The Wandas-wish Twins. . .

[Drakenred]

I just re-read the Latest Issue and I now realise what was bugging me about it

Their powers

one has Wandas powers. . .
. . .one has The powers of Wandas Brother

Which suddenly kind of explains the expressions on everyones faces when Wiccan is talking about Their powers.

Up untill then I was thinking that Vision was about to say either Me or Me(phisto) before he got his circiuits scrambled.

Now I realise that Wiccan did not want to finish the train of thought he almost had. . .

YA is going to get weird no mater what they do!

[Mariah]

I just re-read the Latest Issue and I now realise what was bugging me about it

Their powers

one has Wandas powers. . .
. . .one has The powers of Wandas Brother

Which suddenly kind of explains the expressions on everyones faces when Wiccan is talking about Their powers.

Up untill then I was thinking that Vision was about to say either Me or Me(phisto) before he got his circiuits scrambled.

Now I realise that Wiccan did not want to finish the train of thought he almost had. . .

YA is going to get weird no mater what they do!
I so totally agree. But I'm loving it. loving it way more than New Avengers for sure, although, it's taken a swing for the better.

[dingo]

I just re-read the Latest Issue and I now realise what was bugging me about it

Their powers

one has Wandas powers. . .
. . .one has The powers of Wandas Brother

Which suddenly kind of explains the expressions on everyones faces when Wiccan is talking about Their powers.

Up untill then I was thinking that Vision was about to say either Me or Me(phisto) before he got his circiuits scrambled.

Now I realise that Wiccan did not want to finish the train of thought he almost had. . .

YA is going to get weird no mater what they do!

Seeing as the real world does not have mutant powers for which we can de-bunk your sordid/ultimate theory, we must look at real genetics.

"Speed power genes" would have been passed on to Pietro from Magneto his mother and also on to Wanda from Magneto but not her mother.

Then Wanda is a "speed power genes" carrier. There is no requirement for incest.

[Drakenred]

Im sorry but when I realised exactly what was being implied their I flashed on Magi having another

PEITRO
Tirade again. . . .

That and suddenly Wandas "Kids" are going to be a whole nother problem for everyone!

[Drakenred]

Seeing as the real world does not have mutant powers for which we can de-bunk your sordid/ultimate theory, we must look at real genetics.

"Speed power genes" would have been passed on to Pietro from Magneto his mother and also on to Wanda from Magneto but not her mother.

Then Wanda is a "speed power genes" carrier. There is no requirement for incest.

not neccisarily, the Genes may have come from his (Pietros) mother, or their may actualy be something to the whole "your powers are what you want them to be" kind of thing that has been hinted in several places, but in this case, Wanda could have wanted her kids to be just like her brother and her and that may have also imprinted itself on them.

Granted part of it is Kates whole, "What are you saying?" kind of expression.

[dingo]

not neccisarily, the Genes may have come from his (Pietros) mother, or their may actualy be something to the whole "your powers are what you want them to be" kind of thing that has been hinted in several places, but in this case, Wanda could have wanted her kids to be just like her brother and her and that may have also imprinted itself on them.

Granted part of it is Kates whole, "What are you saying?" kind of expression.

In any event, there is no requirement for incest.

[Drakenred]

In any event, there is no requirement for incest.No, But overall its a very interesting sceen when you realise that that though was aparently flashing through at least 2 peoples minds at that time.

[Drakenred]

and given the nature of Wandas powers, its entirely posible that apart from the male cromosome, she was the sole "genetic" donor for the kids

[Ontir]

Unless Vision has synthetic sperm, capable of reproducing with a human, she'd kind of HAVE to be!

[Zombienorthstar]

Yeah i think its just Magento is a carrier...otherwise how do you explain the fact the Wanda and Pietro have no control of magnetic fields while their half sister Polaris does...

[Sandy Hausler]

and given the nature of Wandas powers, its entirely posible that apart from the male cromosome, she was the sole "genetic" donor for the kids

Well, in that Vision is an android, he couldn't be a "genetic" donor.

Sandy Hausler

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Well, in that Vision is an android, he couldn't be a "genetic" donor.

Sandy Hausler

But improbability/impossibility powers, plus magic is the creation of these kids, not human reproduction. They had a magical creation, so who is to say Vision is magically the producer of genetic material. Perhaps by default, that means they had Simon Willam's DNA... Who knows?

[Drakenred]

Yeah i think its just Magento is a carrier...otherwise how do you explain the fact the Wanda and Pietro have no control of magnetic fields while their half sister Polaris does...

Well if the old "Reed Richards" Theory that mutations manifest in a subconcious mannor when the X-Gene kicks is valid, then its posible that with Magneto not being arround when the Magneto kids manifested their abilites is cause their mutation to take a slighly diferent route. Wanda on the other hand probably subconciously "locked in" the powers that the kids have

[Drakenred]

Incidentaly that means that they should be verrrrry carefull with introducing thoes kids to Wanda. . . . . .

[Drakenred]

I just cant wait to see Dr Stranges Expresion!

[Sandy Hausler]

But improbability/impossibility powers, plus magic is the creation of these kids, not human reproduction. They had a magical creation, so who is to say Vision is magically the producer of genetic material. Perhaps by default, that means they had Simon Willam's DNA... Who knows?

Who knows indeed. But in that the Vision (as a machine) does not have DNA, it could not be incorporated in the twins. At best, there could only be an approximation created by magic.

Sandy Hausler

[RonnieThunderbolts]

Who knows indeed. But in that the Vision (as a machine) does not have DNA, it could not be incorporated in the twins. At best, there could only be an approximation created by magic.

Sandy Hausler

Exactly. And one notion I had to that effect, because of their spiritual connection, perhaps that makes them related to the Williams family. But its just a notion.

[Sandy Hausler]

But improbability/impossibility powers, plus magic is the creation of these kids, not human reproduction. They had a magical creation, so who is to say Vision is magically the producer of genetic material. Perhaps by default, that means they had Simon Willam's DNA... Who knows?

I hear what you are saying, but since Vision doesn't have DNA, then whatever Wanda's magic did, it didn't put his non-existent DNA into the twins. It might create an approximation of what his DNA might be like if he had any. That's all I'm saying.

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

Incidentaly that means that they should be verrrrry carefull with introducing thoes kids to Wanda. . . . . .

Do we even know where Wanda is or if she's alive?

Sandy Hausler

[Sandy Hausler]

Exactly. And one notion I had to that effect, because of their spiritual connection, perhaps that makes them related to the Williams family. But its just a notion.

That's certainly reasonable.

Sandy Hausler

[Drakenred]

Do we even know where Wanda is or if she's alive?

Sandy HauslerShe was last seen somewhere that kind of resembles the base of Mt. Wundagore of Transia, the prison of the Elder God Chthon.

[Kirk G]

Do we even know where Wanda is or if she's alive?

Sandy Hausler
Wait. I thought we saw Wanda in an unamed Middle or Eastern European village shopping in an open air marketplace at the end of House of M...

Has there been another sighting?

There was NO indication if she had powers, if she was sane, or if she knew what she had done. More of a "fairytale book ending"... livingly happily ever after.

[Drakenred]

no thats the same sighting, if you look at the people around you realise why some of us think its around Mt. Wundagore of Transia.

[Mitchel]

I hear what you are saying, but since Vision doesn't have DNA, then whatever Wanda's magic did, it didn't put his non-existent DNA into the twins. It might create an approximation of what his DNA might be like if he had any. That's all I'm saying.

Sandy Hausler


This redefined Wanda is so powerful and her powers have been doing so much stuff "unconsciously" that the notion of her stealing sperm from Simon Williams doesn't seems so far off. What if that is the way the twins were created and the real father is Wonder Man?

[Drakenred]

I dont think that people made of pure ionic energy have sperm either.

[RonnieThunderbolts]

This redefined Wanda is so powerful and her powers have been doing so much stuff "unconsciously" that the notion of her stealing sperm from Simon Williams doesn't seems so far off. What if that is the way the twins were created and the real father is Wonder Man?

Eh. That would be lame... see, if the magical, genetic approximation were the SAME as Simon's, I'd like it, but it it was magically stealing it, thats not improbability, thats magical, Zeus type rape, in a way. And, until it is stated otherwise, and I admit there was a hint to the contrary, Vision IS their real dad. I mean, Hank Pym was around the West Coast complex, Dr. Strange delivered them. They were magically created beings, and the idea that Strange'd be fooled by an illusion, or fake beings is ludicrous. Given that they apparently DID survive, their temporary, or fake nature, is up for debate, which only seems right at this point. I'm thinking, knowing what we know about mutant DNA, and their magical creation, I think their powers come from Wanda's magics, not genetic tendency, even if they are indeed mutants, because they weren't created genetically, but merely magically.

[Bobster777]

Eh. That would be lame... see, if the magical, genetic approximation were the SAME as Simon's, I'd like it, but it it was magically stealing it, thats not improbability, thats magical, Zeus type rape, in a way. And, until it is stated otherwise, and I admit there was a hint to the contrary, Vision IS their real dad. I mean, Hank Pym was around the West Coast complex, Dr. Strange delivered them. They were magically created beings, and the idea that Strange'd be fooled by an illusion, or fake beings is ludicrous. Given that they apparently DID survive, their temporary, or fake nature, is up for debate, which only seems right at this point. I'm thinking, knowing what we know about mutant DNA, and their magical creation, I think their powers come from Wanda's magics, not genetic tendency, even if they are indeed mutants, because they weren't created genetically, but merely magically.

If I am not mistaken, from what I have read on YA, the boys were born. So, Wanda's Hex powers may have just raised the probability that the boys would be reborn as mutants. So many possibilities.

[venuscameback]

Do we even know where Wanda is or if she's alive?

Sandy Hausler

All we know is Marvel has no plans for her (or Jean Grey's) return. Joey Q said so in the interview linked in my sig (shameless plug) which is hot off the press

but I'm sure they would have said that even a few weeks before Colossus' resurrection in Astonishing, in order to keep the surprise under wraps

[Mitchel]

I dont think that people made of pure ionic energy have sperm either.

No, Simon is not made of energy. His cells or molecules are sufussed with ionic energy. To quote Kurt Busiek:

KURT BUSIEK> Every now and then he's been described as made of energy, but this is incorrect -- suffused with energy is a better description. But even then, he's still got all the same cells he'd have if he were a normal human -- blood cells, muscle tissue, hair, lungs, etc. -- but each of the cells that makes up those things is all kachoonga with energy. They are still cells, however, and make up the usual bodily components.

And from another poster:

As far as the "made of energy" thing goes, I think people are too literal one way or the other. Being an energy being doesn't have to mean he is like Photon/Captain Marvel's light form, or that he is a shell filled with energy that would escape if the shell is broken. When you get right down to it, every person on the planet is made of energy. If I had to explain what Wonder Man is, it would go like this: Yes, he has organs and everything a person should have. And they're all made of tissue, which is made of cells, which are made of molecules, which are made of atoms. The difference is on the atomic level. Where everything else in the universe has a nucleus surrounded by a field of electrons, Wonder Man's electrons have been completely replaced by whatever "ionic energy" is. This is assuming that when they say "ionic energy" they aren't just talking about ionized atoms, but rather one of those comic book super-energy forms. When he quasi-died for the first time, this is what was happening. The ionic energy that had previously been simply embedded in his cells began actually recreating his atomic structure, replacing the electrons in every atom of his body. So he would indeed be a being composed of ionic energy, but that doesn't mean his ion-based atoms don't form molecules, tissues, and so on up to complex organs just like any other person.

[Mitchel]

Here is a thought. Vision & Scarlet Witch had two limited series. The first one had Vision take on a blood transfusion from Wonder Man. I have never liked the idea of Wanda creating the twins from her magic. Now, with Vision having blood from Wonder Man in his system, couldn't Wanda have used that blood to somehow create the zygotes necessary to impregnate herself. In a way the twins would be really Wonder Man & the Scarlet Witch via Vision.

[ducklord]

I just cant wait to see Dr Stranges Expresion!

I imagine him doing that little clap-wipe gesture that blackjack dealers do at the end of their shifts and saying "That's it. I'm through. Y'all are on your own on this one. I mean, I went along with the whole 'there's no such thing as Chaos Magic' thing, 'cause it was a big crossover, and I thought I'd get a new book out of it, but this? This is nuts. And I've been to the Realm of Madness, so believe me, I know from nuts."

Which, you have to admit, would be a pretty impressive little rant to squeeze into a one-second hand gesture,
Mike.

[Kirk G]

You GO, Ducklord....!!!

[kcekada]

Who knows indeed. But in that the Vision (as a machine) does not have DNA, it could not be incorporated in the twins. At best, there could only be an approximation created by magic.

Sandy Hausler

And that would make the kids less than human. Which is why they always disappeared when Wanda was busy elsewhere. They were a spell given form -- nothing more.

I'm not convinced Wiccan and Speed are Wanda's children. They may have been normal twins who somehow received the part of Wanda's DNA that was used in creating her twins. Perhaps, she unconsciously was looking for a set of twins who were a close approximation to her own boys -- and these two were as close as she could get.

That would explain the age difference -- and why they seem to have backgrounds that have nothing to the Avengers.

[Shellhead]

And that would make the kids less than human. Which is why they always disappeared when Wanda was busy elsewhere. They were a spell given form -- nothing more.

I'm not convinced Wiccan and Speed are Wanda's children. They may have been normal twins who somehow received the part of Wanda's DNA that was used in creating her twins. Perhaps, she unconsciously was looking for a set of twins who were a close approximation to her own boys -- and these two were as close as she could get.

That would explain the age difference -- and why they seem to have backgrounds that have nothing to the Avengers.

Good points. How old is Wanda these days, anyway? Maybe 20 years younger than Magneto, I assume, so then the question becomes, how old is Magneto?

[Deus ex Chris]

Here is a thought. Vision & Scarlet Witch had two limited series. The first one had Vision take on a blood transfusion from Wonder Man. I have never liked the idea of Wanda creating the twins from her magic. Now, with Vision having blood from Wonder Man in his system, couldn't Wanda have used that blood to somehow create the zygotes necessary to impregnate herself. In a way the twins would be really Wonder Man & the Scarlet Witch via Vision.
Eh, Wanda creating them whole cloth from magic is the best explanation. This crazy "magically" stealing sperm/genetic material idea amounts to the same; it's just more complicated.

[Jennifer de Vries]

Good points. How old is Wanda these days, anyway? Maybe 20 years younger than Magneto, I assume, so then the question becomes, how old is Magneto?

Magneto, given his history with WW II, is at least in his 60's and more than likely in his 70's or older. Somehow Wanda doesn't come across as someone in her 50's to me. :p

[Shellhead]

Magneto, given his history with WW II, is at least in his 60's and more than likely in his 70's or older. Somehow Wanda doesn't come across as someone in her 50's to me. :p

Okay, I guess what I'm really getting at is this: how old was Wanda if and when she gave birth to Wiccan and Speed?

[DDM]

Good points. How old is Wanda these days, anyway? Maybe 20 years younger than Magneto, I assume, so then the question becomes, how old is Magneto?

Magneto is about 80 years old in about a 40-50 year old body.

[Kirk G]

Is this before or after he was regressed back to being a baby multiple times?

[DDM]

Is this before or after he was regressed back to being a baby multiple times?


Magneto's young body comes from being re-aged back by Erik the Red in Uncanny X-Men #104. The last time he was turned into a baby is The Defenders #16 by the mutant, Alpha.

[Haunt]

Okay, I guess what I'm really getting at is this: how old was Wanda if and when she gave birth to Wiccan and Speed?


anywhere from 26-30 years old. she and Pietro are of similar age to the original X-Men; slightly older maybe. it's weird to think of Wanda as that old because she was generally treated as a young person when she first joined the Avengers. and i remember Carol Danvers making a comment to Wanda making her sound a good deal younger (than Carol). realistically, both twins would be well into their 40's since Magneto was an adult when he escaped the camps with Magda. maybe they were kept in suspended animation like Jessica Drew.

Magneto's young body comes from being re-aged back by Erik the Red in Uncanny X-Men #104. The last time he was turned into a baby is The Defenders #16 by the mutant, Alpha.

that's a bold-faced lie. everyone knows that the Master of Magnetism does pilates in his down time. the rest is clean living.

anyways, just how hard does everyone think Magneto would hit Wanda if they were to meet again? i'm imagining something Dragonball-Z-ish.