ECW Review: " The rebirth of Extreme ! "

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Its been 5 years since ECW left this plane. It was supposedly gone. Its time was gone and people shed tears and said thier good-byes. Fans cherished it. They honest to god cherished the lil promotion from Philly.

How can one little wrestling promotion become something...else ? How can it trancend its existance and become something that 5 years later returns ? Love....love does it.

The fanbase never gave up on ECW. To the bitter end fans wanted it and demanded it. And Vince for a few years had to go thru court battles , get Smackdown ready and then....he sold an ECW DVD. Then Rob Van Dam talked him into holding a PPV. The rest was history as McMahon was shocked at how beloved this Extreme Championship Wrestling was.

Now we have a show.:evilsmile

The Good:

Paul Heyman welcomes us to ECW as the show has a snazzy new opening which is f-cking awesome. The new theme clicks and we see the guys who will star like Sandman , Dreamer , Angle and Rob Van Dam.

Heyman in ring calls out the WWE World Champion as Rob Van Dam walks out as he carries his WWE Title. Heyman and Rob go thru some funny stuff as he Paul E. does what everyone expects and names Rob the new " ECW World " champion as fans pop.

Fans start a " Throw it down " chant about the WWE Title. Yes, that belt is that respected. Rob however wants to keep it since he likes the spinner on it as he mocks Cena's belt. He can so carry 2 World Titles as he flaunts it !

Edge comes out and compliments Rob as the 2 shake hands. Then he spears him as Rob turns his back some. Rob gets helped up by Heyman as Cena shows up ! Then the 3 start fighting as Heyman gets laid out by Cena.

Backstage Heyman is ANGRY. If RAW wants to bring the War to ECW , by god he'll bring it to them . Next week ECW's coming to RAW by god and John Cena , your ass is grass son. Heyman's got a plan for you.

In the silly department , Paul shows us his grand plan to incorporate Sci-Fi into ECW with the Zombie. Who comes out like a damn reject as Sandman shows up pissed as usual and canes his sorry ass back to Plan 9 from Outer Space land. This ladies and gentlemen , is your Sci-FI.

We see new talent Barbie Blank show up as Kelly , an exhibitionist by god. She does a hot striptease for us and well...thats it. Mmmm nice ass Barbie.

ECW starts a 10 man Hardcore Gauntlet match where the winner gets Cena at Vengence because Heyman's pissed. Tommy comes out in a new shirt. We see Trinity who is now aligned with the F.B.I ( makes sense...mmm hot) and we see the re=teaming of Danny Doring and Roadkill.

Big Show lasts til the end as Big Guido costs him the match as Sabu wins ! Fans are really taking to Sabu and its about damn time. The man has fought for years and like Dreamer is starting to showcase why ECW fans loved them for so long.

The show ends as Sabu and fans chant ECW. I wonder how Smackdown calmed them down ?


The Bad : It sure looks wierd as f-ck to see an arena that big for Extreme Championship Wrestling. This is gonna take some getting used to. For me anyhow. My ECW was always small lol.

The fans who were there to watch Smackdown slowly came around to ECW by the end. They were I think impressed by how hard they'll work and all.

Kurt Angle vs Justin Credible should have went longer. I admit that. I can see that Paul's building Kurt as this MMA STUD who will legit whup your ass and thats pretty good thinking. Paul's a master at this. He knows what guys he can sacrifice to build Kurt I suppose.


OVERALL: *** Outta 5. Good opening with Rob and Paul. Plus good Hardcore Gauntlet. Its gonna take the show awhile to get these guys into a groove storyline wise but were seeing Paul work his magic. Trinity is with the F.B.I and Danny Doring and Roadkill are back. So he's gonna work these guys well.

[CDB]

It may take some time but tonight's premiere felt weak and flat. I mean the crowd didn't sound as hype, and some people were actually booing Van Damn. WTF? The ass wipping on Zomibe by Sandman was funny, and the Battle Royal was decent.

I rate it a 5.6 out of ten.

[Legato]

What is up with the crowd? If this were actuall ECW fans then RVD would have gotten some huge face heat.

[Royal]

Kurt Angle vs Justin Credible should have went longer. I admit that. I can see that Paul's building Kurt as this MMA STUD who will legit whup your ass and thats pretty good thinking. Paul's a master at this. He knows what guys he can sacrifice to build Kurt I suppose.


*raises hand*

um...yeah...um....

Where's the MMA?

I'm not trying to be a MMA mark here. I enjoy the fact that folks are interested in adding a bit of MMA to their moveset. I hope that it'll lead to something like good eating habits, excercise routines and drills and/or possibly some people looking into school to learn how to at least train or work right while injured. But....

You can't honestly tell me that the only thing wrong with that match was that it was too short.

If you're wondering how a real wrestling match with MMA looks like, try looking for Kenta Kobashi vs. Minoru Suzuki, some of the current matches of Jushin Liger in New Japan, some of Yugi Nigata's stuff, My boy, "Mr. MMA" Ryoji Sai, um....*thinks*...I think Ogawa broke some out in HUSTLE. OH! Kawada/Kojima Triple Crown match had some too!

I know it needs time to grow, but...off to a bad start, man.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

It may take some time but tonight's premiere felt weak and flat. I mean the crowd didn't sound as hype, and some people were actually booing Van Damn. WTF? The ass wipping on Zomibe by Sandman was funny, and the Battle Royal was decent.

I rate it a 5.6 out of ten.


This is what taping before Smackdown does at times. We'll see this. It shocked me to see ECW in that big a crowd. What will hurt ECW is the 1 hour time limit. Matches will be hard pressed at times.

[Erebus]

My "snake" died when I saw Kelly struggle with her bra-strap.

[CDB]

This is what taping before Smackdown does at times. We'll see this. It shocked me to see ECW in that big a crowd. What will hurt ECW is the 1 hour time limit. Matches will be hard pressed at times.

Taping before Smackdown...:confused: Ah man!!!:(

[Legato]

I like the big guy from the F.B.I. I could see him going far in ECW if it continues.

What happened to Big Sal?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I know it needs time to grow, but...off to a bad start, man.


Its hard to really launch something at times. TNA had some clusterf-ck 1st shows. ECW will too as the guys get used to the ring , arena's and fans at Smackdown tapings.

Plus Heyman's working with WWE storylines 1st. So we won't see a 15 minute match til the WWE cross-over ends.

[titanfan]

Its gonna take the show awhile to get these guys into a groove storyline wise but were seeing Paul work his magic.

You know, I presume this Vengeance stuff is going to take at least until next week's episode--and after that ratings need to stay up for the next 4-6 shows if they want sci-fi to pick this up for more than 12 weeks....

[marshal99]

Right now , new ECW seemed like an extention of RAW since the storylines are carrying on over from there , they do not yet have their own leg to stand on.

Until all these RAW washover is gone can they concentrate and promote on their own product. It's also not helped when the crowd is there to watch Smackdown and not quite as passionate as those hardcore ECW fans.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Right now , new ECW seemed like an extention of RAW since the storylines are carrying on over from there , they do not yet have their own leg to stand on.

Until all these RAW washover is gone can they concentrate and promote on their own product. It's also not helped when the crowd is there to watch Smackdown and not quite as passionate as those hardcore ECW fans.


ECW goes on the road soon. Its gonna get better. Heyman odds are isn't happy with tonights show and will work on shaking things up next week. He did make Rob ECW World Champion so expect the Tag Titles and TV Title to come out soon.

Plus in late summer he gets a lot of the OVW kids. He's gonna have a hell of a roster to work with. CM Punk will be a good addition here. He did slide Trinity into the F.B.I .

[Royal]

Its hard to really launch something at times. TNA had some clusterf-ck 1st shows. ECW will too as the guys get used to the ring , arena's and fans at Smackdown tapings.

Plus Heyman's working with WWE storylines 1st. So we won't see a 15 minute match til the WWE cross-over ends.

Lemme share with you the positive and neggative of MMA in PW.

The positive is that anyone can be beat at any time.

The negative is that anyone can be beat at any time.

That match didn't need time. It needed effort. Double legs don't end matches and they don't help chokes.

If they wanted to give this an MMAish flavor, all they had to do was a double leg into a whip powerbomb and then the heelhook. Have the commentary push the athletism of Angle and hype the point that he is so athletic, he can beat you anytime.

What they did was just sloppy and amaturish right down to the forearm choke.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Lemme share with you the positive and neggative of MMA in PW.

The positive is that anyone can be beat at any time.

The negative is that anyone can be beat at any time.

That match didn't need time. It needed effort. Double legs don't end matches and they don't help chokes.

If they wanted to give this an MMAish flavor, all they had to do was a double leg into a whip powerbomb and then the heelhook. Have the commentary push the athletism of Angle and hype the point that he is so athletic, he can beat you anytime.

What they did was just sloppy and amaturish right down to the forearm choke.

I really don't know MMA , Royal. I think they wanted Kurt to look like a legit bad ass ala Taz in the 90's and we saw this tonight. Hopefully we get more hardcore and longer matches next week.

Maybe next week we'll see an ECW Tag match with Doring/Roadkill vs F.B.I . Mamaluke is a talented guy. Plus Dreamer as always is willing to eat a table. :p

[Trucker Belt]

Damn, I had to play a double header tonight and I missed it... Thanks for the spoilers cuz I forgot to tape it.

I hate to read that they have a huge arena, I'd rather see the small ECW induced arena... The crowd is another needed element of ECW since it's basically another character in the program.

*still markin for ECW*

[Royal]

I really don't know MMA , Royal. I think they wanted Kurt to look like a legit bad ass ala Taz in the 90's and we saw this tonight. Hopefully we get more hardcore and longer matches next week.


I know. I'm trying to help out is all. What really lacked in that match was the ideas of cause and effect. Kurt's got to think "If I do this double leg, what positive ways or advantages I can take from it."

A lot of MMAish matches rely on science and psychology. You've got to know how the human body works so that submissions, chokes and even beatdowns have a place in the match. Every Movement Has Purpose. That's a basic law of MMA. The psychology comes in when you work a body part. Nobody works parts these days, but for MMAish matches, it's a perfect fit. You can work any part of the body. From arms for a Jujikatame (Cross Arm Breaker for the laymen) to ribs for a modified surfboard.

You feel me?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I know. I'm trying to help out is all. What really lacked in that match was the ideas of cause and effect. Kurt's got to think "If I do this double leg, what positive ways or advantages I can take from it."

A lot of MMAish matches rely on science and psychology. You've got to know how the human body works so that submissions, chokes and even beatdowns have a place in the match. Every Movement Has Purpose. That's a basic law of MMA. The psychology comes in when you work a body part. Nobody works parts these days, but for MMAish matches, it's a perfect fit. You can work any part of the body. From arms for a Jujikatame (Cross Arm Breaker for the laymen) to ribs for a modified surfboard.

You feel me?


Ohh yeah...this is your thing man. I refer to you on this. Its just something that will need to be worked on as your saying.

Paul's never ran that big of places with ECW. He's also only had 1 day of pro filming a show with this crew. So guys we have to give the " New " ECW a chance because odds are it could have been worser than we saw. It taped before Smackdown if you remember. In 4 to 3 hours it goes to Sci-Fi's hands so I can see how the production and stuff was f-cked.

Lets give Heyman a few shows to work the kinks outta this new crew and guys and see what happens. I have faith in him. Its the same thing I told friends about TNA when its 1st few shows weren't as good.... " Hey disregard the D-cks,Dupps, and those bad Disco Inferno spots. The X-Division could be something special ."

[TMC1982]

Some random thoughts:
*Did anybody else notice that little kids were in attendance at an ECW event?

*What was with Justin Credible (a former ECW World Champion) begin squashed by Kurt Angle? It's as if nothing else as changed from Justin Credible's most recent stint with WWE.

*What the hell was with that Kelly girl, who was doing the striptease? I was expecting and kind of hoping that someboy (e.g. several old ECW divas like Francine or Beulah) would've ambushed her.

*I hope that in the future episodes won't hold them at big arenas (as if the audience is waiting for the "SmackDown!" taping to begin).

*It seemed like the only ECW alumni who was able to keep his theme music was Sabu (I assume because WWE doesn't want to pay for royalties). I mean Sandman couldn't use the Metallica song, Justin Credible couldn't use "Snap Your Fingers", and Tommy Dreamer couldn't use "Man in a Box."

[marshal99]

Some random thoughts:
*Did anybody else notice that little kids were in attendance at an ECW event?

*What was with Justin Credible (a former ECW World Champion) begin squashed by Kurt Angle? It's as if nothing else as changed from Justin Credible's most recent stint with WWE.

*What the hell was with that Kelly girl, who was doing the striptease? I was expecting and kind of hoping that someboy (e.g. several old ECW divas like Francine or Beulah) would've ambushed her.

*I hope that in the future episodes won't hold them at big arenas (as if the audience is waiting for the "SmackDown!" taping to begin).

*It seemed like the only ECW alumni who was able to keep his theme music was Sabu (I assume because WWE doesn't want to pay for royalties). I mean Sandman couldn't use the Metallica song, Justin Credible couldn't use "Snap Your Fingers", and Tommy Dreamer couldn't use "Man in a Box."

There's kids because the show was for a smackdown taping , ECW just came on first. It's not their core audience , it was a mainstream WWE audience.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

i'm not giving up on ECW yet, but this is really not off to a good start. it had all the bad parts of your average episode of RAW jam packed onto 1 hour. there was not even 1 good match. sqaush matches making ECW look weak(justin is a former ECW champion) they had some chick that was believe it or not, even dumber than the diva search girls. i mean this girl doesn't even know how to take her bra off right. so after struggling with it for awhile then she takes the bra straps down and pulls her bra up...wtf?? why take the straps down if you're going to pull your bra up?? the battle royal kind of sucked too.


i must admit i did mark out for the zombie though he looked straight out of scoobie doo.

[titanfan]

must admit i did mark out for the zombie though he looked straight out of scoobie doo.

I loved the Zombie! Cool music, great look and hilarious on the mic! He could easily become a fan-favorite jobber. Best part of the show.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

I loved the Zombie! Cool music, great look and hilarious on the mic! He could easily become a fan-favorite jobber. Best part of the show.


he'll be a great jobber, that cloud of dust that comes off his body when ever he gets slammed is awesome, you can't teach stuff like that.

anybody got any info on the zombie??

[Tien Long]

I loved the Zombie! Cool music, great look and hilarious on the mic! He could easily become a fan-favorite jobber. Best part of the show

Oh God, the Zombie thing harkened back to an early 90s WWF "wrestlecrap" character. What's next, they're gonna bring out Mantaur?!

I was overall displeased with the ECW show. The arena, the size of the crowd, the overall lack of matches, the general reliance on WWE storylines, just didn't give the push that the return of ECW deserved. All in all, it felt too WWE. However, I definitely liked the last match, especially when Sabu won. For that reason alone, I think I will tune in next week.

[Dennis K]

Random thoughts on last night's ECW debut on SciFi:

Nice start, with RVD, Heyman, Edge and Cena.

Cena got cheered, as did Edge.

It looked like a WWE production, which makes sense of course. I realized that the only way I can make this work in my mind is if I don't try suspend disbelief and just think of ECW as another "brand" of WWE, like RAW and SMACKDOWN. Not only did it look small, it looked cheap.

The Zombie vs. Sandman? Not only stupid, but guilty of the worst crime in sports-entertainment, it was BORING.

One bimbo does a half-ass*ed striptease and Taz claims "I've never seen anything like it." Sad.

Angle was Angle, and that's great, but Leslie is right, if anybody else spent as much time simply laying on top of their opponent people would be complaining what a crappy performer he is.

Big Show moves to another brand, yet nothing really changes as he's eliminated in a way that's laughable in it's predictability.

The Battle Royal showed perhaps ECW's greatest problem: lack of talent, both in quantity and quality.

[Gaz]

I know. I'm trying to help out is all. What really lacked in that match was the ideas of cause and effect. Kurt's got to think "If I do this double leg, what positive ways or advantages I can take from it."

A lot of MMAish matches rely on science and psychology. You've got to know how the human body works so that submissions, chokes and even beatdowns have a place in the match. Every Movement Has Purpose. That's a basic law of MMA. The psychology comes in when you work a body part. Nobody works parts these days, but for MMAish matches, it's a perfect fit. You can work any part of the body. From arms for a Jujikatame (Cross Arm Breaker for the laymen) to ribs for a modified surfboard.

You feel me?
There's a balance to strike though. If you go too lax on it, the MMA fans won't buy it, if you go too far, the wrestling fans will get bored (part of why I don't watch boxing or MMA... it's dull to watch, even if it's intense to do)

[Gaz]

Some random thoughts:
*Did anybody else notice that little kids were in attendance at an ECW event?

*What was with Justin Credible (a former ECW World Champion) begin squashed by Kurt Angle? It's as if nothing else as changed from Justin Credible's most recent stint with WWE.

*What the hell was with that Kelly girl, who was doing the striptease? I was expecting and kind of hoping that someboy (e.g. several old ECW divas like Francine or Beulah) would've ambushed her.

*I hope that in the future episodes won't hold them at big arenas (as if the audience is waiting for the "SmackDown!" taping to begin).

*It seemed like the only ECW alumni who was able to keep his theme music was Sabu (I assume because WWE doesn't want to pay for royalties). I mean Sandman couldn't use the Metallica song, Justin Credible couldn't use "Snap Your Fingers", and Tommy Dreamer couldn't use "Man in a Box."

Tommy's music is a rip-off of Man In A Box (much like DDP used to use a version of Smells Like Teen Spirit). But Vince could easily get the Motorhead cover of Enter Sandman (unless Hunter's hogging the Lemmy for himself).

Credible was only main event in ECW due to roster depletion, he'd never have made it above midcard otherwise.

The July 4th taping is at the Bingo Hall.

[Super Sonic]

We owe it to Heyman to give this a chance at least until after Vengeance. =P

Haven't seen it yet, but it don't sound too pretty.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

There's a balance to strike though. If you go too lax on it, the MMA fans won't buy it, if you go too far, the wrestling fans will get bored (part of why I don't watch boxing or MMA... it's dull to watch, even if it's intense to do)


they shouldn't even try to please MMA fans, the majority of them hate prowrestling anyways. MMA fans think prowrestling fans don't know it's fake.

however i disagree that MMA is dull to watch, especialy when you really grasp all aspects of the sport it's very xciting. UFC kind of sux though.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

We owe it to Heyman to give this a chance at least until after Vengeance. =P

Haven't seen it yet, but it don't sound too pretty.

i don't owe heyman shit. i paid $$ for ONS II so we're even steven in my book.

[Gaz]

they shouldn't even try to please MMA fans, the majority of them hate prowrestling anyways. MMA fans think prowrestling fans don't know it's fake.

however i disagree that MMA is boring, especialy when you realy grasp all aspects of the sport it's very xciting. UFC kind of sux though.
Short arm punches and minutes of watching someone try an armbar aren't interesting enough to me to make me WANT to put the effort in.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Short arm punches and minutes of watching someone try an armbar aren't interesting enough to me to make me WANT to put the effort in.

there's also high kicks, stomps, flying armbars, rolling knee bars, KO slams, judo throws, flying knees, triangle chokes, all kinds of crazy shit can happen. it's not all jiu jitsu.

[Lord of Denial]

That was the crap-fest to end all crap-fests. The production sucked the interviews sucked, the sexy chick sucked, the matches sucked.

Everything sucked.

Paul Heyman or whoever is in charge should hang thier head in shame.

[Gaz]

there's also high kicks, stomps, flying armbars, rolling knee bars, KO slams, judo throws, flying knees, triangle chokes, all kinds of crazy shit can happen. it's not all jiu jitsu.
Possibly my bad luck, but anytime I turn over, it's two dudes tied up on the mat, either try to lock a submission or slugging away.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Possibly my bad luck, but anytime I turn over, it's two dudes tied up on the mat, either try to lock a submission or slugging away.

sounds like UFC.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

now that i think about it they should run with this kelly not being able to get her bra off thing. think about it, an xhibitionist so stupid she doesn't even know how to take her clothes off. that could be pretty interesting and mildly entertaining.

[Forefinger]

I made the mistake of getting all excited about ECW being back on. It was a dissapointment, but still pretty darn good if you go by the standards that RAW, Smackdown, and Impact lay down for televised wrasslin'. I'll be watching next week to see if it's better. Anyway, it's good that ECW is back.

Yeah. I was getting into the striptease..............and then the bra hooks came into it.............dumbass chick

[tricksterpup]

I made the mistake of getting all excited about ECW being back on. It was a dissapointment, but still pretty darn good if you go by the standards that RAW, Smackdown, and Impact lay down for televised wrasslin'. I'll be watching next week to see if it's better. Anyway, it's good that ECW is back.

Yeah. I was getting into the striptease..............and then the bra hooks came into it.............dumbass chick
You and me both man.. it was nice until it became sad.
Now she's the hot chick that you feel sorry for.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

. It was a dissapointment, but still pretty darn good if you go by the standards that RAW, Smackdown, and Impact lay down for televised wrasslin'. I'll be watching next week to see if it's better. Anyway, it's good that ECW is back.



no man, even by those standards it was still pretty bad. it had everything that's wrong with RAW but almost none of the good. i'll still be watching next week too of course, i figure it can only get better. we all know what heymans capable of he really needs to make it happen now. wonder how justin credible feels??

[tricksterpup]

no man, even by those standards it was still pretty bad. it had everything that's wrong with RAW but almost none of the good. i'll still be watching next week too of course, i figure it can only get better. we all know what heymans capable of he really needs to make it happen now. wonder how justin credible feels??
Not very Credible..
I am sorry but that match still rubs me raw the most. I was just expecting Justin to fight back. He should just laid on his back and had his legs up in the air to be fucked by Angle. It was sad, really it was.

[Forefinger]

Not very Credible..
I am sorry but that match still rubs me raw the most. I was just expecting Justin to fight back. He should just laid on his back and had his legs up in the air to be fucked by Angle. It was sad, really it was.
It was just to pump up the "new" Angle. I'm hoping that Justin will beat his ass with a chair or something next week.

[Forefinger]

You and me both man.. it was nice until it became sad.
Now she's the hot chick that you feel sorry for.
She obviously needs more practice. Go help her out trickster.

[Forefinger]

no man, even by those standards it was still pretty bad. it had everything that's wrong with RAW but almost none of the good. i'll still be watching next week too of course, i figure it can only get better. we all know what heymans capable of he really needs to make it happen now. wonder how justin credible feels??
Well, I wasn't watching ECW way back when, so watching Justin Credible get squashed doesn't matter to me.

I've seen RAWs and a Smackdown or two recently where I'm left wondering "Why the hell did I waste almost 2 hours watching that?" ECW wasn't great, but at least I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time.

To me the only really dissapointment was the 10 man battle royal. Not a bit of blood in there. Why not?

[Royal]

they shouldn't even try to please MMA fans, the majority of them hate prowrestling anyways. MMA fans think prowrestling fans don't know it's fake.

however i disagree that MMA is dull to watch, especialy when you really grasp all aspects of the sport it's very xciting. UFC kind of sux though.

I'm with lbo. The MMA community mostly isn't impressed with pro wrestling even though some of their biggest heroes (mainly The Shamrocks, Tamura and Sakuraba) are from the pro wrestling sector. This is because some of the early MMA of Japan was partial or really fixed to appeal to the pro wrestling and casual fans.

And MMA is not all dull. My guess is that you are possibly watching UFC or a league using Unified rules. Unified kills the flow of action for the sake of safety and can be super dull at times. You should look for Cage Rage. They work under a modified version which is more fast paced and flows more.

[tricksterpup]

She obviously needs more practice. Go help her out trickster.
Damn, you know, I tried to go to wwe.com to look her up and get some info on her and what do you know. WWE is websensed. *sigh*

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Well, I wasn't watching ECW way back when, so watching Justin Credible get squashed doesn't matter to me.

I've seen RAWs and a Smackdown or two recently where I'm left wondering "Why the hell did I waste almost 2 hours watching that?" ECW wasn't great, but at least I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time.

To me the only really dissapointment was the 10 man battle royal. Not a bit of blood in there. Why not?

i don't care much about justin either, but the thing is he's a former ECW world champ and the message sent is basicly he's not even close to angles league, so what does that say about the ECW title and those who held it?? angle doesn't even need the boost at this point, he should've just came out and cut a promo and let somebody else have a decent match. i mean come on give us 1 match.

[Dennis K]

Tommy Dreamer the Innovator of Violence? Perpetuator of Sameness would be more accurate.

[Forefinger]

i don't care much about justin either, but the thing is he's a former ECW world champ and the message sent is basicly he's not even close to angles league, so what does that say about the ECW title and those who held it?? angle doesn't even need the boost at this point, he should've just came out and cut a promo and let somebody else have a decent match. i mean come on give us 1 match.
I smell what you're cooking. If Angle can squash the entire roster, who is there for him to wrassle? Big Show?

[Royal]

I smell what you're cooking. If Angle can squash the entire roster, who is there for him to wrassle? Big Show?

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[marshal99]

Damn, you know, I tried to go to wwe.com to look her up and get some info on her and what do you know. WWE is websensed. *sigh*

Barbie "Kelly" Blank is on ECW.com ,you can check out her photos there and jack off to that. ;)

I don't know why people are obsessed with her struggling to take off her bra , it's like only a delay of what ? 5 seconds ? In 5 seconds , you can see another match or something ?

[Donald Stone]

Well, I wasn't watching ECW way back when, so watching Justin Credible get squashed doesn't matter to me.
Bah, most old-school ECW fans don't mind Justin getting squashed either. He was ECW champ in much the same was JBL was WWE Champ.

He did well as one of the Impact Players, but thats really about as high as he should have gone.

[Lord of Denial]

.

Some have said to cut them a break it was the first show. Screw that, they should know that their first show is an important one and with the wealth of experience in the company there is no excuse for what they put on TV.

It is not like they are some upstart promotion that is just getting in to the game. Paul E has at least 20 years experience and he is back by the leader in the wrestling world WWE. With that kind of knowledge and experience it is hard to see how a company's very first show could suck so damn bad.

[Jared]

That was not ECW. In no way, shape or form. It should have been called Tuesday Night Raw. And it wasn't even a good Raw at that! Maybe Stephanie or the suits at Sci-fi screwed it up with meddling, because we know that Heyman still knows how to book, and plenty of guys on the roster can put on an exciting show, even without all the cursing and barb wire.

Frankly, I don't see why they don't just use a few pro cameras at the House shows, and use backstage semgents to round out an ECW show. It'd be like the old late-night syndicated show, but with better production values.

[Forefinger]

http://www.gerweck.net/terkay.jpg

http://img1.sports.krs.yahoo.com/fighter/person/big/personImage_00000837.jpg
Are those guys coming to ECW?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I'm thinking more and more that the show was more or less to get it launched and to roll. Odds are the whhole atmosphere that we saw was done in a way to make fans of old ECW think back to the past where there were glitches on live shows and Heyman left them in.

Odds are Barbie will come out as a an exibitionist klutz type. She may next week trip on her to the ring. Also...whos to say Heyman didn't tell her to screw up with her bra ? Because lets think about it....hot woman who has done plenty of pinups. I can't see her not knowing how to unsnap a bra ! ( and how many attempts did she do ?)

Funniest thing I saw...the kids in the crowd with ECW shirts on. Yep the 9 and 10 yearolds who are now becoming exposed to ECW. If anything this ECW's gonna be a different animal and draw the young children people.

I doubt we'll see Tommy do a blad job each week . But there are things I do suspect Heyman will work in soon. The up close camera scenes of the guys talkin to the camera. Like how Foley sold himself ect ect. I suspect those will make a comeback soon.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Tommy Dreamer the Innovator of Violence? Perpetuator of Sameness would be more accurate.


Don't be dissin my Hardcore Hero. The man is someone who is the heart of ECW. If anything...he should have gotten to face Cena. I could see Tommy fighting hard for ECW.

But Tommy has to get his charactor over more for the mainstream. Most WWE fans know him as the guy who eats hair. Not the hardcore legend who once took a choke slam thru a wooden door from Brian Lee off a cage !

[Dennis K]

Don't be dissin my Hardcore Hero


"dissin"? 1997 called, they want their cliche back

[Super Sonic]

I'm thinking more and more that the show was more or less to get it launched and to roll. Odds are the whhole atmosphere that we saw was done in a way to make fans of old ECW think back to the past where there were glitches on live shows and Heyman left them in.

Odds are Barbie will come out as a an exibitionist klutz type. She may next week trip on her to the ring. Also...whos to say Heyman didn't tell her to screw up with her bra ? Because lets think about it....hot woman who has done plenty of pinups. I can't see her not knowing how to unsnap a bra ! ( and how many attempts did she do ?)

Funniest thing I saw...the kids in the crowd with ECW shirts on. Yep the 9 and 10 yearolds who are now becoming exposed to ECW. If anything this ECW's gonna be a different animal and draw the young children people.

I doubt we'll see Tommy do a blad job each week . But there are things I do suspect Heyman will work in soon. The up close camera scenes of the guys talkin to the camera. Like how Foley sold himself ect ect. I suspect those will make a comeback soon.



I hope you're right, I really do, but from what I've read, this is what Vince thinks ECW, and this is what he wants, apperantly yesterday he and Heyman had a little arguement about what Vince wanted to go on, Heyman didn't like it.....guess who won.

[Royal]

Are those guys coming to ECW?

Terkay is. They're talking to Randleman.

[Super Sonic]

Terkay is. They're talking to Randleman.

This is good, yes?


(If done right of course)

[tricksterpup]

Don't be dissin my Hardcore Hero. The man is someone who is the heart of ECW. If anything...he should have gotten to face Cena. I could see Tommy fighting hard for ECW.

But Tommy has to get his charactor over more for the mainstream. Most WWE fans know him as the guy who eats hair. Not the hardcore legend who once took a choke slam thru a wooden door from Brian Lee off a cage !
My Hardcore Hero was Mike Lockwood, better known as Crash Holly. He was the man that took the Hardcore title 24/7. I miss the guy. It was a funny bit that I really enjoyed.
Miss you Mike.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2003/11/06/holly_crash.jpg

He was used mostly as a comedy wrestler, announced as weighing "Well over 400 pounds" despite his small stature and carrying a scale to the ring. His greatest WWE claim to fame was his multiple Hardcore Championship reigns. He was the first champion to adhere to the 24/7 rule and sketches revolving around wrestlers, non-wrestlers, and WWE agents Pat Patterson & Gerald Briscoe trying to steal the title from him were frequently a part of WWE programming.

[marshal99]

But Crash Holly was a joke and the hardcore title was a joke at that time , it was funny yes but never taken as a serious title , not till RVD won it and made it more legit.

Those hardcore matches with the rubbish bin and all has its merits though , as the title was used so that underused characters can have their TV time and those mass brawls for the title was a hoot to watch. :)
I liked it when Big Show won it and had to fend off those multiple lower midcarders who would rush into the ring and get beaten down. :D

[tricksterpup]

But Crash Holly was a joke and the hardcore title was a joke at that time , it was funny yes but never taken as a serious title , not till RVD won it and made it more legit.

Those hardcore matches with the rubbish bin and all has its merits though , as the title was used so that underused characters can have their TV time and those mass brawls for the title was a hoot to watch. :)
I liked it when Big Show won it and had to fend off those multiple lower midcarders who would rush into the ring and get beaten down. :D
Are you saying it wasn't Legit under Mick Folley as Mankind in 98.

[Royal]

This is good, yes?


(If done right of course)

Very good.

If done right that is.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Odds are Vince wants to make his RAW/ECW cross-over look good for now. Thats why he's taking a hand in it . What he has to understand is he has to let Paul run this. It doesn't work if he wants a WWE show.

This is the very thing I feared. He won't let a show be different and if this is the case..why bother ? This was supposed to be the Hardcore show and appeal to that fanbase. Not appeal to the fans of RAW.

Hopefully the sh-tstorm this is causing makes Vince realize his errors. He can't afford to make ECW the light version of RAW. Its gonna be ECW in a lotta forms. Fans will accept the silly Sci-Fi crap for the most part but not a WWE light version of RAW.

He's got some weeks ahead. He has to let Paul and keep Kevin Dunn away from this.

[Erebus]

Does anyone else feel that Vinnie Mac is showing obvious favor to Raw over Smackdown? I mean, currently, Raw and ECW are having a storyline, and Tazz, Nunzio, and Kurt Angle are transferred over to ECW, and now JBL is color commentator :(

[Donald Stone]

Are you saying it wasn't Legit under Mick Folley as Mankind in 98.Not reallt, as the title was just a prop for him till he lost it. It didn't actually mean anything.

[marshal99]

Are you saying it wasn't Legit under Mick Folley as Mankind in 98.

Sadly , i didn't keep track of WWF programming or wrestling in general durng that time period so i can't really say much about Foley as the hardcore champ.

[Super Sonic]

Very good.

If done right that is.

Let's hope they don't come near it 'till after Vengeance then. ;)

[Super Sonic]

Does anyone else feel that Vinnie Mac is showing obvious favor to Raw over Smackdown? I mean, currently, Raw and ECW are having a storyline, and Tazz, Nunzio, and Kurt Angle are transferred over to ECW, and now JBL is color commentator :(

I asked this exact same thing not to long ago, and sadly nothing's changed Vince favours RAW over Smackdown. =(

[DanH]

This seems to have happened in a three day period this time arouund,..What are your thoughts on the ECW program that aired last night?More specifically,...You the wrestling viewer were promised a new Breed ECW?...Are you happy with what was presented to you and do you like the new breed?

[clayholio]

I asked this exact same thing not to long ago, and sadly nothing's changed Vince favours RAW over Smackdown. =(
Even though that's the case, I still find Smackdown much more watchable than Raw most of the time. Even without factoring in the cruiserweights, SD wrestlers generally wrestle a much faster pace than Raw, where everyone seems to plod along at HHH's pace. And when things get Katie Vick/Dr. Heinie bad, it's usually on Raw and not SD.

[StoneGold]

You're a liar. This wasn't a review. One sentence of commentary and then asking us what we think isn't a review. I feel cheated.

[JohnPopa]

If only there already was a five page thread on the ECW relaunch.

Oh, wait, there is.

[Forefinger]

You're a liar. This wasn't a review. One sentence of commentary and then asking us what we think isn't a review. I feel cheated.

That's not very apathetic.

[Gaz]

Are you saying it wasn't Legit under Mick Folley as Mankind in 98.
Not really. It was originally a gag to push Mick and Vince's angle.

RVD made it legit enough that he feuded with 'Taker over it.

[Gaz]

Even though that's the case, I still find Smackdown much more watchable than Raw most of the time. Even without factoring in the cruiserweights, SD wrestlers generally wrestle a much faster pace than Raw, where everyone seems to plod along at HHH's pace. And when things get Katie Vick/Dr. Heinie bad, it's usually on Raw and not SD.
That's because Vince pays so little attention. They get the green or B-list guys, but the rules aren't quite as strict and Vinnie's "jokes" don't make it to the B-show.

[Gaz]

Review (http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/artman/publish/article_833.shtml) by James Guttman of WorldWrestlingInsanity.com

[Forefinger]

I just watched Angle vs. Orton at ONS. I have to say it was pretty damn good. Both guys really did some great stuff.

[DanH]

That's not very apathetic.
apathetic,...Thats what ECW is now apathetic joke of it's former self.

[Lord of Denial]

Terkay is. They're talking to Randleman.


Lord nows The Monster can do one hell of a suplex!

Ask Fedor!

[Super Sonic]

...makin' loadsa new friends, Dan.

[Royal]

Lord nows The Monster can do one hell of a suplex!

Ask Fedor!

The Monster is ECW!

http://hometown.aol.com/bryant97young/images/14119890_l.gif

COLOMBUSTTTAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[DanH]

...makin' loadsa new friends, Dan.


Hey Sonic in the words of Ric Steiner...Don't Like Me,..Bite Me!

[DanH]

The following is from WWE.com:

Goldust released
June 14, 2006

WWE has come to an agreement on the release of Goldust (Dustin Runnels) as of today, June 14, 2006. WWE wishes Dustin the best in all future endeavors

Now,..How do you think this is going to set with Dusty Rhodes<Virgil Runnels>
who is Goldust's father....Remember Duty is working for WWE in a position with some booking power he could screw over WWE bigtime if he wanted by putting crappy matches together...Vince would argue and try to veto them but if Dusty could get enough people to back him,..they might be able to pull something over on Vince.

[Donald Stone]

Vince would argue and try to veto them but if Dusty could get enough people to back him,..they might be able to pull something over on Vince.Dude, this is Vince.

If Dusty got the entire writing staff to back him over Vince..... Vince would fire them all and laugh while doing it.

[tricksterpup]

The following is from WWE.com:

Goldust released
June 14, 2006

WWE has come to an agreement on the release of Goldust (Dustin Runnels) as of today, June 14, 2006. WWE wishes Dustin the best in all future endeavors

Now,..How do you think this is going to set with Dusty Rhodes<Virgil Runnels>
who is Goldust's father....Remember Duty is working for WWE in a position with some booking power he could screw over WWE bigtime if he wanted by putting crappy matches together...Vince would argue and try to veto them but if Dusty could get enough people to back him,..they might be able to pull something over on Vince.
Again???? jeez.. He gets let go every year. I am a huge Goldust Fan and I am saddened by this.

[Super Sonic]

Hey Sonic in the words of Ric Steiner...Don't Like Me,..Bite Me!


...no thanks.

But seriously, you can't say that thread wasn't in really bad taste, especially when there was this one.

[CDB]

The Monster is ECW!

http://hometown.aol.com/bryant97young/images/14119890_l.gif

COLOMBUSTTTAAAAAAAAAA!!!!


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN NNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!! :eek: :eek:

[Jamal]

Dan I'm a TNA fan but man you are not helping with all the sniping. You were right ECW sucked ass last night ( God I hate saying that about ECW ). I said it was going to suck 3 weeks ago but the fact is your going to make the guys who are on the fence about watching TNA not watch just because your talking so much crap.

Remember that people tend to go the other way if you push too hard, so please from one TNA fan to another easy up some OK. If TNA is the light at the end of the tunnel then let them see it on their own. Real wrestling fan will watch it if it good.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I just saw the last 25 minutes where Angle accepted the Orton challenge, the Kelly ass shaking, and Sabu winning the battle royal. Seemed a little mediocre but what was this Zombie deal? How long is that gonna last? And is SuperCrazy gonna join back up with ECW?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I know. I'm trying to help out is all. What really lacked in that match was the ideas of cause and effect. Kurt's got to think "If I do this double leg, what positive ways or advantages I can take from it."

A lot of MMAish matches rely on science and psychology. You've got to know how the human body works so that submissions, chokes and even beatdowns have a place in the match. Every Movement Has Purpose. That's a basic law of MMA. The psychology comes in when you work a body part. Nobody works parts these days, but for MMAish matches, it's a perfect fit. You can work any part of the body. From arms for a Jujikatame (Cross Arm Breaker for the laymen) to ribs for a modified surfboard.

You feel me?

Mickie James works body parts. Psychotic and a ring psychologist. I love her.:D

[mistervader]

I'm with lbo. The MMA community mostly isn't impressed with pro wrestling even though some of their biggest heroes (mainly The Shamrocks, Tamura and Sakuraba) are from the pro wrestling sector. This is because some of the early MMA of Japan was partial or really fixed to appeal to the pro wrestling and casual fans.

And MMA is not all dull. My guess is that you are possibly watching UFC or a league using Unified rules. Unified kills the flow of action for the sake of safety and can be super dull at times. You should look for Cage Rage. They work under a modified version which is more fast paced and flows more.

Why would Unified Rules make for a slow-paced match? I'd really like to know more about this, because for ages, I've been weaned on UFC, so being told it's not the Ayatollah of MMA is a bit new to me.

[Royal]

Why would Unified Rules make for a slow-paced match? I'd really like to know more about this, because for ages, I've been weaned on UFC, so being told it's not the Ayatollah of MMA is a bit new to me.

Well, as I said before, it forsakes natural flow for safety. For instance, Unified bans all stomps and kicks to a downed opponent. So let's say I knocked down an opponent and he folds himself up...he turtles. The natural thing to do is to cave his head in with a kick, but because I can't kick or stomp him, I have to work to get behind him and smack his ribs, until he pokes his head up or the ref gets it back to standing position. I used up a lot of energy basicly by doing nothing.

Another reason Unified makes for a slower paced match is that it sorta stacked against people who can keep the flow of action going even on the ground. The judging criteria awards "mat positioning". This means that while it favors base arts like Boxing and Wrestling, more advanced ground arts like Judo and Catch are hindered because they can work from the ground. So I'm a Judoka and my opponent is a Wrestler. I have more pressure in ending the fight then my opponent. If he knows how well a Judoka I am, all he has to do is take me to the ground and sit on me. I can have him bleeding out of his mouth and nose, apply three or four submission attempts and have him on the verge of unconsiousness all from the bottom and the Wrestler will still win because he's been racking up points on the "Mat Positioning" part of the judge's scorecard. All because he sat on me.

Cool?

[hitokiri_]

The Monster is ECW!

http://hometown.aol.com/bryant97young/images/14119890_l.gif

COLOMBUSTTTAAAAAAAAAA!!!!


who's the poor guy that got pwned by randleman?

[Royal]

who's the poor guy that got pwned by randleman?

Fedor.

But he won the match.

[mistervader]

who's the poor guy that got pwned by randleman?
Fedor didn't get pwn3d. In classic no-selling, he got up and hit his finisher.

Man, what a crappy worker that Fedor is. He doesn't even know how to sell a suplex like th...

What? You mean it was a REAL fight? Holy crap! :p

@Royal:

Thanks for the info. I guess the fact that I can only see UFC in the Philippines DOES hinder my knowledge of MMA quite a bit...

[Royal]

@Royal:

Thanks for the info. I guess the fact that I can only see UFC in the Philippines DOES hinder my knowledge of MMA quite a bit...

No PRIDE or Shooto?

[mistervader]

No PRIDE or Shooto?
To my recollection, no.

And they only play random UFC reruns at that, too, so I don't even know who won between Shamrock-Ortiz II. I still see Kevin Couture schooling Ortiz, Frank Shamrock fighting, etc. Old, old stuff.

[Jamal]

Shamrock/Ortiz 2 hasn't happened yet

[titanfan]

HOLY SHIT!

- The June 13 ECW debut on Sci Fi did a 2.79 cable rating, with an average audience of 3.4 million viewers. This included a 2.6 in the M18-49 demographic and 3.1 in the M18-34.


This is easily going to be the #2 cable show behind RAW this week. Weren't they talking about being ecstatic with a 1.5?

Granted, retaining the audience (after a shitty show) next week is going to be the true challenge though.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Barbie "Kelly" Blank is on ECW.com ,you can check out her photos there and jack off to that. ;)

I don't know why people are obsessed with her struggling to take off her bra , it's like only a delay of what ? 5 seconds ? In 5 seconds , you can see another match or something ?

because that's all she had to do was take her clothes off and she couldn't even get that right. what use is a WWE diva if she can't take her clothes off?? certainly it's not to wrestle.

[marshal99]

because that's all she had to do was take her clothes off and she couldn't even get that right. what use is a WWE diva if she can't take her clothes off?? certainly it's not to wrestle.

Mistakes do happen , especially as she's probably nervous being in front of thousands of people live for the first time , cut her some slack. Eeesh !

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Mistakes do happen , especially as she's probably nervous being in front of thousands of people live for the first time , cut her some slack. Eeesh !

well if she had to cut a promo or something i could understand, but i get the feeling that wasn't her 1st time taking her clothes off infront of a crowd. on top of that she's kelly the "xhibitionist" taking her clothes off is the 1 thing she should be able to do well. if chris masters had came out and not known how to flex would he be cut any slack?? if the zombie came out and fucked up his lines would he be cut any slack??

and again the dumbass took her bra straps down and then pulled her bra up, wtf?? she's the diva eqivaulent of great khali.

[Super Sonic]

Ok, I've watched it, knowing all of this, I still watched it to see for myself what it was like.

And, I'm not mad, not angry or frustrated, but upset, not boo hoo upset, but upset because ECW was something I really got into over the past year, if WWE released a ECW DVD I bought it, if I found an old ECW tape or DVD I bought it, if I could download anything ECW I did, I learned all I could about it, so much so, I wish I was born ten years earlier and could somehow make it to philidelphia, just for one show.

...and I got that? That hour that I'm ashamed to have watched....it's just, well, upsetting.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

now we all know how magiesux felt when greatness(HHH) finaly returned to RAW:(

[Lord of Denial]

Fedor didn't get pwn3d. In classic no-selling, he got up and hit his finisher.

Man, what a crappy worker that Fedor is. He doesn't even know how to sell a suplex like th...

What? You mean it was a REAL fight? Holy crap! :p

@Royal:

Thanks for the info. I guess the fact that I can only see UFC in the Philippines DOES hinder my knowledge of MMA quite a bit...



That fight is where the theory that Fedor is a cyborg got started. He not only took that suplex but he reversed Kevin's top position 10 seconds later and slapped on a kumura for the win all in 20 seconds of that suplex.

[lboinyamouf4sho]

That fight is where the theory that Fedor is a cyborg got started. He not only took that suplex but he reversed Kevin's top position 10 seconds later and slapped on a kumura for the win all in 20 seconds of that suplex.


and on that same night quinton rampage jackson powerbombed arona straight to hell. i think you can find a clip of that on youtube. quinton's commentary durring that fight(fedor vs randleman) was hilarious.

[Lord of Denial]

and on that same night quinton rampage jackson powerbombed arona straight to hell. i think you can find a clip of that on youtube. quinton's commentary durring that fight(fedor vs randleman) was hilarious.


Quinton is the funniest guy in MMA. He did some commentary with Don Fry once and it was the funniest shit I have ever heard.

Favorite Jackson line

Watching a Heath Herring fight

Jackson- " Is that Heath's nut hanging out his draws?"

[lboinyamouf4sho]

Quinton is the funniest guy in MMA. He did some commentary with Don Fry once and it was the funniest shit I have ever heard.

Favorite Jackson line

Watching a Heath Herring fight

Jackson- " Is that Heath's nut hanging out his draws?"

i liked when he was talking about when he and randleman fought "when randleman came to pride i didn't like it, i was like, i'm the token black guy in pride. that is wack!!"

[Forefinger]

Mickie James works body parts. Psychotic and a ring psychologist. I love her.:D
I love her too. She has nice body parts.

[tricksterpup]

Mickie James works body parts. Psychotic and a ring psychologist. I love her.:D
Yes she does.. and she also makes my heart go flutter.

[Forefinger]

She and Candice are my favorite divas. I'll bet that they could take their bras off if it was required!

[tricksterpup]

She and Candice are my favorite divas. I'll bet that they could take their bras off if it was required!
Yeah, but I still miss Ivory, she was one of my favorites.

But speaking of Divas, When I saw the chick on ECW. for some reason reminded me of Terri Runnels. I thought she would make a great porn star. I still think Terri would as well.

[Forefinger]

I want Candice to go to ECW just so I could see a blatent, no-excuses, strip-tease. Not that I didn't enjoy the wet t-shirt match on RAW or anything. :D

[DanH]

This ECW is NOT a rebirth,..IT's more like the after birth.

[marshal99]

I want Candice to go to ECW just so I could see a blatent, no-excuses, strip-tease. Not that I didn't enjoy the wet t-shirt match on RAW or anything. :D

Bah , go rent the hotel erotica softporn movie if you want to see more of Candice Michelle. :D

[Forefinger]

I have the internet, but it smacks of effort to go search for clips of it (I've seen 'em all anyway:D)

[Forefinger]

Yeah, but I still miss Ivory, she was one of my favorites.

But speaking of Divas, When I saw the chick on ECW. for some reason reminded me of Terri Runnels. I thought she would make a great porn star. I still think Terri would as well.
Ivory was pretty good. I guess she's just gotten too old to be a WWE diva, or was she released when all the others that could actually wrassle were? She was doing the Tough Enough and then I don't remember seeing her back in WWE. I could be wrong though.

I always liked her as well.

[titanfan]

Ivory was pretty good. I guess she's just gotten too old to be a WWE diva, or was she released when all the others that could actually wrassle were? She was doing the Tough Enough and then I don't remember seeing her back in WWE. I could be wrong though.

Ivory was the first WWE diva who I really liked. She was the one who got me interested in the women's division.

They kept Ivory on for awhile after all the releases. She used to co-host HEAT with Todd Grisham and used to appear at PPVs--but when HEAT went off cable TV they released her. She also was a trainer for OVW. (The job Molly Holly now has) She is supposedly well liked by some of the higher ups, so I could see them bringing her back from time to time to help put some of the new women wrestlers over.

[marshal99]

Whatever happened to the original Tori ?

She appeared in the first tough enough and then she got released soon after being exposed as Raven mysterious female ninja helper.

[hitokiri_]

To my recollection, no.

And they only play random UFC reruns at that, too, so I don't even know who won between Shamrock-Ortiz II. I still see Kevin Couture schooling Ortiz, Frank Shamrock fighting, etc. Old, old stuff.


PRIDE was shown in solar USA. but they changed the tv station to jack. i miss PRIDE. no more kazushiiiiii..... sakurabaaaa...

[hitokiri_]

Whatever happened to the original Tori ?

She appeared in the first tough enough and then she got released soon after being exposed as Raven mysterious female ninja helper.


ninja? what the hell?

[Lord of Denial]

To my recollection, no.

And they only play random UFC reruns at that, too, so I don't even know who won between Shamrock-Ortiz II. I still see Kevin Couture schooling Ortiz, Frank Shamrock fighting, etc. Old, old stuff.


They have not fought again yet. They will fight in UFC 61.

And Randy Couture schooling Ortiz and slapping him on the ass is always damn funny.

[mistervader]

They have not fought again yet. They will fight in UFC 61.

And Randy Couture schooling Ortiz and slapping him on the ass is always damn funny.
1. Cool. But even if I hate Ortiz, my money's on him.

2. Best thing that happened in my MMA viewing, EVER. Especially after watching all that trash talk from Ortiz.

[Lord of Denial]

1. Cool. But even if I hate Ortiz, my money's on him.

2. Best thing that happened in my MMA viewing, EVER. Especially after watching all that trash talk from Ortiz.


Yeah Shamrock is to old and not well-rounded enough to handle Ortiz. Last time Tito gave him a nasty beating Ken's face looked like he was wearing a bee beard and then he pissed them off.

[adamthered]

ninja? what the hell?

My memory is foggy but there was some storyline on Heat involving Raven and a ninja. They revealed the ninja was Tori and then the storyline stopped abruptly and nothing was ever done with it again.

I sure one of the more learned posters probably knows more details.

[Super Sonic]

My memory is foggy but there was some storyline on Heat involving Raven and a ninja. They revealed the ninja was Tori and then the storyline stopped abruptly and nothing was ever done with it again.

I sure one of the more learned posters probably knows more details.

From wiki:

"Poch returned in January 2001 as The Ninja, a masked, anonymous figure wearing a black bodysuit who helped Raven retain the Hardcore Championship, attacking his opponents and acting as a getaway driver. Raven's Hardcore title feud with the late Crash Holly led to a feud between Poch and Crash's onscreen cousin Molly Holly, who finally unmasked the ninja on the March 11 episode of Sunday Night HEAT, revealing her to be Poch. Poch was then removed from television."

[marshal99]

ninja? what the hell?

Around the time Raven was having the hardcore belt and feuding with Crash , he had a mysterious female accomplice who is all in black in a black ski mask covering her face who would sneak out and aid him in retaining the belt. Molly tried to help her "cousin" crash and it was Molly in the end that was able to rip off the mask to reveal Tori , after that , the storyline was dropped and no explainations were ever revealed as far as i know and soon after , Tori got released or fired , not sure which.