X4: Your pitch.

[Zombienorthstar]

Now that X3 is done what are your guys ideas and suggestions for X4 (if such a movie were ever to exsist)


My film conflicts would include the Hellfire Club (including such members as White Queen, Sebastian Shaw, Sunspot, Sage etc) and also the Morlocks (led by Marrow, consisting of mutants large focus given to Caliban, Chamber and Skids as Marrows back up guys) there will be compairsons made by this elite club for powerful mutants and the mutants who live beneath the city. At some point the morlock massacre would happen (this would be the Hellfire Clubs doing...for some reason)

My core X-roster will be Wolverine,Iceman, Angel, Shadowcat,(in this film wed finally see some heat between kitty and peter) Collosus...with Storm, Wolverine and Beast taking an advisory role. Wed also find a very angry Alex Summers roar up on his motorbike with his green haired girlfriend Polaris on the back and demands to know what happened to his brother (you could have a little poke at continuity here with Logan saying 'another Summers boy? Just how many of you are there?') Havok and Polaris stick around to help deal with the porblems.

In the course of the battle wed see:

-Angel loose his wings

- A Kitty Pryde Emma Frost face off.

- A reunite battle between Logan and Sabretooth

-The first flashes of Gambit mysteriously accompanied by Rogue who has so far been conspicuous in her absence. Bobby catches up adn asks why she left..she says her powers are back and its time to finally to start using her mutant abbillities instead of running from them. At which point she drains Bobby and leaves...it seems Rogue aint good any more.

With the loss of Angels wings itd make for a good last scene and link to Apocalypse in X5.

[Novaya Havoc]

The megastar Dazzler releases a movie chronicling her struggles as a mutant, and it releases worldwide to massive protests. This, coupled with the events of X3, spawn the creation of a sentinel program.

New characters: Dazzler, Emma Frost, Tarot, Cypher, Rictor
Returning characters: Storm, Beast, Wolverine, Rogue, Iceman, Colossus, Angel.

Magneto and the Brotherhood get a long rest for most of this movie, reduced to some cameos. More human-styled villains and a focus on the Sentinels.

Yep. You love it.

[Montopolis]

Screw that, no more X-nothings, Id rather they start fresh get a good director and have them make a spin off, but yet still be the xmen, sort of like an Uncanny Xmen, or Astonishing Xmen, or New Mutants. I could care less if they replace everyone, as long as there's wolverine in it. It will never happen.
I have also always dreamed of an Age of Apocalypse Movie, it wont sell to the generla public I think, but the fans would like it.

[Zombienorthstar]

The megastar Dazzler releases a movie chronicling her struggles as a mutant, and it releases worldwide to massive protests. This, coupled with the events of X3, spawn the creation of a sentinel program.

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I did wanna include Dazzler in my movie but to a non-speaking cameo as a Hellfire CLub singer...using her powers while singing.

[The Fury]

Main Idea: Mutant Massacre


Lets see, it starts with the school after losing 3 teachers in such a short time need to recall old students to come back a train the students. Beast returns to the school as well as Havok, Polaris and Psylocke (doesn't matter what body she is in but she must be British, accent and all).


Meanwhile, Nathaniel Essex, a scientist who is obssessed with the mutant x-gene has worked for years trying to find it's secrets so that he himself might give himself superhuman powers (jealous over those who have it naturally). In correlating all the data on as many mutants as possible, he becomes obsessed with creating the perfect mutant race and deams those mutants who have 'inferior genetic code' unworthy of becoming part of this race.

He captures and brainwashes many powerful mutants lead by Gambit (Marauders) and sends them out to remove the inferior mutants. Their first port of call is to murder most the mutants that living underground (as seen in X-men 3). Callsito esacpes and runs to the X-men, who swiftly go to help. This team of mutants show the X-men up and the X-men fail to save but a few mutants.

In the process, the Maruaders capture Havok. Essex, using the 'cure' and reverses it, uses stolen gentic code from captured mutants he thinks strong enough to implant into himself, 2 of these mutants are Havok...and Cyclops, Who he found unconsious somewhere in Canada.

Er...X-men go nbattle him and win...dunno...that's all i'm at.

[fishtaco]

Characters I'd like to see in X4: Iceman (X-Man), Beast (former X-Man), Havok (slave of Genosha), Nightcrawler (X-Man) (come back!), Wolverine (X-Man), Storm (X-Man leader), Colossus (X-Man), Thunderbird I (X-Man, dies when Fenris shoots down his plane), Shadowcat (X-Men), Rogue (rejoins X-Men), Magneto (joins X-Men), Longshot (X-Man), Dazzler (cameo, Genoshans kidnap mutants at her concert), Forge (forced to work for Genoshan government, liberated by X-Men), Jubilee (travels with Wolverine when they get lost from the rest of the team), Siryn, Leech (captured by Genosha, used to exterminate/capture mutants), Sebastian Shaw (Inner Circle, funds Mutate Bonding technology), Donald Pierce (expelled from Inner Circle), Selene, Mats'uo Tsuryaba, Fenris (has it in for Magneto), Shadow King (boogey man behind the whole thing), Moira MacTaggert (ally of X-Men), Wolfsbane (Moira's daughter, lab assistant), Val Cooper (government agent, works with Beast), Trish Tilby (reporter, minor cameo), Rachel Summers/Phoenix (the star, comes back and joins team to prevent disaster. Stuck in present. Taps into Phoenix, X-Men worried that she the "psychic barriers" that Xavier 2013 put in Rachel will not hold. Rachel does not become Dark Phoenix but saves the day), Ahab (or "Rory Campbell") (Genoshan "scientist", archnemesis of Rachel), Destiny (not sure where to fit her in), Magik (not sure where to fit her in), Cameron Hodge, Pipeline, Phillip Moreau, Jenny Ransome, Hawkshaw, Tam Anderson, Punchout.

Genosha, Hellfire Club, X-Men, Genoshan Mutates, US government sentinels, Hounds, fate/free will, accepting Magneto into the ranks, human and mutant X-Men, Days of Future Past... It can all fit in. It can work.

[bounusball75]

Apocalypse is coming.....

main cast: kitty, wolverine, peter, beast, rouge, iceman, angel, Mags is back, Pyro, Juggernaut,Charlie X is back, and rogue is back but still depowered but, not for long. Storm is in africa(YAY). Gambit and and mag's chillins are here to fight. Havok shows up determined to find out what the hell happened to his brother.

Its a who's who of mutants fighting that big immortal S.O.B

Mystique and there rest of the brotherhood who isn't dead is getting time away from this movie.

[Haunt]

i just want the Hellfire Club. and Jason Isaacs as Sebastian Shaw.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005042/

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF52art/ASTXM015_3.jpg

[Zombienorthstar]

i just want the Hellfire Club. and Jason Isaacs as Sebastian Shaw.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005042/

http://www.newsarama.com/JoeFridays/JF52art/ASTXM015_3.jpg


Thats like perfect casting dude...

though for the movie id drop the 19th cent. bondage wear and jsut have them be evil mutant business man club.

[Twigglet]

Right.

I'd have Emma Frost come in whom owns another mutant school, with a more liberal approach.

I'd like to see a lot of newer mutants come through, and decide which schools to go to.

Make it ineteresting, and split the X-men up, send Kitty to Emma's school etc etc.

But then have the main plot being Pyro's new brotherhood attacking homo sapiens, and with Professor X no longer being alive.. BAM the launch of the Sentinal programme :)

[Madrox84]

I'd would probably have the next film (if there is one) focus on the Sentinal Programme and more human bad guys... I'd also bring back Nightcrawler and add Havok and Polaris.

I'd also have cameo appearances by members of the Hellfire Club, as setup for the next movie...

Also Jason Isaacs would make a brilliant Sebastian Shaw!!

[Twigglet]

Characters I'd like to see in X4: Iceman (X-Man), Beast (former X-Man), Havok (slave of Genosha), Nightcrawler (X-Man) (come back!), Wolverine (X-Man), Storm (X-Man leader), Colossus (X-Man), Thunderbird I (X-Man, dies when Fenris shoots down his plane), Shadowcat (X-Men), Rogue (rejoins X-Men), Magneto (joins X-Men), Longshot (X-Man), Dazzler (cameo, Genoshans kidnap mutants at her concert), Forge (forced to work for Genoshan government, liberated by X-Men), Jubilee (travels with Wolverine when they get lost from the rest of the team), Siryn, Leech (captured by Genosha, used to exterminate/capture mutants), Sebastian Shaw (Inner Circle, funds Mutate Bonding technology), Donald Pierce (expelled from Inner Circle), Selene, Mats'uo Tsuryaba, Fenris (has it in for Magneto), Shadow King (boogey man behind the whole thing), Moira MacTaggert (ally of X-Men), Wolfsbane (Moira's daughter, lab assistant), Val Cooper (government agent, works with Beast), Trish Tilby (reporter, minor cameo), Rachel Summers/Phoenix (the star, comes back and joins team to prevent disaster. Stuck in present. Taps into Phoenix, X-Men worried that she the "psychic barriers" that Xavier 2013 put in Rachel will not hold. Rachel does not become Dark Phoenix but saves the day), Ahab (or "Rory Campbell") (Genoshan "scientist", archnemesis of Rachel), Destiny (not sure where to fit her in), Magik (not sure where to fit her in), Cameron Hodge, Pipeline, Phillip Moreau, Jenny Ransome, Hawkshaw, Tam Anderson, Punchout.

Genosha, Hellfire Club, X-Men, Genoshan Mutates, US government sentinels, Hounds, fate/free will, accepting Magneto into the ranks, human and mutant X-Men, Days of Future Past... It can all fit in. It can work.

None of that would ever ever work.

[Faded]

I haven't seen X3 yet, but I'd really love an animated movie. :)

[Montopolis]

Ahh my cast, -Rouge, Storm, Jean, Rachel Grey, Syrin, Jubilee, Psylocke, Kitty, Polaris, Dazzler, Northstar, Blink, & Husk, led by Emma Frost, have to duke it out with – Scarlet Witch, Callisto, Spiral, Marrow, Lady Deathstrike, Selene, Madelyne Pryor, and Mystique, in Savage land, where they are some how loosing pieces of clothing (thanks to Sauron), and all they have is mud to cover themselves. Who will win??? Who cares. :D

[Sentinel K]

Empire has an article about possible plots characters that could be in X4 if anyone is interested.

http://www.empireonline.com/

[Novaya Havoc]

AHHHH PICTURE OF HIDEOUS MAN-LER + PLAYED BY ASHLEE SIMPSON?!?!?!

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[Zengei]

My pitch? Start over with the X-Men set in a different Movieverse. In this movieverse the government is increasingly hostile towards mutants and implements the registration act and the sentinel program. You can have different characterizations and explore things that could not be easily explored in the continuity set up in X1-X3.

[Ontir]

First: BEG IMAN TO PLAY STORM!

Then: It's been a difficult time for the X-Men and the school, since losing Charles. Storm is having to learn on the job, and there's a great deal to juggle. One of the things that's helped, is the influx of cash from Warren Worthington III. Logan is continuing to cover Scott's classes - begrudgingly, and after a great deal of cajolling, three former students return to teach:

(Julia Styles) Emma Frost, whom the students quickly learn, lives up to her name, and as a telepath, impossible to fool.

(James Marsden) Alec Summers, Cyclops' brother, codename "Havoc."

Last, but hardly least: Kurt Wagner - "Nightcrawler."

Having given up her powers, Marie found she just didn't fit in at the school anymore, and has decided to go home to her family, and try to live the "normal" life she's chosen.

Iceman and Sprite have been spending a great deal of time together, but Kitty's increasingly drawn to Collosus - who somehow hasn't noticed her yet.

Students abound, but so does danger: There are those who despised them, and after the events in San Francisco, feel more justified than ever, in their hatred of mutants. Chief among them, is the Trask family. Having friends in high places - and a brother in the cabinet, they've put into production the Sentinel program. Rumours have circulated amongst the mutants, and even in human society, but there's been no mention of it in any news outlet, and the government has been unresponsive to any question. The X-Men are about to receive bitter confirmation of the Sentinels existence, and that knowledge is something they'll never forget - no matter how hard they try!

[Zombienorthstar]

(James Marsden) Alec Summers, Cyclops' brother, codename "Havoc."

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WAIT...Havoc and Cyke played by the same guy...thatd just be stupid and creepy.

[Ontir]

I wouldn't do it, if they were going to both be in the same film, but I like Marsden, and I think he got cheated in the development of the series. I'd have him bleach his hair, and play the part. For the X-Men, he'd be someone they already know. It'd be more disconcerting for the students, and perhaps the audience.

[Ugoff]

Now that X3 is done what are your guys ideas and suggestions for X4 (if such a movie were ever to exsist)


My film conflicts would include the Hellfire Club (including such members as White Queen, Sebastian Shaw, Sunspot, Sage etc) and also the Morlocks (led by Marrow, consisting of mutants large focus given to Caliban, Chamber and Skids as Marrows back up guys) there will be compairsons made by this elite club for powerful mutants and the mutants who live beneath the city. At some point the morlock massacre would happen (this would be the Hellfire Clubs doing...for some reason)

My core X-roster will be Wolverine,Iceman, Angel, Shadowcat,(in this film wed finally see some heat between kitty and peter) Collosus...with Storm, Wolverine and Beast taking an advisory role. Wed also find a very angry Alex Summers roar up on his motorbike with his green haired girlfriend Polaris on the back and demands to know what happened to his brother (you could have a little poke at continuity here with Logan saying 'another Summers boy? Just how many of you are there?') Havok and Polaris stick around to help deal with the porblems.

In the course of the battle wed see:

-Angel loose his wings

- A Kitty Pryde Emma Frost face off.

- A reunite battle between Logan and Sabretooth

-The first flashes of Gambit mysteriously accompanied by Rogue who has so far been conspicuous in her absence. Bobby catches up adn asks why she left..she says her powers are back and its time to finally to start using her mutant abbillities instead of running from them. At which point she drains Bobby and leaves...it seems Rogue aint good any more.

With the loss of Angels wings itd make for a good last scene and link to Apocalypse in X5.


I like this idea and I would definitely watch this. Not to be rude to anyone here but I dont care what X4 is about as long as I get to see some live action mutant kick butt goodness! :-)

I also love Ontir's idea of Iman playing Storm! That would so rock! I also would like to see the fourth movie deal with Sentinels but I think that could prove to expensive. So how about just one mega bad ass Sentinel like Nimrod? I would also like to see an X-Factor movie(not sure which incarnation, there's so many of them! lol) and an X-Force movie(not sure which incarnation).

[Domo Goddess]

I would be happy as long as Longshot appears and is played by
Orlando Bloom ! I have no idea who would play Major and Minor Domo and
Spiral !

[Sean Whitmore]

Essex appears on the scene, promising depowered mutant criminals a way to restore their powers. Chief among them, Magneto, who is barely able to life a soda can months after the last film.

17-year old Gambit is on the run from Essex, having stolen something essential to his plot (who cares what it is, just some mcguffin). He enrolls himself in Xavier's to blend in, and of course doesn't tell anyone the trouble he's bringing with him.

Then the Marauders appear at the school...not the comic Marauders, because they're ass. These Marauders would just be whichever mutant baddies the director wants to use. And they're led, of course, by...DARK CYCLOPS!

Who the Marauders kill or don't kill depends on what the studio decides they want the tone of the movie should be. Hey, I'm realistic.

With Wolverine and Storm the only returning full-fledged X-Men, most of the heroics are carried out by the second generation. Kitty, Iceman, Colossus, Angel, and Gambit form the team. No more new heroes until Colossus gets a personality, dammit!

And things progress from there, you get the idea. I'm not being paid to write the damn thing.

Oh, and Cyclops saves the day at the end. Not f***ing Wolverine.

And, even though I'm bored with the character, Apocalypse gets a token mention somewhere along the line as a setup for X5. Why not, I'm generous.


SEAN

[Rachel Grey]

I like your idea Sean, but I'd have a cameo or two by a teen Illyana and have the final scene of the film as a young redhead knocking on the mansion door and then freaking out and then running away when Yana answers it.

Collosus: Who was that, sis?

Yana: No idea, she just ran off in tears...

[Sean Whitmore]

I like your idea Sean, but I'd have a cameo or two by a teen Illyana and have the final scene of the film as a young redhead knocking on the mansion door and then freaking out and then running away when Yana answers it.


The young redhead being Rachel? That would be awesome! And it brings Sinister's Summers DNA obsession into things.

I must be missing something, though...why would Rachel run away from Illyana?


SEAN

[Xany Kaos]

X4 is all a flashback, and barely deals with the X-men at all. Instead, let it focus on early Xavier and Eric, their falling out, and the early Brotherhood days.

Because honestly, in all three movies, the scenes that focus just on the X-men are when I leave the room to get a drink or something. Largely because of halle Berry (is it just me, or did she get worse), but also because, let's face it, good guys whining about stuff...it's just not that intresting. Especially not when it's three movies already that are "We have to have ethics and standards and all!"

I'm all for ethics--ethics are good. But bad guys are always much more intresting to watch.

That and I love the Brotherhood dynamic, or at least the idea behind it. It could be played so well.

[Rachel Grey]

The young redhead being Rachel? That would be awesome! And it brings Sinister's Summers DNA obsession into things.

I must be missing something, though...why would Rachel run away from Illyana?


SEAN

Because Yana's supossed to be a toddler she rapidly aged to teenhood because she was trapped in.... Limbo IIRC, in the movie we can just handwave that aside ad say it's because of her mutation. So, Rachel's expecting her to be a toddler and here she is a younge woman and it's like 'zOMG, I'm in the wrong timeline!! WYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! PH34R!!!!'

[Sean Whitmore]

X4 is all a flashback, and barely deals with the X-men at all. Instead, let it focus on early Xavier and Eric, their falling out, and the early Brotherhood days.


That's not X4, dude. That's McKellan's solo movie: I, Magneto. Hoo-hah!

Because Yana's supossed to be a toddler she rapidly aged to teenhood because she was trapped in.... Limbo IIRC, in the movie we can just handwave that aside ad say it's because of her mutation. So, Rachel's expecting her to be a toddler and here she is a younge woman and it's like 'zOMG, I'm in the wrong timeline!!


Ah, I getcha. I would be wary about introducing time travel into the movies, though. But I do love the idea of Rachel Grey, created and aged by Essex with stolen Summers/Grey genetic material.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

No, wait, I changed my mind:

Gambit doesn't steal anything from Essex. He is sent by Essex to infiltrate the school and steal genetic material from Jean's corpse.

Ahhh, that plot goes down smooth. :)


SEAN

[Rachel Grey]

Ooh! Good idea! He makes two children from the genetic material a boy and a girl. The girl he activate first, the boy he keeps on ice because one of his enemies, one Sebastian Shaw, has some ancient Egyptian artifact that could unleash (cue dramatic music) the Apocalypse!

[twilight]

X-Men 4:Sexin' it up!

Gambit,Longshot,Cannonball and Nightcrawler go on a hilarious roadtrip with plenty of wacky misadventures and hot tail.

[Sean Whitmore]

X-Men 4:Sexin' it up!

Gambit,Longshot,Cannonball and Nightcrawler go on a hilarious roadtrip with plenty of wacky misadventures and hot tail.


That lineup would never work. Gambit and Longshot would be making out the whole way, Nightcrawler would be praying for Jesus to smite them, leaving poor Cannonball to drive the car. And you know he can't fold no damn road map.


SEAN

[twilight]

That lineup would never work. Gambit and Longshot would be making out the whole way, Nightcrawler would be praying for Jesus to smite them, leaving poor Cannonball to drive the car. And you know he can't fold no damn road map.

Thus ensues the wacky hijinks.

You got the two ladies men(Remy and Longshot),the prude(Nightcrawler) and the college dude who hasn't gotten around to doing the deed yet(Sam).

It'll be awesome I tells ya!

[MakeshiftHero]

Thus ensues the wacky hijinks.

You got the two ladies men(Remy and Longshot),the prude(Nightcrawler) and the college dude who hasn't gotten around to doing the deed yet(Sam).

It'll be awesome I tells ya!
Oh yeah, staying up late ordering room service in hotels, jumping on the beds. Getting some nice mutant tail, Add in a couple "pie throwing" moments and some awesome fart and belching contests, and along the way they pick up a hitchhiking Sunfire and they help him ease into their "strange greetings and customs" and as for sponsors and product placement they play PS3 and go to I.H.O.P. for food, and they randomly wash their mazda 6. (with a zoom zoom zoom in on the logo...yes pun intended) As for the bad guys/challanges... prude versions of Marrow, Psylocke, Dazzler, Scarlet Witch led by Emma Frost. They are also on a road trip making frequent carioke stops along the way trying to escape the steriotypical man only to all be wooed before the movie's end. Also along the way to Cancun the guys and girls team up to fight Pyro and his band of brotherhood mutants: Blob, Avalanche, Madrox, Havok, Polaris, Toad, and Sabertooth. Once they get to Cancun they meet up with the ultimate party animal....Doop.

[Rachel Grey]

Thus ensues the wacky hijinks.

You got the two ladies men(Remy and Longshot),the prude(Nightcrawler) and the college dude who hasn't gotten around to doing the deed yet(Sam).

It'll be awesome I tells ya!

Nightcrawler? Prude? Boggles.

[Ontir]

Fade up:

Interior - a war torn city - the Danger Room

Class is in session. Iceman, Sprite, Collosus, Psylocke and Storm vs. Wolverine, the kids are out-matched.

Iceman moves in for what he intends to be a kill-stroke, but Wolverine back-flips, springs off a downed bill-board, and launches himself at Bobby's ice-slide. Two slashes, and the bridges collapses, sending Bobby falling to the floor.

Wolverine turns. He's got Kitty's scent, but it's too late. Storm has dropped her right on top of him, and at that velocity, even with his healing factor - it hurts! He tries to adjust himself to land, but no use. Kitty is half-way through him, just solid enough to turn him head first, then continue safely through the floor.

He doesn't hit the floor. His fall is instead broken by a person. In the haze of the burining city, he can't see much, but he knows one thing: this scent is new.

WOLVERINE
"Who's the..."

A bolt of seething energy takes him full force, and pounds him through the exterior wall of the Danger Room. The Damage shorts the program, and the hologram fades The remaining X-Men stand in a circle around the unfamiliar figure with white hot hands, stiil smoking.

BISHOP
"I'm one of you. From the future."
(beat)
"That little bastard's a traitor!"

Bishop has been sent back in time to prevent a betrayal that cost not only the X-Men, but mutants everywhere - dearly. No clear record exists to tell exactly who betrayed the X-Men, but historians are fairly certain it was Wolverine.

Except of course, that it wasn't! It's the eve of the Sentinel's "go-live." There was one chance to stop it cold, to prevent the horrors of the future, but when Bishop comes to the key moment, he discovers that the only way to achieve his goal, comes at a cost higher than that of letting the Sentinels go on-line.

With the school no longer safe, the X-Men begin evacuating the school to Muir Isle, as well as setting up a new Underground Railroad for other mutants. The X-Men again find themselves in combat with three Sentinels, trying to block the new X-Jet's lift-off of the last students. The only way, Storm sees, is for her to call up a hurricane and take it right to the Sentinels - a move she can't survive. Bishop fires on the Sentinels, as Kitty de-stabilizes them one at a time, Bobby freezes the plastic skin, and after hurling Wolverine at a Sentinel head, he pounds the circuitry. It's not enough. Storm is minutes away from enough force to take out one, let alone all three. She gives it everything she's got, multiple lightning strikes - still not enough. She's prepared to die.

2 B CONTINUED...

[Ontir]

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A blast of power - almost as great as the Phoenix - that she's not seen in years blows two of the Sentinels apart. Storm and the others re-direct their efforts and eliminate the one remaining. By the time Ororo lands, she can see the source of the blast, and recognize their deus ex machina: Alec Summers, Scott's brother - Havoc.

STORM
"Alec, we've been trying to contact you for months, Scott..."

HAVOC
"There's no time for that! You have to help me!"
(Beat)
"He's built another device, like the one on Liberty Island!"
(Beat)
Magneto, he's got Lorna!

Looks of shock and concern all around. Bishop shakes his head.

BISHOP
"Every bit of it, just like the history books!"

FADE TO BLACK

[CPT Space Bomb]

I think that if there was an X-4, it would deal with how Nathaniel Essex came to become Mr. Sinister. He would already be Mr. Sinister, they could have flashbacks to how Apocalypse made him powerful and immortal. They could focus the plot on how the new group of X-men were starting to get along greatly (Kitty, Bobby, Colossus,) and how the vets (Wolverine, Storm, Beast) were enjoying their mutant freedom..........Until Sinister unleashes a new breed of genetically tampered mutant monsters unto the world, and they begin causing fear and chaos again. The government overreacts as usual, and the hate that had been temporarily quelled is again re-kindled. Anti-mutant hate is spread everywhere, and The X-men are forced to face off against Sinister (who all along was tampering with the body of Scott Summers, who he'd found at Alkalai lake). Possible Intros by Gambit and maybe Bishop would be cool. And the final battle would lead to Sinister getting beat, but as he falls and vows he will be back to haunt the X-men, His MASTER Apocalypse Arrives, infuriated that his "Strongest Horseman" failed. This would all lead into X-5, the Actual final X-men movie. Oh, and at the end of the movie, some wierdo wonders into the X-mansion and says that he is Prof. X.........

[Titan76]

(Julia Styles) Emma Frost, whom the students quickly learn, lives up to her name, and as a telepath, impossible to fool.
NO!! Jamie Presley is the only woman who can play Emma Frost. She was born to play that role.
http:///www.trevisthomas.com/thumbnailer/online/%5BJamie%Presley%5D%20jamie_presley57.jpg

As for X4, I say have being in the Sentials, Polairs, Havok, Nightcrawler, Jean(being her back), Storm, Wolverine, Kitty, Colossus, Beast, Iceman, and Psylocke. Have the X-men go up against the Sentials in some way.

[bushboy]

I wanted this for X2 and X3: Apocalypse

His Horsemen would be the ones we've just seen. Gambit(Death), Polaris(Pestilence), Sunfire(Famine), and the only new one, Gazer(War).

Other new characters: Sinister(preferably the Ultimate version), Havok, Deadpool, Bishop, and Dazzler.

[larroca fan]

I can't believe what i just read at empire. An interview with halle and hugh. Halle was talking about storm mainly, and the spin off's, halle said she's not ready to go and hopes for another movie, she's not done yet, last x-men movie she said she was not coming back, but now that x-3 was fun for her she'll be signing those papers for x-4. i think halle needs to read more x-men and storm comics, instead of just wanting to do the stunts. i give The actress who plays jean(famke) credit, she made jean/phoenix real for me and brang out the true jean grey. hope she's back for x-4, kitty (ellen page) was the perfect match-she looks just like kitty and acts like her- wonder if her a col get together. come on x-men 4. i deal cast-hugh(logan)-halle-(storm) just coz she looks good-anna (rogue) nice accent-ellen page(kitty) just like her- colouss-(who is that dude who plays him?)- mystique( that model) she's amazing-jean grey (famke)- i think they need a different actor for iceman-someone funny like bobby is in the comics. patty (xavier) and sir ian (magneto)- i dont thin that cure was permanent.

[CPT Space Bomb]

I can't believe what i just read at empire.
Nor Can I ! I was reading at the possible casting and characters that could possibly be in X-4, and I saw something Horrible..........

Arnold Scharzenegger as Apocalypse !?!?! Who the bleep thought that up!!
MAYBE, like ten years ago. MAYBE........but even then no.

TRIPLE H as Omega Red !?!?! WHAT !!?! Haven't we learned by now that wrestlers are HORRENDOUS ACTORS!?

Quite a few other bad choices, but man, ^^^^^ These are the worst ideas ever!

[Zombienorthstar]

I think the mvoeis shoudl steer clear of time travel to be honest.

so id say NO to Bishop unless there was some serious change to hsi origin.

[steve2275]

Haven't we learned by now that wrestlers are HORRENDOUS ACTORS!?
i think theyre sum of the best action actors there is

[Montopolis]

Dude, its not like its Shakespeare, he'll end up playing a rooskie, how hard could The Game screw up saying "Das Vidanya, comrade" And "Vodka!!!" its just some action movie.

[Montopolis]

Damn I screwed up!!

[Zombienorthstar]

The Rock isnt bad...and i think he coudl pull off Apocalypse as he has a sort of Egyptian look to him.

[shades of eternity]

let's do the unthinkable.

I want michael xavier in x4 :)

A depowered magneto dedicated to helping make sure that the next generation understands the need for vigillance, and he is slowly shown to be right.

[Montopolis]

The Rock isnt bad...and i think he coudl pull off Apocalypse as he has a sort of Egyptian look to him.
Nah, the Rock is too likable, Although he does have the look. His poor choises in movies have made him into a 6'5" teddy bear. As far as wrestlers go, Cain would be a great Apocalypse, although Im sure he's a horrible actor.

[Zombienorthstar]

I just think his jaw would really suit the Poccy make up.

[Affinity]

I disagree with the whole Apocalypse thing...the X-Men have just suffered a heavy loss, and the world is a better place for both Sapiens and Superiors.

I say that we have internal conflict in the next flick...like a traitor from within or something like that. That'd be the very basic thing, I can't think of anything else, lol.

[Montopolis]

I disagree with the whole Apocalypse thing...the X-Men have just suffered a heavy loss, and the world is a better place for both Sapiens and Superiors.

I say that we have internal conflict in the next flick...like a traitor from within or something like that. That'd be the very basic thing, I can't think of anything else, lol.
Ohh I see sort of like the movie "Clue"? some one gets knocked off in the mansion, its up to the rest to figure out who, was it Gambit in the Study with the candlestick. Tim Curry plays Wadsworth.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Heroes: Havok, Wolfsbane, Guido, Madrox, Polaris, and whoever else.

Villians: The Hellfire Club, and Sinister.

Story:

Nick Fury shows up at the Alaskan home of Alec Summers to inform him of a mutant attack on a SHEILD helicarrier over New York. The mutant in question is a Malice-controlled Polaris, who had been in SHEILD custady in an attempt to learn why her powers are going haywire. Fury says that they would have asked Xavier's help but that his team is 'busy' so they've come to Scott's little brother and because Polaris is his gf. Fury tells Alec to assemble a mutant team to find Polaris and whoever is using her. So X-factor is born.

With Madrox, Guido, Dazzler, Wolfsabne in tow Alec begins following a trail that takes him to the Hellfire Club where Gambit is erminding Shaw of a deal that is employer made with the Club. It all ends with basically the3 Mutant Massacre. Sinister is planning to elimate the Morlocks. Polaris' attack on the helicarrier was unintentional.


Yeah I know it's not the best idea but I think it would make a good basis for a new movie and open up more of the characters without having to shove them into another overcrowded movie.

[Sean Whitmore]

I disagree with the whole Apocalypse thing...the X-Men have just suffered a heavy loss, and the world is a better place for both Sapiens and Superiors.

I say that we have internal conflict in the next flick...like a traitor from within or something like that. That'd be the very basic thing, I can't think of anything else, lol.


Yeah, a quiet, more personal story would go down good after the blockbuster of X3.

Perhaps the newly introduced Mr. Trask is selling decomissioned anti-mutant technology (cure weapons, scanners, power dampeners) to the government of Genosha. Hank McCoy goes to Genosha to invesitgats claims of mutant slave labor, and Trask arranges for him to be captured.

Then in come the X-Men, to save the day, natch. Perhaps things end with a recovered Magneto arriving in Genosha, promising to lead the freed slaves to overthrow the government.


SEAN

[Montopolis]

I got it, Psylocke and Kitty are sitting reading a book, the doorbell rings, kitty answers, man at door says, "I m here to fix the cable". The rest writes itself.:rolleyes:

[DDM]

Jean Grey is reborn as Pink Elephant & become headmistress of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters; she paints the school pink (literally). Next Pink Elephant telekinetically changes her hair color from red to pink. Jean also starts wearing pink lipstick.

Meanwhile, at the Masschusettes Academy, Miss Emma Frost becomes aware of Pink Elephants existence. Frost wants Pink Elephant's power to become the Pink Queen of the Hellfire Club (red+white=pink). Frost buys out Xavier's school & makes Jean her co-headmistress. Jean agrees because she wants to spread pink love everywhere. Next, she intends to make the Hellfire Club from a S&M fetish club into the...THE PINK BUNNY ROOM!

Pink Elephant wants to remake the universe in her own image until she is stopped by the wacky bird people, the Shi'ar.

[Ontir]

Arnold Scharzenegger as Apocalypse !?!?! Who the bleep thought that up!!

Aw, c'mon! He's got so much practice for the part, as "the Gubernator." God willing, he'll have time in his schedule, come September!:rolleyes:

Given Avi Arad's views on the X-Men's more cosmic tales - like Phoenix - I doubt we'll see something as grand as an Apocalypse story. Mr. Sinister (whom I personally find rather boring) seems a more likely candidate.

I'd like to see more Sentinals, and Proteus. Maybe Count Nefaria and what were they called? His Ani-men?

DDM: I dont' know what you're taking, but you've had too much! 8 ^>

If they DO bring Jean back, I'd like to see the girl who played her in the flashback just show up at school, with no memory beyond coming to "Xavier's."

[Affinity]

Jean Grey is reborn as Pink Elephant & become headmistress of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters; she paints the school pink (literally). Next Pink Elephant telekinetically changes her hair color from red to pink. Jean also starts wearing pink lipstick.

Meanwhile, at the Masschusettes Academy, Miss Emma Frost becomes aware of Pink Elephants existence. Frost wants Pink Elephant's power to become the Pink Queen of the Hellfire Club (red+white=pink). Frost buys out Xavier's school & makes Jean her co-headmistress. Jean agrees because she wants to spread pink love everywhere. Next, she intends to make the Hellfire Club from a S&M fetish club into the...THE PINK BUNNY ROOM!

Pink Elephant wants to remake the universe in her own image until she is stopped by the wacky bird people, the Shi'ar.

...what? :confused:

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Jean Grey is reborn as Pink Elephant & become headmistress of Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters; she paints the school pink (literally). Next Pink Elephant telekinetically changes her hair color from red to pink. Jean also starts wearing pink lipstick.

Meanwhile, at the Masschusettes Academy, Miss Emma Frost becomes aware of Pink Elephants existence. Frost wants Pink Elephant's power to become the Pink Queen of the Hellfire Club (red+white=pink). Frost buys out Xavier's school & makes Jean her co-headmistress. Jean agrees because she wants to spread pink love everywhere. Next, she intends to make the Hellfire Club from a S&M fetish club into the...THE PINK BUNNY ROOM!

Pink Elephant wants to remake the universe in her own image until she is stopped by the wacky bird people, the Shi'ar.


Puff, puff, give, man. You messing up the rotation!

That is fubnny as hell though.


Wait....if she goes that pink...won't that just make her plain ole Dazzler?

[DDM]

Puff, puff, give, man. You messing up the rotation!

That is fubnny as hell though.


Wait....if she goes that pink...won't that just make her plain ole Dazzler?

No, Pink Elephant's costume is similar to the White Phoenix costume, but instead of gold it's pink. The Phoenix symbol is replaced by a Hello Kitty-like Pink Elephant. Jean Grey's mantra is to spread her true love pink fire into the cosmic stratosphere & extinquish all evil everywhere. She can manifest Pink Elephants in different degrees still using her telepathy & telekinesis....

Imagine a tripping 1960's hippy with the cosmic powers of love & peace.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

No, Pink Elephant's costume is similar to the White Phoenix costume, but instead of gold it's pink. The Phoenix symbol is replaced by a Hello Kitty-like Pink Elephant. Jean Grey's mantra is to spread her true love pink fire into the cosmic stratosphere & extinquish all evil everywhere. She can manifest Pink Elephants in different degrees still using her telepathy & telekinesis....

Imagine a tripping 1960's hippy with the cosmic powers of love & peace.


And all set to the Rocky Horror Picture Show soundtrack. Pink Bunny Jean doing a redition of I'm Just a Sweet Transvestite......

[DDM]

And all set to the Rocky Horror Picture Show soundtrack. Pink Bunny Jean doing a redition of I'm Just a Sweet Transvestite......

No, I would compare the cosmic awe of Pink Elephant to Rocky Horror--unless you find yourself in THE PINK BUNNY ROOM!

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

No, I would compare the cosmic awe of Pink Elephant to Rocky Horror--unless you find yourself in THE PINK BUNNY ROOM!



Whooooops..Pink Elephant not Pink Bunny.....

[Zombienorthstar]

Okay, ive had alot of ideas from others...and heres my film.

New Characters:
Emma Frost, http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/touchstone_pictures/the_village/judy_greer/villagepre8.jpg
Havok, http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/house_of_wax/chad_michael_murray/waxpreg.jpg
Polaris, http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/D20060426/1983_328040718_13_H225230_L.jpg
Marrow,http://www.trucalling.it/images/eliza-dushku-12.jpg
Magick
Background characters: Chamber, SKids, Rusty, Caliban, etc.
X:4
We get one of those special effects laden beginnings as with the previous films. But this time its Angel talking about freedom...and the power that lies within all of us.

We see Senator Trask hes holding a meeting of his board, with many mutants still refusing the cure and even more worrying reports that the cure is only temporary Trask wants to discuss what can be done. Someone asks why Hank McCoy isnt there. He says because McCoy is part of the problem they are here to discuss...they are here to deal with the mutant problem...permanently. He asks for suggestions. We hear a voice
'I have some ideas.' Trask looks through some notes...'what do you propose Dr...Essex'

Meanwhile at the school we see Emma Frost giving an history lesson and discussing the Holocaust. She talks about how the Jewish people were made scapegoats for the economic and social problems of the country. She says that by the time the Jews were killed in the Holocaust the entire nation had been indoctrinated to fear them. Kitty pipes up much to emmas chargrin saying that she finds it hard to believe that an entire nation could accept something like that (her star of david would be prominent here). Emma says dryly that Kitty would be surprised what men would do with the right motivation. There is a seething moment between the two. The class dismisses and Logan shows up complimenting Frost on her standing her ground...there is casual flirting between the two...

Kitty is in the quad with Colossus they are very coupley now. They are tlaking to Magick...Colossus little sister...before she telports away. Kitty asks what he plans do when they graduate at th end of the year. Peter says he doesnt know whether he should return to his mother and father or stay for his younger sister. He asks her back and she gets quite offended that he forgets about Harvard...she storms off telling him that she wants to be part of the world.


Its nightime in New York and we see Rogue...shes obviosuly much worse off that when he last saw her. A red headed Marrow appears behind her. Asking her theyre immortal question of 'where you running to' shes says shes looking for a community of mutants theyre supposed to take outcasts people who dont fit in anywhere else. He tells her that she fit in just fine at Xaviers. She says that once she took the cure no one there respected her and she didnt belong. And once her powers he knows what happened. She says he wouldnt understand what it is like not to belong. Marrow says shed be surprised. Rogue walks off but Marrow jumps and pushes her out of the way of a crushing Sentinel foot. Marrow goes all boney and tries to take the thing on. Rogue degloves. Absorbs Marrow and out jut bone claws. They fight the sentinel but cant win. Until some people intervene, namely Caliban, Skids, and Chamber...just some of the Morlocks Rogue was looking for. Marrrow says dryly to her 'Welcome to the war.'

We see Emma Frost Logan and Storm in Cerebro, Storm tells Frost to look harder. Frost snaps and takes off her helmet saying she cant find Magneto...hes not a mutant anymore. Storm says what with Rogue and sightings of Mystique who knows how long it is before he returns. Emma asks if that would be such a bad thing...without Xavier the mutants of the world havent got a leader. Storm asks whether shes questioning her leadership. Theyre interrupted by Angel who says theres someone to see them upstairs...its Havok and his girlfriend Polaris...he wants to know what the hell happened to his brother.

Back to Rogue and the Morlocks. Marrow is giving them the tour explaining what the Morlocks are (we see dozens and dozens of mutants here- an oppurutnity for some cameos) she says that recently they have been having people go missing from the tunnels. Rogue asks if they might just have left Marrow asks him where would they be able to go? She thinks the governments been taking them and using them in experiments. Rogue asks why...Chamber chimes in- to make the sentinels.

Things are heated between Havok and Storm as they argue about Scotts death and why he wasnt contacted. They fight. Angel tries to interven but is blasted clear by Havok. Collossus tries to knock out Havok but is stopped by Polaris using her powers. Before Kitty phases her out the wall. Emma Frost stops them all with her mind. We turn around is there Rogue and the Morlocks they tell everyone that things just got worse.

Rogue gives Logan the 411 on the Morlocks and explains that they needed to come here. She says about whats brewing.

We get Polaris bonding with Angel regarding flight. A little bit of trademark Havok jealousy.

We get a tender moment between Kitty and Rogue as they talk about Bobby. It is only now that it becomes apparent that hen Rogues powers returned..she put Bobby in to a coma. We now see they are in a medlab over Bobby's body. Rogue tells Kitty how she hates being a mutant. Kitty tells her that no amtter what you are people will find a reason to hate you. The best you can do is to try and find happiness in yourself.

Beast turns up...He explains that hes been fired...unofficially of course but its happened. He says there are whsipers and he describes basically Marrows theory that there are mutants being tested for the sentinels. Polaris says it is true...she was being experimented on before she met Alex...she thinks she can find her way back. Storm says for some of them to suit up. She asks Hank to stay with the kids.

We get a discussion as Havok suits up between him and Wolverine he says how much he hates being back in his X-suit..They basically have the same conversation that happens between Cyke and Chamber in Chamber #1 about how Havok felt the school made him a better soldier not a better person. He thinks Xaviers school jsut gets people killed. Logan reminds him that theres alot of kids alive here who wouldnt have been otherwise. Havok says here to help Lorna...not to be an X-Man. 'I'm not Scott.' he says Wolverine replies 'Im getting that.'

We see the entire suited up X-squad now(Frost Storm Polaris Havok and Wolverine)...Emma of course is in white leather...they are in the X-Jet approaching the factory. Emma asks Polaris if they are close. Storm thinks theyre pretty close...two sentinels are chasing the jet. Polaris and Storm exit the plane and take on the robots in a giant aerial battle. They dont seem to be making much damage until Logan jumps out of the plane and rips one the sentiels a new one before being caught by his adamantium by Lorna. They break into the complex and find that all 50 sentinels have all been released and are converging on one place...the most concentrated gathering of mutants. the mansion.

We see Kitty, Angel, Rogue and Colossus helping the Morlocks to food blankets etc. Beast is looking through Professor Xs study he looks at the photograph og Xavier Magento and young Jean. There are thundering sounds. They run outside and see wave upon wave of sentinels. Theres a mammoth battle between them in which we see little Magick use her powers, several of the morlocks like Chamber use his, Dozens of kids are hurt or killed...(they can be mostly be the morlocks and older students...so as not to have child death in a film) We see Angel lose his wings and we see Magick killed. Colossus witnessing it all.
The X-Jet arrives they join the battle. It all seems lost until Magneto weighs in! Demolishing robots. He has returned. They finally take out the sentinels with his help.

Epilogue time: At the funeral of Ilyanna and the other students we see Kitty and Colossus tlaking. He says he knows what he needs to do now. Hes leaving with Magneto. Kitty asks him why and he tells her that if people are always going to hate him...then he will hate them back just as much. We see Alex and Wolverine discussing Alex tells him he understands now why Scott did it...it wasnt about wanting to be a soldier...it was about having to be....he tells Wolverine hes staying.

Epilogue to the Epilogue...in a swanky hospital room we see Warren deeply in depression. A deep voice from the darkness asks if he can help warren. Warren asks if he can make him fly again. We see the lips of Apcalypse smile.

[froma]

My first choice would be Sentinels. It seems like a good follow up after X2 and 3. I'd want it to be a non-government sponsored program that springs up after Magneto's attack. Perhaps have them be the same group of people that helped create the "cure" in the first place. Make the group affiliated with Weapon X in some way or another and you've got a good movie that gives Wolverine more time to shine and adds more depth to the movie-verse.

I don't think the movies are ready for Apocalypse, but Sinister could work. It would also be a good way to bring Cyclops back into the movies. When Jean did whatever she did to Scott, Sinister found him, mended his wounds and brainwashed him. The catch is that he escaped from Mister Sinister and is now on the run and suffering from amnesia. The movie would have the X-Men racing against Sinister and his Marauders to find Cyclops. The only notable newcomer to the movies would be Havok, who is helping search for his brother. In the end, the X-Men would find him and, as he regains his memory, he tells them that Sinister has Jean. That'd be a damned good cliffhanger for X5. :D

I think I actually like the second idea better, but I'd say that the general audience would be more into the first one.

[tjarvis]

Basic Thoughts

-- Mr. Sinister should definitely play the heavy. A genetisist, he has found a way to reverse the cure. This in itself wouldn't be so bad, except that he also has a backup plan put into effect to wipe out all of humanity which doesn't have the X-Gene, since they are now an evolutionary dead end. For him, it's not evil, just practical science.

-- Sinister has a band of bodyguards, the Mauraders. They are led by Gambit. Although things are not so easy between Gambit and Sinister, this could lead to a kick ass Gamibt vs. Wolverine fight.

-- The first time the Mauraders meet the X-Men, they absolutely take them apart, as if they knew all the X-Men's moves. They do. Scott Summers is alive, and has been brainwashed into serving Sinister. We never saw his body, nor did we actually see Jean kill him. It's easy to guess that the Jean Grey part of her personality couldn't kill the one person she loved more than anybody else, and merely placed him a coma. One that Sinister awakened him from.

-- The X-Team this time out should include Wolverine, Storm, Big C, Kitty, Iceman, and Angel. Also introduce a new stuck up bitchy student by the name of Emma Frost, who is an incrediably gifted telepath.

-- Bring in Magneto as someone who has regained partial use of his abilities, but is nowhere near his full potential. He's desperate to regain his full power, and Sinister holds the answer for him.

Only a loose outline. The franchise really needs to stay away from time travel and space stories, as well as flooding the screen with new characters since the biggest problem with this movie was that most of the new mutants received very little characterization beyond what their powers were. Work on fleshing out the cast you already with one or two insertions as opposed to bringing in a bunch of second stringers.

[Sean Whitmore]

Sentinels on the screen may be a comic fan's dream come true, but does anyone else think that giant robots might be a bit too jarring from the relatively low-key nature of the first three movies? (one group of people versus another group of people)

I guess I'm of the opinion that movies should have just the one fantasy element, and everything should stem naturally from that. Bringing in giant robots, to me, is a step away from bringing in the Brood.


SEAN

[atoningunifex]

There's no reason that the Sentinels have to be giant robots. They can be human sized robots.

I think that the producers would steer clear of that (and the Days of Future Past story) because of the inevitable Terminator comparisons.

And yes, I know Days of Future Past appeared before the Terminator movies.

[froma]

There's no reason that the Sentinels have to be giant robots. They can be human sized robots.
Good point. An OZT-esque story would be a neat adaptation for the fourth film.

[Sean Whitmore]

There's no reason that the Sentinels have to be giant robots. They can be human sized robots.


Yeah, the old school 10-foot tall Sentinels would go down a little easier. We're still talking pretty advanced technology for a place that's supposed to be "our" world, though.

Now, if Forge or someone were the one who created the Sentinels...that I could get behind.


SEAN

[atoningunifex]

Yeah, the old school 10-foot tall Sentinels would go down a little easier. We're still talking pretty advanced technology for a place that's supposed to be "our" world, though.

Now, if Forge or someone were the one who created the Sentinels...that I could get behind.


My personal idea for X4 would have Sebastian Shaw and Emma Frost fronting a corporation in charge of creating the Sentinels in order to control mutants for personal, financial and political gain. Forge would be the designer with Sage (a mole for Hank) as Forge's assistant.

No Hellfire Club, tho. That would just look like a Victoria's Secret runway show.

[Sean Whitmore]

The names "Hellfire Club" and "Mister Sinister" have to go, though. Nobody's gonna take them seriously.

"Apocalypse" works because he's quite obviously insane.


SEAN

[froma]

Drop the "Mister" and I think he'd make a fine movie villain.

[Sean Whitmore]

Drop the "Mister" and I think he'd make a fine movie villain.


Drop the mister, and you're left with a guy who's named after a synonym for "evil". :) He'd be better off sticking with Essex.


SEAN

[froma]

But that's his slave name! :rolleyes:

[tangentman]

Core team--Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Kitty, Havok, Polaris, Angel.
New additions--Havok, Polaris, Dazzler, Jubilee, Betsy Braddock, Gambit/Longshot.
Secondary appearances--Iceman, Rogue, Beast.
Cameos--the core Gen X kids, Val Cooper, Magma, Wolfsbane, Dani Moonstar, Cannonball, Sunspot.


First, bring in Havok and Polaris as suggested. They're graduate students shacking up on the West Coast who hurry back to school when they receive belated news of Scott and Jean's deaths. As in the comics, they're reluctant heroes in the movie. Alex wants to learn the truth about his brother's death; Lorna is there for moral support and nostalgia. They're lured into active duty when Ororo, Logan, and Peter are attacked by the Knights of Hellfire while escorting Kitty home on a visit to her parents.

Bring the Hellfire Club into X4--they'll use the formal titles from the comics, although the period piece fetish gear will be strictly limited to ceremonial meetings (say, Magneto becoming the White King?). Otherwise, we see the HC in designer business suits. Sebastian Shaw regards mutants as valubale commodoties, not peers of a community. Harry Leland is the Club's lawyer who keeps them on legally sound footing. Emma Frost actually takes a genuine interest in the young mutants at her academy, but her personal ambition makes her a morally ambiguous character. Donald Pierce is the cyborg bigot who secretly loathes his low position in the Club and the requisite toadying to Shaw. Tessa is a mysterious aide to Shaw, but the "double-agent" story remains intact. However, only the audience will know the truth--as far as the characters are concerned, Tessa is loyal to Hellfire.

The conflict of this story will be more insidious than the first two films. After all, the X-Men aren't dealing with an extinction agenda or a public controversy. They're fighting an enemy who hide behind money and legal loopholes. Of course, there will be Emma vying with Storm for new recruits--Paige, Monet, Jonothon, and Skin in cameos. Kitty remembers Emma all too well and the old hatred comes out once more. Jubilee will also be one of those tempted by Emma's offer--she struggles with leftover baggage from Stryker's attack and the deaths of 3 teachers. She gets a bigger role and steps up by the end of the film.

Dazzler appears as a singer on the rise who had a fling with Jason Wyngarde, played by Stuart Townsend. Alison happens to overhear sensitive information that could embarrass the Inner Circle one night at the Manhattan branch and isn't as successful in sneaking away as she assumes. Frost wants to mind-wipe Ali, Shaw is willing to kill her. Cue Gambit or maybe even Longshot as a member of the audience in the club where Ali performs. The two meet up with Havok, Polaris, and Nightcrawler, who were already out to recruit Ali.

The rest of the movie involves the Club making shadow strikes against the X-Men--attempting to buy out Worthington Industries, using the media to bring up prickly questions about Xavier's school, counter-recruitments of new students, kidnappings, etc. Rather than play up Dark Phoenix, the HC could bring out the "Malice" in Lorna. The showdown plays in a similar way to the final battle w/the Club in the Dark Phoenix Saga.
Exception: Emma meets her telepathic match in Betsy, instead of Jean. Heavy Betsy flirtations ensue--if questions arise about the purple-haired gal in X3, say it was Kwannon stealing Betsy's credentials. :)

[xakko]

Drop the mister, and you're left with a guy who's named after a synonym for "evil". :) He'd be better off sticking with Essex.


SEAN
i thought it was a synonym for left-handed?

and the Hellfire Club is a real entity, isn't it?

[Sean Whitmore]

i thought it was a synonym for left-handed?


Fair enough, but it remains a laugh-inducing name.


and the Hellfire Club is a real entity, isn't it?


Really? You mean like an actual club?


SEAN

[xakko]

Fair enough, but it remains a laugh-inducing name.[quote]
"Essex" would probably suffix. or Dr. Essex.

[quote]Really? You mean like an actual club?

SEAN
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hellfire_Club

Claremont stole it from an episode of the Avengers

[Volk1]

Empire has an article about possible plots characters that could be in X4 if anyone is interested.

http://www.empireonline.com/

Ok, I don't know about any of you but I, in no way in hell, would want to see Arnold Shwarzenegger in a X-movie! :mad: Not as Apocalypse or anybody else! :eek:

Others:
*no to Rachel McAdams as Polaris. Am I the only one that sees Polaris as more Eastern-Euro looking rather than Anglo-Saxon-ish?

*Hell No to Ashlee Simpson as Dazzler. You gotta be freakin' kidding me!:o
Ashlee and Arnold would make X-4 the worst movie of all time. *yeesh*

*Ryan Phillipe is cool but as Havoc? Naw, I'd rather see Paul Walker (who they had for Longshot) as Alex Summers....

*Jimmy Smits is a solid choice for Forge...

*LOL Triple H as Omega Red? I guess.....*shrugs*

*Josh Holloway is perfect for Gambit in every way. Why couldn't there be a glimpse of him in X-3?!

*Karl Urban as a younger Cable I'd buy, but I'd rather Cable just not show up at all...

* Nicole Kidman as Emma.....it works but Kidman is so zzzzzzz to me.....

* Lance Henrickson....hmmmm...for sure he could pull of the "evilness" and charisma of Mr. Sinister but he just doesn't "look" like him to me. But I guess with makeup anybody can be anybody or anything....

*Finally, I don't know who that dude is for Chamber, but the only Chamber I want to see is Jonathan Rhys Myers.:cool:

[Ontir]

Zombienorthstar, I'm honoured that you'd use my quote.

In terms of Emma, I still have to vote for Julia Styles, because anyone else listed, or for whom a picture has been posted, just doesn't have that overly WASPish, intensely officious, "I'm so much better than any of you" look that Styles generally projects, sometimes I think accidentally. I can think of many actresses who could do the part, but I can't think of anyone who IS the part!

Oh, and Chad Michael Murray?!? I can't stomach that guy, or his show! The woman you had posted below for Marrow or Magick looks interesting though, who is she?

[bushboy]

Okay, I've heard who can't play Apocalypse, but who can? Anyone else think that the one-panel appearence costume from Ultimate X-Men would work for the movie?

[ReaderX]

I'd introduce Sublime into the movies. Sublime advertises in big 1 hour infomercials and writes a book on how you too can be empowered. Xavier immediately sends a crack team to spy on Sublime to divulge his true intentions, as for some unknown reason, Xavier cannot read Sublime's thoughts. This team would consist of Storm, Kitty, Wolvy, and introducing, Sage! Storm and Kitty gather data, Wolverine's the muscle, disgusted by Sublime's methods, and Sage puts the pieces together. Somewhere about halfway through the movie, the U-men attack the institute. Xavier is away on business at a teleconference about the Sublime solution, with Scott and Piotr as his bodyguards. This leaves Jean and the kids to defend the mansion, big fanboy moment when Jean stops the razors in midair after the U-men open fire. Not sure if the story should take the Parasite Eve route with the evil mitochondria or not, but I'd put a big fight at the end with Sublime's supposed death, only for him to come back in the last 5 seconds, or possibly as an easter egg after end credits have rolled.

[ShinySteelBrit]

I don't reall think that there should be an X4 because I think if there is Cyclops and Professor X should both be in it and I don't think they can both be brought back in a "realistic" way for the audience to accept.

However... :p if it was going to happen I'd go for a Mr. Sinister/Morlock esque story.

X-Men: Wolverine, Storm, Colossus, Iceman, Kitty and Angel.
New Characters: Sinister, Gambit and Marrow.
Brought Back: Xavier, Cyclops and Jean.

The movie kicks off with the morlocks being attacked and putting up as a best a fight as they can, they are of course beaten by a team of Gambit-led threats (not too bothered about what exactly)and have to flee going to the mansion and informing the X-Men that someone is trying to eliminate weaker mutants. Storm and Logan visit the still "apparently" human Magneto (biding his time for X-5 or some thing) and ask if he has any idea who it might be, he reveals it sounds like the work of a Nathaniel Essex he once knew (I'd probably make Sinister a mutant to save time) who adopted a survival of the fittest mentality and was determined to eliminate the weakest mutants so that only strong mutants would be born and thus eventually overcome humanity. How he is finding these mutants however is anyones guess.

Sinister has Xavier and is using him to find the weak mutants etc. and has grown a new body for Xavier (welcome back Mr. Stewart) to infiltrate the X-Men again and continue his extermination. The X-Men find Sinister and discover Professor X before he can be used for evil but in their attempts to rescue Xavier, Gambit and his team attack and we have a bit of a face off. The X-Men are winning until a brain washed/amnesiac Cyclops attacks and catches them totally off guard before our baddies make their escape. I would use this as an oppurtunity to have Scott totally own the X-Men generally but more specifically Wolverine.

The X-Men regroup with the knowledge that both Professor X and Cyclops are alive and well but not on the right side. Of course they try to devise a plan to defeat Sinister some how but before they can Sinister and company launch another attack and so the X-Men are called into action, this would be the big fight with Gambit and crew being defeated though with a heavy loss on Angel (:p ) before more Wolverine vs. Scott, Wolverine isn't dead but in pretty bad shape when Jean returns this time in complete control and so good and breaks through to Scott thus bringing him back to the light side. Scott reports back to Sinister who is preparing to make his last move, dealing with the remaining weak mutants a la X-2 (cue scenes of weak mutants feeling the effects and an excuse for a couple of fanboy cameos) via Xavier. Of course Scott is good now and slams an off guard Sinister before the X-Men stand united again as Sinister flees with a couple of vials (DNA anyone?). They rescue the Professor etc. etc.

As the movie finishes I'd establish a new team on Muir Island with Gambit, Havoc, Polaris, Marrow and maybe Chamber and have Jean alive but leave Scott for universe fixing duties with a promise to return (Jean is inevitably too powerful as Phoenix so can't really be used too much). So the movie closes with the Professor back with two mutant teams Winchester and Muir Island.
Winchester: Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Iceman, Kitty and Colossus.
Muir Island: Havoc, Polaris, Gambit, Marrow and Chamber.

Throw in some decent character building throughout the film and maybe hint at Havoc et al for the film but only bring them in at the end so they don't hurt any of the other characters. X-5 is set up nicely with enough mutants about to give Apocalypse a run for his money. Angel can be Death seeing as he gets sidelined in this one in battle and Sinister has the DNA of Scott to start toying with the idea of Nathan if necessary. Though X-5 would definitely have to be the last movie.

What do you guys think? Could it work? It needs a lot more character work between my basic set pieces but I think it could be pulled off.

[Ontir]

Okay, I've heard who can't play Apocalypse, but who can? Anyone else think that the one-panel appearence costume from Ultimate X-Men would work for the movie?

This is a character who should be competely CGI! Maybe make it a mystery as to who does his voice, so when we see him outside his armour (it IS armour, isn't it?) we can be surprised by who he (the actor) really is. That's if you MUST use Apocalypse - who was far more interesting when he was tryign to get his ship to behave!

[Zombienorthstar]

This is a character who should be competely CGI! Maybe make it a mystery as to who does his voice, so when we see him outside his armour (it IS armour, isn't it?) we can be surprised by who he (the actor) really is. That's if you MUST use Apocalypse - who was far more interesting when he was tryign to get his ship to behave!


I thought the Rock with the help of voice manipulation.

[PrimalScream]

x4 pitch:- the school is now being run by wolverine,storm and beast. after the graves of scott summer and pr.X have been unearthed havoc turns up demanding to know the truth about his brother. angel,kitty,peter and ice man are the heads of the training groups. magneto is a shadow of his former self staying in a bedsit when a dark force known as mr.sinister or rather essex offers him a chance to regain his mutancy by joing with the first alpha mutant known as apocalypse who is so powerful that he can even resurrect the dead. maneto agrees and travels to ancient egypt where he meets the apocalypse and his horsemen-scott,proffesor X and caliban. he knows that this is unholy and against everything he would stand for and manges to escape with barely his life intact. he heads to the mansion to warn his once enemies as apocalypse and his horsemen put their plan into action to gain control of america and then the world. the xmen along with an injured magneto go to battle them. the battle does not go well and angel is captured along with magneto. angel is transformed into the forth horseman and magneto is given his powers back with extra. apocalypse plans to put magneto's powers to use by combining them with his own and changing the magnetic poles around the earth thus killing all the humans if successful. the xmen haed off into battle having to take some new recruits along as well. wolverine's skeleton is ripped out by magneto controlled by apoc. wolverine verges near death and is met by a spiritual jean grey on the astral plane who tells him to fight no matter what. beast beats caliban,havoc forces his brother from apoc's control,an injured wolverine and the students take down charles x who realises that only he can stop magneto and apocalypse now. storm beats archangel who is left changed. pro.x manages to shut down magneto's controlled mind but is unsuccessful when he tries the same with apocalypse forcing all the students to hit apoc with everything they have whic overloads his celestial tecnology and apparently kills him. sinister watches from the sidelines claiming he is now free to do his own work. the xmen regroup, angel flies off alone,havoc and scott are reunited and wolverine taken back to heal. scott and charles put magneto in a mental ward and discuss how their deaths were like. scott discovers that jean's grave is empty. flashes to sinisters lab where he plans to bring back jean,the other alpha mutant, to do his work.

new xmen are bishop with new origin,gambit,slipstream,emma frost altho younger,polaris,havoc and dust.

what do u think?

[Montopolis]

This is a character who should be competely CGI! Maybe make it a mystery as to who does his voice, so when we see him outside his armour (it IS armour, isn't it?) we can be surprised by who he (the actor) really is. That's if you MUST use Apocalypse - who was far more interesting when he was tryign to get his ship to behave!
No way!!! No more cartoons on movies, I hate that, thats the whole point of it being a movie, to be real, to have someone play him convincingly, not some crappy blue Shrek running around pretending to interact with people.

[(NO)]

My pitch for X4 is that Gambit should finally be in the movie.

[MakeshiftHero]

So far out of all the Sinister/Morlocks pitches I like 'em all. With that idea in mind i'd have Gambit leading Sinisters team (2nd in command after Gambit is none other than Deadpool!) to wipe out inferior mutants (morlocks) or to kidnap them to experiment on them, but Gambit is being blackmailed somehow. Toss in Marrow and Chamber to seek out help from the X school. And for new x-men chars. in training from Iceman and his team get cannonball (cause the x-men need a flyer big time plus he's just so bad ass), longshot, dazzler and wolfsbane (optional) I'd say leave Jean out of this cause the people that watch the movies that don't read the book would get tired of her being brought back to life and wouldn't like it. I'm not so sure about having Scott back either, but it would work if Sinister has been messing w/ his DNA or something and he "wakes him up" (cause he was put in a coma from Jean maybe) And at the end of the movie when all the problems are solved have Magneto acompanied by Madrox, Pyro and Juggernaught find Quicksilver, and Wanda telling them that he's their father (throughout the movie show scenes of wanda and pietro using their powers in everyday situations that would lead up to Mag finding them) and that would set up the 5th movie with a new brotherhood, and also show Trask mass producing Sentinels.
Also since there are a lot of cast members already I'd cut Angel and Rogue and say they're at home visiting or something, have storm in africa going back home as well (since she wouldnt be useful in the sewars and tunnels, or have her stay at the school and have her explain her clostrophobia and why she can't go on the mission) Beast would be doing gov't work so he might have a cameo, Wolverine would be there leading the team (iceman colossus kitty cannonball marrow chamber) to the final fight against gambit deadpool and their team, but have gambit help the x-men.

[ShinySteelBrit]

I think the real problem with more X-Movies is more X-Men in my pitch I tried to keep it down but its well hard because you want as many X-Men on screen as possible lol.
Dan

[fishtaco]

None of that would ever ever work.With Brett Ratner as the director, I'll have to agree:(

[Zombienorthstar]

With Brett Ratner as the director, I'll have to agree:(


Oooh burn on Ratner if only he had millions of dollars to make himself feel better.

Taco i feel alot of what you mentioned would not suit an X-movie...all that time travel mojoverse stuff is acceptable comci continuity it comes with the territory...but it does not translate to the modern semi-relaistic world of the films. The only way id like to see Mojo is in his Ultimate version.

[fishtaco]

Oooh burn on Ratner if only he had millions of dollars to make himself feel better.

Taco i feel alot of what you mentioned would not suit an X-movie...all that time travel mojoverse stuff is acceptable comci continuity it comes with the territory...but it does not translate to the modern semi-relaistic world of the films. The only way id like to see Mojo is in his Ultimate version.??

What did I say about Mojo? Mojo can definitely not work in an X-movie. I mentioned Genosha (unless my post was somehow edited). That can work.

[Zombienorthstar]

??

What did I say about Mojo? Mojo can definitely not work in an X-movie. I mentioned Genosha (unless my post was somehow edited). That can work.


You mentioned Longshot...forgive me you were right.

I still think alot of the time travel elements you mentioned are ridiculous.

[tetragene]

if the Hellfire Club were ever to be in the X-movies I want them to be portrayed as more of a manipulative, deceitful, selfish organization instead of the "omg so evil, they do dasterdly things" route. I want to see them blackmailing mutants with successful/powerful careers into joining them or to do their bidding so they don't have to dirty their own hands. That would have been a good opportunity to showcase mutants with careers outside of super heroics: Angel (CEO), Dazzler (singer/actress), Psylocke (model--who was completely wasted in X3...so lame), Beast (sceientist, government big wig), etc.

If relations between humans and mutans have improved following the 3rd movie I'd like to see them address how that relationship is affecting mutants who want normal lives/careers. We've pretty much only gotten a p.o.v from the mutant super-heroes or villains.

and as far as casting goes, my most ideal picks for characters would be:

Havok - Ryan Phillipe (he looks younger than James Marsden, whereas I feel Paul Walker looks too close in age...and comes off way too cocky in his roles, and I think Phillipe would look good together on-screen with McAdams)

Polaris - Rachel McAdams (I really like her as an actress and think she'd make a good Lorna)

Dazzler - Kylie Minogue (Jessica Simpson, Pink, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Hilary Duff, Ashlee Simpson, etc just don't fit the character--give Kylie extensive dialect lessons to pull off an American accent and you're set--she's got the look and the music style and is old enough to have had a believably long, successful career full of personal ups-and-downs)

Emma Frost - there are only two women (to me) past their 30s who have ever been able to pull off likable, sexual, bitches: Sharon Stone and Heather Locklear (I can't see Nicole Kidman and I especially can't see Judy Greer portraying her)

Longshot - can't we just pretend he doesn't exist in the movie-verse? :P

[Zombienorthstar]

Emma Frost - there are only two women (to me) past their 30s who have ever been able to pull off likable, sexual, bitches: Sharon Stone and Heather Locklear (I can't see Nicole Kidman and I especially can't see Judy Greer portraying her)




I feel this woman could also play Emma if Judy is not to your liking tetragene
http://www.scrubs-fr.net/v1/encyclo/personnages/images/11.jpg

[fishtaco]

You mentioned Longshot...forgive me you were right.

I still think alot of the time travel elements you mentioned are ridiculous.Oh. Well, it's not like he has to be from Mojoworld or anything. He can just be a mutant with luck and psychometry powers from Earth. In the movie, they managed to include Juggernaut by instead making him a mutant so they don't have to make things complicated with the Cytorak gem and such.

[Uncle Nobs]

No way!!! No more cartoons on movies, I hate that, thats the whole point of it being a movie, to be real, to have someone play him convincingly, not some crappy blue Shrek running around pretending to interact with people.
I agree. Just imagine Laurence Fishburne with grey make-up and blue prosthetics that look like they're part cybernetic, part organic veins.

http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/LaurenceAsOthello_13.jpg
http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/TheMatrix_05.jpg
http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/TheMatrixReloaded_04.jpg
http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/AssaultOnPrecinct13_3.jpg

And then just imagine some big, blobby, fake-ass "Hulk" running around onscreen. I'm not crazy about including Apocalypse in a movie at all. But if they did, Larry, makeup, & prosthetics would be the way to go.

[Uncle Nobs]

More A-poc lookalike shots:

http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/TheMatrixReloaded_01.jpg
http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/TheMatrixReloaded_03.jpg
http://www.laurence-fishburne.com/images/gallery/TheMatrixRevolutions_4.jpg

[MakeshiftHero]

I agree. Just imagine Laurence Fishburne with grey make-up and blue prosthetics that look like they're part cybernetic, part organic veins.
I'm not crazy about including Apocalypse in a movie at all, but if they did, this would be the way to go.

I can see what you're saying and I think with certain makeup and what not Fishburne could look very convincing as Apocalypse, But if Apocalypse were ever in a movie I'm going to say that they would turn him into more of a terrorists. He could be able to keep the origin a little bit, just give him imortalityish powers and such, and have him go out looking for his "horsemen" and have Sinister apply mutant enhancements to them to make them stronger, and then have they go terrorize the united nations or something. I'd say that would be a good X5/X6 and set up the "Sinister and the Morlocks" movie that people have been talking about, in the movie before that so you know who Sinister is and that he's helping Apoc, and give Apoc some minor roles at the end and keep him in the shadows until the last scene. But I see Apoc as kind of a last resort/final X-movie plot and before that you'd do a Sentinel movie and then another movie w/ Essex and his scientific studies, then Apoc for X6.

[rilokyle]

I'd like to see a plot loosely based around the X-Tinction Agenda storyline. Genosha is introduced as this island that has mutates, under their control, etc, and the X-Men get mixed up with that. Or maybe, perhaps sentinals are developed, etc. I think its best to stick to more realistic storylines, as opposed to space adventures/time travels/Apocalypse-type stuff. The cool thing about the movies is that they allude that this could all potentially happen/be happening, which is an aspect I like about the films. I think the Genosha thing could work because right now with X3 it seems the mutants/humans relationship is pretty good in the US, so perhaps it times to unite mutants in other parts of the world.

Plot aside, I definiately want Wolverine and Storm back. But Halle will have to take a step back from the spotlight as she featured WAY too much in the third film. This should be an ensemble movie, not Storm and the X-Men lol.

In addition, I definately need to see Cyclops and Jean (and Xavier) back alive again. I'm not sure how they could have survived, but I really love the actors and the characters, so somehow I'd like to see them all alive again, and doing well. Perhaps Jean used all of her power to revive Scott and Xavier (which could explain Xavier's resurrection at the end of the film). Of course, poor Jean would have used all of her power up and is alive, but powerless, which solves the Phoenix problem. I like happy endings, so while Scott and Jean shouldn't take center stage, they can be secondary characters, staying to simply teaching roles.

Magneto and Mystique definately need to be re-powered of course. I think the film can just say that the cure wasn't 100% effective, and eventually wore off on some of the mutants. I don't think I want to see Magneto as a main villain, but as somehow who has to take allainance with the X-Men to bring down the real villain, kinda like with X2.

Definately want to seem more of a love story between Iceman and Rogue. I cannot get enough of them!! Anna Paquin needs to have more screen time, like in the first film as I absolutely adore her. I think I want to see Bobby and Rogue as a solid couple in the beginning- sneaking out of each other's rooms to fool around and stuff, cute cute. And then slowly Rogue's powers return which complicates things between her and Bobby. Towards the end of the film I'd like to see her finally gain control of her ability so she and Bobby can live happily ever after and graduate to full-time X-Men!! :D

As for Kitty? Yeah I wasn't a big fan of her because she replaced Rogue in the movie, so she will have to take a smaller role, and be with Colossus I guess.

As for new additions in the cast? Alex and Lorna all the way. I'd like a subplot of Alex meeting Scott for the first time since the orphanage, and hopefully Alex and Lorna will join the X-Men and be together forever!! :D I'm such a romantic. *sigh*

OOOHHH!!! I just had a good idea about the villains. Maybe instead of Genosha, the villains could be the Hellfire Club. They've revived Jean as Phoenix and the X-Men could unite to bring them down. I'd like to see Emma Frost appear in the film, perhaps turning against the Club and joining the X-Men.

Okay, sorry for the long post. Basically, I want to see everyone alive, re-powered, and with their true loves. :)

[countryfan2004]

I'd say the best bets for the next movie(s): Operation Zero Tolerance (already hinted at when Stryker told Wolverine when he was chained up "Someone will finish what I started"), build-up to Apocaylpse over three movies and have the Apocalypse fight as the third in the second set of trilogies as the main plot, Genosha. I'd also like to see the members be Angel, Kitty, Colossus, Iceman, Jubilee, and Husk. It needs to be a new set of characters, and they'd be perfect. I think Iceman is the only one who could stay that has been in all three of the first movies with a significant role. I also think Angel could lose his wings in the second movie of the new trilogy in the Apocalypse subplot.

[Uncle Nobs]

I see a lot of you bringing Scott and Jean back from the dead. Do you really think audiences would accept that?

[Sean Whitmore]

I see a lot of you bringing Scott and Jean back from the dead. Do you really think audiences would accept that?


I only see it working with Scott, and only if Sinister is involved. You have a bad guy who's whole shtick is super science, and you can accept that someone who died off-screen might be revived somehow.


SEAN

[Uncle Nobs]

Really? After reviving Jean over the course of two movies and copping out on Xavier's death in a post-credits "gotcha!" scene? You really think audiences won't raise an eyebrow at yet another devalued death?

I think it's something they're going to have to steer WAAYYY clear of for any possible sequels and even the spin-off movies. I think people here are forgetting how accustomed we've all become to the rules of superhero comics and how ridiculously empty these false deaths appear to non-comics fans.

[Sean Whitmore]

Frankly, I think movie audiences would be happy enough to see the heroes alive again to forgive the mechanics of it.

Comic fans are the ones who want realism and for the dead to stay dead. Movie fans are the ones who think test screenings are too dark and end up forcing directors to make the hero live at the end.

According to the X3 threads, many audiences cheered when they realized Xavier was alive. I think Cyclops might get a similar reaction. Especially since his death wasn't the focal point of X3, like Jean's. His was completely incidental.


SEAN

[Uncle Nobs]

I don't agree, but I recognize that there are probably plenty of people that share your view, Sean.

I think the larger deciding factor will be how frustrated the filmmakers would be with having to overcome yet another plot hurdle. Making any X-film involves a massive struggle with suspension of disbelief and by now I imagine they're all pretty burned out. I would imagine they'd want to make their next effort as simple and efficient as possible, hence no further resurrections.

[Sean Whitmore]

I think the larger deciding factor will be how frustrated the filmmakers would be with having to overcome yet another plot hurdle. Making any X-film involves a massive struggle with suspension of disbelief and by now I imagine they're all pretty burned out. I would imagine they'd want to make their next effort as simple and efficient as possible, hence no further resurrections.


That's very true. I should've realized that movie writers aren't comic writers, and won't be obsessed with "fixing" everything they think is wrong with the franchise. :)


SEAN

[Mister Mets]

My pitch would be for X-Men 4: Days of Future Past.

It's one of the best regarded X-Men stories ever, and can easily be adapted into a 90 minute movie (which would be shorter, and more profitable/ easy to make then the Last Stand.)

It would feature two parallel stories. A new Brotherhood of Mutants is renewing the old hatred against mutants, and prompting the US government to unleash the Sentinels.

Meanwhile, thirty years in the future, the last of the X-Men fight against a world in which the Sentinels have taken over the world, and send an ally back in time to stop this crazy world from happening.

The plot doesn't require Jean Grey, Cyclops, Professor X, or Magneto (the characters who are the most unavailable after the events of X-Men 3.) It also has a big role for Halle Berry, as the new leader of the team, and Hugh Jackman (star of the series) could do awesome work saving the future from Sentinels, and clashing with Storm in the present.


The movie could also be used to begin a new trilogy, especially by setting up the presence of Apocalypse (who I'd make the villain of X-Men 6.)

X-Men 5 would involve Xorn, the Hellfire Club (which would be a group devoted to Apocalypse), and Cassandra Nova.

[LordEd1976]

Here's my pitch for X-Men 4: Sinister Genesis (placeholder title)

the basic idea is that X3 is covered in lies.

That was not Jean Grey we saw killing Xavier and Cyclops and willingly joining Magneto.

Cyclops did not die at the hands of Jean Grey at the lake.

A young man breaks into the mansion and delivers a shocking message. The man known as Gambit tells the X-men that the person they thought was Rogue is actually an imposter. "Rogue" tries to kill Gambit only to stoped by the others. the fake won't reveal who she is but a mystery bolt out of the blue strips her disguise and Mystique's cover is no more.

Gambit tells the X-Men that he was working for a man known as Mr Sinister. Sinister wants to take control of the mutants and push their power even further. He found Jean after X2 and took her back to his lab. There he discovered her untapped power and created a clone named Madelyne Pryor to embody the unrestrained side of Jean Grey. Madelyne broke free from Sinister and set out to find the X-Men. Sinister tracked her to the lake in time to save Cyclops. Realizing that Cyclops also has amazing potential, he takes him back to the lab as well. Probing the minds of his subjects, Sinister learns more about the X-Men and their abilities. Deciding that he needs a spy in the school, he sees Rogue leaving and manages to kidnap her just as she walked into the building to get the cure. He also wanted to study the cure's effects so he tracked down Mystique while she was in government custody. He realized a way to reverse the cure and used on Mystique. he then had her betray Magneto and then arranged for her to be freed so she could take her place as Rogue in the school. Gambit had been serving Sinister because Sinister promised to use his science to help Gambit take care of a problem (subtle reference to Bella Donna) but seeing and hearing the protests of the captive Rogue madfe Gambit switch sides. Sinister told Gambit that he had detected another mutant with similar energy readings as Cyclops. He then ordered Gambit to find this mutant. Gambit decided to take the chance to warn the X-Men.

The X-Men don't know whether to fully trust Gambit but his story is verified by an incredible source. Xavier appears as a mental projection to his XMen and reveals that his mind is trapped within the body of a comatose man on Muir Island. however, he can still use his powers to help them. (It was Xavier that had earlier dealt with Mystique) The X-Men and Gambit track down the mutant and find out he's Alex Summers, the brother of Cyclops. the group is then attacked by a group known as the Marauders. Gambit says the Marauders are mutants Sinister uses as henchmen for jobs that require the target to be eliminated. During the battle, the X-Men are surprised to learn that one of their opponents is Arclight. Arclight says Sinister had her cloned and sent the clone out to spy on the Omega Gang. Wolverine also has a rematch with sabretooth. The XMen survive the battle but Gambit and Alex are captured.

Xavier manages to make contact with Jean and pinpoint the location of Sinister's lab. At the lab, Sinister reveals that he discovered that Scott Summers has enough power to possibly destroy him. He then decided to have the Marauders kill Alex in order to prevent anyone from getting their hands on a means to kill him. However, as he scans Alex, he finds out there is enough difference in Alex's energies that he can't harm Sinister. The X-Men burst in and attack Sinister and the Marauders. As the battle rages, Rogue and Jean are freed. Rogue finds out that she had absorbed enough magnetic power from Magneto at the Statue of Liberty that she kept it and it had given her the ability to fly. Sinister says the reason Rogue never used the ability before was because she placed a mental block on herself from using the powers since they were a reminder of the pain she suffered being used to power Magneto's machines.

The Marauders are beaten but the X-Men find themselves having a hard time against Sinister. Finally Alex launches a blast that Sinister thinks is aimed at him. Its not. Cyclops is freed and he unleashes a full force optic blast. Sinister apparently explodes and the battle ends. Exploring his base afterwards the X-Men find more mutants that Sinister had kept for his experiments, Callisto and Psylocke. Psylocke reveals she's a telepath and that she used to powers to help Jean and Xavier link. The X-Men take some of Sinister's tech with them and use it clone a new body for Xavier. One that can walk. Alex joins his brother at the school. Gambit and Psylocke also join up. Callisto heads off on her own. The X-Men celebrate the return of missing friends and the arrival of new ones.

Meanwhile, in Sinister's lab, the evil scientist revives and surveys the damage. He comments that the X-Men were fools to interfere in his work.

"Only by evolving to the next level can mutants have any hope of surving the future. Only by discovering and achieving the next phase of Homo Superior growth can mutants last through what is coming. Only then can they survive......


THE APOCALYPSE"

[Sean Whitmore]

the basic idea is that X3 is covered in lies.

That was not Jean Grey we saw killing Xavier and Cyclops and willingly joining Magneto.

Cyclops did not die at the hands of Jean Grey at the lake.

A young man breaks into the mansion and delivers a shocking message. The man known as Gambit tells the X-men that the person they thought was Rogue is actually an imposter.


Not to sound to snarky, but I think you need to distinguish between what you honestly think would be a good story and what you feel needs to be fixed about X3.


SEAN

[tjarvis]

I see a lot of you bringing Scott and Jean back from the dead. Do you really think audiences would accept that?

Bringing Jean back would be hard, and I don't think she should come back.

Bringing Scott back is really easy though, since we never saw him die. The last thing we saw was Jean kissing Scott, and the life force transfer happening after that. We never saw Scott turned to ash though. Even odder, Jean was in a coma for some reason when Wolverine and Storm found her, yet was perfectly alive and kicking when kissing Scott.

Saying something happened that we hadn't seen really wouldn't stretch any credibility.

[rilokyle]

Bringing Jean back would be hard, and I don't think she should come back.

Bringing Scott back is really easy though, since we never saw him die. The last thing we saw was Jean kissing Scott, and the life force transfer happening after that. We never saw Scott turned to ash though. Even odder, Jean was in a coma for some reason when Wolverine and Storm found her, yet was perfectly alive and kicking when kissing Scott.

Saying something happened that we hadn't seen really wouldn't stretch any credibility.
Yeah! I was just thinking about that. Like they say in the world of soap operas, they're aren't dead unless you have their dead body afterwards. And even then, there's a good chance they're still alive. For instance, on Days of our Lives, a baby was born stillborn, and was buried, and somehow turned out to be alive. Huh?? Sooo, yeah, it is totally plausible Scott could somehow have survived. Perhaps Jean subconsciously enclosed him in a telekinetic cocoon under the water. ;)

[Bishop_Proudstar]

I have a great opening sequence, but I don't want to post it..

If I type it here, it won't happen.

I just hope that Penn is thinking something similar because it ties into the beginnings of "X2"

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Bringing Jean back would be hard, and I don't think she should come back.

Bringing Scott back is really easy though, since we never saw him die. The last thing we saw was Jean kissing Scott, and the life force transfer happening after that. We never saw Scott turned to ash though. Even odder, Jean was in a coma for some reason when Wolverine and Storm found her, yet was perfectly alive and kicking when kissing Scott.

Saying something happened that we hadn't seen really wouldn't stretch any credibility.

That seems to be the speculation now... That he may be hidden somewhere..

[LordEd1976]

Not to sound to snarky, but I think you need to distinguish between what you honestly think would be a good story and what you feel needs to be fixed about X3.


SEAN

You don't sound snarky. My idea is to try and do both. I want to tell a good story AND i want to fix what went wrong with X3.

[drwho]

My X-Men 4 pitch.

Cast: Storm, Beast, Wolverine, Iceman, Shadowcat, Angel, and Collusus. Prof. X.

Plot:

Magneto would still be shown powerless dealing with living life as a normal human. Id basically introduce Mr. Sinister into the film and have him and his marauders as the main bad guys. Mr. Sinister main motivation would be he would be a very smart human that was in a coma but became awaken when jean died as he was able to sense her power. His whole mission would be him trying to do things so that he could attain that power. Somehow he would find out where the x-men are and dig up genes body for experimentations. Fights ensue X-men defeat him. Also throw in a few sentinels and its a masterpeice. I think Apocalypse is too big a character to have him just show up. I would feel maybe another trilogy could be done and call it the Ascension of Apocalypse.

[Ontir]

No way!!! No more cartoons on movies, I hate that, thats the whole point of it being a movie, to be real, to have someone play him convincingly, not some crappy blue Shrek running around pretending to interact with people.

Who's talking about a "crappy blue Shrek?" I'm talking about a highly textural, state of the art, CGI creation. It's not something I'd suggest often, but this is one case where it would work well. The actor who does the voice, would be on-set, so the actors have someone to work with, a la Andy Sirkis. Besides, it's all pretend.

[darkwolf]

Cast
X-Men- Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Iceman, Colossus, Shadowcat, Angel, Frost and Cyclops.
HellFire- Shaw, Selene, Magneto, Sage, Sunspot,
Hellions- Warpath, Pyro, Rogue, Gambit, Psylocke

After loosing again to the X-Men, Magneto joins a pro team of Villains , the Hellfire Club. The X-Men are trying to rebuilt the dream, and continue to teach young mutants. Rogue leaves the team because bobby loves kitty, and she is sick and tired of being a good girl. She leaves the mansion but is followed by Pyro. He convinces her to get even and help the Hellfire to destroy the X-Men especially bobby and kitty. They plant Frost as a new X-Student. All is going well, when Scott appears out of nowhere. The X-Men are stunned and ask Scott what happened. He tells them at the last minute Jean saved him and sent him away to salvation. He them spent the last month healing and trying to get back to the mansion. Logan tells him what happened and Scott sarts crying but then realises that she never really loved him. Days go by and Scott meets Emma, and they connect. Meanwhile The HELLFIRE is trayning their pawns for battle. Magneto hopes that after the destruction of the X-Men he could finally rule the world. But Shaw hears him and plans for Eric's death. Emma and Scott are in love and she begins to question herself: Why do this ? Why betray the X-Men, her new friends and specially the man she loves. She goes to Scott and tries to tell the truth but Logan interrupts her. The war begins, all Helfire and Hellions members attack the mansion, and the Xteam is caught by surprise. The battle is fearse. Rogue tries to kill kitty but bobby stops her. Pyro comes to the rescue and we see Iceman vs Pyro 2. Colossus and Warpath go at it while moonstar battles angel and gambit attacks beast. Now the hellfires attack the x-men core. Storm vs Selene, Logan vs Shaw and Scott vs Sunpot. Magneto ans Sage just watch. Seing his allies are betraying him Shaw looses focus ang gets logans claws, and falls down. The X-Men are trapped and Emma can wait anymore and tries to defend her friends. Magneto makes the roof fall down on her but at the last moment she changes into her diamond skin. With her help the Hellfire are defeated. After the battle we see all mutants, teachers and students rebuiding the mansion. Scott and Emma are very much in love and before the end Rachell appears as phoenix and she tells them to help her she is being attacked by the Shi'ars Imperial guard. The Shi'ars attack ships fly over the mansion and sent an ultimatum: Give us the daughter of the Phoenix or we will destroy this planet. Fade to black. The End ?

[rage6839]

A young Gambit is brought to the school and causes conflict with Bobby and Rogue. Iceman doesn't trust him and rightfully so, he is working for Sinister. As others have mentioned before, we did not see Cyke die. Sinister knows the Summers' genes hold the key to creating a level -5 mutant. Sinister has also sent Gambit to spy on the X-Men since they will be his greatest obstacle. A handful of Morlocks show up on the X-Men doorstep saying they are all that remain after about 5 to 10 mutants wiped them out after they ran to the sewers once Callisto died and Magneto was depowered. I really think the franchise can make more profitable movies if done right. Also, I can sit through a 2 hour plus movie if it serves to move along the plot and develop character and I think the rest of the audience can too. My suggestion for Apocalypse would be Christoper Judge(Teal'C from Stargate:SG1)
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0118480/Ss/0118480/5?path=pgallery&path_key=Judge,%20Christopher
guy on the right
He would be perfect , jmho. Now I have no idea who should play Gambit

[Zombienorthstar]

I really think the franchise can make more profitable movies if done right.


To be fair mo' money is the alst of the X-Men franchises worries...didnt it just become the biggest grossing debut or something?

[Ontir]

Money's ALWAYS an issue in filmmaking! Often films that you'd think would be allotted a great budget due to previous success, are made to work with less, for reasons that have nothing to do with the production itself. The old Planet of the Apes film series springs to mind, but there are others more recent.

[Tommy]

I have been thinking about this for a while now...

Emma Frost inherits the mansion in Xavier's will. This leads to conflict between her and Strom who Xavier had obviously been intending to leave the school to just prior to his death. In order to beef up the school's teaching roster Emma goes and recruits Scott's brother Alex. She is also attempting to find Jean Grey's mind with Cerebro in order to make sure Jean is REALLY dead this time.

Meanwhile Collisto is hunting down a magnetic mutant who she thinks is Magneto with Pyro and the rest of the brotherhood in tow.

Elsewhere The Hellfire club hires Marrow to kill Leech. Since most of the mutant rabble-rousers were de-powered there is little to no tension in the US. And the Hellfire Club had been selling to both sides. Marrow kills Leech and all of the empowered mutants spontaneously regenerate their powers.

Rogue is at the time flying in a mutant named Carol's arms. Suddenly they crash to Earth, Carol is put in a coma and Rogue starts acting funny.

A newly restored Magneto attacks and destroys a military base. This prompts the government to hire the Hellfire Club to create sentinels.

Callisto finally catches up with her mysterious magnetic mutant practically on the lawn of the Xavier School and it turns out to be Polaris who joins the X-men. A brief fight ensues and the brotherhood leave to find the real Magneto.

Rogue keeps spontaneously switching personalities. Emma keeps noticing something on the Astral Plane but can't figure out what.

The sentinels attack and destroy all the mutants in Los Angels. This prompts the new Brotherhood to launch an attack on Washington DC. The X-men meet them and a three-way battle erupts between the Brotherhood, the Sentinels, and the X-men. In the end the Sentinels are all destroyed, the brotherhood defeated, the X-men victorious and the Hellfire Club is sceaming again.

[jawbreaker]

well according to Avi Arad there wont be any X4 anytime soon. Just less costly spin-offs. :(

[Zombienorthstar]

I have been thinking about this for a while now...

Emma Frost inherits the mansion in Xavier's will. This leads to conflict between her and Strom who Xavier had obviously been intending to leave the school to just prior to his death. In order to beef up the school's teaching roster Emma goes and recruits Scott's brother Alex. She is also attempting to find Jean Grey's mind with Cerebro in order to make sure Jean is REALLY dead this time.

Meanwhile Collisto is hunting down a magnetic mutant who she thinks is Magneto with Pyro and the rest of the brotherhood in tow.

Elsewhere The Hellfire club hires Marrow to kill Leech. Since most of the mutant rabble-rousers were de-powered there is little to no tension in the US. And the Hellfire Club had been selling to both sides. Marrow kills Leech and all of the empowered mutants spontaneously regenerate their powers.

Rogue is at the time flying in a mutant named Carol's arms. Suddenly they crash to Earth, Carol is put in a coma and Rogue starts acting funny.

A newly restored Magneto attacks and destroys a military base. This prompts the government to hire the Hellfire Club to create sentinels.

Callisto finally catches up with her mysterious magnetic mutant practically on the lawn of the Xavier School and it turns out to be Polaris who joins the X-men. A brief fight ensues and the brotherhood leave to find the real Magneto.

Rogue keeps spontaneously switching personalities. Emma keeps noticing something on the Astral Plane but can't figure out what.

The sentinels attack and destroy all the mutants in Los Angels. This prompts the new Brotherhood to launch an attack on Washington DC. The X-men meet them and a three-way battle erupts between the Brotherhood, the Sentinels, and the X-men. In the end the Sentinels are all destroyed, the brotherhood defeated, the X-men victorious and the Hellfire Club is sceaming again.


I actually quite like this idea...

[Bishop_Proudstar]

well according to Avi Arad there wont be any X4 anytime soon. Just less costly spin-offs. :(

He's just saying that to create more demand for "X4", and to shift the focus to "Spiderman 3" (and maybe "Ghost Rider").

If I was his position, I would say that in hope is that:

If the public can't look forward to a possible "X4", they will look to the next best option: (FF4II, Spiderman 3, Ghost Rider)

"S4" doesn't need it though...

It could make more $$$$ than "X-Men 3"...

Venom? lol!

The pressure is on, but not as much as for "FFII"..

It must be alot better to keep up with the other films

[Haunt]

well if they go with a cheaper spin-off, my vote's for X-factor. i really like the movie version of Jamie. and i wouldn't mind seeing Havok, Polaris, Wolfsbane, Strong Guy, etc.

[DDM]

well according to Avi Arad there wont be any X4 anytime soon. Just less costly spin-offs. :(

I'm sure Wolverine's hair will make an appearance at some point.

[rage6839]

Money is the key in terms of does it have legs. After Friday's fantastic numbers, I truly thought Spider-Man was going down but it continued to drop day after day. Hopefully it does well in the second week and stays #1. Although I love Wolverine and Storm, I have to admit Gambit and a kick ass story could get the record. Because bottom line, I just want to see more X-Men movies.

[Montopolis]

Dont worry X3 is doing ridiculously good at the box office, those greedy movie executives will give x4 a go.

[Christopher O]

I would hire Peter Jackson and go LotR style for this one and create a single, massive film divided into a trilogy: X-Men: The New Beginning, X-Men: Awakenings, X-Men: Apocalypse. I'd also make each film closer to three hours, rather than having them dance under the two hour mark.

X-Men: The New Beginning
X-Men: Storm, Wolverine, Shadowcat, Colossus, Jubilee, Siryn
Non-Combative Faculty: Dr. Cecilia Reyes, Stevie Hunter, Sharon Friedlander, Tom Corsi
Morlocks: Marrow, Northstar, Aurora, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Ecstasy (Stacy X), Caliban, Sunder and a whole host of others.
Marauders: Gambit, Polaris, Frenzy, Scrambler, Sabertooth
Muir Island: Xavier, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Darwin, Moira
Others: Magneto, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Rogue, Emma Frost, Sebastian Shaw, Donald Pierce, Harry Leland, Pestilence

Summary: Change is in the air. Mutation is rapidly emerging all around the world and as acceptance grows in many parts of the world, intolerance does in others. The X-Men have heard talks of a growing mutant slave trade, but as they prepare to deal with this threat, another threat emerges. One that hits closer to home: several allies have died suddenly from a mysterious illness, leading the X-Men to suspect foul play. Now, the X-Men must divide their forces to deal with threats on several fronts, and all while another even greater threat is born in the shadows...

Breakdown (Sorry if this is a little scattered and a little too detailed):
-The New Beginning is set two years after the events in X-Men 3.
-Xavier (who has chosen to keep his survival a secret) has remained on Muir Island, helping Moira with her research. They actually find a way to fully reverse the effects of the cure, which is wonderful, but Charles has been having troubling visions about an ancient force returning to plague the world.
-Moira, Mystique, Xavier, and Nightcrawler (all in residence on Muir Island for study) die early on from a mysterious illness, creating a mystery for the X-Men to piece together.
- A mysterious hooded individual makes a deal with a red-eyed mutant, Gambit (the details are not revealed).
-Emma Frost is a closet mutant and head of an elite organization, known as the Inner Circle, which is heavily involved with the mutant slave trade.
-At Xavier's School, rumors of the mutant slave trade have surfaced just as Storm receives a call from Moira's lab assistant and lifelong study, a mutant called Darwin. He tells her of the mysterious illness that has struck down the mutants in residence on Muir Island. Storm sets Darwin with the task of discovering the nature of the illness.
- Colossus, Shadowcat, and Iceman have all graduated from the Institute, but Iceman left for college in the NYC with Rogue, while Colossus and Shadowcat remained at the Institute to help out while still taking college courses.
-Siryn and Jubilee, while still in school, have graduated to X-Men status.
-Storm's run as headmistress has been successful. She's brought in new faculty including non-mutant instructors, Stevie Hunter, Sharon Friedlander, and Tom Corsi, along with mutant MD, Dr. Cecilia Reyes.
-Wolverine has settled in as a mentor for the younger X-Men and students. He also has a romantic relationship with Storm.
-Beast (with the help of his personal assistant, Angel) has been using his political resources to investigate the mutant slavery rumors. The investigation results in the capture of Hank and Warren by the forces of the Inner Circle. While in captivity, they meet a large group of mutants that have been kept for a large auction the Inner Circle has planned. Caliban, one of the captive mutants, is a great fan of H.G. Wells and refers to the captives as the Morlocks and their captors as the Eloi. They also discover that Magneto, whose mutation is still reemerging, is also a captive of the Inner Circle.
-Emma Frost finds herself oddly attracted to Beast and actually goes to his cell to engage in philosophical discourse with him. He causes her to question her own actions.
-Northstar and Marrow escape the Inner Circle's compound.
-Meanwhile, in NYC Iceman and Rogue's relationship takes an unexpected turn as Rogue's mutation finally reemerges while she and Bobby are making love. Due to the rapid reemergence of her ability, and the fact that they were so fully engaged physically, Bobby dies. This causes Rogue to lose it, and she runs--again.
-Later that day, the X-Men learn about Bobby.
-Wolverine goes after Rogue.
-Storm goes to Hank's office at the UN, looking for him, since she hasn't heard from him in several days.
-While the two senior X-Men are away, the Inner Circle make there move on Xavier's school. The remaining X-Men are overwhelmed by the private army of the Inner Circle. They kill the non-mutant faculty and take the mutant residents to their compound to be sold. Shadowcat and Colossus are able to escape, thanks to Kitty's powers.
-Darwin investigates the mysterious illness, but to no avail, so he begins to search for a brilliant scientist who was once a researcher on Muir Island, Dr. Nathaniel Essex.
-Rogue briefly crosses paths with Gambit at a mutant bar.
-Wolverine finds Rogue, but when he hears about the school, he's forced to leave before he can get though to her.
-The mysterious hooded individual approaches her with an offer.
-Storm, Wolverine, Shadowcat, and Colossus return to the school and discover a message left by Marrow and Northstar who know the location of the Inner Circle's compound. The X-Men retrieve the two mutants and head to the compound. Marrow instantly hates Storm and Wolverine. Northstar and Colossus instantly connect.
-Back at the compound, the auction is about to begin, with the world's wealthiest and most powerful arriving--some of the individuals are even world leaders, who have brought some of their military might. Beast, Magneto, Jubilee, and Siryn lead the other captives in a revolt. A pitched battel begins.
-The X-Men arrive, only to find that the Inner Cirlce are ready for them. They fight their way into the compound.
-During the battle, Storm has Hank, Angel, and Magneto lead the students and the other prisoners out of the compound, while the rest of the X-Men handle the Inner Circle's forces.
-Hank and Magneto lead their group away from the compound, and they arrive at the X-Jet to find Gambit and the Marauders waiting for them.
-The Marauders attack.
-Conversations with Beast have gotten through to Emma, and she switches sides, helping the X-Men achieve victory over the Inner Circle's forces.
-Beast's group fight for their lives, but the Marauders are too much. They are literally Massacred.
-Beast is mortally wounded. Angel has his wings ripped off by Frenzy.
-The X-men finally arrive at the battle, but being exhausted, they are easily outmatched by the Marauders.
-Darwin, having received a message from Storm requesting his help, arrives in time to turn the tide. He gives Charles and Moira's antidote for the Cure to Magneto, whose powers are restored as quickly as he lost them. With this added power, the Marauders are successfully driven away, but not without casualties.
-Jubilee, Aurora, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Ecstasy (Stacy X), Caliban, Sunder, and many others die, including Beast.
-With his dying breath, Beast asks Emma and Magneto to help the X-Men. He says they've been given second chances, and he tells them to make the most of that.
-Storm follows that speech up by telling them that they will see the remaining mutants safely to the Institute, regardless of whatever choice they make, but she hopes that they will stay and help the X-Men rebuild.
-The X-Men and company return to the Institute, and bury their dead.
-The school returns to some semblance of normality.
-There are still questions left unanswered: What killed the residents of Muir Island? Why did the Marauders attack? How did they know where the Inner Circle's compound was located? Where is Dr. Essex?
-Darwin and Wolverine leave the Institute to find answers to those questions, leaving a new team of X-Men to teach the students and fight for Xavier's dream: Storm, Magneto, Emma Frost, Colossus, Shadowcat, Siryn, Northstar, Marrow.
- Epilogue: Angel, who has lost his wings, has returned to the care of his family. He is about to attempts suicide, but before he can, the mysterious hooded figure, along with Rogue, steps out of the shadows, and reveals herself as Pestilence, a mutant with the ability to ravage all life on Earth with her mutant ability (what she calls her "legacy"), a deadly virus that can kill plants, animals, bacteria, etc. She tells Warren that she can help him just as she plans to help Rogue, if he joins them as one of the Horsemen of Apocalypse. End.

And just for fun...Body count: Xavier, Moira, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Iceman, Stevie Hunter, Sharon Friedlander, Tom Corsi, Aurora, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Ecstasy (Stacy X), Caliban, Sunder, Beast, Sebastian Shaw, Donald Pierce, Harry Leland, and all those unnamed mutants and soldiers...


I'll get around to the other parts eventually...

[Ontir]

Meanwhile Collisto...

Wasn't Callisto one of the mutants Jean powdered on Alcatraz?

I kind of like the idea of Emma coming in as a result of Charles' will.

[Sean Whitmore]

I hope Moira is brought onto the staff next time. Perfect segue into Banshee, right there!


SEAN

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Dont worry X3 is doing ridiculously good at the box office, those greedy movie executives will give x4 a go.

....not if these executives skim so much-off the top of the next film's budget..

I already don't believe that budget of these films are really what they claim they are..

They already have most of the profits. Then, they will ask for more as well..

Everybody does..

This is why some of the cast will have to be replaced with cheaper options..

Fox/Marvel should not waste their time with a TV spin-off, and solo films..

The team spect drives the success of The X-Men the same way it has the books in the past. They cannot afford to under-estimate their importance.

Film "X4" after "FF2".

[Bishop_Proudstar]

Wasn't Callisto one of the mutants Jean powdered on Alcatraz?

I kind of like the idea of Emma coming in as a result of Charles' will.

"Jeanie" can "blink" everyone back...

[Montopolis]

....not if these executive skims so much-off the top of the next film's budget..

I already don't believe that budget of these films are really what they claim they are..

they already have most of the profits. Then, they will ask for more as well..

Everybody does..

This is why some of the cast will have to be replaced with cheaper options..

Fox/Marvel should not waste their time with a TV spin-off, and solos films..

The team spect drives the success of The X-Men the same way it has the books in the past. They cannot afford to under-estimate their importance.

Film "X4" after "FF2".
Im damn sure there will be another movie due to the succes of of x-3, Ohh I wouldnt put it past Fox, to put a boatload of b-listers on the next movie, so be prepared to see Casper Van Dien as Cyclops, and Eric Roberts as Magneto.

[Tommy]

I thought that there was not going to be an X4 since the cast was only contracted for three movies.

I know James Marsden basically said he didn't want to do X3 (or possibly even X2), which is why I believe that he was killed off so quickly.

And I know that Hallie Berry was pissing and moaning about doing the movie. She would rather make really shitty movies staring her than be forced to share screen time with any one. Thus why I think she had such an expanded role in this movie.

[Zombienorthstar]

I thought that there was not going to be an X4 since the cast was only contracted for three movies.

I know James Marsden basically said he didn't want to do X3 (or possibly even X2), which is why I believe that he was killed off so quickly.

And I know that Hallie Berry was pissing and moaning about doing the movie. She would rather make really shitty movies staring her than be forced to share screen time with any one. Thus why I think she had such an expanded role in this movie.

Ironically since X3 shes the only actor of the originals to say shed like to see another film.

[Christopher O]

And I know that Hallie Berry was pissing and moaning about doing the movie. She would rather make really shitty movies staring her than be forced to share screen time with any one. Thus why I think she had such an expanded role in this movie.
And of course you have evidence to back this up, right?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Xany Kaos]

And of course you have evidence to back this up, right?

Yeah, that's what I thought.


Wasn't it in like, every article about the movie a year or so ago? That at first she wasn't going to do the movie until they expanded her screen time ridiculously?

[Christopher O]

Wasn't it in like, every article about the movie a year or so ago? That at first she wasn't going to do the movie until they expanded her screen time ridiculously?
No, it wasn't. She did say she wanted something to do besides fly the plane. That's all. She wanted a point of view and a purpose. As an actor myself, I completely understand that, and despite her ability (or lack thereof), it's a completely valid complaint.

[Zombienorthstar]

No, it wasn't. She did say she wanted something to do besides fly the plane. That's all. She wanted a point of view and a purpose. As an actor myself, I completely understand that, and despite her ability (or lack thereof), it's a completely valid complaint.


On Jonathon Ross she said the fans had berrated her about how this goddess like character had been reduced to a ditz in a wig. She said ti made the fans really mad....and in all fairness...i only hit her once...

[Madrox84]

Hmmm having read that Empire list thingy, there are some suggestion there that i loathe (Arnie as Poccy, hell no) but then there are some that i looove! Like the suggestion that James McAvoy should play Chamber, that would be so cool!

If anyone hadn't guessed i'm a fan, here is a link to his imdb profile:-

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0564215/

[Zombienorthstar]

Hmmm having read that Empire list thingy, there are some suggestion there that i loathe (Arnie as Poccy, hell no) but then there are some that i looove! Like the suggestion that James McAvoy should play Chamber, that would be so cool!

If anyone hadn't guessed i'm a fan, here is a link to his imdb profile:-

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0564215/


Ive loved James McAvoy since he was in Shameless (plus u see him naked quite alot in that tv series)

you americans get that show?

[Montopolis]

Ive loved James McAvoy since he was in Shameless (plus u see him naked quite alot in that tv series)

you americans get that show?
I dont think so, the last thing you brits brought over was Coupling. I love that show.

[Zombienorthstar]

I dont think so, the last thing you brits brought over was Coupling. I love that show.


Really? I hate that programme...Shameless is great. Also good is:

Little Britain
The Catherine Tate Show.
No Angels...

all good british comedy.

[Montopolis]

Really? I hate that programme...Shameless is great. Also good is:

Little Britain
The Catherine Tate Show.
No Angels...

all good british comedy.
well its because I suspect the character "Jeff" is probably based on my life.
I dont get Shameless over here, but I do get Little Britain. Now thats entertainment. :D

[Tobias March]

Hmmm having read that Empire list thingy, there are some suggestion there that i loathe (Arnie as Poccy, hell no) but then there are some that i looove! Like the suggestion that James McAvoy should play Chamber, that would be so cool!

If anyone hadn't guessed i'm a fan, here is a link to his imdb profile:-

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0564215/

Shameless is the business! Buy the dvd - it's excellent. Plus I thought that Empire website had some good cast suggestions, partcularly Sawyer from Lost to play Gambit, or Lance Henriksen as Sinister. Brilliance!

[Tobias March]

Depending on who owns the rights to the X-Men title come the next release, I imagine the focus will be on a team of New Mutants, with perhaps a bookending cameo from either Wolverine or Storm. This could even be tied in with Morrison's X-Corps idea for a more international scope and the idea that the school has since X3 expanded far beyond Westchester, with centres for mutant rights across the world.

The team would be led by Bobby Drake, Shadowcat, Siryn and Colossus, with some international recruits - a teenaged Bishop (jettisoning the time travel angle, much as Bendis proposed in Ultimate X-Men) Cannonball, Rictor, Rahne Sinclair and M. With the Hellfire Club's Hellions as rivals and a continent hopping storyline focusing on the disappearance of young mutants across the world (possibly Sinister is involved, or the Genoshan storyline with the Sugarman taking the lead as the power behind the throne).

Explore the X-universe a little more.

[Xany Kaos]

Mmm, James McAvoy...as Chamber...even better...*sighs off in a happy place*


Halle Berry complaining about not getting a better part is like a young Harpo Marx complaining that he wasn't given any lines. In Harpo's case, it was because he was better without them. In Halle's case, it's because all she's pretty much qualified to do is fly the plane.

Just because an actor wants a bigger part does not mean they should get it. I'm not an actor, but I remember smouldering with resentment in high school because I was always stuck in crap parts. It didn't mean I should've been given a better one.


Is it true that she got sick from doing all the spinning?

[Zombienorthstar]

Mmm, James McAvoy...as Chamber...even better...*sighs off in a happy place*


Halle Berry complaining about not getting a better part is like a young Harpo Marx complaining that he wasn't given any lines. In Harpo's case, it was because he was better without them. In Halle's case, it's because all she's pretty much qualified to do is fly the plane.

Just because an actor wants a bigger part does not mean they should get it. I'm not an actor, but I remember smouldering with resentment in high school because I was always stuck in crap parts. It didn't mean I should've been given a better one.


Is it true that she got sick from doing all the spinning?


yeah ive seen the video on the net....i loved it...you want a bigger part berry???? Hows this for you?

[Ontir]

Im damn sure there will be another movie due to the succes of of x-3, Ohh I wouldnt put it past Fox, to put a boatload of b-listers on the next movie, so be prepared to see Casper Van Dien as Cyclops, and Eric Roberts as Magneto.

Eric Roberts is NOT a "B-List" actor. His sister may be Triple-A, but he's a far better actor than she.

Actually, if they didn't cast Marsden as Alec, Van Dien might be a decent Havoc. He's not a bad actor, a bit full of himself - or he was up to the point of his dreadful Tarzan movie. I don't know that he'd be open to such worldly projects these days, having gone pretty much exclusively into Christian/Book of Revelations films.

[Montopolis]

Eric Roberts is NOT a "B-List" actor. His sister may be Triple-A, but he's a far better actor than she.

Actually, if they didn't cast Marsden as Alec, Van Dien might be a decent Havoc. He's not a bad actor, a bit full of himself - or he was up to the point of his dreadful Tarzan movie. I don't know that he'd be open to such worldly projects these days, having gone pretty much exclusively into Christian/Book of Revelations films.
I just wanted to describe two well know actors, who are in a whole bunch of crappy flicks. except for starship troopers. Van Dien does have the look, for havok though, he does seam to resemble Mardsen. My point is that Fox is gonna make another one (I think)just because x-3 is doing so well, im sure theyll try to milk this cow.

[TheOnlyXTremeFan]

Key things I want to see in the next X-Men movie:

1. Introduction of new mutants with unique powers. With X2, they added new mutants to the story who had unique looks/abilities that set them apart. Gambit, Chamber, Emma Frost (all the psychics from the first 3 are dead), Marrow.

2. Bring back Cyclops, keep the others dead. I think if you're going to bring back one of the dead characters, it has to be him. He's never got that much screentime, we never saw him die, etc. Let Charles be on Muir Island, let's not see him. Jean stays dead. If we bring them all back then we take away from X3.

3. Leave the depowered mutants as they are: depowered, except maybe for Magneto as a surprise at the end. It's already been shown that his power might be coming back. Let's leave it to the audience to guess when/if he'll show up. If you power up everybody who got the cure, all of a sudden X3 is just...unimportant.

4. A different kind of villain. X1- Magneto and the brotherhood. X2- Stryker. X3- Magneto, Phoenix. I think the most viable options left would be Sinister/Essex or the Hellfire Club. I say save Apocalypse for the last resort, X6 or 7 if we ever get there. What I thought the Spidey films should've done with Venom, a slowburn over a couple of movies.


X4: Mutant Massacre

Current X-Men: Wolverine, Kitty, Colossus, Iceman, Rogue, Storm, Emma Frost, Chamber, Angel.
Bit parts: Illyana, Leech, other basic Morlocks/mutants.
Villains: Essex and his Marauders (don't care who, but at least Sabretooth).

Start the movie with action, Gambit going through the mansion killing X-Men, getting into an amazing fight with Wolverine where he blows up Logan's head with a charged rock or something. We realize it's the danger room. Start it with action people! X2's opening was so amazing. X3's was personal/emotional but...I felt kinda let down.

So we find out Emma's a new teacher at the school, Chamber and Gambit are new students, Rogue still goes out with Bobby but has a weird attraction for Gambit, Kitty and Peter are kinda going out. It's more about the Gambit/Rogue/Iceman love triangle at the beginning, we only see Wolverine here and there as a teacher. Emma has a psychic class with Chamber. We're introduced to Illyana, Peter's sister. Angel's teaching several mutants how to fly, etc. Quiet it down and make it about the school in the first act after the opening salvo.

We see Essex plotting his destruction of the Morlocks. He talks to his Marauders about how the Morlocks been cut down by deaths/injury (let's say most of the mutants on Magneto's side in X3 were Morlocks). He sends them out after the main Morlock group being led by Callisto.

They're not the only ones trailing Callisto though. Storm finds the Morlocks in the sewers and tries to reason with Callisto. Storm wants the Morlocks to come to the surface, where it's safe, etc. Callisto won't have any of it though and challenges Storm to a duel. Nonpowered fight scene occurs. Storm, faced with the life/death situation, stabs Callisto through the heart, but doesn't kill her. Callisto tells her to lead the Morlocks, Storm doesn't realize what she's done yet.

BOOM.

Explosions, screams, in the distance. A psychic tells them of the impending Marauders. Storm takes charge of the situation, gets the Morlocks to start running. Starts calling for help with her communicator.

The X-Men suit up arrive at the scene. They find dead bodies, a gruesome scene. They rush through the tunnels with Storm screaming for help through the communicators. They find the Morlocks (or what's left of them) in a massive mutant fight with the Marauders. The X-Men engage and start to win the battle until......

OPTIC BLAST

Cyclops? Wearing a different kind of visor. Logan tries to reason with him. Cyclops pounds him mercilessly with blasts till Logan's knocked out. Storm throws a mini hurricane at the Marauders, allowing for the X-Men's escape.

They go back to the mansion to lick their wounds. The Morlocks have been decimated. A morlock named Marrow starts to blame Storm for the situation. Callisto disagrees vehemently, she knows (yet hates, of course) that Storm saved them. Callisto finally dies. The Morlocks mourn, Storm sheds no tears.

More love triangle stuff.

Then the mansion is attacked! We see massive fights as the Marauders are ruthless. The X-Men do what they can but are outclassed, outpowered by the Marauders. I'd do an Emma/Sabretooth scene kinda like how it is in the comics, with Emma in place of Psylocke. Illyana is killed, Colossus goes nuts, cracks somebody's neck (like the comic). Gambit is revealed as a traitor. X-Men are taken as hostages.

Only ones left are Wolverine (thought to be dead), depowered Rogue, Colossus (can't change back to human, might die of wounds if he does). They go and hunt with Marrow. We find out more about Marrow here, as Wolverine sees a lot of himself in her. Rogue tries to tend to Colossus, but he's gone into a berzerker state.

Massive fight at Essex' base. Colossus kills again. Angel loses his wings. Sinister shoots at Iceman but Rogue dives in the way. Rogue dies. Gambit turns on Sinister. Marauders are defeated, but most of the X-Men are down. It's turned into Wolverine, Gambit, Storm vs. Sinister, Cyclops. X-Men are losing, about to die when Cyclops realizes what he's doing, takes off Sinister's visor. Logan tosses him an old one from the school. Cyclops destroys Sinister.

Epilogue: We see the mansion in shambles, but to be rebuilt. Scott visits Jean's grave for a tearful final goodbye. They bury Rogue, Illyana. Storm decides to take the Morlocks and train them, teach them...do what the Professor would want her to do. She leaves the mansion to take the Morlocks to a separate school. Scott takes her place as Co-Professor with Logan. Final scene, Logan (the original outsider) gets Gambit and Marrow to stay at the mansion as X-Men.

[Serik]

X4 should focus on the sentinels. And Master Mold HAS to make an appearance.

They should also focus on a smaller group of X-Men. Maybe introduce Gambit and Emma Frost, but otherwise give the original group enough screen time for them to matter. Any other mutants should just have small roles.

[Cable2X]

Basic Thoughts

-- Mr. Sinister should definitely play the heavy. A genetisist, he has found a way to reverse the cure. This in itself wouldn't be so bad, except that he also has a backup plan put into effect to wipe out all of humanity which doesn't have the X-Gene, since they are now an evolutionary dead end. For him, it's not evil, just practical science.

-- Sinister has a band of bodyguards, the Mauraders. They are led by Gambit. Although things are not so easy between Gambit and Sinister, this could lead to a kick ass Gamibt vs. Wolverine fight.

-- The first time the Mauraders meet the X-Men, they absolutely take them apart, as if they knew all the X-Men's moves. They do. Scott Summers is alive, and has been brainwashed into serving Sinister. We never saw his body, nor did we actually see Jean kill him. It's easy to guess that the Jean Grey part of her personality couldn't kill the one person she loved more than anybody else, and merely placed him a coma. One that Sinister awakened him from.

-- The X-Team this time out should include Wolverine, Storm, Big C, Kitty, Iceman, and Angel. Also introduce a new stuck up bitchy student by the name of Emma Frost, who is an incrediably gifted telepath.

-- Bring in Magneto as someone who has regained partial use of his abilities, but is nowhere near his full potential. He's desperate to regain his full power, and Sinister holds the answer for him.

Only a loose outline. The franchise really needs to stay away from time travel and space stories, as well as flooding the screen with new characters since the biggest problem with this movie was that most of the new mutants received very little characterization beyond what their powers were. Work on fleshing out the cast you already with one or two insertions as opposed to bringing in a bunch of second stringers.

Just perfect.

[Cable2X]

Just perfect.

Ok, after reading more I see other scripts that are even better.

Basically all scripts that involve a Sinister with Gambit at his side plot, and Prof X (the real one), Jean, and Scott being brought back by Sinister, are on the right track.

[ShatterStar]

Yeh i did nt like X-3 has im thinking some of you guys did nt either .So i dont want a X-4 but if there was a X-4 we would have to see Bischop but im guessing since scott summers is dead cable cannot be born so i donno how

[MakeshiftHero]

Really? I hate that programme...Shameless is great. Also good is:

Little Britain
The Catherine Tate Show.
No Angels...

all good british comedy.
You forgot about The Office!! Great show, although I'm going to be honest and say that I like the american version of The Office better. And I'd also like to say that Mr. Bean was good, when I was 5, I haven't seen any episodes lately.

But on topic, some of yall are bringing back Callisto, thats kind of odd cause unless you had your eyes shut during the final fight you would know that she got electrocuted and died thanks to Storm. Also I really don't want jean or scott back (even with a Sinister plot) cause that would mean that 2 of 3 of the main x-men that died came back to life (save scott for x5 and no more jean). As for the plot I really like the idea of a Sinister w/ Gambit and Sabertooth and their team trying to off the Morlocks or do experiments on them (Marrow and Chamber would lead the Morlocks) But as far as the X-Men go to make room for the new characters i'd say no angel (he's back w/ his dad patching things up) and no rogue (she's back home on vacation seeing her parents) sadly, no Beast (he's doing govt work) and keep Prof at the Island w/ Moira resting and getting his strength back. So with those people gone the team would be Logan, Colossus (this time he does more than hit 2 guys and holds a TV up), Iceman, Kitty, Cannonball, and Wolfsbane (who escaped from Sinister's lab and told the X-men whats going on with the Morlocks, she leads them to the tunnels and introduces them to Marrow and Chamber) I'd also like to toss in Longshot and/or Dazzler but it would get too crouded.

[Barrel05]

He's a possible theory:

Jean regains control and Gyclops is now out of it and dieing, Jean runs off to try and deal(chicks do that), along comes a shadowy figure and merely states "Quickly my son while we dont have much time" a blond man picks up Cyclops, his eyes open and a beam shoots straight into the blonde mans face but nothing happens, Cyclops mutters "....How......who are you" " Alex, my names Alex" he carries Cyclops away and the Shadowy figure turns and looks towards Jean off in the distance a Red Diamond on his forhead and says "Soon my dear Madelyne very soon" he smiles and walks away.

This could be the opening scene of X4

[Ontir]

Why is Scott's younger brother calling him "My son?"

Personally, given the events of X3, I'd just leave Scott dead. Bring Havoc in, and have James Marsden play him with a bleach job. Cycklops was sadly under-developed in this series, and his death serves its purpose in the film. Let him stay dead, and move on to a new character who doesn't have to have such a large stick up his tookas!

[atoningunifex]

The mutant “cure” has a failure rate of 75%. In addition, nearly half of the mutants who regain their powers are also gaining secondary mutations. There’s an undercurrent of anger growing in the mutant community. The X-Men, Charles Xavier’s team of mutant adventurers, have been fighting non-stop battles to protect mutants and humans from one another.

The new head of the Office of Mutant Affairs, a woman called only Sage, has been analyzing data collected by her Office. It seems that there’s a marked increase in the number of mutants in the population. The mutant “baby boom” and the increasing violence occurring between mutants and humans has the government pondering a new military force designed to deal with mutants.

The X-Men are exhausted. Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Shadowcat, Iceman and Mystique have been on the go constantly. The toll on the team is telling, tempers are frayed and disagreements about what to do next are starting to pop up. A now-powerless Charles Xavier has been running the classes, but the school is in danger of becoming a war zone as differing ideologies are at play amongst the students. Magneto Was Right t-shirts have been appearing with increasing regularity.

Bolivar Trask is traveling to the island nation of Genosha to meet with the three owners of Shaw Industries. SI is responsible for modifying existing Sentinel technology to create a faster, smaller Sentinel program- a program that has helped the Genoshan government to “control” its mutant populace. The three Directors- Sebastian Shaw, Emma Frost and Elisabeth Braddock assure Trask that they can create a Sentinel program for the U.S. Military in less than five weeks.

The Sentinels and the Hellfire Club (Shaw, Frost and Braddock) are the primary villains of the piece. The X-Men will be in conflict with both throughout the movie. In addition to that external conflict there are internal conflicts as well.

Storm and Mystique will work off of one another. They are basically the new Xavier/Magneto dynamic- but they’ve each compromised the visions of their mentors in some way.

Wolverine and Shadowcat are developing a somewhat antagonistic relationship. Kitty has the makings of an excellent combat leader and is a lot more aggressive than Wolverine thinks she should be. They both feel like outsiders at the school at times and their dynamic should be interesting to explore.

Rogue is no longer cured and her powers have boosted to the point where she only needs to be in general proximity to someone in order to start absorbing their memories and powers. She spends most of her time close to Leech, letting his powers act as a damper on hers. She and Sage will interact as Sage attempts to find a way to deal with Rogue’s abilities- eventually developing an inhibitor collar.

Charles, powerless and in his new body, and Iceman have both lost friends because of differing ideologies. Their conversations will help Bobby decide what action he should take at the end of the movie.

The Sentinels will be smaller, sleeker and more deadly. There should be a sense of real threat to the Sentinels.The Sentinel program- an outgrowth of increasing government paranoia, will be counter-balanced by the Hellfire Club, a group of mutants working to exploit the abilities of mutants for personal gain.

Elisabeth Braddock is an agent of Sage’s. The X-Men will never know that Betsy works for Sage. At the end of the movie Betsy will take sole control of Shaw Industries and there will be a hint of the Shadow King about.

Magneto will be a presence in the movie, but a hidden one. He will be referred to, speculated about and, at the end, revealed to be still powered and ready to resume his activities. Mystique will decide to stay with the X-Men rather than go to him. Iceman, however, will go to Magneto in an attempt to temper Magneto’s vision and to rehabilitate Pyro.

[RH_Duncan]

I agree for the biggest part but: If they do a Hellfire story they should include Sunspot and Selene too.

X-Men should be: Cyclops, Wolverine, Rogue (re-powered), Iceman, Shadowcat, Colossus and new member: Magma (if you think of the special effect she could be awesome). Beast will take Xaviers role as teacher. (He must stay with Moira) Storm has to die in the first 10 minutes of the movie by the hands of Psylocke and Sunspot

[Bishop_Proudstar]

He's a possible theory:

Jean regains control and Gyclops is now out of it and dieing, Jean runs off to try and deal(chicks do that), along comes a shadowy figure and merely states "Quickly my son while we dont have much time" a blond man picks up Cyclops, his eyes open and a beam shoots straight into the blonde mans face but nothing happens, Cyclops mutters "....How......who are you" " Alex, my names Alex" he carries Cyclops away and the Shadowy figure turns and looks towards Jean off in the distance a Red Diamond on his forhead and says "Soon my dear Madelyne very soon" he smiles and walks away.

This could be the opening scene of X4


Very, very good... So good that I hope you work with Zac Penn or Ratner, and just want to tease the fans.

I almost hate that you posted that...

Since it apears here, there is absolutely now way it would happen in "X4"..

I'm sure the creators have someone surfing the internet for the public opinions..

They will come across most of these ideas, and will never use them because they've been posted. Of course, nobody would know how close you are until the next one is released.

I have an assume being to "X4" as well, but I won't post it for this reason.