League of Extrodinary Gentlemen: Black Dossier [Archive]

Brandon Hanvey

06-14-2006, 06:34 PM

According to Amzaon (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/140120306X/sr=8-1/qid=1150335092/ref=sr_1_1/002-3730154-1965669?%5Fencoding=UTF8) the book is coming out October 25, 2006 from Wildstorm.

As for League not being "indie", it is my understanding that this was the last League book that Moore was contracted to publish with DC/WS. Any future books will be published by Top Shelf.

sgt pepper

06-14-2006, 07:17 PM

cuz a LOEG w/o Hyde and Invisible Man = super suckness :mad:

Enjoying the rape scenes?

Lazy_Fiend

06-14-2006, 08:16 PM

doomworm

06-20-2006, 10:58 PM

any thoughts?

cool. :)

Lex

06-24-2006, 10:31 PM

I'm looking forward to Black Dossier. I loved the idea of past Leagues and always hoped that Moore would explore them one day.

i_mmmchocolate

06-25-2006, 10:55 AM

I can't wait for this and I hope Jess Nevins' writes another unofficial companion.

Kelly Tindall

06-26-2006, 09:57 PM

This is my number one book right now.

I will step over anything for it, I am absolutely mad with impatience.

-K.

lostphrack

06-27-2006, 03:15 AM

I'm really looking forward to this. They seem to keep adding stuff onto it too.

Speaking off.. I was wondering if anyone heard anything new about the CD that was mentioned a while back? I noticed it wasn't listed in the solicits for the initial release and was wondering if it's been scrapped all together or bumped to an Absolute Edition exclusive or something?

Jack Destruct

06-27-2006, 03:36 AM

Knowing how Alan Moore's work is normally treated by the publishers - ie, HC only for a long while, and overpriced (oops, I mean oversized) Absolutes down the track - then it probably will be included in a later Absolute-style edition and not in the standard edition straight away.

I could be wrong though.

(BTW, I apologise for the long sentence - trying to be witty with a headache usually leads to such mishaps.)

lostphrack

06-28-2006, 12:59 AM

Ugh, that's what I'm afraid of. I really hope that's not the case but.. yeah, blech. Ah well, thanks!

i_mmmchocolate

07-02-2006, 11:55 AM

Has it been released yet?

lostphrack

07-02-2006, 10:03 PM

It's currently set for an Oct release, with the Absolute edition coming out late Dec. early Jan. I believe.

Web of Fear

07-20-2006, 02:44 PM

OK, everyone here probably already knows about this and I am way behind the times but, check this out. I just found it:

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5977

Kelly Tindall

07-20-2006, 02:55 PM

Oh hell yes.

Jack Destruct

07-21-2006, 01:14 AM

Cool, we get an official date.

Also, Kevin's art looks a lot cleaner than in the first two books.

Kara Zor El

08-03-2006, 08:29 AM

Cool, we get an official date.

Also, Kevin's art looks a lot cleaner than in the first two books.
That's his genius as an artist because he wants to show that these are different, cleaner times.

ultramandingo

08-03-2006, 06:52 PM

tiajuana bible and 3-d !!!!!!..........cant wait for the hollywood version of this one!

i_mmmchocolate

08-04-2006, 08:28 AM

OK, everyone here probably already knows about this and I am way behind the times but, check this out. I just found it:

http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=5977

It has also been updated at Amazon.com too. I was updating my Wish List and noticed it.

DJ Sloofus

08-08-2006, 06:12 AM

They've already solicited an Absolute edition? Really? Where did you hear that? That sounds crazy. I thought the 'absolute' were supposed to be more of an 'archival/old stuff' format, not par for the course. Not that I don't expect LOEG III to be mindblowing, but give it at least a year...not three months!

DouglasDanger

08-08-2006, 06:40 AM

.....
lol
no
but they were the characters that added the intrigue
the rest are pretty moral
it was always "When is hyde gonna snap..."
and same for Invisible
idk
heard it was a new League though
different time period
any thoughts?

Is it too much to ask for something resembling normal sentence structure?

I think the new LoEG looks very interesting. I really like the idea of there being many leagues, but only one existing at a time.

benday-dot

09-13-2006, 06:07 PM

Delay... http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=83723

Alas, a few months more for it now... sometime in early 2007 now I suspect. I know it will be worth it, but when you were expecting it just around the corner, after an already marathon wait it's a real bummer. Needless to say the Moore/O'Neill opus when it does finally arrive is going to be nothing short of extraordinary.

Web of Fear

09-14-2006, 12:33 AM

Blast. Just when it was around the corner too. Oh well ... I am sure it will be worth the wait though

Tobias March

09-16-2006, 01:57 PM

I'm looking forward to Black Dossier. I loved the idea of past Leagues and always hoped that Moore would explore them one day.

The various teams mentioned in Volume 2 were fantastic. Any more Jose Ferrer type riffing Moore can dream up is more than welcome.

Tobias March

09-16-2006, 02:00 PM

tiajuana bible and 3-d !!!!!!..........cant wait for the hollywood version of this one!

Bite your tongue boy!

If I ever meet Stephen Norrington, he's getting a KNIFE TO THE EYE!

Punch

09-25-2006, 12:34 PM

I though that the casting of the film was pretty good, though. Except Mina, who we all know should be played by Winona Ryder.

Too bad about the rest of it, like the actual story. Ah well, there's always next time.

Kelly Tindall

09-25-2006, 12:38 PM

Fun fact: Mina was originally to be played by Monica Bellucci.

Who, as science has proven, is the sexiest woman alive. The movie still would have been a total piece of trash, but anything with Bellucci is certainly worth a look.

-K.

the film freak

09-25-2006, 10:16 PM

Fun fact: Mina was originally to be played by Monica Bellucci.

She also played one of the vampire chicks in Bram Stokers Dracula.

Bazooka Tooth

09-25-2006, 11:45 PM

Monica Bellucci?

dayummmmm. just, dayummmmm.

BladeAvenger

11-13-2006, 03:44 AM

Why hasn't this been released yet?

Brock

11-17-2006, 02:46 AM

Why hasn't this been released yet?

Careful now, remember the tale of "Timmy Teague" from LoEG Vol 2? :)

ABC solicted this way to early, and were very unmindful of past delays. At present the amazon ship date stands at late Feb 2007 (not that the accuracy of amazon ship dates counts for much, still.....) I figure it will ship some time in early summer.

DJ Sloofus

11-18-2006, 03:50 AM

You think Moore's writing LOEG stories with current fictional characters, with the hopes that by the time they finally see print, they'll seem like antiquated ones?

It seems to be that way. Let's get this book rolling!!

Lee Kaye

11-18-2006, 07:31 AM

I am so looking forward to this. I loved the artwork and the story was just so much fun.

rwe1138

11-19-2006, 02:50 PM

Waiting makes me sad. :(

Gaspard

11-20-2006, 08:58 AM

Has there been a preview of this? Anyone know what's it about?

stealthwise

12-30-2006, 12:51 AM

http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=5977

Here's a preview. Date's been moved to Oct. 2007.

...

Dammit.

Bazooka Tooth

12-30-2006, 12:54 AM

Oct '07?

ouh crap.

rwe1138

12-30-2006, 12:31 PM

October? 2007? Gah! Why must they tease us so? :(

Predator

12-30-2006, 04:58 PM

This book better be really good to wait this long! :mad:

BeastieRunner

12-30-2006, 05:53 PM

This book better be really good to wait this long! :mad:

I agree. I really like the League so it better be awesome after all this wait.

Monkey

12-31-2006, 06:33 AM

As I understand it we Limeys get it in Feb 07.

rwe1138

12-31-2006, 12:48 PM

As I understand it we Limeys get it in Feb 07.

Dammit! I knew that whole "independence" thing was a bad idea. This just proves it! :mad: (;))

stealthwise

12-31-2006, 11:20 PM

As I understand it we Limeys get it in Feb 07.

Highly doubtful, but good with waiting in the store for that one.

Monkey

01-01-2007, 08:21 AM

Highly doubtful, but good with waiting in the store for that one.

It's ordered. It arrives when it arrives.

Predator

01-01-2007, 05:23 PM

I agree. I really like the League so it better be awesome after all this wait.

My post was actually a bit more emphatic than it appears now. Guess that was a bit rude on my part. Or not. Whatever.

ANYwho, it's delays like this that make me realize a big reason why comics will never be respected as a true medium by mainstream culture. If artists, writers, and companies want to truly be seen as a "legitimate" form of popular entertainment, they need to stop dragging their feet and start getting their books out on time. It's all well and good that the final product is good, but it actually does do harm when the book is late. Television manages to keep a consistent schedule, and movies aren't serialized so they don't really have to worry about this problem. Some may say that these comparisons aren't fair, but these are the forces comics have to contend with, and in terms of scheduling they are fighting a losing battle.

I do applaud the creators who get their books out on time. These are the true professionals who are worthy of praise unlike their sloppy counterparts.

Ronald Bryan

01-01-2007, 05:43 PM

Unless you suffered through the first two seasons of Lost, which was hampered by slow shoots to the point that there would be one new episode, then a week or two of repeats before the next new episode.

But then, getting to the title in question, wouldn't it be considered more like a movie, being a graphic novel, instead of serialized? And movies are shuffled around and delayed all the time. One recent example being Serenity getting moved from early summer to fall.

stealthwise

01-01-2007, 06:35 PM

I do applaud the creators who get their books out on time. These are the true professionals who are worthy of praise unlike their sloppy counterparts.

I wouldn't call either Moore or O'Neill unprofessional, as it was DC who listed a completely unrealistic deadline for the book. As a self-contained graphic novel, it's well within reason to take the time to ensure quality for a project like this, but it appears that Wildstorm/DC jumped the gun on an expected finish date. Also, Moore doesn't appear to be in a rush to work on the last project for a company that's screwed him over and lied to him several times.

Agentum

01-01-2007, 07:43 PM

I don't thin being late with something like this is that bad, i think being late with those ordinary monthly titles is a lot worse.
I mean they get paid for this story done, it's not only some issues in a onthly title.
So i don't see the big problem, when it's done it's done.

Predator

01-01-2007, 09:20 PM

I wouldn't call either Moore or O'Neill unprofessional, as it was DC who listed a completely unrealistic deadline for the book. As a self-contained graphic novel, it's well within reason to take the time to ensure quality for a project like this, but it appears that Wildstorm/DC jumped the gun on an expected finish date. Also, Moore doesn't appear to be in a rush to work on the last project for a company that's screwed him over and lied to him several times.

I honestly don't know if Moore and O'Neil or DC are the causes in this example, but whomever it is is the unprofessional one in this case. There are numerous creators in the business who act in this manner, and we all know who they are. The fact that they continue to do so is a real shame for the medium.

It's sad that a man like Moore has so little respect for his fans, but I suppose that ego is just a part of the business.

Some have no problem with the waiting, but to all the people who bitch about why comics aren't taken seriously, this is a big reason why they should NEVER be! If you think the hardcore fan bitching is bad, imagine what it would be on a wider scale.

As for the movie comparison, yes I suppose this is a bit different, but movies aren't solicited. Comics are. A delay is a delay.

Titan76

01-02-2007, 01:41 AM

It's sad that a man like Moore has so little respect for his fans, but I suppose that ego is just a part of the business.
Can you back this claim up? Because I have never heard of Moore having little respect for his fans, DC and Marvel yes but not the fans.

Some have no problem with the waiting, but to all the people who bitch about why comics aren't taken seriously, this is a big reason why they should NEVER be! If you think the hardcore fan bitching is bad, imagine what it would be on a wider scale.
Fans bitch when monthly comics like Ultimates and All-Star Batman don't come out on time. A GN is way different. Like someone else said they are like movies, you get the whole story at once not just an issue at a time. So for them to take their time on a GN isn't really a shame.

As for the movie comparison, yes I suppose this is a bit different, but movies aren't solicited. Comics are. A delay is a delay.
:confused:
Movies get official release dates just like Graphic Novels do and just like Graphic Novels there have been lots of movies that have pushed back their release dates for said reasons.

Predator

01-02-2007, 01:56 PM

Can you back this claim up? Because I have never heard of Moore having little respect for his fans, DC and Marvel yes but not the fans.

Fans bitch when monthly comics like Ultimates and All-Star Batman don't come out on time. A GN is way different. Like someone else said they are like movies, you get the whole story at once not just an issue at a time. So for them to take their time on a GN isn't really a shame.

I think his nonchalant attitude towards making his books speak volumes about his lack of respect. If he had more, he would work harder to put books out in a more timely fashion. He doesn't, so he doesn't.

I guess I'm seeing a delayed monthly the same way as a delayed TPB. ie: They are still delayed. Movies and televison may have delays buy they are better than comics 9 times out of 10.

Monkey

01-02-2007, 02:01 PM

Movies and televison may have delays buy they are better than comics 9 times out of 10.

You can't have worked for a TV or Radio station then.

We just see comics as always being late because they are published very much on the fly and in great quantity. Doesn't make it right, but don't think for one min that it only happens in comics.

Kelly Tindall

01-02-2007, 02:08 PM

lostphrack

01-02-2007, 02:57 PM

http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=5977

Here's a preview. Date's been moved to Oct. 2007.

That's good and bad. Bad because it's so far away, good because it gives me plenty of time to pick up a record player.

Predator

01-02-2007, 03:08 PM

Thank god we've got a straight shooter like you, Predator, to keep creators honest.

I'm not being sarcastic, either. I really believe that your complaints are valid and, in this case, completely justified. I hope that Alan and Kevin both read your posts and work faster and smarter from now on.

I hope to hear from you in the future, and I hope that you continue to post often. Have a really good day. You've made mine that much better.

I'm not being sarcastic, either.

It's nice to know you're being so honest and geniune. It's always a joy to chat with mature individuals such as yourself.

And by the way, I'm not being sarcastic either.

Again, the main point I'm trying to make is that if a book is going to be solicited, it should be put out on time, not suffer several delays and be pushed more than a year back. Events such as this show how unprepared the comics industry is to be a "mainstream player." I don't know if it's Moore, O'Neil, or DC who are responsible, but it's clearly that party's fault for this.

If I sound like an old grouch, I'm sorry, but it's events like this that make me feel ashamed to support comics.

I've said my piece.

stealthwise

01-02-2007, 05:55 PM

It's nice to know you're being so honest and geniune. It's always a joy to chat with mature individuals such as yourself.

And by the way, I'm not being sarcastic either.

Again, the main point I'm trying to make is that if a book is going to be solicited, it should be put out on time, not suffer several delays and be pushed more than a year back. Events such as this show how unprepared the comics industry is to be a "mainstream player." I don't know if it's Moore, O'Neil, or DC who are responsible, but it's clearly that party's fault for this.

It's been said elsewhere (I can't remember exactly where, as it's been so long now), but DC has numerously solicited books of Moore's that were nowhere NEAR ready for publication, usually without informing Moore ahead of time.

I understand your frustration, but in this particular case it shouldn't be directed at the creative team.

unkiedev

01-02-2007, 08:43 PM

Predator, not to flame, but I think your gripe is with DC, not Moore and O'neil.

Think about it this way: For this comic to get done the first thing that needs to happen is Moore needs to write the script. He's been working in comics for over 20 years, most of it on monthly books. He ain't no slow poke. This script could have been finished as early as 2005.

Next that gets passed off to O'neil. Who knows how long he's been working on it. You could get mad at HIM if you want, but he's not the target that Moore is.

If a book ain't done it ain't done. If it's been solicited for OCT. 2007 then it wasn't anywhere NEAR finished...DC should have known better.

Kelly Tindall

01-02-2007, 10:23 PM

Pred, (can I call you Pred?) I don't know if you collected the second series, but the last issue was six months late. Personally, I'd prefer that they published the whole thing in one big novel and have it done, rather than suffer delay after delay.

I see your point, and I ultimately agree when it's Marvel or DC (who made their bones on regular, cheap comics and now force-feed expensive comics whenever they feel it's necessary) but LEAGUE is ultimately a creator-owned book, and it's not a tentpole title, either.

I feel your anger, while well-stated, is in this regard misplaced.

-K.

Reptisaurus!

01-03-2007, 02:11 AM

I completely agree with Predator. Getting worthless bullshit out ON TIME is a much more noble goal than making us wait for something that's worth reading. Notice how writers like Thomas Pynchon and J.D. Sallinger take FOREVER between books (because they don't respect their readers) and how books will never be respected as an artform.

dancj

01-03-2007, 04:21 AM

ultramandingo

05-03-2007, 05:55 PM

awwwww crap....

"Since the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen The Black Dossier HC has
been delayed with no firm release date we have decided to ship the rest
of your order and then ship League of Extraordinary Gentlemen The Black
Dossier HC upon release. There will be no added shipping charge for the
additional shipment."

2334Paydan

05-11-2007, 12:04 PM

ANYwho, it's delays like this that make me realize a big reason why comics will never be respected as a true medium by mainstream culture. If artists, writers, and companies want to truly be seen as a "legitimate" form of popular entertainment, they need to stop dragging their feet and start getting their books out on time. It's all well and good that the final product is good, but it actually does do harm when the book is late. Television manages to keep a consistent schedule, and movies aren't serialized so they don't really have to worry about this problem. Some may say that these comparisons aren't fair,

Not only is your comparison unfair, it's also insane.

Weekly Tv shows like, say Scrubs have a set number of episodes per season, usually, 24. The "regular tv season" generally is understood to run from September to November, taking a break for December and January and then you have the February sweeps, with another break and then everything ends in May, which gives us 4 months of bullshit reality shows. The only reason that a tv show can have 24 episodes per season is because of the set "breaks" in the schedule, which allow the writers/producers/directors/actors to catch up/ take a break/have some down time/shoot new episodes.

With movies, release dates usually aren't finalized until after the movie is in post production, and even then the dates often change.

With comics it's a completely different universe. You have to put out an issue EVERY ****ING MONTH. You don't get to take time off. This is one of the things that Neil Gaiman has said that he didn't get or understand when he first started on Sandman and it was only after he was around 9 issues in and the series had some legs that he realized how fucked he was. Yeah, if you're writing Superman/Batman etc you can always write some bullshit fill-story and have a crappy artist draw it, but Gaiman didn't have that luxury.

You obviously have absolutely no experience or true understanding of how the movie/tv and comic book industries work.

Ryan Day

05-11-2007, 12:18 PM

With comics it's a completely different universe. You have to put out an issue EVERY ****ING MONTH.

No, you don't have to. Companies insist on doing it because it's tradition, even when they should know better. They no more have to publish a book ever month than a TV show has to have a new episode every week.

Many creative teams can't handle monthly books. So why not schedule them bi-monthly? Or do four issues, then take a break for a couple months. Or any number of options.

Mind you, none of this is relevant to Black Dossier, which is an OGN. Most publishers don't announce books and then publish them a year later. (Though yes, it does happen) Which leads me to wonder what on Earth DC was thinking soliciting it for last year - it can't have been even remotely close to completion.

I don't care how long it takes to get the book done - well, frankly, I want LOEG every month, but that ain't gonna happen - but publishers need to stop jumping the gun when they should really know better.