After House of M...

[Magik]

Has anyone else noticed that everything seemed to go just completely weird? A good example would be Psylocke randomly showing up (explained by her brother's reality shifting powers) Moreso than after other alternate reality jaunts, like the Age of Apocalypse.

Does anyone think that the writers lately seem to just be getting quantum lazy? Want to kill a character? It's okay, you can use a reality altering powers to bring them back!

Though, that being said, if anyone wants to use the House of M as an excuse to bring Illyana Rasputin back (she teleported just as the white flash happened! SHE MIGHT BE IN LIMBO!), I'm all for it. :)

That, and hi again everyone! :p

[Beast]

Psylocke was back before House of M. And considering Jamie's shown to be able to do such feats well before House of M was even a glimmer in Brian Bendis' eye, it certainly wasn't lazy.

And yes, Nunzio and Christina purposefully left a out for Illyana to come back at the end of New X-Men: Academy X. Though technically the out has always existed, since limbo operates outside of the laws of time, and it easily could have been another Illyana that died from the Legacy Virus.

Note that House of M Illyana would not be the same Magik that we know, if she was in Limbo when reality was re-written. Just like Proteus (Exiles), she would only have the HoM 616 version of memories when she returned to the 616. And not her old memories of what happened before.

[The Lucky One]

Does anyone think that the writers lately seem to just be getting quantum lazy? Want to kill a character? It's okay, you can use a reality altering powers to bring them back!

Retcon punch!!!

-D

[froma]

If only they were able to bring back ape-Beast. Everyone else lost their secondary mutation, even Black Tom. Damn you Joss Whedon!

Oh well, I guess if that's my only complaint about the guy, he can't be that bad.

[Will.S]

Does anyone think that the writers lately seem to just be getting quantum lazy? Want to kill a character? It's okay, you can use a reality altering powers to bring them back!
There hasn't been too much of that. Closest to it I suppose would be Brubaker's Deadly Genesis but it was an insertion retcon.

[Mariah]

There hasn't been too much of that. Closest to it I suppose would be Brubaker's Deadly Genesis but it was an insertion retcon.
Is that anything like a suppository?

[Davidai]

Is there a posted list of the mutants that still have there powers? Or is it just a guess of who still has it and who doesn't? My friend was reading the New Aveners today I don't know the issue #, but Iron Man had to fight a mutant that had all the lost mutants powers...Is he just some random guy or someone that we know.

[Jkid099]

The "Official Handbook for the Marvel Universe - X-Men: The 198" has a good list of remaining mutants, not all, but enough. As for the guy in "The Collective" (the current New Avengers arc), he's just a random guy. He may have been some mutant ... he may be a human ... who knows. All they know is that he has all the mutant energy signatures within him now.

[Magik]

Retcon punch!!!

-D

Hahaha, hiya Lucky! How've you been?

I'm just wondering where the whole "Dead is dead," idea went, since it seems to have gone completely out the window lately. Except for Phoenix, who went dead, then alive, then dead. Again. Not trying to cause trouble, just wondering when it became okay to bring the dead back, seemingly without much regard for the death in the first place. Sophie of the Stepford Cuckoos and Jean in one mini-series, for instance, not long at all after they'd been killed in the first place. And then, back to dead.

Colossus and Psylocke back again, after their noble deaths, you know? I'm happy to see them again, but part of me is sort of like, "But, that really takes away from the idea of their sacrifice." It's the same feeling I got when they brought Jean back the first time, way back in the day, just now it seems to happen all the time. I guess I didn't explain that well. Sorry, Beast!

So, does anyone else think that they're cheapening character deaths with the quick fix, reality altering mutants (and cosmic entities)?

[Sentinel K]

Colossus and Psylocke back again, after their noble deaths, you know? I'm happy to see them again, but part of me is sort of like, "But, that really takes away from the idea of their sacrifice." It's the same feeling I got when they brought Jean back the first time, way back in the day, just now it seems to happen all the time. I guess I didn't explain that well. Sorry, Beast!


Psylocke was always MEANT to return from the dead. Unfortunately editorial got in the way and CC wasn't able to bring her back when he wanoriginally wanted to.

[Beast]

I'm just wondering where the whole "Dead is dead," idea went, since it seems to have gone completely out the window lately.
"Dead is Dead" was never a firm rule. It was put in place for two reasons. 1. To keep Colossus and Moira dead, as Morrison wanted to use them. 2 To keep the secret of Magneto's return under wraps. He was dead, and 'Dead is Dead'. The actual rule is still somewhat in effect, but you have to have a very good reason for bringing a character back. Joe Quesada detailed the whole rule a while back in one of his Joe Friday's.

[xakko]

one thing they never did explain was how Illyana got "aged" in the HoM world without Belasco. Unless somehow having her back was Kitty's wish so Wanda brought her back at the age Kitty would've preferred- but then not made them best friends...

[Magik]

I think there was a line in there where Julian kind of sneered at her for her age, and she teleported him into a volcano. You figure Kitty's what, about 20-ish now? Mutant powers show up at puberty, so if Illyana had never been taken to Limbo (also said in the trade), I think they were stretching that she'd hit 12 or 13 on her own, and the teleportation powers had kicked in without any interdimensional aging stuff. And someone from Shield gave her the sword, it said. Stretching, but they've mucked about with that whole thing so often that it's just tough to keep track of what's what from where anymore.

I do know that if they do bring Illyana back to a series as a regular character, I hope we get some semblance of 616 Magik. The balance of introspection and demonic losses of control was more interesting than the Exile's out and out serial killer, or the alternate Illyana willing to sell mutant-kind out to get her kid a body kind of bad. It'd be nice to see her as a hero again. Maybe one not always willing to play by the rules, but a hero, you know?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I really hope they do use that bring her back clause.

[Will.S]

Is that anything like a suppository?
Maybe......

[Zombienorthstar]

, but you have to have a very good reason for bringing a character back..


What?

Im Joss Whedon and i wont do this book unless i can ahve this character? Doesnt sound like a good enough reason to me...i think the best way to do this would be not to let writers kill characters in the first place when you know realisitcally that they are going to be brought back. If i was Joe Q and someone said call i kill Prof X id say dont be an idiot theyll jsut bring him back. Whereas if someone said can i kill Sage id sit down discuss why and if it fitted the story id say yes...onyl thsi way can death mean something in comics again.

[Mariah]

Maybe......
Well, if it's the only way you can take your medication, then so be it. Or is it to help you poop, i can never remember

[Mariah]

What?

Im Joss Whedon and i wont do this book unless i can ahve this character? Doesnt sound like a good enough reason to me...i think the best way to do this would be not to let writers kill characters in the first place when you know realisitcally that they are going to be brought back. If i was Joe Q and someone said call i kill Prof X id say dont be an idiot theyll jsut bring him back. Whereas if someone said can i kill Sage id sit down discuss why and if it fitted the story id say yes...onyl thsi way can death mean something in comics again.
I especially love the reason they gave for him to be alive, that wasn't him that was cremated(sp?), that was some other mutant who they switched bodies with at the last minute. i want to go kick the editors in the balls for what they've done to the MU. Sigh, at least with Psylocke, sure, it may have taken longer to explain, but at least it was explained.

[Arilou]

than the Exile's out and out serial killer

Exiles Illyana wasn't a serial killer. She was just *desperate*. All the others at that point pretty much would just die, but Illyana would, in her corrupted timeline, kill her entire family and everyone she loved.

[Zombienorthstar]

Exiles Illyana wasn't a serial killer. She was just *desperate*. All the others at that point pretty much would just die, but Illyana would, in her corrupted timeline, kill her entire family and everyone she loved.


Yeah you could amke the arguement that while some of the tohers had become so comfortbale within the group, Morph even electing to stay rather than return to his timeline, Magick just really wanted to get baxck to her tiemline. You never know where shes from might have been a nice place to live.

[Will.S]

Well, if it's the only way you can take your medication, then so be it. Or is it to help you poop, i can never remember
I don't know what the hell we're talking about anymore but I'll just state "ok".

[Mariah]

I don't know what the hell we're talking about anymore but I'll just state "ok".
the suppository silly:p