Uniform or costume.

[Zombienorthstar]

With the end of Morrisons run and the start of Whedons the debate has raged costumes or uniforms for the X-Men and why? I personally think this excnahe from New X-Men #114 shows the arguement fro both...then you guys can discuss lol



XAVIER: Thoughts on the new school uniforms

WOLVERINE: Suddenly i dont have to look like an idiot in broad daylight.

BEAST: I was never sure why you had us dress up like super heroes anyway, Professor.

CYCLOPS: The Professor though people would trust the X-Men if we looked like something they understood.

[The Lucky One]

Dude, don't revive a topic so 100% guaranteed to lead to raging debates and name-calling. That's like throwing a live grenade in the room. I know you don't mean to create strife, but seriously, you might as well start a thread asking who's better, Claremont or Morrison.

-D

[Affinity]

You failed to include the dialogue from Astonishing X-Men #1, though, explaining WHY they need costumes in the first place.

[Novaya Havoc]

I know you don't mean to create strife, but seriously, you might as well start a thread asking who's better, Claremont or Morrison.

Well, clearly it's Morrison, and thus -- uniforms.

We need more uniforms in our lives. I had them in Catholic school, and am now the better for it.
jkjkjk... sort of

[Gaveedra 6]

Dude, don't revive a topic so 100% guaranteed to lead to raging debates and name-calling. That's like throwing a live grenade in the room. I know you don't mean to create strife, but seriously, you might as well start a thread asking who's better, Claremont or Morrison.

-D
Then lets try and keep it civil! We're discussing superhero costumes. How seriously should we really be taking ourselves?

I loved the Quitely black leather designs and felt like it was heralding a whole new future for the X-Books. It never made sense to me that the X-Men would run around in spandex. - Especially, when they're not even "in action," the way alot of them now just wear their costumes around the school. That bugs me. Part of what drew me to the X-Men in the 80s was that they wore killer civilian clothes. The Quitely designs reminded me of that.

I also liked the concept that they were no longer "in" or "out" of costume. They were just themselves, and the leather duds were what they wore. It was part of their big coming out as mutants. "Mutant Fashion" was a cool Morrison idea that it worked with too. Their unique clothes were part of who they were, not just costumes meant to resemble more popular superheroes.

BUT
As I read the Morrison stuff I felt like I was missing the visual thrill of brightly colored spandex and bulging muscles. Superheroes are meant to be eye candy. As much as the intellectual part of my brain appreciated what Morrison and Quitely were doing, I kept feeling like I wasn't really looking at the X-Men. I couldn't see the new look being permanent. And once I saw a few other artists attempting to draw the Quitely designs, I was relieved they went back to spandex.

Also, from a pure marketing perspective, I couldn't see the leather look hooking younger readers or being as iconic down the road. Product sales, etc probably would have suffered if the leather stayed.

-I've been thinking about this whole thing since I saw a commercial for Six Flags with their new Justice League characters. Real humas wearing spandex. And they look all sorts of stoopid. It's part of the magic of comics that people can wear ridiculous things and look amazing. If they start dressing too realistically, something is missing.

[unkiedev]

Spandex only works in comic books. Can you imagine how awful these X-men movies would be if Wolvie was running around with his pointy cowel?

I REALLY liked the Quietly Uniforms and it made perfect sense to me. Unless it's Claremont/Byrne I do not like seeing the X-men wear 50 different colors and costumes amongst them. They all look so creepy when they are all wearing the same thing.

Stark, dark uniforms. Quietly had it right. The X-men should always look dangerous, creepy and powerful.

[Gaveedra 6]

Stark, dark uniforms. Quietly had it right. The X-men should always look dangerous, creepy and powerful.
It's interesting- The very original X-Men costumes sort of had that effect. Theyt were so simple and plain. Intentionally, I bet. If you were a civillian in that world and saw these guys, you would probably wonder if they were thugs, because they certainly didn't look like the Avengers.. It fits the feared-and-hated concept much better than the later bright colors.

Ultimate X-Men has a pretty good take on it. They look powerful and exciting, but with only the black and gold. That works, IMO.

[The Lucky One]

Well, clearly it's Morrison, and thus -- uniforms.

Aaaaand here we go.
:rolleyes:

Stark, dark uniforms. Quietly had it right. The X-men should always look dangerous, creepy and powerful.

No... no, he didn't, and no they shouldn't. They aren't the Authority, and no amount of wishing from Grant or anyone else will make them that. Despite Grant's assertions, it was far more wish than fact on his part that the X-Men carried an undercurrent of creepy menace in the Silver Age; in reality, they were simply a superhero team with a slightly different reason for existing than the Avengers. They're superheroes. They always have been. Let them be superheroes. Whedon has it right- when you're writing the X-Men, write the X-Men, costumes and all. You want to write a team of superpowered individuals who aren't superheroes? Awesome, I'll read it- create all new characters for it and call it Planetary. But don't alter what already exists and claim it's always been that way. That's the worst kind of temerity.

And there I go letting myself get dragged into it after all. Damn.

-D

[Titan76]

I love the uniforms and wish they were back. I don't care for costumes when it comes to the X-men. If I want costumes I will read the Avengers or some DC book. Not to mention nearly every X-men has had about 20 different costumes and most of them I don't like. In sort, I vote for uniforms.

[Gaveedra 6]

Aaaaand here we go.
:rolleyes:

No... no, he didn't, and no they shouldn't. They aren't the Authority, and no amount of wishing from Grant or anyone else will make them that. Despite Grant's assertions, it was far more wish than fact on his part that the X-Men carried an undercurrent of creepy menace in the Silver Age; in reality, they were simply a superhero team with a slightly different reason for existing than the Avengers. They're superheroes. They always have been. Let them be superheroes. Whedon has it right- when you're writing the X-Men, write the X-Men, costumes and all. You want to write a team of superpowered individuals who aren't superheroes? Awesome, I'll read it- create all new characters for it and call it Planetary. But don't alter what already exists and claim it's always been that way. That's the worst kind of temerity.

And there I go letting myself get dragged into it after all. Damn.

-D
I think you're just dragging yourself around Tyler Durden style. New X-men as a wannabe Authority or Planetary? Nah.

I know to us readers, they were never really that "creepy", but from the beginning, the X-Men were created to be outsiders. How "dark" they were just varied over the years. In New X-Men, the idea that mutants were a realistic subculture was played up more than ever. And you know what? By their very nature, sub-cultures can be scary and threatening to the rest of the population. The clothes were part of that.

What if the whole team followed Storm's lead in the 80s and went punk, prouldly wearing their outsider status on the outside? Romita Jr & Silvestri did that subtly with really unique looks for the X-men, but Morrison just sort of hammered it in.

[The Lucky One]

I think you're just dragging yourself around Tyler Durden style.

...I've been trying to wrap my head around this for the last few minutes. What does that even mean?

-D

[Gaveedra 6]

...I've been trying to wrap my head around this for the last few minutes. What does that even mean?

-D
That the terrible fighting is all in your head. ;)

[The Lucky One]

That the terrible fighting is all in your head. ;)

Ah. I'd like to say I can see how that applies to this situation...

-D

[90'sCartoonMan]

Well put, Gaveedra, I think you've addressed the main problem here.


I loved the Quitely black leather designs and felt like it was heralding a whole new future for the X-Books. It never made sense to me that the X-Men would run around in spandex. - Especially, when they're not even "in action," the way alot of them now just wear their costumes around the school. That bugs me. Part of what drew me to the X-Men in the 80s was that they wore killer civilian clothes. The Quitely designs reminded me of that.

They have no reason to wear their costumes around the school. I like seeing casual wear Scott while he's conducting business. It's even worse than some other teams (like the Fantastic Four, who are small enough so that we can see them in all sorts of clothes) because whenever you see an X-Man walking around in the background, they have to be wearing their costume.

As I read the Morrison stuff I felt like I was missing the visual thrill of brightly colored spandex and bulging muscles. Superheroes are meant to be eye candy. As much as the intellectual part of my brain appreciated what Morrison and Quitely were doing, I kept feeling like I wasn't really looking at the X-Men. I couldn't see the new look being permanent.

Very true. Enough of the X-Men look unique enough so you can tell them apart (Cyclops wears a visor, Nightcrawler's got blue fur, etc), but when talking about superheroes, you want their costumes to be as unique and individual as they are. And it makes the battles so much cooler. I remember in that mini series The Order (that followed Defenders) when all the hero teams went into action, it looked weird seeing The X-Men there with the Quitely costumes, they felt out of place. Like you said, it didn't feel permanent.

Also, from a pure marketing perspective, I couldn't see the leather look hooking younger readers or being as iconic down the road. Product sales, etc probably would have suffered if the leather stayed.

Marketing lately seems to be based off the Ultimate versions of all Marvel characters, and I do see a lot of Wolverine in his Ultimate costume. That feels weird to me. I don't know, though, maybe to young readers (who only play in the Ultimate sandbox), that WILL look iconic to them.

I've been thinking about this whole thing since I saw a commercial for Six Flags with their new Justice League characters. Real humas wearing spandex. And they look all sorts of stoopid. It's part of the magic of comics that people can wear ridiculous things and look amazing. If they start dressing too realistically, something is missing.

Not to mention the X-Men themselves at Islands of Adventure. Just look at pictures of Cyclops with the blue and the yellow sash...WOW, that looks so Halloween. A few heroes can pull the look off in live action (Spider-Man for one), but X-Men can't adapt directly. They're the last heroes that should. But then again, I'm a little disappointed when watching the movies. Jean and Iceman and especially Magneto don't look "larger than life" visually, so it's a bit of a let down.

[Xany Kaos]

I think I prefer the costumes. It was certainly more fun reading them with the costumes, and I miss Nightcrawler's old crimson V thing.

I kinda like a balance like costumey-uniforms. Some characters just look better, or at least more intresting, in a unique costume, others look better in something uniform, like the classic navy-and-a-gold-X, or the Generation X uniforms from the Dodson's run, and still others should probably be left in civvies even while they fight.

Wolverine...it makes sense that he would wear civvies, I think, or maybe the leather design, but I always liked the yellow spandex. Would look stupid as hell in a movie, but on the page, bright as it was, he made it look tough. That juxtasposition was intresting--this dark, ominous, rip-your-throat-out guy wearing this bright and cheery costume...with whiskers!

[Gaveedra 6]

Wolverine...it makes sense that he would wear civvies, I think, or maybe the leather design, but I always liked the yellow spandex. Would look stupid as hell in a movie, but on the page, bright as it was, he made it look tough. That juxtasposition was intresting--this dark, ominous, rip-your-throat-out guy wearing this bright and cheery costume...with whiskers!
The recent Romita Jr run on Wolverine was the first time I felt like the costume worked. JRJr really brought out all the angles in Wolverines costume and made it look all tribal and fierce, even if it was bumblebee yellow. The brown/tan one doesn't do much for me. Its just so plain, although I do think those colors suit wolverine. It just needs a better design.
And I loved him as Patch!

The Quitely leather style translates well on Movie Wolvie. I just wish they had him wearing that leather jacket OPEN. No matter what, Logan's not the kind of guy who buttons up all the way.

Again, I think the Ultimate black and gold design strikes an excecllent ballance.

[riotgear]

I like the idea of a uniform, similar to the idea of New Mutants, the original X-Men, or even the battle-costume they wore around UXM#273-5. However, in falling with the more realistic aspects of the way Marvel is trying to go these days, those uniforms wouldn't fly. I like the idea that they are more clothes that you could move in, see everyday, but still have a individual aspect to them, where you would see the outfit, and say, "Now THAT's so-and-so." Morrison, while I didn't really care for his stories, he had a good idea, he just didn't pull it off right, in my opinion. He and Quitely seemed to forget that while he was trying to pull off a more reality-based look, he was still working in a visual medium, and the grey-and-black with no real individuality to the uniforms gave a bland, almost bleak, that made the art monotonous (again, my opinion). One of the best representations I've seen of crossing that bridge in the last several years has been, believe it or not, Rachel Grey's outfit as Marvel Girl III. The only change I would have made is give her boots that went up and covered the knee (think Zealot's boots in the original WildC.A.T.s), giving her some form of protection as they always seem to be falling down and dodging blasts. I like the way Coipel has drawn his costumes, giving them seams (I didn't like Davis' new costume for Nightcrawler until Coipel added the seams in the front) and bend-folds, like normal clothes do at joints, etc. He was on to something with the way he drew Scarlet Witch and Ms. Marvel. The only thing I would've changed on Carol's costume is made it more with the color-scheme of the costume she is known for, complete with the sigil on her chest. There are costumes where spandex makes sense, like with acrobats like Nightcrawler. But where functionality makes sense, the visual medium needs to make sense as well, and leather doesn't make any more sense than spandex (unless your superpower is not to chafe). I would've given them more real clothing, but make them more individualized, where the personality of the clothing speaks for the character.

[Gaveedra 6]

I like the idea of a uniform, similar to the idea of New Mutants, the original X-Men, or even the battle-costume they wore around UXM#273-5. However, in falling with the more realistic aspects of the way Marvel is trying to go these days, those uniforms wouldn't fly. I like the idea that they are more clothes that you could move in, see everyday, but still have a individual aspect to them, where you would see the outfit, and say, "Now THAT's so-and-so." Morrison, while I didn't really care for his stories, he had a good idea, he just didn't pull it off right, in my opinion. He and Quitely seemed to forget that while he was trying to pull off a more reality-based look, he was still working in a visual medium, and the grey-and-black with no real individuality to the uniforms gave a bland, almost bleak, that made the art monotonous (again, my opinion). One of the best representations I've seen of crossing that bridge in the last several years has been, believe it or not, Rachel Grey's outfit as Marvel Girl III. The only change I would have made is give her boots that went up and covered the knee (think Zealot's boots in the original WildC.A.T.s), giving her some form of protection as they always seem to be falling down and dodging blasts. I like the way Coipel has drawn his costumes, giving them seams (I didn't like Davis' new costume for Nightcrawler until Coipel added the seams in the front) and bend-folds, like normal clothes do at joints, etc. He was on to something with the way he drew Scarlet Witch and Ms. Marvel. The only thing I would've changed on Carol's costume is made it more with the color-scheme of the costume she is known for, complete with the sigil on her chest. There are costumes where spandex makes sense, like with acrobats like Nightcrawler. But where functionality makes sense, the visual medium needs to make sense as well, and leather doesn't make any more sense than spandex (unless your superpower is not to chafe). I would've given them more real clothing, but make them more individualized, where the personality of the clothing speaks for the character.
I too like the current trend to give superhero costumes a semi-realistic look, with piping and seams. Cassiday on Astonishing is another great example. The suits appear more like "action wear" rather than spandex painted on naked bodies. Unfortunately, only some artists can really pull this off.
I liked the New X-Men: Academy X school uniforms designed by Michael Ryan. The uniforms seemed more influenced by sporting clothes that teens might actually wear than by corny superhero costume designs.

[Uncle Nobs]

The conflicting dialogue from New X-Men #114 and Astonishing #1 just goes to show how the X-Men must respond to their changing environment. Sometimes they need the world to see them as rescue workers, sometimes as colorfully clad superheroes. Just depends on the social climate--both in the MU and in reality.

I think the X-Men work best in uniforms like their original ones. Each costume should be personalized, but they should all be similar. When the X-Men appear, they need to be recognizable as a very distinct team, not as a random collection of spandex enthusiasts.

The important thing to make them mysterious, futuristic, otherworldly. They should make viewers a bit uneasy. These are not just superheroes. They are our replacements. They have powers that make no sense and can't be controlled. They are total unknown factors, literal X-factors, even to readers who think they know the characters inside and out.

The original 1963 costumes did this well, but of course they're a bit outdated. The Frank Quitely uniforms did this surprisingly well, but they do stray from classic superhero designs. (I liked them, but I also see the need to maintain at least some sort of classic superhero look.) The Jim Lee uniforms were too "standard superhero", nothing mysterious about them. The movie uniforms attempt to be futuristic and mysterious, but they come off a bit boring--just leather rompers.

Personally, I like masks, but in the comics these days, they have no need to protect their identities. I wish they did. Masks can be cool.

[Zombienorthstar]

I alwyas thought costumes made no sense as to me the X-Men werent super heros...theyre more like a police force/militant group....
When i think it works best is when the characters are given clothing that could be a uniform or costume such as this Rogue number.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny359.jpg

[Montopolis]

Costumes, its probably 'cause im fonder of the good ol days when the whole reason to have superpowers was to get a costume. Now a days everyone wants realism, I saw theese guys have a disciussion on if leather or canvas was practical for costumes???? now a days these kids are thinkin' what would make more sense, as if these characters were real. I dont care for that! I want my super heroes to look cool, and if that involves spandex so be it!!!:evilsmile

[Huzzah!]

Well, clearly it's Morrison, and thus -- uniforms.

We need more uniforms in our lives. I had them in Catholic school, and am now the better for it.
jkjkjk... sort of

Catholic schoolgirls... yummy



Well i think a lot of the anti uniform crowd probably comes from the fact that the artist who were drawing them...well it was very blah. Salvador Larocca pulled them off, and the so did the x-men

Ultimately i say costumes. ANd here is why. Comics these days are trying to insert realism into a fantasy world and pumping that for drama, it doent work. Wolverine wears that damn costume of his, bumblebee yellow and all in his personal life, and even as his only clothes. It doesnt make sesne for him to have that sentiment. Plus, really, leather clothes and an exposed hairy chest? Thats supposed to be what makes you not look like an idiot? Also switching to leather and kevlar doesnt make sense practically as their superhero costumes are stronger than any body armor.

Also in addition to that,uniforms arent really in agreement with continuity too much. Xavier doesnt want mutants to look like the come out of a factory, thats why he gives them unique costumes, to regress that seems wierd.


Instead of trying to bring realistic aesthetics into a fantasy world, a much better way to handle it would be to handle the fantasty world realisitcally. Superheroes have been a part of the cultural landscape of this world for 60 some odd years. Those they consider the best of humanity wear costumes. The public would be more adverserly responsive to a "lets wear leather" stuff or Luke Cages "i dont feel like trying" costume. Uniforms at the end of the day are just uniform costumes really. Plus that whole bomber jacket thing got played out by the Avengers in the 90s.

Although i wouild like to see the New X-men uniform return, i only want Cannonball to wear it, along with his ace pilot googles. He would like quite awesome rocking it.

[Montopolis]

Amen Huzzah, if I ever need a lawyer I want you on my side.

[Huzzah!]

i actually want to see human fashion get influenced more by superheroes in the marvel universe.

Have normal people wearing Cockrum esk funky clothes

Go -Go boots

the works.

[lonewolf23k]

Spandex only works in comic books. Can you imagine how awful these X-men movies would be if Wolvie was running around with his pointy cowel?

...And considering we're talking about the comics, the problem is where?

...Seriously, I think the costume/uniform thing doesn't need to be a Black or White issue. Originally, the X-Men costumes were designed to be uniform in design: Cyclops' costume was similar to Beast's, Angel's and even Marvel Girl's costumes. This helped unify the feeling that these characters were a team, not just a group of individuals. This feeling was reused with X-Factor.

I think they should bring back team uniform costumes, perhaps a modernized form of their original costumes..

[Ontir]

I loved Quitely's uniforms, and I was very happy with the re-design of the old school uniforms that Claremont and Lee brought in, just before the second book was added, and tehy all got new costumes again.

[rwsmith]

I'd like to see costumes/uniforms somewhere in-between the ones they're sporting now and the Quitely ones. The ones they've got now go too far towards the old school spandex with underpants on the outside, whereas the Quitely ones were a little too non-distinct for my taste (I feel the same way about the Ultimate ones).

I'd like to see something in the middle. Black leather-ish, but with different colored piping and patterns on each character's suit. And no mask for Wolverine or Cyclops. It really serves no purpose as neither have secret identities that they're trying to protect.

[froma]

My vote would be keep the Astonishing team in hero costumes and move one of the other two titles back to the uniforms. Scott's team is the public group of X-Men, so the costumes are fitting. I'd love to see one of the other two teams become more of a police force--kind of like what was being done at the end of X-Treme, but not as sucky--and return to the more uniform look.

[Syzygy]

Wolverine dressed in yellow and black, just like a bumblebee....

GAKK!

Put down my vote for uniforms.

Peace,
Syzygy

[Syzygy]

I have just made a personal resolution.

From now on, I shall wear my underpants on the outside, just like a superhero.

Pretty, bright blue ones, just like Wolverine!

Woo-hoo!

Peace,
Syzygy

[Montopolis]

I have just made a personal resolution.

From now on, I shall wear my underpants on the outside, just like a superhero.

Pretty, bright blue ones, just like Wolverine!

Woo-hoo!

Peace,
Syzygy
Dude dont do that, I tried that once , The Fuzz didnt think it was funny, but the 20 dudes I had to share a cell with did. Boy that was a fun night!!!:(

[Huzzah!]

Hey wolverine became cool in his bubble bee uniform


Morrison made him look like a ponce with that uniform, exposed hair chest goatee travesty

Plus...the reason superheroes wear underwear on the outside is because the costumes are so tight, if they didnt you would see the contours of their g-units

[Montopolis]

Hey wolverine became cool in his bubble bee uniform


Morrison made him look like a ponce with that uniform, exposed hair chest goatee travesty

Plus...the reason superheroes wear underwear on the outside is because the costumes are so tight, if they didnt you would see the contours of their g-units
It also keeps Northstar at bay.

[Sam T.]

I like costumes better. Its why I read comic books!!:D

[Marty4Magik]

Same here.

The biggest no for me is that a uniform is dull to look at pretty fast...I like the different costumes of the many characters.

[Xany Kaos]

From now on, I shall wear my underpants on the outside, just like a superhero.

Heh, like Quailman!


I hafta admit, I liked what they did in the movie, where everyone had similar uniforms with different colored trim.

But it looked bad in the dark dark fight scenes. Even though it's not technically smart for a fight, uniforms should be a little brighter and more noticable just so it looks better on a page. Unless they're ninjas.

[Affinity]

I think that the Morrison/Quitely designs were fun for their run, but it wouldn't work too well outside of that. After their run, which was realistic to the max, I think the X-Men returned to the whole superhero aspect, not the covert military group.

That said, the Quitely designs were a lot of fun and the colors, grey black yellow, was a cool combination. They looked great under Quitely's pencils, and I still love them a lot, but I think that Larocca accomplished the whole uniform-yet-costume thing with the X-Treme X-men's costumes. I'm talking about their first costumes...look at the cover to number one. As diverse as the costumes are, it still looks like the X-Men and they are definitely a team. They nailed it in terms of the costumed-uniform.

I like costumes, though, even if it doesn't make sense. But I agree with people that they should be in casual clothes out of battle. No doubt.

[Mariah]

I think when they're at the school, they should be in uniforms, they should all look alike, but when they go on missions, they should have costumes. sure, you can spice up the uniforms a little bit, but to be honest, the quietly uniforms made me vomit. I would never wear that at a school, i would seriously drop out. So, if you did something with all that, but didn't make them ugly. And seriously, who wears platform wedges anymore? Get a freakin clue man!!

[Huzzah!]

the students should wear the quietly uniforms, with skirts for girls naturally

and the x-men should wear costumes


theres the comprimse.

Ah

thats settled

[Montopolis]

the students should wear the quietly uniforms, with skirts for girls naturally

and the x-men should wear costumes


theres the comprimse.

Ah

thats settled
Definitely, I agree with ya, you either make a good point or I cant say no to that damn avatar of yours. Uniforms in school are essential for a good education it teaches you youre as meaningless as the next guy. although as for the girls it sounds great, specially if the girls get those nice plaid skirts.

[Zombienorthstar]

Definitely, I agree with ya, you either make a good point or I cant say no to that damn avatar of yours. Uniforms in school are essential for a good education it teaches you youre as meaningless as the next guy. although as for the girls it sounds great, specially if the girls get those nice plaid skirts.


i too am convinced by the space pirate and his delicate moustacios...

[rwsmith]

That said, the Quitely designs were a lot of fun and the colors, grey black yellow, was a cool combination. They looked great under Quitely's pencils, and I still love them a lot, but I think that Larocca accomplished the whole uniform-yet-costume thing with the X-Treme X-men's costumes. I'm talking about their first costumes...look at the cover to number one. As diverse as the costumes are, it still looks like the X-Men and they are definitely a team. They nailed it in terms of the costumed-uniform.

I agree. The X-treme costumes are pretty much exactly the type of compromise I was talking about. I believe Salva designed those.

Personally, I'm hoping that Salva will be taking over Ultimate X-men after Tom Raney and that he'll redesign those costumes, which I've always found boring.

[DDM]

I alwyas thought costumes made no sense as to me the X-Men werent super heros...theyre more like a police force/militant group....
When i think it works best is when the characters are given clothing that could be a uniform or costume such as this Rogue number.

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/covers/uncanny/uncanny359.jpg


Rogue's Uncanny X-Men #359 costume is the exact same one she debuted in Avengers Annual #10:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/5484/GGAA10.JPG

[Will.S]

I think that the Morrison/Quitely designs were fun for their run, but it wouldn't work too well outside of that. After their run, which was realistic to the max, I think the X-Men returned to the whole superhero aspect, not the covert military group.

That said, the Quitely designs were a lot of fun and the colors, grey black yellow, was a cool combination. They looked great under Quitely's pencils, and I still love them a lot, but I think that Larocca accomplished the whole uniform-yet-costume thing with the X-Treme X-men's costumes. I'm talking about their first costumes...look at the cover to number one. As diverse as the costumes are, it still looks like the X-Men and they are definitely a team. They nailed it in terms of the costumed-uniform.

I like costumes, though, even if it doesn't make sense. But I agree with people that they should be in casual clothes out of battle. No doubt.
Agree wholeheartedly.

[Huzzah!]

destiny is quite bold showing that much flesh for a 100 year old lady.

Plus her helmet looks suspeciously like another type of helmet

[DDM]

destiny is quite bold showing that much flesh for a 100 year old lady.

Plus her helmet looks suspeciously like another type of helmet

Due to her mutant genes, Irene Adler's body is that of a 30 year old; whereas, her face is that of a 80 year old woman.

[Huzzah!]

really? I guess that explains the mask

[Madrox84]

Well myself i preferred the uniforms, i did however prefer the Larroca designs over the Quitely ones... Call me mad if you will, but i liked the way the Larroca designs were a mix of traditional superhero-esque costumes and the leather uniforms of the movie.

[Serik]

The great thing about comic books is that Wolverine can look awesome in the yellow and blue get up. If Hugh Jackman had the look in the films, they would've bombed. :D

I say keep the costumes - they're part of what makes comics, well, comics. Though I agree that at the school they shouldn't be dressed in their brightly colored spandex.

[Foley]

I agree with Huzzah. The whole individual costume should only be granted once you've graduated to the big leagues. Otherwise, suck it up, and wear your catholic schoolgirl/boy outfit. Besides, I can't wait to see the boys' faces in flying class when the girls are learning to fly in their little skirts :)

[Zombienorthstar]

Due to her mutant genes, Irene Adler's body is that of a 30 year old; whereas, her face is that of a 80 year old woman.


Shes actually quite old though right?

X-treme X-Men shows her in Victorian dress....

[Doom Hammer]

I liked the uniforms. Then again, I liked most of the changes made under Grant's run. The uniforms, the establishment of a mutant culture, the wannabe mutants (U-Men), the broadening of the X-books beyond the inevitable Magneto versus Xavier struggle, pretty much everything.

It seemed like an organic growth from the X-books; the X-Men and the world had moved on. I don't mind the X-Men losing their costumes because to me, they're more than super-heroes. They're a persecuted and oppressed people whose motives are driven by their desire to make the world better, and that makes them more real that the Avengers.

It's all been blasted to hell since then, but it was fun while it lasted.

[Madrox84]

I liked the uniforms. Then again, I liked most of the changes made under Grant's run. The uniforms, the establishment of a mutant culture, the wannabe mutants (U-Men), the broadening of the X-books beyond the inevitable Magneto versus Xavier struggle, pretty much everything.

It seemed like an organic growth from the X-books; the X-Men and the world had moved on. I don't mind the X-Men losing their costumes because to me, they're more than super-heroes. They're a persecuted and oppressed people whose motives are driven by their desire to make the world better, and that makes them more real that the Avengers.

It's all been blasted to hell since then, but it was fun while it lasted.

I'd have to agree with the majority of that statement...

[streator]

I liked the uniforms. Then again, I liked most of the changes made under Grant's run. The uniforms, the establishment of a mutant culture, the wannabe mutants (U-Men), the broadening of the X-books beyond the inevitable Magneto versus Xavier struggle, pretty much everything.

It seemed like an organic growth from the X-books; the X-Men and the world had moved on. I don't mind the X-Men losing their costumes because to me, they're more than super-heroes. They're a persecuted and oppressed people whose motives are driven by their desire to make the world better, and that makes them more real that the Avengers.

It's all been blasted to hell since then, but it was fun while it lasted.
nicely put.
i too prefer uniforms over costumes but i don't think the change is all that significant.

[Montopolis]

nicely put.
i too prefer uniforms over costumes but i don't think the change is all that significant.
Uniforms make sense in movies and such, but comics should have costumes its part of the fun of them, you know the visuals and such, of course its a new time nbow a days and I guess change could be good, but I still like the costumes.