Most Manipulative FF Villain

[Naraku]

In your opinion, who is the most manipulative villain of Final Fantasy series and why?

[Citizen V]

I would have to go with Sephiroth,he could control people`s minds,and nearly do anything he wanted.

[DarkSoldier]

Kefka had the deception going for him: he initially appears as a mid-level Imperial flunky, but then he betrays the Emperor and destroys the world.

[Naraku]

No more answers? No more votes? Come on people! I want to see your opinions.

[Nefarius]

I loved how Ultimecia manipulate an entire nation at FFVIII.Using Edea as a stand-in and controling Galbadia,she unleash wars and cause chaos around the globe.Kefka is the most manipulative but hey,i love when female villain create havok.:D

[Nyssane]

I voted the Emperor of Palamecia, because from what little I remember about FF2, he was pretty manipulative, and relied on that to get his own way. He's very similar to Kefka, but the world in 2 was much smaller and less inhabited than the world in 6, giving the Emperor even more power. Thus, I choose him.

Ultimecia never did anything to show off her manipulative powers other than control Edea, Sephiroth didn't really show any form of manipulation that I can remember, and Kuja only really manipulated Queen Brahne, who in turn manipulated her army, to do his bidding. Garland and Exdeath didn't really manipulate anything or anyone. Garland had control over the Four Fiends, but I'm sure they would've listened to anyone who would quench their hunger of chaos. The Dark Cloud, Zeromus, and Yu Yevon only appeared at the end of their respective games, so we didn't really learn much about them. I remember Zeromus being pretty manipulative, though.

[Gaz]

I voted the Emperor of Palamecia, because from what little I remember about FF2, he was pretty manipulative, and relied on that to get his own way. He's very similar to Kefka, but the world in 2 was much smaller and less inhabited than the world in 6, giving the Emperor even more power. Thus, I choose him.

Ultimecia never did anything to show off her manipulative powers other than control Edea, Sephiroth didn't really show any form of manipulation that I can remember, and Kuja only really manipulated Queen Brahne, who in turn manipulated her army, to do his bidding. Garland and Exdeath didn't really manipulate anything or anyone. Garland had control over the Four Fiends, but I'm sure they would've listened to anyone who would quench their hunger of chaos. The Dark Cloud, Zeromus, and Yu Yevon only appeared at the end of their respective games, so we didn't really learn much about them. I remember Zeromus being pretty manipulative, though.

Yeah, for X a better choice would've been Seymour.

[Phrozen]

Delita. Son of a Stable to King through pure deceitful manipulation of everybody.

[saintjon]

Had to go with Kefka.

Sephiroth struck me as more of a manipulated than manipulator.

[Naraku]

I voted the Emperor of Palamecia, because from what little I remember about FF2, he was pretty manipulative, and relied on that to get his own way. He's very similar to Kefka, but the world in 2 was much smaller and less inhabited than the world in 6, giving the Emperor even more power. Thus, I choose him.

Ultimecia never did anything to show off her manipulative powers other than control Edea, Sephiroth didn't really show any form of manipulation that I can remember, and Kuja only really manipulated Queen Brahne, who in turn manipulated her army, to do his bidding. Garland and Exdeath didn't really manipulate anything or anyone. Garland had control over the Four Fiends, but I'm sure they would've listened to anyone who would quench their hunger of chaos. The Dark Cloud, Zeromus, and Yu Yevon only appeared at the end of their respective games, so we didn't really learn much about them. I remember Zeromus being pretty manipulative, though.

Just to you know:

Ultimecia used Edea to manipulate an entire nation. Hell, she make the Seeds(that was created to kill her, in the first place) FIGHT AGAINST EACH OTHER. If i remember well, she manipulated Rinoa too, in one part of the game, and maybe Adel. She manipulated the other Sorceress of the past too(in the Compression of Time).
Sephiroth manipulated the SOLDIER(black cape mans), manipulated Jenova(the four times that you have to fight against her), manipulated Cloud, and manipulated the the planet itself(he summoned Meteor to make a wound in the planet, to make the planet cure itself, and in this moment, he will become a god. And i remember Tifa saying something like "The Weapons. They are protecting Sephiroth). Sephiroth manipulated the SHM in AC and the Geostigma too. And Square said that Sephiroth was manipulating Jenova during the game, and NOT the contrary.
Kuja manipulated the entire Alexandria Kingdom, the entire race of Black Mages(the BM that are mindless and are being controlled by him, and in the third CD, the BM of the Black Mage Village, that are free of his mental influence). He manipulated Dagger and Eiko(Kuja wanted that Dagger and Eiko summoned Alexander, because then, he will be capable of controlling him with the Invincible) and manipulated Zidane and friends(when Zidane go to that temple(that you fight against Ark) to catch the Gulug Stone for Kuja).
I don't know almost nothing about Yu Yevon, the only thing that i know is that the guy manipulated the population of an entire world, making them belive that he was a tipe of god and that he was their savior(when the truth is that he was their doom). Hell, the guy have an entire relligion only for him.
I don't know about the others.

[Domo Goddess]

IIRC, didn't the true boss at the end of 9 manipulate Kuja ?
I forget his name.

[Naraku]

IIRC, didn't the true boss at the end of 9 manipulate Kuja ?
I forget his name.

His name was Necron. He was just the energy source of the Lifa Tree. He don't manipulated anyone.

[Alex]

"Sephiroth struck me as more of a manipulated than manipulator."
Gotta agree with that one, he was pretty much being used for the first part of the game, then he went crazy. He never really involved anyone in his destroy the world plan, and he didn't have any followers, so i don't see how he was manipulative at all.

[JDogindy]

I would have to go with Sephiroth,he could control people`s minds,and nearly do anything he wanted.
Well, Zemus did that to Golbez, who did that to Kain Highwind twice in the series. Of course, Zemus isn't mentioned until the player gets to the Moon.

Kefka is a VERY intresting villain, becuase he goes from a midmajor and a flunky in the army to the guy who takes over the World of Ruin.

The Emperor of Palamecia (and later, the Emperor of Pandaemonium) was a charismatic figure, though he did become freakish upon becoming the latter.

[Naraku]

"Sephiroth struck me as more of a manipulated than manipulator."
Gotta agree with that one, he was pretty much being used for the first part of the game, then he went crazy. He never really involved anyone in his destroy the world plan, and he didn't have any followers, so i don't see how he was manipulative at all.

Sephiroth have followers. The black cape guys. And he manipulated Cloud, Jenova and the Weapons.

[Phrozen]

Sephiroth have followers. The black cape guys. And he manipulated Cloud, Jenova and the Weapons.

Actually, Jenova was probably manipulating Seph. The Weapons just came out because of the threat to the planet and started randomly attacking stuff. Seph did nothing to them.

[Alex]

Actually, Jenova was probably manipulating Seph. The Weapons just came out because of the threat to the planet and started randomly attacking stuff. Seph did nothing to them.
And Cloud went all fetal position...if he would have killed one of his buddies because seph convinced him too, i'd say it's manipulation.

[Naraku]

Actually, Jenova was probably manipulating Seph. The Weapons just came out because of the threat to the planet and started randomly attacking stuff. Seph did nothing to them.

Who was manipulating who, is not more a topic of discussion. Square herself said that Sephiroth was manipulating Jenova. Now this is a fact! Sephiroth was the mind controlling everything.
About the weapons, i cannot prove this, but i remember of Tifa saying "The Weapons. They are protecting Sephiroth.".

[Phrozen]

Who was manipulating who, is not more a topic of discussion. Square herself said that Sephiroth was manipulating Jenova. Now this is a fact! Sephiroth was the mind controlling everything.
About the weapons, i cannot prove this, but i remember of Tifa saying "The Weapons. They are protecting Sephiroth.".

I don't know who this square is. So whatever this square person says means nothing.

The Weapons were protecting the crater so no more damage would be done to the planet.

Oh and Cloud was a headcase, it would be like me manipulating a paranoid. It doesn't take much when the person you are manipulating isn't much there in the first place.

[Naraku]

I don't know who this square is. So whatever this square person says means nothing.

You are joking right? I mean, you know what Square is, right?

[hoffmandu]

How about those dudes who look like Cacti. They were the evilest in the land, man.

[Phrozen]

You are joking right? I mean, you know what Square is, right?

Square =company. Not a him or a her but it.

[Naraku]

Square =company. Not a him or a her but it.

Yeah, i know. I'm not american, so, forgive me if i write something wrong.
Back to topic: The company thar created FFVII said that Sephiroth was manipulating Jenova. End of discussion.

[Alex]

Yeah, i know. I'm not american, so, forgive me if i write something wrong.
Back to topic: The company thar created FFVII said that Sephiroth was manipulating Jenova. End of discussion.
They probably should have made their clear in their shoddily writting in game story.

[Naraku]

They probably should have made their clear in their shoddily writting in game story.

I disagree. Square always make the FF games with some mistery. Jenova was controlling Sephiroth, or he was controlling her? Ultimecia and Rinoa are the same person? Who is Necron? Square like to make the FF games, withou explaining everything. Because with this misterys, the fans have something to discuss after the game is over. And in my opinion, this is a very good idea that Square have. The games become more interesting that way.
I think that Square only revealed that the true villain of FF VII is Sephiroth, because FF VII is the more popular game in the series, and ALL the fans want to know the truth.

[1WEBHEAD]

Why isn't Ansem or Organization 13 from Kingdom Hearts on the poll options?
Yay 50th post!

[Naraku]

Why isn't Ansem or Organization 13 from Kingdom Hearts on the poll options?
Yay 50th post!

Because, the contrary of what some people think, KH is not part of the FF universe.
KH is like DC and Marvel crossovers. They are cool, but aren't canon.

[1WEBHEAD]

Thanks for the clear up Narake.

[Kirayoshi]

Any nominations for Kuja? He used Queen Brahne(the illegitimate offspring of Jabba the Hutt and a Blue Meanie) to send armies of black mages to attack the world, then manipulated the free-willed black mages to do his bidding. He was able to break Garland's puppet strings for a while, which says something about himself, IMO.

[Keollyn]

Delita. Son of a Stable to King through pure deceitful manipulation of everybody.

Co-signed.

[The Anti-Existence]

Even if Sephiroth was inexplicably controlling Jenova, he still did not manipulate anyone save for Cloud. Cloud was injected with Jenova Cells and had serious mental issues. I don't call using the cells and Cloud's oh so very clear effed up brain a huge show of manipulation. The Weapons were not with Sephiroth. They simply got up because the Planet was in danger. The rest of the Black=Caped Men were all similarly injected with Jenova cells which gave Sephiroth dominance over therir mind through his unexplained control of Jenova. That is manipulation, but more dominance over their physiology which requires very little intelligence.

Ultamecia had the power to possess and control sorceresses. She used Rinoa and Edea. She never did anything uber with Edea as the head of a nation, however. She could really care less. Her ojbective was Elione and what that country did wa sunimportant.

Yu Yevon is not even a reasoning being anymore. He is simply some brainless spirit.

Kuja transformed Brahne into a violent despot seeking power at the cost of the lives of everyone else...including her daughter. He made a loving mother and monarch into something liken to Stalin. He also made an entire race and used them for his war games which all composed a very part of his plans. Spawning a race for destruction and death only to compose a minor part of your scheme and later employing their services by cunningly using their fear of their limited lifespan is pretty manipulative. He made the party go out and retrieve him the Gulug Stone which indirectly allowed him to figure out his ultimate plan. He then simply let the party figure out everything on their own and get to Tera and then had them fight him which sealed his victory.

He wins.