Ms. Marvel & her position in CIVIL WAR...

[CMBMOOL]

I'm worried about Ms. Marvel and the position she in during CIVIL WAR. :(

In recent previews, I see her beating up upon other heroes within the Anti-league since she Pro-resigration.


That makes me question her position in the Marvel Universe, when CIVIL WAR ends.

Here's the question I ask Tom Brevoort :


Also can we expect big things from Ms. Marvel beyond her Civil War tie-ins of her series after Civil War is over?



His reply was :


Sort of an odd question, really. What am I supposed to tell you: "No, nothing of any interest or importance is going to be going on with Ms. Marvel after CIVIL WAR."

Tom B




So I ask you, the fans of Ms. Marvel, what does that tell you, that they know something but they are not going to announce it until later or that they really don't know ? :(


P.S. I can understand if this is too soon, if so you can move it to the Other Marvel threads in this forum site. :D

[Huzzah!]

im suprised Marvel would be pro considering her connections with the X-men, but considering cyclops basically tagged all mutants thats probably not saying much

[Conn Seanery]

I take it to mean "She's got her own solo series and is involved with the New Avengers, what more do you want?"

[DoubleShot]

Sounds like he was being sarcastic.

[CMBMOOL]

What I stating is that she barely starting her own series to be tied to CIVIL WAR.

It's like the Black Panther's wedding it rush when it should be taken slowly and easy. :mad:

[Kevinroc]

What I stating is that she barely starting her own series to be tied to CIVIL WAR.

It's like the Black Panther's wedding it rush when it should be taken slowly and easy. :mad:

The creative team decided to work on a Civil War tie-in story for Ms. Marvel and everything else.

Nothing wrong with that.

[Porcelain]

I asked about it ages ago and he was rather blasé.

Honestly given her current direction in her new ongoing, I think (despite her past connections) she's more likely to be pro. Plus she's worked within the governement previously and her PR guru will see it as a golden platter to get her name up there supporting it as one of the first - despite moral objections Carol may have internally.

[Red Lotus]

I haven't read the new Ms. Marvel series, but I know since House of M it was hinted that she wanted to be seen as that hero she was in the House of M. So I'm not at all surprised that she would be pro. I think when its over she will be on an Avenger team. Civil War impact should last along time and with the heroes divided she should have a big role.

[Porcelain]

Her new series is pretty much that, trying to be the best hero she now knows she can be.

edit: Seems we'll be getting a fly on the wall perspective of how the SRA will work through Ms Marvel. http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=3224960&posted=1#post3224960

[Haunt]

Carol used to be in charge of Homeland Security. why wouldn't she be pro-registration?

[Huzzah!]

Her connection to the x-men. Pro Registration has to imply mutant registration as well.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

I think she's got enough reasons, practical and ideological, to support registration that it's quite plausible she would.

First, ideological: supporting registration is basically saying that, in the case of superpowers, the good of the society should be held higher than the rights of the individual. Carol's had a successful military career (rank of major, and being allowed to fly stealth fighters, aren't things they hand out with the rations), so I think there's an excellent chance that she has a strong sense of social responsibility. Consicously or subconsciously, I'd argue that the majority of soldiers are willing to be soldiers because they believe the safety and wellbeing of the body politic is worth more than the individual freedoms that they give up in enlisting. Sounding a bit like Heinlein there, but I think he had a point on that.

Add to that her current 'be the best' kick - I don't think that's a glory trip for her, I think it stems from that same desire to serve society as a whole. Both in choosing to be a hero generally, and specifically going into situations where it's very possible she'd be killed (she doesn't know she's got her own title, after all), she values the safety of others higher than her own personal comfort. In wanting to be the best of the best, I think what she's actually trying to do is provide the best service to the body politic she can - she's seen that she can be greater than she currently is (translation: can have more value to society), and she aspires to achieve that. While it's something she struggles to fully express - she's only human, and (as we see) as susceptible as anyone else to the urge to just lie down and take it easy after being put through the wringer - she has a very selfless attitude to her 'career' as a hero.

A minor factor to also consider is that she has no secret identity - everyone knows Carol Danvers is Ms Marvel (she's named on her TV special's promo in #2), so realistically speaking, her 'mask' is just a habit born of that being what superheroes wear, not something she attaches any importance to (except, perhaps, that against her fair skin and hair, the sharp contrast of the black mask looks damn good). Now obviously she's not the kind of person to accept something simply because it doesn't affect her personally, but I think the fact that she hasn't made any effort to keep her identity secret shows that it's not something she feels is important at all. She'd be perfectly capable of understanding why someone might want to keep their identity a secret, to protect their loved ones, but I doubt she'd have much sympathy for a superhero who wanted to keep their identity a secret simply for tradition's sake.

Then look at practical considerations: for Carol, there's all kinds of apparent benefits to registration. Assuming (most likely case) she's deputised to continue patrolling, intervening where she sees the need - supervillains, natural disasters, mundane crime, whatever. That's exactly what she does now - only she'd have on-call back-up, both in terms of manpower and intelligence. No more scrambling around trying to figure out what to do, and just hoping like hell she's not making a mess of things. It may be an internal matter for her to really be the best she can be, but she's no fool - having the support mechanism SHIELD would offer (in theory) would allow her to do a lot more good than if she were on her own.

So there's lots of good reasons why she'd be pro-reg, even if there are also reasons she might reconsider. Almost no-one's going to be completely pro or anti - the most vehement anti-reg hero would still have to acknowledge that something has to be done to keep another Stamford from happening, and the most fanatical pro-reg hero would likely still admit that it'll be difficult to have heroes regulated by the government without potentially having corruption and mismanagement creep into the system.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how Carol views registration (especially with the promised detail about the act itself) and how far she's willing to go to support it. The whole point of Civil War is that heroes don't need to be nutcases to end up fighting each other - I can imaging Carol giving her all in her 'new job', even hunting anti-reg heroes, so long as she believes it's best for society as a whole. She's strongly committed to social responsibiity, but she's not without individual conscience - I'd like to see her grapple with these issues.

[Haunt]

Her connection to the x-men. Pro Registration has to imply mutant registration as well.


i don't remember Carol coming to the aid of mutants when registration was going on.

[The Charlatan]

...does this mean that she's going to be held accountable for her fight with that Brood-killing guy that completely destroyed that army base, or whatever it was? Wouldn't is be hypocritical NOT to? Even if it was the bad guy who caused the actual explosion, well, it wasn't the New Warriors that blew up during that fight in Stamford. Voilently combustable villians happen to even exprienced superheroes.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

So far as her actions in the Cru thing are concerned, I think she's in the clear - while, yes, Nitro blew up Stamford and yet the New Warriors were blamed, you can make a reasonable argument that Nitro wouldn't have blown up anything if they hadn't attacked him. Whereas so far as it's possible to say, Cru's attack would have had exactly the same consequences if Carol hadn't been there. The explosion wasn't in any way a defence against her, it was simply a by-product of snaffling the cavorite, which Cru wouldn't done anyway. All Carol did was defeat Cru afterwards (in such a way that their fight caused no collateral casualties - avoiding the New Warriors' mistake), and mop up the Brood force, thereby doubtless saving many lives.

So while, yes, it's entirely possible in the current political climate that some people will assume Carol is somehow responsible for the lives lost (it's happened already, according to dialogue in #4), she has a solid argument to the contrary - and given that she's pro-reg and doing exactly what SHIELD wants, I don't see anyone in high places having any need to stir up the situation. Rather, it'll be of more benefit to SHIELD to clear her name and have her on side, than allow her reputation to suffer and not employ her. My guess is that her story will be put to the public fairly and simply, in such a way that she comes out blameless and heroic. The way she dealt with Cru may even be held up as an example of what SHIELD's 'properly trained' heroes are going to do - instead of engaging in potentially-deadly fights in the middle of towns, they'll have the experience to only start a big-ass firefight once they're in a clear zone.

[DMike]

Let's not forget that she was also a member of the CSA over in the Thunderbolts, which was basically leading up to Civil War from the start of that story, so I doubt it would surprise anyone for her to be on the pro side since that's basically what they've been building up for her over there.

[XPac]

Let's not forget that she was also a member of the CSA over in the Thunderbolts, which was basically leading up to Civil War from the start of that story, so I doubt it would surprise anyone for her to be on the pro side since that's basically what they've been building up for her over there.

Yup... Carol in TBolts was doing this before it was "cool" to go around beating up other superheroes.

Also, I doubt Carols publicist would allow her to be anti-registration.