Astonishing Speculation

[HellFrost]

"Miss Frost...you think everything's just a joke but I had the same nightmare fifty times last night and I'm having it again right now...everybody's going to die."

Those were Negasonic Teenage Warhead's last words, before the unfortunate attack on Genosha. Before Emma Frost became an X-Man. Before we found out what in God's name Cassandra Nova was (not to mention why she looked like an anorexic Xavier in drag). Before the death of Phoenix. Before the return of Colossus, the introduction to Breakworld, and the new Hellfire Club. We (myself and PhoenixboyX) think there just might be a connection.

We are both AVID Joss Whedon fans, both obsessed with Buffy and Angel and Firefly and just about anything in the Joss-Verse (not that Astonishing falls within the realm thereof, but it more goes to give credit to his style). And if there's one thing you know about Joss, it's how much he loves his red herrings and his element of surprize.

It's unrealistic to think that Joss has spent all this time building up the Ord/Breakworld story just to abandon it. It's also unlikely that Joss would start revealing his major plans now, with 10 regular monthly issues and the annual to go. It's much more likely that there is a greater villian on the way. Would Joss have leligimately spent time on building more up with S.H.E.I.L.D. and S.W.O.R.D. and the suspensful nonreveal of the mutant responsible for destroying Breakworld, a story running since the first issue of Joss's run, if he wasn't intending on doing anything with it?

What if Negasonic Teenage Warhead didn't predict the attack on Genosha? What if Negasonic Teenage Warhead predicted the attacked on the Breakworld?

It's not like Joss to give away his major villian at this point. It's much more Joss-ish to introduce us to a set of villians who will help along the story to the ultimate big bad. Perfection brought them all together for a purpose, had Emma Frost infiltrate the X-Men, and for what purpose? And why did she only recently reveal the memories? Who was she hiding them from?

Jean "Marvel Girl/Phoenix" Grey. We know she likes to destroy worlds (she's very good at it), we know that a "she" is the problem for Emma (as seen in Astonishing 6 during her discussion with the unnamed female sounding figure, we can only assume is Cassandra or Perfection), and the random appearance in Scott's mind in issue 5 (which was similarly echoed in the conversation between Scott and Emma in Astonishing 14).

Jean would have sensed the entire Cassandra Nova connection at some point during the Morrison run, whether it was when she went through Emma's mind, or reassembled her by finding the telepathic imprints in each piece of shattered shards. Is that the reason behind making Emma a sleeper agent? Or did Jean sense those memories and is secretly connected to all of this, as Perfection or is she the destroyer of Breakworld?

What is the story behind the destruction of Breakworld and the mutant responsible? What purpose did bringing Emma Frost in as a mole and only recently restoring her memories? Where does Jean Grey fit into all of this (cause it just sorta seems like she does)? I think the one unavoidable thing is that the Hellfire Club isn't the Astonishing X-Men's greatest challenge this run: It's Breakworld.

-Steve/Nick

[Huzzah!]

eh.

I say the Breakworld is a painting of Peters and he scraps it.

Mmmm Quircky

[Beast]

eh.

I say the Breakworld is a painting of Peters and he scraps it.

Mmmm Quircky
Maybe the Breakworld is actually inside Kitty's mattress. And everytime she phases thru it when having sex with Piotr, she's killing his people. So depends whether or not it's Kitty or Piotr that are actually doing the killing. :)

[HellFrost]

Maybe the Breakworld is actually inside Kitty's mattress. And everytime she phases thru it when having sex with Piotr, she's killing his people. So depends whether or not it's Kitty or Piotr that are actually doing the killing. :)
Wow. That was actually funny. Lol.
I'm not being sarcastic either.

[Huzzah!]

well Shield has a picture of the destroyer of worlds...so i guess they know


and i guess they also have some dirty videos on the internet now

[Kirayoshi]

Maybe the Breakworld is actually inside Kitty's mattress. And everytime she phases thru it when having sex with Piotr, she's killing his people. So depends whether or not it's Kitty or Piotr that are actually doing the killing. :)Only one problem with that theory. The first time they did the deed, they were in Peter's bedroom. Oh well...

[Beast]

Only one problem with that theory. The first time they did the deed, they were in Peter's bedroom. Oh well...
Ok, then the Breakworld is in Piotr's mattress. :)

[Huzzah!]

i can fix that. Its a 3 story house. Her room is on the second, peters is on the 3rd


i guess we now know.

[Romus]

How did Jean die anyway? Where is her body?

[DDM]

The hamster's world is called BREAK WORLD. If it's not already broken, why call it BREAK WORLD? Therefore, it's destruction is already written in the world's name...

[Beast]

How did Jean die anyway? Where is her body?
Xorneto killed her in Grant Morrison's 'Planet X', when he gave her a planetary level stroke with his built up energies. Jean came back during Phoenix: Endsong, when the Phoenix who was brought back early and before Jean was ready for it, came back and pulled her corpse out of the ground to inhabit. Wolverine killed her a few times, until Phoenix left her and tried to take over Emma. In the end, Jean was able to remind the Phoenix that it is just one aspect of her, and after it merged with her... Jean returned to the White Hot Room to regather all of her fractured pieces. So she's only -mostly- dead.

[Romus]

Xorneto killed her in Grant Morrison's 'Planet X', when he gave her a planetary level stroke with his built up energies. Jean came back during Phoenix: Endsong, when the Phoenix who was brought back early and before Jean was ready for it, came back and pulled her corpse out of the ground to inhabit. Wolverine killed her a few times, until Phoenix left her and tried to take over Emma. In the end, Jean was able to remind the Phoenix that it is just one aspect of her, and after it merged with her... Jean returned to the White Hot Room to regather all of her fractured pieces. So she's only -mostly- dead.


WTF, lol ... comics need to be more simple than this... thanks for letting me know though ;)

[Faded]

Maybe the Breakworld is actually inside Kitty's mattress. And everytime she phases thru it when having sex with Piotr, she's killing his people. So depends whether or not it's Kitty or Piotr that are actually doing the killing. :)

Haha. :D Beast, your posts are awfully delicious today.

EDIT: Not that they usually aren't. :)

[Huzzah!]

WTF, lol ... comics need to be more simple than this... thanks for letting me know though ;)

Jean hasnt be simple since she came back from the dead the first time.

Its not wolverine she is in love with, its muddled plot lines

[Syzygy]

Would Joss have leligimately spent time on building more up with S.H.E.I.L.D. and S.W.O.R.D. and the suspensful nonreveal of the mutant responsible for destroying Breakworld, a story running since the first issue of Joss's run, if he wasn't intending on doing anything with it?

No.

What if Negasonic Teenage Warhead didn't predict the attack on Genosha? What if Negasonic Teenage Warhead predicted the attacked on the Breakworld?

Sounds like a pretty bad retcon to me. I like to think Joss will only give us good retcons...like his kickass explanation for how Frosy got her diamond powers. Cassie Nova can genegineer me anytime.

It's not like Joss to give away his major villian at this point. It's much more Joss-ish to introduce us to a set of villians who will help along the story to the ultimate big bad. Perfection brought them all together for a purpose, had Emma Frost infiltrate the X-Men, and for what purpose?

It was Cassie who had Frost infiltrate the X-Men, not Perfection--to the best of my recollection.


And why did she only recently reveal the memories? Who was she hiding them from?

From Frost herself. Cassie refreshed Frosty's memories because the time to call on Frost for assistance in destroying the X-Men had finally come.

Jean "Marvel Girl/Phoenix" Grey. We know she likes to destroy worlds (she's very good at it),

Give Jean a break! It was only one world. And she wasn't even trying to destroy it. She just wanted to eat it's sun. She might not even have noticed the Broccoli-heads. And saying she likes it is unfair. I mean, I crashed my car once, but you wouldn't say I liked crashing cars...I hope.

we know that a "she" is the problem for Emma (as seen in Astonishing 6 during her discussion with the unnamed female sounding figure, we can only assume is Cassandra or Perfection),

The "she" is Shadowcat, whom Frost is looking at. The unnamed figure is Cassie. Frost has a connection with Cassie, but not, so far as we know, Perfection. (These are best guesses.)

Jean would have sensed the entire Cassandra Nova connection at some point during the Morrison run, whether it was when she went through Emma's mind, or reassembled her by finding the telepathic imprints in each piece of shattered shards. Is that the reason behind making Emma a sleeper agent? Or did Jean sense those memories and is secretly connected to all of this, as Perfection or is she the destroyer of Breakworld?

No, Jean didn't sense those memories because she wasn't looking for them. She had a more personal concern: why is this bitch hitting on my man? When she rummaged through Frosty's gray matter (no pun intended) she was only looking for data relevant to that particular adulterous affair.

What is the story behind the destruction of Breakworld and the mutant responsible? What purpose did bringing Emma Frost in as a mole and only recently restoring her memories? Where does Jean Grey fit into all of this (cause it just sorta seems like she does)?

Obviously, no one but Joss and other Marvel insiders can answer that right now.

I think the one unavoidable thing is that the Hellfire Club isn't the Astonishing X-Men's greatest challenge this run: It's Breakworld.

Keep in mind that the Benetech "cure" is still out there. For all we know, the agents of the O.N.E. have tranq guns filled with the stuff.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Jkid099]

Psssh ... it's probably just going to turn out that Frost has gone batsh*t insane and that she's just imagining all this stuff into existence.

[Zombienorthstar]

I think Tildie Soames is responsible jsut for all the constant talk about nightmares...

Youve had Kitty's father.
Scotss nightmares in issue 14

Note that everyone should pay atention to by the way. Perfection has a white glove...making me think that it might all be Emma beocmign a bit unhinged...or htat its Adrienne Frost lol...which i would love but would probably piss everyone else off lol.

[Beast]

I think Tildie Soames is responsible jsut for all the constant talk about nightmares...

Youve had Kitty's father.
Scotss nightmares in issue 14

Note that everyone should pay atention to by the way. Perfection has a white glove...making me think that it might all be Emma beocmign a bit unhinged...or htat its Adrienne Frost lol...which i would love but would probably piss everyone else off lol.
That's been my theory for a while, considering what's going on. Tilde being cured must have left some psychic residue or something on Emma Frost, or maybe all of the Astonishing X-Men team. And considering that her powers were to manifest her nightmares, it fits with what's going on with most of them.

Emma Frost = Basically her nightmare is that she could go evil again. So basically that's what is going on. She's turned on the X-Men, due to this 'New Hellfire Club', which represents bad aspects of her life. Her time with the Hellfire Club (Shaw), the Destruction of Genosha (Cassandra), the death of her students (Negasonic Teenage Warhead), and Perfection will probably turn out to be Jean, given that would tie into her adultry with Scott.

Beast = Cassandra Nova. She did something that none of the villains he's faced over the years was able to do, totally shake his image of himself and how he percieves himself. She made him question every aspect of himself, and whether or not he was still human. And also put in his head that his new Cat Form was just the beginning, that he might continue to fall backwards down the evolutionary ladder, becoming even more and more non-human. Just go back and re-read new X-Men, to see how much damage she did to him, and how he admits that she scares him. Hank clearly hasn't gotten over it, given the preview pages we've seen for Astonsihing X-Men #15.

Scott = We've seen a few things like Jean mocking Scott a few times, in the first storyline of Astonishing X-Men. And he's always worried about losing control of his powers and hurting someone. Not to mention Emma berating him over only being a leader because Xavier took pity on Scott. Plus you suddenly out of nowhere he supposedly chose to not have control over his powers, making Scott even more messed up, like it's all his fault. Plus I'm surehe had some fear that Emma would eventually betray them, or that she was contoling him. Now he's basically been turned into a drooling lump, considering what we've seen. I'm sure we'll probably see more of Jean mocking and tearing him down. But it certainly fits the 'Nightmare' aspect here.

Kitty = Having those nightmares of her dead zombiefied father tormenting here. The death of Kitty's father has troubled her ever since she found out he died on Genosha in X-Men Unlimited #36/Mekanix. Not much else to say about that here.

We just haven't seen anything for Colossus or Wolverine, yet.

[xmanson]

I speculate it's gonn be crap!!!

Oh, damn, that already hapened.... :(

[Syzygy]

I speculate it's gonn be crap!!!

Oh, damn, that already hapened.... :(

I'd respect your opinion a little more if you told me exactly what you didn't like and exactly why you didn't like it. "Crap!" doesn't help me out here.

Piss me an ocean.

Peace,
Syzygy