Wolverine: X-Man or Avenger?

[Green Arrow Jr.]

Now that we have seen Wolverine in the Avengers and the Xmen,where do you think he belongs at?

[agrich]

Considering his only remotely memorable moment in New Avengers was before he even joined them - when Spider-woman skewered him with his own claws - it's a pretty easy choice. Better as an X-Man, second-best in his solo book, hell I'd say he was better when he was a member of the Fantastic Four for a couple of issues way back when, thanks to Simonson and Art Adams. Oh, he was also better as a guest star in issues of the Hulk, better as a guest star in an issue of Daredevil....need I go on?

[Serik]

He should've stayed an X-Man.

But Wolverine's (other) mutant power is to appear all over the Marvel U at the same time :p

[Beast]

Now that we have seen Wolverine in the Avengers and the Xmen,where do you think he belongs at?
Considering his usual loner/killer characterization... nowhere.

Have him cut ties with the X-Men and Avengers after a major issue between both teams and strike out solo. That should have happened after he murdered Northstar anyway. In other words, just keep him in his solo books and with occassional guest appearances. He really doesn't fit with either team. And the books no longer need him to sell, considering he's been written out of most of the X-Books (other than Astonishing) for months now.

[Expletive Deleted]

He's an X-Man.

I don't have a problem with him being an Avenger, either in place of or in addition to his X-Status, but he's an X-Man first and foremost.

[Jake V]

I like him as an Avenger more, actually.

With most of his strong connections to the X-Men gone (Jean Grey, Xavier, Jubilee, Storm) he doesn't have much of a reason to stick around anymore. If he really believes in Human/Mutant integration, hiding out in a mansion with only other mutants isn't the best way to go about making it a reality. If he wants to show that Mutants and Humans can work together to make a better world, there's no better example to set than actually working with humans out in the public eye.

[agrich]

The best Wolverine being written over the past year or two has been him in Astonishing X-Men. The guy has done virtually nothing in New Avengers; there's no point in him being there.

I didn't know he murdered Northstar, huh.

[Tony Starkz]

Wolvie is awesome as an Avenger.He bounces off all of the other members very nicely.

Hopefully he stays on one of the Avenger teams after CW.

[MakeshiftHero]

The best Wolverine being written over the past year or two has been him in Astonishing X-Men. The guy has done virtually nothing in New Avengers; there's no point in him being there.

I didn't know he murdered Northstar, huh.
I agree with you on that one, all that he's done in new avengers so far is fought ninjas and even then it showed more of spidey and cage exchanging comments. He needs to stay in Astonishing, or as Beast said just go off on his own and keep to his own book. But I don't think that people are going to have to worry about him being on the NA much longer cause I think Tony'll kick him off after Civil War is over.

And he killed Northstar in enemy of the state, he was brainwashed by hydra and accidently killed Northstar in the last issue. I thought that was a great run, and agent of s.h.i.e.l.d. was good as well.

[DDM]

The best Wolverine being written over the past year or two has been him in Astonishing X-Men. The guy has done virtually nothing in New Avengers; there's no point in him being there.

I didn't know he murdered Northstar, huh.

Northstar got better when the Hand resurrected him. How convenient...:rolleyes:

[DDM]

I used to like Wolverine when one writer had him in a singular direction. As a result of being overexposed from all of the X-Men books, New Avengers, frivolous guest appearances over the past 5 years, being pulled in numerous directions simultaneously, Wolverine's character development is effectively neutered.

I don't like Wolverine anymore. I could care less if he's an Avenger or X-Man.

[Huzzah!]

Wolverine has lost all his coolness and simply become a 12 year old idiolized power trip. Waste him and make Jubilee the new wolverine. Excelsior!!!!!!!!!!

[Shellhead]

Now that we have seen Wolverine in the Avengers and the Xmen,where do you think he belongs at?

I thought that Wolverine was supposed to be a loner? :confused: :rolleyes: ;)

[Wannabe]

I have to say, Wolverine does much better in his solo book. In the past few years, his solo book has had more good stories than Avengers and most X-men books combined.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

The best Wolverine being written over the past year or two has been him in Astonishing X-Men. The guy has done virtually nothing in New Avengers; there's no point in him being there.

I didn't know he murdered Northstar, huh.


Do you have no concept of how Wolverine should be written? He is written very poorly in Astonishing. In Astonishing all he thinks about is beer and fighting. He is a freakin failed Samurai, a loner, a beserker but not just some guy who thinks about beer. Also Emma on her best day could never mind control Wolverine. Plus his fight with Beast was way out of charecter for them both. Really Wolverine only had a few good moments in Astonishing. When he fought Scott at the start.... and that's about it. Wait his comment about killing a whole city was badass like no other but those two are it. He fights Hank for no correct reason, he doesn't interact with Peter one of his oldest friends and one of his most hated allies, he does nothing with Shadowcat or Scott outside of issue #1 and all he does is sit around and think about beer. Plus he gets taken out in fights to better show everyone else off. Wolverine, Beast, Peter have all been out of charecter in Astonishing. Kitty and Emma are being written well. Scott is being written ok also. But Wolverine is not, I repeat NOT being written well. Maybe for someone who does not truely understand what Wolverine is all about then he's written fine, but not for true fans of the charecter.

[agrich]

Well, you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

As for your belief that I don't "truly understand what the character is all about," I was buying the Claremont-Byrne X-Men issues on newsstands when they first developed Wolverine as a character, and I was buying the Claremont-Miller miniseries (the failed Samurai series), again, when it first came out. I wonder when you were first introduced to the character; probably a later version than that, and then you read his earlier appearances later. The guy has been written in so many different books by so many different writers, small wonder there may be a variety of opinions on what the character is "truly about."

Does reading his first appearances when they came out mean I definitively understand the character, no, but neither does your using his name in your user id. Let's just say we have different opinions. I won't criticize you for believing "Bloodstorm" is the best DC story ever, so maybe you can allow me my opinion on Wolverine.

I think Whedon gets Wolverine as he was supposed to be when Claremont first developed him, not the messed-up version of the '90s thanks to being over-exposed in dozens of different titles each year and frequently poorly written by hacks. It's too bad it's not to your liking, but at least there are 5-6 other monthly appearances of the character; maybe one of them is more understanding.

[Starkicker]

For right now, I would say Avenger. The New Avengers are still this weird/mis-shapen/ car crash can't look away/ this doesn't make sense/what's going to happen next/ animal that is pretty interesting to read. Wolverine being in the group helps make it so "interesting" (like a car crash - in a good way).

Of course over all he should be a loner, the best Wolvie stories are solo.

The X-Men are his family, but you don't need to be with your family 24/7.

The Avengers are his day job, and Logan can only keep a job so long before walking out of Stark Tower with a ton of office supplies stuffed under his shirt, telling Mr. Stark or Mr. Rogers to F off.

[Buddahbelly]

I figured all you Wolvie haters would like him in Avengers. Hes only just been in the background. You don't hear from him but for MAYBE 1 line an ish. Personally I like him in Avengers. At least the loner is in the background instead of right up front of the group taking charge. I say that and I'm a Wolvie fan. He SUCKS in Astonishing. He is at his best in his main title. Not to sure about Origins yet.

[Skry]

Know what would be interesting? Putting him along side Hulk on Planet Hulk.

I haven't read the Planet Hulk series yet (I might soon though) but the constant battling would be a nice setting for wolverine.

Other than that quirky place to put him, he belongs as a loner. I was suprised at his introduction to the Avengers. He doesn't really belong there, but I think that's the point. Logan doesn't really belong anywhere. He was an outsider in the X-men for a long time, and always tends to feel like one still.

He's immortal (pretty much) and with immortality comes loneliness. Some of you experts on his character may disagree, but I think he's much better off on his own in general, fighting.

[Davidai]

He should've stayed an X-Man.

But Wolverine's (other) mutant power is to appear all over the Marvel U at the same time :p


^ LOL ^ so true.

[Coolrush]

Either one is fine with me. i dont mind Wolverine as an Avenger or an X-Men.

[steve2275]

again
x men(mutants in general NEED him)
not the rest of earths heros

[Madrox84]

I prefer him as an X-Man, but the idea of him striking out on his own and only appearing in his own books is a good one...

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Well, you're certainly welcome to your opinion.

As for your belief that I don't "truly understand what the character is all about," I was buying the Claremont-Byrne X-Men issues on newsstands when they first developed Wolverine as a character, and I was buying the Claremont-Miller miniseries (the failed Samurai series), again, when it first came out. I wonder when you were first introduced to the character; probably a later version than that, and then you read his earlier appearances later. The guy has been written in so many different books by so many different writers, small wonder there may be a variety of opinions on what the character is "truly about."

Does reading his first appearances when they came out mean I definitively understand the character, no, but neither does your using his name in your user id. Let's just say we have different opinions. I won't criticize you for believing "Bloodstorm" is the best DC story ever, so maybe you can allow me my opinion on Wolverine.

I think Whedon gets Wolverine as he was supposed to be when Claremont first developed him, not the messed-up version of the '90s thanks to being over-exposed in dozens of different titles each year and frequently poorly written by hacks. It's too bad it's not to your liking, but at least there are 5-6 other monthly appearances of the character; maybe one of them is more understanding.


Please tell me how you think Whedon is doing what Clarment had invisoined for Wolverine when he first started writing for him? Please because MY points were aboput how he was being written by Clarment and Hama, the two men who shaped Wolverine into what he is.

[Red Lotus]

Northstar got better when the Hand resurrected him. How convenient...:rolleyes:

I'm a little lost here but wasn't the whole point of that story the fact that the Hand and others were killing people with super powers and then bringing them back to life under their control and wasn't Wolverine the first.

[Chiasm]

The New Avengers characterization of Wolverine is everything that has become wrong about the character:

1. He's in it which just further shows how overexposed he is although not to the point he used to be.
2. He's portrayed as a wise old sage who always knows the right thing to say. Case in point - recently when Mary Jane thought Peter was dead Wolverine hit on her in order to deflect her pain. A true characterization of Wolverine would have had him hitting on her hoping to score and for no other reason.
3. He gets his ass kicked a lot in this book.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

I'm a little lost here but wasn't the whole point of that story the fact that the Hand and others were killing people with super powers and then bringing them back to life under their control and wasn't Wolverine the first.


The point was they wanted Wolverine to kill all of the super hero's, not bring them back as Hand soliders. Plus the story sucked anyways. Wolverine got his ass handed to him by everyone and Northstar, a C list hero was the only one he killed importan and he was just broguht back fromthe dead. The whole story was pointless, messes up continuity and overall was a shame of what Clarement was going to do.

[Will.S]

2. He's portrayed as a wise old sage who always knows the right thing to say. Case in point - recently when Mary Jane thought Peter was dead Wolverine hit on her in order to deflect her pain. A true characterization of Wolverine would have had him hitting on her hoping to score and for no other reason.
That wasn't even in the New Avengers book proper. Besides, I think we all saw that little example in Hudlin's MK Spider-Man. I also don't think Logan would be that much of a complete scumbag after Peter's "death".

3. He gets his ass kicked a lot in this book.
He always gets his ass kicked, and so do the other New Avengers as well so it's not confined to him.

[jpk]

Another vote for 'neither.'

Guy's too brutal to be a member of a do-good team. He works well as a solo tough-as-nails assassin with a murky and violent past. He broods better than anyone in comics outside of Bats.