm gay...come from a VERY accepting family (my aunt was a lesbian so i always knew coming out everyone would be fine)...but there was still a time when I wasnt comfortable with being gay...not because im insecure or anything just as i learned to accept myself.

I think its perfectly pheasible that one of the boys might have that experience...despite being perfectly well adjusted and coming from an 'open' family.

I'm not saying self-hatred...im talking about being self concious.

[Deus ex Chris]

Okay...once again relating to my own experience. I'm gay...come from a VERY accepting family (my aunt was a lesbian so i always knew coming out everyone would be fine)...but there was still a time when I wasnt comfortable with being gay...not because im insecure or anything just as i learned to accept myself.

I think its perfectly pheasible that one of the boys might have that experience...despite being perfectly well adjusted and coming from an 'open' family.

I'm not saying self-hatred...im talking about being self concious.
I understand, but I feel like they've both moved beyond that sort of thing. It would really seem out of character--to me--for either one of them to start exhibiting such behaviors, at this point.

Besides, I like that Heinberg has consciously made their sexual orientation a non-issue. It's refreshing to see homosexual characters who just exist in the same way everyone else does.

[Zombienorthstar]

I understand, but I feel like they've both moved beyond that sort of thing. It would really seem out of characte--to me--for either one of them to start exhibiting such behaviors, at this point.

Besides, I like that Heinberg has consciously made their sexual orientation a non-issue. It's refreshing to see homosexual characters who just exist in the same way everyone else does.


Im not tlaking about them suddenly start saying 'i dont wanna be gay' but more like with public hand holding/kissing etc...

I enjoy how Heinberg hasnt 'Party of Five'-ed it...making it this big deal...but part of me also thinks from a socially concious point of view...the realtionship would nice to be examined.

[Deus ex Chris]

Im not tlaking about them suddenly start saying 'i dont wanna be gay' but more like with public hand holding/kissing etc...
I know exactly what you're talking about. I just don't feel that it is necessary.

I enjoy how Heinberg hasnt 'Party of Five'-ed it...making it this big deal...but part of me also thinks from a socially concious point of view...the realtionship would nice to be examined.
Being a socially conscious gay man myself, I believe that presenting homosexuality as a non-issue can often be as effective (and sometimes more effective) than presenting it as an issue.

[Bobster777]

I know exactly what you're talking about. I just don't feel that it is necessary.


Being a socially conscious gay man myself, I believe that presenting homosexuality as a non-issue can often be as effective (and sometimes more effective) than presenting it as an issue.
Yeah, I agree with you there. The most it is portrayed as something that is commonplace, the more people will start seeing it as a normal part of life.

[Citizen V]

What exactly is Iron Lad`s connection to Kang?Kang himself said that he told a past version of himself,about his future.The young Kang refused to become evil,and decided to go back in time to try and stop the evil adult Kang.

So wouldnt Iron Lad be erased from existance,because he did not grow up to be a Kang the Conqureror?Or like Kang said,he has countless alternate or previous or young versions of himself?

[RonnieThunderbolts]

What exactly is Iron Lad`s connection to Kang?Kang himself said that he told a past version of himself,about his future.The young Kang refused to become evil,and decided to go back in time to try and stop the evil adult Kang.

So wouldnt Iron Lad be erased from existance,because he did not grow up to be a Kang the Conqureror?Or like Kang said,he has countless alternate or previous or young versions of himself?

No, he DOESN'T have ANY alternate versions. He didn't say that at all in YA, because it hasn't been the case since Avengers Forever. No, in order to have Teddy, Billy, and the team live he had to BECOME Kang. He went to try to run away from his destiny, but the act made him friendships that led him to fulfill this same fate.

[hulkling1]

Does anyone think the Nitro/Hulkling connection will ever be brought up in Civil War and CW related books? Nitro is known for causing the death of Captain Marvel, who was also Hulkling's father. Right now, he is the most wanted villian in the US. With the YA taking such an active role in the CW, it would be interesting to see if this effects the plot or at least gets a mention.

[shaunyc56]

I know exactly what you're talking about. I just don't feel that it is necessary.


Being a socially conscious gay man myself, I believe that presenting homosexuality as a non-issue can often be as effective (and sometimes more effective) than presenting it as an issue.


Yeah, just let it be a non issue. I'm straight and while I think the story of a young gay super hero, who just realized it, would be interesting, it seems out of character for either one of these two.

[Beyond The Beyonder]

Does anyone know if Heinberg reads any of these boards? These or any others? I'd really love to communicate with him.

I'd love to thank him for all the wonderful things he's doing with this book, 'cause YA is probably the best ongoing Marvel's putting out right now. And I'd also like to plead with him to change "Wiccan'"s name.

Would you name a character "Christian?" "The Amazing Muslim?" "Society-For-Krishna-Consciousness Man?" Tres bizarre.

[Beast]

Does anyone know if Heinberg reads any of these boards? These or any others? I'd really love to communicate with him.

I'd love to thank him for all the wonderful things he's doing with this book, 'cause YA is probably the best ongoing Marvel's putting out right now. And I'd also like to plead with him to change "Wiccan'"s name.

Would you name a character "Christian?" "The Amazing Muslim?" "Society-For-Krishna-Consciousness Man?" Tres bizarre.
Yeah, but Wicca is a lot different than those other religions.

Though I'm sure he'll get yet another name change eventually.

[Beyond The Beyonder]

{{{ Yeah, but Wicca is a lot different than those other religions.}}}}

Have you ever been to a Wiccan service? I wouldn't say it's any more different from those religions, than those established religions are from each other. It's just younger. It's a religion, and they employ the same kind of hierarchies and rituals that the church does.

I'm a practicing magician myself and I have nothing against Wicca. I just think it's sort of silly to use in a person's codename. It's just like calling a character "The Protestant."

[Zombienorthstar]

I think Billy is too intelligent to keep having such an idiotic name to be honest...id like him to take a new one...maybe some sort of homage to Wanda...?

[Haunt]

I think Billy is too intelligent to keep having such an idiotic name to be honest...id like him to take a new one...maybe some sort of homage to Wanda...?

like changing it to 'Gypsyslutoutfit-Lad?'

[PretenderNX01]

Does anyone know if Heinberg reads any of these boards? These or any others? I'd really love to communicate with him.

I'd love to thank him for all the wonderful things he's doing with this book, 'cause YA is probably the best ongoing Marvel's putting out right now. And I'd also like to plead with him to change "Wiccan'"s name.

Would you name a character "Christian?" "The Amazing Muslim?" "Society-For-Krishna-Consciousness Man?" Tres bizarre.
You can try his MySpace (http://www.myspace.com/purepop) he listed it in the letters page, but I don't know that he reads that many of the comments.

I odn't know what else you'd name Billy, Red Mage? Nah, it sounds like a disease.

[Bobster777]

I think Billy is too intelligent to keep having such an idiotic name to be honest...id like him to take a new one...maybe some sort of homage to Wanda...?
I always liked Warlock or Kid Warlock.

[TCJohnson]

I don't have a problem with him calling himself Wiccan. At least he has stopped saying, "I am a warlock, not a witch." That seemed really disrespectful.

[Beyond The Beyonder]

{{{{I don't have a problem with him calling himself Wiccan. At least he has stopped saying, "I am a warlock, not a witch." That seemed really disrespectful.}}}}

Are we reading the same comic?

It's the other way around. He was saying "I'm a witch, not a warlock" because warlock means "oath breaker." Given that he's expressed his distaste in that word he's unlikely to adopt it as a codename.

But there are other mystical magic-related codenames I could see him taking up: Mystic, Mage, Magus, Mythos, Conjure, Seeker... I'm certain there are dozens of others that aren't coming to me right now.

[Mo S.]

We did a chat with Allan Heinberg up on Avengersforever.org (here is the link for the transcript: http://www.avengersforever.org/chat/transcripts/Heinberg.htm ) and his comment, when asked about the name Wiccan, was:

"Wiccan is another word for witch. It doesn't have an exclusively religious meaning."

There are some other nice discussions of what's coming up (nothing too spoiler-y),

[TCJohnson]

It's the other way around. He was saying "I'm a witch, not a warlock" because warlock means "oath breaker." Given that he's expressed his distaste in that word he's unlikely to adopt it as a codename.

Actually, the first time somebody called him a witch and he said, "No, I am a warlock." After that Heinberg got several letters about this, including one from me, that wiccans do not call themselves Warlocks and usually consider it insulting. Then in a later issue somebody called Wiccan a warlock and Wiccan said that he now prefered to be called a witch because Warlock is a bad thing.

[TCJohnson]

We did a chat with Allan Heinberg up on Avengersforever.org (here is the link for the transcript: http://www.avengersforever.org/chat/transcripts/Heinberg.htm ) and his comment, when asked about the name Wiccan, was:

"Wiccan is another word for witch. It doesn't have an exclusively religious meaning."

There are some other nice discussions of what's coming up (nothing too spoiler-y),


Damn, meant to check that out but missed it.

Although I disagree on wicca not being exclusively religious. Still, I wouldn't mind a superhero called The Christian or the Hebrew as long as it was respectful of the religion he or she was taking after.

[Beast]

Good Q&A, wish it was easier to read though. Glad to see AH finally firmly state what many of us have argued over for months. It does all take place Pre-HoM. :)

10:37:48 PM - Allan Heinberg - Yeah, most people didn't get that YA Vol 1 takes place between Disassembled and House of M.

[Bobster777]

Good Q&A, wish it was easier to read though. Glad to see AH finally firmly state what many of us have argued over for months. It does all take place Pre-HoM. :)

10:37:48 PM - Allan Heinberg - Yeah, most people didn't get that YA Vol 1 takes place between Disassembled and House of M.
I guess my only question is, what is the point of Wanda making those fake twins during HOM? If the YA twins already existed before HOM, they should have been part of the HOM. Also, Wanda probably doesn't really know about the twins or she wouldn't have gone crazy trying to recreate them.

[Beast]

I guess my only question is, what is the point of Wanda making those fake twins during HOM? If the YA twins already existed before HOM, they should have been part of the HOM. Also, Wanda probably doesn't really know about the twins or she wouldn't have gone crazy trying to recreate them.
She probably just didn't know. Or they were the twins during HoM. :)

[Bobster777]

She probably just didn't know. Or they were the twins during HoM. :)
Ahh, good point. I got to pick up the YA annual. I know Wanda ran into Billy, but I don't know whether she knew who he really was or not.

[Stagier]

Does anyone know if AH has stated that Billy is an homage to Whedon's Willow?

Both are named Will, practice magic, and are gay. and their lovers names start with T.

just a thought.

[Bobster777]

Does anyone know if AH has stated that Billy is an homage to Whedon's Willow?

Both are named Will, practice magic, and are gay. and their lovers names start with T.

just a thought.
Hmm, that would something. Great observation there.

[Young Avenger]

A young Masters of Evil? The return of Kang? I'm sold on season 2.

[Bobster777]

A young Masters of Evil? The return of Kang? I'm sold on season 2.
Hmm, interesting thought. Who would make good members though? I mean, if Kang returned, wouldn't he have to be an adult. Ultron's kid is on the Runaways team. Can anyone think of some good possible characters?

[Young Avenger]

Hmm, interesting thought. Who would make good members though? I mean, if Kang returned, wouldn't he have to be an adult. Ultron's kid is on the Runaways team. Can anyone think of some good possible characters?

It's no thought. Heinberg said there's going to be a young Masters of Evil in the second season and they'll have a connection with them. It was in the chat Rhyo posted. I wanna see a young Zamo. :D

[Zombienorthstar]

{{{{I don't have a problem with him calling himself Wiccan. At least he has stopped saying, "I am a warlock, not a witch." That seemed really disrespectful.}}}}

Are we reading the same comic?

It's the other way around. He was saying "I'm a witch, not a warlock" because warlock means "oath breaker." Given that he's expressed his distaste in that word he's unlikely to adopt it as a codename.

But there are other mystical magic-related codenames I could see him taking up: Mystic, Mage, Magus, Mythos, Conjure, Seeker... I'm certain there are dozens of others that aren't coming to me right now.


See the reason that Warlock or Kid Warlock (which i like better) is still apt that Billy's powers are technically lies. His power is to alter reality from what it is...to what he wants it to be... hence he's breaking an almost unspoken oath to accept reality.

Other alternatives? Ward, Conjurer, Kid Wish....

[Zombienorthstar]

Does anyone know if AH has stated that Billy is an homage to Whedon's Willow?

Both are named Will, practice magic, and are gay. and their lovers names start with T.

just a thought.

I agree he's a character thats in the same vein but some of those links are a bit tenous...you could of said 'they both also live on earth'....

[Grazzt]

Other alternatives? Ward, Conjurer, Kid Wish....

Sparky the Sorceror's Apprentice? (100 points for anyone who gets the reference)

[Bobster777]

It's no thought. Heinberg said there's going to be a young Masters of Evil in the second season and they'll have a connection with them. It was in the chat Rhyo posted. I wanna see a young Zamo. :D
Oh cool, I can't wait to see that.

[Stagier]

I agree he's a character thats in the same vein but some of those links are a bit tenous...you could of said 'they both also live on earth'....

Snarky.....

but i guess the last one about tara and ted is a big tenUous.

and they both DO live on earth! ooh the conspiracies!

[Zombienorthstar]

Snarky.....

but i guess the last one about tara and ted is a big tenUous.

and they both DO live on earth! ooh the conspiracies!


Snarky in an affectionate way man....

I love Willow and Billy.

[Will.S]

Tom Brevoort's blog showed off some art from various titles. I found the CW Runaways/Young Avengers one interesting since it seems that they've gotten their own little quinjet:

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/271new_storyimage2225884_full.jpg

There's also a podcast on X-Men Civil War with David Hine and the YA/Runaways CW crossover here with Zeb Wells:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.531

[Bobster777]

Tom Brevoort's blog showed off some art from various titles. I found the CW Runaways/Young Avengers one interesting since it seems that they've gotten their own little quinjet:

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/271new_storyimage2225884_full.jpg

There's also a podcast on X-Men Civil War with David Hine and the YA/Runaways CW crossover here with Zeb Wells:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.531
Oh wow, the art looks spectacular. I hope the writing will match it. Thanks for posting Will.S.

[Zombienorthstar]

Tom Brevoort's blog showed off some art from various titles. I found the CW Runaways/Young Avengers one interesting since it seems that they've gotten their own little quinjet:

http://marvel.com/i/content/st/271new_storyimage2225884_full.jpg

There's also a podcast on X-Men Civil War with David Hine and the YA/Runaways CW crossover here with Zeb Wells:

http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.531


Are Billy and Teddy arguing?? NOOOOOO

[Mo S.]

Are Billy and Teddy arguing?? NOOOOOO

My guess is that Teddy gets airsick and Billy's temporarily "curing" it....

[Will.S]

My guess is that Teddy gets airsick and Billy's temporarily "curing" it....
Nah he's like: "Puh-LEASE! Talk to the hand!"

[Stagier]

make that the MAGIC hand

[Bobster777]

"Do I have anything under my armpit?" :p

[Zombienorthstar]

Nah he's like: "Puh-LEASE! Talk to the hand!"


Does anyone think that Tommys entrance will cause tension between the two?

[Bobster777]

Does anyone think that Tommys entrance will cause tension between the two?
Hmm, not really, but it is possible. If Tommy and Billy spend more time together and thus Teddy is left out, this may cause a bit of a rift. As far as I know, Teddy doesn't really care about Tommy's criminal past, so, I don't know if that will cause tension now that Tommy is on the team.

[Stagier]

i think tommy will bother kate and eli more than his bro.

wonder who cassie will hook up with first, young vision or adult kang...

if it's vision, how pissed will billy and tommy's mom be!!!

something else, besides kate, everyones names end with a "y" sound. billy, teddy, tommy, cassie and some ways eli. is this just to show that they're kids? what is cassie short for? cassandra?

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

i think tommy will bother kate and eli more than his bro.

wonder who cassie will hook up with first, young vision or adult kang...

if it's vision, how pissed will billy and tommy's mom be!!!

something else, besides kate, everyones names end with a "y" sound. billy, teddy, tommy, cassie and some ways eli. is this just to show that they're kids? what is cassie short for? cassandra?

okay, I've a bunch of things to say and/or ask.

First, yes it is short for Cassandra.
Next, I've only read the first six issues, does anyone know when the paperback version ove YA Vol. 2 come out?

Oh, and because I've only read the first six issues, how does adult kang play into this? I mean, I know iron lad is the young kang and they had something but is adult kang back?

[Mo S.]

As mentioned in the chat linked to upthread a bit:

Q - Okay. The first one: In the YA special, we saw Kang. Was that the teenage Kang (Iron Lad) or the adult one?
Allan Heinberg - That was teenage Kang. He'll be back.

and, regarding "Season 2"
Allan Heinberg - Two love triangles: Eli/Kate/Tommy. And Kang/Cassie/Vision.

[Deus ex Chris]

Allan Heinberg - Two love triangles: Eli/Kate/Tommy. And Kang/Cassie/Vision.
This, of course, leaves Billy and Teddy with the stable relationship of the group--I'm assuming--which is pretty awesome.

[Beast]

This, of course, leaves Billy and Teddy with the stable relationship of the group--I'm assuming--which is pretty awesome.
Agreed, my friend. Teddy/Billy for life. :D

[Bobster777]

As mentioned in the chat linked to upthread a bit:

Q - Okay. The first one: In the YA special, we saw Kang. Was that the teenage Kang (Iron Lad) or the adult one?
Allan Heinberg - That was teenage Kang. He'll be back.

and, regarding "Season 2"
Allan Heinberg - Two love triangles: Eli/Kate/Tommy. And Kang/Cassie/Vision.
Hmm, I wonder how Heinberg will make that work. The reason why the timeline went all cooky and everyone started disappearing was because teen Kang came back in time.

[irish_star]

This, of course, leaves Billy and Teddy with the stable relationship of the group--I'm assuming--which is pretty awesome.
Seeing as they'll be co-habitating next season, I'm going to guess they'll be stable for a while...

(Taken from the chat) Allan Heinberg - We'll be unpacking more of Teddy's past in Vol. 2 when he moves in with Billy's family.

[Bobster777]

I hope we'll see Teddy's powers evolve next season. I'd love to see him develop some of Captain Marvel's powers. For all we know, the super strength could be from Cap. I'd like to see him develop energy blasts, and gain his father's "cosmic awareness." Man, he would be the ultimate alien.

[Stagier]

I hope we'll see Teddy's powers evolve next season. I'd love to see him develop some of Captain Marvel's powers. For all we know, the super strength could be from Cap. I'd like to see him develop energy blasts, and gain his father's "cosmic awareness." Man, he would be the ultimate alien.


no offense, but super shape changing abilities AND cosmic awareness, that would just be too deux ex machina, i mean more than Tessa " i can do anything with my cyberpathy" Sage!

Teddy moves in with Billy.. wonder if they get to share a room like if they were brothers, or will Bills parents seperate them and treat them as a couple.
There's really no risk with high school gay sex, no pregnancy possible!

and to answer a question above, adult kang doesn't fit into this at all, I am just assuming he's bound to show up, and if cassie will feel the same way about 30 something kang as she does 16 year old kang.

Wonder if AH will be interested in doing a LOVE SQUARE vision/cassie/young kang/adult kang. heck throw wanda in there somewhere. love pentagon.

can't wait!

[Zombienorthstar]

Teddy moves in with Billy.. wonder if they get to share a room like if they were brothers, or will Bills parents seperate them and treat them as a couple.
There's really no risk with high school gay sex, no pregnancy possible!

!


true...though my parents didnt like the idea of me banging a boy in the next room..theres a time when u can get TOO liberal.

[Radical_dreamer]

oh for god's sake. I've seen more pages of forum talk concerning Ted and Billy's sex life than most other topics in the book. It's ridiculous.....almost makes me wish they wern't gay in the first place. And no this isn't some gay-bash, im bi that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. But there is OTHER stuff going on in the book....enough with the imaginary sex life of two characters.
It's annoying when it's Superman and Lois Lane and it's even more so when it's Hulking and Wiccan.

[Beast]

oh for god's sake. I've seen more pages of forum talk concerning Ted and Billy's sex life than most other topics in the book. It's ridiculous.....almost makes me wish they wern't gay in the first place. And no this isn't some gay-bash, im bi that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. But there is OTHER stuff going on in the book....enough with the imaginary sex life of two characters.
It's annoying when it's Superman and Lois Lane and it's even more so when it's Hulking and Wiccan.
So? It's something that we're enjoying discussing. If you don't like it, just ignore the posts regarding it. It's not like the above post actually offered anything else for us to discuss, since it's just decrying the interest and the discussion of the Teddy/Billy romance. If you want us to talk about something else, offer something that catches our interest. Instead of just whining that your tired of hearing about it.

And no, there's no way any relationship could be more tired and boring to discuss as Superman/Lois Lane. :D

[Grazzt]

oh for god's sake. I've seen more pages of forum talk concerning Ted and Billy's sex life than most other topics in the book. It's ridiculous.....almost makes me wish they wern't gay in the first place. And no this isn't some gay-bash, im bi that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. But there is OTHER stuff going on in the book....enough with the imaginary sex life of two characters.
It's annoying when it's Superman and Lois Lane and it's even more so when it's Hulking and Wiccan.

But there are so few stable gay relationships in comics that get a lot of air time. We have to take it where we can get it. ;)

[Zombienorthstar]

oh for god's sake. I've seen more pages of forum talk concerning Ted and Billy's sex life than most other topics in the book. It's ridiculous.....almost makes me wish they wern't gay in the first place. And no this isn't some gay-bash, im bi that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. But there is OTHER stuff going on in the book....enough with the imaginary sex life of two characters.
It's annoying when it's Superman and Lois Lane and it's even more so when it's Hulking and Wiccan.


If you actually look at most of the threads...it hasnt been a discussion about the story itself...but about the public reaction to it and the historical context in terms of a stable gay couple being represented in the creative media. That is why its a significant issue. That is why its a hot discussion...as its a discussion that we have rarely had the oppurtunity to have in relation to comic books...

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

If you actually look at most of the threads...it hasnt been a discussion about the story itself...but about the public reaction to it and the historical context in terms of a stable gay couple being represented in the creative media. That is why its a significant issue. That is why its a hot discussion...as its a discussion that we have rarely had the oppurtunity to have in relation to comic books...

Man, i've really got to get YA #7-12. So Wiccan and Hulkling are now openly gay? And Hulkling's moving in with Billy?

[Beast]

Man, i've really got to get YA #7-12. So Wiccan and Hulkling are now openly gay? And Hulkling's moving in with Billy?
The Young Avengers Special had them outting themselves publically in Kat Ferrel's story about them. :)

[Hi-Fi]

I wanna see some interaction between Teddy and Karolina in the upcoming Civil War: Runaways and Young Avengers. I think that's a given, right? They have so much in common.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

The Young Avengers Special had them outting themselves publically in Kat Ferrel's story about them. :)

Thanks. I think the special is in Volume 2 also. I cannot wait until that comes out. :)

[Beast]

I wanna see some interaction between Teddy and Karolina in the upcoming Civil War: Runaways and Young Avengers. I think that's a given, right? They have so much in common.
I'm hoping for that also. I really hope that Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways maintains the feel of both groups. The writer is working with BKV and AH so hopefully he writes them true to character. :)

[Bobster777]

I'm hoping for that also. I really hope that Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways maintains the feel of both groups. The writer is working with BKV and AH so hopefully he writes them true to character. :)
Well, that's good to know. I think Civil War: YA/Runaway has the potential to be the best tie-in if written correctly.

[Stagier]

i think that the adults will come around and start "mentoring" the kids, so best bet is that they will be around.

tommy and billy are magnetos grandkids... and nocturne's cousins. whoa. just a thought.

[Will.S]

Oh wow, the art looks spectacular. I hope the writing will match it. Thanks for posting Will.S.
No probs, BTW the podcast was kind of iffy.

Tom Brevoort put out the most compelling info out there while David Hine sounded kind of bored, plus it was really muffled on his end. It was as if he cupped his mouth with his hands and started talking. Zeb Wells talked about the intimidation factor of the project and how he wanted to get a feel for the character voices but other than that he was a bit too jokey. I guess they just don't want to reveal too much but I dunno....it could have been better.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Okay then. Does anyone know yet when YA "Season 2" is starting? February? March? And I've also heard rumors that the title may become bi-monthly. Is there any thruth to that? I sure hope not.

[Beast]

Okay then. Does anyone know yet when YA "Season 2" is starting? February? March? And I've also heard rumors that the title may become bi-monthly. Is there any thruth to that? I sure hope not.
Yeah, I believe I recall Heinberg saying that the book would return in Febury of 2007. And that it would be bi-monthly from that point forward. A shame really, but with all the delays of the book it's probably for the best.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Yeah, I believe I recall Heinberg saying that the book would return in Febury of 2007. And that it would be bi-monthly from that point forward. A shame really, but with all the delays of the book it's probably for the best.

Thank you Beast. That really does stink though about it being bi-monthly.

[Beast]

Thank you Beast. That really does stink though about it being bi-monthly.
Maybe we'll be lucky and they'll actually manage to get it done far enough in advance to keep it monthly. ;) :D

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Maybe we'll be lucky and they'll actually manage to get it done far enough in advance to keep it monthly. ;) :D

Hopefully but I wouldn't hold my breath. :p

[Bobster777]

I don't mind it being bi-monthly as long as the stories are great. I mean, look at Astonishing and The Ultimates.

[Tennoarashi]

Hopefully but I wouldn't hold my breath. :p
I hear that, considering Wonder Woman Issue 2 has already been delayed for 2 weeks.

Maybe it's not him - I really don't know - but wow, like, this doesn't nessecarily bode well.

[saintsaucey]

OMG I love this series. I was so upset when I realized the series would go on hiatus during civil war. Issue 12c was wonderfull. If I have one complaint it would be Kate and Tommy's names. Far too genaric imo.

[darkhawk76]

why couldn't Tommy call himself Mercury, as a clever nod to Quicksilver

Kate could have been Golden Archer, obviously after a slight costume change

re: Season 2 - will the series last beyond 12 issues or will we have to go through this all again for Year 3

[Moonie]

Isn't Mercury already taken up by the Eternals?....like the idea of the golden archer though:D

why couldn't Tommy call himself Mercury, as a clever nod to Quicksilver

Kate could have been Golden Archer, obviously after a slight costume change

re: Season 2 - will the series last beyond 12 issues or will we have to go through this all again for Year 3

[Beast]

I don't mind it being bi-monthly as long as the stories are great. I mean, look at Astonishing and The Ultimates.
Astonishing X-Men will not be bi-monthly starting this August. It was only bi-monthly for the first three issues of the Second Season.

[hulkling1]

Maybe we'll be lucky and they'll actually manage to get it done far enough in advance to keep it monthly. ;) :D

The hiatus over the next 8 months is supposedly a way for Heinberg and Cheung to get ahead. In a podcast, Tom Brevoort, YA editor, said that the plan is for them to stock pile YA issues over the next few months so it can remain on a stready bi-monthly schedule without added delays. Hopefully this works!

[Bobster777]

Astonishing X-Men will not be bi-monthly starting this August. It was only bi-monthly for the first three issues of the Second Season.
Oh, didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

[Sorcerer Supreme]

Man, why is YA bi monthly, thats an awful long wait, which I'm sure will be worth while, but still..... 2 months!!!

[Bobster777]

Man, why is YA bi monthly, thats an awful long wait, which I'm sure will be worth while, but still..... 2 months!!!
Ha ha, I know. It was hard enough to wait a month in between issues. However, this just means that Heinberg will have to make it 2 times better. :D

[hulkling1]

Has anyone read Civil War #3 yet?

I loved the showdown between Hulkling and the Thing. I just wish they had enough space to expand that scene a little more. In an expanded fight scene, it would have been great to see Cassie grow and back up Goliath in his fight with Wasp/GiantMan or whatever he is called now. So far I have been impressed with McNiven's rendering of some of the YA members. Hulkling and Patriot look great. It is great to see that Cap trusts them enough to bring them in, though I suppose he doesn't have much of a choice.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Has anyone read Civil War #3 yet?

I loved the showdown between Hulkling and the Thing. I just wish they had enough space to expand that scene a little more. In an expanded fight scene, it would have been great to see Cassie grow and back up Goliath in his fight with Wasp/GiantMan or whatever he is called now. So far I have been impressed with McNiven's rendering of some of the YA members. Hulkling and Patriot look great. It is great to see that Cap trusts them enough to bring them in, though I suppose he doesn't have much of a choice.

I agree. The whole trap scene was executed perfectly, with S.H.I.E.L.D. tranqing Wiccan and cloak. I loved seeing Patriot and Cap next to each other, reminded me of Cap & Bucky. Oh, and he's still being called Yellowjacket. :)

[MDactor1980]

I think we'll have to watch Heinberg's timing on the new Wonder Woman to have an idea of what to expect on the next run of Young Avengers. Let's hope they do manage to stockpile before they start the next season.

I guess Wonder Woman is more high profile, but it still chaps my ass that he's working on that in the meantime.

[Citizen V]

I recently finished the YA TPB:Sidekicks.I have now heard that Volume 2 will come out in November,someone please tell me its sooner...

[Bobster777]

I recently finished the YA TPB:Sidekicks.I have now heard that Volume 2 will come out in November,someone please tell me its sooner...
Oh cool, I'll make sure to pick that up.

[lima_bean]

i want to see a special wicca+hulkling wedding issue that would put black panther's to shame!

[Wild Card13]

But the Young Avengers live in New York, not Boston :rolleyes:

[lima_bean]

But the Young Avengers live in New York, not Boston :rolleyes:

There is no law against having a wedding and getting "married" in NYC. Gay couples have weddings and get married in NYC every single day. It just wont be recognized by the government.

Although i get your just making a joke, but really it could happen haha!

[Beast]

No sense starting a new thread, so I'll just drop it here. It seems they're planning on a 'Young Avengers' DTV movie at some point, titled 'Teen Avengers'. :D
Included with the list of straight to DVD projects, Teen Avenegrs, listed as being in development, along with Iron Man and Spider-Man animated series.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80175

[amneris]

Is there any confirmation on when the next issue of Young Avengers is coming out? I just read issues 1-12 and they're amazing! I haven't been this into a Marvel comic in years.

The Young Avengers are involved in this Civil War storyline, but I'm not sure exactly what that's all about. Do what do I need to read to get caught up?

[Stagier]

technically next YA or season 2 is forcasted for 2007.

the YA are involved in the CW. and have showed up in CW 1-3 and their own mini with the westcoast runaways.

good read, but a lot of people think it's no heinberg or BKV.

[Mariah]

Isn't Mercury already taken up by the Eternals?....like the idea of the golden archer though:D
It's Makkari, but pretty much translates to Mercury. Plus there's a mercury over in New X-Men. Doesn't mean there couldn't be more, just saying.

[Citizen V]

Well,i have been hearing that the YA will somehow be in Civil War.How has the YA been recently?

[Will.S]

Well,i have been hearing that the YA will somehow be in Civil War.How has the YA been recently?
They've been given a surprising amount of exposure during CW and with YA/Runaways.

[Brian R]

I know its OT, but I stopped collecting after YA #5, so could someone tell me who the Scarlet Witch's twins are??

[o1pickleboy]

I know its OT, but I stopped collecting after YA #5, so could someone tell me who the Scarlet Witch's twins are??


Wiccan/Asguardian is one. I let someone else fill in the other.(my mind is blank on his real name and code name, but I remember he has super speed)

[mattbib]

Wiccan/Asguardian is one. I let someone else fill in the other.(my mind is blank on his real name and code name, but I remember he has super speed)His name is Speed (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Shepherd%2C_Thomas).

[Haunt]

Wiccan/Asguardian is one. I let someone else fill in the other.(my mind is blank on his real name and code name, but I remember he has super speed)

Thomas Shepherd aka Speed

[Mo S.]

I know its OT, but I stopped collecting after YA #5, so could someone tell me who the Scarlet Witch's twins are??

As others have pointed out, the twins are two boys, Billy Kaplan (Wiccan) and Thomas Shepherd (Speed) raised by different families. The boys closely resemble each other. How that happened hasn't really been explained, but here is a paraphrased version of what was said in Young Avengers #11:

Wanda used her powers to conjure up two "lost souls" to be her sons, and Mephisto later "reclaimed" those souls, but the souls had been so changed by the Scarlet Witch's magic that reabsorbing them destroyed Mephisto and released the souls, which somehow "ended up" in the bodies of the Kaplan and Shepherd children.

That's all pretty hand-wavingly vague, but Heinberg has a lot to explain. It'll be interesting to see what the final story is. I have faith that Heinberg can pull it off, though.

[Brian R]

His name is Speed (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Shepherd%2C_Thomas).

Boy needs a new codename worse than Monica. :D


Seriously, why not call Hulk "Strong" or Reed "Stretch"(for real), or Wolvie "Claw"... the list is endless.

[Haunt]

Boy needs a new codename worse than Monica. :D


Seriously, why not call Hulk "Strong" or Reed "Stretch"(for real), or Wolvie "Claw"... the list is endless.


i think his name should be 'Friction.' and i wish they had named Cassie 'Titan.' so what if it makes people think of the Teen Titans?

[jmc247]

A meeting between Billy and Thomas and Magneto could be quite interesting.

[Will.S]

A meeting between Billy and Thomas and Magneto could be quite interesting.
Yeah, they're all wacky grandkids.

[Zombienorthstar]

A meeting between Billy and Thomas and Magneto could be quite interesting.


I cant wait till Billy and Tommy meet...

Nocturne
Scarlet Witch
Quicksilver
Magneto


Theyve got so many links to the marvel universe. Theyre connected to the X-Men, Avengers, the Inhumans (by marriage), demons etc....they are hooked up!!!!

[jmc247]

Question on wikipedia it says this. What comic was this from?

Regularly beaten up in school for being gay, Billy found solace outside the gates of the Avengers Mansion. One day, Billy encountered the Avenger Wanda, who told him to stand his ground the next time it happens. She then touched his head, causing a red light to flash briefly. The flash heals Billy's wounds and a few weeks later he stands up for another kid being bullied, and demonstrates his powers for the first time, but is not fully prepared for their effects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccan_%28comics%29

[Beast]

Question on wikipedia it says this. What comic was this from?
That's from the Young Avengers Special. It gave some more info on the character's backgrounds.

[Citizen V]

When will the next TPB of Young Avengers be on sale?

[Brian R]

i think his name should be 'Friction.' and i wish they had named Cassie 'Titan.' so what if it makes people think of the Teen Titans?

Agree about Friction, I think thats a great name for a speedster. However, I admit that I don't mind Stature, and I am sorta used to it now.

[jmc247]

Theyve got so many links to the marvel universe. Theyre connected to the X-Men, Avengers, the Inhumans (by marriage), demons etc....they are hooked up!!!!

That said Pietro and Wanda's connections to the Avengers, Magneto's connections to the X-Men, and Pietro's connections to the Inhumans have been pretty frayed of late.

[likwidben]

Agree about Friction, I think thats a great name for a speedster. However, I admit that I don't mind Stature, and I am sorta used to it now.

i agree...with both points..

[Kaos]

Young Avengers are sick, patriot could grow into like a illy breh in the MU. He's a dope black character and it's not even because he's black, he isn't a living stereotype...praise the lord

[JonBidinger]

Regularly beaten up in school for being gay, Billy found solace outside the gates of the Avengers Mansion.

When was it ever said that he was beaten up for being gay? As far as I know, he never really told anyone. If his whole school knew and he got beaten up about it, I cannot see why he was suprised when his parents revealed that they knew.

[Beast]

When was it ever said that he was beaten up for being gay? As far as I know, he never really told anyone. If his whole school knew and he got beaten up about it, I cannot see why he was suprised when his parents revealed that they knew.
No, he was beaten up for being gay. It's not outright stated, but it's there.

[TransformersFan]

What was the Young Avengers Special?

Has there been an issue ( I have all but two) where Wiccan and Hulklings relationship was explored? (Not meaning explicit) Just what they are like during down time.

[mattbib]

What was the Young Avengers Special?http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/99412477269.1.GIF

[TransformersFan]

oh great, another issue I need to track down. :mad:

[Beast]

What was the Young Avengers Special?

Has there been an issue ( I have all but two) where Wiccan and Hulklings relationship was explored? (Not meaning explicit) Just what they are like during down time.
There's a few downtime moments across the series. But there's a really nice couple of pages with the two in the Special. With Teddy/Billy holding hands and talking. It's a great scene.

[TransformersFan]

That's one thing I hope Heinberg explores in the coming second "season", the relationships and social dynamics within the team. i found that the first season was vey action oriented, and seem to leave our heroes breathless. Dont get me wrong there were some nice down time moments, but just as things were about to settle down after the Kang Jr arc the super skrull attacks, and then the Kree.

These kids need to be kids sometimes, right?

[Beast]

That's one thing I hope Heinberg explores in the coming second "season", the relationships and social dynamics within the team. i found that the first season was vey action oriented, and seem to leave our heroes breathless. Dont get me wrong there were some nice down time moments, but just as things were about to settle down after the Kang Jr arc the super skrull attacks, and then the Kree.

These kids need to be kids sometimes, right?
I feel otherwise. There was action, but it was tempered with plenty of what you're talking about. I think the balance is pretty good where were at. When there's action, the characters don't stop being who they are. Some of the best character moments in the series so far have come during the action.

[Zombienorthstar]

That said Pietro and Wanda's connections to the Avengers, Magneto's connections to the X-Men, and Pietro's connections to the Inhumans have been pretty frayed of late.


Well theyre friendswith the Avengers in their own right.

And connected to the X-Men (possibly) by Nocturne and the fact theyre mutants....

And Luna is after all theyre cousin.

[Mariah]

Well theyre friendswith the Avengers in their own right.

And connected to the X-Men (possibly) by Nocturne and the fact theyre mutants....

And Luna is after all theyre cousin.
I wonder if Luna will "blossom" w/ powers, and become a Young Avenger. How old is she, anyway?

[Zombienorthstar]

I wonder if Luna will "blossom" w/ powers, and become a Young Avenger. How old is she, anyway?


Dunno...Franklin Richards is eight...is she older or younger than Franklin?

[Mariah]

Dunno...Franklin Richards is eight...is she older or younger than Franklin?
Younger. I thought Frank was a little older than that.

[XPac]

Younger. I thought Frank was a little older than that.

True... though I thought Franklin was older than Wanda's kids too and now look at them.

I think Frankly has an additional mutant ability to not age.

[chickrockguitar]

Anyone know the date the new "season" is suppsed to start?

I read in an interview with Heinberg, that as he's doing Tv as well as comics, it's still going to be bi-monthly. Damnit!

[Zombienorthstar]

Younger. I thought Frank was a little older than that.


Well the FF have only been together 13 years...Franklin recently had eighth birtday in Marvel Knights:4.

[TransformersFan]

*a little early, I know*

Re-reading the second YA arc last night (Family Matters) there was mention of the team searching for the Scarlet Witch. It was discovered that the two children she thought she had, the ones stolen by Mephisto and then lost are actually Speed and Wiccan.

I'd personally love to see this idea play out. The impact of this young team finding the Scarlet Witch and re-uniting a mother with her children could potentially reverberate throughtout the MU. Perhaps Scarlet Witch will regain her sanity. Maybe finnaly she can confront the damage she has caused through Dissassembled and HoM. The potential for drama is great. And to see YA at the centre could really help them reach their potential.

Again this is all specualtion.

What story ideas or rumours have your heard or would like to see come true.

[Kid Bushido]

I really wish that Clint becomes their mentor. So much drama: Kate now using his old codename, the twins' being the sons of Wanda, Cassie asking why Clint came back and not her father. Clint has experience at being a leader and a writer like Heinberg can handle tons of drama.

[Stagier]

wasn't Jessie Jones supposed to be their mentor?

i would actually like the twins to stay away from whacky wanda for a while, won't that just cause another breakdown?
the final part to the trilogy.

[MakeMineMarvel]

I think that the Billy & Tommy situation is very interesting and I am hoping that a good story will tell us the truth. Totally psyched for this to start back up again. I like the idea of Hawkeye (Clint) becoming their mentor, has a lot of potential for good stories.

[Young Avenger]

Heinberg was in a chat in Avengers Forever where he discussed his plans for YA Season 2. He's going to introduce a Young Masters of Evil and there's going to be a love triangle between Stature, Vision and Kang. That should be interesting.

[protege]

When's it starting up again?

[MakeMineMarvel]

Heinberg was in a chat in Avengers Forever where he discussed his plans for YA Season 2. He's going to introduce a Young Masters of Evil and there's going to be a love triangle between Stature, Vision and Kang. That should be interesting.

A Young Masters of Evil? Sounds kind of corny in principal. If it is true than I hope it plays out better than it sounds. What's next though, Young X-Men or Spider-Man?

[Dark Soul # 7]

A Young Masters of Evil? Sounds kind of corny in principal. If it is true than I hope it plays out better than it sounds. What's next though, Young X-Men or Spider-Man?WWho here didn't think the concept of Young Avengers sounded corny, or at least cliche, until we saw the results?

I just hope that we don't have to see the horrible cliche of the team meeting their future selves for many many years.

[MakeMineMarvel]

WWho here didn't think the concept of Young Avengers sounded corny, or at least cliche, until we saw the results?

I just hope that we don't have to see the horrible cliche of the team meeting their future selves for many many years.

No I totally agree. When the YA were first mentioned everyone was like WTF?!?! But it panned out excellent. However I am just a bit concerned that it will all become a joke and it will be a simple plot device where all sorts of "young" versions are introduced.

[Arilou]

I want Billy, Tommy & Nocturne to get together for a cup o' tea or something :p

[Dark Soul # 7]

No I totally agree. When the YA were first mentioned everyone was like WTF?!?! But it panned out excellent. However I am just a bit concerned that it will all become a joke and it will be a simple plot device where all sorts of "young" versions are introduced.Ah, now I get what you mean.

Maybe they won't be called "Young Masters of Evil", it's abit long. Or if they are called that they'll just be mocked in the comic because they're obviously ripping of the YA's name.

[Wild Card13]

Didn't Patriot refer to Speed as a "Young Master of Evil" when he found out Speed was in prison?

[Young Avenger]

Didn't Patriot refer to Speed as a "Young Master of Evil" when he found out Speed was in prison?

Yea, he did.

[Stagier]

who were the original masters of evil? that might give us a clue.

edit: from wikipedia
Baron Heinrich Zemo (leader) (died in Avengers #15)
Black Knight (Nathan Garrett) (died in Tales of Suspense #72)
Enchantress (joined in Avengers #7; died in Thor volume two #80)
Executioner (joined in Avengers #7; died in Thor #362)
Melter (died in Avengers #263)
Radioactive Man

but considering there were so many members, heinberg might just draw his favorites, not from a specific period.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Baron Zemo I, Enchantress, Executioner (Skurge), Radioactive man, Black Knight and Melter were the first MoE tema if I'm not misstaken.

[1WEBHEAD]

Heinberg was in a chat in Avengers Forever where he discussed his plans for YA Season 2. He's going to introduce a Young Masters of Evil and there's going to be a love triangle between Stature, Vision and Kang. That should be interesting.

That sounds awesome.Cant Wait......Did he say anything about the Patroit/Hawkeye/Speed love triangle?

[Dark Soul # 7]

but considering there were so many members, heinberg might just draw his favorites, not from a specific period.I'd think I prefer that.

This makes me think about how many villains actually have personal lifes offscreen. One of the wrecking crew has a kid and guys like Electro, Sandman and Hydro-man have normal human girlfriends, not that they're being faithful or anything.
I find it kinda funny.

[Stagier]

oh yah that kid,
$5 says he's part of the team. forgot about him.
funny how the runaways could take down the entire wrecking crew, but 3 of the avengers couldn't take 2 of them. idiots.

[Young Avenger]

Does anyone think that Hulking will develop Comsic Awareness in the second season?

[Dark Soul # 7]

oh yah that kid,
$5 says he's part of the team. forgot about him.
funny how the runaways could take down the entire wrecking crew, but 3 of the avengers couldn't take 2 of them. idiots.And then the Young Avengers fights the Runaways to a stalemate. Must be something about them being teens.

[Quasar's Bands]

Let me get this right -

Wanda falls for Vision, who's brain is based on Simon
Simon falls for Wanda, Wanada is attracted to Simon, Vision breaks away
Simon and Wanda are together (I'm happy)
Wanada later decides she still loves the robot

Years pass:

Stature falls for Kang
Vision is created based on Kang's brain
Stature is GOING to fall for Vision
Kang is going to return
Now Stature holds a candle for both

Doesn't this seem a tad like history repeating itself?

[Keith_Martineau]

A Young Masters of Evil? Sounds kind of corny in principal. If it is true than I hope it plays out better than it sounds. What's next though, Young X-Men or Spider-Man?

Ahem.

Arana, and New X-Men.

[saintsaucey]

I really wish that Clint becomes their mentor. So much drama: Kate now using his old codename, the twins' being the sons of Wanda, Cassie asking why Clint came back and not her father. Clint has experience at being a leader and a writer like Heinberg can handle tons of drama.

hate to point this out but scott did come back during house of m. but he didn't stick around as far as we know. when luke calls jessica's apartment scott answered the phone.

[Bobster777]

I'm thinking Marvel Boy will be a continuing threat. What I'm really interested to see is what will be the status quo after CW. Will they be on the run, or will they register and become a legitimate team.

[Haunt]

hate to point this out but scott did come back during house of m. but he didn't stick around as far as we know. when luke calls jessica's apartment scott answered the phone.

i hate to point this out but Scott's ghost appeared in X-Statix Presents:Dead-Girl.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I have to ask this, am I the only one who thinks that Gravity could fit rather well on the Young Avengers team?

[Blackcat]

Ehmm, I only started readinfg YA since Civil War, but isn't Vision the same old Vision we all knew as an Avenger and former husband of Wanda?

Or is this another version or a total different Vision?

[Jmacq1]

Given events in recent comics:

(WARNING: Civil War #4 Spoilers below!)

Stature leaves the Anti-Reg side in Civil War #4....so now the question becomes how she's going to end up back on the team before all is said and done....or -if- she's going to be on the team (plans change, after all).

[Young Avenger]

Given events in recent comics:

(WARNING: Civil War #4 Spoilers below!)

Stature leaves the Anti-Reg side in Civil War #4....so now the question becomes how she's going to end up back on the team before all is said and done....or -if- she's going to be on the team (plans change, after all).

Remember, Wiccan was abandon at the site and was arrested and taken to the Negative Zone. So are they going to break him out and his relationship the team could be stained.

[Young Avenger]

Given events in recent comics:

(WARNING: Civil War #4 Spoilers below!)

Stature leaves the Anti-Reg side in Civil War #4....so now the question becomes how she's going to end up back on the team before all is said and done....or -if- she's going to be on the team (plans change, after all).

Remember, Wiccan was abandon at the site and was arrested and taken to the Negative Zone. So are they going to break him out and his relationship the team could be stained.

[lament]

Given events in recent comics:

(WARNING: Civil War #4 Spoilers below!)

Stature leaves the Anti-Reg side in Civil War #4....so now the question becomes how she's going to end up back on the team before all is said and done....or -if- she's going to be on the team (plans change, after all).

I honestly don't think the events of Civil War will have much bearing on the actual YA book. I'm pretty sure when the new season rolls around, Cassie and Billy will be on the team like nothing ever happened.

[[WB]BlackWolf]

We'll have to see as far as the results of CW4 are concerned what the YA composition will be.

You honestly can't expect Stature at the age of 14 to be ready to die for registration after seeing Goliath buy it. She may change her mind before Registration is over, if news of what the true purpose of 42 is really about comes out later on, she might move to break Wiccan out or something. Guess we'll see before it's over.

[TransformersFan]

Considering what has happened in CW 4, where do the events of CW: Ya and Runaways fall into?

[[WB]BlackWolf]

Considering the whole incident seems to be contained within a week, it probably occurs between Issues 2 and 3, just after Registration fell in but before the "big events" of 3 and 4.

[CMBMOOL]

It not over yet because according to Tom Brevoort :


Dear Tom,



Can you explain why Stature left? Isn't it a bit out of charcater since her father is her example of how she wants to fill her hero-role?


She says why she's leaving pretty clearly in CIVIL WAR #4--because she became a hero to help people, not to fight othe heroes or the authorities.

Tom B


Tom,



I am one of those people who can't understand why Stature quitted Cap's resistance, I mean I thought she wanted to be a heroine in the memory of her father but now that she quit the resistance is that the end of Stature's story or will we ever see her again ?

Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from you soon.





Answered above. And she's not done--we'll see her again in CIVIL WAR #5.




Tom B


So it isn't over yet for Cassie Lang, hopefully. :(

[PretenderNX01]

I can't imagine writer would be able to permantaly alter one of the Young Avengers without Heinburg's approval. So whatever goes on with Cassie in Civil War shouldn't affect her realtionship to the team.

[alextron]

Personally, I'm done with the YOung Avengers, New Avengers and virtually everything associated with 'Civil War' Too bad,it was neat while lasted.

[mrc1214]

Personally, I'm done with the YOung Avengers, New Avengers and virtually everything associated with 'Civil War' Too bad,it was neat while lasted.

Are you going to pick Young Avengers up after?? I doubt Civil War will have an affect on YA. Who knows if they even had Heinbergs approval to make Stature do that. The writing on Civil War has been horrible.

[Violently Apathetic]

I have to ask this, am I the only one who thinks that Gravity could fit rather well on the Young Avengers team?

He's a little old, I think. He's what, 18 maybe? While it's not a huge difference I can't see an 18 year old wanting to hang around with a bunch of 14-16 year olds, even for crime fighting purposes. Though I'd still love him to get an appearence. Actually, I'd love to see The Hood pop up in Young Avengers too, since I THINK Marvel intends to pull him more into main Universe.

That or I'd just like to see a Hood/Gravity team up.

As for the Young Masters of Evil...well, Electro has a teenage daughter in Spider-Girl, so maybe if you tweeked that timeline/AU thing a bit it could work....

[Optimus]

I'm hoping that Marvel comes out with a hardcover that collects both trades like they've done with so many other series. I'm not paying $22 for a hardcover that collects 6 issues.

[The New Fate]

Are the Young Avengers getting back into it w/ #13 or datrting w/ 2nd " chapter w/ #1? Any idea on a time line. I am following YA/ Runnaways and that is about to end. I'm going to pick up a few Runnaways after that. But now reading more into it I really want to start w/ YA #1 and start it as a pull.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

Are the Young Avengers getting back into it w/ #13 or datrting w/ 2nd " chapter w/ #1? Any idea on a time line. I am following YA/ Runnaways and that is about to end. I'm going to pick up a few Runnaways after that. But now reading more into it I really want to start w/ YA #1 and start it as a pull.

I think it's around March 2007. And I think Joe Q. or someone said it was most likely coming back w/ a New number 1.

[CaptainCanada]

Yes, they've said that they will relaunch with a new #1 like they did with Runaways and She-Hulk.

So it isn't over yet for Cassie Lang, hopefully. :(
As someone else said above, Marvel's editors would hash out the use of specific characters with the people who run their titles if they were planning a big change. That's not to say they wouldn't compell a change if they wanted to (see: Thunderbolts), but Marvel has gone to pretty extraordinary lengths to keep Heinberg on this title (this hiatus, rather than finding someone else to do it), so I doubt they'd want to force any major lineup change on him.

[Mitchel]

Heinberg was in a chat in Avengers Forever where he discussed his plans for YA Season 2. He's going to introduce a Young Masters of Evil and there's going to be a love triangle between Stature, Vision and Kang. That should be interesting.

Did he mention anything about Wonder Man? He is supposed to have a role in Young Avengers 2.

[hawkeye comeback]

i think all the ya will be registered cause they will realise they are to young to fight in a war (yet old enough to fight crime) and will all register

btw i am a anti regestrition person but teenages shouldnt fight in conditions like that.

[Gnarl]

I'd like to see Speed and Wiccan interact a bit more with their family. Primarily Magneto, but the rest too. Nocturne, Pietro, Luna, Vision, Crystal, even Lorna if they must make her Magnetos daughter.

And at present, there seems to be such a great inro for it. Although I don't see Magneto allowed into Civil War after House of M.

But if someone told him, "hey your grandkids are not dead, but the pro-reg side put your grandson into a concentration camp", he'd go off like the Tasmanian Devil from the Looney Tunes cartoons.

One of the few people with the powers and skills to reboot Vision, too. And he'd see Viz as a dependable ally in this matter.

[Pheonix-NoRelation]

I'd like to see Speed and Wiccan interact a bit more with their family. Primarily Magneto, but the rest too. Nocturne, Pietro, Luna, Vision, Crystal, even Lorna if they must make her Magnetos daughter.

And at present, there seems to be such a great inro for it. Although I don't see Magneto allowed into Civil War after House of M.

But if someone told him, "hey your grandkids are not dead, but the pro-reg side put your grandson into a concentration camp", he'd go off like the Tasmanian Devil from the Looney Tunes cartoons.

One of the few people with the powers and skills to reboot Vision, too. And he'd see Viz as a dependable ally in this matter.
I say they just make a comic called Magneto & Family. You get Young Vision to remature and fall back in love w/ Wanda. The two of them adopt Billy & Tommy (and Hulkling). They all live in a rebuilt Genosha w/ Lorna and all the rest of Magneto's cross-dimensional offspring.

Hey, I'd buy it. :D

[Taskmaster]

I'd like to see Speed and Wiccan interact a bit more with their family. Primarily Magneto, but the rest too. Nocturne, Pietro, Luna, Vision, Crystal, even Lorna if they must make her Magnetos daughter.

And at present, there seems to be such a great inro for it. Although I don't see Magneto allowed into Civil War after House of M.

But if someone told him, "hey your grandkids are not dead, but the pro-reg side put your grandson into a concentration camp", he'd go off like the Tasmanian Devil from the Looney Tunes cartoons.

One of the few people with the powers and skills to reboot Vision, too. And he'd see Viz as a dependable ally in this matter.


Wow, talk about a way to end this whole Civil War, giving Magneto that knowledge would not only put him on Cap's side, but would cause him to "Disassemble" Iron Man and the Pro-Reg side permanently

[Psyco panda]

Speaking of Magneto, wouldn't it be cool if in the future because of the civil war he extended his Mutant supremacy ideals to superhuman supremacy? It would be some interesting fallout to this storyline.

[Lanowar]

Has the Scarlet Witch ever met Nocturne? I know of course Nightcrawler it was implied by Nightcrawler as a joke (snowball effect) that he'll phone the Scarlet Witch and tell her about Nocturne.

How old is Nocturne though? I thought she was like Dazzler's age.

I am intrested in this Young Masters Of Evil though perhaps led by Kristoff Von Doom or even him allying with Kang.

[mattbib]

Has the Scarlet Witch ever met Nocturne?No
How old is Nocturne though? I thought she was like Dazzler's age.Nocturne's still a teenager. Dazzler's closer to thirty.
I am intrested in this Young Masters Of Evil though perhaps led by Kristoff Von Doom or even him allying with Kang.IMO it would be quite out of character for Kristoff to join, much less lead, a Masters of Evil. Unless something's adversely affected him since his time with the FF.

[Atom_basher]

i always got the impression Nocturne is 20ish

[Xanrn]

Why in the name of hell would have everyone except Tommy and Billy were Real and Wanda's Kids children.

Based solely on what Billy thinks?

They should be the age they were in House of M, not teenagers, I mean weren't both Franklin and his sister born before Wanda's Twins. Heck how old is the Scarlet Witch anyway? Late 20's early 30s?

Lets break it down.

Billy thinks, they are the souls off Wanda's children, somehow cast back in time when they children were uncreated. But how did they get back in time? Did they replace the real Billy Kaplan and Thomas Shepard in the womb? Or just their soulss? Or were the Kaplans and Shepards never going to have kids? Wanda most have been involved somewhere. Maybe she was trying to hide them...

My theory is Wanda retconned them in, similar to Dawn/Conner from Buffy/Angel. That the moment in the park from the YA Special, was the first time Billy was actually in the world and all the past up till that point is faked. Or the rather more sinister twist, Wanda took the soul from the real Kaplan and replaced it with her Willliam.

Or you could blend the two and Wanda retcons them in from birth.

This to my mind is not some Cable/Rachel/Nocturne from the Future(well Back from)/Alternate Timeline/Alternate Universe.

This is Wanda screwing with reality...

It will be interesting to see what path they go with the inevitable Genetic Test and wether Tommy every had a meeting with the SW like Billy did.

Another Edit; Wasn't Nocturn pregnant at some time and she lost the baby? I always assume she is early 20's or so.

[Atom_basher]

Its magic......anything is possible. so the ages of magical creations being changed is nothing

[gloveman]

I was re-reading the first arc to get my fix and in Issue 3- when Iron Lad's showing Cap the Avengers failsafe program there are a couple of names on the list other than the current team- should i be recognising those names?

[kal_el21]

Excuse for me not reading the first four pages of this thread. But here's what I think:

1. Going by Alan Heinberg's schedule for WW, we'll see an issue about every eight months. Thank's Marvel!

2. I would like to see the Cho boy from the backup Hulk story join the team.

3. Hawkeye mentor the team. Isn't he supposed to be coming back?

4. Scarlett Witch become an adversary for the team. Nothing like seeing two boys havta battle their mother!

[mattbib]

I was re-reading the first arc to get my fix and in Issue 3- when Iron Lad's showing Cap the Avengers failsafe program there are a couple of names on the list other than the current team- should i be recognising those names?How about posting the names.

[gloveman]

Urm...the names are
Mathew Bronleewy
Casey Todd
Richard Chung
Anissa Dorsey
Perry Moore
Robin Parish

Ring any bells?

[mattbib]

Urm...the names are
Mathew Bronleewy
Casey Todd
Richard Chung
Anissa Dorsey
Perry Moore
Robin Parish

Ring any bells?None that tie to the Avengers.

Though Todd is the Blazing Skull's last name. Maybe he had a kid? But that wouldn't make any sense.

[[WB]BlackWolf]

I try not to think about the Reality-Altering stuff, it's like the Time Travel junk, don't think about it because you'll never work out an answer that makes sense. It's like when an X-Men fan gets a stroke trying to work out the Xorn/Magneto Retcon.

[JonBidinger]

Urm...the names are
Mathew Bronleewy
Casey Todd
Richard Chung
Anissa Dorsey
Perry Moore
Robin Parish

Ring any bells?

None that tie to the Avengers.

True, but would these have rung any bells a few years ago?:
Billy Kaplan
Thomas Shepherd
Teddy Altman
Eli Bradley (cept for maybe Patriot, due to the Truth mini)

[Rich L]

He's a little old, I think. He's what, 18 maybe? While it's not a huge difference I can't see an 18 year old wanting to hang around with a bunch of 14-16 year olds, even for crime fighting purposes. Though I'd still love him to get an appearence. Actually, I'd love to see The Hood pop up in Young Avengers too, since I THINK Marvel intends to pull him more into main Universe.

That or I'd just like to see a Hood/Gravity team up.


Hood and Gravity are both appearing in the Beyond mini at the moment - really good fun read.

[Haunt]

True, but would these have rung any bells a few years ago?:
Billy Kaplan
Thomas Shepherd
Teddy Altman
Eli Bradley (cept for maybe Patriot, due to the Truth mini)

if we knew that Billy and Tommy were related, it would have.

[Atom_basher]

if we knew that Billy and Tommy were related, it would have.


I think youre slightly reaching

[Kevinroc]

Urm...the names are
Mathew Bronleewy
Casey Todd
Richard Chung
Anissa Dorsey
Perry Moore
Robin Parish

Ring any bells?

I think some of those are real people that Heinberg put into the script. At least that's what I heard.

Casey Todd is the name of an author.

http://www.gamebooks.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi?Type=Author&Text=Casey+Todd&Header=Books+by+Casey+Todd

[davros42]

None that tie to the Avengers.

Though Todd is the Blazing Skull's last name. Maybe he had a kid? But that wouldn't make any sense.

Grandkid at this point. Could also be the grandkid of a brother. /idle speculation

[Arilou]

Nocturne's still a teenager. Dazzler's closer to thirty.

I don't think Nocturne is a teenager (well, unless Claremont de-aged her) I'd put her in her early twenties.

In Exiles #42 she mentions (in her flashback) that "I was only seventeen at the time...." Now, Exiling does put things in a bit of a screwy position, but they did spent several months in various places (most notably Skrullworld) she had time to become pregnant and actually notice it, too.

[Atom_basher]

id put Nocturne at around 20

[kal_el21]

I saw over in the DC forums that Heinberg is off of WW after ish 5. I do not know the reasons but I'm sure its constant delays have something to do with this. What could this mean for Young Avengers v2? I doubt that it means we can look for it sooner than expected. I really hate this format and wish that Marvel would just make it a REGULAR MONTHLY title!

[We R. Venom]

I saw over in the DC forums that Heinberg is off of WW after ish 5. I do not know the reasons but I'm sure its constant delays have something to do with this. What could this mean for Young Avengers v2? I doubt that it means we can look for it sooner than expected. I really hate this format and wish that Marvel would just make it a REGULAR MONTHLY title!

Probably not. Joe Q is sayin there no set time frame seeing as how Cheung is on Illuminati and Heinberg is busy with his TV crap.

[stuccoyoutuBE]

Young Avengers should be written by someone else then, I don't suscribe to any of that "YA is Heinberg;s baby" crap.
There's some excellent writers at Marvel that could breathe new life into the book, Dan Slott, Zeb Wells, Seam McKeever come to mind.

If Heinberg is so busy with Grey's Anatomy or whatever the show's name is, let him go and give the book to someone who can deliver.

I vote for Slott.

[CaptainCanada]

I saw over in the DC forums that Heinberg is off of WW after ish 5. I do not know the reasons but I'm sure its constant delays have something to do with this.
He was never committed to do more than five issues (I honestly don't know why DC would hire someone to just do five, but whatever).

[1WEBHEAD]

Young Avengers should be written by someone else then, I don't suscribe to any of that "YA is Heinberg;s baby" crap.
There's some excellent writers at Marvel that could breathe new life into the book, Dan Slott, Zeb Wells, Seam McKeever come to mind.

If Heinberg is so busy with Grey's Anatomy or whatever the show's name is, let him go and give the book to someone who can deliver.

I vote for Slott.

Meh, after Zeb's take on the Young Avengers in his YA/Runaways Civil War tie-in, I'd hope he wont take over. Sean Mckeever seems like a good choice. It could be his big break. I dont read Slott books. Its not that I dont like him its just I never saw the appeal of She Hulk. I've been meaning to pick up the Thing's mini series though.:o

Though if I had to choose who had to take over the Young Avengers, it would be Kirkman since his Irredeemable Antman and his Marvel Team Up are great fun reads.

:)

[Will.S]

Meh, after Zeb's take on the Young Avengers in his YA/Runaways Civil War tie-in, I'd hope he wont take over. Sean Mckeever seems like a good choice. It could be his big break. I dont read Slott books. Its not that I dont like him its just I never saw the appeal of She Hulk. I've been meaning to pick up the Thing's mini series though.:o
While I liked Zeb's take on the YA/Runaways (although not as much as Heinburg/Vaughan) Sean McKeever is actually the perfect choice.

He excels at teen characters such as with Gravity and the Inhumans kids and he can do serious good stuff too with Mystique. When he took over Mystique the transition was almost seamless although I did like Vaughan's earlier stuff on the title a bit more conceptually.