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drwho
06-08-2006, 06:31 PM
If you could kill one female who, how and why would you do it? I would have Luke accidentily roll on top of Jessica Jones crushing her lungs so she cant be retrofitted into anymore continuity.

Huzzah!
06-08-2006, 06:36 PM
I really...REALLY want to say mary Jane or Kate Bishop

But personally i would ice Jessica Jones

How?

Oh this is the best bit

She never existed.

It was the scarlet witch going crazy that created her!

Suck on that Bendis!

Haunt
06-08-2006, 06:40 PM
Jessica Jones, in a heartbeat. let her feed maggots.

Violently Apathetic
06-08-2006, 06:44 PM
Wow, this is kinda mean spirited (and why female?) but I'll bite...

Jan Pym...I have no idea why, I just have an irrational dislike of her. Maybe it's because the first time I was introduced to her was when she was shacking up with Magneto in Secret Wars and later bragging that it was only to get info...my reaction was pretty much 'So you're a whore, good job! *thumbs up*'

As for how she dies...by accident. Someone sits on her or something when she's really small.

drwho
06-08-2006, 06:45 PM
Hmm was the Magneto Wasp relationship ever explored further?

Haunt
06-08-2006, 07:06 PM
Hmm was the Magneto Wasp relationship ever explored further?


no. she said that she liked his dimples but was just pumping him for information. i thought it was kind of strange that Magneto had fallen head over heels for her, so fast though. she looks radically different from anyone else he's hooked up with and she's human.


http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/05001--05250/05128.jpg

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01450.jpg

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01451.jpg

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01452.jpg

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01453.jpg

http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01454.jpg


next time they met, it wasn't as lovers...
http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01457.jpg

xakko
06-08-2006, 07:06 PM
I picked other.

If a Marvel woman needs to die, I'd choose Emma Frost, so she can stop boring me to tears.

Shellhead
06-08-2006, 07:08 PM
I really...REALLY want to say mary Jane or Kate Bishop

But personally i would ice Jessica Jones

How?

Oh this is the best bit

She never existed.

It was the scarlet witch going crazy that created her!

Suck on that Bendis!

I love this idea!

EDIT: come to think of it, there is another annoying retcon character who could be taken out the exact same way... Sentry. Now I *really* love this idea!

Citizen V
06-08-2006, 07:08 PM
Wow, this is kinda mean spirited (and why female?)

I know,but i suppose the woman haters have to let out their anger somehow.

GozertheGozarian
06-08-2006, 07:08 PM
Psylocke. The whole race switch already killed the character.

drwho
06-08-2006, 07:09 PM
no. she said that she liked his dimples but was just pumping him for information. i thought it was kind of strange that Magneto had fallen head over heels for her, so fast though. she looks radically different from anyone else he's hooked up with and she's human.


next time they met, it wasn't as lovers...
http://www.snikt.com/COTA/Image_Galleries/01251--01500/01457.jpg

Guess the Wasp wasnt that good in bed lol.

dingo
06-08-2006, 07:14 PM
Why is it that even though she has been married longer than many fanboys have been alive, everyone continues to refer to her as Sue Storm?

Surely the movie has not had that great an effect.

Haunt
06-08-2006, 07:15 PM
Guess the Wasp wasnt that good in bed lol.


apparently, since Hawkeye started dating her and broke up with in about 2 issues.

Nyssane
06-08-2006, 08:18 PM
I picked other.

If a Marvel woman needs to die, I'd choose Emma Frost, so she can stop boring me to tears.

Ditto, it's a wonder she's not on the list but characters like Moondragon are.

Violently Apathetic
06-08-2006, 09:01 PM
Not to drag this too much offtopic, but did it seem to anyone else like it was implied that Magneto and Jan actually slept together in the Secret Wars or is that just one of those things I made up and later started accepting as truth? I mean did it seem implied as much as any sexual relationship was in a mainstream comic book in those days? I'd hate to think I've been calling Jan a skank all this time based on my own misreading of a scene....

icctrombone
06-08-2006, 09:05 PM
She just flirted with him . It was never shown nor implied that they had sex.

icctrombone
06-08-2006, 09:06 PM
I voted for Scarlet witch . Just because it seems they don't know what to do with her.

Haunt
06-08-2006, 09:07 PM
Not to drag this too much offtopic, but did it seem to anyone else like it was implied that Magneto and Jan actually slept together in the Secret Wars or is that just one of those things I made up and later started accepting as truth? I mean did it seem implied as much as any sexual relationship was in a mainstream comic book in those days? I'd hate to think I've been calling Jan a skank all this time based on my own misreading of a scene....

i seriously doubt they slept together. Jan's a lot smarter than that. the furthest he got was the kiss. and i doubt he'd be the type to force sex on anyone; considering his own experiences in Auschwitz. if they had slept together, it would have come up in subsequent encounters.

Violently Apathetic
06-08-2006, 09:17 PM
Ah, I suppose I just figured they did because as they were kissing infront of a backdrop of a dark and rainy sky the scene abruptly cuts out and the next time you see them it is morning and Jan is cleaning herself up. I may have subconciously compared that scene to one in Spider-Man where it was implied that Peter and Betty may have slept together after she was married to Ned. It used many of the same devices that imply, but don't say, what the characters may have done. I still think there is fair case to be made that maybe they did, but since it's hardly concrete I guess I have to stop calling her a slut.

...Nertz.

Huzzah!
06-08-2006, 09:24 PM
I love this idea!

EDIT: come to think of it, there is another annoying retcon character who could be taken out the exact same way... Sentry. Now I *really* love this idea!


See thats why i need to be a writer. I gots all the good ideas

Scarlet witch preggers with Hawkeye!

Brilliant


And magneto totally bagged the wasp

Frostbite883
06-08-2006, 09:31 PM
Two words............Jean Grey. :evilsmile

Haunt
06-08-2006, 09:36 PM
Ah, I suppose I just figured they did because as they were kissing infront of a backdrop of a dark and rainy sky the scene abruptly cuts out and the next time you see them it is morning and Jan is cleaning herself up. I may have subconciously compared that scene to one in Spider-Man where it was implied that Peter and Betty may have slept together after she was married to Ned. It used many of the same devices that imply, but don't say, what the characters may have done. I still think there is fair case to be made that maybe they did, but since it's hardly concrete I guess I have to stop calling her a slut.

...Nertz.


oh, i'm not trying to dispute Wasp's sluttiness. i just don't think she slept with Magneto. he totally would have been bragging about that s***.

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page1&issue=05819410642%2084

http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page1&issue=05819410642%20503

Huzzah!
06-08-2006, 10:17 PM
bragging about having the wasp is like bragging about taking public transportation. Even bums can do it

The Shadow
06-08-2006, 10:20 PM
On the list available: Storm.

Never liked her.



Not on the List: Iceman... he's about as masculine as a transvestite who's had the sex change operation (cummon Bobby... it's only a matter of time!)... so he counts and I hate him.

Arilou
06-09-2006, 12:48 AM
Two words:
Jean Grey.

And a further addendum:
AND STAY DEAD THIS TIME!

Miss Kitty Fantastico
06-09-2006, 01:03 AM
Why is it that even though she has been married longer than many fanboys have been alive, everyone continues to refer to her as Sue Storm?
It sounds cool? I mean, if I was a superhero called Sue Storm!, and getting married to Reed, I sure as heck wouldn't have changed my name. Or shown up at the altar, but that's just me...

In any case, I have to ask too: why females? The Marvel Universe is practically bursting at the seams with male superheroes, I don't think it's the women who need their ranks thinning out.

And they'd better not off She-Hulk or Ms Marvel...

tkitna
06-09-2006, 03:50 AM
I'm going with Moondragon. The whole Sinead O Connor look has bothered me since the 70's. Her death couldnt be horrible enough. Maybe if Galactus had sex with her or something like that.

Cactusakic
06-09-2006, 04:42 AM
I'd like to see Elektra die and stay dead.

I have never liked her as written by anybody but Miller. It just never sits quite right with me. So I would like to see her die (again) but not come back.

Ever.

Ever. Ever.

drwho
06-09-2006, 09:00 AM
Is all this Storm hate showing up cus of the marriage?

Forefinger
06-09-2006, 09:05 AM
I'm going with Storm. She just annoys me.

The Shadow
06-09-2006, 10:42 AM
Is all this Storm hate showing up cus of the marriage?
Not for me... I started collecting X-Men in the late 180's-early 190's and I didn't like her then and I still don't.

Robby Robot
06-09-2006, 06:04 PM
I don't want to put words into the original posters mouth but there could be a few reasons why he chose to poll on the wimmens aside from blatant misogyny.

1. The list of currently relevant Marvel women is smaller and thus easier to vote on as the voting doesn't get spread so wide.

2. The force-fed nature of largely male writers writing female characters as romanticised fantasies of their dream woman make them kind of irritating if you don't like a particular character.

3. Bad writing making a character more of a headache to read than not.

That said, my original thoughts were Spider-Woman and Storm just cause of their "push" currently. But I realize those characters have fans and that's not fair to them. Then I thought perhaps Scarlet Witch since Bendis turned her into a nightmare of epic porportions. But she has a long history in the Marvel U and that really wouldn't be fair to kill her because one hack writer mangled her. So I went with Jessica Jones and fully support Huzzah's post on the matter.

Huzzah!
06-09-2006, 06:24 PM
I have nothing really against bendis other than turning the Avengers into the Bendis' superfriends but the beauty of turning a story which really messed up some good characters to destroy something he really put a lot of effort time and love into is delightfully awesome

drwho
06-09-2006, 07:03 PM
I just thought there were too many characters to include both sexes.

Huzzah!
06-09-2006, 07:06 PM
make a man thread


although im sure sentry would win that pretty good

Weapon Ick
06-09-2006, 07:15 PM
I'm kinda frightened at how hard this question was for me. I think if I had my way I'd kill off half the characters on that list.

I picked Psylocke because even though her outfit helped dictate much of my adolescent activity in the 90's I think she worked better dead. Trying to understand her origin made my head hurt.

but why all the Storm hatred?

Huzzah!
06-09-2006, 08:30 PM
Im a big Psylocke fan, but anyone was introed to her with 90s comics probably has more than enough reason to want her dead

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 03:35 AM
X-23. i want that piece of trash character pushing up daisies.

--Dazz

JLarson
06-10-2006, 03:55 AM
Jessica Jones is winning this poll? Seriously?

Thank god no one wants to kill the notatallderivative She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel. And really, it's about time that a realistic female character gets killed off, since a few more of those and comic fans might learn something about women.

dopexvii
06-10-2006, 05:45 AM
jean grey, bring her back killer off with an ultimate kill of story so she can never ever ever come back
or X-23 because we dont need Another wolverine

Haunt
06-10-2006, 08:44 AM
Jessica Jones is winning this poll? Seriously?

Thank god no one wants to kill the notatallderivative She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel. And really, it's about time that a realistic female character gets killed off, since a few more of those and comic fans might learn something about women.

marijuana might seriously hinder you learning anything about women. death to jessica jones.

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 09:28 AM
marijuana might seriously hinder you learning anything about women. death to jessica jones.


Marijuana has saved a lot of people from my ultimate wrath, some of them women. :)

Jessica Jones is one of the truly interesting and realistic characters created in recent years. She's even cooler that she's one of the few Marvel characters to ditch (for good) the tights lifestyle, however retroactive it may be...

--Dazz

Mariah
06-10-2006, 09:50 AM
I can't believe we have to read about Jessica and her little bastard in New Avengers but Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver has been kicked in the cookie jar so Bendis can ruin I mean run Marvel the way he wants it to be. Yeah, Joe Q, I have enough gay friends to know that your wives are beards, and you are secretly butt buddies. Although, people think my best friend Vanessa and I are scissor sisters, so I guess it could be a double edged sword.

Darkoth
06-10-2006, 09:54 AM
It's sad to say but I don't feel that Marvel has created any truly great female characters.Some good ones perhaps,but for the most part they are all eye candy.I wouldn't want any of them to die,except for X-23.

JLarson
06-10-2006, 12:06 PM
marijuana might seriously hinder you learning anything about women. death to jessica jones.

Rethink that when you're not 11, buddy.

Maka Nani
06-10-2006, 01:35 PM
It's sad to say but I don't feel that Marvel has created any truly great female characters.Some good ones perhaps,but for the most part they are all eye candy.I wouldn't want any of them to die,except for X-23.

Most female characters at Marvel and DC are eye candy but there are some great female characters who look good.

Haunt
06-10-2006, 02:33 PM
Rethink that when you're not 11, buddy.


i'm 26 and have plenty of pot smoking friends who don't get any because they've lost all of their motivation.

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 02:39 PM
oh. Lord, don't let this get into a pot discussion.

If we'd (and by "we" i mean the rest of America that isn't San Francisco...) just legalize it, it would put it to rest.

--Dazz

JLarson
06-10-2006, 02:44 PM
i'm 26 and have plenty of pot smoking friends who don't get any because they've lost all of their motivation.

Those 2,000 posts of yours must be how you get laid without the herb, then. My bad. :D

Haunt
06-10-2006, 02:47 PM
Those 2,000 posts of yours must be how you get laid without the herb, then. My bad. :D

funny story. i make all of those posts at work. good luck with the smelly clothing, cashed eyes, and low sperm count. :)

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 02:49 PM
you know. you should both probably stop that now.

one of you tokes, the other doesn't. there's no need (nor evidence) to suggest that pot gets you laid more or less.

and i can't believe i just said that.

--Dazz

Haunt
06-10-2006, 02:55 PM
you know. you should both probably stop that now.

one of you tokes, the other doesn't. there's no need (nor evidence) to suggest that pot gets you laid more or less.

and i can't believe i just said that.

--Dazz

you're absolutely right. and i brought it up because he threw out an insult.


Jessica Jones is winning this poll? Seriously?

Thank god no one wants to kill the notatallderivative She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel. And really, it's about time that a realistic female character gets killed off, since a few more of those and comic fans might learn something about women.

http://www.usnodrugs.com/marijuana-harmful.htm
"The harmful effects of marijuana on the Reproductive System for males and females
Marijuana use can decrease and degenerate sperm, sperm count, movement, and cause lowered sex drive. Females can have egg damage, suppression of ovulation, disrupt menstrual cycles, and cause alteration of hormone levels"

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 03:00 PM
you're absolutely right. and i brought it up because he threw out an insult.
:) well, i think he was trying to make a point in his own way. don't let it ruffle you.

--Dazz

JLarson
06-10-2006, 03:07 PM
I'm seriously strugging with your motivation here, Haunt.

I mean, you pulled something random and clever from my avatar (House of Marijuana) and used it as your platform to attack me personally when I was just being cynical about this poll and in general, Marvel's female characters. You've got your head so far up your own ass at this point that you're linking to sites about how pot lowers your sperm count. You think I "started" this? Started what? You went looking for a fight because online, you're just as important as anyone else, and you're continuing it because unfortunately for you, the real world isn't anything like that.

Kill the derivative characters and be done with it.

Maka Nani
06-10-2006, 03:09 PM
Jessica Jones is winning this poll? Seriously?

Thank god no one wants to kill the notatallderivative She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel. And really, it's about time that a realistic female character gets killed off, since a few more of those and comic fans might learn something about women.

Jessica Jones is one of my boyfriend's favourite characters so no killing her.

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 03:11 PM
Jessica Jones is one of my boyfriend's favourite characters so no killing her.

my boyfriend thinks i'm a super nerd for even reading comics books, so he would like for them ALL to be killed. :(

i still say "NO!" to death for Jessica Jones. Or Kat Ferrell. Or Sally Floyd. Those are three of my cool chicks.

--Dazz

JLarson
06-10-2006, 03:14 PM
i still say "NO!" to death for Jessica Jones. Or Kat Ferrell. Or Sally Floyd. Those are three of my cool chicks.

--Dazz

Agreed on all three counts - it's so rare that unique females are introduced at Marvel that I'm shocked everytime I hear all the hate they seem to draw. Fantasties of women in fridges, eh?

Haunt
06-10-2006, 03:22 PM
my boyfriend thinks i'm a super nerd for even reading comics books, so he would like for them ALL to be killed. :(

i still say "NO!" to death for Jessica Jones. Or Kat Ferrell. Or Sally Floyd. Those are three of my cool chicks.

--Dazz

Sally Floyd is just Jessica Jones minus the Purple Man rape and Bendis' backing. that said, i'd rather Jessica wind up in the fridge.

Elegance Liberty
06-10-2006, 03:25 PM
Emma Frost.

Slowly. VERY painfully. VERY graphic. With Scott watching and unable to help.

Ahhh yeah, that's the stuff.

Dazzler
06-10-2006, 03:30 PM
Agreed on all three counts - it's so rare that unique females are introduced at Marvel that I'm shocked everytime I hear all the hate they seem to draw. Fantasties of women in fridges, eh?

yes, i've noticed that unique female characters seem to get a lot of hate as well...which makes me very very sad. It does seem the more real (read: less in a spandex bathing suit) the character is, the more people want her dead. i'll just avoid any guesses why.


Sally Floyd is just Jessica Jones minus the Purple Man rape and Bendis' backing. that said, i'd rather Jessica wind up in the fridge.

well, when i first started reading Sally, i kind of thought the same thing. Except then i realized that it's not quite true. If you look at it, Jessica has had a more supported history what with he super hero friends everywhere and everyone helping her out all the time. And she STILL screws up a lot. (which is why i like her...girl's got issues...)
Sally doesn't have super powers, she's never made that many contacts for friends, she's self destructive because she has NO support structure...and she's not entirely a screw up (even with the alcoholism).
So while, they seem similar at first, (and they are) the reasons for the similarities come from completely different places in their own lives. i would be very interested to see these two meet up some day.

--Dazz

Haunt
06-10-2006, 03:38 PM
yes, i've noticed that unique female characters seem to get a lot of hate as well...which makes me very very sad. It does seem the more real (read: less in a spandex bathing suit) the character is, the more people want her dead. i'll just avoid any guesses why.

what do you mean by "real?" if it's what i'm thinking, i believe it's the exact opposite. hated female characters that spring to mind instantly are Emma Frost, Storm, Psylocke, and Stacy-X. there is nothing "real" about those women. i hate Jessica Jones for one reason and one reason only; Bendis created her. i've got nothing against Sally Floyd. i don't find her particularly interesting. i think the way they retrofitted Jubilee into her circle of friends was pretty tacky. but, otherwise, she's not a blip on my radar. same with Kat Ferrell. has she even appeared enough times to be hated? i sure don't see much hate for the character anywhere.

JLarson
06-10-2006, 03:40 PM
Sally Floyd is just Jessica Jones minus the Purple Man rape and Bendis' backing. that said, i'd rather Jessica wind up in the fridge.

...and She-Hulk is Hulk without a penis and the tragic genius.

...and Ms. Marvel is Superman with tits and an inferiority complex that apparently is meant to define her as a woman.

Stacy-X is also about as real as you're going to get (as far as a certain type of person goes). Same with Emma Frost.

Haunt
06-10-2006, 03:46 PM
...and She-Hulk is Hulk without a penis and the tragic genius.

i've said that before.


...and Ms. Marvel is Superman with tits and an inferiority complex that apparently is meant to define her as a woman.

why not "define her as a person?"


Stacy-X is also about as real as you're going to get (as far as a certain type of person goes).

wouldn't know

JLarson
06-10-2006, 03:48 PM
why not "define her as a person?"



Don't even try to cleverly accuse me of sexism. In that book of hers, it's instantly evident that Reed thinks that her goofy insecurities are a efficient characterization for a female.

Haunt
06-10-2006, 04:51 PM
Don't even try to cleverly accuse me of sexism. In that book of hers, it's instantly evident that Reed thinks that her goofy insecurities are a efficient characterization for a female.

wasn't "instantly evident" to me. and i don't see her as any more insecure than Jessica Jones. maybe you should level your criticism at Reed; someplace where he can respond to it.

Violently Apathetic
06-10-2006, 05:56 PM
yes, i've noticed that unique female characters seem to get a lot of hate as well...which makes me very very sad. It does seem the more real (read: less in a spandex bathing suit) the character is, the more people want her dead. i'll just avoid any guesses why.


I'm not sure I like your implication there, Dazz. Isn't it possible that some people find different things unique and 'real'? I mean I certainly can't be accused of secretly harboring a dislike of independent women (unless I'm a self hating sort) and I don't find Jessica Jones that endearing. In all honesty some of the Jessica Jones hate may be due not to her faults as a character, but rather the fact she's clearly Bendis' 'pet' and some people, myself included, don't really like the way she's being retroactively added into important stories. She can seem like she's being forced upon the readers (Sentry is the same way) That said, I have no problem with her, I'm pretty apathetic really, but there are other reasons not to like her that have nothing to do with latent sexisim.

I still want Jan to die.

Haunt
06-10-2006, 06:02 PM
I'm not sure I like your implication there, Dazz. Isn't it possible that some people find different things unique and 'real'? I mean I certainly can't be accused of secretly harboring a dislike of independent women (unless I'm a self hating sort) and I don't find Jessica Jones that endearing. In all honesty some of the Jessica Jones hate may be due not to her faults as a character, but rather the fact she's clearly Bendis' 'pet' and some people, myself included, don't really like the way she's being retroactively added into important stories. She can seem like she's being forced upon the readers (Sentry is the same way) That said, I have no problem with her, I'm pretty apathetic really, but there are other reasons not to like her that have nothing to do with latent sexisim.

I still want Jan to die.


Jan dying would either do wonders for Hank Pym's character or just make it easier for Marvel to make him a full-blown villain. i'm half expecting it what with Pym working for SHIELD, spying on the Fantastic Four, and being pro-registration. quite off-topic, but i wonder if anyone has told him about House of M. the guy was a real psycho in that story.
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page1&issue=43000480859%203
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page2&issue=43000480859%203
http://www.milehighcomics.com/cgi-bin/backissue.cgi?action=page3&issue=43000480859%203


and i submit that Jessica Jones is a succubus and she's stealing Luke Cage's lifeforce to feed her succuchild.

Violently Apathetic
06-10-2006, 06:08 PM
Poor crazy Hank, he just needs a hug...or a kick to the head...maybe both. House of M: Iron Man was like the only HoM tie in I didn't get, now I think I need to.

I need to work 'succuchild' into day to day conversation.

Effect
06-10-2006, 10:10 PM
For me it would be Storm.

I'd rather she be dead then be subjected to this whole Black Panther nonsense and be used as a way to simply save it from declining sales.

I'd have her give her life for her family, the X-men, in such grand and epic battle that the end result causes her named to be as feared and revered as the Pheonix's in the galaxy. Never forgotten by the X-men and the superhero community and end up being someone younger superheros hope to live up to someday.

Darkoth
06-10-2006, 10:43 PM
Most female characters at Marvel and DC are eye candy but there are some great female characters who look good.

Yeah,I think Chris Claremont wrote some interesting female characters back in the day,Kitty,Jean,Rogue,even Storm.For a while the X-MEN had a real girl -power vibe going.Maybe too few girls read comics that the appeal of these characters just doesn't last as long as thier male counterparts.

Leebenhouse
06-10-2006, 11:38 PM
Wow, I just read the Korvac saga, and I have the original Ms. Marvel #1.

She was a feminist in those.

I don't know if any two writers have written her the same way. Claremount one way, Shooter one way, Busiek another, her current series, however she was in Captain Marvel...

A really inconsistant character, with a decent amount of potential.

If anyone the Scarlet Witch, she only causes problems.

The Wasp is annoying, but a much needed character. Sue Richards is the mother of the Fantasitic family. She Hulk is an awesome character when she's used right.

I don't like Storm anymore, not an x-fan, but last time she was cool was when she was a punk, but with weather powers.

And most girls I know that read comics are X-fans.

overcomebyfumes
06-11-2006, 08:39 AM
Any other Rogue haters here? For me, Rogue joining the team marked the point that the X-Men really started going downhill. I was still reading then, hoping for a return to good X-Men stories, but it was really apparent to me that something was wrong. Kill Rogue, if you gots to kill a character.

Albert
06-11-2006, 08:45 AM
Any other Rogue haters here? For me, Rogue joining the team marked the point that the X-Men really started going downhill. I was still reading then, hoping for a return to good X-Men stories, but it was really apparent to me that something was wrong. Kill Rogue, if you gots to kill a character.

For me, its a tie between Rogue and Jubilee.

With Rogue, I like the character, but the steady diet-- the forcefeeding of angst-- was one of the main reasons I quit reading X-men.

The second character would have to be Jubilee. Boring powers, lame costume, and I just felt that she was following the Kitty Pryde template way too closely.

EmmettHULK
06-11-2006, 10:58 PM
She-Hulk, without a question.

Annie get your Rum
06-11-2006, 11:10 PM
Jessica Jones is winning this poll? Seriously?

Thank god no one wants to kill the notatallderivative She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel. And really, it's about time that a realistic female character gets killed off, since a few more of those and comic fans might learn something about women.


LOL!
Love this post!

Yep...a female character who happens to be a little more complex than your average big-breasted, thong-clad, wank-fantasy comic book bimbo wants to be killed by the fanboys...what a shocker. :)

Huzzah!
06-11-2006, 11:24 PM
Hey i dont want to kill her because she's realistic

I want to kill her because the way i devised is far too awesome a burn to not use

Also didnt she rock one of those ms marvel/she hulk style onelets as jewel? I never read alias or the other one.

But retconning characters into existance and importance is kind of annoying

Haunt
06-12-2006, 08:57 AM
LOL!
Love this post!

Yep...a female character who happens to be a little more complex than your average big-breasted, thong-clad, wank-fantasy comic book bimbo wants to be killed by the fanboys...what a shocker. :)


she's just *so* real! every girl i know chain smokes, drinks themselves into unconsciousness, takes it in the rear to feel better, and curse like sailors. so real. :rolleyes:

Sundance62
06-12-2006, 12:08 PM
I would definitely kill off She-Hulk. She's derivative, over-powered, not even the least funny, and basically a disposable character that never should have been. The Wrecking Crew could off her, or Hulk himself, maybe the Punisher with some super-weapon, or Moon Dragon or Mantis could kill her.

I'd pay good money for that issue.

TimmyTony
06-12-2006, 12:44 PM
she's just *so* real! every girl i know chain smokes, drinks themselves into unconsciousness, takes it in the rear to feel better, and curse like sailors. so real. :rolleyes:


That actually sounds more realistic than the perfectly coiffed, perfectly mannered, perfectly moral, perfecly shaped, perfectly perfect superheroines prevalent in mainstrem American comics.
So yeah, I would say Jones is more "real" than any of the heroines you like, I'm sure...
And I am not surprised that you want her to die, especially since your favorite writer created her;)

shaunyc56
06-12-2006, 01:23 PM
I would definitely kill off She-Hulk. She's derivative, over-powered, not even the least funny, and basically a disposable character that never should have been. The Wrecking Crew could off her, or Hulk himself, maybe the Punisher with some super-weapon, or Moon Dragon or Mantis could kill her.

I'd pay good money for that issue.


And yet people want Storm dead moreso than SHE-WASTEOFINK-HULK. The only things about Storm that need to be changed are the hair and eyes. Whats wrong w/ a woman w/ pride, power, demons, and weakness.

JLarson
06-12-2006, 01:31 PM
That actually sounds more realistic than the perfectly coiffed, perfectly mannered, perfectly moral, perfecly shaped, perfectly perfect superheroines prevalent in mainstrem American comics.
So yeah, I would say Jones is more "real" than any of the heroines you like, I'm sure...


Truth.

Of course, to know that, one must actually know women...

Haunt
06-12-2006, 02:11 PM
That actually sounds more realistic than the perfectly coiffed, perfectly mannered, perfectly moral, perfecly shaped, perfectly perfect superheroines prevalent in mainstrem American comics.

name 3



So yeah, I would say Jones is more "real" than any of the heroines you like, I'm sure...
And I am not surprised that you want her to die, especially since your favorite writer created her;)

i admitted to it earlier in the thread.


Truth.

Of course, to know that, one must actually know women...


or just hang out in a lot of crack houses, truck stops, and alleyways with other dirties.

JLarson
06-12-2006, 02:51 PM
or just hang out in a lot of crack houses, truck stops, and alleyways with other dirties.

Why, you're greener than the Hulk...

In all seriousness. You have tremendous issues with women.

Haunt
06-12-2006, 02:55 PM
Why, you're greener than the Hulk...

In all seriousness. You have tremendous issues with women.

not if they keep their mouth shut and get me my mountain dew on time! :D

EmmettHULK
06-12-2006, 04:07 PM
Why, you're greener than the Hulk...

In all seriousness. You have tremendous issues with women.


Nah.
He just has issues with Bendis.

Anything Bendis writes or creates is "crap" according to Haunt, thus, he feels Jessica Jones is crap.
Seriously, Haunt is harmless.:)

Robby Robot
06-12-2006, 04:59 PM
I like how a vote for Jessica Jones is suddenly a vote against women. LOL I submit that if you're looking for depictions of realistic women in male power fantasies written largely by men... cuckoo. All I ask of my comics is to be entertained and unannoyed. Jones and her slumming does neither. But then, I'm the kind of headcase that turns the channel when a Girls Gone Wild commercial comes on so clearly I just want boobs all day everyday. :rolleyes:

Citizen V
06-12-2006, 05:03 PM
Its undenable that bitter feelings against women would eventually surface,its understandable.

If that`s the case,then why not kill them all...

Satana Hellstrom
06-12-2006, 05:39 PM
If I could kill one female character, She-hulk it would be.

Haunt
06-12-2006, 05:50 PM
Its undenable that bitter feelings against women would eventually surface,its understandable.

MOUNTAIN DEWWWW!!!!!!



If that`s the case,then why not kill them all...

duh, because then it'd be a total sausage fest.

Edward J Cunningham
06-12-2006, 06:57 PM
I would definitely kill off She-Hulk. She's derivative, over-powered, not even the least funny, and basically a disposable character that never should have been. The Wrecking Crew could off her, or Hulk himself, maybe the Punisher with some super-weapon, or Moon Dragon or Mantis could kill her.

I'd pay good money for that issue.


And yet people want Storm dead moreso than SHE-WASTEOFINK-HULK. The only things about Storm that need to be changed are the hair and eyes. Whats wrong w/ a woman w/ pride, power, demons, and weakness.


If I could kill one female character, She-hulk it would be.

*SNICKT!* :evilangry


http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour/)

KittyPryde
06-12-2006, 08:46 PM
I voted "other" as I want Emma Frost axed (and she's "a big-breasted, thong-clad, wank-fantasy comic book bimbo" but I still want her gone).

I also wouldn't mind seeing Jubilee gone (although at least she's sort of M-Day'd for now at least) since they upstaged Kitty with her (and gave her Kitty's spot in the TV show).

drwho
06-12-2006, 09:04 PM
Is Moon Dragon really that popular or do people not know who she is?

Haunt
06-12-2006, 09:17 PM
Is Moon Dragon really that popular or do people not know who she is?


she's not real enough.

Effect
06-12-2006, 10:07 PM
I voted "other" as I want Emma Frost axed (and she's "a big-breasted, thong-clad, wank-fantasy comic book bimbo" but I still want her gone).

I also wouldn't mind seeing Jubilee gone (although at least she's sort of M-Day'd for now at least) since they upstaged Kitty with her (and gave her Kitty's spot in the TV show).

Emma's also very high on my list. If I could vote for two it would be Storm and Emma. Storm for the reason I said before and it's not because I dislike the character cause I love her. Just would rather see her dead then what is going on now.

Emma on the other hand, the bitch can die in the most horrible fashion imagineable and I can imagine quite a bit. In fact, don't let her die, just puther soul in limbo. Have it caught between a living and dead state and be deformed. Hell just keep her alive and have her deformed without any image illusion device and the ability to change people's view of her.

jigrig
07-12-2006, 12:40 AM
The She Hulk without a doubt an even more pathetic character than Howard The Duck!

Blackcat
07-12-2006, 03:25 AM
The Wasp must die! Let her and Magneto pick up where they left off in Secret War (1st series) and start a romance with him in Genosha and let her dramaticly be killed by .......ehm ......hmmm .....ehm........ suggestions?

Haunt
07-12-2006, 08:26 AM
The Wasp must die! Let her and Magneto pick up where they left off in Secret War (1st series) and start a romance with him in Genosha and let her dramaticly be killed by .......ehm ......hmmm .....ehm........ suggestions?


maybe Jessica Jones could land on her after being thrown from a plane with a weight around her neck.

Leaper Queen
07-12-2006, 08:52 AM
The Wasp must die! Let her and Magneto pick up where they left off in Secret War (1st series) and start a romance with him in Genosha and let her dramaticly be killed by .......ehm ......hmmm .....ehm........ suggestions?
I'll go for a dead Wasp too and like the idea you have. let her be killed by accident by SHIELD

darknessatnoon
11-10-2010, 01:02 PM
Now THIS thread might be considered misogynistic.

ImmortalIronFist
11-10-2010, 01:31 PM
People don't want Jessica Jones to die because she's not a fantasy, people want her to die for the same reason they wanted The Sentry to die...being shoehorned into continuity is a terrible way to create a character.

PantherX
11-10-2010, 01:36 PM
Ay Ya'll tried She-Hulk Real Talk. If I had to kill anybody it would be Damn Ms. Marvel.

infernohara
11-10-2010, 01:42 PM
LOL @ all the people who said Storm getting Banned!!!!!

Zolton
11-10-2010, 02:01 PM
Now THIS thread might be considered misogynistic.

Last thing Marvel needs is less recognizable female heroes.

That said, Jessica Jones because she's terrible.

Songbird/Diamondback
11-10-2010, 02:10 PM
People want to kill SHE-HULK?!
WHY?! WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL HER?!
You're gonna make me cry!

Skaddix
11-10-2010, 02:12 PM
Frost, the slut needs to go.

Majinoaw
11-10-2010, 02:15 PM
Frost, the slut needs to go.

This thread is so wrong. I won't comment on it save to say - at least she didn't get beat by the poe -leese.

Hrist
11-10-2010, 02:25 PM
People don't want Jessica Jones to die because she's not a fantasy, people want her to die for the same reason they wanted The Sentry to die...being shoehorned into continuity is a terrible way to create a character.

The extent to which she was shoehorned into continuity is pretty minimal, though. She went to high school with Peter Parker, but he didn't know or remember her at all. And she was an acquaintance of Luke Cage and Carol Danvers. Marvel Divas probably involved more retconning.

This thread is a bit terrible.

Songbird/Diamondback
11-10-2010, 02:31 PM
This thread is a bit terrible.

Pretty much proves that people have a lower tolerance towards female characters than male ones. Really just annoying.

doolbnoom
11-10-2010, 02:50 PM
my list ( i voted "other"0):
emma frost
storm
rogue
mary jane
elektra

i don't dislike any of the characters. i just think some of their deaths would make for good stories.

and i will cheat and include some men:
wolverine
the thing
magneto
spider-man
iron man

i don't hate any of them either, in fact, some are my favorites.

they could turn it into a BIG event like Death of Superman.repeated myself

turtletrekker
11-10-2010, 03:28 PM
"Other"- Emma Frost. I just can't stand her.

Stantheman23
11-10-2010, 03:54 PM
Don't understand the Frost hate (then again I haven't read X-Men in ages) but I would probably kill off Wasp because she's useless.

Stantheman23
11-10-2010, 03:55 PM
Any other Rogue haters here? For me, Rogue joining the team marked the point that the X-Men really started going downhill. I was still reading then, hoping for a return to good X-Men stories, but it was really apparent to me that something was wrong. Kill Rogue, if you gots to kill a character.

I don't think she was much of a X Villain at that point. To my knowledge she only fought them about one time before she turned good so I could sort of buy her change.

Specimen 297
11-10-2010, 04:17 PM
Already expected Jessica Jones to be winning on the poll when I saw the thread title.

ManiacalWon
11-10-2010, 04:27 PM
Other - Emma Frost

Faded
11-10-2010, 04:31 PM
Ms. Marvel, Jessica Jones, AND Psylocke pls.

ImmortalIronFist
11-10-2010, 04:31 PM
Pretty much proves that people have a lower tolerance towards female characters than male ones. Really just annoying.

How does it do that? I'm sure we could start a male thread and drum up equal amounts of hate

NdGame
11-10-2010, 04:50 PM
Other- for Elektra. The sad thing is that, if I think about it, my main problems with her are her ass movie, and how shitty she was in the Ultimate Alliance video game.

Oh, and the sais. 1.) They're swordbreakers! You'd have to be an idiot to try to make yourself a name as an assassin with them, and 2.), I know she was first, but Raphael from TMNT worked them better. Made me start to believe.

Songbird/Diamondback
11-10-2010, 05:19 PM
How does it do that? I'm sure we could start a male thread and drum up equal amounts of hate

It's just something in general that happens in the media. Female characters with faults, or lack thereof, get a lot more hate than if it were the males in the same boat.
I mean, look at how many times a female character screws up, and the audience will view it as unforgivable, yet if a male does the same thing, it can sometimes be shrugged off.

Pixie_Solanas
11-10-2010, 05:28 PM
Frost, the slut needs to go.

Skaddix, why the animosity? She's harmless.

berk
11-10-2010, 05:33 PM
I would like to see all the knock-off characters disappear: the various She-Hulks, Spider-Women, Thor Girls, Ms Marvels, etc, etc. I don't think they need to be killed, though, just ignored.

spiderwire
11-10-2010, 05:55 PM
Other - Emma Frost

Agreed. Never have understood her appeal to the X fans.

Mechano
11-10-2010, 06:03 PM
dammit, i voted for jessica jones, but that was before i saw storm on the list... actually, could they both be killed in an over-sized one-shot?

coveredinbees
11-10-2010, 08:31 PM
agent brand or sharon carter

I don't like Brand, but Carter needs to go.

destro
11-10-2010, 09:19 PM
People don't want Jessica Jones to die because she's not a fantasy, people want her to die for the same reason they wanted The Sentry to die...being shoehorned into continuity is a terrible way to create a character.

This X 1000.

I'm irritated by any character created who suddenly was supposed to have been there all along.

That aside, I just find her insanely annoying.

The Watcher should grind her up and smoke up her ret-conny goodness through a bong made out of Galactus's helmet.

Babylon23
11-10-2010, 09:38 PM
I'd kill Jessica Jones or Emma frost, but not out of hate. I'd do it because it would be a little more unexpected. Too many character deaths these days involve bumping off a less popular character for the sake of 'impact' (or shock). Usually, it's telegraphed from a mile away which character is going to die. Really, if Iron Man, Wolverine, Spider-Man and, say, the Falcon are all standing together, and I know ONE OF THESE HEROES IS GOING TO DIE, then it's pretty obvious that the Falcon is toast. Look at Wasp in Secret Invasion. Could see that death coming from a mile away.

But kill off a popular character, and do it in a way that isn't obvious to the reader, and it might actually have more actual impact. So Jessica Jones or Emma Frost are my choices.

Ben Smith
11-10-2010, 09:40 PM
The She Hulk without a doubt an even more pathetic character than Howard The Duck!

Howard the Duck is the best character Marvel has

RolandJP
11-10-2010, 09:43 PM
Break the internet in half. (For pure evil)

Kill Squirrel girl.

Ramage
11-10-2010, 09:47 PM
Aunt May. Bitch needs to die and stay dead. No devil deals this time.

Ben Smith
11-10-2010, 09:55 PM
Break the internet in half. (For pure evil)

Kill Squirrel girl.

how dare you! to even suggest such a thing ...

TonyStark1012
11-15-2010, 07:57 PM
Sharon Carter, Pixie and Squirrel Girl.

sirvk
11-15-2010, 11:57 PM
I voted She Hulk. Not because I don't like her, but I think it could be a good story when she comes back to life.

andybmcd
11-16-2010, 12:33 AM
Karma, she just drags the story down around her.

And Squirrel Girl.

Billium 3
11-16-2010, 01:20 AM
I went with Carlie Cooper; I'd love to see ol' Roderick Kingsley, aka the Hobgoblin, finish her off with his new flame sword. :evilsmile:

Chase_Stein
11-16-2010, 01:32 AM
I vote Anole.

Sue Storm lover
11-17-2010, 05:55 PM
I do not understand the poll here. I thought that She-Hulk was so popular?

Songbird/Diamondback
11-17-2010, 05:58 PM
I do not understand the poll here. I thought that She-Hulk was so popular?

Apparently not here...

SJNeal
11-17-2010, 06:12 PM
Whether it's Drew or Jones makes no difference; a dead Jessica would make me happy.