Graduation?

[Zombienorthstar]

Does anyone else have a problem with the sucky way in which former students of Xaviers have been treated? I mean they're messed up lives arent the best advert for the school are they after all consider this little discussion from the Chamber mini-series



Chamber: It's not the X-Men, Scott...it's your school. I appreciate what you're doing for these children...surrounding them for their own kind, protecting them from the idiots who fear and hate them...but what happens when they leave?

Cyclops: Well, you were one of our students , Jono. Didnt you education prepare you for what came next?

Chamber: 'course it did...taught me how to be a better soldier. But i cant imagine every kid who graduates will want to dress up in black leather and fight evil doers like we do. Most them just want to be bankers and...and ballerinas. or whatever.

Cyclops: THats why we do more than just help them control their powers and show them how to defend themselves Jono. We also teach them about the real world.

Chamber: But dont you think the should be out there...teaching the real world about us?


Now lets consider the casualties

Cannonball: unemployed X-Man
Wolfsbane: works for a detective agency.
Moonstar: Unemployed.
Karma: college graduate...librarian.
Sunspot: inherits business, head of hellfire club
Magma: 198 innmate
Magick: Dead
Cypher: Dead
Warlock: Dead

Jubilee: journalist
Husk: Unemployed X-Man
Chamber: comatose
Synch: Dead
Skin: Dead
M: works for detective agency.

These kids were intelligent but very few have college diplomas and none really have jobs. Maybe Chambers remark that it makes them good soldier but not good people is an apt one...discuss.

[Huzzah!]

when did jubilee become a journalist?

isnt she like 16 or something

[Zombienorthstar]

when did jubilee become a journalist?

isnt she like 16 or something


shes more like 18 now...and in Gen M shes seen working for Sallys newspaper.

[Montopolis]

Well its supposed to be a succesful schoool, I guess for every crack addicted ex-X-man, like Jubes, they have a lawyer and a doctor whose names we dont know.

[Huzzah!]

jubes is addicted to crack?

Anyway. This is just another reason why Cyclops can lead for shizzle

[Zombienorthstar]

Well its supposed to be a succesful schoool, I guess for every crack addicted ex-X-man, like Jubes, they have a lawyer and a doctor whose names we dont know.


:D

Id liek to see one of the curent students become something other than

a) An X-Man
b) A villain
c) a screw up
d) dead

Some of these kids powers could help...id like to see Hank McCoy approach Elixir on advice for becoming a doctor maybe.

[Montopolis]

jubes is addicted to crack?

Anyway. This is just another reason why Cyclops can lead for shizzle
Nah, Huzz, Im just kiddin, Jubilee is not a crack whore........yet. :D

Id liek to see one of the curent students become something other than

a) An X-Man
b) A villain
c) a screw up
d) dead

Some of these kids powers could help...id like to see Hank McCoy approach Elixir on advice for becoming a doctor maybe.
It sure would be nice to see where our money supporting this damn school for the "gifted" has been going.

[Zombienorthstar]

jubes is addicted to crack?

Anyway. This is just another reason why Cyclops can lead for shizzle


To be fair most of the mentioned mutants were prior to Cyke being headmaster...blame Xavier, Magneto, Cable, Banshee and Emma Frost.

[Beast]

To be fair most of the mentioned mutants were prior to Cyke being headmaster...blame Xavier, Magneto, Cable, Banshee and Emma Frost.
Yeah, and all the ones after are just blown up by missles, and have their brains blown out. ;)

[Zombienorthstar]

Yeah, and all the ones after are just blown up by missles, and have their brains blown out. ;)


But at least theyre not journalists....

[Montopolis]

But at least theyre not journalists....
It could be worst, Jubilee could be working for Fox News.

[The Lucky One]

:D

Id liek to see one of the curent students become something other than

a) An X-Man
b) A villain
c) a screw up
d) dead

It's an interesting point you raise, Zombie. SHOULD some Xavier graduates be shown leading normal, successful lives in other professions? Sure, probably. Will it ever happen? No.

And I don't mean that to seem like I have all the answers or it's a stupid idea; it's simply the nature of the genre as a whole. A character on an X-Team falls 95% of the time into one of two categories: A) popular enough that some writer wants to use them, or B) so unpopular that most fans don't care if they live. If they fall into the latter category, they quickly become fodder for the latest attempt to show how Xavier's war has casualties and the world is a dangerous place for mutants and all that. And if they fall into the former category, they may go into brief periods of limbo (Moonstar, Cannonball, Jubilee), but you can bet it won't be more than 5 years or so before the newest X-writer who grew up reading about them wants to use them in his new team.

So who's left? Those few characters who escape the reaper but nobody really wants to use on a regular basis. So Skids goes to college. Rachel (for a while, anyway) gets to be Mother Askani, then go to college. Strong Guy goes back to bodyguarding Lila Cheney. Dazzler returns to being a singer. You can count on all of these characters popping up in guest appearances every few years, but they generally only return to regular status if the writer who made them who they are comes back to the books- Claremont with Rachel, or Peter David with Strong Guy.

All of which is an insanely complicated way of answering a simple question: why do X-characters become only superheroes or corpses? Because they're either popular enough that we want to see them regularly -- in which case they almost HAVE to be a team member -- or unpopular enough to kill off for drama. That's really what it all comes down to.

-D

[Huzzah!]

I dont blame Magneto. He seemed to be actually teaching them school stuff. And when one of his kids died, he like gave a crap

It affected him

Xavier....not so much

Cyclops? Not at all

Cable? Not sure

Emma? Giant idjit

[Dizzy D]

I dont blame Magneto. He seemed to be actually teaching them school stuff. And when one of his kids died, he like gave a crap

It affected him

Xavier....not so much

Cyclops? Not at all

Cable? Not sure

Emma? Giant idjit

I would give Xavier props, because the original five all graduated and got themselves jobs, it's the rest that are all dropouts.

[bounusball75]

The Lucky One pretty much summed it up.

[spoon_jenkins]

I don't think it's fair to criticize the school because:
(a) a lot of it has to do with the storytelling concerns The Lucky One mentions and
(b) a number of these things have changed with writers rather than having been consistent characteristics of the world. Back in the day, the X-Men had a lot of interactions in the civilian identities with normal stuff in the world. I think it's a bit of inadequacy of some more recent writing that they don't show X-Men and affiliates coping well with the outside world.

[Zombienorthstar]

Emma? Giant idjit

To be fair Emma cares loads...though she has far and away buried the most students...

[Huzzah!]

She doesnt care about the kids in general, just the ones she likes. Thats why she basically put a hit out for x-23 in New X-men

[Effect]

She doesnt care about the kids in general, just the ones she likes. Thats why she basically put a hit out for x-23 in New X-men

This I really have to agree with. She likes teaching perhaps but she is clearly a person that plays favorites and has no problem showing it I feel. Her evil-Magento point of view doesn't do the kids any favors at all. It's more harmful then good. That put her whole "care for the kids" into question in my eyes.

[Montopolis]

Screw the kids theyre not the future after all. So what if Ema doesnt hug them enough, they'll just end up on Dr Phil eitherway.

[Zombienorthstar]

This I really have to agree with. She likes teaching perhaps but she is clearly a person that plays favorites and has no problem showing it I feel. Her evil-Magento point of view doesn't do the kids any favors at all. It's more harmful then good. That put her whole "care for the kids" into question in my eyes.


Calling her magneto is just wrong...emma believes in stamping out prejudice...she believes in using natural gifts...never has this translated to 'all humans are inferior'

[Huzzah!]

Calling her magneto is an insult to our Lord Magneto.

Magneto is much nicer. His power makes him a little nutty sometimes, but hey thats an excuse. Emma is just a royal beyotch

[Syzygy]

Monet "M" St.Croix is only slumming it with the detective agency. Her dad is a billionaire.

So, no need for a "real job" there.

Also, to be fair, how exciting is it to read about mutants who have normal jobs? Do you really want to sit through a 12-issue miniseries of "Evangeline Whedon: Dinosaur Lawyer"?

Peace,
Syzygy

[Effect]

Calling her magneto is just wrong...emma believes in stamping out prejudice...she believes in using natural gifts...never has this translated to 'all humans are inferior'

I said she had a Magento point of view, outlook on things. I never said she was Magento or called her Magento, she's really Magneto-like. Which is far from a good thing. There is a difference.

[Zombienorthstar]

Monet "M" St.Croix is only slumming it with the detective agency. Her dad is a billionaire.

So, no need for a "real job" there.

Also, to be fair, how exciting is it to read about mutants who have normal jobs? Do you really want to sit through a 12-issue miniseries of "Evangeline Whedon: Dinosaur Lawyer"?

Peace,
Syzygy


Firstly, have you read Dan Slotts She Hulk?

Secondly, i didnt say make em normal and give them a book...some of these characters inevitabley stay in limbo and while theyre i feel they could be doing something more interesting that sitting in a coma.

[Twigglet]

In all fairness, the X-men have failed miserably at everything they've ever set out to do.

[Jack Flash]

Skids was shown to be living the normal life for a while. Same with Karma. Iceman too has just been an accountant for a while. Cecilia Reyes would be a great candidate for the regular life. Same with Dani now that she's depowered.

[Huzzah!]

Havok and Lorna were....archeologist maybe? Im a little vague.


Anyway, the x-men fighting something isnt necessarily needed for something interesting.

In fact many times quite the opposite. As im sure ive mentioned originally X-men was somewhat panned for the fact that there were quite issues of down time, but the market has adapted to that approach

Take Scott Lodbells run for example. I would say for my money, and i suspect there would be some agreeing with this, his best 2 issues are the post onslaught breakfast issue and the cannonball v gladiator issue.

And even though there was a fight at the end of the former it was largely quiet.


Needing to have the x-men fight space monkeys is a dire sign of weakness in a writer.

[Montopolis]

Needing to have the x-men fight space monkeys is a dire sign of weakness in a writer.
I dont know man??? mokeys in space!!! + X-men, I'd read it.:p

[Huzzah!]

I would too


but see, if the writer needed to write it to be intersting, thats the prob. If he was all like "oh hey, i get x-men. Im comfortable writing character moments but i think ill do this!"

...id be all over it.

[Montopolis]

I would too


but see, if the writer needed to write it to be intersting, thats the prob. If he was all like "oh hey, i get x-men. Im comfortable writing character moments but i think ill do this!"

...id be all over it.
Well at least we know it cant happen, due to the low SAT scores the Mansion pouts out, they'll never get their dumbass kids in NASA.:p

[Huzzah!]

considering they forgot to convert to metric i suspect dumbasses are already up NASA's colostomy bag

[Zombienorthstar]

Can you imagine it on SAT results day

Theyre beign discrimnatory because we're mutants.


HELL NO WE'RE NOT...were beign discriminatory on near genetic stupidity.

[Huzzah!]

considering Jubilee has no expereince her getting that Journalism gig is kind of impressive

although considering Jewel has one maybe they just give those jobs away in the marvel U

[Montopolis]

considering they forgot to convert to metric i suspect dumbasses are already up NASA's colostomy bag
Yeah youre right, stupid metric system. it makes no sense.

[Dizzy D]

Havok and Lorna were....archeologist maybe? Im a little vague.

Geologists. They both dig in the ground, but an archeologist wants to find a dead body, preferably with clothing and pottery. A geologists is happy with just rocks.

[Montopolis]

Geologists. They both dig in the ground, but an archeologist wants to find a dead body, preferably with clothing and pottery. A geologists is happy with just rocks.
That the stupidest job a super heroe could have, they should do something more meaningful, like judges at america idol.