X-Crescence XXII: Lily, Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts

[Jake V]

I don't really know the specifics of this situation, and honestly, I don't give much of a shit, but you just set off one of my pet peeves.

"Tolerance" is about accpeting people for who they are, not who they choose to be.

See, people are born black or gay or asian or male or female. People CHOOSE to be misogynists, racists, homophobes, and assholes.

And no one should have to tolerate assholes.

[Novaya Havoc]

I have better things to do than fight over the internet with a person who is angry with the world because somebody doesn't like him. When I didn't like my job (or the people at it) I quit. Some advice, if you aren't happy... find something that makes you happy. Everything I said was attempting to make analogies and or examples to prove a point. I didn't want a scrap, I like this board and don't want any problems with anyone, but of course here comes "suck my left nut" N. Havoc. Well dude, I am sorry not EVERYONE likes you, not everyone likes me... and I don't cry about it. I will say one more thing... perhaps you are not as tolerant as you would like me to be.

Have a nice day.

Okay, lick my left nut AND kiss my derrier. No one said they were "unhappy" until you came traipsing in and tossed around a bunch of bullshit about how being gay is sunshine and roses at all times, it's better in America than Iraq -- so be grateful, or (king of all douchery) if you're unhappy where you are, then move to FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA to work on a cruise line.

Which, I might add, I never said I was unhappy with my position in life, or my location -- but rather that your comments were dumb, relativist, and absolutely unfounded.

I can play nice with a lot of opinions because I am a centrist, but don't talk about something you know jack shit about, compare it to children in Iraq, and expect me to go... "You know -- I never thought of it that way! Why do I need next-of-kin privileges for my partner when I'm not living in Iraq! Thanks, Uncle Sam!"

So yeah. Although I am headed out in a few, that testicle is still here for you for your licking pleasure. Just let me know.


PS... Jake V is my selection for X-Poster of the Month, June '06. Write it down.

[Cayman]

Scott Torino. Apparently, if I cannot find work where I live in a gay-friendly environment, I can move to Fort Lauderdale and work for Disney or Carnival Cruises.

... Because, you know, if you're gay, you should have to move across the damn country to find an accepting work environment. Touche. :rolleyes:

http://www.atlantisevents.com/img/vac/NA06/DSCF6901.jpg

That does seem a little extreme.

Cay

[Novaya Havoc]

http://www.atlantisevents.com/img/vac/NA06/DSCF6901.jpg

That does seem a little extreme.

Cay

That picture makes me almost want to re-evaluate my position on the subject.

... I wonder what the pay is?

[Jake V]

That picture makes me almost want to re-evaluate my position on the subject.

... I wonder what the pay is?
I think you're looking at it.

[scott_torino]

Cry me a river N. Havoc... and grow up.

[Cayman]

That picture makes me almost want to re-evaluate my position on the subject.

... I wonder what the pay is?

Floral print sarongs in all the colors of the rainbow, plus a small ration of thin soup and bread.

Cay

[Novaya Havoc]

Floral print sarongs in all the colors of the rainbow, plus a small ration of thin soup and bread.

Cay

Do I also get the privilege of listening to some hot, unreleased Kylie Minogue B-Sides? :D




Torino: Eat it, troll. I'm not asking for any sympathy, because my life doesn't warrant it.

... Except with regards to Dazzler. Then, by all means, sympathize away.

[Jake V]

I don't understand how someone's discontent with whatever situation they're in is somehow invalidated by someone else being in a worse situation.

I mean, take that attitude in the 60's and see where it gets you. I'm sure life REALLY sucked for people in India back then, but it doesn't mean that african americans should have kept quiet about having to sit in the back of the bus.

Hey women of the 20's! quit complaining about not having the right to vote! Things suck worse for people in Russia!

It's lazy bullshit. If things have room for improvement, there's no reason an effort shouldn't be made to do actual improvements.

[Hi-Fi]

PS... Jake V is my selection for X-Poster of the Month, June '06. Write it down.

I tried last month (or was it the month before?). We need to vote together now!

[Jake V]

I tried last month (or was it the month before?). We need to vote together now!
Always a bridesmaid, never a bride.

or something.

[Novaya Havoc]

I tried last month (or was it the month before?). We need to vote together now!

AGREEMENT. It's the 25th -- shouldn't the thread be up already?

And how are you, Vic?

[Novaya Havoc]

All right... ROOFDECKPARTY. See ya!

[mattbib]

AGREEMENT. It's the 25th -- shouldn't the thread be up already?Nope.

101010

[Flight]

Yes. As a gay man, I have SO MANY career options!!:

11. Flight attendant Oooooohhhhh, tell me more.

[Cayman]

Do I also get the privilege of listening to some hot, unreleased Kylie Minogue B-Sides? :D


What, do you think you're the ship's captain or something?

But you can hear some quality Dannii Minogue sides.

http://www.danniimusic.com/gallery/hits1full.jpg

Cay

[Cayman]

I keep seeing this guy everywhere around town. Like 4 times this weekend.

Spooky.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14031112


And the weird thing is, he lives in Iceland.

Cay

[Cayman]

Oooooohhhhh, tell me more.

More bananas, Mr. Flight?

http://www.healthawarenesstour.com/journal/images/pics/640/03-Cabana%20Boy.jpg

Cay

[Jack Flash]

the vote usually goes up around 3 days before end of the month, bib'll get it up sometime this week.

[Cayman]

bib'll get it up sometime this week.

*giggle*

Cay

[Jack Flash]

I don't really know the specifics of this situation, and honestly, I don't give much of a shit, but you just set off one of my pet peeves.

"Tolerance" is about accpeting people for who they are, not who they choose to be.

See, people are born black or gay or asian or male or female. People CHOOSE to be misogynists, racists, homophobes, and assholes.

And no one should have to tolerate assholes.

I lurve Jake V. He's the new black.

I am off to get slapped silent by Nobs. :D

[Dizzy D]

*giggle*

Cay
Oh, how old are you? Twelve?

*giggles uncontrollably himself*

[Brian M.]

Cry me a river N. Havoc... and grow up.

Shut the fuck up you fucking prick. Seriously kid, who the fuck are you? Who the fuck gave you the God Dam right to insult someone's lifestyle? From some of the shit you say you sound like a Republican and your giving us a bad name. Your fucking ignorance on this kind of subject is exactly what is wrong in America these days. You can't open up your mind when your head is up your ass.

[scott_torino]

I am a Libertarian if you must know. As a Libertarian I support gays spousal rights, I will not impede upon your civil rights and hopefully you will reciprocate. I harbor no negative sentiments towards any social group, just individuals who prove themselves worthy of scorn, contempt, or apathy. I am always amused at how tough people get over the internet. All I have said is that my previously stated point of view was not tolerated by N. Havoc. You can call me ignorant if you like, but as a father I know whining when I hear it, and N. Havoc is definitely whining,and now so are you. I don't care if you think I sound like a "Republican" which, BTW, there are plenty of who are good people, just like Democrats, Libertarians, gays, blacks, hispanics, and everyone else. I have stated that I am put off by individuals whining that some people discriminate against them. There are plenty of people who will not tolerate others for a myriad of reasons. Do I think their prejudices are just... no. Just a fact of life. Should we try to do better... yes. Are conditions in America better today than they were 20 years ago... yes. Can things for gays get better... yes. But whining about some individual discriminating against you on a comic book message board is so futile it's almost pathetic. Now Mr. UT Vol you too can also can grow up, and accept the world isn't always going to be nice to you for any plethora of reason... or you can whine about discrimination on a comic book message board. You know I originally was going to pos in X-Cresence to ask (since I am new to this board) how I could get more people to respond to my posts. I think I have the answer... make a few enemies (with a post that while controversial was not discriminatory).

[twilight]

You know I originally was going to pos in X-Cresence to ask (since I am new to this board) how I could get more people to respond to my posts.

Step 1) Be Interesting
Step 2) Don't be a jerk

I can't be bothered hunting down you're posts but you sound like an ass and I think you should change.Live your own life and let other people live theirs.

[Hi-Fi]

But whining about some individual discriminating against you on a comic book message board is so futile it's almost pathetic. You know I originally was going to pos in X-Cresence to ask (since I am new to this board) how I could get more people to respond to my posts. I think I have the answer... make a few enemies (with a post that while controversial was not discriminatory).

First: whining is a relative concept. Especially when you're not suffering or living the same thing Novaya is experiencing. We're not talking here about a child that broke his toy. We're talking here about prejudices and discrimination.

Second: even if it's whining, so what? Why the hell did you feel the need to respond to him like this? X-Cres works like this. If you're going through something bad, you come here and you get support and friendly words. You'd have been received with that had you posted what you originaly planned.

And pathetic?? Pathetic for me is someone that feels the need to get his posts read and seen by the others so badly that they'd say such stupid things as you're saying.

Oh, and mind you: I'm not your "enemy". That would be taking something as posting in a message board a little too far, as yourself said.

[scott_torino]

Okay I am a jerk and an ass for pointing out the obvious, while those who protest my post tell me to lick their genitalia and attempt to break some "F" bomb Guinness Book of World Records. Ok sure I am the jerk and ass, because I advise people to toughen up. So far I know UT Vol is 21, N. Havoc is a college student, and Zombie Northstar (he and Cayman being the only people who recieved my opinion with some decorum) are all young, very young. Zombie's younger than UT and N. Havoc and still recieved a dissenting opinion with more maturity. And you admit to not reading the offending posts, so why am I the ass? I don't get it. Now I knew my post might offend some people, when N. Havoc replied with "lick my" genetalia I tried to resolve this peacefully. He responded with more aggression. I mean this is a message board. I am using recreation time to be here and I don't want to spend it fueding with people.

[Jack Flash]

alright Scott. here's how I see it. telling people to "toughen up" and "stop whining" isn't the best way to make friends. however well intentioned your post was, it didn't come out as a "Hi. I'm new. Lets be friends!" post. it was inflamatory. you said it yourself it was "controversial".

great. now I can't stop using " "s.

Jake, post your snake picture again as an example of how a new poster should make a first impression!

[scott_torino]

Your response is civilized. I may disagree with you but it's civilized. Neither UT Vol or N. Havoc was civilized. Enemy is probably too harsh a word, I won't lose sleep over this.
For the person who gave me THEIR interpretation of TOLERANCE here is one of dictionary.com's definitions
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others

I do not think that gays in America are experiencing the same kind of discrimination blacks did. I do think that the only group it is OK to stereotype are white heterosexuals. I think it has something to do with their being percieved as the majority and oppressors of other people. I don't care though, what can I do if somebody doesn't like me because I am what I am? Move along.
All I was trying to tell N. Havok is that if he feels discriminated against at his place of work, is that there are places where he will be accepted. He doesn't have a Constitutional right to work where ever. Boys can't be Girl Scouts, and men can't be Hooters waitresses. (That is not a hidden slight.) I feel for people whose families treat them unfairly because of their sexual preferences. I would hope that everybody plays nice. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work that way. Perhaps my vocabulary isn't good enough for me to express what I feel. I am empathetic, but I prefer people who overcome obstacles, not cry foul anytime there's some hardship out there. So when I hear people go on and on about how oppressed they are in America, and I have seen oppression and war my natural reaction is to roll my eyes.

[Cayman]

I heart the Snake picture! Who's the cutest lil' viper, oh yes you are!

I swapped out my MySpace picture. Exciting, no?

Cay

[Jack Flash]

I heart the Snake picture! Who's the cutest lil' viper, oh yes you are!

I swapped out my MySpace picture. Exciting, no?

Cay

both you and Jake changed your myspace avvys. it's all the rage.

[Cayman]

both you and Jake changed your myspace avvys. it's all the rage.

He was my inspiration.

Cay

[HellFrost]

I heart the Snake picture! Who's the cutest lil' viper, oh yes you are!

I swapped out my MySpace picture. Exciting, no?

Cay
Your cute.

Isn't it cute that Affinity thought me and Nick were the same person? awww. I tried to explain that everyone likes him more...

ok, now make me feel better everybody... please:p

[Jack Flash]

Your cute.

Isn't it cute that Affinity thought me and Nick were the same person? awww. I tried to explain that everyone likes him more...

ok, now make me feel better everybody... please:p

LOL, HF is just as nice as PBX. though I wish PBX Posted more here too.

[mattbib]

Chance of rain for the next ten days...

Why do I own a convertible again?

[Cayman]

Your cute.

Isn't it cute that Affinity thought me and Nick were the same person? awww. I tried to explain that everyone likes him more...

ok, now make me feel better everybody... please:p

Awesome avatar!

Cay

[Jack Flash]

Chance of rain for the next ten days...

Why do I own a convertible again?

hey Bib, I am trying to talk my friend Leslie into doing CBR Runway. she thinks she'd be in over her head. she's a fashion student and doesn't read comics, but I think that'd give her a totally different perspective. hopefully I'll twist her arm! I am so excited about it though. you should pimp it in your sig.

never mind. it's in your sig already.

[Hi-Fi]

Your response is civilized. I may disagree with you but it's civilized. Neither UT Vol or N. Havoc was civilized. Enemy is probably too harsh a word, I won't lose sleep over this.
For the person who gave me THEIR interpretation of TOLERANCE here is one of dictionary.com's definitions
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others

I do not think that gays in America are experiencing the same kind of discrimination blacks did. I do think that the only group it is OK to stereotype are white heterosexuals. I think it has something to do with their being percieved as the majority and oppressors of other people. I don't care though, what can I do if somebody doesn't like me because I am what I am? Move along.
All I was trying to tell N. Havok is that if he feels discriminated against at his place of work, is that there are places where he will be accepted. He doesn't have a Constitutional right to work where ever. Boys can't be Girl Scouts, and men can't be Hooters waitresses. (That is not a hidden slight.) I feel for people whose families treat them unfairly because of their sexual preferences. I would hope that everybody plays nice. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work that way. Perhaps my vocabulary isn't good enough for me to express what I feel. I am empathetic, but I prefer people who overcome obstacles, not cry foul anytime there's some hardship out there. So when I hear people go on and on about how oppressed they are in America, and I have seen oppression and war my natural reaction is to roll my eyes.

I feel like if I respond your post, you'll respond mine and we'd be trapped in this conversation forever. We wont change each others views, so fair enough...

I do think there's no such thing as overreacting or whining when the subject is this one. I mean, there are places where gays are beaten to death just because they're gays. It's not fair to try to compare your experiences with something you aren't familiar with (I suppose you're not gay, right?).

See, I did respond to it...Damn it.

[Hi-Fi]

Meh, I'm being boring guy that can't keep his mouth closed.

Cay, you seem uterly happy! That makes me happy.

I think it's the snake. It brings a smile to everyone's face!

[Hi-Fi]

I should change my pic in myspace too. That one is really old.

[Jack Flash]

i changed mine this weekend too. :D

[HellFrost]

LOL, HF is just as nice as PBX. though I wish PBX Posted more here too.
Aww. I love you Jack Flash!!!!!!!!!

Awesome avatar!

Cay
Thanks. And you can have one too by going here, (http://www.comicartfans.com/SketchbookPiece.asp?Piece=130532) and photoshopping this magical piece of art.

Wow... is that really Flight? HAWTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And can someone please explain who this scott person is... I tried to read the posts but there's hardly any grammar and I don't want to affend anyone... just curious

[Jack Flash]

i'm out of here folks. ya'll be good.

[HellFrost]

i'm out of here folks. ya'll be good.
BYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

[HellFrost]

I've got no problem with anybody ...until they draw attention to themselves. I don't know why, but something in my character just gets a bad taste in mouth when people attempt to draw attention to themselves.
wow... then your gonna LOATHE me!:evilsmile

Lol. jk jk. We want no problems here. Everyone is very excepting but not being particularly nice isn't always the best way to make friends. I know from experience.:o

I also didn't bother reading the rest... it was too long, sorry:D

...I spelt loathe wrong... :p

[scott_torino]

there was a writer who once said that reading only a part of an author's work is a huge insult. I am paraphrasing. Anyway no big deal. Wasn't trying to be mean or bigotted. Just trying to share a differing view point. And then responding to being told I am an ass, lick my *&^% , and more "F"-bombs then Eddie Murphy in his younger days.

[Foley]

there was a writer who once said that reading only a part of an author's work is a huge insult. I am paraphrasing. Anyway no big deal. Wasn't trying to be mean or bigotted. Just trying to share a differing view point. And then responding to being told I am an ass, lick my *&^% , and more "F"-bombs then Eddie Murphy in his younger days.

that's not an insult, that's just foreplay around here :D

[HellFrost]

that's not an insult, that's just foreplay around here :D
so true. Hey Foley, Suck my cock!:evilsmile

[Foley]

so true. Hey Foley, Suck my cock!:evilsmile

You must be Emma's student! You read my mind and knew i needed a toothpick!:evilsmile

[xakko]

gah, i hate myspace spam requests

why the blank did i sign up for that?

[Cayman]

gah, i hate myspace spam requests

why the blank did i sign up for that?

I've been getting MySpace spam like crazy the last few days.

I almost deleted Atoningunifex along with the porn girls.

Cay

[Foley]

I've been getting MySpace spam like crazy the last few days.

I almost deleted Atoningunifex along with the porn girls.

Cay

hey, lets not knock the porn girls. I love those ladies

[xakko]

I've been getting MySpace spam like crazy the last few days.

I almost deleted Atoningunifex along with the porn girls.

Cay
i don't know if i should be insulted i didnt' get an invite from atoningunifex...

probably not... i'm not that connected to this board anymore.

that, or i did delete him among the porn girl spam..

[Cayman]

hey, lets not knock the porn girls. I love those ladies

But they never have songs in their profiles.

Cay

[Foley]

But they never have songs in their profiles.

Cay

fair enough...i'm gonna start my own site and all the girls are gonna be required to add "i'm in love with a stripper" as their profile song or I'll fire 'em:p

[xakko]

fair enough...i'm gonna start my own site and all the girls are gonna be required to add "i'm in love with a stripper" as their profile song or I'll fire 'em:p
would stephen lynch's "in defense of a peepshow girl" do?

[mattbib]

Hey all, I can't find the thread on the cover of #191...is there any confirmation on who the kneeling blonde chick and the standing dark-haired chick are?

http://images.comicbookresources.com/solicits/marvelcomics/200609/XMEN191COVER_400.jpg

Be sure to answer with spoilers. Thanks.

[Foley]

would stephen lynch's "in defense of a peepshow girl" do?

I think that would be acceptable

[The Lucky One]

GAAAAAAHHHH!!! Managed to track down the latest wave of Marvel Legends today at a Toys 'R Us, snagged Pyro and Lady Deathstrike... and yet the Wal-Mart exclusive wave STILL is nowhere to be found! And I don't mean that they keep being sold out, I mean they literally haven't come out anywhere around here. Did Wal-Mart put an embargo on the tri-state area or something?
:mad:

-D

[Cayman]

I love Pyro Man.

Cay

[xakko]

GAAAAAAHHHH!!! Managed to track down the latest wave of Marvel Legends today at a Toys 'R Us, snagged Pyro and Lady Deathstrike... and yet the Wal-Mart exclusive wave STILL is nowhere to be found! And I don't mean that they keep being sold out, I mean they literally haven't come out anywhere around here. Did Wal-Mart put an embargo on the tri-state area or something?
:mad:

-D
i snagged Kitty, Havok and Warbird in an ebay auction.

i broke down and looked in walmart, but thankfully they didn't have them there. still need a captain britain...

[twilight]

Stop wasting your time talking about action figures and discuss how cool I am.

Ready,steady...GO!

[xakko]

hey Cay, did you see how awesome the new Marvel Legends Twilight figure is?

[Foley]

I heard it comes with realistic sucking action :D

[Cayman]

hey Cay, did you see how awesome the new Marvel Legends Twilight figure is?

I love its little hovercraft.

Cay

[twilight]

I heard it comes with realistic sucking action :D

It also comes with realistic KICK FOLEY IN THE GRILL action!

[twilight]

I love its little hovercraft.

Cay

I like how all the different hats that come with the figure are animatronic.

[twilight]

Ohhh we haven't been shut down yet.

We are rebels.

[Foley]

It also comes with realistic KICK FOLEY IN THE GRILL action!

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! NOT IN THE FACE! NOT IN THE FACE!:eek:

[twilight]

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! NOT IN THE FACE! NOT IN THE FACE!:eek:

*breaks Foley's knee caps with an old,hard baguette*

*puts gum in his hair*

[The Lucky One]

i snagged Kitty, Havok and Warbird in an ebay auction.

i broke down and looked in walmart, but thankfully they didn't have them there. still need a captain britain...

The problem is that I want, like, half of them. Kitty, Havok, Warbird, Captain B, Ant-Man, and the Sentry (and if possible his bearded variant so I can use the head for a Mimic custom). Don't care about AoA Sabes or Logan and could live with the original Thor, but I know if I get 6 I'm just going to think "I'm halfway to building Giant Man, may as well finish it."

Maybe I can just trade my unused Apocalypse and Onslaught parts for the Giant Man parts w/out having to buy the extra figures.

-D

[Cayman]

Avalanche is the most underappreciated Brotherhood member.

Cay

[Uncle Nobs]

I'm just catching up here, so I've missed a lot in the whole Scott vs. Novaya thing.

Hi Scott--
Let me preface this by saying I don't really have any strong ties to Ben (Novaya Havoc), nor can I claim to be a member of any group that is widely persecuted. I'm just a guy who noticed several fallacies in this discussion and can't keep my mouth shut.

I tried to make peace and PM'ed you as to not start any fights with anyone
Is it wrong of Novaya to continue to take issue with your well-intentioned PM if he continues to spot fallacies in your argument? He found it insulting that you suggested he leave his home just to relocate someplace where he might be better accepted. Surely you can see his point?

I have better things to do than fight over the internet with a person who is angry with the world because somebody doesn't like him. When I didn't like my job (or the people at it) I quit.
Okay, so now imagine if nearly everywhere you go, people don't like you, and you never even did anything to them to piss them off. Will you always be on the move, looking for that special land where you will be loved? Or do you take a stand where you are?

Some advice, if you aren't happy... find something that makes you happy. Everything I said was attempting to make analogies and or examples to prove a point. I didn't want a scrap, I like this board and don't want any problems with anyone, but of course here comes "suck my left nut" N. Havoc.
Yup, that kind of thing is counterproductive when you're trying to get someone to hear you. I don't agree with Novaya when he does stuff like that, but I think I see where he's coming from. I don't think he expected you to be able to hear him, but at the same time, he wanted to make his point loud and clear. (This is obviously speculation on my part, but that's how it struck me.)

And I must point out that your complaint is that people are taking issue with the way you present your argument, not listening to the content of it. But you are doing the same thing. If you really want to have a productive dialogue, do what you can to ignore when things get inflammatory. Just stay on topic and say your piece. Your opponent will soon realize he is the only one being inflammatory and follow suit.

Well dude, I am sorry not EVERYONE likes you, not everyone likes me... and I don't cry about it.
Obviously, you're striking a purposely childish tone here, but I still think it reveals some of your misunderstanding of minority persecution. I don't think anyone over age 18 expects EVERYONE (as you put it) to like them. I think persecuted minorities hope to one day be able to realistically expect that they aren't randomly (often violently) hated for simply existing. If you cannot recognize that such hatred and acts of hatred exist in America today, then I must agree with Novaya and suggest you gather your news from better and broader sources.

I will say one more thing... perhaps you are not as tolerant as you would like me to be.

Have a nice day.
Possibly. Again, I can't speak for Novaya (although here I am, darn near doing it anyway), but to me, it seems he has learned to simply not bother trying to change people who he feels can't be changed.

Personally, I don't agree with this view (if, in fact, that begins to accurately convey some of his feelings). But considering the daily hatred he has to endure from endless strangers, I can't say I blame him for it.

[xakko]

The problem is that I want, like, half of them. Kitty, Havok, Warbird, Captain B, Ant-Man, and the Sentry (and if possible his bearded variant so I can use the head for a Mimic custom). Don't care about AoA Sabes or Logan and could live with the original Thor, but I know if I get 6 I'm just going to think "I'm halfway to building Giant Man, may as well finish it."

Maybe I can just trade my unused Apocalypse and Onslaught parts for the Giant Man parts w/out having to buy the extra figures.

-D
good luck with that.

I am seriously cutting down on the Marvel Legends. I don't want it to become another Muppets. i'll get Longshot and Psylocke, and I'm still hoping to snag an original Cap and a trenchcoat Thing, but I have got to be more restrained...

[twilight]

X-Cres XXIII:Twilight is fantastic

[Novaya Havoc]

Your response is civilized. I may disagree with you but it's civilized. Neither UT Vol or N. Havoc was civilized. Enemy is probably too harsh a word, I won't lose sleep over this.
For the person who gave me THEIR interpretation of TOLERANCE here is one of dictionary.com's definitions
The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others

I do not think that gays in America are experiencing the same kind of discrimination blacks did. I do think that the only group it is OK to stereotype are white heterosexuals. I think it has something to do with their being percieved as the majority and oppressors of other people. I don't care though, what can I do if somebody doesn't like me because I am what I am? Move along.
All I was trying to tell N. Havok is that if he feels discriminated against at his place of work, is that there are places where he will be accepted. He doesn't have a Constitutional right to work where ever. Boys can't be Girl Scouts, and men can't be Hooters waitresses. (That is not a hidden slight.) I feel for people whose families treat them unfairly because of their sexual preferences. I would hope that everybody plays nice. Unfortunately the real world doesn't work that way. Perhaps my vocabulary isn't good enough for me to express what I feel. I am empathetic, but I prefer people who overcome obstacles, not cry foul anytime there's some hardship out there. So when I hear people go on and on about how oppressed they are in America, and I have seen oppression and war my natural reaction is to roll my eyes.

Mr. Douche:

1. I never said I was discriminated against at my place of work. And for the record, I am not. I am well loved and am the most successful at my job probably in part because I'm gay.

2. As much as straight white males may feel it's true, you are not the most discriminated group in the States. That's your perspective, and a limited one at that. So now, lick both my nuts.

3. A student of women's or gender studies would have a field day with your douchey assertations.

4. If you didn't read my fucking post about living in a nuclear family who went to gay pride -- without my being there -- and the fact I've had it very easy at a gay man... and STILL want to write me off as crying discrimination and foul at every turn, that's your problem. And more, that's indicative of your douchetic counter-argument of blaming those who disagree with you as being "whiny" "thought police" -- both of which I have not been. What this means is you're a closeminded dumbfuck.

5. I appreciate the fact I can call you a closeminded dumbfuck and to lick my nuts in X-Cres without getting banned.

6. So I will say it again: you're a douche who's a closeminded dumbfuck and should lick my nuts.

7. You served in the military? I support you brother, but can also label you for the homophobic douchebag relativist dumbfuck ego-driven nut-licking scum you are.

Have a wonderful day, and thank God for X-Cres. I'm drunk, and goodnight.

-B (Who had no spelling errors of note. While drunk. Yay!)

[HellFrost]

like OMG! I'm trying to find a Flash ring to go with my sexy Flash shirt. I know I sound like a dork but it's not bad to want to match... is it... plus Wally is a sexy beast! RAWR!

Anyway... I'm tired and going to go to bed soon. I'm so not looking forward to work tomorrow... My managers a bitch...

[The Lucky One]

good luck with that.

I am seriously cutting down on the Marvel Legends. I don't want it to become another Muppets. i'll get Longshot and Psylocke, and I'm still hoping to snag an original Cap and a trenchcoat Thing, but I have got to be more restrained...

Is it hard to get the original Cap? I had just assumed the new Face Off version was the same as the original, is that not the case?

I'm trying to cut back too, hence not wanting to get the entire Wal-Mart line. Gonna have to order the entire next wave to build Mojo, but luckily the Onslaught wave only had three I wanted... got two, now just have to keep looking for Loki. Really, really wish they'd reissue the original Toad, though, as even loose he runs like 60 bones. (Or just release a comic-accurate better version... actually, I'd prefer that.)

-D

[Uncle Nobs]

Torino: Eat it, troll. I'm not asking for any sympathy, because my life doesn't warrant it.
Scott, I think this comment strikes at the heart of your argument. You seem to want to paint gays and other persecuted minorities as mewling babies, crying for sympathy. The majority of these folks who have faced bigotry for so long--they know very clearly that they don't want sympathy. They simply want to be treated as human beings.

[Novaya Havoc]

PS... Just so everyone understands why I am ranting against Scott Torino so much, here's an example of the dumb shit I get over PM:

If I were to beat a man, I would serve a sentence. If I were to beat a gay man, my sentence would be longer. Is that fair to the straight man... no. He feels pain the exact same way. "Hate" crimes are special legislation that affords a gay/black/latino more protection than a white person. That is not equality, and furthermore "hate" crimes border on thought police. A concept that a Libertarian would be suspicious of. I think if you beat a gay man you should do the same sentence as you would if you beat a man. That's equality.

I'm very adept at discussing social issues with everyday people (I do it all the time as an "abassador" of sorts), but have no patience for it on X-Cres with these types of statements.

I cannot explain why I'm drunk, except for well-endowed girlfriend's 21st birthday with lots of free drinks. Back to comic talk.

-NH

[xakko]

Is it hard to get the original Cap? I had just assumed the new Face Off version was the same as the original, is that not the case?

I'm trying to cut back too, hence not wanting to get the entire Wal-Mart line. Gonna have to order the entire next wave to build Mojo, but luckily the Onslaught wave only had three I wanted... got two, now just have to keep looking for Loki. Really, really wish they'd reissue the original Toad, though, as even loose he runs like 60 bones. (Or just release a comic-accurate better version... actually, I'd prefer that.)

-D
the original cap was dirt cheap at one point, but lately i've seen him at around $20, or around there with shipping off ebay... i suppose if i want zemo i could get the Face Off one...

toad never interested me, and he used to be so plentiful, too...

[HellFrost]

PS... Just so everyone understands why I am ranting against Scott Torino so much, here's an example of the dumb shit I get over PM:



I'm very adept at discussing social issues with everyday people (I do it all the time as an "abassador" of sorts), but have no patience for it on X-Cres with these types of statements.

I cannot explain why I'm drunk, except for well-endowed girlfriend's 21st birthday with lots of free drinks. Back to comic talk.

-NH
wow... ok... that was asanine... Ignore him. your better then him anyway.

[Uncle Nobs]

PS... Just so everyone understands why I am ranting against Scott Torino so much, here's an example of the dumb shit I get over PM:



Originally Posted by Scott Torino
If I were to beat a man, I would serve a sentence. If I were to beat a gay man, my sentence would be longer. Is that fair to the straight man... no. He feels pain the exact same way. "Hate" crimes are special legislation that affords a gay/black/latino more protection than a white person. That is not equality, and furthermore "hate" crimes border on thought police. A concept that a Libertarian would be suspicious of. I think if you beat a gay man you should do the same sentence as you would if you beat a man. That's equality.



I'm very adept at discussing social issues with everyday people (I do it all the time as an "abassador" of sorts), but have no patience for it on X-Cres with these types of statements.

I cannot explain why I'm drunk, except for well-endowed girlfriend's 21st birthday with lots of free drinks. Back to comic talk.

-NH
That might have been an interesting point to talk about, if only it hadn't been so grossly out of place in the existing conversation.

[HellFrost]

Good Night guys. TTFN!!!!!!!!!

You guys rock ;)

[Novaya Havoc]

That might have been an interesting point to talk about, if only it hadn't been so grossly out of place in the existing conversation.

Agreed. To me, it just singnifies the larger presence of ignorance and homophobia.

[Nyssane]

Avalanche is the most underappreciated Brotherhood member.

Cay

Well, I could argue that Phantazia is. ;) BUT out of the mainstream Brotherhood members, I definitely agree that Avalanche needs more exposure. ;_;

[Uncle Nobs]

Agreed. To me, it just singnifies the larger presence of ignorance and homophobia.
South Park (which I sometimes enjoy and other times am annoyed by) devoted an episode to this.

The kids were being given extra punishment after schoolyard spats because the teachers just came to their own conclusions about what must have been in the kids' minds. Meanwhile, other kids got in equally bad fights (or worse), but the teachers just decided there was no hate involved.

Essentially, instead of being punished for the actual crimes, people were being punished for hating--which A) cannot be proven (in most cases) and B) as an emotion, is everyone's right (regardless of ugliness or obscenity).

[Foley]

That might have been an interesting point to talk about, if only it hadn't been so grossly out of place in the existing conversation.

I have to agree that I would love to discuss this point at length sometime when everyone isn't quite so heated. I think its a very valid subject

[Foley]

South Park (which I sometimes enjoy and other times am annoyed by) devoted an episode to this.

The kids were being given extra punishment after schoolyard spats because the teachers just came to their own conclusions about what must have been in the kids' minds. Meanwhile, other kids got in equally bad fights (or worse), but the teachers just decided there was no hate involved.

Essentially, instead of being punished for the actual crimes, people were being punished for hating--which A) cannot be proven (in most cases) and B) as an emotion, is everyone's right (regardless of ugliness or obscenity).

I loved that episode :p Honestly I feel that any time someone commits a violent criminal act against a person that some sort of strong motivational emotion (hatred, fear, etc) is the driving force. The person should be judged on the actions, not on their intent. Is a violent act any less reprehensible just because I do it out of greed rather than hatred? I don't think so

[Uncle Nobs]

I loved that episode :p Honestly I feel that any time someone commits a violent criminal act against a person that some sort of strong motivational emotion (hatred, fear, etc) is the driving force. The person should be judged on the actions, not on their intent. Is a violent act any less reprehensible just because I do it out of greed rather than hatred? I don't think so
Yup. 'Zactly.

[Foley]

Yup. 'Zactly.

Now that we have that settled, lets work on world peace!:D

[tetragene]

Scott, some of the points you bring up might at first appear to have some merrit but they are very quickly derailed by almost everything else you post. I think that there are people from all walks of life, who look for conflict where it does not exist. There are people of all religions, races, sexual orientations, and nationalities who long to be victimized and sympathized with. Legitimate points, however when you are lumping up a large majority of people in each selective "group" as being this way--then that's where the problem arises and you lose your credibility on the arguement.

I am a gay teen from SOUTH CAROLINA. Of my collection of friends--the fewest are white, the most are black. Racism and homophobia are very real. It's when dumbasses seeking to be victimized go about "crying wolf" in a said situation that the real issue of racism and homophobia (or xenophobia or anything else) become a joke to people such as yourself, who take a few examples of it being done and immediately associate it with mass scales of people. I have never once wanted sympathy from anybody about my situation. I'm so against the whole sympathy-and-special-treatment thing that I refused to accept offers in highschool that would have made my life easier in regards to my diabetes--I wouldn't bring food with me to class, even though I was allowed to, because I knew everyone else couldn't...even though quite a few times my blood sugar dropped. Point in case, even though it was probably stupid of me, I did NOT want special treatment. Same goes for "being gay." I don't want special treatment, just equal treatment. Zombie northstar made an interesting point about schools. I can't even count the number of times someone was called a "fag" or "queer", to which the teacher would say something like "no arguing" or "no talking." Meanwhile racial slurs thrown around got the student(s) sent to the principal's office and they received punishment for it (although the words "cracker" were never treated in the same manner, which I also think is unfair). This guy I had a class with was openly gay. When the senior party came up, a whole mess of the seniors got together and planned to arrive early, grab some food, and then pelt him with it as he walked in. He could be a bit annoying and arrogant. And he was by no means an attractive person. But they didn't decide to do that humiliating thing to him because of his annoyance or arrogance or "ugliness"--they did it because he was gay. And I say this not with the assumption that its what it was...they flat out told the other seniors that why they were doing it (before he came out none of them paid him a bit of attention, positive or negative). People constantly made fun of him. "Fag" and "queer" were lobbed at him almost daily. So is that a case of homophobia not existing? A case of someone wanting for others to "unjustly" feel sorry for them?

Homophobia is a huge problem. Gay teens aren't scared shitless of their families because they seek sympathy. I was deeply depressed and suicidal because of all the fears of being disowned by my family who are all Southern Baptists, or the fear that my friends would feel uncomfortable being around me, or the fear that I'd end up being like Matthew Shepard. Again, never did I want sympathy. I just wanted to be understood and treated like the human being that I was, regardless. I haven't been denied a job for being gay, been disowned and thrown out the house by family for being gay, or beaten to a bloody pulp for being gay, so sympathy is certainly not warranted. But jsut because it didn't happen to me doesn't mean it doesn't happen to other people.

Racism is also still an issue, but it's a two-way street--which is rarely portrayed in the media. My black friends have certainly had nasty comments thrown their way, or suspicious glances locked onto them (granted it's not been an "everyday and everywhere" thing, there are a good deal of Southerners who are open-minded, contrary to popular belief). If I go to a predominately black event with them (like my highshcool's step team competition) then a lot of times I get burning stares and comments like "This is for black people, what's a white boy doing here?". It's a real problem, although I will agree with your point that sometimes people like to say something is discrimination when its not. Point in case--a friend of mine was driving a car, she was speeding. Cop pulls her over, she begins saying he pulled her just because she was black. He asks for her license and she doesn't have one, so she gets a ticket. Again she cites that she just got a ticket because she was black and that if she were white it wouldn't have happened. I know her complaining was a load of bullshit--anytime I've driven alone and was speeding I was pulled and given a ticket (and I ALWAYS have my license). So even though her complaints were unfounded and complete bullshit, that doesn't mean that EVERYONE who complains about racism (or homophobia or any other form of discrimination) are full of crap. And yeah, I think it has gotten to a point in culture where its ok to make fun of white people, stereotype them (though generally rare, in some forms of media it happens), and throw around racist slurs like "cracker" and "whitey". Do I think it's right? Of course not. It's a perfect example of double standards. But you can't apply instances like that on massive scales and associate it with everyone. They are all real issues with real problems. And while I can relate to some of what you've said, it tends to ring hollow because you follow them up with points that aren't really backing up my of what you've said--and then you go on to say rather radical and/or uninformed things about situations you really have no experience with.

[Mariah]

I have to agree that I would love to discuss this point at length sometime when everyone isn't quite so heated. I think its a very valid subject
dang, I go away for afew hours and everyone gets all bent outta shape. At least when I was bringing all the boys to the yard, nobody got bitch smacked--looking at you scott torino--btw, I loved all your job listings for gay males. Do you have any for any other minorities?

[Novaya Havoc]

South Park (which I sometimes enjoy and other times am annoyed by) devoted an episode to this.

The kids were being given extra punishment after schoolyard spats because the teachers just came to their own conclusions about what must have been in the kids' minds. Meanwhile, other kids got in equally bad fights (or worse), but the teachers just decided there was no hate involved.

Essentially, instead of being punished for the actual crimes, people were being punished for hating--which A) cannot be proven (in most cases) and B) as an emotion, is everyone's right (regardless of ugliness or obscenity).

Love South Park. But they simplify everything. Just like they simplified the concept of transgender. Fucking hilarious episode and a great satire, but it's not something from which to gain a full perspective.

Hate crimes occur not because of who you are, but rather because of what you are. Beating up two men because they're holding hands isn't the same thing as beating up two men because they're walking and you want their money. It's based on what they are (gay) rather than who they are (well-to-do).

Not every crime against a member of a certain group is victim of a hate crime. I was mugged in Chicago (armed robbery), but would never consider it a hate crime. But there is a clear distinction. Scott Torino basically asserted that it was bull and reinforced a system of inequity. Which is utter douchery.

[Foley]

dang, I go away for afew hours and everyone gets all bent outta shape. At least when I was bringing all the boys to the yard, nobody got bitch smacked--looking at you scott torino--btw, I loved all your job listings for gay males. Do you have any for any other minorities?

What can I say? I'm sexually frustrated!

[Novaya Havoc]

Mariah... that list was mine. :o


Tetra... kudos for speaking out. Love ya, boyo.

[Mariah]

What can I say? I'm sexually frustrated!
easily fixed, with an easy gal

[Foley]

Love South Park. But they simplify everything. Just like they simplified the concept of transgender. Fucking hilarious episode and a great satire, but it's not something from which to gain a full perspective.

Hate crimes occur not because of who you are, but rather because of what you are. Beating up two men because they're holding hands isn't the same thing as beating up two men because they're walking and you want their money. It's based on what they are (gay) rather than who they are (well-to-do).

Not every crime against a member of a certain group is victim of a hate crime. I was mugged in Chicago (armed robbery), but would never consider it a hate crime. But there is a clear distinction. Scott Torino basically asserted that it was bull and reinforced a system of inequity. Which is utter douchery.

I understand what you're saying. I guess my issue is that if someone beats up two guys for holding hands or if someone beats me up because of the girl I'm holding hands with, I think they should still be prosecuted by the same law.

[Foley]

easily fixed, with an easy gal

what are you doin tonight?

[Novaya Havoc]

I understand what you're saying. I guess my issue is that if someone beats up two guys for holding hands or if someone beats me up because of the girl I'm holding hands with, I think they should still be prosecuted by the same law.

But they're not beating you up because they hate you for holding your girlfriend's hand. They're motivated out of petty crime.

It's still a crime. They're still prosecuted. They're still criminalized. But it's a lot different to mug for a motivation (money, usually), rather than for simply existing (because you hate blacks, gays, puerto ricans, whites, whomever).

It's one thing to commit a crime with a motive. It's another thing entirely to do it out of emnity for a particular group of people. That's the linchpin.

[Mariah]

Mariah... that list was mine. :o


Tetra... kudos for speaking out. Love ya, boyo.
Yes, and I loved how you so eloquently kicked that bigot in the testes. I'da punched him in his fat stupid mouth for talking all that shit.--if we we're ever talking in person that is--Some people. But there's much love for ya, my fellow dazzler fan.

[Novaya Havoc]

Yes, and I loved how you so eloquently kicked that bigot in the testes. I'da punched him in his fat stupid mouth for talking all that shit.--if we we're ever talking in person that is--Some people. But there's much love for ya, my fellow dazzler fan.

Love you, too. ;) You can be my Dazzler soul sister. I have a soul sister for everything, but not for Dazzler. :(

[Foley]

But they're not beating you up because they hate you for holding your girlfriend's hand. They're motivated out of petty crime.

It's still a crime. They're still prosecuted. They're still criminalized. But it's a lot different to mug for a motivation (money, usually), rather than for simply existing (because you hate blacks, gays, puerto ricans, whites, whomever).

It's one thing to commit a crime with a motive. It's another thing entirely to do it out of emnity for a particular group of people. That's the linchpin.

Just from a legal perspective though, proving intent is much harder than you'd think. Its kind of confusing too. Should I get less of a sentence if I commit a crime for an altruistic motive?

[Mariah]

what are you doin tonight?
douching, I mean, washing my hair. How's later sound?

[Mariah]

Love you, too. ;) You can be my Dazzler soul sister. I have a soul sister for everything, but not for Dazzler. :(
You know it honey. We are soul sista's for life.

[Foley]

douching, I mean, washing my hair. How's later sound?

sounds fantastic. I'm kinda dirty tonght tough, i might need a thorough washing :p

[Novaya Havoc]

Just from a legal perspective though, proving intent is much harder than you'd think. Its kind of confusing too. Should I get less of a sentence if I commit a crime for an altruistic motive?

Naturally, which is why "hate crime" legislation is so nebulous and -- sadly -- opposed. But for many people, having such laws is the only recourse. It's unfortunate when it is abused. But there are plenty of people who are attacked and have no recourse or defense for their particular disposition, and are often dismissed as the random victim of a petty crime rather than an attack motivated from nothing more than hate. And often this occurs in areas where the authority figures are insensitive or hostile to the needs of those particular groups, who would need laws on the books to defend them if necessary.

Trust me. I hate the PC police when it comes to abusing the idea of "hate crimes" (and worse yet, hate speech, a concept I totally disagree with), but there is a great distinction between the two.

And more important, it should be realized in terms of a heavier penalty for a crime of hate, rather than an alleviated or unenforced consequence for a generic crime. Read about some of these attacks, and you'll see there is a big distinction.

[Mariah]

But they're not beating you up because they hate you for holding your girlfriend's hand. They're motivated out of petty crime.

It's still a crime. They're still prosecuted. They're still criminalized. But it's a lot different to mug for a motivation (money, usually), rather than for simply existing (because you hate blacks, gays, puerto ricans, whites, whomever).

It's one thing to commit a crime with a motive. It's another thing entirely to do it out of emnity for a particular group of people. That's the linchpin.
Where'd this guy come from anyway? He came in spouting a bunch of shit, has he ever read any of the posts from this site? There are ton's of mo's and their ho's and the fag stags who hang out here

[Mariah]

sounds fantastic. I'm kinda dirty tonght tough, i might need a thorough washing :p
lol, don't worry. I have a power washer here. It can take the skin off of your hand with a few seconds of applied pressure.

[Novaya Havoc]

"Fag stags." Love it.

Anyway, guys and gals... time for me to haul into bed. Night!

[Foley]

Naturally, which is why "hate crime" legislation is so nebulous and -- sadly -- opposed. But for many people, having such laws is the only recourse. It's unfortunate when it is abused. But there are plenty of people who are attacked and have no recourse or defense for their particular disposition, and are often dismissed as the random victim of a petty crime rather than an attack motivated from nothing more than hate. And often this occurs in areas where the authority figures are insensitive or hostile to the needs of those particular groups, who would need laws on the books to defend them if necessary.

Trust me. I hate the PC police when it comes to abusing the idea of "hate crimes" (and worse yet, hate speech, a concept I totally disagree with), but there is a great distinction between the two.

And more important, it should be realized in terms of a heavier penalty for a crime of hate, rather than an alleviated or unenforced consequence for a generic crime. Read about some of these attacks, and you'll see there is a big distinction.

Its a difficult part of the legal system indeed, and one that usually leads to me drinking. The problem with the way that it is enforced today is that it often leads to resentment against a victim of the hate crime because the perpetrator is actually held accountable for his or her actions. In generic crime that is usually not the case. The other issue raised, and please don't blast me on this, is that hate crime legislation tends to be onsided. A white man who is beaten by minorities usually doesn't get the same protection afforded when the situation is reversed. I know the system needs to exist, but it needs to be clarified alot

[Mariah]

"Fag stags." Love it.

Anyway, guys and gals... time for me to haul into bed. Night!
I am the original moho, I know all the lingo.

[Novaya Havoc]

Its a difficult part of the legal system indeed, and one that usually leads to me drinking. The problem with the way that it is enforced today is that it often leads to resentment against a victim of the hate crime because the perpetrator is actually held accountable for his or her actions. In generic crime that is usually not the case. The other issue raised, and please don't blast me on this, is that hate crime legislation tends to be onsided. A white man who is beaten by minorities usually doesn't get the same protection afforded when the situation is reversed. I know the system needs to exist, but it needs to be clarified alot

Agreed. Personally, I don't think the system would need to exist at all were we doing better in other areas: housing, employment, education, urban spending, welfare, et cetera. Considering in many places discrimination is not prevented in housing (at least for gays), employment, spending for public education, and (as some scholars might argue) with regard to lack of federal spending on inner cities, "hate crime legislation" seems like throwing a small bandaid to a bloodied fighter.

If things were better in other areas, I wouldn't see a need for it to exist. But seeing as how there is a lot of institutional and legal loopholes allowing for discrimination in the more overt sectors of public life, giving people some recourse with regard to crime and physical assault seems rather inconsequential.

And with that, my drunk ass is REALLY going to bed! Night all! Muah!

[Foley]

lol, don't worry. I have a power washer here. It can take the skin off of your hand with a few seconds of applied pressure.

please don't! i need my hand....believe me.....I NEED IT

[Foley]

Agreed. Personally, I don't think the system would need to exist at all were we doing better in other areas: housing, employment, education, urban spending, welfare, et cetera. Considering in many places discrimination is not prevented in housing (at least for gays), employment, spending for public education, and (as some scholars might argue) with regard to lack of federal spending on inner cities, "hate crime legislation" seems like throwing a small bandaid to a bloodied fighter.

If things were better in other areas, I wouldn't see a need for it to exist. But seeing as how there is a lot of institutional and legal loopholes allowing for discrimination in the more overt sectors of public life, giving people some recourse with regard to crime and physical assault seems rather inconsequential.

And with that, my drunk ass is REALLY going to bed! Night all! Muah!

g'night! s

[Foley]

Agreed. Personally, I don't think the system would need to exist at all were we doing better in other areas: housing, employment, education, urban spending, welfare, et cetera. Considering in many places discrimination is not prevented in housing (at least for gays), employment, spending for public education, and (as some scholars might argue) with regard to lack of federal spending on inner cities, "hate crime legislation" seems like throwing a small bandaid to a bloodied fighter.

If things were better in other areas, I wouldn't see a need for it to exist. But seeing as how there is a lot of institutional and legal loopholes allowing for discrimination in the more overt sectors of public life, giving people some recourse with regard to crime and physical assault seems rather inconsequential.

And with that, my drunk ass is REALLY going to bed! Night all! Muah!
g'night sleep well!

g'night. sleep well
g'night! sleep

[Mariah]

Agreed. Personally, I don't think the system would need to exist at all were we doing better in other areas: housing, employment, education, urban spending, welfare, et cetera. Considering in many places discrimination is not prevented in housing (at least for gays), employment, spending for public education, and (as some scholars might argue) with regard to lack of federal spending on inner cities, "hate crime legislation" seems like throwing a small bandaid to a bloodied fighter.

If things were better in other areas, I wouldn't see a need for it to exist. But seeing as how there is a lot of institutional and legal loopholes allowing for discrimination in the more overt sectors of public life, giving people some recourse with regard to crime and physical assault seems rather inconsequential.

And with that, my drunk ass is REALLY going to bed! Night all! Muah!
Good night sweetie, you had a marvelous debate. Sleep tight.

[Mariah]

please don't! i need my hand....believe me.....I NEED IT
For a stud like you? I don't see why

[Foley]

For a stud like you? I don't see why

Old age has set in dear. I don't really chase the ladies too much. I want them to come to me!

[Mariah]

Old age has set in dear. I don't really chase the ladies too much. I want them to come to me!
that's your problem babe. Girls like to be chased(except for me, I don't mind the hunt for fresh stag)

[Foley]

that's your problem babe. Girls like to be chased(except for me, I don't mind the hunt for fresh stag)

Besides, if i'm out chasing girls, I can't be here having a great discussion with ya'll and flirting

[Mariah]

Besides, if i'm out chasing girls, I can't be here having a great discussion with ya'll and flirting
Flirting? who does that on these boards? Anywhoo, stud, I'm off to bed

[Brian M.]

What a fucking tool. Good for you, I'm glad you served your country. You've done something I haven't and I respect that Scott. I support everything the military does.

On the other hand, your closeminded. I can't respect that. So if you'd like, I've got a some jelly and fireants. I'm gonna let Bubba over here apply the Jelly whereever he wants w/ whatever tool he wants, then we'll let the fireants find their way to the fun stuff. Go fuck yourself.

[Jake V]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/IantistarI/hayguyz.jpg

[Brian M.]

Flirting? who does that on these boards? Anywhoo, stud, I'm off to bed



Wait, I'm coming too.

[Foley]

Wait, I'm coming too.

not prematurely I hope? ya know, knoxville kinda boring sunday nights

[Foley]

Flirting? who does that on these boards? Anywhoo, stud, I'm off to bed

g'night dear. Don't let UTV's crabs bite:p

[Brian M.]

not prematurely I hope? ya know, knoxville kinda boring sunday nights

Yea it is. I was at Hanna's in the Old City for a while last night. I was very intoxicated. It was fun. Dam the rain though.

[Foley]

Yea it is. I was at Hanna's in the Old City for a while last night. I was very intoxicated. It was fun. Dam the rain though.

We went to Chili's on the strip and took advantage of 2 for 1 margarita's. I think we're gonna go out for a while tomorrow night.

[Brian M.]

We went to Chili's on the strip and took advantage of 2 for 1 margarita's. I think we're gonna go out for a while tomorrow night.

Thursday Blue Cats $.75 cent pitchers.