Avengers League: Dark Soul #7 v. The kentonator

[Jessica Drew]

Welcome to the next match of the Avengers League! If you haven't been following the league, it is a large scale series of battles where posters draft teams and pit their teams against that of other posters, and you vote to decide who wins. When voting, please consider the strategies the players have written, rather than just the team's roster.

Each match is taking place on an empty battlefield, 100 yards away, and each character (with few exceptions) depicted is in his/her most frequent incarnation (therefore, no Iron Spidey or Extremis Iron Man), and the characters have to act in character (meaning that the heroes cannot kill if they aren't normally wont to do so).

If you have any questions about the strategies, please feel free to post these questions here, and the players will answer. The match will last twenty-four hours. After that time period, the player with the largest number of votes wins.

!!! - For your vote to count, you must have a post count of no lower than fifty.

Dark Soul #7's team: Baron Zemo II, Atlas, Ms. Marvel, Shroud, Moses Magnum, Firebird, Drax

kentonator's team: Sersi, Hulk, Starhawk, Wolverine, Mach IV, Deathbird, Pip the Troll

[Jessica Drew]

Dark Soul #7's strategy:

Phase 1: Everything happens instantly and at the same time
The most dangerous member of the kentovengers is Sersi, so we'll have to deal with her at at once. This will be Zemo's job. At the start of the fight Zemo teleports himself and Sersi to the sky high above the other fighters, before she can use the telepathy thing on Hulk. There will immedeately he will litterally blindside Sersi with a flash of the brightest light he can produce. At the same time he'll quickly take his sword and phase the blade into her head. I'm not sure if this will kill Sersi or even knock her out but it will hurt like friggin hell. Should the result of this attack be anything other than death Zemo will create a portal that leads into Sersi's body and start to blast huge amounts of energy into her until her innards are entirely burnt to crisps.

Firebird, Drax and Ms.Marvel fly towards the kentovengers and aim for their assigned targets, while still staying alert for attacks from other opponents. Firebird uses her max speed to reach Starhawk as fast as possible. She will engage him in an aereal dogfight by blasting him with heatwaves and attempting to trap him in rings of fire while avoiding his blasts.

Ms.Marvel takes on Deathbird after firing a blast at Pip the troll, in-case he tries to catch Drax's attention. While Deathbird has more ferocity Carol is stronger, more durable and has ranged attacks in her energy blasts. So she will beat and blast Deathbird to the ground and once she's there Ms.Marvel will just keep blasting at her so that she doesn't get up into the air again.

Drax heads of for MACH-IV. Nothing that the former supervillain has can do more than annoy Drax who will grab MACH-IV, who likely is momentarily paralysed by fear of the hulking being charging at him, in a bear hug and squeeze until the armor can handle no more and breaks. If the man inside also breaks that's too bad but and affordable loss.

Atlas grows into his maximum size and targets the Hulk. If the jade giant is attacking anybody of my team's flyers Atlas will intercept him by grabbing Hulk and throwing him away. Now Atlas can probably not win a slugfest against Hulk, no matter what size Josten grows to. So there won't be a slugfest. Instead Atlas will use his superior size to his advantaged. Hulk is a complete moron so he will try to take Atlas head-on and jump at him. Atlas will respond to this by either grabbing a hold of Hulk and throwing him away to an empty spot of the battlefield or he will just knock Hulk down while he's in mid-jump. This little game will continue for as long as possible and distract Hulk from the rest of the battle. Should Hulk manage to get Atlas into a HTH fight the big guy is powerful enough to hold his own for some time.

Moses Magnum and Shroud closes in on Wolverine and Pip the Troll. M.M takes on the feral mutant and pimp-slaps him away. Shroud uses his darkforce to cover himself and Pip before he trashes the diminutive being. Shroud heads of to where Wolverine is and M.M to where Atlas is tossing Hulk around.

Phase 2: Directly after Phase 1
(Sersi, MACH-IV and Pip the Troll are knock out or dead, the rest are occupied)
Shroud finds Wolverine and if the mutant is still conscious after being pimp-slapped Shroud will bring out the darkforce to cover them both and giving him an advantaged of being able to "see" in the dark. The two battle. Shroud may not be able to take Logan down but this is just to keep the overexposed "loner" away from my team.

Zemo puts up a forcefield around himself and teleports himself to where Firebird and Starhawk are fighting. Safe in his forcefield Zemo increases Starhawk's gravity to the degree where he starts to fall to the ground. Together Firebird and Zemo will then blast the crap out of Starhawk who is now being crushed to the ground. If Firebird has been defeated by Starhawk Zemo will just crush and blast him all by himself.

Drax heads over to where Deathbird and Ms.Marvel are fighting. If Ms.Marvel has not defeated her opponent Drax will assist her and together they should take down Deathbird quite easily. If she has defeated Deathbird then they will both head over to the Hulk/Atlas fight.

Hopefully Atlas will have succeeded to avoid a slugfest with Hulk. If he hasn’t then Moses Magnum, and possibly Drax and Ms.Marvel will head over to give him assistance. First Drax punches Hulk into the sky and then Ms.Marvel smashes him down to the ground where everybody takes turns to pummel him for a few minutes and then they dogpile him. This is only done if Hulk has managed to engage Atlas in a slugfest. If he hasn’t then the team waits.

Final Phase: Directly after phase 2
(Starhawk and Deathbird are defeated, Wolverine and Hulk are occupied)
Now I'm not sure that I have enough firepower to deal with the Hulk, at least not without risking too much. So we're gonna do this in a fun way. Zemo teleports Hulk up into the air to standard airplane height and then opens up a portal to the Hulk's location. Through the portal Zemo will decrease Hulk's gravity so that he stays up there floating without gaining any oxygen. If Firebird is still with the team Zemo will open up another portal that leads to the Hulk's lungs. Firebird will pour on the fire through that portal and thus eliminating any amount of oxygen that Hulk has in his lungs, if she isn't there the process will just be slower. Eventually Hulk will run out of air and even the earth's mightiest mortal needs to breathe. Usually when Hulk falls into unconsciousness he turns into Banner and this will be no exception. With the harmless Banner in Hulk's place Zemo teleports him to the ground.

The rest of the team hurry over to where Shroud is fighting Wolverine. Once they're there Shroud will pull back his darkness and the team will just beat the living crap out of Wolvie and bash him into the ground until he's "sleeping".

[Jessica Drew]

The kentonator's strategy:

Round 1
Assuming Zemo is going to start teleporting around Starhawk uses his precognition to yell out to his team mates who is going where from Zemo's teleportation, while doing this Starhawk also blasts Firebird quickly in the face. Now, no one charges yet. They just know where everyone has gone and how to react incase they need to go into defense while Sersi starts her attack. Sersi manipulates the gravity matters(like she did to manipulate her strength to k.o. Imorrtal hercules.) But this time she does it all around on the battle field except for an area around her team which is close together. Magnifying the gravity to 1000 times that of a normal gravity, bringing down, Baron, possibly Atlas if he hasn't grown, Shroud, and Moses. Hulk runs off, the added gravity is just pissing him off getting because he is just going slower to get to some people to smash, He sees Drax, he does not not like Drax being green Hulk goes for him. Mach IV aims his photon blast at Ms. Marvels face, focusing all of his power to stun/blind right on her. Wolverine, Starhawk, Pip, and Mach IV are all under Sersis area of normal gravity at the end of this round, Hulk is engaging Drax
(end of round 1: Firebird is knocked out from starhawks blast, Drax engaged with Hulk, Baron, Atlas, Shroud and moses are down cause of intense gravity, and Ms. Marvel is blinded temporarily by mach iv)

Round 2
Keeping her gravity up Her, and Wolverine start to race forwards, she only keeps the gravity pressing down in front of her leaving Starhawk , Mach IV and Pip behind in normal Gravity. Hulk is done pounding away on Drax leaving him beaten and useless, and turns to the rest of the people. Hulk lets out a massive thunderclap knocking out the already downed Shroud, Moses, Zemo and Atlas(if not grown)(also if you don't think he can knock them all out, here he is http://www.incrediblehulk.com/avengersthunderclap.jpg just after he knocked out everyone around him using thunderclap because they were trying to capture him) If any of the mentioned from hulks thunderclap is not knocked out Starhawk and Mach IV have stayed back to remedy this, Starhawk knows due to his precognition if there is someone still conscious and tells Mach IV to unload, they do to whom ever is lever up(if any)
(end of round 2: Firebird has been gone, Drax out and bloody, Shroud, Moses, Zemo and Atlas already weak from the intense gravity knocked out by Hulks thunderclap (or Mach IV and Starhawk's blasts)

Round 3
Sersi lets up to Normal gravity they only one left now is Ms. Marvel coming out of her blindness she is greeted by the Hulk, Sersi, and Wolverine who quickly finish her. Just to make sure everyone else is knocked out cold Pip goes around knocking them in the head.

Recap.
Short quick fight, this team should be demolished due to the fact that none of them will be able to survive Sersis intensified gravity around them, if they are teleported my team knows where his characters will go due to Starhawk, Hulk gets mad due to his slow movement being enraged and getting stronger as he goes to Drax and whoops him, also his thunderclap as shown before will take down more than most of his teammates, they have no defenses against that move. Then Ms. Marvel being blinded for a turn returns back only to be owned by Sersi, Wolvie and angry Hulk.

[unkiedev]

Good stuff! I think Zemo is going to get the drop here and kill Sersi. I think Mach IV is going to blind Ms. Marvel so that Deathbird can kill her... I need to keep reading and thinking here, but my early guess for winning is Dark Soul #7.

[unkiedev]

Yup, I gave it to Dark Soul #7. Kentovengers had a good plan IF Sersi wasn't taken out so quickly...plus Kentovengers relied on Atlas, shroud and a bunch of others to be smooshed by Sersi's gravity. That is a big assumption.

Good Match, boys.

[Taskmaster]

The quick defeat of Sersi was key to his fight and done before Kentonator's team got to Zemo (the biggest threat on the other team) good strats guys

[kentonator]

The reason I have starhawk telling them where zemo is going to be porting is so incase somthing like this happens is for defense, Zemo is not going to catch sersi off her gaurd and he goes down just like the rest.

[kentonator]

Yup, I gave it to Dark Soul #7. Kentovengers had a good plan IF Sersi wasn't taken out so quickly...plus Kentovengers relied on Atlas, shroud and a bunch of others to be smooshed by Sersi's gravity. That is a big assumption.

Good Match, boys.

plus even if atlas wasnt slowed down by the gravity he was still being delt with by mach and starhawk blasting away.

[kentonator]

another thing is we have people going all after one another, if the gravity thing doesnt work because sersi is occupied with baron and baron phasing his sword wont do anything. She took a phasing of Vision to the brain by just instantly adapting her particles around it, she will own Zemo, Baron then will get pimp slapped down by sersi who is going to go right back to the gravity, and by this time you still have hulk who beat down drax, and then thunderclapped all the others down also. More than just baron is gonna be needed to get sersi down.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Sersi will be taken by surprise because she is teleported as Starhawk starts to speak and Firebird is heading for him.
another thing is we have people going all after one another, if the gravity thing doesnt work because sersi is occupied with baron and baron phasing his sword wont do anything. She took a phasing of Vision to the brain by just instantly adapting her particles around it, she will own Zemo, Baron then will get pimp slapped down by sersi who is going to go right back to the gravity, and by this time you still have hulk who beat down drax, and then thunderclapped all the others down also. More than just baron is gonna be needed to get sersi down.It's not just the sword it's the blinding light too that distracts her before she gets fried from the inside.

EDIT: And Zemo can manipulate gravity just as well as Sersi, if not better.

[kentonator]

Sersi will be taken by surprise because she is teleported as Starhawk starts to speak and Firebird is heading for him.
It's not just the sword it's the blinding light too that distracts her before she gets fried from the inside.

EDIT: And Zemo can manipulate gravity just as well as Sersi, if not better.


Starhawk blasts down firebird while telling the team about barons teleportation he will not be occupied with that, and sersi will not be taken by surprise.

[Dark Soul # 7]

Starhawk blasts down firebird while telling the team about barons teleportation he will not be occupied with that, and sersi will not be taken by surprise.Actually she will since she's teleported at the same time as Starhawk starts to talk and then she's blinded and stabbed in the head and then she's fried from the inside.

[unkiedev]

The reason I have starhawk telling them where zemo is going to be porting is so incase somthing like this happens is for defense, Zemo is not going to catch sersi off her gaurd and he goes down just like the rest.
that doesn't fly, Kentonator. If you have Zemo Teleporting up to Sersi, and at the same time have some guy yelling at Sersi that "Zemo is going to teleport to you, be carefull!", which event do you think is going to happen first? If anything a warning is only going to confuse Sersi more, as Her attention will be focused elsewhere while Zemo pops up right next to her.

[unkiedev]

Starhawk blasts down firebird while telling the team about barons teleportation he will not be occupied with that, and sersi will not be taken by surprise.
So Starhawk has to scream out a warning over the roar of energy blasts? You have poor Starhawk running ragged doing three things at a time, here. You are saying Starhawk can:
1) Get a lock on Firebird and shoot them down while
2) Getting a concentrated glimps of the future AND
3) Yelling to everyone (Without making eye contact, as Starhawk is shooting Firebird) that Zemo is about to attack...

ALL before Zemo pops up directly next to Sersi? Doom scoffs!

[Dark Soul # 7]

So Starhawk has to scream out a warning over the roar of energy blasts? You have poor Starhawk running ragged doing three things at a time, here. You are saying Starhawk can:
1) Get a lock on Firebird and shoot them down while
2) Getting a concentrated glimps of the future AND
3) Yelling to everyone (Without making eye contact, as Starhawk is shooting Firebird) that Zemo is about to attack...

ALL before Zemo pops up directly next to Sersi? Doom scoffs!Exactly! It feels good to have DOOM on my side of the argument.

As it has been said Starhawk is focusing on three different things while Firebird only focuses on attacking him and avoiding his blasts. And Zemo teleports himself and Sersi at the same time. So Sersi will just be sucker-blinded and sucker-stabbed while she's listening after a warning that comes too late.

[unkiedev]

Exactly! It feels good to have DOOM on my side of the argument.

As it has been said Starhawk is focusing on three different things while Firebird only focuses on attacking him and avoiding his blasts. And Zemo teleports himself and Sersi at the same time. So Sersi will just be sucker-blinded and sucker-stabbed while she's listening after a warning that comes too late.
DOOM is on NO ONE'S side, save his own! :mad: He will, however, always ally hismelf with those who oppose faulty logic!

[unkiedev]

Crap, I accidentally double posted. IGNORE THIS!

[kentonator]

he doesnt need to focus, about the future because he already knows..

why wouldnt he be able to blast while telling people where zemo is porting?

Can a point gaurd not dribble the ball past the defense while calling a play?
Can a pilot not land a plane while communicating with the flight tower and co-pilot?

Starhawk would easily be able to communicate with his team while taking down a member of the oposing team just like the examples above, its their jobs its what they do.

[Zombienorthstar]

I feel that due to Starhawk telling sersi she would be grabbed by Zemo she'll be ready for him...which means that even if he teleports her into the sky she'll still have her martial arts skills to take him down before he can turn her into a kebab.

[kentonator]

woopsy double post

[unkiedev]

I feel that due to Starhawk telling sersi she would be grabbed by Zemo she'll be ready for him...which means that even if he teleports her into the sky she'll still have her martial arts skills to take him down before he can turn her into a kebab.
And that is why you are unfit to have DOOM as your avatar.

There is a strange Meta thing going on here. Kentonator is saying that Starhawks powers to see the future means that Starhawk can Stop one character while warning another character of an instant attack. IF Kentonator has said "Starhawk will know where Zemo is going to pop up and will blast that very spot, taking Zemo by suprise and out of the fight," I wouldn't have a problem. THAT wouldn've made sense. Kentonator spread Starhawk too thin: If Zemo was Starhawk's top priority he should have taken him head on, NOT in two moves (Starhawk warns Sersi, Sersi fights Zemo.)

[Dark Soul # 7]

DOOM is on NO ONE'S side, save his own! :mad: He will, however, always ally hismelf with those who oppose faulty logic!I see and "apologise" for the misstake.

[Dark Soul # 7]

I feel that due to Starhawk telling sersi she would be grabbed by Zemo she'll be ready for him...which means that even if he teleports her into the sky she'll still have her martial arts skills to take him down before he can turn her into a kebab.The thing is that when Starhawk opens his mouth to tell Sersi that she's being teleported the warning comes too late because she is teleported before he can warn her.

[unkiedev]

I see and "apologise" for the misstake.
DOOM forgives all who seek his blessing. NOW KNEEL! KNEEL TO DOOM!

[Sean Whitmore]

Hmmm, interesting, interesting. Some thoughts:

Dark Soul
I think Starhawk would murderize Firebird in seconds, although you do account for her not being around later.

I feel you kinda wasted Drax, your big powerhouse. Atlas does not have what it takes to keep the Hulk occupied for very long, size or no size. Hulk may be dumb, but not so dumb that he can't formulate: "Smash the shins! If he tries to grab me, shatter the fingers!"

Also, I think your dislike for Wolverine made you underestimate him. A slap from Moses wouldn't take him out (which, granted, you accounted for), and the Shroud's powers wouldn't mean didily against his senses. Shroud would be dead in seconds and Wolvie would be free to help his teammates.


kentonator
I have to agree with the others that Zemo takes Sersi out. Even if Starhawk's warning was completed before Zemo's teleport was, what the heck can she do about it in an instant?

Hulk would eventually beat Drax, but the key word there is "eventually". Nowhere NEAR as quick as that.

I also don't think Hulk's thunderclap would necessarily take out Atlas or Zemo. Though you did account for that, I also don't think Mach IV could take out Atlas or Zemo afterwards.


I'm leaning one way, but not sure yet. Discuss!


SEAN

[Dark Soul # 7]

Hmmm, interesting, interesting. Some thoughts:

Dark Soul
I think Starhawk would murderize Firebird in seconds, although you do account for her not being around later.

I feel you kinda wasted Drax, your big powerhouse. Atlas does not have what it takes to keep the Hulk occupied for very long, size or no size. Hulk may be dumb, but not so dumb that he can't formulate: "Smash the shins! If he tries to grab me, shatter the fingers!"

Also, I think your dislike for Wolverine made you underestimate him. A slap from Moses wouldn't take him out (which, granted, you accounted for), and the Shroud's powers wouldn't mean didily against his senses. Shroud would be dead in seconds and Wolvie would be free to help his teammates.1. Ok maybe I missmatched some people but Drax should still be able to take out MACK-IV quickly and then do the same with Deathbird. And if Atlas does get into a slugfest with Hulk he is strong enough to last longer than Thing at least.

2. I never thought that Moses would take out Wolverine. The bitch-slapp will just send him flying. I'm pretty sure he's done something similair to Logan before. And even if Logan tries to help the only one he can win against on my team is Shroud who is just occupying him.

[kentonator]

Do you think that Zemo and Atlas are more durable than Captain Marvel? Who i believe is in the 15 ton range? Maybe atlas but zemo are you serious?

Here is the hulk putting down capt. marvel with thunderclap

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/burythunderclap.jpg

[Dark Soul # 7]

Do you think that Zemo and Atlas are more durable than Captain Marvel? Who i believe is in the 15 ton range? Maybe atlas but zemo are you serious?

Here is the hulk putting down capt. marvel with thunderclap

http://www.incrediblehulk.com/burythunderclap.jpgAtlas is in the 100 ton range.

And look at Zemo's strength this way. With one moonstone Karla Soften was in Spider-man's strength range. Zemo has two and is alot better at using their powers so he is alot stronger than just 15 ton range.

There's also the fact that with the moonstones he handled being blasted huge amounts of energy from Genis-Vell with seemingly no problem at all.

http://img133.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66379_zemo3.jpg
http://img141.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66492_zemo4.jpg
http://img22.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66498_zemo5.jpg
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66504_zemo6.jpg
http://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66568_zemo9.jpg

[Sean Whitmore]

Here is the hulk putting down capt. marvel with thunderclap


The problem with that example is that Cap wasn't knocked out by the shockwave of the blast, he was felled by all the rubble and debris from the building that fell on him.

No buildings on this empty field, so I think Atlas and 2-moonstone-Zemo would survive the shockwave okay.


SEAN

[Dark Soul # 7]

Well fought kentonator and good luck in the next battle.

[kentonator]

yeah man, great job! good luck in your future battles as well