Captain America #19 *Spoilers*

[Rokk]

You can check out my review here (http://comicbookrevolution.blogspot.com/2006/06/comic-book-review-captain-america-19_21.html).

I thought this was a good issue, but not great. It was probably one of the weakest issue out of Brubaker's run on this title.

Personally, I find Nazi villains to be rather lame and Master Man is simply uninteresting.

I do like how Brubaker is handling Bucky. He is keeping him in the shadows and we don't get much insight into his thoughts. I like that Brubaker is keeping the Winter Soldier a "ghost."

I loved Epting's artwork. His style is perfect for this title.

[Jack]

Dude, you were told to quit it with the "You can check out my review here (I don't give a damn about your reviews)" stuff.

[Red State Cap]

I think it would be more appropriate to actually post your review, rather than posting a link to a review.
And maybe it's just me, but referring to yourself in the third person is lame whoever you are.
But moving on to the issue...
The positive:
The art continues to be very suitable to the story.
The characterization and dialogue I thought was very good. Unlike some other writers who shall remain nameless, Mr. Brubaker can actually make Cap and supporting cast "sound" like they are supposed to sound.
Mr. Brubaker has done his homework and apparently will be utilizing to one extent or another the Spitfire/Cap story from the original Invaders.
And I'm all for a new Master Man, so long as he isn't just going to be around for cannon-fodder.

The negative:
Despite certain story hints to my liking, I actually thought this was one of Mr. Brubaker's weaker issues.
The pace is definitely suffering over the last couple of issues. One would hope that the last 2 issues of the arc pick up the pace substantially.
The art, while visually pleasing, often lacks dynamism, which could be more a function of story constraints than any artistic shortcoming.
Most annoying to me, I found that the art is this issue and the last issue is often "too much background, not enough character." Backgrounds are important, but I'd rather be looking at panels with a nicely-drawn character, rather than panels with a nicely-drawn background and a smallish character.
The fight with Master Man was quite short and really was not visually compelling.
Also, UJ accidentally seeing the bomb was just unbelievable to me.
The up-gunning of Spitfire (and, for that matter Cap) I think is unnecessary to writing good stories. But, at least there is something of an admission to it within the story.

Overall I didn't think this was one of Mr. Brubaker's better efforts. Some good stuff, but IMO more flaws.

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[Den]

I enjoyed seeing Union Jack and Spitfire work with Cap. The new Master Man is a fantastic patsy, powerful, easily manipulated by our mastermind, etc. I sense a chance for some development there that could be fun to see.

The Winter Soldier continues to intrigue and I'm VERY glad he wasn't just brought back and dumped into obscurity to be dusted off until he was useful again. You don't throw away characters with that much potential lightly, or at least you shouldn't and it wouldn't make SENSE for a man who'd been used like that not to hold some heavy baggage.

[Kirk G]

Hey, I liked the issue, cause it advanced the storyline, but I felt the action that started last issue, paid off this issue...and so, it all could of happened in one issue... it was the backstory last issue that didn't quite fill an issue.
I liked the Winter Soldier/Bucky subplot, but thought the almost discovery, not quite, was just as unbelievable as the discovery of the bomb. ..... Necessary to the plot cause that's how it was written.

I reserve judgement on the story until the whole arc plays out, but over all, I'm enjoying the ride... Ed has my money for the forseeable future.

(So what if t his issue was a little off, or a bit weak... don't judge the whole meal by one dish or course that was off a little.... they can't ALL be masterpieces...)

[UniqueFrequency]

as usual Captain America doesn't disappoint. great action scenes by Epting, the whole Bucky thing still in intruiges me and Cap, Spitfire and Union Jack rock!

[Wannabe]

I love stories with Nazis. They're just so easy to hate. And Super Nazis even moreso.

Great issue. A little lacking, but still good.

[Saotome]

Nice issue at first when I saw Steve batting around the new MasterMan. I thought MasterMan wasn't that tough.........but don't judge a book by its cover, that freak survived that huge explosion and the fire as he came out of it.


I love seeing Cap womp around guy's that can shrug off exposions and then that high flying fall that Cap took was sweet. I can't wait for Cap to re-fight with Masterman.

My only gripe is Ed makes the fights to easy for Cap, I mean I know Cap's titled the Perfect Man, but damn let Cap take some bruises and hits from Masterman.

Give the enemies a fighting chance.:evilsmile

[the_big_billbowski]

I have zero complaints about this issue, but that is generally the case since Brubaker took over. Art was great, story was solid as always. I can't wait for the next issue.

[ultramandingo]

cap needs to get namor on the horn .theres super krauts that need a kaputing.....

[Tony Starkz]

Found this issue just as good as the rest.

[StoneGold]

Actually, if I had any complaint, it's that the coloring was a little muddy in a couple places. Like the colorist was trying to do some kind of watercolor effect for the night scenes, and the payoff wasn't quite there.

[Bobster777]

Another great read for me. I love where Bru has taken this book. I'm really excited to see what he does post CW.

[Johnny_H]

I loved it :D and I love this run of Cap I have just gotten into comics again and I have tracked down every issue from 1-19 and Im loving it :D

Union Jack is awsome too I love this character.

[Siddon]

I think I am pretty much done with Cap after this arc, I loved the story but honestly most of these stories can wait till trades and I just don't think I can be a Cap fan.

[Captain Shady]

I believe Ed came on here very early on in the series and hinted at this storyline. Obviously I'm happy about Union Jack being used.

If every issue was great, how would we differentiate?

[The Shadow]

Some good stuff, but IMO more flaws.
Not to not pick and all because you gave a decent review... but I thought you quit Cap until Bucky was made dead again?!?

Anywhoo... loved the issue and as others have said Nazi's are just so easy to hate!

If every issue was great, how would we differentiate?
Nice quote.

With this series I think instead of looking for "great"... "good"... and "bad"... it's much more like looking at shades of grey than anything else.

[Red State Cap]

Not to not pick and all because you gave a decent review... but I thought you quit Cap until Bucky was made dead again?!?
Correct, I no longer buy Captain America and won't until Bucky is retconned back to being dead. Haven't we gone over this before?

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[The Shadow]

Correct, I no longer buy Captain America and won't until Bucky is retconned back to being dead. Haven't we gone over this before?
Perhaps. I don't recall.

Just to clarify... you won't buy it but you'll stand at the comic store and read it?

And your LCS doesn't have a problem with that? YOU don't have a problem with that?

[Red State Cap]

Perhaps. I don't recall.
Just to clarify... you won't buy it but you'll stand at the comic store and read it?
And your LCS doesn't have a problem with that? YOU don't have a problem with that?
Gah, I've been over this like 20 times. But for the 21st time:
I read the issue at the local shop, but don't buy it. It is the local shop's policy to allow this so long as the privilege is not abused (by browsing a bunch of books) and you buy something. And no, I don't have a problem at all with that.
I buy back-issues at book every time, and thus I keep up with events in Cap.

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[Siddon]

Gah, I've been over this like 20 times. But for the 21st time:
I read the issue at the local shop, but don't buy it. It is the local shop's policy to allow this so long as the privilege is not abused (by browsing a bunch of books) and you buy something. And no, I don't have a problem at all with that.
I buy back-issues at book every time, and thus I keep up with events in Cap.

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To be fair you must have done this 19 times, maybe 18 but not 20, when we are on issue 20 you can argue that you have done this 20 times....

and odds are you will.

[The Shadow]

To be fair you must have done this 19 times, maybe 18 but not 20, when we are on issue 20 you can argue that you have done this 20 times....

and odds are you will.
LOL

:D :D :D

[Red State Cap]

To be fair you must have done this 19 times, maybe 18 but not 20, when we are on issue 20 you can argue that you have done this 20 times....
and odds are you will.
To be fair, I didn't bring up the subject, The Shadow did, as you would know if you actually read the posts.
If someone wants to force the issue every time I post on a Cap thread, I am more than happy to oblige them. Otherwise I'll let it lay.

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[Siddon]

To be fair, I didn't bring up the subject, The Shadow did, as you would know if you actually read the posts.
If someone wants to force the issue every time I post on a Cap thread, I am more than happy to oblige them. Otherwise I'll let it lay.

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To be fair I don't really care why you do what you do, all I know is reading your posts about why cap sucks hurts my eyes and my brain. If you must sing the same song please do so in a different key.

[Red State Cap]

To be fair I don't really care why you do what you do, all I know is reading your posts about why cap sucks hurts my eyes and my brain. If you must sing the same song please do so in a different key.
There are enough "Bru U Rok" lemmings in here already. If you can't take someone giving a different perspective, well, tough.
Now, do you actually have something on-topic to add to the discussion?

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[shaunyc56]

I know theres some fighting going on, but I love this arc. And I really like Bucky. I am geeking hard for the inevitable Captain America and Bucky fight the Red Skull and Crossbones to the finish issue. Throw in some Falcon, Agent 13, UJ and Spitfire and you can't go wrong.

[Siddon]

There are enough "Bru U Rok" lemmings in here already. If you can't take someone giving a different perspective, well, tough.
Now, do you actually have something on-topic to add to the discussion?

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I'm sorry it was totally my fault for showing up here and taking focus away from the topic at hand.

Now what was that topic Red State's purchasing history and why he hates Captain America?

Heres a constructive suggestion why don't you just create a topic bashing Brubaker on your own and stay within that topic and stop littering Cap pages with your hysterical "perspective" cause its boring.

[Red State Cap]

Now what was that topic Red State's purchasing history and why he hates Captain America? Heres a constructive suggestion why don't you just create a topic bashing Brubaker on your own and stay within that topic and stop littering Cap pages with your hysterical "perspective" cause its boring.
I'll answer this for the last time and then let it go. I did not bring up the fact that I was no longer purchasing Cap, nor did I bring up why. The Shadow brought that up, so if you want to look for a reason why this thread is spinning off subject, it's the Shadow and yourself who are responsible.
I will continue to post whatever praise or criticism I think is relevant to the issue at hand, whether you like it or not. If you want to take exception to that, fine with me. Read my first post on this thread -- can you actually find fault with what I said in my review? Do you disagree with it? Well, try making a cogent argument as to why you think I'm wrong.
Thus far I haven't seen you go beyond the "Bru Roks" argument.

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[Siddon]

I'll answer this for the last time and then let it go. I did not bring up the fact that I was no longer purchasing Cap, nor did I bring up why. The Shadow brought that up, so if you want to look for a reason why this thread is spinning off subject, it's the Shadow and yourself who are responsible.
I will continue to post whatever praise or criticism I think is relevant to the issue at hand, whether you like it or not. If you want to take exception to that, fine with me. Read my first post on this thread -- can you actually find fault with what I said in my review? Do you disagree with it? Well, try making a cogent argument as to why you think I'm wrong.
Thus far I haven't seen you go beyond the "Bru Roks" argument.

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Oh I like Captain America now? I think Bru Rocks? Captain America is in my top ten? I didn't say I was dropping the book in this thread? You only listen to what you want to hear?

Though to be fair that would involve you pulling your head out of your bum and being civil enough to read or care about the opinions of other people.

frankly I have my doubts but maybe you can prove me wrong

good luck and godspeed

[Kirk G]

Gad but I am tired of listening to the same few argue all the time on the same subjects. Can't we all just get along???!!!

[ultramandingo]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...captian america ......frikin nazi-es .....the cube .....frikin bucky(!!!!!!) ..... whats not to dig ( as the kids say) what do you want ? batrok the leaper , vampires , rob lifield (!!!!!!!) it gets no better than this...........ok , cap punching cheney in the nuts would be cool , but......

[Red State Cap]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...captian america ......frikin nazi-es .....the cube .....frikin bucky(!!!!!!) ..... whats not to dig ( as the kids say) what do you want ? batrok the leaper , vampires , rob lifield (!!!!!!!) it gets no better than this...........ok , cap punching cheney in the nuts would be cool , but......
How about a grammar lesson?

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[Nick Kal]

Eveytime I read this title I can't stop myself from enjoying it to the utmost extent.

P.S. I had no idea this was a school room... thought it was an internet forum.:rolleyes:

[Leebenhouse]

Ha, I thought this was a Red State Cap vs. Siddon forum. After all, half the posts here are those two bickering.

As for the issue, thought it was pretty good, but its been almost 20 issues, and still we don't have resolution here. It's all one big damn storyline. Lousy decompressed storytelling. And I thought "21st century Blitz" was supposed to set up for a new Invaders team?

[The Shadow]

I thought "21st century Blitz" was supposed to set up for a new Invaders team?
I hadn't heard that... but I'd LOVE an old school WW2 Invaders book!!!!!