Worst Marvel Comic You've Purchased ...

[Spidergreg]

I'll start. Spider-Man India

[Angel of Death]

Punisher: Bloody Valentine

[Red Lotus]

identity disc. I got the first issue and the art was so bad I didn't care about getting anymore.

[kel25]

I'll start. Spider-Man India

I have to agree. It’s another telling of the SM origin. It’s been done to death so I have a hard time getting behind any SM origin story.

At the same time it came across as a story to show that not all people in that area of the world are crazy.

I read the whole story expecting something different and it ended up being nothing special.

[Lonewalker]

I got Identity Disc solely for Deadpool, and even so, I wish I never did.

Anything from Marvel Mangaverse, though I only got a few.

[DDM]

Ghost Rider. I stopped buying the limited series with #4.

[90'sCartoonMan]

I want to say Marville, but I feel like I keep complaining about that here. If not that, then the X-Men stuff with The Neo, mostly because the follow up was very disappointing.

Oh, speaking of X-Men, the issue where Polaris is in love with Daap, who keeps hitting Havok and making him look like a chump. But I'm sure there are older things I own that were worse...

[algertman]

New Avengers 16

I think that's the one

[gorosaurus]

It had to be a Spider-Woman comic from the 80's with the villian called
Turner D. Century. He had a handlebar mustache and rode a old-fashioned bicycle that could fly. Thankfully he was later killed by Scourge in an issue of Captain America.

[Corsair]

Ravage 2099 comes immediately to mind.

[Mac Danny]

Night Thraser # 1

[Norrin Radd]

Spider-Man: Chapter One

[The Shadow]

The bomber jacket era of the Avengers (despite Steve Epting's art).

[Huzzah!]

What issue was Norman Osbournes O-face?

[Chachi]

The Tsunami Venom Series.

[maniacmatt]

FF: Death in the Family was absolutely horrible, and completely pointlesss. The Frank Richards backup was better than the main story. Plus, it was waaaayy over hyped.

[DDM]

House of M #1-8, icky decompressed garbage

[Zombienorthstar]

J2 #2
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/mc2/j22.jpg

MC2 universe was pretty bad...this exemplifies why...

[Jamescush]

Front Line.

And that issue of The Punisher where they turn him black.:confused:
What was that about?

[The Shadow]

FF: Death in the Family was absolutely horrible, and completely pointlesss. The Frank Richards backup was better than the main story. Plus, it was waaaayy over hyped.
I would like to change my vote to this one as well!

[Citizen V]

The Anniversary Age of Apocalypse mini series.

[Evan Lanctot]

NOTHING beats Marville. NOTHING.

[Gargus]

Megamorphs.

To this day I still dont know what in the hell I was thinking.

[Clint Barton]

I guess I'd have to vote for Namor....yeah...Namor.....pretty much the entire series.

[ruff]

Spiderman vs ............The Rocket racer

[Haunt]

that issue where Hawkeye supposedly dies because he can't operate his quiver.

[The Shadow]

that issue where Hawkeye supposedly dies because he can't operate his quiver.
Best. Issue. Ever.

[agrich]

So many choices. But I've got to go with one that not only sucked but really made me angry the thing was even done.

What If Karen Page Had Lived? By Bendis and Michael Lark. I'm a huge fan of Bendis' Daredevil run, but this thing was a betrayal of everything his Daredevil stood for. Let's count the problems...

1) 10 full pages of recap of what we'd already seen, with Karen Page getting killed by Bullseye. Told to us by a guy in a bar who, oh yeah, looks like Bendis. Clever.

2) The thing that made the What If? series end up so lousy in the first place: random, indiscriminate death of other characters, just because, hey, it's a What If, and it doesn't matter.

3) The fact that what happened wasn't a logical conclusion from Karen Page living. (I don't want to give it away in case anyone desperately wants to read this piece of junk, despite my warning them away from it.)

4) The fact that it called to mind Kevin Smith's lousy decision to kill the character off in the first place.

Sure Marvel has done a lot worse comics, a lot of which (Osborn and Gwen Stacy?) I fortunately was warned away from and didn't read. But of the ones I've read, this was memorably awful.

[CyberCoyote]

X4 number 1. I just gave myself a headache recalling it.

There was some awful 'mutant' book in the early 80's with a bunch of enduro bikers who merged into a single entity, that blew some serious chunks. At least it wasn't offensive to established characters.

[shadowraven]

Usually when I drop a title, there a couple issues between the time I tell my shop order to strike the title, and the first issue that he doesn't have me on file to receive a copy of, that I can't even bring myself to read. On of those were probably the worst issues I've ever paid for.

MK Cap and Austen's UXM were recent examples of that. Mutant X got pretty bad too. Don't know why I continued to buy it so long. I'll just blame it on being 16 or so at the time :)

[overcomebyfumes]

Xorneto.

I still get mad when I think about it.

[jpk]

Couple of recent ones:

1602: New World. WTF? Can't believe Pak linked himself to it.

Kitty Pryde: Shadow & Flame. Just...awful.

Any issue of Black Panther by Hudlin. Ugh.

[Babylon23]

As far as comics I've actually paid for:Avengers Disassembled or Sins of the Past. It's a line call. Worst single issue would be Avengers 503 - the final issue of Disassembled.

[Lazy_Fiend]

ghost rider

such wasted potential
i love the character
but it never took off in the writing department...

[Nick MB]

Any issue of the Mattie Franklin Spider-Woman series. Yuckity yuck.

[Leebenhouse]

Uh, New Avengers #16

That was the one with No avengers, right, it was just a set up?

[The_Vision]

I'd have to go with the whole Heroes Reborn collection, but if pressed I'd have to go with HR: Avengers. All of them.

[Darkwave]

Mutant X got pretty bad too. Don't know why I continued to buy it so long. I'll just blame it on being 16 or so at the time :)

Ditto on the end of Mutant X being horrible. I was really upset too, because I thought Mutant X had *so* much potential, and was so horribly executed.

In my dreams, Mutant X is rebooted, with Peter Milligan writing. I think Milligans's X-men run was weak, but the premise of Mutant X would be much more suited to his style.

[Zombienorthstar]

Ditto on the end of Mutant X being horrible. I was really upset too, because I thought Mutant X had *so* much potential, and was so horribly executed.

In my dreams, Mutant X is rebooted, with Peter Milligan writing. I think Milligans's X-men run was weak, but the premise of Mutant X would be much more suited to his style.


Except he has a real problem writing Havok...in that he makes him a dick.

[1WEBHEAD]

My worst comic purchase was Ultimate Fantastic Four vs The Xmen issue 1 and 2. That and Civil War Frontline issue 1. Both were horrible in both writing and art too.

[theflyingfrogunderdog]

Recently, i read New Avengers #17 and thought it was below standard and lacked editing. Brian Michael Bendis simply does not know the characters he writes. Wolverine's dialogue was so bad, it was blatantly noticeable and distracted me from the story.

As a side note, i read the scene in Avengers Disassembled where Tony Stark goes nuts in front of the UN and thought his dialogue was completely out of character. The words just didn't match the character at all, no matter what state of mind he was in. :confused:

As for not so recent comics, the 9 cent incentive issue of Fantastic Four with Weirdingo art was horrendous. The scene with Johnny and Ben fighting in the back of the Fantasti-car like little kids was one of the worst scenes in FF history for sure. :rolleyes:

And in the '80s, the return of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1 was so contrived and far fetched, it left a lasting impression on me, it was so horribly wrong.

[Zombienorthstar]

Recently, i read New Avengers #17 and thought it was below standard and lacked editing. Brian Michael Bendis simply does not know the characters he writes. Wolverine's dialogue was so bad, it was blatantly noticeable and distracted me from the story.

As a side note, i read the scene in Avengers Disassembled where Tony Stark goes nuts in front of the UN and thought his dialogue was completely out of character. The words just didn't match the character at all, no matter what state of mind he was in. :confused:

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But isnt that the point...Wanda is subconciously controlling him...so it isnt Tony...

[DDM]

And in the '80s, the return of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1 was so contrived and far fetched, it left a lasting impression on me, it was so horribly wrong.

Jean Grey returns in Fantastic Four #286 which continued in X-Factor #1. For Jean Grey's ressurrection to work properly, she has to be Marvel Girl. Marvel made a big mess when Jean Grey became Phoenix in 1994's The Adventures of Cyclops & Phoenix #1-4 at the expense of Rachel Summers, Phoenix II's death as the Mother Askani.

[algertman]

Uh, New Avengers #16

That was the one with No avengers, right, it was just a set up?

don't remind me

YOU MADE ME REMEMBER!

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[The Shadow]

Any issue of Black Panther by Hudlin. Ugh.
We have a WINNER!

[theflyingfrogunderdog]

But isnt that the point...Wanda is subconciously controlling him...so it isnt Tony...

Ok, i didn't read the whole storyline, so that's ok, then. Thanks for the info. :)

Jean Grey returns in Fantastic Four #286 which continued in X-Factor #1.


Sorry, i meant the explanation of why Jean was gone for all those years was told in X-Factor #1 and i didn't buy it one bit. I did buy multiple copies of FF #286 and 15 copies of X-Factor #1, though. :o

[Darkwave]

Except he has a real problem writing Havok...in that he makes him a dick.

I have to admit, I wasn't even thinking that the 616 Havok would be in it; just the original Havok of that dimension.

But I think you've hit a nail on the head with your comment -- Milligan is very good at the surreal and subtlely bizarre; but not so good at writing characters consistent with how they've been characterized before. That's why he was so good on X-Statix (and would be so good on Mutant X), and didn't do so well with X-Men.

[Alan2099]

Marville. That whole thing read like a horrible inside joke with no punchline.

What if Jessica Jones joined the Avengers was equally horrible.

[Cavalry Tanker]

The XMen Twelve cross over.

Bad because it was such a monumental event in the X-Men world, and treated as if it was just another story that a writer gets to kill a few people in. Almost made me stop buying comics.

[streator]

rogue: icon series 1-4
excalibur (3rd series) 1-4
venom: sign of the boss 1
xxm: savage land 1-4

[GrandMaster Funk]

Daredevil #234 I just hate Madcap, a very lame villain IMO.

[Huzzah!]

Also the fetus boxing new x-men issue. No Morrison fun dialouge, just Quitely's asstastic "artwork" to stare at

And the issue where xorn takes his mask off because it makes no sense and Its probably the biggest blunder a writer has ever done with his own character


Although, again

Sin's past is horrid

Its so terrible even Jesus cant save it

[jade_nova]

For artwork it would have to be Venom vs. Carnage miniseries. It was too busy.

[DDM]

Marville. That whole thing read like a horrible inside joke with no punchline.

What if Jessica Jones joined the Avengers was equally horrible.

No one at Marvel had the balls to tell Bill Jemas he can't write anything. I'm glad the sales for Marville reflected just how bad the book is. Jemas just published expensive toilet paper with staples.

[Chiasm]

Worst ever. Thats a tough call for me as I've got several to choose from. I can't remember exact issue #'s off the top of my head but definite consideration goes to :

1. The first Uncanny X-men issue by Joe Casey and then the next four which were the storyline "Poptopia."

2. Most anything written in X-men by Milligan. The worst issue of the bunch though is the loony Lorna issue where she finds Doop or Goop or Crap or whatever he was called.

[DDM]

X-Men #20-21, 31-32 (second series) introduced Kwannon aka Revanche, Psylocke's doublemint twin:

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97794297722.20.GIF
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97794297722.21.GIF
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97794297722.31.GIF
http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97794297722.32.GIF

The writer's excuse? He did not read Uncanny X-Men #256. Well, it was obvious he had not read the book after the knot was created. Icky, yuck, bleaugh!

[Huzzah!]

the kwannon saga is the one retcon that almost beats sin's past in ass factor

But it only ruined a good story


SIn's past ruined one of the best



Avengers Dissassembled was also horrible

[Zombienorthstar]

I have to admit, I wasn't even thinking that the 616 Havok would be in it; just the original Havok of that dimension.

But I think you've hit a nail on the head with your comment -- Milligan is very good at the surreal and subtlely bizarre; but not so good at writing characters consistent with how they've been characterized before. That's why he was so good on X-Statix (and would be so good on Mutant X), and didn't do so well with X-Men.


True...

So Milligan would do well with a concept like Mutant X (all new alternate universe versions of our own)...but not necessarily to bring back mutant x

[Angel of Death]

I'd like to change my response to:

Captain American/Wolverine 1 -4

HORRIBLE!!! HORRID!!! WASTE OF MONEY!!! TERRIBLE!!!

[Siddon]

X-4, I hate using recent issues because I think time heals most wounds, and internet pack dogs find a new flavor of the month to decry as the "worst ever".

But Yoshida writing still leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. But some of Stan Lee's X-men were pretty bad.

X-men vs Vanisher may be the worst single Lee issue ever.

[blopblopblop]

avengers disassembled

pissed me off so much to have my fav characters shown such disrespect in favor of the tired old wolverine/spiderman that i swore off all marvel til quesada and bendis leave

[Babylon23]

X-Men #20-21, 31-32 (second series) introduced Kwannon aka Revanche, Psylocke's doublemint twin

Before Sins Past and Disassembled were released, this would have gotten my vote. Man did this story suck. I'm glad that it's been largely forgotten now. Let's hope Disassembled is properly dismissed in the future as well.

[Jack Roberts]

I'm usually 'smart' enough to avoid the bad ones :), but I love how some of you guys post multiple choices . . .if I had to pick the all-time worst one I actually read it would have to be Transformers #24, hands down utter dreck.

[overcomebyfumes]

Uh, New Avengers #16

That was the one with No avengers, right, it was just a set up?

Wasn't that the issue with something like six full page splashes of... planet earth?

An almost "Cerebus"-esque waste of space.

Pax.

[Drakenred]

I have to agree. It’s another telling of the SM origin. It’s been done to death so I have a hard time getting behind any SM origin story.

At the same time it came across as a story to show that not all people in that area of the world are crazy.

I read the whole story expecting something different and it ended up being nothing special.

I can top that, look up Spiderman of Japan.

[overcomebyfumes]

THE HALL OF SHAME!!! So far we have:

Spider-Man: India
Punisher: Bloody Valentine
Identity Disk
Marvel Mangaverse
Garth Ennis Ghost Rider
Marville
general X-Men complaints
New Avengers generally and #16 and #17 specifically
Spider-Woman vs. Turner D. Century
Ravage 2099
Night-Thrasher #1
Spider-Man: Chapter One
90's Avengers
Spider-Man: Sins Past and Norman Osborne's O-face
The Tsunami Venom Series
Fantastic Four: A Death in the Family
House of M
J2 #2 and M2 in general
Civil War: Front Line
the issue of the Punisher where they turn him black
Age of Apocalypse Anniversary
Megamorphs
Namor... the entire series
Spider-Man vs. Rocket Racer
Avengers: Disassembled - Hawkeye quiver fiasco, out of character dialogue. more plot problems than I can count (did we NEED TWO deus-ex-machinas?!?!?)

What If Karen Page Had Lived? By Bendis and Michael Lark
X-4 #1
80's mutants vs. bikers
MK: Captain America
Uncanny X-Men written by Chuck Austin
Mutant X
complaining about continuity problems in Grant Morrison's New X-Men specifically re: Xorneto, also Quietly's floating fetus heads (man, that guy can draw chins like no-one else!).

1602: New World
Kitty Pryde: Shadow & Flame
Any issue of Black Panther by Hudlin
Any issue of the Mattie Franklin Spider-Woman series
the whole Heroes Reborn collection, specifically HR: Avengers
Ultimate Fantastic Four vs The Xmen issue 1 and 2
the 9 cent incentive issue of the Fantastic Four
the return of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1 (Fantastic Four #286)
What if Jessica Jones joined the Avengers?
X-Men: Twelve
rogue: icon series 1-4
excalibur (3rd series) 1-4
venom: sign of the boss 1
xxm: savage land 1-4
Daredevil #234 (vs. Madcap)
Venom vs. Carnage
X-Men by Joe Casey, specifically "Poptopia"
X-Men by Milligan
X-Men #20-21, 31-32 (Kwannon Saga? Revanche?)
Captain American/Wolverine 1 -4
X-Men by Stan Lee, specifically vs. the Vanisher
Transformers #24
Spiderman of Japan (TV show)

I think, based on this, that X-Men will take the overall worst. There may have been more bad X-Men stories than any other comic.

Pax.

[Drakenred]

THE HALL OF SHAME!!! So far we have:

Spider-Man: India
Punisher: Bloody Valentine
Identity Disk
Marvel Mangaverse
Garth Ennis Ghost Rider
Marville
general X-Men complaints
New Avengers generally and #16 and #17 specifically
Spider-Woman vs. Turner D. Century
Ravage 2099
Night-Thrasher #1
Spider-Man: Chapter One
90's Avengers
Spider-Man: Sins Past and Norman Osborne's O-face
The Tsunami Venom Series
Fantastic Four: A Death in the Family
House of M
J2 #2 and M2 in general
Civil War: Front Line
the issue of the Punisher where they turn him black
Age of Apocalypse Anniversary
Megamorphs
Namor... the entire series
Spider-Man vs. Rocket Racer
Avengers: Disassembled - Hawkeye quiver fiasco, out of character dialogue. more plot problems than I can count (did we NEED TWO deus-ex-machinas?!?!?)
What If Karen Page Had Lived? By Bendis and Michael Lark
X-4 #1
80's mutants
MK: Captain America
Uncanny X-Men written by Chuck Austin
Mutant X
complaining about continuity problems in Grant Morrison's New X-Men specifically re: Xorneto, also Queitly's floating fetus heads (man, that guy can draw chins like no-one else!).
1602: New World
Kitty Pryde: Shadow & Flame
Any issue of Black Panther by Hudlin
Any issue of the Mattie Franklin Spider-Woman series
the whole Heroes Reborn collection, specifically HR: Avengers
Ultimate Fantastic Four vs The Xmen issue 1 and 2
the 9 cent incentive issue of the Fantastic Four
the return of Jean Grey in X-Factor #1 (Fantastic Four #286)
What if Jessica Jones joined the Avengers?
X-Men: Twelve
rogue: icon series 1-4
excalibur (3rd series) 1-4
venom: sign of the boss 1
xxm: savage land 1-4
Daredevil #234 (vs. Madcap)
Venom vs. Carnage
X-Men by Joe Casey, specifically "Poptopia"
X-Men by Milligan
X-Men #20-21, 31-32
Captain American/Wolverine 1 -4
X-Men by Stan Lee, specifically vs. the Vanisher
Transformers #24
Spiderman of Japan

I think, based on this, that X-Men will take the overall worst. There may have been more bad X-Men stories than any other comic.

Pax.

Actualy Spiderman of Japan was a TV show, which bascialy features Japans spiderman who first fights normal sized badguys and then fights their giant sized badgyuys in a transformable giant.

and it was the first show to feature this, so now you know who to blame for the pwoer rangers.

[Drakenred]

For me its

the many of the Old Stan Lee X-men Issues(who were often kind of lame)
Avengers: Disassembled
X-Men #20-21&31-32 (which frankly could have been done a hell of a lot better!)
House of M (granted their were some interesting bits in the core, but yesh!)

[overcomebyfumes]

I would emphatically like to add JMS's "Strange" mini-series to the list.

I know a bad Dr. Strange story when I read one, and my gods, this, THIS, was clearly the worst.

Pax.

[overcomebyfumes]

It is interesting to me that no-one has yet brought up "Secret Wars II", Avengers #200 (the Carol Danvers pregnancy/incest story) or the Clone Saga.

Are they clearly so bad that they no longer even need to be mentioned?

Pax.

[overcomebyfumes]

...maybe if I'm lucky, Quietly will draw me a chin...

[Leebenhouse]

Avengers Disassembled was definantly bad. So was a LOT of X-Men in the 90s.

But nothing beats de-compressed storytelling, so what in the 80s and even 90s they could tell in two pages, takes two issues of crappy art. That takes 5 months to come out.

Thanks Joey Q.'s Marvel. Youre the best around...

[riftt]

worst trades ive picked up: house of m and secret war

[Agentum]

Those big gun heroes with sparkle in one eye timetraveling issues of X-men from early 90s is unreadable to me.

And i have X-men 1 with it five covers just to remind me of a horrible era of Marvel comics:)

I'm sure tehre is worse comics from Marvel but i don't buy stuff that seems extremly bad.

[theflyingfrogunderdog]

It is interesting to me that no-one has yet brought up "Secret Wars II", Avengers #200 (the Carol Danvers pregnancy/incest story) or the Clone Saga.

Are they clearly so bad that they no longer even need to be mentioned?

Pax.

Definitely stinkers...i'll never forget the beyond bad art :confused: by Al Milgrom in Secret Wars II. :rolleyes: Milgrom's the worst penciller next to Erik Larsen on Defenders, but he's always been a good inker, though.

[scouse mouse]

The worst books that I have read recently would have to be Avengers Dissassembled and Shanna the She Devil. AD for obvious reasons and Shanna for being the best looking piece of shit that I have ever read, boring as Hell!

[DDM]

Avengers Dissassembled is just a hack's dream come true. Real writers, on the other hand, have much higher standards for their stories. It is just so bad on so many levels.

The Clone Saga left me cold that I have not bought any Spider-Man title on a regular basis since 1993.

[DDM]

The worst books that I have read recently would have to be Avengers Dissassembled and Shanna the She Devil. AD for obvious reasons and Shanna for being the best looking piece of shit that I have ever read, boring as Hell!

Marvel should have titled Shanna the She-Devil to Adventures of Maximum Clonage: Shanna the Boob-Devil Returns! or Shanna the Boob-Devil: For Boobs Only. Marvel really should stop focusing on clones. It turns readers off because the stories are crap. The clone idea gives the editors enough room to say the character you're reading is not the real character but a clone. We love cliches! The House of Ideas is currently infested with cockroaches, rats, & termites. Call the exterminator!

[CTroutt]

How about issue 12 of the Dazzler solo series (Dazzler: THE MOVIE)? How about ANY issue of the 1981-1985 run of Dazzler, for that matter?

Dazzler was truly.... truly.... TRULY outrageous.

[DDM]

How about issue 12 of the Dazzler solo series (Dazzler: THE MOVIE)? How about ANY issue of the 1981-1985 run of Dazzler, for that matter?

Dazzler was truly.... truly.... TRULY outrageous.

Dazzler: The Movie is a graphic novel separate from the Dazzler series.

[algertman]

I would emphatically like to add JMS's "Strange" mini-series to the list.

I know a bad Dr. Strange story when I read one, and my gods, this, THIS, was clearly the worst.

Pax.


Oh man that was bad. It was like an even more crappy version of THE MATRIX

[CTroutt]

Dazzler: The Movie is a graphic novel separate from the Dazzler series.

Indeed, sir - you are correct... sorry for the oversight. I'm sticking with my Dazzler-bashing, though - she's on my list.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

PLANET X Trade paperback

Worst storyline ever. Magneto because a whinning, crybaby and an idiot to boot. Jean had just come back, only to be killed again. Why would Magneto kill Jean when Logan was standing right next to him? Scott showed no sorrow over Jean's death. Fanthmox is a horrible charecter. Grant Morrisions worst sotry ever.

HORRIBLE....HORRIBLE...HORRIBLE!!!

[algertman]

PLANET X Trade paperback

Worst storyline ever. Magneto because a whinning, crybaby and an idiot to boot. Jean had just come back, only to be killed again. Why would Magneto kill Jean when Logan was standing right next to him? Scott showed no sorrow over Jean's death. Fanthmox is a horrible charecter. Grant Morrisions worst sotry ever.

HORRIBLE....HORRIBLE...HORRIBLE!!!

Really? I thought it was best X-Men had been in YEARS. But oh well, people want Jean. Even if she should have stayed dead over 20 years ago.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Really? I thought it was best X-Men had been in YEARS. But oh well, people want Jean. Even if she should have stayed dead over 20 years ago.


Are you a real X-men fan or a newer story of the month fan? Cause I don;t see how any fan, true fan of the X-men could stand what Morrison did to Magneto. It was so, so pathetic.

[Agentum]

But that feels like a editor decision somehow, i think many of those bad ideas in comics really is comming from people higher up than the writers themselfes.
The worst thing with Morrisons new X-men i think was that Quitely guy drew them with exactly the same silly expression i almost laughed out loud when all x-men was standing around looking exactly the same, and a really stupid look too.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

But that feels like a editor decision somehow, i think many of those bad ideas in comics really is comming from people higher up than the writers themselfes.


Morrison said he does not likle Magneto and a quote he gave about him is that Morrison thinks all he is, is just a plain old terrorist. Anyone who thinks Magneto is just a plain terrorist does not know X-men.


Also it wasn't an editorial decision. The editorial decision was to rectoon the entire storyline by saying it was actually Xorn pretending to be Magneto. This was all Morrison's debacle.

[Agentum]

ok, then i think he missed out on that, i don't see what that decision improved really but it's often hard to understan Morrisons work.

[Tony Starkz]

Wolverine #36-40,Origins and Endings

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Wolverine #36-40,Origins and Endings


Man was that ever a bad storyline and I am a huge Wolverine fan. Gosh damn that sucked and pissed me off. We learned very little and I hated that Bucky needed to be included. He should be dead.

[Angel of Death]

Wolverine #36-40,Origins and Endings

I bought the hardbound on eBay without knowing, luckily it was only $12 overall.

Horible I read it in about 4 minutes, drek is all it was.

[G. Wayne]

Milligan's X-Men run, specifically The Blood Of Apocalypse, was sooo bad, not even LaRocca's art could save it. Horrible characterizations, and mind-bogglingly inane, inconsequential plot twists a-plenty.

[Huzzah!]

origin. really turd right there.

Its like, hey lets make every decision Wolverine ever made trivial and harken back to loves and hates of a couple of crappy characters

Oh ...and lets make Wolverine a former wuss who becomes badass, because thats never been done before in the marvel universe

(cap'n america, spiderman, sentry, so on and so forth)

Also... James Howlett the moon. My god marvel....my god

[Angel of Death]

Also... James Howlett the moon. My god marvel....my god

............. HA!

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

origin. really turd right there.

Its like, hey lets make every decision Wolverine ever made trivial and harken back to loves and hates of a couple of crappy characters

Oh ...and lets make Wolverine a former wuss who becomes badass, because thats never been done before in the marvel universe

(cap'n america, spiderman, sentry, so on and so forth)

Also... James Howlett the moon. My god marvel....my god


Dude it wasn't that bad. I actually liked Origin. Plus everything Wolverine has ever done does not go back to Dog, Rose, Thomas Logan, his mother or his grandfather. Only his father's death invoked a response for part of his life. I don;t see how anything else went with him past that camp where he killed Rose.

[Alan2099]

Well, other than his redhead fetish.

[Young Avenger]

Last Hero Standing. The whole thing felt rushed. I swore off MC2 after reading it.

[Sabrinaset]

There was a two-part Fantastic Four story...I can't remember what issues they were, but it was just after the Claremont run and before the Pacheo run started...about them going off somewhere, Johnny meeting the Two-Gun Kid, and ... oh, it was so bad, I couldn't finish it. I still haven't finished it yet.

[algertman]

Are you a real X-men fan or a newer story of the month fan? Cause I don;t see how any fan, true fan of the X-men could stand what Morrison did to Magneto. It was so, so pathetic.


"Real" X-Men fan :rolleyes:

Jeez. Morrison did more for X-Men than every X-men comic from the 90's COMBINED! He, get this, moved them forward. Unlike all the crap for last 10 years which was "HEY LOOK! WOLVERINE! SNIKT!" Yeah, those are some "real" X-Men fans who liked that crap. God I hate fanboys

[algertman]

Dude it wasn't that bad. I actually liked Origin. Plus everything Wolverine has ever done does not go back to Dog, Rose, Thomas Logan, his mother or his grandfather. Only his father's death invoked a response for part of his life. I don;t see how anything else went with him past that camp where he killed Rose.


red headed women

[thetube]

Marville, but I am sure Quesada will bring it back as he is doing everything in his power to destroy what made Marvel great...

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

"Real" X-Men fan :rolleyes:

Jeez. Morrison did more for X-Men than every X-men comic from the 90's COMBINED! He, get this, moved them forward. Unlike all the crap for last 10 years which was "HEY LOOK! WOLVERINE! SNIKT!" Yeah, those are some "real" X-Men fans who liked that crap. God I hate fanboys


So you really liked the fact that Magneto was turned from a man with right intentions but wrong ways of going about it to a flat out Hitler. He was putting humans in ****ing gas chambers. WTF!!! Magneto would never, never, never do this. Morrison does not like Magneto and did eveything he could to tear him apart.

Magneto a man who inspired millions, who got thousands of mutants to flock to an island just to follow him couldn't get a group in New York to listen to him. Not only that Magneto would never b**ch and moan about no one following him. Hell the situation happened way back in X-men 1-3. Hey asked the X-men to join him and they turned him down. Did Magneto start to whin and cry about them not joining his side? Hell No!!! He let them stand against him and said that it was their choice. Also never once did Magneto plan to turn the poles upside down, even though Morrison had him say he did? Never happened in any X-book ever.

Why on earth would Magneto scream at kids who saw him in the Xorn mask about it really being him. Then when they didn't believe him, know Xavier can f him up without the mask, take it off. Gosh, Magneot has never, ever been written that stupid before. To top it off he let Wolverine kill him, which would never happen. He believes in himself to much. Also why kill Jean out of everyone. She has doen the least to him out of Xavier, Beast, Wolverine or Cyclopse?

Morrison wrote Magento to be some one dimensional, slip on his own shoe laces villian. Pathetic, utterly pathetic.

Not to mention Jean freakin Grey had to be told what the Phoenix was. Hell by his logic, if he stayed on the book Wolverine would have had to have been told what adimantium was. Yes it sounds stupid, but that's the logic he was going by.

He chumped out Scott Summers even more. A man who was to chicken **** to tell his wife about a mental affair. Who couldn't talk to her about his problems. Who cried on Wolverine's shoulder about his problems. Who ran away from the X-men because he was upset about his wife.

Who killed Magneto in Genosha as he himself said only to bring him back just a few issues later. Why kill him at all then.

Why bring Jean back also just to kill her? What was the point? What impact did it have on anything?

A man who overnight had the mutant population in the 30-40 millions. Where did they all suddenly come from and where did this mutant culture suddenly come from.

Who made Wolverine near invincible. He regenerated his arm being blown off in 3 count that 3 seconds. According to his Wolverine, he was near impossible to beat.


Morrison did more to harm the X-men than anything. His first issue was incredible. Scott was a stronger man, Wolverine was a badass again, Nova was a new villian supposedly unbeatable and Jean was back. The first storyline held up, even though it started to fade at the end. Then the proverbiel **** hit the fan and everything went down hill. Charecterization, the most important thing was all but lost.


The only thing I can say is THANK YOU MR. QUESADA for rectooning Magneto from Planet X. At the least, you guys salvaged something from Morrison's attrocity.

[DoubleShot]

Damn. Well said!

[Jake V]

Is that how a "true X-Men fan" rants?

Thank god I'm not one.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Milligan's X-Run and " Sins Past " to me were the worst things I've read from recent Marvel. Its bad when SP makes the mid 90's Clone Saga look like high art .

[tkitna]

A lot of good ones mentioned and this may not be worthy of some of those, but I thought the 'Operation Galactic Storm' arc sucked. Maybe even worse than 'Xcutioners Song'.

[algertman]

Is that how a "true X-Men fan" rants?

Thank god I'm not one.

I agree. Thank god for team books that don't suck

[Expletive Deleted]

I hated the Morrison/"real fans" argument on the X-Boards at the time, I hate it here and now. Nobody's going to change their minds, everybody's going to get snide and insulting, and . . . it's pointless.

Change the subject.

Thanks.

[Mikl C]

wolverine: xisle
wolverine:snikt!
chuk austen's lionheart of avalon avengers run. EURGH.

[Huzzah!]

Milligan's X-Run and " Sins Past " to me were the worst things I've read from recent Marvel. Its bad when SP makes the mid 90's Clone Saga look like high art .


Yep. Sins past is a special kind of bad. Not only terrible on its own, but terrible in spidey contest as it destroyed the best spiderman story ever. im not sure there are any other stories that even come close to that one because of the boldness of its awful.

Jms said he originally intended for the kids to be peters, which would have made it only a goofy story. However editors said nay. Here's a little advice JMS. Feel free to not write a story if the editors dont want you to. You cant totally do that

[Love Machine]

Sleepwalker #4, featuring the villian Bookworm...seriously so bad I wanted to kill something...

Secret Defenders was god awful as well...

[Love Machine]

A lot of good ones mentioned and this may not be worthy of some of those, but I thought the 'Operation Galactic Storm' arc sucked. Maybe even worse than 'Xcutioners Song'.

It was alot worse....XS actually had potential to be soemthing, OGS was just silliness from the oft...

[Alan2099]

Almost forgot a good one.

What if the Age of Apocalypse had not ended?

I can't think of a single person who ever read comics and thought, "you know what the AOA needs? More Galactus" Then on top of that, they're able to actually kill Galactus in that book, plus Logan gets to oneshot the Silver Surfer.

If all of that wasn't bad enough on it's own, it was illistrated with some absolutley horrible computer graphics art.

There have been a lot of lame What if issues, but I think that one takes the cake as the worst of the worst.

[Novaya Havoc]

How about issue 12 of the Dazzler solo series (Dazzler: THE MOVIE)? How about ANY issue of the 1981-1985 run of Dazzler, for that matter?

Dazzler was truly.... truly.... TRULY outrageous.

Dazzler: The Movie was a great story. And a lot of her series was very good. Issues 30 - 37 were pretty weak, with a couple of decent ones interspliced, but through 30, it was a blast.

[GeekDragon]

That's easy, NFL Super Pro #8, where he teamed with Cap to fight Crossbones. Sucktacular!

[SlightlyMad]

Spider-Man: Chapter One

Same here.

And I'll raise you The "Gathering of Five" The Final Chapter, the Amazing Spider-man relaunch, plus the first issue of "Spider-Woman" (Anyone remember Mattie Franklin? Anyone?).

An awful lot of Spidey suckage in a short space of time, a lot of which was connected with a certain Mr. Byrne. Ah John, your classic run as artist on The Uncanny X-Men & your Alpha Flight will long be remembered as classics, but I guess we all need to realise when we're past our best eh?

[agrich]

An awful lot of Spidey suckage in a short space of time, a lot of which was connected with a certain Mr. Byrne. Ah John, your classic run as artist on The Uncanny X-Men & your Alpha Flight will long be remembered as classics, but I guess we all need to realise when we're past our best eh?

Let's not forget Byrne's Fantastic Four run, certainly a classic.

But as far as bad Byrne, let's not forget his horrific stint on first few issues of the current Hulk series. Very bad.

[Ironspider]

i was like 10 when me and my bestfriend got chapter one and now I read it again and want to kill my bestfriend

[idwfan]

FF: Death in the Family was absolutely horrible, and completely pointlesss. The Frank Richards backup was better than the main story. Plus, it was waaaayy over hyped.

Totally agree!

[Johnny_H]

Venom License to kill or The hunger

[david r]

Walt Simonson's run on Avengers.
Bob Harras' run on Avengers.
Tom Defalco and Paul Ryan on Fantastic Four.
Avengers: The Crossing
House of M
Brian Bendis on Avengers
J. Michael Straczynski run on Fantastic Four
Except for the first 2-3 years of JMS run, Spider-Man has been dead for me since '91.
Bill Mantlo's run on Alpha Flight
All the New Universe titles.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Greetings everyone, I have something very important to say......


I'm a Nigerian American, and I believe that Hudlin's Black Panther run is a collective piece of expletive....... I hope Hudlin can never write another Marvel character, ever, especially not Luke Cage or Misty Knight.....

Nobody, no matter what race, should ever write a book using a heavy-handed racial agenda (ie: bring in more "Black People" into reading comics by making a comic more "Afrocentric").....

expletive that, I just want an actually readable story. It's almost as if they think African-Americans will only read something if there is only African-Americans in the story........

Hudlin has lost my respect as a writer through this comic.

Thank You.

[KittyPryde]

All the New Universe titles.

"ALL" of them?!?!...I always liked DP7 and Pitt....

[Deadpooligan]

She Hulk Volume IV. After Volume III was pretty good, this one just slumped. (The reader mail is just... so mean. I feel so bad sometimes.)

House of M 1-8 I didn't like at all.

Spider-Man: The Other was weak and they pushed it too much.

Fantastic Four: A Death in the Family was retconned IN THE ISSUE. WTF?

There are probably many more... I just can't remember them now.

[Mr.Musgrave]

Magneto would never, never, never do this.

No, Magneto would just unleash electro-magnetic pulses killing thousands (if not millions of people.) Magneto would just unleash his "inspired" followers on innocent or sickly "flatscans" in an attempt to "genetically clense" the earth so mutants could take over. Or threaten to nuke the world...multiple times. Or torture, maime, and abuse enemies and followers alike. His own children included.

Yeah, he's nothing like a terrorist or a Nazi. He's an all-around stand up guy. :rolleyes:

Fanboys.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anyway, back on planet earth:

Anything written by JMS or Hudlin are the worst stories out of Marvel. Anything.

[Nick MB]

Venom License to kill or The hunger

I thought The Hunger was one of the only good ones in the 90s crop of Venom mini-series...

[Jake Lockley]

Just about any of the Denny O'Neil & Luke McDonnell issues of Iron Man.

[shaunyc56]

No, Magneto would just unleash electro-magnetic pulses killing thousands (if not millions of people.) Magneto would just unleash his "inspired" followers on innocent or sickly "flatscans" in an attempt to "genetically clense" the earth so mutants could take over. Or threaten to nuke the world...multiple times. Or torture, maime, and abuse enemies and followers alike. His own children included.

Yeah, he's nothing like a terrorist or a Nazi. He's an all-around stand up guy. :rolleyes:

Fanboys.:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Anyway, back on planet earth:

Anything written by JMS or Hudlin are the worst stories out of Marvel. Anything.


Ok, the Hudlin stuff wasn't too great, but, it was the only comic I could read w/ my girlfriend that she didn't think was super nerdy. I also liked Brother Voodoo not actually sucking for the first time in god knows when.

[Nick MB]

Sins Past wasn't a bad comic. Even if it was founded on a bad idea, the story, art and dialogue were well constructed enough. To me, a bad comic has to be one that is technically badly done. I refuse to mark out a comic as 'bad' just on the principle that I don't like the plot twist.
Now, The Other, that was a bad story. Awfully structured and with a cheap reversal at the end.

[agrich]

Sins Past wasn't a bad comic. Even if it was founded on a bad idea, the story, art and dialogue were well constructed enough. To me, a bad comic has to be one that is technically badly done. I refuse to mark out a comic as 'bad' just on the principle that I don't like the plot twist.


Personally I think a bad idea is enough to make for a bad comic. I don't think the problem with Sins Past was just a "plot twist" but rather the entire concept.

[Deadpooligan]

No, Magneto would just unleash electro-magnetic pulses killing thousands (if not millions of people.) Magneto would just unleash his "inspired" followers on innocent or sickly "flatscans" in an attempt to "genetically clense" the earth so mutants could take over. Or threaten to nuke the world...multiple times. Or torture, maime, and abuse enemies and followers alike. His own children included.

Yeah, he's nothing like a terrorist or a Nazi. He's an all-around stand up guy.

He could, but he hasn't. He's still a moral man, and his views have changed somewhat since the silver age. If anything he's very anti-those ideas, and is aiming for a political approach. I think.

Now Xorneto (or the first Xorn in disguise) was murderous like that.

[DDM]

He could, but he hasn't. He's still a moral man, and his views have changed somewhat since the silver age. If anything he's very anti-those ideas, and is aiming for a political approach. I think.

Now Xorneto (or the first Xorn in disguise) was murderous like that.

Magneto did indeed release a large magnetic pulse during The Magneto War, a heavily editorial driven story which basically substituted Zaladane for Magneto. Zaladane intended to directly tap into the Earth's magentic sphere beginning in Uncanny X-Men #249-250 & culminating with her death--at Magneto's hands--in Uncanny X-Men #274-275. The editors were on fumes at this point with the X-Men franchise with the awful Magneto War. The magnetic pulse stopped all electrical & mechanical devices from working. Magneto's powers waned which lead to Magneto: Dark Seduction limited series, an incoherent story at best.

[stealthwise]

NFL Superpro

[unkiedev]

The last GHOST RIDER mini. There was no story, Ghost Rider was hardly in it, the Art was unreadable.

[Mr.Musgrave]

He could, but he hasn't. He's still a moral man, and his views have changed somewhat since the silver age. If anything he's very anti-those ideas, and is aiming for a political approach. I think.

Now Xorneto (or the first Xorn in disguise) was murderous like that.

You're wrong. Every example I stated in my post are examples of things Magneto has done in the past. And none of those examples took place in the Silver Age. They all took place in the 90's or later. So, no, "Xorneto" is not the first time Magneto was murderous. He's always been murderous. Fanboys just refuse to see it.

And he's never, ever been political. He's never attempted to change laws or make things better though anything but force. He's not out lobbying for change, he's repeatedly EMPing the world and killing millions of people. Those are not the actions of a moral man. Don't buy the flowery "poor me" speeches.

I'd like to add 90% of the Magneto stories out there to my "worst ever" list.

[jadegiant77]

God, how can you pick just one? There have been SOOO many...

The recent Sentry miniseries was so crappy I gave up on it after the third issue. Nothing but a rehash of the last series(*gasp*..the Sentry is really the Void? The hell??).

Those Uncanny X-men issues with that Dominant Species wolfpack(who have all hopefully been depowered and beaten within an inch of their lives) sucked major ass.

House Of M #2-8(I actually liked #1).

I would say Marville, but I never actually brought an issue of that crap(that last issue with the fictional Epic line was crap)!

EDIT:To Moderators: happy now? :P

Never brought "Ultimate Adventures" either(Hawk-Owl? Come on, was this supposed to be serious??), but man did it suck ass.

[Valen]

The Bomber-jacket Avengers book
Excalibur (2005)
New Excalibur
Black Panther (current series)
The Heroes Return Minis (Doom, Young Allies, etc)

[unkiedev]

God, how can you pick just one? There have been SOOO many...

The recent Sentry miniseries was so **** I gave up on it after the third issue. Nothing but a rehash of the last series(*gasp*..the Sentry is really the Void? The hell??).

Never brought "Ultimate Adventures" either(Hawk-Owl? Come on, was this supposed to be serious??), but man did it suck ass.
Here, Here! Second Sentry mini was rotten.

Hawk-Owl, however, I was buying simply for Glenn Fabry's art, and on that point I was NOT dissapointed.

[Brandon McKinnis]

Underworld, Azzarello's Cage

[Spidergreg]

can i know why you guys hate Sins Past so much?
Because of Norman + Gwen ?

[RidleyX]

I have to say Ultimate 6 it might not be in the Marvel Universe but it the worse thing I brought, it was just so awful.

[bodie_3_7_ci5]

X-Force Vol. 2

[Ultimate Scorpion]

How about this little known Character.. Nocturne... Crap!!! I bought his 1st =issue and he battled this guy named Suture... WHat is up with that. A batman/Deadpool/MoonKnight knock off. Maybe it sounded good in the board room.

[Clint Barton]

I'd have to say the entirity of Omega The Unknown. I have 'em all and I still don't know what it's about.....

[Destro777]

So you really liked the fact that Magneto was turned from a man with right intentions but wrong ways of going about it to a flat out Hitler. He was putting humans in ****ing gas chambers. WTF!!! Magneto would never, never, never do this. Morrison does not like Magneto and did eveything he could to tear him apart.
Sounds like youre entirely skipping over that whole bit about the kick drug - which was a MAJOR part in Morrison's run, as well as reasons for Magneto's behavior. That Morrison run saved comics for me - its a shame they crapped it all away. Whedon is the only one trying to keep that New XMen spirit alive. Hey maybe Morrison will come back to the book in 10 years and fix it again.

[Sean Walsh]

That big Punisher crossover event, back when he had 3 different books (PUNISHER, WAR ZONE, WAR JOURNAL). That stands out as being quite awful.

[Alistair]

Hawk-Owl, however, I was buying simply for Glenn Fabry's art, and on that point I was NOT dissapointed.

Really? 'cuz if I was buying a mini for Fabry's art, and it turned out that the whole thing was pencilled by Duncan Fegredo, I'd be kind of annoyed... until I remembered that Fegredo also rocks! ;)

[Elegance Liberty]

Thor #461, or as I like to call it: "Dragon Ball Thor".

There's non-stop fighting on almost EVERY page. It's really kinda... eh.

I'm not so much angry that Bill got the crap kicked out of him or got punched to the cosmos, it's the fact I have to buy an issue of Silver Surfer to find out what happens to him (I could care less about emo*Thor himself, personally speaking) next. Had I known that when I went to the comic store, then, well... this issue would still be up here for the constant DBZ-ish fighting.

Are you guys sure the Ron Marz that wrote this dreck is the same Ron Marz who pretty much got people to take 'Witchblade' seriously after 8-some years?

[Expletive Deleted]

Was that the "Blood & Thunder" crossover?

I actually liked that one. Granted, I was already buying the Warlock titles and Silver Surfer at the time. So that may have ameliorated the "making me buy extra comics" factor for me.

[Elegance Liberty]

Was that the "Blood & Thunder" crossover?

I actually liked that one. Granted, I was already buying the Warlock titles and Silver Surfer at the time. So that may have ameliorated the "making me buy extra comics" factor for me.

I think it was one seperate from it... came several issues before. (I think the 'Infinity Crusade' tie-ins came after it for a short while, then it went to 'Blood and Thunder')

Yah-hah, here it is. (http://www.immortalthor.net/thor-461.jpg)

I actually griped about it to my older sister, and she said to me: "Welcome to the world of comic books."

D=

[Brandon McKinnis]

A lot of good ones mentioned and this may not be worthy of some of those, but I thought the 'Operation Galactic Storm' arc sucked. Maybe even worse than 'Xcutioners Song'.


I read Xcutioner's song again to see if it got any better..nope still sucked. Styfe has to be the whiniest villan ever, he should come back and team with Vulcan, then they should both be slapped retarded and sent off to bed with no dessert.

[Tancread]

Mine would be a Spider-Woman comic I read in the early 80s where she fought some aliens, long since forget the issue number but the story was insanely stupid and it looked like it was drawn in crayon. And not by someone skilled with crayons either.