Villain/s for Superman Returns Sequel

[Preus]

Who do you want?

I say Darkseid.

[NotSuper]

My choice would be Brainiac.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Brainiac as a main villain...Metallo as a secondary.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Seeing the Fourth World live-action would be cool, but I'm not sure it would work. It's very difficult to translate Kirby into live action without losing his energy and style.

Fantastic Four would be a good example of this. Could a less Kirby-esque movie have been made?

[Lord of Denial]

Darkseid


I don't care how much it costs I just want to see it. And he better be a badass!

[JuggernautRM]

And Micheal Clark Duncan playing him.

[Lord of Denial]

And Micheal Clark Duncan playing him.


I would prefer CGI but the voice HAS to be Micheal Ironside. He will always be Darkseid to me.

And in the years it takes to make the sequel CGI will be damn near perfect.

[OverMaster]

I'll be the odd man out and say Mongul. Well played, he could be awesome.

If Luthor returns, he might create his own villainous group. Perhaps Parasite, Metallo and Livewire?

[Lord of Denial]

I'll be the odd man out and say Mongul. Well played, he could be awesome.

If Luthor returns, he might create his own villainous group. Perhaps Parasite, Metallo and Livewire?


Superman Revenge Squad would be cool!

[Alan2099]

Brainiac and Doomsday.

[phantom1592]

Bizarro, or Zod.


Actually I don't think a Zod would work. the first one was too cool.

Regardless I want a superpowererd slugfest like Superman II.

[Ontir]

Brainiac. I don't want to see Zod for awhile, and actually, I thought it would be interesting to see that Ursa was the one of the three, who had survived.

[PatrickG]

I vote Brainiac... with a few familiar aliens as henchmen/subordinates/lietenents.

[PatrickG]

Brainiac. I don't want to see Zod for awhile, and actually, I thought it would be interesting to see that Ursa was the one of the three, who had survived.

They all survived.

The scene with them getting escorted by the arctic police was cut from some versions but Superman never kills.

And according to Singer and the novelization, SUPERMAN II never happened either. Zod and his crew have yet to leave the Phantom Zone as of SUPERMAN RETURNS.

[The Batman]

if Zod hasn't been used in this new continuity yet then definately Zod. heck Terrance Stamp could probably still play him if he wanted to as he really hasn't aged that badly.

if not Zod then someone like Brianiac or Metallo could definately work.

[the film freak]

Brainiac and Metallo. And a shitload of giant robots.

The giant robot Metallo from the video game looks badass. It's a crime we don't get something that awesome in the movie.

[NotSuper]

if Zod hasn't been used in this new continuity yet then definately Zod. heck Terrance Stamp could probably still play him if he wanted to as he really hasn't aged that badly.
Maybe they could use that new virtual de-aging technology? :)

Anyway, I still hope we get a classic villain that hasn't been done before.

[Ontir]

They all survived.

The scene with them getting escorted by the arctic police was cut from some versions but Superman never kills.

And according to Singer and the novelization, SUPERMAN II never happened either. Zod and his crew have yet to leave the Phantom Zone as of SUPERMAN RETURNS.

I've not heard Singer say that Superman II never happened. Early on, I heard him say he was picking up FROM II.

I never heard of the scene where they all survived. They all fell down into the crevace, because they tried to fly, after being de-powered. I assumed they fell to their deaths.

Aside from his gadgets and his ship, Brainiac shouldn't need henchmen. He SHOULD have the bottle city of Kandor with him, though!

[Bored at 3:00AM]

I've not heard Singer say that Superman II never happened. Early on, I heard him say he was picking up FROM II.

I never heard of the scene where they all survived. They all fell down into the crevace, because they tried to fly, after being de-powered. I assumed they fell to their deaths.


In Lester's version, yeah, they lose their powers and Superman lets them fall to their deaths (after inexplicably gaining a half dozen new powers like Hand Lazers and Expando-S Shield).

In Donner's version, which Singer is taking his cue from, Zod & company survived and were taken into custody by the Arctic Patrol. This scene was filmed and will be a part of the "Donner's Cut" of Superman II.

Zod was originally going to be in Superman Returns but when Singer's first and only choice for Zod, Jude Law, turned him down, he removed him from the script.

[dupersuper]

Jude Law not like people KNEELING before him?

[Ontir]

I thought Superman was using Kryptonese tech to take on Zod, Non & Ursa, hence the glowing "S" net. My theory was, that he reversed the power stealing machine, so instead of taking his powers away again (which couldn't happen, because he no longer had any) he stole their powers. Which is what I'd heard Singer was picking up from. Superman had lost his powers, and left Earth, seeking a way to restore them. I did hear essentially that, at one point, but that may have been a much different and long-ago abandoned draft.

[Adrian Tullberg]

The three super villians were medically examined after the events at the Fortress of Solitude.

It was surprising that they survived.

The data provided by the results and gene samples were used in an attempt to create a superhuman completely loyal to it's creator.

However, the result was ... quite bizarre ...

[Ontir]

Jude Law not like people KNEELING before him?

Previously, he'd been offered Superman itself, along with other famous icons. He turns them down, not wanting to step into such a roll. He said he took Sky Captain, because it went to those places, but it didn't have 70 years of continuity and expectations attached to it.

[Lord of Denial]

The Elite would kick ass.

They could even build the story around Action comics #775.

A new ruthless team of metahumans show up and have a no mercy approach to fighting the worlds evils. They are embraced by mankind and Superman wonders if the world has changed and this team is mankinds future and that his ideals are no longer what people believe in.

[Ontir]

the Elite WOULD be cool!

[10xPete]

I'd love to see DoomsDay up there on the big screen. I think if they had some crazy powerful villians like Darkseid or Brainiac I think they should introduce some other superheros also. It would be cool to have a movie done based off of the Reign of the Supermen series. That would be cool but I don't think it would ever happen.

[Ontir]

who would you cast as the Elite?

I'd start with Tim Roth as Manchester Black!

[Lord of Denial]

Keith Hamilton Cobb as Coldcast

Let me think on the rest.

[NotSuper]

What would be a good motivation for a movie Brainiac? He's had lots of different motives in the comics and in other media. He's been a reducer of cities; an enemy of "The Master Programmer" (God) and Superman; a destroyer of worlds and a collector of their data; and plenty of others.

[Silas Burr]

Why would Darkseid need CGI-ing? He's not especially big.


Anyway I'd want to see Mongul. I don't like him much in the comics but I think he'd translate better into a movie.

[Ontir]

What would be a good motivation for a movie Brainiac? He's had lots of different motives in the comics and in other media. He's been a reducer of cities; an enemy of "The Master Programmer" (God) and Superman; a destroyer of worlds and a collector of their data; and plenty of others.

I'd like to see Kandor brought in, and with that in mind, I'd have Brainiac show up, because Superman is "the one that got away!" He wants to add him to his collection of the last living remnants of Krypton.

For Darkseid, I'd use appliances on the actor, but add textural stuff, and smooth out the movements of the appliances with CGI, plus his eyes would smoulder constantly. He needs to look - in motion - like a great god of evil!

[OverMaster]

What would be a good motivation for a movie Brainiac? He's had lots of different motives in the comics and in other media. He's been a reducer of cities; an enemy of "The Master Programmer" (God) and Superman; a destroyer of worlds and a collector of their data; and plenty of others.

I like his motivation in S:TAS the best.

[LibrarianThorne]

There can only be one answer to this question, really. Superman is presented in the movies as the greatest force for good in the world. There is only one enemy he could have. The antithesis of all that Superman. A great, nigh-omnipotent force for evil. A force that has conquered countless worlds and now sets its sights on Earth. A true challenge for Earth's Man of Steel. Who is this great opponent for Superman?

DARKSEID IS.

[07'FantasticGuy]

Darkseid, Brainiac, or Doomsday!!!

[Guts/Batman]

Brainiac and Doomsday.

Here here.

That would kickass. I want them to stay away from Darkseid at all costs. They've already pussified him in the comics, please don't pussify him on screen...

[Ontir]

I'm all for Brainiac!

[NotSuper]

I doubt Darkseid will ever be in any Superman movie. He wouldn't really fit right in the movie continuity given that he's such a high-level fantasy character.

Personally, I think the Fourth World characters should get their own franchise. Their level of science fantasy has never really been attempted on screen before. The movies could be based on the New Gods, Mr. Miracle, Forever People, Orion, and so on. All connected and part of a larger storyline.

[BeastieRunner]

Brainiac! Brainiac!

Bizarro and Doomsday are close seconds.

[phantom1592]

All in all, I believe Superman has the worst Rogues gallery ever. ALL his villians suck :(

Brainiac is boring, whether he is a carny or a robot, Doomsday is a one trick pony, and luthor is horribly overused. Darkseid could be interesting, but would overshadow supeman (general public doesn't understand that there "MAY" be someone more powerful than Superman) and Bizarro would be a little to similiar to Superman 4.

Superman needs enemies that can compete with him physically, but not dominate him, because he is afterall Superman. Personally This is the reason that I LOVED superman II even with all the cheesy gimmicks (cellaphane S shield, If you give up your powers you do it forever! Can I have them back? .... Ok, Teleporting) Here we had enemies as powerful as superman (though less experienced with powers) but they had him with Sheer Numbers.




Of course if they did Zod again, it would also suck :rolleyes:


I can't help but think that for the big screen they should just make fresh villians for him.

[Ontir]

Oops! Nevermind.

[Ontir]

I think Darkseid could work, but it would have to be part of a coordinated plan with the films, culminating in something like a JLA movie!

Each character individually fights an Aoikaliptan, not knowing that it's part of something larger, then in the JLA film they have to come together and learn of Darkseid and his plans for the Earth, and his lust for the Anti-Life Equation.

[Superrossman]

Doomsday.

I don't think they have to go through all the Death of Superman stuff, just have him has a villain. He should really f%$! up Supes though. It would just be really cool to see Superman #75 up on the silver screen.

[David Atkins]

Personally, I would love to see the Death and Return of Superman translated to the big screen.

So, yes. Doomsday. And Mongul. And the Cyborg.

It's all so over the top/insane that if it was translated to film and was done well it would/could be simply amazing.

[NotSuper]

I don't care for Doomsday and the Cyborg Superman and I have no interest in seeing them in a movie. Ditto for "The Death of Superman" storyline.

Mongul, on the other hand, could work quite well. If you can't have Darkseid he's the next best thing. That's assuming he isn't treated as the lackey of a far lesser character (i.e. Cyborg Superman).

[NotSuper]

All in all, I believe Superman has the worst Rogues gallery ever. ALL his villians suck :(
There are no iintrinsically good rogue galleries. Like all characters, villains are good because many writers have portrayed them well and built upon each other's work. This creates a certain image of said villain in the mind of the fan who then perceives the character as a good one.

To put it more simply: No character is great. A good writer (or writers) makes them great, sometimes by building on what past writers did.

In any case, Superman doesn't have one of the worst rogue gallery. The real problem is that many of his villains have too many interpretations and because of this the average fan has no clear picture of them in their head. When you think of The Joker and Two-Face, for example, you kind of know who they are and what they would and would not do in a certain situation. With Superman's villains all the different portrayals prevent this. Once Superman's villains are fully defined for a while they'll stand out. For this to work, the Powers That Be can't constantly switch around Luthor from scientist to business to scientist or have a Brainiac with such a convulted history. That's all that needs to be said about that.

Incidentally, if you want to see some REALLY bad villains, just look at some of the criminals the Question fought when Ditko wrote him. They were all losers and intentionally written that way.

[David Atkins]

Admittedly, the Cyborg WAS a lesser character. It is obvious that his backstory was influenced by several less than legal substances. But still, this could be corrected if, as I said, it was done well. The write righter(!), the right director, could do wonders.

I'm not for the idea of using Darkseid because EVERYBODY tries to use Darkseid, from the cartoons to fanfiction. I did, however, like the premise another poster offered featuring a Bizarro storyline spawned from the happenings of Superman II.

Other than that, I'd have to go with Jimmy Olsen and his Amazing Camera of Death. :evilsmile

[NotSuper]

Admittedly, the Cyborg WAS a lesser character. It is obvious that his backstory was influenced by several less than legal substances. But still, this could be corrected if, as I said, it was done well. The write righter(!), the right director, could do wonders.
Part of the reason he was lesser was because of that origin. I doubt they could even get away with that origin on screen, especially now with the Fantastic Four movie franchise. Still, you might have a point regarding a change of his origin. After all, he's only a bad character because he was built on a foundation of mud.

[Ontir]

I'd like to see a bad-guy who's a cross between Lobo's extra-terrestrial bad-ass, and Byrne's original description of Bloodsport - a guy who can materialize amazing advanced weaponry that CAN hurt Superman!

[Preus]

General Zod & Metallo would be good enough villains for the next Superman flick. I'd like to see a take on General Zod similar to how he was portrayed in Smallville. He should also be a little muscular & a new costume would also be nice to see. As for Metallo, I think that they should make him look similar to how he was in the Superman Returns game & he should also have his "Giant Metallo" form. His origins should be similar to those portrayed in Superman: TAS.

[marshal99]

With the stupid son of superman storyline , it have to be the evil babysitter that's the villain. ;)

[karasu]

The Elite would kick ass.

They could even build the story around Action comics #775.

A new ruthless team of metahumans show up and have a no mercy approach to fighting the worlds evils. They are embraced by mankind and Superman wonders if the world has changed and this team is mankinds future and that his ideals are no longer what people believe in.

I'm all for this. Especially since we're talking movies. I've always felt that they make kryptonians out to be the worlds worst infestation ever. A guy with Superman's power HAS to be here for something other than natural disasters. Cleaning up a mess that wouldn't be here if he wasn't here(3 kryptonian criminals or Luthor's krypton powered real estate scam) makes him out to be the source of the worlds trouble.

[Preus]

I'm hoping that we'll be treated to a good villain in the next Superman flick. We'll need a major villain like Darkseid, Brainiac, etc. We don't need any new type of villains unless Singer has a REALLY GOOD idea for a villain. Otherwise, he'd be better off sticking to the comic book villains.

[MythicBrawn]

Brainiac hooks up with Luthor. Metallo is created and puts the smackdown on Superman. Luthor plans to double-cross Brainiac, not realizing that Brainiac already has a plan to double-cross Luthor. Superman comes back, beats the three of them and somehow the third movie is set up for a return of Zod or Darkseid finishes out the trilogy.

Now, the third movie would be easy. Luthor escapes AGAIN in SR2 and in SR3 he discovers the world of the new gods. Darkseid and his minions are the villains for SR3. The third one would be monumental with it ending with Luthor being banished to a prison on Apokalips. This ensures that we DO NOT see him for a very long time. I'm so sick of Lex Luthor as the villain in Superman movies. If I could write him out of SR2 and SR3, I would. Unfortunately, Kevin Spacey has a 3 picture deal so we'll be seeing him again.

[Preus]

Luthor shouldn't have big roles in the next two movies seeing as he's been a villain in all of the Superman movies except for III. If Metallo is in the next movie, Luthor should only been shown during the scenes whilst he's with the scientists that're creating Metallo. I'm a fan of Lex Luthor but after a while seeing him in the movies gets pretty old.

[Guts/Batman]

The Superman movies should stay away from Darkseid. He's just too complicated a character to get right on the screen. And I would be pissed if they screwed his character up in the movie.

Save him for a JLA project.

[MichaelMogg]

Mr. Mxyzptlk of course. :p Played -- of course -- by Gilbert Gottfried! ;)

[DLH1970]

I don't care who the villian is as long as Superman fights a giant robot spider at the end of the movie.:p

[Preus]

From that statement, I'm glad you won't be in charge of any Superman movie. :D

[Preus]

The Superman movies should stay away from Darkseid. He's just too complicated a character to get right on the screen. And I would be pissed if they screwed his character up in the movie.

Save him for a JLA project.


I think that if anyone can get Darkseid right on screen it's Bryan Singer. The only way his character can be screwed up would be if they made him completely different from his comic book counterpart. I don't see how getting Darkseid on the big screen would be complicated.

[Guts/Batman]

I think that if anyone can get Darkseid right on screen it's Bryan Singer. The only way his character can be screwed up would be if they made him completely different from his comic book counterpart. I don't see how getting Darkseid on the big screen would be complicated.

Darkseid is a complicated character to write right. He has to be powerful enough to believably be a team buster, while having a sense of honor at the same time as being primarily in the background until the time is right for him to become visible. His best stories are ones that his presence is felt, but he is not in the comic book itself.

His current comic book character doesn't deserve any respect. He is written so badly by DCU writers that a character that takes it's base off of the character is fatally flawed right away.

Pre-Crisis Darkseid, the true Darkseid, would be completely undoable because of his grandness, power and powers, etc. That's why I said that it would need to be a JLA movie to get his character right.

[Preus]

I doubt that any comic book character can be completely "undoable".

[LordEd1976]

I wouldn't do Darkseid in a Supreman or a JLA movie. I think the Kirby Fourth World stuff should be given its own movie or tv show away from the rest of the DCU.

As for picking a bad guy for Superman Returns sequel, I'd like to see someone like Prankster, Toyman, Puzzler or someone of that type of Superman foe used in the begining for maybe a small cameo to show that Superman has been fighting crime.

As for the main villian I'd like to see Brainiac, Zod, Bizarro, Mxy, or Mongul. I'd also like to see Maxima as a possible adversary for the Man of Steel. Under the right writer I think she'd be a great film foe. Another idea would be to maybe not create a new bad guy so much as dig into some old comics and drag out guys like King Kosmos or any number of one-shot villians and try to see of something can be done with them.

[Guts/Batman]

I doubt that any comic book character can be completely "undoable".

"Undoable" in the context that a director is basically taking the exact concepts of the character from the comic to the movie screen doesn't work for characters of Darkseid's level, because of the nature of filmmaking.

The nature of filmmaking nowadays in general limits a director to a 2 hour maximum time limit, unless there is a special reason to make a 2 hour 30 minute plus movie. Like say, Braveheart, Gladiator, etc. A superhero hero in general does not meet that "special reason" status. Not even Superman.

For characters that will be in in sequels, characterization is not an issue for the most part. It's like a 2 hour long episode of a Saturday morning cartoon. For a villain like Darkseid, to be able to carry the concepts of the character to the big screen, that would require the director to devote a lot of time for the character development of the main villain as well as the main characters. That takes a lot of time. Something that the director does not have.

Actions alone do not define a character's character.

Also, consider that Darkseid doesn't do stuff alone. That means that Singer would have to do at least Desaad's character, and a few of the New Gods' characters to go along with Darkseid himself. The only way to do that is to devote an entire movie to the New Gods themselves. Darkseid simply carries too much baggage.

Lord Ed has it right. The New Gods should get their own movie. It would be able to explain Darkseid's character much better than any Superman movie could do.

[Ender]

I vote for awesome opening fight with the Parasite (whom we don't see again for the rest of the movie). I think you could do a decent parasite with fairly low-tech-non-budget-eating effects. But then go on to Superman returning from Krytpon and being noticed by Brainiac who has more or less laid dorment for years. Have brainiac come to earth to get enact his plan to finish what Zod was originaly emprisoned for the creation of his Ultimate Super soldier, the creature that would become Doomsday made of course all the more lethal by our Sun. The movie would be all Brainy's. With the door being left open for Luthor to cameo, being responsible for Doomsday complete awakening. Make it that in order to finish the awakening process you need Kryptonian DNa which as we saw Luthor has figured out can be found in two sources.

[Preus]

Metallo & Bizarro should be the main villains. Metallo should come in first & then Bizarro. Metallo should then convince Bizarro to work with him to kill Superman.

[Castaway]

Following the somewhat "real" world of all the Super-films (despite spinning time backwards), Darksied wouldn't work... I think it's clearly time for the Braniac (maybe looking for the Krypto-human hybrid?)/Luthor team-up with a cameo (in shadows) of Zod, and maybe Metallo or Parasite as a henchman type... after watching Superman Returns again, I am really looking forward to a Singer sequel...

[Preus]

I still don't really want to see Brainiac, I'm opting for Metallo & Bizarro.

[Nate Grey]

I'm hoping for Brainiac, and I'm hoping he looks like he did on Super Powers (robotic skeleton). *crosses fingers*

[Nate Grey]

"Undoable" in the context that a director is basically taking the exact concepts of the character from the comic to the movie screen doesn't work for characters of Darkseid's level, because of the nature of filmmaking.

The nature of filmmaking nowadays in general limits a director to a 2 hour maximum time limit, unless there is a special reason to make a 2 hour 30 minute plus movie. Like say, Braveheart, Gladiator, etc. A superhero hero in general does not meet that "special reason" status. Not even Superman.

For characters that will be in in sequels, characterization is not an issue for the most part. It's like a 2 hour long episode of a Saturday morning cartoon. For a villain like Darkseid, to be able to carry the concepts of the character to the big screen, that would require the director to devote a lot of time for the character development of the main villain as well as the main characters. That takes a lot of time. Something that the director does not have.

Actions alone do not define a character's character.

Also, consider that Darkseid doesn't do stuff alone. That means that Singer would have to do at least Desaad's character, and a few of the New Gods' characters to go along with Darkseid himself. The only way to do that is to devote an entire movie to the New Gods themselves. Darkseid simply carries too much baggage.

Lord Ed has it right. The New Gods should get their own movie. It would be able to explain Darkseid's character much better than any Superman movie could do.

While I do agree with everything you said, if they (Singer and/or the studios) wanted, they could just have Darkseid show up with his big kirby-esque machines and Parademons tearing up stuff. No Desaad, no New Gods "baggage", just an obviously alien, rock face looking musclebound dude who wants to conquer Earth and can obviously go toe to toe with Superman in a fist fight and has nifty Omega Effect...effects. Yes, Darkseid is more than that and deserves his own movie (well a New Gods movie), but if "they" wanted to they could strip him down to just that, giving the most barebones explanation as to who he is and his motivation.

And truth be told...I'd still go see it. :o

I'd love to see that scene from the carton re-enacted, the one where Superman demands who he is and Darkseid unleashes the Omega Effect on him. Superman resists but still ultimately falls to it. Then Darkseid says "That is who I am." Darkseid said more immediately after, but damn is that ain't one of the best intros between a hero and villain ever (something similar happened when Prof. X met Apocalypse on X-Men Evolution, but this still beats it by a narrow margin, IMO).

[Preus]

Since we'll be getting an alien villain, some of our choices are Darkseid, Brainiac, Mongul, and General Zod so that excludes some villains like Bizarro & Metallo. You never know though, we could very well end up getting those two. But if we don't, I want Singer do have Mongul be the main villain or maybe even Preus, a less recognized villain of Superman's Rogue Gallery.

[MythicBrawn]

I think it's a guarantee that we'll be seeing Brainiac. And, Luthor, even though I would love for him to be gone forever. When he's failed as much as he has in the movies, it's time to bring in new blood. The Joker is Batman's nemesis and we only saw him in a single movie. A henchman type character needs to be added to put the smackdown on Superman. Bizarro, Metallo, Parasite and even Titano fit the bill.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

And according to Singer and the novelization, SUPERMAN II never happened either. Zod and his crew have yet to leave the Phantom Zone as of SUPERMAN RETURNS.

Is that right? Did Singer say this out loud?

Hell, I gotta get that novelization.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Personally, I would love to see the Death and Return of Superman translated to the big screen.

So, yes. Doomsday. And Mongul. And the Cyborg.

It's all so over the top/insane that if it was translated to film and was done well it would/could be simply amazing.

Meh, the scripts that have been done suck (Kevin Smith and Alex Ford, anyone?).

I'm all for dropping the idea permanently.

[Preus]

Yeah, they should just drop it. It'd be too many characters & stories to try & do in one or even two movies. I'd rather just have Mongul be the main villain or have Metallo & Bizarro be the main villains in the next Superman film. It was great seeing Luthor again but we need a break from seeing him.

[eggie]

I want to see Braniac and the Eradicator...I would just love to see Braniac using the Eradicator to distract/fight Superman while Brainy sets his evil plan into motion.

If Lex comes back I think he should bring Bizarro with him...I could totally see Lex trying to clone Superman and it ends up coming out as Bizarro.

[phantom1592]

Meh, the scripts that have been done suck (Kevin Smith and Alex Ford, anyone?).

I'm all for dropping the idea permanently.


Add to that the fact that we JUST SAW IT. The last thing we need is a movie with a comatose near/dead Superman being worked on by the hospital with the whole city kicking up the hero worship to an extra notch.

I'm pretty sure that whole bit was the closest that will ever be done to Death of Superman on film. It worked for Returns, but I don't want to see that AGAIN.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

The Death And Return Of Superman is a story that WB played with for so long that I just got tired of it. Yeah, the concept art looked great, but the adaptations were, simply put, CRAP.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Add to that the fact that we JUST SAW IT. The last thing we need is a movie with a comatose near/dead Superman being worked on by the hospital with the whole city kicking up the hero worship to an extra notch.

I'm pretty sure that whole bit was the closest that will ever be done to Death of Superman on film. It worked for Returns, but I don't want to see that AGAIN.

Hehe... Truth be told, I liked that part. It was as close as it could get without getting all "Superman Lives" (not even close). But I agree. Seeing it again would be just annoying. It's that kind of things that can work only once.

[phantom1592]

Hehe... Truth be told, I liked that part. It was as close as it could get without getting all "Superman Lives" (not even close). But I agree. Seeing it again would be just annoying. It's that kind of things that can work only once.



Exactly. I liked it too. Just don't want to see it again :)

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Yeah, sometimes using an idea more than once makes it stupid.

[Preus]

You mean like having Lex in every single Superman movie? I mean, come on, we need NEW baddies that can challenge Superman physically. Lex should only have cameos from here on out & should only be appearing if Metallo or Bizarro are in either of the next Superman films.

[phantom1592]

You mean like having Lex in every single Superman movie? I mean, come on, we need NEW baddies that can challenge Superman physically. Lex should only have cameos from here on out & should only be appearing if Metallo or Bizarro are in either of the next Superman films.

I hope Lex has NOTHING to do with Bizarro. Having Lex create a flawed super-clone will be a little TOO close to Superman IV.

[Preus]

That's how it goes in the comics & that's how it needs to go in the movie.

[MaxofSteel]

I wanna see Supes fly straight into the the heart of the sun in the sequel. As a last resort to gather strength to stop whatever villain that might show up. Its never been done in previous flicks so I think it'd be pretty cool to see.

[Preus]

Well, that could work but it'd have to be after Superman takes a serious beating. He flies into the sun & comes back supercharged and kicks some ass. That'd be a nice scene for Singer to pull off (we all know he's capable of doing it).

[eggie]

Oooh, I love that idea...how awesome would that beat to see Superman beaten to within an inch of his life...maybe the villian planned his attack to coincide with an eclipse or something so that Supes is not at his best...and just before the death blow is delivered Superman races away and everybody thinks he left because he was getting his butt kicked and then he comes back from the sun supercharged and kicks everybodies @$$...I would totally love to see that!! :D

[Preus]

No, they should have Superman beaten so badly by the villain that the villain thinks he's dead & leaves to commit more crimes. Superman should then fly up into the upper atmosphere to absorb a lot of sunlight & then he heads back down to Earth to kick the villain's ass. I don't want to hear the civilians complaining "HE LEFT US" & plus, I don't want Superman to even look like he's running away from a fight.

[Nate Grey]

Okay, what about The Child Support Agent? CSA for short. He'd look just like the Eradicator and have his powers, though.

CSA? Hmm..maybe Deadbeat Killer is better. Kinda has a ring to it.

[Dr. J]

I picture Brainiac as a perverted version of the Jor-El AI, posessing the New Krypton rock Superman threw into space, molding it into a skullship, populating it with kryptonite-powered Metallo worker drones, trying to teach his "son" "life lessons" that may kill him and everybody on Earth. Oh, and they have to work in a team-up with Lex Luthor; shouldn't be too hard, as Luthor himself created this version of Braniac. It could put an interesting spin on the father/son relationship established in the first two movies (well, the Donner version of the second anyway) and impact Clark's relationship with his own son.

The Elite would be great. A lot of people may ask "why doesn't Superman take care of the middle east?" Then we'd have the Elite move in, kill the dictators and their armies, put good people in charge, etc., etc. Superman's ideals of inspiring the population to greater heights versus simply going in there and solving the world's big problems. And, I see the fight between them set up when the Elite go to execute Luthor sans trial and whatnot, and Superman won't let them :)

I think that The Death and Return of Superman has already been kinda played out in SR. He was gone for five years and people learned to live without him. Then he nearly died and you had the people swarming around the hospital and whatnot. They'd have to put a new spin on it.

This is pretty much completely stolen from JLU, but a version of Cadmus could be interesting. Superhumans controlled by the government because they can't rely on Superman and probably don't fully trust him. This could get all the minor villains that couldn't support a movie on their own, such as Parasite and Livewire. You could also have them attempt to clone Superman, with the end result being Bizarro. It'd be kind of how would Superman deal with a situation regarding what he thinks is right versus the laws of the country.

[Preus]

That's way too much, they should just stick to the basics & have only one or two villains appear in the movies.

[Nate Grey]

That's way too much, they should just stick to the basics & have only one or two villains appear in the movies.

True, but I do like the idea of a perverted/corrupted Jor-El AI as the basis for Brainiac.

[Preus]

I don't, if Brainiac is going to be in the next film, it should just be the regular version of him.

[Nate Grey]

I don't, if Brainiac is going to be in the next film, it should just be the regular version of him.

Which is? Which is the "regular" version of him? A lot of versions of him have appeared over the years in the media.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

If Brainiac appeared, I'd like to see either of these two versions: Coluan Brainiac, or S:TAS Brainiac.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I hope Lex has NOTHING to do with Bizarro. Having Lex create a flawed super-clone will be a little TOO close to Superman IV.

I concur. While I like the base Superman Returns has (i.e., the Donnder flicks), I wouldn't want to see rehashes of old ideas.

I wanna see Supes fly straight into the the heart of the sun in the sequel. As a last resort to gather strength to stop whatever villain that might show up. Its never been done in previous flicks so I think it'd be pretty cool to see.

That would be interesting. But I can only see that happening if the enemy in the next movie is...

DARKSEID!!!!!

However, we've already discussed the potential problems bringing Darkseid to the big screen would have.

[Froggy]

I concur. While I like the base Superman Returns has (i.e., the Donnder flicks), I wouldn't want to see rehashes of old ideas.



That would be interesting. But I can only see that happening if the enemy in the next movie is...

DARKSEID!!!!!

However, we've already discussed the potential problems bringing Darkseid to the big screen would have.


yea, DS means sequel after sequel, and if that doesnt happen, little to NO time to explain who he really is and bring in the new gods. Theres another choice........The Elite be great for the movie screen IMO

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Agreed. Besides Darkseid being part of the most fantastic elements of the Superman mythos, his presence in a live-action movie would mean more than one sequel.

The Elite? It might be a good choice. I guess it depends on how they adapt the characters for the big screen.

[Froggy]

Agreed. Besides Darkseid being part of the most fantastic elements of the Superman mythos, his presence in a live-action movie would mean more than one sequel.

The Elite? It might be a good choice. I guess it depends on how they adapt the characters for the big screen.

I hope they get them right on the big screen,a dn dont make em cheesy, and theyre presence would make stuff even harder for superman

[666MasterOfPuppets]

On a side note, did Manchester Black die at the end of JL Elite?

If so, it would be a damn shame, since he was one of the best modern Superman rogues.

As for your comment, yeah. With a little twist, it could work just fine.

[Preus]

I know one thing, if Brainiac is the villain in the next Superman movie, he shouldn't be weak like he was in Superman: TAS. He should also take human form (like in Smallville) but reveals his robotic form underneath once Superman finds out who he really is. I'd also like to see a total of two or three fights in the movie with each fight being long & really thought out. I don't want to see fights where Superman & the villain just throw each other around the city. If Brainiac isn't the villain, the villains should be Metallo & Bizarro. Bizarro should be introduced first & should be more sinister than retarded. But, of course he'd still be hideous like in the cartoons & comics but I'd aim to make him look more like in Superman: TAS. If Metallo is in then he should look like he does in the Superman Returns game & should also have a "Giant Metallo" form that he uses at the end of the fight of his final battle with Superman. Or, if not either of them, General Zod would be good to see. When first meeting up with Zod, he explains his origins & Non could also be with him. Not Ursa though, she was annoying to me.

[Froggy]

On a side note, did Manchester Black die at the end of JL Elite?

If so, it would be a damn shame, since he was one of the best modern Superman rogues.

As for your comment, yeah. With a little twist, it could work just fine.

he died before that, committed suicide in ending battle :(, then came back as some psionic energy dude and got kilt again :(

[Preus]

Who the hell is Manchester Black?

[Preus]

Now that I think about it, a Superman movie involving Doomsday would be great to see. Of course Superman shouldn't be killed again. After the fight is over he should just be comatose for a few days but eventually comes out of it. The movie could start with them showing Doomsday's origins & then they could go on to showing Superman battle some common thugs or a supervillain to show that he's been busy. As the movie progresses Doomsday comes to Earth but before then Superman battles another supervillain like Bizarro or Metallo. Then, Superman could get into a long ass battle with Doomsday in which it ends like it did in the comics (with them both punching each other at the same time). Superman is comatose for a few days & Doomsday is pronounced dead & is kept in a special lab to contain him. Superman awakens & goes to the Fortress of Solitude where he gets a device to trap Doomsday into the Phantom Zone (after Doomsday reawakens of course). That would make for a great movie.

[SensorBoy]

Who do you want?

I say Darkseid.

Terra Man.

Both halves.

[Froggy]

Who the hell is Manchester Black?
read action comics 775, whats so funny about truth justice and the american way? and youll see why so many people say he should be in it. Hes a british, chainsmoking TP and TK wielder with a grudge against heroes liek supes, who dotn kill, just inspire

[666MasterOfPuppets]

he died before that, committed suicide in ending battle :(, then came back as some psionic energy dude and got kilt again :(

Damn... Not cool man, not cool.

Now that I think about it, a Superman movie involving Doomsday would be great to see. Of course Superman shouldn't be killed again. After the fight is over he should just be comatose for a few days but eventually comes out of it. The movie could start with them showing Doomsday's origins & then they could go on to showing Superman battle some common thugs or a supervillain to show that he's been busy. As the movie progresses Doomsday comes to Earth but before then Superman battles another supervillain like Bizarro or Metallo. Then, Superman could get into a long ass battle with Doomsday in which it ends like it did in the comics (with them both punching each other at the same time). Superman is comatose for a few days & Doomsday is pronounced dead & is kept in a special lab to contain him. Superman awakens & goes to the Fortress of Solitude where he gets a device to trap Doomsday into the Phantom Zone (after Doomsday reawakens of course). That would make for a great movie.

It'd probably work, except for one thing: we already saw a comatose Superman. I liked how it was shown in SR, but I wouldn't want to see that again.

[Preus]

Superman died in SR & Jason healed him from kissing him on the temple, at least that's what I picked up. I'm saying that we should just have him go comatose & then come out of it instead of dying again. You can't get into a battle with someone like Doomsday & just come out of it a-okay.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Superman died? That's a negative, my friend. He fell into a coma due to the piece of K in his body and of course, the massive exposure to Kryptonite while lifting the, well, Kryptonite Island.

While I agree that Supeerman can't come out of a fight with the D-man whistling, seeing him falling again into a coma would be jus tedious.

[Preus]

Well, to follow the comic books, Superman would have to die. I mean, he wouldn't actually be dying seeing as he just needs to absorb sunlight to come back to life. All in all, a fight would Doomsday in a live action Superman movie would surely be great. If not Doomsday, I'd love to see Mongul in which Superman is checking out an asteroid/meteor for Professor Hamilton & he's beamed aboard Mongul's ship & is taken to War World. Superman battles a few gladiators & wins & then he battles Mongul. After defeating Mongul, he returns to Earth where he finds out that there is another Superman that has been sighted. He confronts the other Superman & after battling him for a little while, the duplicate starts to turn white. Upon noticing this, he flies away. The duplicate Superman then confronts Luthor as he changes into a hideous white creature (much like what happened in Superman: TAS). After noticeably turning dumb, Luthor notices that his clone of Superman will actually obey his commands this time around & Luthor commands him to kill Superman. After having an epic fight, Superman is the victor & Bizarro is put in the Phantom Zone, Mongul makes his way to Earth & has one last epic battle with Superman upon which Mongul retreats after being defeated & goes back to War World. That'd be interesting to see & of course I think that Singer would be able to pull it off.

[VietN]

I'd like to see a new Superman movie where he already has rogue gallery, maybe something in the near future. Less personal conflict while still showcasing what it is to be Superman. More action would be great too.

So I think Braniac would fit this scenario best. Darkseid is a little too "OMG" right now, imo.

[Preus]

If he has one, his "rogues gallery" should consist of minor villains. Singer shouldn't make it where he knows every villain already. That'd basically ruin the movie as we wouldn't be able to see their origins. Skipping past the villains' origins would be downright stupid.

[phantom1592]

If he has one, his "rogues gallery" should consist of minor villains. Singer shouldn't make it where he knows every villain already. That'd basically ruin the movie as we wouldn't be able to see their origins. Skipping past the villains' origins would be downright stupid.

To a point. I liked how they did it in Batman Forever. Two-Face was already established with a Flashback origin.

Made it feel like a bigger more... comic book world. Like not EVERYTHING that Batman did made it to the screen. I agree that the MAJOR villian needs the origin. However if Spiderman wants to start with Daily bugle papers about Spidey beating Shocker, or Vulture... I'd be all for that.

[Preus]

I'd still like to actually see the villains origins. In fact, I still think that Bizarro & Metallo should be the villains in the next Superman flick.

[David Atkins]

Another idea would be to maybe not create a new bad guy so much as dig into some old comics and drag out guys like King Kosmos or any number of one-shot villians and try to see of something can be done with them.

I like that idea. With that in mind, if I were the director, I would look at the guy who called himself 'Savior' (or something along those lines). He was able to create things out of nothing (knife, gun, evil pink elephants) and alter reality (granted himself super-strength and FIRE vision), and believed that Superman was a fraud-- that the REAL Superman was still dead (for some reason, he was still effected by the whole 'Dead Again' thing, where the Brainiac made people believe that very same thing).

He also carved Superman's logo into his forehead (which, apparently, gave Superboy-Prime an idea pertaining to his own later work-of-art).

I've always liked the idea of the character as a Superman villain (though I've only ever actually seen him that once-- I know he returned at some later point, but I missed it). With a little tweaking, he could be great fun on the big screen.

[Preus]

Oh yeah, Jax-Ur & Mala could make for great villains in the next Superman movie. They were portrayed perfectly in Superman: TAS & that's the way they should be portrayed in the movie (if they're in it). First, Superman finds out about the Phantom Zone projector & then he releases Mala in which he thinks that she has potential to be good (like in TAS). After finding out she's power hungry, he's planning to send her back into the PZ but she is able to defeat Superman in combat & she releases Jax-Ur. Afterwards, Superman is sent into the PZ & then Professor Hamilton helps get him out. Afterwards, he engages in one big battle with Jax-Ur & Mala & ends up sending them back into the PZ.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Well, to follow the comic books, Superman would have to die.

And why should the SR sequel have to follow the comic books? I'm not saying it would be a bad thing, but after seeing the failed attempts at bringing The Death And Return Of Superman to the big screen, I'm n ot eager to see WB trying to do it again.

[slexicDys]

Superman should fight Doomsday in the sequel, who was set loose on him by Brainiac. There was a recent Infinite Crisis tie in issue where Earth 2 Superman relives Earth 1 Superman's life...when he fights Doomsday, he doesn't die. He's in critical condition, and when Lois tell him to rest, he says something to the effect of, "No...they have to see I won't leave them...they have to see."

That'd be cool considering how in movie continuity he's both left and died (almost?).

[Preus]

And why should the SR sequel have to follow the comic books? I'm not saying it would be a bad thing, but after seeing the failed attempts at bringing The Death And Return Of Superman to the big screen, I'm n ot eager to see WB trying to do it again.


I'm not saying they should try to do the entire storyline (it'd be sure diaster unless it were to be well thought out & done by a great director). I'm saying that they should just have him die & after being exposed to some sunlight he comes back to life. That's all.

[West Mantooth]

According to Daugherty, They are working on possibility of two villains in the sequel.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

According to Daugherty, They are working on possibility of two villains in the sequel.

Where did you read this? Any links?

[Preus]

I want to see a link too. However, it'll be all the better if there will actually be two villains in the next movie.

[West Mantooth]

From SCIFI WIRE interview

Next Superman Has More Baddies?

Michael Dougherty, co-writer of last year's Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming sequel will feature at least one villain drawn from the DC Comics franchise. Or more than one? "Maybe," Dougherty said coyly in an interview on the set of his upcoming supernatural horror film Trick 'r Treat in Vancouver, Canada, on Jan. 15. "It's [Mr.] Myxyzptlk," he added, with tongue in cheek.

Dougherty said that it's likely he and his Superman Returns writing partner Dan Harris will again work with Singer on the sequel. "We're talking," Dougherty said. "We're bouncing ideas around with Bryan. Big ideas. Action-packed ideas."

Singer has said the next installment will be along the lines of the second Star Trek film, and Dougherty said the comparison is apt. "I think it's going to be a more action-oriented film," he said. "Again, the easy comparison to make was [X-Men] to X2, or Star Trek [The Motion Picture] to Star Trek II. I mean, I know that Bryan has said he's going to Wrath of Khan it, and by that he means, 'Let's take what we've already established—we've gotten that out of the way—and let's just make it shorter, tighter and more action-packed."

[Preus]

Hopefully the villains will be Mongul & Metallo.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

From SCIFI WIRE interview

Next Superman Has More Baddies?

Michael Dougherty, co-writer of last year's Superman Returns, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming sequel will feature at least one villain drawn from the DC Comics franchise. Or more than one? "Maybe," Dougherty said coyly in an interview on the set of his upcoming supernatural horror film Trick 'r Treat in Vancouver, Canada, on Jan. 15. "It's [Mr.] Myxyzptlk," he added, with tongue in cheek.

Dougherty said that it's likely he and his Superman Returns writing partner Dan Harris will again work with Singer on the sequel. "We're talking," Dougherty said. "We're bouncing ideas around with Bryan. Big ideas. Action-packed ideas."

Singer has said the next installment will be along the lines of the second Star Trek film, and Dougherty said the comparison is apt. "I think it's going to be a more action-oriented film," he said. "Again, the easy comparison to make was [X-Men] to X2, or Star Trek [The Motion Picture] to Star Trek II. I mean, I know that Bryan has said he's going to Wrath of Khan it, and by that he means, 'Let's take what we've already established—we've gotten that out of the way—and let's just make it shorter, tighter and more action-packed."

You beat me to it. I was gonna post it, but the forums were having problems.

Anyway, I liked the whole thing, except for one word: "shorter".

I mean, WTF?

[Preus]

Exactly, why would you make the movie shorter. The next one needs to be as long as Superman Returns, especially if it's going to have a lot of action in it.

[marshal99]

It should be a clone of superman - the red son superman. ;)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/patsheehan/superman_official_redson.jpg

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Exactly, why would you make the movie shorter. The next one needs to be as long as Superman Returns, especially if it's going to have a lot of action in it.

If you look at Superman Returns, there's like another 30 minutes that weren't included in the DVD. So the movie is over three hours long.

[Preus]

I wouldn't have minded if Superman Returns was three hours long, especially if his journey to Krypton would've been included.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Agreed. That scene was one of the things I was looking forward to the most.

[Preus]

Hopefully the next movie will only be a few minutes shorter. I'm hoping that it'lll be somewhere around two hours & twenty minutes. I want a long movie with a good plot & a lot of action.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Let's cross our fingers. I wouldn't want a short movie.

[Preus]

Me either, that'd be horrible. And if you notice, a lot of good movies are the ones that are made entirely too short. I hope that the sequel isn't like that.

[manofsteel]

DARKSEID would be completely awesome!!! He would get my vote. Otherwise maybe Brainiac.

I'm not much interested in a battle with Toyman or Luthor again.

I know Luthor is in the next one because Lex was quoted as saying he's in the sequel to Superman Returns on David Letterman. So if Lex has to be in it... let him marvel at the power of Darkseid. Can you imagine his Omega beams or Parademons on the big screen? That would be sweet.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

That'd be sweet indeed, but only if done properly. I see Darkseid and the whole thing that comes along as a very difficult thing to bring to the big screen.

[Zentraken]

look i think that darkseid and doomsday and braniac and mytzlpltx and metallo and parasite and the (juggernaut) i know that he is in marvel but it would be cool to see him and the bunch team up against superman because i think that the hulk should join up with superman and the justice league and go head to head with the bunch

[Grazzt]

I'm going to vote for Mongul. I think Superman Returns had an extreme lack of people getting punched and Mongul can make up for this. Particularly if it's a Mongul ala "For The Man Who Has Everything".

[Froggy]

THAT version of mongul listed by Grazzt would be great to see, but im thinking they can do magic with the ELITE

[666MasterOfPuppets]

look i think that darkseid and doomsday and braniac and mytzlpltx and metallo and parasite and the (juggernaut) i know that he is in marvel but it would be cool to see him and the bunch team up against superman because i think that the hulk should join up with superman and the justice league and go head to head with the bunch

Hey, welcome to the boards.

A DC/Marvel movie? That would absolutely ROCK. But I think we're really far from seeing that.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

THAT version of mongul listed by Grazzt would be great to see, but im thinking they can do magic with the ELITE

Oh yeah. Manchester Black was a muthaf*cka. It would be nice to see him doing some mischief in the live-action format.

[Kalel1701]

I would love to see Lex bring Metallo into the fray. Then have one of Darkseid's underlings boom tube in to test Supe's abilities. Then have Darkseid himself show up at the end which would totally set up the third movie.

[Reckky]

I would like to to see a President Luthor type story because even though we've seen too much Lex already, I actually would enjoy Spacey's Lex if under the right circumstances.

He could finally bring in his LexCorp and do some good with that to make it appear he's been reformed which gains him praise and a run for the Presidency. He could then create Metallo to work with him to somehow frame Superman to make him to look like the bad guy.

The end could leave us on a sour note with an exiled Superman, Lex winning the election, and a foreshadowing of a "Doomsday" meteor headed towards Earth which sets up the finale for the third film.


Hmmm, but maybe that sounds a lot like Batman Returns sans the Doomsday part.

[Froggy]

Oh yeah. Manchester Black was a muthaf*cka. It would be nice to see him doing some mischief in the live-action format.

yesss.......That and it play well witht he whole "world doesnt need superman" feel



I wonder if bizarro could be a main villain

[West Mantooth]

Someone on SSH Boards mentioned the idea of how Lex could get away with New Krypton.

Lex uses the threat of outing his son against Supes to keep him silent. Lex can then use the widow's money to create LexCorp. You only have to use like six minutes of screen time and Brainiac can be the main villain.

[4thHorseman]

I've always wanted to do a movie trilogy involving Superman, but I'm sure I'll never get the chance.

Anyways, I haven't read this thread, but I remember Singer saying something about an alien threat, so my guess is Brainiac or possibly WarWorld. Which would be awesomeness...

[Zentraken]

666 puppet master i agree but i think it still would be cool

[Zentraken]

I think the villian should be Doomsday cause he is the only villian to keep up with superman and actually give him one helluva a** kicking. To add to that he is the only one to kill him. He is stronger than any of Superman's enemies including Darkseid.

[Ontir]

Doomsday blows!

I fully expect to see Zod as the villain. He's the only one that Singer has spoken about really. His one mention of Braniac, as far as I can recall, was a "maybe someday..."

I'd like to see Kal Penn's character brought back, having been transformed by the crystals that fell upon him, into a new combination of Metallo and the Kryptonite Man.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

yesss.......That and it play well witht he whole "world doesnt need superman" feel



I wonder if bizarro could be a main villain

It woudl certainly be interesting to see a live action Bizarro. I'm intrigued by the way they'd bring it to the big screen.

I think the villian should be Doomsday cause he is the only villian to keep up with superman and actually give him one helluva a** kicking. To add to that he is the only one to kill him. He is stronger than any of Superman's enemies including Darkseid.

Doomy kicked Darkseid's but because Darkseid changed from The God The Devil Prays To to Idiotseid. The pathetic state he was left in by Doomsday after their first encounter amused me. It's inconceivable.

[Zentraken]

Doomsday time and time again as proven to be supermans worst nightmare so whoever thinks that Doomsday is weak needs to stop hatin just because Doomy killed Supes and to be the first and only to do it time and time again. Doomsday kicked Darky because he is much stronger and he is a better fighter by far than darky.

[Ontir]

Doomsday isn't weak, he's just a pathetic tenth of a character, who is completely un-interesting in the extreme.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Not only that. The shame in all of this resides in the fact that the character's got potential. And that DC tried --in a wrong way-- to portray him as an unstoppable force. I mean, they shouldn't have used DARKSEID for that.

[Ontir]

I found this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/bizarro1returns/greenshield2.jpg on the DC boards.

What do you think?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

What do I think?

BRAINIAC!!!!!!

Actually, he's one of the villains most likely to appear in the sequel. I'll look forward to seeing how Singer & Co. handle him.

[Nate Grey]

I found this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/bizarro1returns/greenshield2.jpg on the DC boards.

What do you think?

I think its a great photoshop job. Really well done.

[Ontir]

That's what I said on the DC Board. I've not been able to find where it came from, but it IS the movie "S." Of course, there's no reason that it still couldn't be Photoshopped, but it does give one pause!

[Guts/Batman]

Not only that. The shame in all of this resides in the fact that the character's got potential. And that DC tried --in a wrong way-- to portray him as an unstoppable force. I mean, they shouldn't have used DARKSEID for that.

I get the opposite feeling from Doomsday. If they just kept from having a history, he would have been better off. Just make a wolf. Don't give him any background or history. He doesn't need it. It just makes him look silly. The origin story is just that way too silly. There's no way I can take anything in that story seriously. It's like DC decided they had to justify Doomsday being able to fight out with Superman.

We don't need to know where the wolf comes from. We just know he is an animal. Doomsday should have stayed an animal. A monster. Him becoming a pawn for other villains, didn't quite help his "monster" image. Yes, the character has potential...as a monster.

[cactusmaac]

I found this:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/bizarro1returns/greenshield2.jpg on the DC boards.

What do you think?

I seriously doubt any studio would use a tagline as lame as "A Virus Is Coming".

[chris0323]

my son is a huge superman fan and i just bought him a new superman toy and that image og the green s with the virus is coming in 2009 was on it.

[MaxofSteel]

my son is a huge superman fan and i just bought him a new superman toy and that image og the green s with the virus is coming in 2009 was on it.

Interesting. The tagline could use some work, but I'm glad that it hints that Brainiac's gonna be in the next flick.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

my son is a huge superman fan and i just bought him a new superman toy and that image og the green s with the virus is coming in 2009 was on it.

Could you post a pic of this?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

I get the opposite feeling from Doomsday. If they just kept from having a history, he would have been better off. Just make a wolf. Don't give him any background or history. He doesn't need it. It just makes him look silly. The origin story is just that way too silly. There's no way I can take anything in that story seriously. It's like DC decided they had to justify Doomsday being able to fight out with Superman.

We don't need to know where the wolf comes from. We just know he is an animal. Doomsday should have stayed an animal. A monster. Him becoming a pawn for other villains, didn't quite help his "monster" image. Yes, the character has potential...as a monster.

Although I agree with what ou said (in bold), I think that an intelligent Doomsday has the potential to be scary. How could it be pulled off? Not sure.

After all, he's already an intelligent, sentient being. Retconning that would be just as silly as his "Year One" stories.

[Ontir]

For a film that's 2 years away, "A Virus is Coming" is a decent tease.

[chris0323]

got to walmart are something and check out the superman toys there all over with that greens and that tagline. they even have metallo toys with that on them. hmmm maybe metallo in the next one.

[Nate Grey]

A toy compaign for a movie two years away? I think its nothing more than a spinoff toyline, like they did with the "Jurassic Park: Chaos Effect" toys.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

For a film that's 2 years away, "A Virus is Coming" is a decent tease.

But that's a fan-made teaser, isn't it?

[Ontir]

Not if, as Chris0323 says, it's on the side of toys in Wal-Mart.

[MaxofSteel]

Not if, as Chris0323 says, it's on the side of toys in Wal-Mart.

If I were back home right now (near a Wal-Mart), I 'd be able to see for myself.

But I'm a trusting fellow. If Chris0323 says he saw it. He saw it. :)

[Ontir]

The only Wal-Mart near me, is in Van Nuys. I do pretty much whatever I can, to avoid going to Van Nuys! :D

[chris0323]

they have them at target too. im not 100% on it but i think it has something to do with the movie. why would the toys have the same picture as the poster with the green s and all. it even says on there about the virus coming in 2009. i threw the box out, but after work tomorrow i'll stop by pick one up and post a pic.

[Ontir]

Can you post a scan or a photo of the item in question?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

they have them at target too. im not 100% on it but i think it has something to do with the movie. why would the toys have the same picture as the poster with the green s and all. it even says on there about the virus coming in 2009. i threw the box out, but after work tomorrow i'll stop by pick one up and post a pic.

Cool. Thanx a lot.

[NotSuper]

I think the film should have three villains: A "warm-up" villain, Lex Luthor, and a main villain. Personally, I think that the "warm-up" villain should be Metallo while the main villain should be Brainiac.

[Preus]

Luthor shouldn't be a major villain in the next Superman film at all. For the next film to truly be good, we'll need to see some action. That means either Metallo or someone else going up against Superman.

[matt_hatyber]

i thought it was announced that it was brainic?

[The Batman]

For a film that's 2 years away, "A Virus is Coming" is a decent tease.

For a Superman teaser I just want something that starts off like your standard summer disaster movie FX flick until Superman saves the day in a matter of seconds. Then the tagline "This Summer" or "Summer 2009" or whatever.

As for villians, Brainiac could be interesting. A light computer Brainiac built out of translucent Kryptonian crystal would make for an amazing visual.

[Preus]

I still want to see Metallo or Mongul.

[Mister Mets]

Who do you want?

I say Darkseid.
I actually agree here.
I think he would be the best choice.

He would really be a threat worthy of Superman.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

Brainiac, modeled on the cold, calculating version from Justice and the Timm & Co. shows.

Though Mongul would do in a pinch.

[Preus]

I actually agree here.
I think he would be the best choice.

He would really be a threat worthy of Superman.


Darkseid intrigues me because for the most part he has always been stronger than Superman. I like to see Superman getting his ass whooped, it makes his stories more interesting.

[Preus]

Brainiac, modeled on the cold, calculating version from Justice and the Timm & Co. shows.

Though Mongul would do in a pinch.


Mongul is also one of my favorite Superman villains but if he were to be a major villain in a Superman film Singer & crew would definitely have to make him stronger so that he could be a true match for Superman. From my understanding, in the comics he's not truly as strong as Superman & never poses a true threat to him. And as I've stated before, Metallo would be interesting to see on the big screen too. I'd like to see him resemble his incarnation from the Superman Returns video game & he could even have the ability to assemble cars, poles, etc to make a larger & stronger version of himself to face off against Supes. Now that would be a hell of a fight.

[itsyaboy]

I don't know why Brainiac and Metallo seem to be popular choices. Didn't we get enough of the cyborg with kryptonite rays thing back in Superman III. And Brainiac seems plain dull to me.

Superman vs Doomsday would have mass appeal and bring in the crowd. Unfortunately, with the animated movie coming out and the fact that there will be atleast one CGI monster in the Hulk movie, that may steal some of the shine for this match up. But the movie would make bank just on the hype alone, especially if they really delivered in the fight scenes.

After you win the moviegoers back, then bring in the relatively unknowns for other films.

[Preus]

Since when do we care about who or what was in Superman III? That cyborg has nothing to do with Metallo in any way, shape, or form. There'd be no point in having Doomsday appear [in the next movie] because then Superman would have to die which has already happened in Superman Returns. I'd rather see Metallo give Superman hell instead of seeing Superman fight someone & die so soon [again].

[MaxofSteel]

Since when do we care about who or what was in Superman III? That cyborg has nothing to do with Metallo in any way, shape, or form. There'd be no point in having Doomsday appear [in the next movie] because then Superman would have to die which has already happened in Superman Returns. I'd rather see Metallo give Superman hell instead of seeing Superman fight someone & die so soon [again].

When exactly did Superman die?

[Preus]

Uh, at the end.

[MaxofSteel]

Uh, at the end.

Hm. I suppose that's right.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Nope, it isn't. He didn't die. He was in critical condition, yes, but didn't die.

[MaxofSteel]

Nope, it isn't. He didn't die. He was in critical condition, yes, but didn't die.

Yea that's what I wasn't sure of.

[Preus]

Well, either way, I wouldn't bring Doomsday in until maybe the last movie.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Yea that's what I wasn't sure of.

No worries man.

[Preus]

Lol, I see no Metallo love here! :D

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Hehe... Metallo's a cool villain. Just not big enough for the Super-sequel.

[Preus]

Yes he is but if not Metallo Mongul would be good enough a villain.

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Ah, Mongul. Now we're talking business, mister.

If a few of the action sequences happened in outer space, it'd be sweet.

[Preus]

I hope we won't get a stupid villain. If we do: WE RIOT!

[Preus]

I'm guessing no villains have been named yet.....?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

Luthor was confirmed a while ago. We're waiting for the other one. Something that, I feel, we won't know anything about 'til next year.

[Preus]

I hate that we get Luthor for two more Superman films. Honestly, he's Superman's so called most dangerous enemy, we get that but he doesn't have to be in every film with Superman. I really would like to see other villains working together instead of a bald guy with a green rock in his hand.

[The Batman]

I wouldn't mind it if Luthor is a secondary villian for the next film. I really enjoyed Spacey in the role. I can already see him being involved in going against someone like Brainiac.

I mean one alien menace is as good as another isn't it?

[botch]

Tom Welling has been offered the role of Superman for the Justice League movie.

I am happy about this but also not happy because Bale will be recast too, which is ludicrous, he can't be topped as Batman. Whereas Routh had about 5 lines and copied Reeve so no one cares, he is disposable. Welling is an exact incarnation of the Post-Crisis Clark Kent, but no one knows what his Superman would be like, he's only been Clark Kent and he plays the character as "clark is the real guy" based on Post-Crisis. I'd say work on the voice and he could do it. The worst out of all this is Routh, poor kid, Welling would most likely surpass him even indirectly by the fact he looks more like Superman, considering he is a huge guy, looks like Jim Lee's Superman and has those big ass Superman forearms, is the same height and weight, ohh and George Miller would be directing him, who is not only a better director than Singer but also an actual comic book fan. So If Welling surpasses him, Routh is straight to supporting roles in Direct to Dvd fare. Kid's career hangs in the balance. Routh always looked like a Kid forced to look like Superman whilst Welling looks like Superman.

Jim Lee's Superman
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/689/wellingleesupermencroppnd4.jpg

Same structure
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/7280/dyx9jblg7.jpg

This is the image that convinced me these 2 are Post-Crisis Lois and Clark
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1456/5x06smallville270py3.jpg

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6848/supermanquestionct1.jpg

Hehehehe
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/955/135024bz6.jpg

but a Movie Multiverse??? Are they going to do a Crisis on Infinite Earths movie?

[Nate Grey]

Tom Welling has been offered the role of Superman for the Justice League movie.

There's a difference between offered and accepted. Will he accept it? Cause unless he's relaxed his "no spandex" rule, seems like he won't.

[Preus]

I really hope he accepts but it is kind of wrong to recast Routh, he pulled off a great Superman. As for Christian Bale, he definitely shouldn't be recast.

However, does this mean there won't be a Superman sequel?

[Nate Grey]

I really hope he accepts but it is kind of wrong to recast Routh, he pulled off a great Superman. As for Christian Bale, he definitely shouldn't be recast.

However, does this mean there won't be a Superman sequel?

I seriously doubt he will. You'd think the man would be tired of playing the same character for, what, 8 years running now?

[666MasterOfPuppets]

There's a difference between offered and accepted. Will he accept it? Cause unless he's relaxed his "no spandex" rule, seems like he won't.

Welling being offered the role is something that hasn't been officially confirmed. Nothing more than a rumor so far.

I really hope he accepts but it is kind of wrong to recast Routh, he pulled off a great Superman. As for Christian Bale, he definitely shouldn't be recast.

However, does this mean there won't be a Superman sequel?

Nope. The last thing I heard is that the SR sequel is still set for a 2009 release.

[botch]

I really hope he accepts but it is kind of wrong to recast Routh, he pulled off a great Superman. As for Christian Bale, he definitely shouldn't be recast.

However, does this mean there won't be a Superman sequel?

Pulled off a Great Superman??? What?

He had about 5 lines, did nothing, and stalked Lois.

I think this is the death knell for Singer's Superman if Welling is cast. There is no logic in recasting Superman unless they don't have faith anymore, because what is Routh doing right now? Flipping burgers? And how much is he worth? Much less than Welling at the moment. The Bale issue I understand(even if the behind the scenes rushing this movie politics is ridiculous) but it doesn't mean I like it. Poor Routh. See you at McDonalds soon, or if you're lucky, working with Dolph Lundgren, if you're unlucky then working with Lou Diamond Phillips.

[Nate Grey]

Pulled off a Great Superman??? What?

He had about 5 lines, did nothing, and stalked Lois.

I think this is the death knell for Singer's Superman if Welling is cast. There is no logic in recasting Superman unless they don't have faith anymore, because what is Routh doing right now? Flipping burgers? And how much is he worth? Much less than Welling at the moment. The Bale issue I understand(even if the behind the scenes rushing this movie politics is ridiculous) but it doesn't mean I like it. Poor Routh. See you at McDonalds soon, or if you're lucky, working with Dolph Lundgren, if you're unlucky then working with Lou Diamond Phillips.

Two things:

1) Its no more the death knell for Superman if Welling is cast (which come to find out is just a rumor he was even offered the part, so I'm thinking its wishful thinking altogether), then it would be if someone else was cast in the Batman role in such a movie. Bale said something to the effect they're technically two different franchises with two different visions, despite having the same characters. Whoever directs a Justice League movie will have to worry more about his/her own vision regarding the seven (I'm guessing seven, could be more or less) characters involved.

2) This is the wrong thread for this, isn't? We're supposed to be talking about who the villains could be for the Superman sequel, which IS confirmed, not if Welling was cast in, technically, a different movie. Thread drift to the max.

[IamtheRock3]

speaking of welling

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=3138

[Preus]

Pulled off a Great Superman??? What?

He had about 5 lines, did nothing, and stalked Lois.

I think this is the death knell for Singer's Superman if Welling is cast. There is no logic in recasting Superman unless they don't have faith anymore, because what is Routh doing right now? Flipping burgers? And how much is he worth? Much less than Welling at the moment. The Bale issue I understand(even if the behind the scenes rushing this movie politics is ridiculous) but it doesn't mean I like it. Poor Routh. See you at McDonalds soon, or if you're lucky, working with Dolph Lundgren, if you're unlucky then working with Lou Diamond Phillips.

I happen to think he pulled off a great Superman, it's my opinion, if you can't handle that, that's your problem, noob.

[botch]

I happen to think he pulled off a great Superman, it's my opinion, if you can't handle that, that's your problem, noob.

If i'm a noob then you are an idiot. if you read superman and think Routh did a great job with his 5 lines then your eyes should go to someone else. Most people think he was bland and just a Reeve impersonator.

[Preus]

Really? But who's the bigger idiot for saying the other is an idiot because he has an opinion. Honestly, if you can't handle another's opinion, then you shouldn't be here. In fact, you're not a noob, you're a fanboy/nerd. It's all clear now....