Let's Talk MMA!!

[Lord of Denial]

If it happens in the world of Mixed Martial Arts this is the thread to talk about it.


MMA General Topics

Who in your opinion is the best all-around fighter in the world and why?

Who do you feel will win the Pride Absolute Grand Prix?

[Royal]

If it happens in the world of Mixed Martial Arts this is the thread to talk about it.


MMA General Topics

Who in your opinion is the best all-around fighter in the world and why?

Who do you feel will win the Pride Absolute Grand Prix?

Fedor by default. He's a complete training machine. "Kid" Yamamoto in second.

Who will win the Absolute? That's tough.

I'm going with either Fujita or Nog right now.

[Lord of Denial]

What do you mean when you say by default?

I agree Fedor is the best fighter on the planet having beat everyone in his devision and those fighters are some of the best in the world and he owned them.

Fujita really. He is not know for being well-rounded. Sure he can take a shot but so can Mark Hunt and Big Nog. And Old Iron Head does not have an easy next fight taking on Silva.

I think it will be either Nog or Josh B winning it and facing Fedor at Shockwave 06 in jan.

I really don't Nog finally solving the Fedor puzzle or Josh being able to beat him either.

[Royal]

What do you mean when you say by default?


I mean until the next monster comes to take his place.

Here's Akihiro Gouno's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5uNLIz5k7Q) jab at DJ Ozma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEsA6MDbHWM).

[lboinyamouf4sho]

did anybody else order the last bushido?? it was a damn good show.
GOOD:
chonan vs joey villasenor was awesome, split decision that could've went either way with nobody being able to claim robbery imo.

ninja vs dennis kang. i love it whenever a chute boxe guy gets thoroughly like that, always seems to be ninja though.

mach vs olaf, :eek: DAMN mach straight up murdered his ass.

crazy horse vs kawajiri, nice rolling kneebar, but then again it is crazy horse.

aurellio vs ishida. ishida just would not stop and spent every once of gas he had trying to cement the win

misaki vs baroni, misaki just dismantled the new york loud mouth. he even managed to successfully xecute 2 STO's. had baroni flailing about missing his punches by a mile. misaki seemed to knopw what phil was going to throw before phil did.

BAD:
paulo filho vs whoever he fought. i hate to sound like a UFC fan but paulo is so fucking boring and so was this fight, and i enjoy a good ground war like diaz/sanchez, karo/diaz, mishima/aurellio, ogawa/yoshida, even some of nakamuras fights.

bustamonte vs suloev, not really bad but not good either.

gono vs lombard, xciting begining but then kind of fizzled. would've liked to see gono turn it up once lombard looked tired.

[Royal]

How the hell can you fall for two Space Tornados? Ridiculous.

And this was Lombard's first fight. He definatly needs refinment. Give credit though. He stuck with Gono the whole match.

I'm totally on the Kang the Conqueror bandwagon.

http://www.plexico.net/avengers/covers/avg008.jpg

[lboinyamouf4sho]

How the hell can you fall for two Space Tornados? Ridiculous.

And this was Lombard's first fight. He definatly needs refinment. Give credit though. He stuck with Gono the whole match.

I'm totally on the Kang the Conqueror bandwagon.

http://www.plexico.net/avengers/covers/avg008.jpg


no gasola, misaki was smart enough to only try that twards the end when he knew phil was spent. i've liked misaki since i saw him fight macaco, man that was a great fight. misaki's record in pride does not do him justice.

stick with him?? lombard almost finished gono in the 1st minute of the fight. i wonder had he not blown his wad so early how the fight would've went.

anybody who owns a chute boxe guy like that is aces in my book.

btw do you know what's up with IL?? everytime i try and get on not only can i not connect but my comp freezes up.

[Royal]

btw do you know what's up with IL?? everytime i try and get on not only can i not connect but my comp freezes up.

Sure it's not on your comp. IL works perfectly for me.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Sure it's not on your comp. IL works perfectly for me.


i guess so. strange though all the other sites i visit daily work fine.

[Royal]

Fight Opinion 21: Yakuzamania!! (http://www.fightopinion.com/2006/06/15/fight-opinion-radio-episode-21-fallout-between-fuji-tv-pride/)

[kmeyers]

If it happens in the world of Mixed Martial Arts this is the thread to talk about it.


MMA General Topics

Who in your opinion is the best all-around fighter in the world and why?.
Fedor. Even if someone eventually beats him, noone has really dominated such a strong heavyweight division for so long like he has. Who is there that can beat him?

Who do you feel will win the Pride Absolute Grand Prix?
GP...I'd like to see Mirko, or Barnett win it. I'd rather see Barnett win since Fedor already beat Mirko, but Fedor/Mirko could be a good rematch.

[Lord of Denial]

Fedor. Even if someone eventually beats him, noone has really dominated such a strong heavyweight division for so long like he has. Who is there that can beat him?


GP...I'd like to see Mirko, or Barnett win it. I'd rather see Barnett win since Fedor already beat Mirko, but Fedor/Mirko could be a good rematch.


Right now I can't see anyone beating Fedor he is just to well rounded and to damn focused. I actually don't think I have ever seen a fighter with the mental clarity and focus Fedor possesses. He never panics and no one gets inside his head. The man just is a fighting machine.

Now If he comes back from his injury and has lost a step or loss some of his drive to train and win than an upset could happen. But that is highly unlikely.

I would love to see Mirko and Fedor II. Last time Fedor had the perfect game plan to shut Mirko down. It would be really interesting to see what adjustments Mirko has made and if Fedor has readjusted his gameplan as well.

[Lord of Denial]

It is pretty sad to see what has happened to Ninja as of late. He is now the " Gatekeeper" of the middleweight devision.


And Dennis Kang is looking amazing. I really see a huge future for this kid.

Kang The Conquerer indeed.

[Royal]

It's great to see the FTT finally recognized by a major MMA organization. Especially with legislation going on to brand them outlaws in their home country.

[kmeyers]

unfadable, er...unFedor-ble.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8055308976260561043&q=fedor

and

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8762652198751834650&q=fedor

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Right now I can't see anyone beating Fedor he is just to well rounded and to damn focused. I actually don't think I have ever seen a fighter with the mental clarity and focus Fedor possesses. He never panics and no one gets inside his head. The man just is a fighting machine.

Now If he comes back from his injury and has lost a step or loss some of his drive to train and win than an upset could happen. But that is highly unlikely.

I would love to see Mirko and Fedor II. Last time Fedor had the perfect game plan to shut Mirko down. It would be really interesting to see what adjustments Mirko has made and if Fedor has readjusted his gameplan as well.


having the right gameplan is a huge part of fedors success imo, and then when you think you know what his gameplan is going to be, he switches it up on you. fedor is like roddy piper in that way. just when you think you got all the answers, he changes the questions.

[kmeyers]

having the right gameplan is a huge part of fedors success imo, and then when you think you know what his gameplan is going to be, he switches it up on you. fedor is like roddy piper in that way. just when you think you got all the answers, he changes the questions.
Except Roddy Piper is pretend.

[Totoro Man]

yeah, he's pretend. but based on interviews I've seen with him he's REALLY funny!

like that Joe Bob Briggs interview on TNT Monster-vision where Piper says

"I love my fans, I really do. they're why I keep doing what I'm doing... but I really wish they'd stop stabbing me!"

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Except Roddy Piper is pretend.

yeah right, sure it's pretend.

[Lord of Denial]

having the right gameplan is a huge part of fedors success imo, and then when you think you know what his gameplan is going to be, he switches it up on you. fedor is like roddy piper in that way. just when you think you got all the answers, he changes the questions.


Totally agree! Look at his fights with Nog. He spent the entire first fight in the most lethal guard in the game and hit him at will for 3 rounds. Then after the headbutt in the 2nd fight they fought again at Shockwave 2004 and Nog said that he really worked his ground game and made the adjustments that would allow him to combats Fedor's GnP. What did Fedor do he forced it into a standup fight and dismantles Nog on his feet.

And then in the Cro-cop fight everyone was saying how is Fedor going to avoid getting blasted by that LHK and Fedor simply forced the fight. Never letting Mirko plant his feet and constantly pushing the pace.

Fedor is a thinking mans fighter. Sure his skills are amazing but his mental game is what makes him the best.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Totally agree! Look at his fights with Nog. He spent the entire first fight in the most lethal guard in the game and hit him at will for 3 rounds. Then after the headbutt in the 2nd fight they fought again at Shockwave 2004 and Nog said that he really worked his ground game and made the adjustments that would allow him to combats Fedor's GnP. What did Fedor do he forced it into a standup fight and dismantles Nog on his feet.

And then in the Cro-cop fight everyone was saying how is Fedor going to avoid getting blasted by that LHK and Fedor simply forced the fight. Never letting Mirko plant his feet and constantly pushing the pace.

Fedor is a thinking mans fighter. Sure his skills are amazing but his mental game is what makes him the best.

people including myself wondered what would happen when he faced a superior wrestler that would put fedor on his back for a change, and look what happend, coleman took him down put him on his back and fedor put an armbar on him. then does fedor have a chin?? fujita hit him flush with a huge haymaker tat fedor on dreamstreet, he came back blasted fujita with a liverkick hook combo and then choked him out. all that's left for fedor to show us is a highkick.

[kmeyers]

people including myself wondered what would happen when he faced a superior wrestler that would put fedor on his back for a change, and look what happend, coleman took him down put him on his back and fedor put an armbar on him. then does fedor have a chin?? fujita hit him flush with a huge haymaker tat fedor on dreamstreet, he came back blasted fujita with a liverkick hook combo and then choked him out. all that's left for fedor to show us is a highkick.
He threw a high kick at Mirko!

Fedor has a great chin. Fujita did rock him, he wobbled and recovered immediately. Randleman dropped him on his head. That would have most likely paralyzed anyone else. Didn't even phase Fedor.

[Lord of Denial]

He threw a high kick at Mirko!

Fedor has a great chin. Fujita did rock him, he wobbled and recovered immediately. Randleman dropped him on his head. That would have most likely paralyzed anyone else. Didn't even phase Fedor.


Judo helps. You can see just before impact with the mat he shifts his weight and head position so that he takes more of it on the shoulders and upper back. Judo is great for learning proper breakfalls and lessening impacts.

And I have said before the biggest asset he has in that situation is he did not panic or try to fight it. If he did he would have not been able to make the adjustments he did and he would have gotten hurt pretty bad.

That's why he is the best HW and P4P fighter on the face of the planet.

The Fujita shot was a really dangerous one at that. It was right on the temple and that is a place you don't want to get hit. A guy at my gym got hit with a overhand right in the temple and a couple days later he had a mild stroke. He's fine but still scarey

[kmeyers]

Does anyone else think Wanderlei is crazy entering the GP? He loses to Hunt, because Hunt is bigger and has an incredible chin...but still thinks he's going to KO Fujita. FUJITA!

Silva hasn't looked very good his last few fights. He may be in trouble soon.

[Lord of Denial]

Does anyone else think Wanderlei is crazy entering the GP? He loses to Hunt, because Hunt is bigger and has an incredible chin...but still thinks he's going to KO Fujita. FUJITA!

Silva hasn't looked very good his last few fights. He may be in trouble soon.


Yeah I can't see him KOing Fujita either. He may be able to win it on the judges score cards. Fujita's chin is second only to Hunts and Nogs a KO is something hard to come by for Silva at a 50 pound weight disadvantage.

[Royal]

Where's he gonna hide the crowbar?

[Royal]

The Punk trys to get on ESPN....The hard way.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/battle/news/2006/06/18/images/KFullNormal20060618074_l.jpg

from FightOpinion....

Some fighters prefer to train in exhausting workout sessions in deserted places. And then there is Ikuhisa Minowa, who prefers to train by participating in the Japanese qualifying tournament round of the Nathan’s Hot Dog Eating Contest in Tokyo. Minowa was able to get 6 hot dogs in 12 minutes, while the winner savaged 19 hot dogs in 12 minutes. Minowa said that at first it was both delicious and painful to eat the hot dogs, but it quickly became “hot dog hell” for him.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

so bart gunn busted cabbage up, hahaha. proved me totally wrong, i said bart would need more than 1 lucky punch to win this 1 because of cabbage's chin. still funny as hell. now that bart & bean have both beat cabbage is a rematch in the works??

[Royal]

so bart gunn busted cabbage up, hahaha. proved me totally wrong, i said bart would need more than 1 lucky punch to win this 1 because of cabbage's chin. still funny as hell. now that bart & bean have both beat cabbage is a rematch in the works??

Knowing JD, possibly. If it gets butts in the seats.

[mistervader]

Can anyone tell me more about the MMA guy who dances a lot both in his entrances and in his actual matches? I'm really curious about him. Is his name Genki Sudo or something?

[Jamal]

Royal turn me on Genki Sudo the guy is awesome A guy who not only likes to have fun and totally up hold the warriors code in the ring. I'm still learning more about him so I'll let Royal fill you in the on the rest. You can also check him out on youtube.

[Royal]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1241-SudoTakaya103HEROS3.jpg

Genki Sudo. He used to be the top name in the UFC Lightweight Div. until he took on Duane Ludwig. The judges did a terrible job on that fight. Even though Genki was the more aggresive in the fight, the judges awarded the title to Ludwig. This pushed Genki (and later on, the whole UFC Lightweight Div.) to fight in Japan under the K-1 banner. He just recently had his first loss at the hands of "KID" Yamamoto for the HEROS Middleweight Championship.

His theory of "Every Movement Has Purpose" has been widely adopted by the MMA community.

[Jamal]

I remember you saying he lost to Kid Yamamoto but I didn't realize that that was his first lost. I got to move updated on the MMA, I've been so much into boxing lately that I haven't kept up enough. But Royal has been a big help.:D

[mistervader]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/1241-SudoTakaya103HEROS3.jpg

Genki Sudo. He used to be the top name in the UFC Lightweight Div. until he took on Duane Ludwig. The judges did a terrible job on that fight. Even though Genki was the more aggresive in the fight, the judges awarded the title to Ludwig. This pushed Genki (and later on, the whole UFC Lightweight Div.) to fight in Japan under the K-1 banner. He just recently had his first loss at the hands of "KID" Yamamoto for the HEROS Middleweight Championship.

His theory of "Every Movement Has Purpose" has been widely adopted by the MMA community.
And the purpose of his dancing is...?

I don't suppose it's just for flash because he's been winning so much...

[Lord of Denial]

Here's a topic

Who do you think has the best and worst sportsmanship in MMA?

[Royal]

And the purpose of his dancing is...?

I don't suppose it's just for flash because he's been winning so much...

To dispell negative energies and replace them with positive.

He's chasing away bad juju.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I remember you saying he lost to Kid Yamamoto but I didn't realize that that was his first lost. I got to move updated on the MMA, I've been so much into boxing lately that I haven't kept up enough. But Royal has been a big help.:D


i thought that fight was stopped too early. his 1st loss was to ludwig in UFC but was a pretty shitty situation which lead to rules being changed afterwards.

[Royal]

i thought that fight was stopped too early. his 1st loss was to ludwig in UFC but was a pretty shitty situation which lead to rules being changed afterwards.

I don't think that one should really count. I mean they gave it to Ludwig basically because he was American. I don't think any fighter and their mom thinks it counts.

[mistervader]

Here's a topic

Who do you think has the best and worst sportsmanship in MMA?
I'm tempted to say Ortiz has one of the worst attitudes when winning, although he's sort of a gracious loser.

[Royal]

Best: Genki Sudo.

Worst: Ryan Gracie.

[kmeyers]

Best: Genki Sudo.

Worst: Ryan Gracie.

Fedor is the most gracius champ ever in the history of dominating champions.

It may be because he's a cyborg, but still..

worst...anyone who makes excuses for their loss...

Brazilians seem to be an excuse factory.

[Taltos]

I cant really say who the best mma fighter is but Georges st pierre is definantly my favorite.

So i imagine you all caught the ultimate finale. I thought it was a great show. I was very shocked at how easily ken flo handled Stout. I had predicted stout stomping kenny. This prediction was mainly based off of the fisher stout fight, which imho was the best fight ive ever seen.

[marshal99]

How about that former UFC guy , Bas Rutten ? Didn't he like had a unbeaten winning streak before he retired ? All of his losses in his record were when he was starting out ?

[lboinyamouf4sho]

How about that former UFC guy , Bas Rutten ? Didn't he like had a unbeaten winning streak before he retired ? All of his losses in his record were when he was starting out ?

his last fight was in 99 against kevin randleman in a fight many people thought randleman was robbed. it's been too long since i last saw the fight to say 4sho, but i remember thinking randleman should've won at the time. anyways basito has been doing commentary for pride in japan for several years now as well as training other fighters, but he's set for a comeback fight against kimo on the 22nd of july. kimo's been far more active the last few years but i xpect bas will take him out. hopefully this is only a 1 time thing because i woud dearly miss el guapo as the voice of pride, i need my livershots.

[Lord of Denial]

Best Sportsmanship- Randy Couture and Fedor


Worst- Gilbert Yvel- Punched a ref and likes to cheat, Wes Sims- just a all around asshole.

[Royal]

his last fight was in 99 against kevin randleman in a fight many people thought randleman was robbed. it's been too long since i last saw the fight to say 4sho, but i remember thinking randleman should've won at the time. anyways basito has been doing commentary for pride in japan for several years now as well as training other fighters, but he's set for a comeback fight against kimo on the 22nd of july. kimo's been far more active the last few years but i xpect bas will take him out. hopefully this is only a 1 time thing because i woud dearly miss el guapo as the voice of pride, i need my livershots.

You mean Coach for The IFL.

He no longer works for PRIDE.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

You mean Coach for The IFL.

He no longer works for PRIDE.

he didn't call the OWGP?? i thought he had barely came back a few shows ago??

[Royal]

he didn't call the OWGP?? i thought he had barely came back a few shows ago??

He called First Round, but quit after cause The Biochemists overbooked him again.

[Royal]

Here ya go...

1. Pawel Nastula vs. Edson Drago
2. Yoshihiro Nakao vs. Lee Eun-Su
3. Yoshiki Takahashi vs. Vitor Belfort
4. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Alistair Overeem
5. Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Evangelista Cyborg
6. Open-Weight GP 2nd Round: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Fabricio Werdum

Intermission

7. Open-Weight GP 2nd Round: Kazuyuki Fujita vs. Vanderlei Silva
8. Open-Weight GP 2nd Round: Josh Barnett vs. Mark Hunt
9. Open-Weight GP 2nd Round: Hidehiko Yoshida vs. Mirko Cro Cop

[Totoro Man]

there's a lot of them out there... please provide a brief description of why you were impressed.

the first one I can think of was between Gary Goodridge and Daijiro Matsui because they both put up a pretty dynamic and varied fight. Goodridge put on some pretty good armbars and Matsui put on some amazing escapes. one of the most closely matched fights I can remember--you really didn't know who was gonna win that fight (okay, I didn't).

I also remember a fight between Chuck Liddell and Randy Couture... because it looked like Chuck was gonna win in that first round... but then in the second he'd lost his energy and got dominated. not what I was expecting (I think this was their first match together).

[Royal]

Anderson "Spiderman" Silva vs. "The Cat Smasher" Chris Leben: Winner gets a shot at Rich.
"The American Psycho" Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans
Luke Cummo vs. Jonathan Goulet
Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne
Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark "Dynomite" Hominick
Jason Lambert vs. "The Branden Lee Hinkle Experiance"
Justin Levens vs. Jorge Santiago
"The Weather Underground" Kristian Rothaermel vs. Rob MacDonald

[Royal]

Zach Arnold talks about the Japanese MMA scene.

Check it here (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3300696&postcount=4498)

[Royal]

Anybody watch UFN? And if you did, does that mean Leben's going to Japan?

[Taltos]

*whistles* silva beat that ass. Ive watched the fight bout five times on DVR and i gotta say Franklin is in trouble. I mean im not sure how leban and rich match -up, and i didnt see rich's fight with the crow; but if his last fight with tanner is any indication as to where he is as a striker, silvas going give him trouble.

Royal: Leban is to Silva as Tito is to Chuck.

[Royal]

Leben is nowhere near Silva's league.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

*whistles* silva beat that ass. Ive watched the fight bout five times on DVR and i gotta say Franklin is in trouble. I mean im not sure how leban and rich match -up, and i didnt see rich's fight with the crow; but if his last fight with tanner is any indication as to where he is as a striker, silvas going give him trouble.

Royal: Leban is to Silva as Tito is to Chuck.

silva is a sucker for flying heel hooks:cool: rich needs to go study under my boy ryo chonan.

[Lord of Denial]

Yeah Silva is the real deal and was a great fighter in Pride. Leben was simply outclassed and got his ass handed to him. I still think Rich would beat Anderson because Rich is more well-rounded and would see that Silva may be the better striker and take it to the ground where Rich should have an advantage.


I also forever have sworn off of watching Evans ever fight again. The man is right up there with Ricardo Arona as a lay-an-pray artist. He never even tries to advance his position. I doubt he even knows how to finish a fight seeing as how all his wins in TUF and the UFC are by judges DC. He is god awful boring and does not belong in the big time.

[Lord of Denial]

silva is a sucker for flying heel hooks:cool: rich needs to go study under my boy ryo chonan.


I that was an truly amazing submission. It seemingly came out of nowhere.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I that was an truly amazing submission. It seemingly came out of nowhere.

true, but what pisses me off is that people act as if silva was owning chonan up till that point. imo ryo was well on his way to a decision victory and it took huge balls to even attempt that submission when he didn't have to. chonan did a number on silvas leg in that fight.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Yeah Silva is the real deal and was a great fighter in Pride. Leben was simply outclassed and got his ass handed to him. I still think Rich would beat Anderson because Rich is more well-rounded and would see that Silva may be the better striker and take it to the ground where Rich should have an advantage.




i don't know about this, i think silva may have the better ground game of the 2, should be an awesome fight.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

anybody ordering prides OWGP this weekend or follwing the pbp tonight?? if reading the pbp please don't spoil in this thread, i'm ordering it this sunday.

[Royal]

I'm reading the pbp

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I'm reading the pbp

are you going to order the ppv too??

[Royal]

nah. Too po.

Get it through other means.

There are a couple of shockers.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

nah. Too po.

Get it through other means.

There are a couple of shockers.


cool, just hope the suspense doesn't kill me before sunday.