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Are the people ungreatful? The spit on Stark, they attack Johnny Storm and Wolverine etc.
But the same heroes they are spiting on saved the earth and even the universe several times.
Its a tragedy and its terrible. But still without Johnny Storm etc., there would be no earth anymore (and the dead children would have died many years ago). So they should punish the New Warriors, kill Nitro and then stop.
Doom Hammer
05-27-2006, 02:39 PM
Yes, they are. But they're reeling from a tragedy and looking for a scapegoat, so it's kind of understandable and believable. It's what people often do.
Yes, they are. But they're reeling from a tragedy and looking for a scapegoat, so it's kind of understandable and believable. It's what people often do.
For me thats not an excuse for not using their brain. The mob is always looking for a scapegoat, so it should be the resposibility of the govermehnt to think rational and to do something against it.
Kevinroc
05-27-2006, 02:49 PM
For me thats not an excuse for not using their brain. The mob is always looking for a scapegoat, so it should be the resposibility of the govermehnt to think rational and to do something against it.
That's why the government is drafting The Registration Act.
That's why the government is drafting The Registration Act.
And thats ungrateful for me. The heroes saved the wohle universe and the earth withoput registration and training.
And what would happen if some heroes chose to retire, maybe a heroe who is needed to save the earth.
"hm, we have only 1 minute to save the earth. Only doc strange can save us".
"Err, he retired and is on vacation in tibet"
"damn"
Are the people ungreatful? The spit on Stark, they attack Johnny Storm and Wolverine etc.
But the same heroes they are spiting on saved the earth and even the universe several times.
Its a tragedy and its terrible. But still without Johnny Storm etc., there would be no earth anymore (and the dead children would have died many years ago). So they should punish the New Warriors, kill Nitro and then stop.
They ARE being ungrateful and irrational... but the sad thing is I think that often is a pretty realistic potrayal of the public.
Part of the reason our countries founding fathers created a representative democracy rather than a true democracy is because they in their wisdom realized the masses often can be too irrational to govern itself.
DoubleShot
05-27-2006, 03:20 PM
Yes, the people are ungrateful, but it would happen in real life also.
Think about when Bush first was elected president. People didn't like him and he had a very low popularity rating. Then 911 hit and omg EVERYBODY couldn't show him enough love. It was to the point that if you didn't like Bush you just were not American enough and were told to leave. If you were in an area that was anti-Bush pre-911 then you may understand what I'm saying. Now granted he never saved the world by any means but it just shows how quickly the attitude of people and how it can change overnight.
So a mob bashing Johnny Storm into a coma doesn't come across as something that could not happen. It just shows how pathetic and irrational people are when they feel they don't have any power to control their own lives.
StoneGold
05-27-2006, 04:34 PM
"But Main Street is still cracked and broken."
"Sorry mom, the mob has spoken."
Monrail, monorail, monorail!
Mono---- D'OH!!!
Huzzah!
05-27-2006, 04:47 PM
The pubilc is forgetful
I mean...Registration...
This calls for Mandriods. Where are the mandriods?
drinkblatzbeer
05-27-2006, 04:53 PM
thusfar, from what i've read in CW #1, wolverine #42 and she hulk #8 the public pretty much mirrors how crazy the american public has become in the last decade or so...
filthysize
05-27-2006, 05:08 PM
Ungrateful? Nah. Short term memory, maybe.
DoubleShot
05-27-2006, 05:57 PM
thusfar, from what i've read in CW #1, wolverine #42 and she hulk #8 the public pretty much mirrors how crazy the american public has become in the last decade or so...
Exactly! Completly agree.
Kevinroc
05-27-2006, 06:31 PM
They ARE being ungrateful and irrational... but the sad thing is I think that often is a pretty realistic potrayal of the public.
Part of the reason our countries founding fathers created a representative democracy rather than a true democracy is because they in their wisdom realized the masses often can be too irrational to govern itself.
Well, yeah.
Although the citizens of the Marvel Universe have always been more than a little ungrateful to the heroes of the Marvel Universe.
Young Avenger
05-27-2006, 09:26 PM
Not all of the public is ungrateful. One of the covers for Fantastic Four show that there are citizens against registration.
Huzzah!
05-27-2006, 09:41 PM
They are ungrateful for the mandroids...thats undisputable
drinkblatzbeer
05-28-2006, 09:06 AM
mandroids...
shit...
they always come in so cocky,like they're going to kick so much ass, then get absolutely wiped up everywhere they turn...
yes, there should be at least one issue dedicated to mandroids!
Alan2099
05-28-2006, 10:40 AM
And to think, these are the same people that throw a yearly Avengers parade and I think they even have a Fantastic Four holiday too.
Irrational or not, this just doesn't make much sense. The marvel Universe has suffered much worse than this without everybody suddenly flipping out.
Kevinroc
05-28-2006, 11:17 AM
And to think, these are the same people that throw a yearly Avengers parade and I think they even have a Fantastic Four holiday too.
Irrational or not, this just doesn't make much sense. The marvel Universe has suffered much worse than this without everybody suddenly flipping out.
In comparison to the number of times people have tried to evict The Fantastic Four or had mass protests outside of Avengers Mansion.
Some people are just looking for trouble. Johnny was at the wrong place, talking to the wrong people, at the wrong time.
jade_nova
05-28-2006, 07:54 PM
The public is turning against a group of people that could kill them in a heartbeat.
lordlad
05-28-2006, 09:44 PM
as far as i know, the general public is ALWAYS ungrateful......
that's why there is no super heroes in real life.
Rachel Grey
05-29-2006, 02:56 AM
They are. Stupid flatscans...
And to think, these are the same people that throw a yearly Avengers parade and I think they even have a Fantastic Four holiday too.
Irrational or not, this just doesn't make much sense. The marvel Universe has suffered much worse than this without everybody suddenly flipping out.
Sometimes a particular incident, for whatever reason, simply strikes a cord. Rodney King or Columbine... it's not the first time or the last incidents like that happened. But it was caught on video at just the right time which struck just the right cord. Also, it involved children and occured after a series of pretty big events.
Civil War is like the Perfect Storm... various seperate things came together under just the right circumstances to create an effect far bigger than you might expect under different circumstances.
Exodus
05-29-2006, 05:21 PM
Incidents rarely change peoples mind thou.
It just brings out the right(or wrong) crowd.
How many people do u need for a protest?
100? 200? 2000?
New York alone has what... 9 million people?
In a world with so many people in it, there will always be someone protesting against, and someone for ANY issue that can arize.
-Exodus
algertman
05-29-2006, 05:24 PM
thusfar, from what i've read in CW #1, wolverine #42 and she hulk #8 the public pretty much mirrors how crazy the american public has become in the last decade or so...
At least they are not like Europe and letting big brother burn them in ovens
algertman
05-29-2006, 05:26 PM
as far as i know, the general public is ALWAYS ungrateful......
that's why there is no super heroes in real life.
I know, that guy down the street from me is bullet proof. He would TOTALLY be a superhero if everyone was grateful :rolleyes:
What do you think memorial day is?
DoubleShot
05-29-2006, 05:46 PM
And to think, these are the same people that throw a yearly Avengers parade and I think they even have a Fantastic Four holiday too.
Irrational or not, this just doesn't make much sense. The marvel Universe has suffered much worse than this without everybody suddenly flipping out.
You know something? Your right. Reading that made me remember when whole cities not to mention the world was taken over by The Master of Worlds or whatever that villians name was from Alpha Flight a few years ago. They didn't recon or change it using time travel techniques. They put up a monument and then never mentioned it again.
Kevinroc
05-29-2006, 06:15 PM
Incidents rarely change peoples mind thou.
It just brings out the right(or wrong) crowd.
How many people do u need for a protest?
100? 200? 2000?
New York alone has what... 9 million people?
In a world with so many people in it, there will always be someone protesting against, and someone for ANY issue that can arize.
-Exodus
It takes a gradual shift to change the public's mind.
Since Civil War is meant as a political allegory, look at how The Bush Administration went from one of the most popular presidencies to one of the most despised presidencies.
The Iraq War drags on.
Katrina.
Rising gas prices.
These things add up.
Anyways, Marvel has built up a few things to really anger the public that were mentioned in various comics.
Disassembled.
Philidelphia getting bombed in the pages of Captain America.
House of M and the world's collective brain fart (and nobody knowing what happened to all the mutants).
The Hulk destroying Vegas.
Daredevil's public ID problems.
Etc.
ShaggyB
05-29-2006, 09:23 PM
never under-estimate the power of stupid people in numbers. yes they are ungrateful, is it justified. noooo scapegoats are never justified. the germans did it in WW2. did it work there?
lets ask this one. why does no one blame the public for watching the new warriors reality show. had their been no ratings no show, no show no catalyst. I would blame the public itself, then the tv studio then the heros involved, then the hero community
Alex L
05-29-2006, 09:57 PM
"Don't blame the New Warriors, they were victims of the reality-TV oriented culture created by the TV studios which themselves are doing nothing more than catering to the public. It's the public's fault."
...nah, I blame primarily the Warriors for Stamford (assuming the NW were in control of the show, which it seems like they were).
TheUltimateMike
05-30-2006, 02:06 AM
Of course the public is scapegoating. It's just like the real world. People hate the cops but one can't get there fast enough if their world goes to crap. Same thing with the heroes, its great when they save the day but when something goes awry, they're abominations and they need to be registered. The though of Registration makes me sick.
Smokeyjay
05-30-2006, 03:58 AM
I like to think that I would remember the people who saved the universe and Earth countless times.
Really, by all accounts, I'm sure everyone would still remember something as grand as that.
But I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for some good story telling. It's still plausible, but in reality, if the famous superheros who saved Earth a number of times went public saying they were against registration, then I see the general public siding with them. There would be numerous debates, and maybe voluntary registration to appease the angry people, but then the whole event would be shuffled away and some other crisis would take hold on Marvel Earth.
Crimson
05-30-2006, 05:17 AM
I like to think that I would remember the people who saved the universe and Earth countless times.
Really, by all accounts, I'm sure everyone would still remember something as grand as that.
But I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for some good story telling. It's still plausible, but in reality, if the famous superheros who saved Earth a number of times went public saying they were against registration, then I see the general public siding with them. There would be numerous debates, and maybe voluntary registration to appease the angry people, but then the whole event would be shuffled away and some other crisis would take hold on Marvel Earth.
Surely it's going to be hard to go public with something when you're wanted by the government?
ShaggyB
05-30-2006, 10:36 AM
the question is not about the ease of going public but if the public is being hypocritical. I say it does mirror reality. kids shoot up schools and no one blames the parents.... no its videogames and violent tv and movies. its never the lack of parental supervision and teachings of ethics and morals. No one can ever except the blame for their on misfortunes. makes me sick how much it mirrors reality. take my example, parents didnt blame themselves they blamed videogames and walmart for selling bullets. Explain to me why the public needs a scapegoat and why they cant just except responsibility for their own part in it.
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