New Fantastic Four Members Speculation [Archive]

Siddon

04-10-2006, 12:41 PM

Ben
Johnny
Reed
Sue

Will be no more after the Civil war and we will lose 2 of these players and will get 2 new Fantastic four members.

What we know is it will be one of the following pairs to take over

She-Hulk/Hawkeye - The title She-Hulk is in major trouble but the character has be revitalized over the last two years. She-Hulk was a former member of the Fantastic Four and the Avengers have so many street level heros right now bringing in Hawkeye may not make to much sense. It would not shock me if Dan Slott doesn't take over the FF this year.
Luke Cage/Jessica Jones - The Pulse died out this year after Jenkins pulled out so Marvels premiere couple is without a home. The couple could find a home in the Baxter Building.
Black Panther/Storm - Black Panther is in major trouble to survive next year as Hudlin may in fact leave the title to take over at B.E.T. Storm is odd woman out with the X-men but is still Marvels number 1 girl. Black Panther has a real shot at being put on this team with maybe Hudlin as the writer.
Silver Surfer/Galactus - Out of the blue team but..... the rumor is that both will be in the next movie so its not so out there that the Surfer could be on the team. Also from Anhillation Reed does have some strong ties.

So we have questions

Question 1. Which two members of the Fantastic Four are leaving
Question 2. Where are they going
Question 3. Who will be the team to replace the missing members
Question 4. What will be the creative team on this book
Question 5. Will the Fantastic Four be pro or anti registration

Brian Cronin

04-10-2006, 12:48 PM

My bet is that Johnny is injured during Civil War, and Reed and Sue temporarily split up over Civil War.

So Reed/Ben plus the two others or Sue/Ben plus the two others.

I think Reed/Ben is the best bet.

Reed/Ben/Black Panther/Storm sounds most likely to me.

Gives Marvel's new high-profile couple a high-profile book.

Also, by sending Johnny away due to injury (and Sue to take care of him, or anger at Reed), it makes it a perfect temporary change, until some later writer wants to bring the team back together.

-Brian

Mo S.

04-10-2006, 12:59 PM

I'd buy that 2 members might be (temporarily) leaving the FF after the end of Civil War, to be briefly replaced by two others - Tom Brevoort did say, over in the Civil War Q&A thread here on CBR, that after Civil War the FF will be made of of 4 people with superpowers, so that either leaves out the She-Hulk/Hawkeye pair or means someone else as Hawkeye (or Hawkeye in his Goliath ID - talk about a HUGE step backward for the character!)

Tom B also made a comment about the possibility of a Reed/Sue divorce....

Zombienorthstar

04-10-2006, 01:38 PM

Id much rather sue stay than Reed...shes a much cooler character i feel. And if Luke and Jessica join i think itd be interesting to see them all interact.

or if Sue does go id like tos ee her on a quite high profile team not wearing a giant four for once.

BlackKnight

04-10-2006, 02:13 PM

Ok I don't think it will be Cage/Jones, for one simple reason, I don't think Bendis will let them go from New Avengers, it is possible but I doubt it.

Storm/BP- I doubt these two, because Marvel seems to be setting them up to be stars not a part of a team, but again anything is possible.

Sliver Surfer/Human Galatcus- First surfer is involved in Annhilation, and I think marvel is going for reventing the cosmic level heroes so bring him to earth is a little strange. Second I thought human Galatcus left earth. I maybe wrong there.

She-Hulk/Hawkeye-the one that I can't find any reasons for them not being on the team. The only think is the Civil War Q & A thing that Ryho mentioned.

As for who I think will leave, I think it will be Sue and johnny for the many reasons mentioned in previous posts.

Kevinroc

04-10-2006, 02:22 PM

According to a post I saw Tom Brevoort make, Stormbreaker happens after the end of Waid's FF run. So Galactus isn't even "human" anymore.

I think it is She-Hulk and Hawkeye that join The Fantastic Four.

BlackKnight

04-10-2006, 02:34 PM

agrich

04-10-2006, 03:08 PM

Will.S

04-10-2006, 03:13 PM

I don't have much problems with She-Hulk and Hawkeye joining the FF but I'd have to wonder about the uniforms. She Hulk's is easy since she's had a FF one already but Hawkeye is harder unless he uses the same type of costume as his purple one but with swapped out colors such as making the purple black.

Brian Cronin

04-10-2006, 03:13 PM

It is one of those pairs.

It was in the most recent Wizard.

-Brian

Zombienorthstar

04-10-2006, 03:18 PM

I love how so many people want Jessica Jones to be part of a superhero team just weeks after she has a baby. I mean, she GAVE UP superheroing years ago, now she's going to decide it's a great time to join the Fantastic Four or the Avengers? Let the woman at least have the standard 12 weeks before she starts risking her life again. Besides which, where are the scenes in the entire runs of Alias or The Pulse where there was even a hint that she wanted to be a superhero again?

Do we KNOW it will be one of the pairs mentioned above? I mean, couldn't it be, I dunno, Namor and The Wasp or something?

Id like it to be Wasp and Namor but Wizard gave us the above pairs as options.

The events of Civil War could be such a struggle that Jessica may be forced to take up super heroing again. Plus i think in terms of the team dynamic Luke and Jessica would be the best...maintaing that the FF are a family metaphor and using the human comedy of im married with kids and ive gotta save the world

Evil-Spidey

04-10-2006, 03:19 PM

She-Hulk/Hawkeye

i want that team!(or silver surfer and galactus but that would be a little strange...)

Mo S.

04-10-2006, 03:21 PM

It is one of those pairs.

It was in the most recent Wizard.
:rolleyes:

And we trust Wizard to be absolutely 100% correct in all future predictions?

Zombienorthstar

04-10-2006, 03:22 PM

It was done with Mark Millar...so yes i do trust them.

Siddon

04-10-2006, 03:35 PM

:rolleyes:

And we trust Wizard to be absolutely 100% correct in all future predictions?

Yes, IIRC they told the truth with IC when they did the same damn thing.

The person who died was 1 of the four options, the person who got knocked up was one of the options, the person who was left powerless was one of the options(and a real shocker), the person who became mayor was one of the options and the team that ended was one of the options.

So yes they are telling the truth here.

Chocolove

04-10-2006, 03:36 PM

Question 1. Which two members of the Fantastic Four are leaves

Torch could be a feint, so I'm going to go ahead and say Reed and Ben as a seemingly longshot.

Question 2. Where are they going

Reed goes to Mexico to be known as Señor Fantástico and Ben is isolated to his solo in an effort to bump sales.

Question 3. Who will be the team to replace the missing members

Silver Surfer/Galactus -- Longshots ahoy.

[QUOTE]Question 4. What will be the creative team on this book

*shrug* But I imagine it would be someone 'new', if not JMS with the book being retitled or renumbered or something.

Question 5. Will the Fantastic Four be pro or anti registration

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Bearpod91

04-10-2006, 04:26 PM

Here's how it goes: "The Storm's storm away as storm comes in to play" :D

But really I think both Johnny and Sue will leave, and that Shulkie and Hawkeye will replace them. And the new FF will definitly be Pro-Registration. But I wonder how Hawkeye will return...hmm.

dingo

04-10-2006, 04:32 PM

What we know is it will be one of the following pairs to take over

She-Hulk/Hawkeye - The title She-Hulk is in major trouble but the character has be revitalized over the last two years. She-Hulk was a former member of the Fantastic Four and the Avengers have so many street level heros right now bringing in Hawkeye may not make to much sense. It would not shock me if Dan Slott doesn't take over the FF this year.

She-Hulk is not in any major trouble at all. Dan Slott has said as much in interviews given in the last fortnight. As for Dan Slott taking over FF, he can't do it, he has enough trouble producing 2 books a month. The only way he could take over the FF is if one of Thing or She-Hulk got canned, which I would conceede is possible

Luke Cage/Jessica Jones - The Pulse died out this year after Jenkins pulled out so Marvels premiere couple is without a home. The couple could find a home in the Baxter Building.

Could happen, but I am not so sure that it would be a good idea to move Cage. If the Avengers split up into two teams then you would want as many of the current line-up on each team as possible.

Black Panther/Storm - Black Panther is in major trouble to survive next year as Hudlin may in fact leave the title to take over at B.E.T. Storm is odd woman out with the X-men but is still Marvels number 1 girl. Black Panther has a real shot at being put on this team with maybe Hudlin as the writer.

I would be pretty worried about Hudlin's blatant disregard for continuity. I am not sure he would "play nice".

Silver Surfer/Galactus - Out of the blue team but..... the rumor is that both will be in the next movie so its not so out there that the Surfer could be on the team. Also from Anhillation Reed does have some strong ties.

This would come out of nowhere wouldn't it?

So we have questions

Question 1. Which two members of the Fantastic Four are leaving

Well the first one has to be Sue or Reed because there have been huge hints to a breakup.
If it is Sue the most likely second is Johnny, I can't see him being happy working with Reed during a separation.
If it is Reed it is even money on the second person.

Question 2. Where are they going

It doesn't really matter, could you work with a spouse you are separated from?

Question 3. Who will be the team to replace the missing members
See above
Question 4. What will be the creative team on this book
Almost certainly JMS. Why remove a big name that quickly?
Question 5. Will the Fantastic Four be pro or anti registration

Half and half

Will.S

04-10-2006, 04:35 PM

dingo

04-10-2006, 04:40 PM

So will the final team be more like Mr. Fantastic, Thing, She-Hulk, Hawkeye?

Reed basically owns the Baxter building so I don't see him moving out and Hawkeye fits the "arrogant jerk" slot Johnny has quite nicely. The only details left are wether She-Hulk, Thing, and Hawkeye are for registration with Reed.
If Reed is there then the whole team would have to be Pro-registration wouldn't it? I can't see him breaking up with Sue over an issue but then fighting the government to allow an unregistered team member.

Will.S

04-10-2006, 04:44 PM

If Reed is there then the whole team would have to be Pro-registration wouldn't it? I can't see him breaking up with Sue over an issue but then fighting the government to allow an unregistered team member.
Heh true but it's still all just speculation on my end.

Siddon

04-10-2006, 05:38 PM

She-Hulk is not in any major trouble at all. Dan Slott has said as much in interviews given in the last fortnight. As for Dan Slott taking over FF, he can't do it, he has enough trouble producing 2 books a month. The only way he could take over the FF is if one of Thing or She-Hulk got canned, which I would conceede is possible

Shulkie seems all but sold that it is going seasonal as with Runaways, Marvel is expanding and the lowier tier books are going to have problems. Both titles are getting major boosts but She-Hulk won't be around in 3 years unless it starts to gain readers. As for Thing.... Its in major trouble and might make it to 12.

I would be pretty worried about Hudlin's blatant disregard for continuity. I am not sure he would "play nice".

I don't think Hudlin disregarded continuity I just think BP was a character who needed a major make-over and Hudlin did it.

This would come out of nowhere wouldn't it?

It makes a lot of sense if it is temp because of the movie and because of the big spoiler in Annihilation is Annihilus is the baddie. Annihilation isn't going to really start up till the end of the year. Surfer could be a permanent part of the team for a few years. Ben Sue Reed Silver Surfer isn't that bad of a line-up. With Wizard's quiz about who would be powerless everyone thought it would be Booster or Flash and it turned out to be Superman so I would put this pretty high up there

It doesn't really matter, could you work with a spouse you are separated from?
See aboveAlmost certainly JMS. Why remove a big name that quickly?
Half and half

If they want Sue or Reed or Ben or Johnny to be an Avenger or New Warrior than it sure would. As for JMS he has two big titles right now I don't think a writer can do three biggies at one time for to long. Plus you have a ton of talent you don't want to let go in Slott, Hudlin, Bedard and Kirkman. I think JMS was an interim writer

riotgear

04-10-2006, 05:41 PM

I don't think Hudlin disregarded continuity I just think BP was a character who needed a major make-over and Hudlin did it.

You mean other than the fact that his mother is alive, he now has a full-grown sister, and Radioactive Man is a white Russian?

Siddon

04-10-2006, 06:21 PM

You mean other than the fact that his mother is alive, he now has a full-grown sister, and Radioactive Man is a white Russian?

Does any of that really matter..... Black Panther also isn't dieing from a brain tumor. It happens and it sucks but BP is B-list if he wants to be A-list then they need to make huge changes. Can you imagine how bad Daredevil would be if Frank Millar didn't completely redo the character and add things in. The fact that Marvel is behind making it a priority to make positive minority characters mainstream is a big plus in my eyes and maybe one of the best decisions Joe Q has done since his reighn begain.

superhornet34

04-10-2006, 06:27 PM

richjb77

04-10-2006, 06:47 PM

that most people don't seem angered over breaking up the four. I think Marvel is doing the right thing. basically the same 4 characters have been in stories for over 40 years and sales werent all that great. So i think this will be a shot in the arm for the book. Im thinking Johnny will be injured and reed sue will die.

They are not killing Reed and Sue...That doesn't make sense...They have a movie franchise now...you now the "band " will get back together by FF part 2..

Reed and Ben are staying and here is why:

1) the team needs a leader and nobody else can lead this team..plus since they handle a lot of "science" stuff they need the Brainiac..

2) Ben is the comic relief...they need him for that...he balances out Reed..

3) Reed was one of the men responisble for the Hulk's "situation"..he needs to be around when Banner returns and knocks down the baxter building...Then Sue and Johnny will return after the Hulk knocks Reed into a coma..

Forget about the civil war...the return of the Hulk is going to be nasty

Edward J Cunningham

04-10-2006, 07:05 PM

Shulkie seems all but sold that it is going seasonal as with Runaways, Marvel is expanding and the lowier tier books are going to have problems. Both titles are getting major boosts but She-Hulk won't be around in 3 years unless it starts to gain readers. As for Thing.... Its in major trouble and might make it to 12.

By virtue of the fact that Jennifer is a female character, that already makes it highly unlikely her book will last 100 issues. Spider-Girl has only done so because of massive write-in campaigns by her fans, and her book is still getting canned. So I can easily see that 36 issues in, this run may end, and it will be a very good run for a female character. Spider-Woman and Ms. Marvel will also be lucky to last that long.

However, She-Hulk is not in trouble NOW. The sales are stable, and Dan Slott is already making long-term plans for this book which will include The Reckoning War. When the book's sales eventually slide off into the danger zone (and unless Marvel is willing to support a low-selling female title no matter what like DC does with Wonder Woman this will eventually happen to EVERY Marvel book headlined by a solo female character) Dan will rally the troops like he is doing with The Thing. But She-Hulk is not in "serious trouble" yet. Save your ranting for Ben's book, not Jen's.

Eddie Cunningham

maniacmatt

04-10-2006, 08:06 PM

Have y'all seen this:
SPOILERS:
FANTASTIC FOUR: A DEATH IN THE # 1

THE STORY:
The Invisible Woman is dead! As Reed cradles his murdered wife, lost in grief, and Ben rampages after Sue’s killer, Johnny defiantly decides to do whatever it takes— no matter the cost or consequence— to see his sister alive again. What he does will change the way the Fantastic Four look at him forever. “A Death in the Family”-- not a dream, not a hoax... and not to be missed. Includes bonus Fantastic Four issue #245!
END SPOILERS.
That's right from www.marvel.com folks. So we know who dies and we know Reed isn't going to do much.

Brian Cronin

04-10-2006, 08:11 PM

The one shot, though, is not to be about someone dying, it is to be about what someone will do to get someone BACK from death.

So, likely, Johnny/Ben/Reed is going to do SOMEthing really drastic, which will also help come departure time.

In addition, when Lois Lane broke up with Superman back in the late 90s, one of the lead-ups to it was how Superman was willing to let Lois die rather than give in to the Joker. Lois understood him, but you could tell it definitely drove a wedge into their relationship. I think the same thing might happen here, as Sue sees how Reed reacts to her death.

-Brian

Haunt

04-10-2006, 08:12 PM

Does any of that really matter..... Black Panther also isn't dieing from a brain tumor. It happens and it sucks but BP is B-list if he wants to be A-list then they need to make huge changes. Can you imagine how bad Daredevil would be if Frank Millar didn't completely redo the character and add things in. The fact that Marvel is behind making it a priority to make positive minority characters mainstream is a big plus in my eyes and maybe one of the best decisions Joe Q has done since his reighn begain.

it would be so easy to work the brain tumor in, though. the gaffs in Hudlin's run could be attributed to T'challa's slow descent into madness.

maniacmatt

04-10-2006, 08:17 PM

Haunt

04-10-2006, 08:24 PM

Yeah, but no one here seems to be acknowleding that we know that Sue will die.

yet another reason for Namor to go apesht.

marvelboi77

04-10-2006, 08:33 PM

I hope Reed goes bye bye. My favorite time for the Fantastic 4 was when he was dead for 3 years, and Sue was the team leader. I hope She-Hulk joins up with Invisible Woman at the helm. :D

CMBMOOL

04-10-2006, 08:39 PM

I betting it Sue and Ben who will leave the FF:

Sue: Over her and Reed disagreement during Civil War

Ben: FOr him finding out about the Hulk Exile and getting mad at Reed for doing it. Then Walking out on reed.

Johnny might stay to remain the hero that he is. So it is really She-Hulk rejoining the FF with Hawkeye in the tow. :p

richjb77

04-10-2006, 08:58 PM

dingo

04-10-2006, 11:06 PM

Ben can't leave and I don't think She- Hulk will rejoin the team...The reason why?? It has been done before...

Ben has walked on the FF about 50 -60 times..blah blah blah...I'm a monster...blah blah blah..Alicia hates me..whatever

and he always comes back...and She-Hulk has been on the team before..If they are going to change the team they should do something different...my vote is for Spider-man...leaving the Avengers and joining the FF...I know it won't happen..but you never know...

Ben has never left the team at a time when he was not human.

Luke Cage took over when he was human
Sharon Ventura took over when he was human
She-Hulk took over when he decided to stay on battle world and stay human.

The only time he really "decided" was the She-Hulk time.

I am really starting to be sure it has to be She-Hulk and Hawkeye when I look at the Solits for She-Hulk 9:

THE STORY:
“My SPOILER with SPOILER”
Read SHE-HULK #8 yet? Bet you didn’t see THAT coming, didja? Wild, huh? Spiraling out of the end of last issue’s CIVIL WAR crossover, She-Hulk’s life will NEVER be the same again! Sure, OTHER books SAY that all the time. But when have WE ever said it over in the SHE-HULK book? Really. Trust us, WE’RE good for it.
So... After She-Hulk and SPOILER went and SPOILERED, it’s time to deal with the fall out! And that leads to a SPOILER with SPOILER!!! Miss this one, and you’ll be kicking yourself in the CENSORED for months!
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

richjb77

04-10-2006, 11:49 PM

Ben has never left the team at a time when he was not human.

Luke Cage took over when he was human
Sharon Ventura took over when he was human
She-Hulk took over when he decided to stay on battle world and stay human.

The only time he really "decided" was the She-Hulk time.
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99

That is not exactly true...I am talking about the many times that ben has been pissed and wandered away from the team...sometimes it only lasts an issue..sometimes longer...maybe not enough for them to name an official team member but Ben has a history of losing his cool and going to get air...

my point is that Ben leaving is predictable...it is in his character to get really emotional about something and leave...the others not so much

dingo

04-10-2006, 11:56 PM

That is not exactly true...I am talking about the many times that ben has been pissed and wandered away from the team...sometimes it only lasts an issue..sometimes longer...maybe not enough for them to name an official team member but Ben has a history of losing his cool and going to get air...

my point is that Ben leaving is predictable...it is in his character to get really emotional about something and leave...the others not so much

I am thinking and as far as I can remember the last time he did that was issue 355, about 15 years ago...

Effect

04-11-2006, 12:22 AM

If they are going to keep the family dynamic in the Fantastic Four with two characters leaving (and maybe coming back, death in a comic isn't always 100% final) I'd think it would be Luke and Jesscia now that they are married and already have a daughter.

If the family dynamic isn't really a major concern then all bets are off I think. I doubt it will be Storm and BP though. Actually I have a very good feeling it won't be them. Mainly due a sales point of view. I see them using Storm for another X-men story over FF. BP's sales are to low I think. Where as with She-hulk you have the Hulk connection and Luke Cage is a New Avenger which is what Marvel's top selling title right. Then there is Jessica that has been the star of two titles already, married to Luke and they have a family which could play off of FF family or what's left of it.

With the Heroes of Hire series being announced a lot of people might think Luke might be going to that but it would be a nice twist if he didn't and ended up with the Fantastic Four, even for a little while.

KNICKNEVIN

04-11-2006, 01:46 AM

According to upcoming solits, one of the FF will be in the hospital. Wizard asked the question, which of these heroes will be in a coma, and Johnny is one of the options. So Johnny is one of the replaced 4 and Sue would be the other to look after him.

She-Hulk and Hawkeye would be my choices as it will help out Dan Slott's books as he can work closely with JMS to have a continuity going between the 3 books, and Hawkeye (who'll probably turn out to be the new Daredevil) will join up as he'll not want to rejoin the Avengers

richjb77

04-11-2006, 07:47 AM

I am thinking and as far as I can remember the last time he did that was issue 355, about 15 years ago...

When it happened isn't the point..the charcter is the point..Suppose Captain America flipped out at something Iron Man says ( not civil war related) and throws a punch at him..that is out of character...that would lead to many tales about what stress has caused Cap to snap and leave the NEw Avengers....

...Now suppose Wolverine snaps at something Iron Man says and goes at him....no big deal...no big story...he does that all the time...that is his character..

.Ben is very emotional and him leaving the team would not be that big of a deal story wise...he would be LIKELY to leave given his condition and his temper...Marvel wants to shock readers...Susan and Johnny would be a shock...Susan more because she is the heart and soul and it would mean her marriage is in danger...that is good story telling...

You have to think in terms of sales and shock value..What would matter to the public..what will get them a page spread in Wizard..

Bashful Benjamin

04-11-2006, 11:36 PM

I can´t really imagine him being on the team, but didn´t Joe Q. said that Ares will join a major team after his mini? I think it will be Avengers, but the FF splitting up would be at least one more possibility...

Babylon23

04-12-2006, 12:05 AM

dingo

04-12-2006, 12:29 AM

Which of the replacement options is correct really does depend on which team members are leaving. If Ben goes, then I can see either She-Hulk or Cage stepping in again. If Reed goes, then the team needs a genius scientist, which would most likely mean the Black Panther.

Personally, I'm hoping the Black Panther and Storm join, with Reed and Sue taking a break.

I think that both points are not necessarily true and were proven at the same time. Back from about issue 305 - 325 the team functioned well with two power houses (Ben and Sharon Ventura) and only half a genius (Sharon was very intelligent).

Of the two though I would say that the team needs a genius to keep the sci-fi feel of the FF. But two powerhouses works well. The Avengers often had two or more...some of the interactions were great too Thor/Hercules, She-Hulk/Hercules etc.

StoneGold

04-12-2006, 12:41 AM

I think that both points are not necessarily true and were proven at the same time. Back from about issue 305 - 325 the team functioned well with two power houses (Ben and Sharon Ventura) and only half a genius (Sharon was very intelligent).

Worked so well, they brought back Reed and Sue.

Truth is, every time they replace a member, it's only so that you miss the member enough that you feel better when they bring them back.

dingo

04-12-2006, 01:04 AM

Worked so well, they brought back Reed and Sue.

Truth is, every time they replace a member, it's only so that you miss the member enough that you feel better when they bring them back.

Well that is kind of a given isn't it?

The FF are Reed Sue Ben and Johnny.

The whole foundation of the team is that they are a family. You can't just recruit members of a family like the Avengers do. The closest you could do is have someone around as a supporting cast member for so long they feel like family.

Cthulhudrew

04-12-2006, 10:27 AM

Which of the replacement options is correct really does depend on which team members are leaving. If Ben goes, then I can see either She-Hulk or Cage stepping in again. If Reed goes, then the team needs a genius scientist, which would most likely mean the Black Panther.

Galactus is a genius scientist, too- probably moreso than Reed. Seems to me the Surfer was once a scientist on Zenn-La, although this aspect of the character is pretty much always ignored.

I think it would be kind of cool to see Galactus and Norrin join the FF, myself- enough so that I'd probably pick up the title again to read about them. Don't think it will happen, but it would be cool.

DoubleShot

04-12-2006, 11:14 AM

Um... how about...

Sue
Johnny
Franklin (young)
Valeria (young)

or um the old Fantastic Four team of...

Ghost Rider
Hulk
Spiderman
Wolverine

or

Sue
Johnny
Namor
and (pick one) She-hulk, Crystal, Medusa, Ant-Man, Ms. Marvel, Lyja...
I think that's everyone else that's been in the roster with the current team (well, except the alledged son of Doctor Doom)

Seriously though. I think if any members stay it will be either:

Reed/Ben
or
Sue/Johnny
Don't see much of a mix-up than that

As you can tell I'm hoping for Sue/Johnny

Heck if it's a family feel how about...

Black Panther
Storm
Luke Cage
Jessica Jones

dingo

04-12-2006, 11:22 AM

Luke Cage and Sharon Ventura were on the team too.

Shellhead

04-12-2006, 12:16 PM

Question 1. Which two members of the Fantastic Four are leaving
Question 2. Where are they going
Question 3. Who will be the team to replace the missing members
Question 4. What will be the creative team on this book
Question 5. Will the Fantastic Four be pro or anti registration

1. & 2. I don't know who is leaving, and it doesn't matter much, since we all know this is temporary. Since all except for the most ridiculous choice of replacements include a woman, it's safe to say that Sue is one of the two leaving. If Johnny does something extreme to bring her back to life, he is probably the other one leaving. Since they are brother and sister, maybe they will go back to their hometown. Central City?

3. She-Hulk and Hawkeye seem unlikely, but less unlikely than the alternatives. Hawkeye usually wears a mask, which is unusual for the FF, but he doesn't really have a secret identity.

Luke will definitly be in Heroes for Hire, so he and Jessica are not joining the FF.

Black Panther is the king of Wakanda, so it's unrealistic to expect him to abandon his duties and move in with the FF. Both times that T'challa was active with the Avengers for an extended time, somebody tried to overthrow the Wakandan government.

Silver Surfer and Galactus are NOT joining the FF, and it's extremely silly to argue otherwise. What are they going to do when Galactus gets hungry again... order some pizzas?

4. Don't know.

5. Don't care.

Scarlet-Spider

04-12-2006, 12:55 PM

What we know is it will be one of the following pairs to take over

She-Hulk/Hawkeye - The title She-Hulk is in major trouble but the character has be revitalized over the last two years. She-Hulk was a former member of the Fantastic Four and the Avengers have so many street level heros right now bringing in Hawkeye may not make to much sense. It would not shock me if Dan Slott doesn't take over the FF this year.
Luke Cage/Jessica Jones - The Pulse died out this year after Jenkins pulled out so Marvels premiere couple is without a home. The couple could find a home in the Baxter Building.
Black Panther/Storm - Black Panther is in major trouble to survive next year as Hudlin may in fact leave the title to take over at B.E.T. Storm is odd woman out with the X-men but is still Marvels number 1 girl. Black Panther has a real shot at being put on this team with maybe Hudlin as the writer.
Silver Surfer/Galactus - Out of the blue team but..... the rumor is that both will be in the next movie so its not so out there that the Surfer could be on the team. Also from Anhillation Reed does have some strong ties.

So we have questions

Question 1. Which two members of the Fantastic Four are leaving
Question 2. Where are they going
Question 3. Who will be the team to replace the missing members
Question 4. What will be the creative team on this book
Question 5. Will the Fantastic Four be pro or anti registration

I think that Sue will leave to take care of her little brother Johnny, that's almost a given, leaving Reed and Ben. I agee that the Fantastic Four will alwasy be the First Family of Marvel and the canidates that were listed in Wizard mag are all credible except one, Surfer and Galactus. Whoever goes will definately be temporary though.

She-Hulk/Hawkeye: She-Hulk has history for replacing Sue in the past which would make her a good asset to the team. Hawkeye will fill the void for Johnny from Personality up. The chemistry between him, Reed, and Thing would be priceless, and being on the Four could get him out of the Avengers shadow a bit.

Luke Cage/Jessica Jones: I believe Cage was a member once too, not sure though for I haven't really followed the Four. But I think he is pretty content being an Avenger, and I don't think Jessica will become Jewel again, plus they have a newborn and a marriage coming up.

Black Panther/Storm: Like above they have a marriage coming up, and since it will probably be the biggest wedding in Marvel history they way they are hyping it up. It would be great to see them on the team and keep the Family aspect alive. Panther has history with the Four like everyone else, but being a married couple is the only thing that would make them fit in. It seems like they would be better in their own right.

Human Galactus/Silver Surfer: Come On....these two are too powerful to even be on the damn planet!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah they started in Fantastic Four, but why would they join, plus Anniliation has better plans for these two so they are out of the running. Marvel is doing a good job putting the cosmic characters in their own playground.

Question 1: Sue and Johnny are gone...for a while.
Question 2: The Storm will be in a hospital, Sue taking care of Johnny after he is attacked.
Question 3: My Vote goes to She-Hulk/Hawkeye, they have the best reason to be there.
Question 4: I don't know.
Question 5: The world knows who the Fantastic Four are anyway so I think they will be Pro Registration. But it may not matter with them.

Castaway

04-13-2006, 07:01 PM

I hope Reed goes bye bye. My favorite time for the Fantastic 4 was when he was dead for 3 years, and Sue was the team leader. I hope She-Hulk joins up with Invisible Woman at the helm. :D
I agree... how soon we forget that before the Onslaught garbage, Tom Defalco was crafting some really orginal FF tales, ones that JMS couldn't touch with a 10 foot pole...

Haunt

04-13-2006, 07:18 PM

why don't they have Yellowjacket and the Wasp join temporarily?

Edward J Cunningham

04-13-2006, 08:21 PM

Luke will definitly be in Heroes for Hire, so he and Jessica are not joining the FF.

Marvel just announced the roster for the new H4H and Luke Cage is NOT going to be on that team. So it is possible he and his new wife Jessica will be on the FF. As a long-time She-Hulk fan, I hope Jen returns, though...

Eddie Cunningham

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Shellhead

04-13-2006, 09:03 PM

Marvel just announced the roster for the new H4H and Luke Cage is NOT going to be on that team. So it is possible he and his new wife Jessica will be on the FF. As a long-time She-Hulk fan, I hope Jen returns, though...

Eddie Cunningham

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The other strike against the Luke/Jessica theory is that they are just now getting married and having a baby, so that seems like a really bad time to join a super-group and fight bad guys. When Sue had Franklin, she took a long leave of absence from the team, with Crystal and then Medusa filling in for her.

Edward J Cunningham

04-14-2006, 03:15 AM

The other strike against the Luke/Jessica theory is that they are just now getting married and having a baby, so that seems like a really bad time to join a super-group and fight bad guys. When Sue had Franklin, she took a long leave of absence from the team, with Crystal and then Medusa filling in for her.

But that was when Franklin was born during the 60's. When Valeria was born (she's the one with the ponytail in my signature), Sue took NO time off and there was no replacement member. I agree with you that it doesn't make sense for a woman who has quit being a superheroine for several years to become active NOW just after giving birth to her first child, but common sense sometimes takes a back seat in comic book stories...

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Kirayoshi

04-15-2006, 10:26 AM

Of the four suggested replacement teams, oddly enough, Storm and Black Panther seem the most likely. Luke and Jessica, they'll either stay with the Avengers or take some time out to be together with their daughter. Silver Surfer's gonna be tied up with Annhilation for awhile, so he and Galen are out. And should Ben remain with the team, She-Hulk would be redundant, as she and Thing would be essentially the team's bricks. Besides, if Reed and Sue are indeed heading for a split, one of them's gonna end up hiring Jennifer to represent them in court, so wouldn't that be a conflict of interests?

How cynical have we become that everyone assumes that Reed and Sue's marriage will end after Civil War? Actually, another possibility is that Reed and Sue will be at odds during Civil War, but after the story arc ends they decide that they still love each other and they've invested too much into their marriage up to this point to let it end over a political disagreement. They may decide to take an extended leave from the FF in order to patch up their marriage, leaving Johnny(who should be recovered by this point) and Ben to deal with the new team members. Seriously, they're the one couple in comics that most people agree should be together. If Joe Quesada's gonna split up anyone for good, it'll be Peter and MJ!

X-Ray

04-16-2006, 09:24 PM

Ben
Johnny
Reed
Sue

So we have questions

Question 1. Which two members of the Fantastic Four are leaving

My Answer: I hate to any of them go, but if I had to pick 2 that could use the brake, it would be Reed and Sue,

Question 2. Where are they going

My Guess: ...they need to be a family for awhile without all the action getting in the way.

Question 3. Who will be the team to replace the missing members

My pick: A married Black Panter and Storm, keep the family part of FF there.

Question 4. What will be the creative team on this book

My Responce: I don't care and wont read it til Reed and Sue return.

Question 5. Will the Fantastic Four be pro or anti registration

My guesses: Thing against
Johnny for
Sue against
Reed for

This my take on Four.

Zombienorthstar

04-17-2006, 06:03 AM

I think it makes more sense if your trying to fill the Reed Sue vacuumme to add in Luke and Jess that way you dont loose the fmaily dynamic...Quesada is constatnly emphasising the importance of the books concept in interviews...the FF concept is a family of super heroes...She Hulk and Hawkeye wouldnt provide that.

Dark Savant

05-25-2006, 07:00 AM

This is a speculation based on the Civil War Trivia in Wizard 175.

Assuming the question and given answers to be right, I come to the following:

Q 10: Which Character (singular) will switch sides during Civil War?

Mr Fantastic, Spider-Man, Wolverine or Sue

Looking at the given pictures we have to go with spidey.

Q 1: Which pair of heroes will join the FF after CW?

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones / Human Galactus and Silver Surfer / Storm and Black Panther / She-Hulk and Hawkeye

With this given we basically know two members of the FF will leave and two will join, so that there will be four. Regarding q 10 and assuming Sue not to switch sides, we have Ben and Johnny leaving the group. Then She-Hulk would replace the Thing and Hawkeye the Human Torch and regarding their fighting tactics they wouldn't change that much.
Looking at the other given answers and once again assuming that one is right, it seems obvious to me.

Your comments, please.

drwho

05-25-2006, 08:36 AM

Q 1: Which pair of heroes will join the FF after CW?

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones / Human Galactus and Silver Surfer / Storm and Black Panther / She-Hulk and Hawkeye

Your comments, please.

Okay this is my analysis.

Luke Cage and Jessica Jone- Luke was a temporary member before. If the Thing does leave the book he could replace his strength. Jessica I don't know what she could bring to the team to be honest. I just cant see this working out plus I think Jessica would be too busy with the baby.

Human Galactus and Silver Surfer - I thought this was the coolest idea of them all. But Galactus is shown normal again in Annihialation. Plus they dont have any part in the civil war.

Storm and Black Panther- I'm going to say I think this couple is most likely to. Reason is Tchalla has a strong F.F. connection. Characterwise he could have a role similar to Reed. It could bring more reader to his book. Storm is a popular character and needs to be doing more then hanging around Tchallas harem. This could also promote mutants being part of something positive.

She Hulk and Hawkeye- She Hulk does have a connection to the ff. Could replace the Things strength. Could draw more readers to her book. I honestly cant think what Hawkeye could bring to the team. Mr. Fantastic is always team leader so if he sticks around then he and Hawkeye will butt heads.

I think Marvel is being misleading so my theory is that Sue and Reed will leave the team to try to get their marriage back together. Johnny in coma is a red herring. Would rather see Crystal instead of Storm

My new FF:

Black Panther, Storm, Thing, Torch

dingo

05-25-2006, 08:50 AM

Here is something I posted elsewhere....

A civil war quiz (possibly from Wizard magazine) has been doing the rounds that contains the following question.

Which pair of heroes will join the Fantastic Four after Civil War?

With the options...

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, Human Galactus and Silver Surfer, Storm and Black Panther, She-Hulk and Hawkeye
Looking at them one at a time we have,

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones- Not likely as Jessica has given up the heroing and has a new born child, and I can't see Bendis giving up his new toys that easily. Having said that Luke has been an FF member before.
My guess - 10% likely

Human Galactus and Silver Surfer- Pffft. The FF does not take the worst mass murderer in history into their ranks, even if he is above good and evil.
My guess - 0% likely

Storm and Black Panther- Looked like a possible choice until I saw a question about whether they would come to the U.S. to deal with Civil War answered 'no' by Mr Brevoort himself. So now the only hope for them is if the FF move to Wakanda. Not likely.
My guess - 0% likely (now)

Which leaves us with...

She-Hulk and Hawkeye- Looking better and better mostly by ellimination of rivals. It would be great to see She-Hulk back in the FF.
Plus with the cover art for FF 540 showing Ben with his bags packed, there may be room for a powerhouse on the team.
My guess - 90% likely

Good to see She-Hulk back in the FF, and Hawkeye would make a great addition.

drwho

05-25-2006, 09:04 AM

She-Hulk and Hawkeye- Looking better and better mostly by ellimination of rivals. It would be great to see She-Hulk back in the FF.
Plus with the cover art for FF 540 showing Ben with his bags packed, there may be room for a powerhouse on the team.
My guess - 90% likely

Good to see She-Hulk back in the FF, and Hawkeye would make a great addition.

And covers have not been misleading before? Also question says will join after civil war. I have problems seeing Hawkeye's use against aliens. Would be disassembled all over again.

dingo

05-25-2006, 09:06 AM

And covers have not been misleading before?

razzin frazzin Doom, razizin frazzin holding Mjoliner :mad:

Red Lotus

05-25-2006, 10:25 AM

I thought at first it would be Hawkeye and She Hulk. But when Tom was asked for a hint he jokingly said they would have four super powered members. Since I love to read between the lines (even when the only thing there is blank space:D ) maybe that wasn’t a joke and it was a hint. Hawkeye isn’t Super powered so now I’m thinking its Storm and the Black Panther. and Since the new team would start after Civil War is over then Strom and the Black Panther can come over and not have to deal with Civil War.

Storm is a popular character and needs to be doing more then hanging around Tchallas harem.

She needed a break from the X-men and it just so happen that break included shagging the Black Panther.

Tony Starkz

05-25-2006, 10:42 AM

She-Hulk and Hawkeye make the most sense.BP and Storm are going on a World Tour after the wedding.

drwho

05-25-2006, 10:54 AM

She-Hulk and Hawkeye make the most sense.BP and Storm are going on a World Tour after the wedding.

It would make more sense to see Hawkeye on an Avengers team, or that new Alpha Flight book. Also having Black Panther and Storm could be a happy couple while Reed and Sue have became angsty as of late.

jam37wcc

05-25-2006, 11:03 AM

Storm and Black Panther- Looked like a possible choice until I saw a question about whether they would come to the U.S. to deal with Civil War answered 'no' by Mr Brevoort himself. So now the only hope for them is if the FF move to Wakanda. Not likely.
My guess - 0% likely.

The thing that you have to remember though is that they always try to be tricky with their words. So they might not be coming to the U.S. to deal with Civil War. They might be coming to deal with Reed and Sue leaving the FF.

drwho

05-25-2006, 11:29 AM

Do we know for a fact that 2 origianals will stick around or will they try a New Avengers style revamp?

Effect

05-25-2006, 11:35 AM

I'm thinkin the choice comes down between Luke Cage/Jessica and Human Galactus/Silver Surfer.

If both members are going to be super powered then that gets ride of Hawkeye and Black Panther. As I understand it neither of these two have super powers but are just well trained and use technolgy, ala Batman and Iron Man.

As far as Human Galactus is concerned (granted don't know much about her (it is a her right?)), we don't know what the fallout of Annilation will be. Also I don't think there was anything said about when the Fantastic Four would get the new members. There is still enough time between now and when both Civil War and Annilation ends for things to change. Especailly for Luke and Jessica when it comes to Civil War and the New Avengers issue that focuses on them during the war.

Luke and Jessica always seemed to me to be the best choice. Jessica and Sue are friends. Luke has been a FF member before. Mean they are know each other, respect each other, and are friends and have similar allies. Fantastic Four is a family style group and title. Both couples have children. Jessicas could change her mind and the FF style of super heroing isn't the normal kind I think and she might mesh would it a bit better. I'm sure Luke wouldn't mind it. Thsi would give whoever is doing the stories time to expand on Luke and Jessica's newborn and also Franklin and his sister.

Just my feelings on it. If it was me I'd be adding these two to the team and then moving Bendis over to it. With the way he does character interaction I think it'd be a major hit.

drwho

05-25-2006, 12:22 PM

When was it revealed that Sue and Jones are friends?

I had a weird idea, but why not have 2 new titles come out of the Civil War storyline.

Id call one book

The Fantastics which would be original run renamed-Which would star Reed, Sue, Torch, and She Hulk

The I'd start a new Four book which would be made of characters that deal with the most flack from Civil War

Team would be: Thing, Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Speed Ball.

Black Panther would be a supporting member.

Effect

05-25-2006, 12:45 PM

When was it revealed that Sue and Jones are friends?

I believe it was one of the later issues of the Pulse I think, Jessica went out to lunch with Sue and I think Carol (Ms. Marvel). From what I remember seeing, they were all talking about families, giving birth, being a mother, etc.. They all seemed to be friends from how it looked.

drwho

05-25-2006, 01:34 PM

Is there any books continuity that Jessica Jones hasnt been forced in? Also why in the world would Sue and Ms. Marvel go out to lunch? I'm thinking its time for the whole Jessica Jones thing to go away in a poof of smoke. Next thing we will learn is that Cyclops dated her once. I kind of feel the opposite about Luke and Jones team. The F.F. only needs one main couple. 2 is overkill plus what can jessica jones do against Dr. Doom. Stories about little kids get old fast. Plus I dont want my FF reading like an episode of Seinfeld.

20yrslater

05-25-2006, 02:28 PM

I don't see it as much of a stretch that three very prominant female heroes would be friends. Sue has been invited to join the Avengers at least one time (the famous head-shot cover from the early 80s). In that issue, it was shown that She-Hulk, Sue, Carol, the Wasp, etc. clearly knew each other.

In fact, if you use the Wasp as the 6 degrees of seperation, it's ighly plausable that Carol, Suem and Jessica would know each other, and be friendly. Spider-Woman, She-Hulk, Black Widow, Jessica, and I am sure more have all been Avengers at one point, and would certainly have that in common.

This is one of the best parts of the Marvel Universe, the interaction of different characters, and the idea that they may have lives and even support groups off-panel.

CyberCoyote

05-27-2006, 08:00 PM

Well, She-Hulk isn't a terrible member, she's been there before. And it's been said that Hawkeye might not be Hawkeye when he finally comes back. He could join the team with a new identity, maybe using some gagets designed by Reed. Clint's a good replacement for Johnny, spittin' out the wise cracks, Jen for Ben. Then we'd have Reed and Sue staying, and that seems to be the opposite of what we expect.

Then again, maybe nothings going to happen to the line up.

Haunt

05-31-2006, 02:13 PM

BlackKnight

05-31-2006, 02:32 PM

Nobbel

05-31-2006, 02:46 PM

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones: They could join as replacements of Thing (Luke) and Toorts (Firestar) but that would be bor=ing since the powers are equally to them and it wouldn't add anything to the FF-books

Human Galactus and Silver Surfer, I don't think so, they just don't fit in.

Storm and Black Panther would be the best choice. Totally unexpected and for both Blackpather, Storm and the FF a great development. If they go on board they probably take the places of Sue and one of the guys

She-Hulk and Hawkeye are not suprising if the join, at least She Hulk did it once before, but she has her own book that's doing well so I doubt they will

My best guess (and hopes) are on Storm and BP

Haunt

05-31-2006, 03:08 PM

Where did you find this out?

some guy at comixfan saw it in a solicit; accidentally leaked.

Huzzah!

05-31-2006, 04:51 PM

If it isnt Wolverine im going to be disappointed.

Susan Storm is really the only member of the team that has to be there since she connects the other 3.

You could kill 2 of them easy and bring in some replacements.

I doubt the reed sue marriage will break up, or she will be widowed. But that would be the best way to get some new blood into the book.

Mr. Fantastic is the weak link storywise.

Edward J Cunningham

05-31-2006, 05:20 PM

i'm surprised that no one has mentioned it but...

***YOUNG AVENGERS SPOILER***

Kate Bishop is taking the name "Hawkeye." so that pretty much eliminates SheHulk and Hawkeye being the two new members of the Fantastic Four. that leaves Storm and T'challa or (i think) Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. so, who will it be?

Question

I'm still not sure how this eliminates "She-Hulk" and "Hawkeye" from consideration. Besides, it would not surprise me if Kate Bishop is "Hawkeye" in Young Avengers and Clint Barton joins the FF with Jennifer. Marvel fans never allowed poor Scott Lang to become Ant-Man in their eyes, and I doubt they will let anybody other than Clint become Hawkeye.

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Darksbane

06-01-2006, 12:17 PM

Bobster777

06-18-2006, 05:11 PM

According to Wizard, there will be big changes to FF as a result of the CW (which may mean new members). If you had to replace two members, who would you replace and with what characters? This would be my dream team.

Invisible Woman
The Thing
Thor
She-Hulk

drwho

06-18-2006, 09:37 PM

If anyone leaves I believe it will be Reed and Sue to patch up thier marriage. I can't really see Marvel breaking up thier "first family" I think the Thing leaving is a red herring.

Drakenred

06-18-2006, 09:48 PM

And covers have not been misleading before? Also question says will join after civil war. .

not only have the Covers been misleading, but a lot of the Covers they did in reguards to Civil war have been Fake covers.

Especialy right now the Spiderman ones.

Bobster777

06-18-2006, 11:49 PM

If anyone leaves I believe it will be Reed and Sue to patch up thier marriage. I can't really see Marvel breaking up thier "first family" I think the Thing leaving is a red herring.

Hmm, that's a great possibility. I don't see them taking out both characters though. I mean, either Reed leads the team or Sue does, well, that's the way I see the FF. Doesn't mean it's going to happen that way.

Huzzah!

06-18-2006, 11:56 PM

Sue is the only one that really cant leave, she's too crucial to the family

Bobster777

06-18-2006, 11:59 PM

Sue is the only one that really cant leave, she's too crucial to the family

I'm not really too good with FF history. Has Sue ever been off the team at all? Which member was gone when that Nova girl was on the team?

Huzzah!

06-19-2006, 12:01 AM

I have no idea either...probably though

However she is the one that brings the other 3 together. The glue and such

Bobster777

06-19-2006, 12:04 AM

I have no idea either...probably though

However she is the one that brings the other 3 together. The glue and such

Yeah, true. It would be weird to not have her on the team. Although, there was this one shot comic book while back (don't know if it was what if). Nate Grey went crazy and killed most of the super heroes so Spider Man, The Hulk, Wolverine, and Ghost Rider became the new FF. It was pretty cool. Still, the original is the best.

Drakenred

06-19-2006, 12:04 AM

I dont think you could consider her to be on the team when she was Malice.

Huzzah!

06-19-2006, 12:08 AM

Her dead the FF becomes far too much like My 2 dads

then reed will have to grow a mullet

Meta 05

06-19-2006, 01:14 AM

I vote for wolverine, come on its obviouse.He is everywhere else at one time every month.He is the perfect fit for the Fantastic fours empty spot.
::IS KIDDING::
I WANT SHE HULK/ OR JUSTICE to have the spot.

Berkey

07-18-2006, 08:12 PM

You think the civil war is going to split up the FF. It looks as though Sue and Reed are going to have diffrent views which could make them split and Grimm appears to be siding towards the Anti SHRA. I mean I can see them ending the FF the comming out with either a New FF or just another volume

CyberCoyote

07-18-2006, 08:27 PM

I don't think they'll try to make a gimmick renumbering like they did with Avengers Dissed. The FF have had shake ups before and replacement members. Well, so has the Avengers..but..uh..:rolleyes:

Bobster777

07-18-2006, 09:40 PM

Yeah, I don't think they have to rename the book. In a year or two, the original team will be back together.

Jkid099

07-18-2006, 09:42 PM

Sue's going to get "busy" with Namor.

... yeah, I said it.

jester1436

07-19-2006, 12:44 AM

I'm not really too good with FF history. Has Sue ever been off the team at all? Which member was gone when that Nova girl was on the team?

Crystal and Medusa have both subbed for Sue in the past. In the 80s there was a line-up made up of Thing, Human Torch, Ms. Marvel/She-Thing, and Crystal. And of course Sue and Reed briefly joined the Avengers too.

I think it'd be interesting for Sue to join an on the run team after Civil War, though I'm not sure how Franklin and Valeria would get along...

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 01:00 AM

Crystal and Medusa have both subbed for Sue in the past. In the 80s there was a line-up made up of Thing, Human Torch, Ms. Marvel/She-Thing, and Crystal. And of course Sue and Reed briefly joined the Avengers too.

I think it'd be interesting for Sue to join an on the run team after Civil War, though I'm not sure how Franklin and Valeria would get along...
Oh, thanks for the info jester1436.

Yeah, I'm really pulling for Sue to run the team as well. However, the more realistic thing in my book is that Sue and Reed will go away for a while to patch up their relationship after CW. This will leave three spots open for the team since I think either Thing or Human Torch will die (all speculation on my part though).

lament

07-19-2006, 01:22 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Sue go on the run. If it happens, though, I think she should leave the kids behind. I'm not saying that to be harsh. I just think taking two kids on the run would be problematic.

As for the thought of Ben or Johnny dying...please no. Especially not Johnny. And besides, if the writers replace three team members, I'm not sure I could get on board with that. I've prepared myself for two team members to leave temporarily, but three leaving would pretty much trash any feeling of family for the book.

Kirayoshi

07-19-2006, 01:28 AM

Yeah, true. It would be weird to not have her on the team. Although, there was this one shot comic book while back (don't know if it was what if). Nate Grey went crazy and killed most of the super heroes so Spider Man, The Hulk, Wolverine, and Ghost Rider became the new FF. It was pretty cool. Still, the original is the best.I think that was an issue of Wolverine written and pencilled by Erik Larsen(the X-Books were doing an alternate future month with their issues at the time). And the line-up was based on a three-issue story by Walt Simonson and Art Adams where a Skrull impersonating Sue conned Wolverine, Spider-Man, Ghost Rider and Hulk into forming a new team to aid her in some task or other. Fun story, really.

I figure Reed and Sue will end up spending some time apart. But they have way too much invested in their marriage to simply end it over politics. There will be a reconciliation in the long run. The FF don't really work without the four founding members. Whenever one or more is replaced, it always feels incomplete.

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 01:34 AM

I figure Reed and Sue will end up spending some time apart. But they have way too much invested in their marriage to simply end it over politics. There will be a reconciliation in the long run. The FF don't really work without the four founding members. Whenever one or more is replaced, it always feels incomplete.

I totally agree with you. It will be cool to see what dynamic the new members bring to the team, but it shouldn't last. In terms the original members returning, it's going to be very complicated if Ben or Johnny die. I just have this itching feeling that one of them will be making a big sacrifice.

lament

07-19-2006, 01:36 AM

The FF don't really work without the four founding members. Whenever one or more is replaced, it always feels incomplete.

I agree. A couple of team members taking some time away from the team is okay, but in the end, I want the original four back together (with a decent writer).

dingo

07-19-2006, 01:49 AM

I figure Reed and Sue will end up spending some time apart. But they have way too much invested in their marriage to simply end it over politics. There will be a reconciliation in the long run. The FF don't really work without the four founding members. Whenever one or more is replaced, it always feels incomplete.

I thought She-Hulk worked out pretty well.

Then maybe the period with Reed, Sue, Johnny and Sharon Ventura. Perhaps that doesn't really count though because Ben was hanging around as a kind of mascott anyway.

Of course you are right saying it has to go back in the end, but it seems that a bit of time with a different team serves to underline just how well the original four characters work together.

daniel2099

07-19-2006, 01:55 AM

dingo

07-19-2006, 02:12 AM

as noted by reed when cage took bens spot for a small time
the fantasic for must conprise 4 super powered persons

so black panther stom only one has super powers
sufer glatis comitet to analtion

she hulk hawkeye (does the new hawkeye have any super powers)
she hulk clint he used the name glothie a long time ago this means
this set could work

jones and cage both have super powers so this set is in the runing too

jones atared in the aleise book
we find about the purpel man did to her
give ms.marvels history with marcus
and sues with phyco man
they being freind or at lest confdont makes sence

I think that perhaps you are putting too much credence to something a character said in the early seventies. There is nothing at all about the FF that requires that the members must have super powers. If anything the requirement that they be a family is stronger.

And no, Hawkeye does not have any superpowers.

Rollo_Tomasi

07-19-2006, 09:22 AM

my pick is Black Panther and Storm. I think Marvel will replace one married couple with another.

Haunt

07-19-2006, 03:50 PM

Tchalla asked about Johnny and basically warned Reed that he was losing Sue in the recent issue of Civil War. i think the new Fantastic Four is going to be Black Panther, Storm, Human Torch, and ?.

drwho

07-19-2006, 03:53 PM

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 09:28 PM

survey says Thing
I have an itching feeling that Thing is going to die. I just think his death would be one that would hit every corner of the Marvel U.

drwho

07-19-2006, 09:32 PM

If he does happen to die it wont be for long. Doesnt the F.F. 2 movie come out next year?

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 09:38 PM

If he does happen to die it wont be for long. Doesnt the F.F. 2 movie come out next year?
Ha ha, yeah, true. But then again, I don't think it will affect the movie much if he is dead. I want to see him come back, but not for a while.

Pheonix-NoRelation

07-19-2006, 10:01 PM

Tchalla asked about Johnny and basically warned Reed that he was losing Sue in the recent issue of Civil War. i think the new Fantastic Four is going to be Black Panther, Storm, Human Torch, and ?.

Haunt, I think you're on the right track but I don't think the Black Panther will join the FF. That's b/c Panther said that he doesn't want to interfere with anything that is happening in the US. My guess is Human Torch, Clint Barton, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Seems odd, I know but...

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:05 PM

Haunt, I think you're on the right track but I don't think the Black Panther will join the FF. That's b/c Panther said that he doesn't want to interfere with anything that is happening in the US. My guess is Human Torch, Clint Barton, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Seems odd, I know but...
man, that will be great story to tell as to how Clint makes it to FF let alone how he comes back to the MU.

drwho

07-19-2006, 10:12 PM

As a staunch long standing F.F. supporter no way in hell would I buy a book with that cast.:evilangry

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:17 PM

As a staunch long standing F.F. supporter no way in hell would I buy a book with that cast.:evilangry
Like you said though, it won't last. The FF just isn't FF without Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben. There was a post here that said it best. The new lineup will basically just highlight what is so good about the original.

Haunt

07-19-2006, 10:19 PM

Haunt, I think you're on the right track but I don't think the Black Panther will join the FF. That's b/c Panther said that he doesn't want to interfere with anything that is happening in the US. My guess is Human Torch, Clint Barton, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones. Seems odd, I know but...

you make a good point. but who says that the FF will be based in the US? :)

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:26 PM

you make a good point. but who says that the FF will be based in the US? :)
Ha ha, that would be crazy. It's hard for me to imagine how any writer could make that work. (the FF crimefight in the day, then take a jet back to Wakkanda later that night. :D )

Haunt

07-19-2006, 10:28 PM

Ha ha, that would be crazy. It's hard for me to imagine how any writer could make that work. (the FF crimefight in the day, then take a jet back to Wakkanda later that night. :D )

i was just thinking that since the team has always been about exploration they might be exploring. then again, the techno-jungle isn't that different from the FF headquarters. both are tech heavy. maybe Tchalla would be very handsoff in this version.

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:33 PM

i was just thinking that since the team has always been about exploration they might be exploring. then again, the techno-jungle isn't that different from the FF headquarters. both are tech heavy. maybe Tchalla would be very handsoff in this version.
Surely, it would be interesting. The writers would really need to come up with something good though to make it work. Just coming up with something (that makes sense) as why the FF would leave with U.S. would be hard.

Haunt

07-19-2006, 10:34 PM

Surely, it would be interesting. The writers would really need to come up with something good though to make it work. Just coming up with something (that makes sense) as why the FF would leave with U.S. would be hard.

well Sue has already left for Atlantis.

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:38 PM

well Sue has already left for Atlantis.
I thought so too. However, I saw her on CW 3. Look at the panel after Iron Man and Cap shake hands. She is there.

Pheonix-NoRelation

07-19-2006, 10:38 PM

As a staunch long standing F.F. supporter no way in hell would I buy a book with that cast.:evilangry

Yeah, no, I don't want that but I have been thinking about this and I've come up with this: It appears as if Thing leaves, based on the cover to FF #540. I know the cover can be misleading but... For some reason I can't see Johnny and Sue alone on the team together. And it seems evident that Sue and Mr. Fantastic will be breaking up for a time. So, unless Reed and Johnny stay together on the team, only either Sue, Johnny, or Reed could be on the team, alone. oh, and also, it looks like Sue will be going to Atlantis for a while. I see Reed leaving to join the Avengers with Tony Stark. That leaves Johnny. (1) Clint and Johnny's egos would clash and make for some great stories, which no doubt Marvel has already thought of. So Clint's (2) on. Then they need power and a female member so Luke Cage & Jessica Jones (3 & 4)are on. That's my reasoning. :)

Joe Rice

07-19-2006, 10:39 PM

This being a superhero book, I bet it's revealed that Johnny Storm, Sue Storm, and Storm are related. That's why she has blue eyes.

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:41 PM

This being a superhero book, I bet it's revealed that Johnny Storm, Sue Storm, and Storm are related. That's why she has blue eyes.
Ha ha, I always knew there was a connection between them. :D

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:42 PM

Yeah, no, I don't want that but I have been thinking about this and I've come up with this: It appears as if Thing leaves, based on the cover to FF #540. I know the cover can be misleading but... For some reason I can't see Johnny and Sue alone on the team together. And it seems evident that Sue and Mr. Fantastic will be breaking up for a time. So, unless Reed and Johnny stay together on the team, only either Sue, Johnny, or Reed could be on the team, alone. oh, and also, it looks like Sue will be going to Atlantis for a while. I see Reed leaving to join the Avengers with Tony Stark. That leaves Johnny. (1) Clint and Johnny's egos would clash and make for some great stories, which no doubt Marvel has already thought of. So Clint's (2) on. Then they need power and a female member so Luke Cage & Jessica Jones (3 & 4)are on. That's my reasoning. :)
Huh, that makes a lot of sense. However, I don't see JJ being on the team considering she has no powers. So, maybe She-Hulk will be there as well.

Haunt

07-19-2006, 10:49 PM

I thought so too. However, I saw her on CW 3. Look at the panel after Iron Man and Cap shake hands. She is there.

it's stilll just a cover image. i'm betting that Ben leaves the U.S; finds sanctuary in Wakanda. and Johnny, now that Sue is pal-ing around with Namor, will follow him. that keeps the dynamic pretty much the same. you have a brain, a powerful female/mother figure, and then ben and johnny.

p.s. Jessica Jones has enhanced strength, durability, flight, and some undefined energy projection ability.

Pheonix-NoRelation

07-19-2006, 10:52 PM

Huh, that makes a lot of sense. However, I don't see JJ being on the team considering she has no powers. So, maybe She-Hulk will be there as well.

Doubt Shulkie will join up if they already have Luke Cage as a powerhouse.

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:54 PM

it's stilll just a cover image. i'm betting that Ben leaves the U.S; finds sanctuary in Wakanda. and Johnny, now that Sue is pal-ing around with Namor, will follow him. that keeps the dynamic pretty much the same. you have a brain, a powerful female/mother figure, and then ben and johnny.
Yeah, that would work out. I can see Sue wanting to sit it out for a little while. Then Johnny and Thing would take over (if Thing doesn't die that is).

p.s. Jessica Jones has enhanced strength, durability, flight, and some undefined energy projection ability.
Dang, I sure did miss a lot when I stopped reading for a couple of years. Goodness, when did Jessica get powers?

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 10:55 PM

Doubt Shulkie will join up if they already have Luke Cage as a powerhouse.
Considering Haunt just told me Jessica has powers, I think your roster makes a lot of sense.

Haunt

07-19-2006, 10:58 PM

Yeah, that would work out. I can see Sue wanting to sit it out for a little while. Then Johnny and Thing would take over (if Thing doesn't die that is).

Dang, I sure did miss a lot when I stopped reading for a couple of years. Goodness, when did Jessica get powers?

she's had them since we first met her. she was a retired superhero in Alias #1.

Bobster777

07-19-2006, 11:05 PM

she's had them since we first met her. she was a retired superhero in Alias #1.
Dang, I sure am bad on history sometimes. I always thought she was just some reporter. That's what happens when you miss years of certain comic books.

drwho

07-19-2006, 11:16 PM

Dang, I sure am bad on history sometimes. I always thought she was just some reporter. That's what happens when you miss years of certain comic books.

Jessica jones has been retconned into someone with powers on par with sentry:rolleyes:

Young Avenger

07-20-2006, 12:15 AM

I don't think Black Panther will join FF. Hudlin won't let some other writer fix T'challa when he spend so much time ruining him.

Bobster777

07-20-2006, 12:36 AM

Jessica jones has been retconned into someone with powers on par with sentry:rolleyes:
Yeah, because I remember during Secret War, Jessica just kind of stood there dumbfounded when Luke was attacked. I would have thought if she was that powerful, she would have done something.

daniel2099

07-27-2006, 07:52 PM

http://www.avengersdisassembled.com/civilwartimeline.html

look at the cover for ff 540

looks like we know who is going now

then look at the cover for 542

only one person peron

oct solti
FANTASTIC FOUR #542
The Fantastic Four as we know them are finished, torn apart by the strife of CIVIL WAR! What will happen to the fragmented first family of Marveldom now-and will some other foursome rise to take their place?

a queston for our legal eages
what happens to the fantastic four corperation
would the four still get money from it ?
how would sue and reeds shares be devided in a devorce ?

Haunt

07-27-2006, 07:58 PM

Dang, I sure am bad on history sometimes. I always thought she was just some reporter. That's what happens when you miss years of certain comic books.

you're probably thinking of the other foul-mouthed chain smoking Mary Sue created for the PULSE series; Sally Floyd.

Frank

07-27-2006, 09:29 PM

Black Bolt is another option. He`s at war with the UN. And if he gives asylum to refugees heroes, then he would become a big anti-reg guy. The Inhumans have ties to the FF, Sue and Johnny could go there(via Johnny`s relationship with Crystal). Then Black Bolt become leader of the new FF with Sue(futur girlfriend?), Johnny and Crystal. Attilan could provide the tech. But as far as strength, maybe Crystal could die in battle and have She-Hulk switch sides over it and join the new FF.

I like

Black Bolt
Invisible Woman
Human Torch
She-Hulk

spyridona

07-28-2006, 12:21 AM

Then Black Bolt become leader of the new FF with Sue(futur girlfriend?)...

Nope, Sue would not be his future girlfriend. Black Bolt has a wife; Medusa. In fact Medusa was a villain and a replacement for Sue during one of Reed and Sue's marriage troubles in the 70s. Medusa, is awesome. Medusa makes boys cry. And Black Bolt adores her and vise versa. :D They even have a son together.

I would love to see this lineup.

Sue - LEADER
Black Bolt
Medusa
Johnny

jsg2295

07-28-2006, 12:48 AM

What I would like to see...(besides the original that I have been collecting non-stop since #222)....Sue,Thor,Johnny, Dr. Strange...he could do what Reed did only with magic.
I see the Thing leaving thus leaving a "strong void"...one Namor can fill.
Reed will leave and Sue will stay.
Johnny will stay to support his sister.
The fourth one will probably be Wolvie (god help me)...but if I had to guess I say maybe Crystal.

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 01:27 AM

spyridona

07-28-2006, 01:34 AM

I would love to see Thor on the team. That would be a cool new dynamic. Ha, I could see Thor trying to whack Johnny with Mjolnir just about everyday.

That would be the best thing, ever. :eek:

misterorange

07-28-2006, 01:35 AM

Add a twist and have the Silver Surfer as a member

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 01:38 AM

Add a twist and have the Silver Surfer as a member
Man, that would make me very happy. Sue, Johnny, Thor, and Norrin. That would be an unbeatable team.

misterorange

07-28-2006, 01:40 AM

Man, that would make me very happy. Sue, Johnny, Thor, and Norrin. That would be an unbeatable team. Hell just Thor and Surfer would be awesome espically on one team.

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 01:49 AM

Hell just Thor and Surfer would be awesome espically on one team.
With Surfer on the team though, you are just basically asking for Galactus to make an appearance (unless he takes the big dirt nap in Annihilation).

DoubleShot

07-28-2006, 02:06 AM

In a recent interview Joe Q said that he likes Reed and Sue being married but stories need to be told.

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 02:09 AM

In a recent interview Joe Q said that he likes Reed and Sue being married but stories need to be told.
Well, that doesn't sound good. Whatever they do to Reed and Sue, I hope they get back together eventually. I don't mind a separation for a while, but I hope they don't get a divorce.

daniel2099

07-28-2006, 05:22 AM

heares an ider fror a pole how long do you think sue and reed will stay apart?

Cosmic Book Fan

07-28-2006, 06:58 AM

Not that the current run of FF has been very good to begin with, but the way some writers abuse Reed and Sue is just crazy. Reed and Sue are in Love, for real, bottom-line. Ultimately it's all about them, and when it's not, it's weak. Reed may get distracted sometimes, but not the way he's portrayed lately. Sue is Reeds top priority, and his grounding force, Reed without Sue would be dangerous, either he would be totally dispondant, and not able to step up when he's needed (and he always ends up being needed, he's got more world-saving to his credit than any three other heroes). Or he would go off the Deep End and really do some serious damage. Some people seem to think Reed is a joke, but he's formidable enough to take on Doom time and time again, and I'm talking slugging it out, not just out-witting him (which is impressive enough). And Sue has been treated even worse.

Sue is not some embittered, long-suffering, underappreciated, housewife, pining away for the life she imagines if she chose someone else. Sue loves Reed, maybe more than vice versa, and especially since Reed's death, she's way more likely to be proactive and make things better, than to stew in hard feelings.

Reed and Sue have a real marriage, (not the watered-down, easy-out, nearly meaningless institution that goes by the same name these days). They are 100% commited to each other 'til death do we part' and in their world, that death had better be damn convincing.

Breaking up Reed and Sue has been done before, and done well. They've grown up since then, and it's not a good idea to re-tread their marital issues, no matter how short term it ends up being.

But this only matters in a Marvel Universe where continuity and consistent characters are the most important artistic principles, and that MU hasn't exsisted in years.

I can rant more if you want...

Dared Evil

07-28-2006, 10:05 AM

I still think they should bring back the new Fantastic Four and have it stick around for a while....

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3592/newfab40rv.jpg

But I guess that's just wishful thinking, considering Ghost Rider's still in Hell and Hulk's on another planet but still, the picture speaks for itself.

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 03:04 PM

I agree, I really liked this team. However, I have never liked Hulk on any team. I just think it is irresponsible to have him on any team. The fact is, when Hulk gets angry, he doesn't really care who he hurts. Thus, I think he is more a liability than anything else.

spyridona

07-28-2006, 03:19 PM

Breaking up Reed and Sue has been done before, and done well. They've grown up since then, and it's not a good idea to re-tread their marital issues, no matter how short term it ends up being.

But this only matters in a Marvel Universe where continuity and consistent characters are the most important artistic principles, and that MU hasn't exsisted in years.

I can rant more if you want...

Amen. It's sad to see one of the best couples in Marvel die because they're worried about the 'base' audiance. Sue and Reed have been a couple since issue #1 (even if Namor tried to get in the way). If kids didn't want to read about a married couple, the F4 would have died LONG ago.

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 03:25 PM

Amen. It's sad to see one of the best couples in Marvel die because they're worried about the 'base' audiance. Sue and Reed have been a couple since issue #1 (even if Namor tried to get in the way). If kids didn't want to read about a married couple, the F4 would have died LONG ago.
I don't think they are doing this because the base audience doesn't like them being married. If anything, the core comic book fans probably would be angry if they were broken up. However, with the way the story is going, it just seems logical that they will need some time apart to heal.

Dared Evil

07-28-2006, 03:29 PM

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 03:32 PM

Just replace Hulk with the Thing :D at least they'll have one original member then.
That would be cool. However, I'd rather see Thor. I really want him on the FF thing. Hay, probably just wishful thinking on my part though.

Violently Apathetic

07-28-2006, 03:37 PM

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 03:40 PM

Spyridona? Spyridona from scans_daily?

I second the idea that Medusa and Blackbolt would be fun on the team. Surfer would be fun to, but I like him best on a team like the Defenders where everyone is in unintelligible due to accents, a fondness for flowery prose, etc...
Huh, never even thought about Medusa and Blackbolt. Yeah, I would like to see them on the team too. ha, a lot of the villain fights will be lopsided though. All Blackbolt has to do is whisper at the villain and they will be out.

Effect

07-28-2006, 04:01 PM

You know maybe they (Reed and Sue) aren't breaking up. Perhaps something happens that finally makes them realize, especially Reed, that they need to work on their relationship. As a result, the main thing that's been a huge factor has been the FF itself. What if they decide enough is enough. Reed and Sue along with the kids go one way to work on their marriage. Johnny goes his way and Thing goes his. All needing much downtime out of the public eye and some alone time.

If the readers don't have a problem with the marriage then that could happen. So far we've seen that there are problems with the marriage but the previews all talk about the breakup of the Fantastic Four, not the actual marriage. It's way to obvious there are problems betweeen Reed and Sue for them to just break them up. Everyone would be expecting that. Now to have them bo decide enough is enough, at least for a while, and to take their kids and go away some where, would peopel be expecting that?

Bobster777

07-28-2006, 04:07 PM

jsg2295

07-28-2006, 04:07 PM

Effect

08-06-2006, 02:54 PM

Just realized something and I'm sorry if this has been said before but Black Panther and Storm in the Fantastic Four just isn't doable. Look at Wakanda as a country, they pretty much want nothing to do with the outside world last time I checked. Now how much sense would it be for it's two leaders to be constantly going to the USA in order to hook up some of it's heros on missions to save it and the rest of the world? Think about all the time that they would need to put in.

Unless there was a coup and BP was tossed out of Wakanda it just couldn't logically happen. I'm curious as to why this hasn't been brought up before (that is if it hasn't). That already removes them from the situation cause I really doubt a writer is going to want to deal with them as guest stars when they are suppose to be members.

The She-Hulk and Hawkeye pairing is looking more and more likely I feel. Plus it sets up some interesting drama when the Hulk comes back with possibly Reed and She-Hulk on the same team. Also allows for a Avengers connection with them being past Avengers and there being two Avenger teams.

Edit:

There is suppose to be death coming up soon in the Civil War right? Any idea when that is suppose to take place, which issues I mean? Cause I'm starting to wonder about something. What if Sue is killed off (I know it might have been done before)? Thing has left so that leaves three members and they are suppose to get two new members. I don't see Reed leaving when I look at things so that leavers either Sue or Johnny. Being the first family, I don't think they will hook up Sue with Namor, if Marvel doesn't want to deal with that backlash. So either she or even Johnny dies or she herself gets taken out of the picture and put into a coma (she's still around for the kids to see but not part of the team proper anymore and it still affects Reed).

spyridona

08-07-2006, 12:15 AM

Spyridona? Spyridona from scans_daily?

I second the idea that Medusa and Blackbolt would be fun on the team. Surfer would be fun to, but I like him best on a team like the Defenders where everyone is in unintelligible due to accents, a fondness for flowery prose, etc...

Yes, same Spyridona. :D Holy crap, I'm famous. ;)

Though, Blackbolt and Medusa being on the team would have the same problems as 'Ro and T'Challa being on the team. They're <i>royalty</i>. They shouldn't have time to be all hero like.

Markavian

08-07-2006, 12:33 AM

The new Fantastic Four will Be Karl Rove(Smart Guy), Tom Delay(Clobbering Time Guy), Rush Limbaugh(Rich Guy with Sense of Humor who either defeats his enemies with a joke or getting higher ratings than them), And Monica Lewinsky (Super Suction Girl who can swallow anything!):D

CyberCoyote

08-07-2006, 05:43 AM

If the readers don't have a problem with the marriage then that could happen. So far we've seen that there are problems with the marriage but the previews all talk about the breakup of the Fantastic Four, not the actual marriage. It's way to obvious there are problems betweeen Reed and Sue for them to just break them up. Everyone would be expecting that. Now to have them bo decide enough is enough, at least for a while, and to take their kids and go away some where, would peopel be expecting that?

I hear ya. JQ said (not that it couldn't be a lie) that Reed and Sue are fine after CW. I think it'll be Ben and Johnny staying on the official team. My only problem there is without Reed you take away what makes the FF unique, the experimenting and voyaging into the unknown (not that they seem to do much of that anymore) I think they need to relaunch the Baxter Building into space where Noah Baxter built it (at least the top floors) and keep the family safe on the Dark side of the moon (they had way cool teleportrs they were using then that seemed to have been forgotten). Maybe Johnny and Ben could get a couple of pals to help out with the adventuring while Reed safely conducts his work far away from NYC...

PastePotPete

08-07-2006, 07:28 AM

dingo

08-07-2006, 07:31 AM

You know, no matter how broken up they get, the core team of Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben will be back in time for the release of Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer. That's like, what? A year? A year and a half away?

No they won't. At least not necesarily.

Joe as much as said that movies basically have no effect on publishing plans anymore.

Gregg Helmberger

08-07-2006, 07:40 AM

Oggy

08-07-2006, 10:40 PM

No they won't. At least not necesarily.

Joe as much as said that movies basically have no effect on publishing plans anymore.

I'm curious why everyone seems to assume that the FF have to be back together in time for the movie to be released anyway. I may be mistaken, but I think the Supergirl movie was released after she died in the comics. I know for a fact the Flash series featuring Barry Allen aired after his death at any rate.

As for who will replace the two missing members, it really depends on who leaves.

Reed - the scientific genius and leader of the group. That's a large hole to fill, but arguably, Sue can pick up the slack in the leadership area, she's done it before.

Sue - I honestly think is the heart of the team. She pretty much holds them together.

Thing - The obvious team muscle and comic relief with his prank wars with Johnny.

Johnny - the flier and no one else on the team fires projection attacks, except maybe Sue.

So, if Reed and Sue leaves to patch up their marriage/relationship, that would take out your core of both the brains and heart of the team. BP and Storm can fill that void, but seriously, without his suit, BP is nothing more than a street leveler, I don't think he should be on the team.

Now, if Thing stays, there won't be a need for She-hulk or Luke Cage. Sure, teams like the Avengers and Justice League have more than one heavy hitter, but they have a bigger roster too. Having two bricks is just redundant and boring on a team with only four members.

Personally, all the pairs listed seem to lack something to support the FF. Unless Sue and Reed split, I see them either staying on or leaving (more than likely leaving) which means they need a leader to fill the void, and other than BP and Storm, none of the groups fill that.

Personally, I'd like to see Iron Man, Sue, She-Hulk and Johnny as the FF. But Iron Man I think is too big for that. Maybe War Machine?

drwho

08-07-2006, 11:20 PM

I'm going to still say that Storm and Black Panther are on the team.

1. There would be similar dynamics within the group with the one couple and then Ben and Torch on the side.

2. It could help bring readers to the Black Panther book.

3. Black Panther is also a scientist to an extent.

I could see maybe Reed and Sue taking a more supporting character role for awhile. Just because they arent on the core team doesnt mean they cant appear every once in awhile.

Sabrinaset

08-07-2006, 11:44 PM

Right now I'm kinnnnda thinking ... well, Ben is gone. Reed is prolly gunna leave in shame the way they're handling him. That'll leave Sue and Johnny along with T'Challa and Storm, with the FF based in Wakanda for the duration. Which is ridiculous, but so stupid, I could see Marvel doing it and JMS writing it. Maybe we'll even discover that the FF's powers came from a totem pole or something.

Cuz at this point...I mean it's NOT gunna be Hawkeye and Shulkie. Hawk is confirmed sorta getting his head together in Avengers. And Surfer is confirmed off in Annihilation.

drwho

08-08-2006, 12:38 PM

Wow, just found this cover of a book that I had no idea existed as an AOA tie in.

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/3865/400/3865_4_0148.jpg

Rich L

08-08-2006, 12:56 PM

Wow, just found this cover of a book that I had no idea existed as an AOA tie in.

Ah yes, the craptastic Ages of Apocalypse. Not to be confused with the Age of Apocalypse, which was rather good.

Let us never speak of it again.

As for who leaves the team, well Ben's gone - and indications are that Sue and Reed head for splitsville, so I expect only one of them to stay. Which means that Johnny will remain - and if he stays, then I can't see him staying with Reed and not Sue if they've split.

Meaning Sue and Johnny need two more to fill out the ranks. So lets look at the candidates we've been given:

Silver Surfer and Galactus - while I could see Surfer taking a spot on the team, Galactus? No. Way. Especially now he's re-Galactus'd. So no. PLus they're tied up in Annihilation.

Black Panther and Storm - they are the flavor of the month, but I can't see it unless Sue and Johnny up and move to Wakanda - which I suppose they could but...nah, I just don't see it.

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones - Luke's filled in for Ben before, so not out of the question - but Jessica's been pretty adamant about not being a superhero. Plus, like someone else said, I can't see Bendis ever letting these two go.

She-Hulk and Hawkeye - well....Shulkie's done serious FF time before and I can see her helping out Sue in a time of need. Hawkeye seems an odd fit - and I assume this is Clint - as he'd be pretty out of place on a team this powerful. Just like he was on the Avengers...oh. I think once he's resolved the situation with Wanda over in NA, he's a definite possibility.

I'd have to say of the four, She-Hulk and Hawkeye seem most likely - with BP/Storm on the outside.

Time will tell...

daniel2099

08-08-2006, 02:16 PM

where will the new ff be based we shouldnt asume thay will have the baxter biulding

if the thing leves the country he knows he has a place with the panther so
stom and he could be part of the new ff

the ff could have 2 females on it so she hulk and hawkeye could be on it
this would give good friction they were on diffent sides

note they say hawkeye not the former hawkeye so they mean kate
not clint

spolers

the wheres clint is ansered in new avenger 26
i think cage will stay in new avengers so that leves them out

so i think
it will bee bp and storm or she hulkand hawkeye

I think the surfer and his boss will be in allaltion at that time
I think cage will stay with the new avenger so he and jess are out

Red Lotus

08-08-2006, 04:34 PM

Johnny doesn't seem like the type of person who would go anti. He has always come out like some one who loved the fame part of being of a hero. I dont think he would want to give all of that up so I dont see him being in a F4with Sue who I think will be Anti when its all over. But I can see him staying with Reed.

I can see the BP and Storm with Sue and Ben. But they want be in NY.

I'm iffy on Reed, Johnny, She Hulk because I'm not sure if Hawkeye would be pro. But then again everyone was saying Thor would be anti so I dont know.

lament

08-08-2006, 04:51 PM

I am pretty sure Johnny will be on the team. The questions seem to be: 1) will he be pro, anti, or neutral and 2) who will be on the team with him.

I am wavering between him taking off for Wakanda with Sue and staying behind with Reed. I could see the former scenario happening. Reed hasn't been too invested in Johnny's recovery thus far, and Johnny might be personally hurt by that. Moreover, if Reed's actions for the pro-reg side are causing tension between Reed and Sue, I think Johnny have to have a good reason to side against his sister.

But the more I think about it, I could really see Reed and Johnny picking up the pieces and reforming the team with She-Hulk and Hawkeye (as in Clint, not Kate). Maybe Sue goes underground to join the New Avengers? It could happen. Not likely, if Sue is written in-character. But it could happen. By the time Johnny is up and able to be on a team, the worst of the CW will probably be over and done with, so maybe he would feel like he could be pro-reg without having to fight his fellow heroes.

In any case, I think BP/Storm or Jen/Clint are the most likely options.

Kirayoshi

08-08-2006, 09:58 PM

Where is it written that the Fantastic Four must remain in New York?

If Ben's leaving the country for the forseeable future, why not have the new FF join him? Maybe he and either Johnny or Sue(I don't see him and Reed being on good terms for awhile after CW) will join Black Panther and Storm in Wakanda.

dingo

08-08-2006, 10:09 PM

note they say hawkeye not the former hawkeye so they mean kate
not clint

That is really just an assumption on your part.
When Kate was given the name Hawkeye's status was still up in the air.
Kate could give up the name.
There could be two Hawkeyes.

Why not?

TheOnlyXTremeFan

08-08-2006, 11:54 PM

I think this is Dan Slott's new big book that he's gonna write. And he's bringing Barton and She-Hulk with him. Forgive me if that's been stated already, I just went to the end and typed.

Jeff-E

08-09-2006, 01:59 AM

I'm going to go on the outside here and say, Reed, Johnny (just because Sue leaves doesn't mean he has to, the FF are family, meaning they feel that they are all a part of eachother), Luke and Jessica/Jewel/Nightress or whatever her name was.

Leaper Queen

08-09-2006, 03:14 AM

I just wonder how lang these two members will leave again to make place for the originals to return. I would reall love the cast to change, but we all know, it will be going back to the cast we all know for years being the FF. So whoever joins, will only be there for a while, but not to stay anyway.

I think Thing will leave for sure to Paris and we'll see a Thing in Europe series coming out. The other one leaving is still hard to figure out. My hopes for the new members are Storm and BP, but I now seriously doubt it will happen, bacause they are king & queen now and the BP book will probably not get cancelled.

Markavian

08-09-2006, 03:21 AM

:D I just wonder how lang these two members will leave again to make place for the originals to return. I would reall love the cast to change, but we all know, it will be going back to the cast we all know for years being the FF. So whoever joins, will only be there for a while, but not to stay anyway.

I think Thing will leave for sure to Paris and we'll see a Thing in Europe series coming out. The other one leaving is still hard to figure out. My hopes for the new members are Storm and BP, but I now seriously doubt it will happen, bacause they are king & queen now and the BP book will probably not get cancelled.
Storm and The Panther wont be on the new FF lineup .Maybe Reed and Johnny and Shehulk and I dont know for the last slot lol

Magneto Rocks

12-08-2006, 04:39 PM

Well I think the time has come where we need a speculation thread for this.

It's virtually facft that there will be a new Fantastic Four before Civil War is said and done. The question is... who?

(For proof, read pretty much any FF-concerned interview, read 'Civil War itself' and the solicits for 542 and 543:

From 542: "What will happen to the fragmented first family of Marveldom now—and will some other foursome rise to take their place?"

From 543- "And who will be the Fantastic Four when all is said and done?" Not to mention the Wizard questionnaire)

Okay, so it's not definite but it seems likely. So, who will it be? Well, in Wizard's questionnaire-

- Which pair of heroes will join the Fantastic Four after Civil War?

Luke Cage and Jessica Jones, Human Galactus and Silver Surfer, Storm and Black Panther, She-Hulk and Hawkeye

With Hawkeye in NA, She-Hulk tied up in her own affairs, G and SS clearly out of the picture and there being no way Bendis will let go of Luke Cage...

As the time draws closer, new evidence appears. For one thing, there is no FF in February- and yet there IS a Black Panther... which has had it's solicit information blocked out... The one before it featured Sue (among others) standing with BP and Storm.

Perhaps the most damning piece of evidence yet from this very night, on Newsarama with Alex Alonso-

Black Panther and Storm are going to find a new home…and their family will grow.

On the other hand, some have said Silent War takes place after CW and it has the foursome together. Would they really break them up for their 45th anniversary? It can go any way.

So what do you guys think? Who will be the FF- is it Storm and BP, or is that too blindingly obvious? Is it a little too convenient that originally the "World Tour" BP arc ended the month civil war ended and now a new arc has been added, also going to the end of civil war? And that REED was the one to go to T'Challa in CW3, with Panther guaranteed a re-appearance in the main series. Or is this all a co-incadence?

Haunt

12-08-2006, 04:45 PM

Black Panther
Storm
Invisible Woman
Human Torch

Magneto Rocks

12-08-2006, 04:48 PM

I'm gonna answer my own question and throw in a wild one-

Mr Fantastic
Black Panther
Storm
The Thing.

Anyone else a betting person? ;)

TotalWorldDomination

12-08-2006, 04:59 PM

Black Panther
Storm
Invisible Woman
Human Torch

At this point I'd bet almost anything that this will be the lineup. FF was the first comic I ever read as a kid, and Mr. Fantastic stands as my favorite Marvel character. Marvel seems to love removing Reed from the book for long stretches (Oh look, Reed's dead... again.) so it surprises me very little.

I just hope that Sue get's the boot out of the Baxter Building and Reed gets custody of the kids. Perhaps Reed could swap in the big 4 on his chest for an A as a member of the mighty avengers?

TotalWorldDomination

12-08-2006, 05:01 PM

I'm gonna answer my own question and throw in a wild one-

Mr Fantastic
Black Panther
Storm
The Thing.

Anyone else a betting person? ;)

I'll take it, and raise you a new new thunderbolts. :D

Magneto Rocks

12-08-2006, 05:05 PM

Effect

12-08-2006, 05:17 PM

Really curious who will be apart of the team. Hope we find out soon, depending who makes it up will greatly determine if I even attempt to start reading this. As long as it isn't BP and Storm I'm okay.

What is the situation with Human Galactus and Silver Surfer anyway? Beside Silver Surfer being in Annihilation I mean. I mean he could make it back if the ending events of Annihilation don't take a lot of time. Don't see why She-Hulk and Hawkeye can't join. There is no reason to think that the new members will join right away. It could be a few issues into the new writer run before that happens.

Also the events don't have to take place right after Civil War. The writier could skip ahead a few months and take things from there. Giving enough time for events in other titles to play out. Astonishing X-men for example is already in a post-Civil War story arc. Uncanny X-men very well could be at that point as well since they've been in space.

Joe Acro

12-08-2006, 05:20 PM

Do we know for sure that the new team will center around two original members? How do we know that Reed won't just make a new team by himself? Just because one of those pairs is joining the FF post-Civil War doesn't mean there can't be a third.

TotalWorldDomination

12-08-2006, 05:39 PM

Very well TWD ;)

Seriously though... I honestly wonder if the team will be Reed and Ben + ?. I don't think Ben will be gone for the big 45th anniversary, and not letting McDuffie write Reed in FF is like hiring Frank Miller to do "Marvel Adventures: Spider-Man".

Plus I have a feeling Johnny and Sue may be part of the New Avengers.

I agree. I've been salivating over having McDuffie write FF since it was announced.

Sue and Johnny on the NA, eh? Could work. Seems like eventually someone on the FF is going to have an A on there chest... ;)

Kevinroc

12-08-2006, 05:58 PM

The FF have broken up before and they always get back together. Even if Storm and Panther join The Fantastic Four, it will only be temporary. Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny will come back together.

StoneGold

12-08-2006, 06:46 PM

Spider-Man, Hulk, Wolverine and Ghost Rider.

What?

Seriously, why couldn't Hulk have been in Marvel Ultimate Alliance, just so I could play with the All New, All Different FF?

drwho

12-08-2006, 06:57 PM

The New Fate

12-08-2006, 07:05 PM

SHE- HULK
STORM
JOHNNY STORM
SUE STORM

Switch it up a bit. 3 girls and a guy.:cool:

drwho

12-08-2006, 07:08 PM

You forget get Storm and Black Panther are a couple. Plus the Fantastic Four always needs to have one pretty smart person on the team and that would be Tchalla.

Omega Alpha

12-08-2006, 07:17 PM

I think Marvel may surprise us and have Sue and Reed together again, either in the Fantastic Four, with Johnny in the NA and Ben in France, or just retired, with Ben and Johnny with the replacements, which will be Storm and Black Panther, for sure.

Actually, now that i think about it, Ororo and T'challa could very well replace Reed and Sue as the married couple, and T'challa as the brains. So, i think it will be:

The Thing (leader)
The Human Torch
Black Panther
Storm

I would like to see how the Wakandans would accept Ben's leadership. Black Panther is a king, and Storm was sometimes jealous of Scott in the X-men, and that's a close friend of hers, i think she would have problems taking orders from someone she barely knows.

The New Fate

12-08-2006, 07:27 PM

You forget get Storm and Black Panther are a couple. Plus the Fantastic Four always needs to have one pretty smart person on the team and that would be Tchalla.

I didn't forget they were a couple but I wish I could.:D

TotalWorldDomination

12-08-2006, 07:35 PM

Have they ever replaced 2 people at a time before? and replaced with people who are not directly connected to the FF?

drwho

12-08-2006, 07:40 PM

Have they ever replaced 2 people at a time before? and replaced with people who are not directly connected to the FF?

Cage and Ms. Marvel, but she was more connected with the Thing. Everyone that has been a member of the F.F. tends to be connected in some way. Cage is the only one that i think was pretty left field. Maybe ant man also cant recall really how he came about on the team.

Loren

12-08-2006, 07:50 PM

Over at Progressive Ruin (http://progressiveruin.com/), somebody noticed this comment (http://www.haloscan.com/comments/mikester/114586195279794260/#201688) from April:

Its Spider-Man that gets unmasked in Civil War. He does it willingly on live TV. Thor comes back as a clone/cyborg created by Richards and Stark and Sue leaves the FF with Black Panther and Storm filling in for her and a mortally wounded Human Torch. And Namor's still a prick.

Prediction #1 came true. So did Prediction #2. Now with it pretty much confirmed that the FF membership will change, I'm going to side with the mystery poster.

Conn Seanery

12-08-2006, 09:42 PM

Never thought i'd have to do this in a Fantastic Four thread of all places, but I guess i've underestimated the insatiable desire to bitch...

Reminder: This is the Civil War Forum and this is a New FF member thread. Talk about the topic itself, and/or how it pertains to Civil War.

If you're just here to gripe about Hudlin or gripe about those griping about Hudlin, go somewhere else.

Thanks.

Den

12-09-2006, 02:15 AM

My hope would be Reed and Sue take their kids to give up heroing for awhile and mend their marriage. Black Panther and Storm coming in to help Thing and Torch might be interesting, though I think BP would end up leader eventually. His time as Avengers Chairman and ruler of his kingdom both give him the leadership chops.

Magneto Rocks

12-09-2006, 03:58 AM

Saw that thing about the mystery poster over at Millarworld.

Now while it does indeed seem very likely now... I don't see how Reed would be on a time with T'Challa and Ben would stay right now. I mean, that would necessitate T'Challa and Storm joining the war, swapping sides (Which, based on 22, isn't likely) then someone convincing Ben to come back from France where, according to CW Files, he has already gone, then persuading T'Challa to come and live over here, then....

You see my point?

Omega Alpha

12-09-2006, 08:46 AM

Deus ex Chris

12-09-2006, 09:06 AM

I don't see any replacement leading the FF, ever. Ben will be the leader, most likely.
I can't imagine the Thing giving orders to Storm or the Black Panther.

Haunt

12-09-2006, 03:25 PM

Cage and Ms. Marvel, but she was more connected with the Thing. Everyone that has been a member of the F.F. tends to be connected in some way. Cage is the only one that i think was pretty left field. Maybe ant man also cant recall really how he came about on the team.

when Reed was thought dead, the FF realized that they needed someone to upkeep the equipment in his lab. Tony Stark recommended Scott Lang to Sue. his first assignment was to fix Reed's time sled (Sue believed Reed to be lost in the time stream). anyways, he was offered but never accepted membership in the team.

spyridona

12-09-2006, 04:28 PM

I can't imagine the Thing giving orders to Storm or the Black Panther.

Excuse me?

I can't imagine Black Panther or Storm not understanding that since they'd be the new members of the F4, Ben's got senority over them by a lot.

Effect

12-09-2006, 04:45 PM

Excuse me?

I can't imagine Black Panther or Storm not understanding that since they'd be the new members of the F4, Ben's got senority over them by a lot.

Agreed. One would hope they'd have enough respect for Ben and all he's done.

If anything I hope Reed and Sue leave with the kids as well. I can deal with Johnny and Ben being teamed up with BP and Storm with either Ben or Johnny as the leader as it's THEIR team BP and Storm would be joining. Not the other way around. It's the Fantastic Four and anyone apart of the original team should be leaders. It's only right, proper, and respectful.

drwho

12-09-2006, 05:06 PM

astronato

12-09-2006, 05:12 PM

I would prefer Reed, Ben, Silver Surfer and Galactus. Maybe have them confronting Annihilus or dealing with the ramifications of the Annihilation event or just out in space somewhere.

I like the Panther, don't much like Storm and neither of them on the FF seems that interesting to me. I'd only be up for a short stint of them on the team. If that is what haappens I'd like to see a story about Wakandan technology and science.

Really what I want is the team together soon enough and in sci fi stories set in space. Get them away from the regular earth bound spandex crowd for a while.

spyridona

12-09-2006, 05:23 PM

The brains of the operation leads the team. Brains=Black PAnther. Thing has hardly ever blurted out orders on his stints with the F.F. Thing wont throw a fit by being given orders. Also who is most likely to get them involved in adventures . I dont see the Thing being a catalyst for that many new stories where Tchalla could be. Led the team only i think from ff 307-327. Short stint to be qualified as a leader.

And in reality, Black Panther has never lead a team. Ben trusts Reed and Sue. He loves them and respects them. He trusts them. While he is good friends with T'Challa, he is not apart of Ben's family. He wouldn't throw a fit, but it seems like a smack in the face to Fantastic Four fans that Black Panther becomes the leader. The Fantastic Four is a family, not just a team.

If they made T'Challa a leader of the Avengers, a team he HAS worked with, I'd be fine with it.

drwho

12-09-2006, 05:27 PM

Well i consider Tchalla ff family cus when they dropped in on him he has always been helpful. Also if you remember fantastic force tchalla helped fund Franklin Richards little group which torch was even a member for a few issues.

LordAllMighty

12-09-2006, 05:30 PM

And in reality, Black Panther has never lead a team. Ben trusts Reed and Sue. He loves them and respects them. He trusts them. While he is good friends with T'Challa, he is not apart of Ben's family. He wouldn't throw a fit, but it seems like a smack in the face to Fantastic Four fans that Black Panther becomes the leader. The Fantastic Four is a family, not just a team.

If they made T'Challa a leader of the Avengers, a team he HAS worked with, I'd be fine with it.

But Ben not a leader. I don't think the groups going to have a leader for a while and when somebody finally steps up it will be after a couple of adventures.:)

Effect

12-09-2006, 05:37 PM

It doesn't matter if Ben has not been a leader before, this is his chance. You don't walk into someone elses family and take over as the head of that family when there have been people there longer. Ally or not BP isn't not apart of the Fantastic Four family. As such he has no claim to the leaderships of the Fantastic Four. Just as he'd have no claim at all to the leadership of the X-men. Storm clearly would but it would also be extremely improper for her to allow him to start throwing out orders. Asking for his input yes but not to take a leadership role when there are clearly people there that can and have earned those roles.

I agree him leading the Avengers for a time is one thing since he's been apart of that team but even that is questionable with Hudlin's "year one" first arc. However if you have someone like Captain America and even Iron Man or Wasp on the team you'd be hard press to come up with a believable reason for why they aren't leading and make fans accept it.

Lets remember we are dealing with Fantastic Four fans who have just had their team torn apart. Do you honestly think majority of them would take kindly to a non-Fantastic Four member stepping in as leader of the team when there are still two Fantastic Four members left and have been to hell in back with the team and for the team? Past leader or not it's only proper for Ben or Johnny to have leadership above any other members joining that are not Reed or Sue if they go. Even if it's Reed and Thing that leave it's only proper for Sue to have leadership as she is the Matriarch of the Fantastic Four. A FF member has and should be leader of the FF unless all members are gone and it's a completely new group of people.

Rollo_Tomasi

12-10-2006, 12:39 PM

I cant see marvel letting a character like the Thing be lost in limbo. So i'm gonna go more for the route where Reed and Sue get back together and go on hero vacation and Thing and Torch join Black Panther and Storm.

Maybe Dan Slott's unnamed book coming out of Civil War is about the Thing's travels around the world...

Deus ex Chris

12-10-2006, 12:40 PM

spyridona

12-10-2006, 01:03 PM

So Ben or Johnny should lead just because? Even though it isn't in character for either to do so? Besides, we don't yet know the circumstances surrounding the situation, so assuming that Ben will and should lead is a bit premature.

Actually, it would be in character for both Johnny and Ben to step up to the plate. Johnny's playboy attitude has been an act for quite sometime and in the Thing series by Dan Slott shows that Ben can lead well when the going gets tough.

In the past, there's been character development for both Johnny and Ben that would lead a person to believe they're developing the qualities nesscary for leadership. It's just these lovely authors decide to smack them back to the support roles to mantain the status quo.

But that's not the case. No matter who's left in the F4, we're assuming that T'Challa, who has NEVER led a team, who HASN'T worked well in teams with team's goals in mind, going to lead a family based super hero group just because he's the latest 'shove down our throats' Marty Stu. Any writer who DOESN'T make any veteran member of the Fantastic Four the leader of the group or doesn't have a problem with a new member taking charge does NOT have the insight to write the Fantastic Four.

The Fantastic Four are not the Avengers, the Fantastic Four has been forged by trials and errors; that accident has bonded Sue, Johnny, Ben, and Reed for life. They began their super heroing career together, they've been through many of their trails together. They're not the Avengers, who are indepedent heroes who band together. If anything, they're more like the X-Men.

I mean, wouldn't you just love to see Sue, who has more leadership skills than say Colossus, lead the X-Men?

Deus ex Chris

12-10-2006, 01:26 PM

But that's not the case. No matter who's left in the F4, we're assuming that T'Challa, who has NEVER led a team, who HASN'T worked well in teams with team's goals in mind, going to lead a family based super hero group just because he's the latest 'shove down our throats' Marty Stu. Any writer who DOESN'T make any veteran member of the Fantastic Four the leader of the group or doesn't have a problem with a new member taking charge does NOT have the insight to write the Fantastic Four.
Actually, I'm not assuming that at all. In fact, I think Storm should be calling the shots. If those four are indeed going to be operating as a fighting unit, then it makes perfect sense for her to step up.

I mean, wouldn't you just love to see Sue, who has more leadership skills than say Colossus, lead the X-Men?
Well, we all know that Sue won't be joining the X-Men anytime soon, but I actually think it would be weird for Colossus to be giving Sue orders because it simply isn't in his character to take charge and dish out orders, when there's someone present who is better-suited for it--the same goes for Ben and Johnny. Besides, in most circumstances, there'd be someone better suited than Peter and Sue to call the shots, like Cyclops, Storm, Emma, Havok, Nightcrawler, Cannonball, Rogue, or Beast. There are so many damn X-Men that they can't help but be saturated with field commanders. ;)

spyridona

12-10-2006, 02:47 PM

Okay, since you obviously need it to be spelled out...

You like the X-Man titles a little more than than the other Marvel series. But guess what? There are people who don't care for the mutants (and I'm a former X-Men fan) and quite frankly, are tried of dealing with the over excess of mutants. My suggestion on putting Sue on the team was supposed to be a mockery of what you're trying to say. ;)

Sue is not a mutant, Sue doesn't have the 'right' to be there, let alone lead a team. Most x-man fans would be slightly bothered by this.

So, T'challa and Ororo, who are not apart of the F4 family suddenly calling the shots doesn't seem right.

So please remember, there are other fandoms besides your own. ;) Who would of thought that, mmm?

rZi

12-10-2006, 03:53 PM

I really like the idea of mixing up the Fantastic Four line up for a while...should create some new interesting stories. But i still can't decide who i want in the new roster...chances are i'll pick up FF now !

Mystique25

12-10-2006, 04:04 PM

I would really not enjoy to see Black Panther, and Storm on The Fantastic Four. I don't remember where they showed who might be on the team, but if I remember right, wasn't She-Hulk, and Hawkeye a choice. If they are, that would make a lot more sense. I mean She-Hulk has been on the team in the past, and I guees they could fit Hawkeye in somehow. Much easier than Storm and Black Panther.

Omega Alpha

12-10-2006, 04:41 PM

But Ben not a leader. I don't think the groups going to have a leader for a while and when somebody finally steps up it will be after a couple of adventures.:)

Ben has lead the FF before. Only Johnny never did.

Effect

12-10-2006, 04:42 PM

Actually I see She-Hulk maybe being a possible addition. For example you can't do away with Reed due to World War Hulk coming up. So he has to be around and what better to make it interesting then to have Reed and She-Hulk on the same team. Hawkeye isn't really ready to go back to the Avengers and really can't due to the current situation there with two teams (three if you count the Young Avengers) but with him being alive he might have questions that Reed can answer. I would prefer if Sue came back with Reed realizing and agree to what an complete ahole he was and realizing his first step to making things right or trying to would be to tackle the Hulk situation.

I still hate that Millar had Sue walk out on Reed and her kids. Her kids for god sake. I'd rather Thing relax for a bit or maybe join another team for a while. That would be interesting I think. Johnny should move from title to title for a while guest staring.

Reed, Sue, She-Hulk, and Hawkeye are what I hope for. I wouldn't think it possible before to be honest but with World War Hulk coming I think it could very well work with the connection to the Hulk for both She-Hulk and Reed. Also since they both are having doubts about the SHRA as shown in the latest issue of Civil War I believe. When she learns what happen to her cousin she will be going directly to him for answers and he's already worried and bothered by it as well. The key is getting Hawkeye into the mix and bringing back Sue (which can be easy if Reed goes against Tony and crawls back to Sue (she's gotta take him back since she was upset about what he was doing and with him not doing that anymore no more issues and the healing can begin).).

Haunt

12-10-2006, 04:48 PM

Ben has lead the FF before. Only Johnny never did.

he led a Fantastic Four consisting of he, She-Hulk, Ant-Man, and Namorita.

Deus ex Chris

12-10-2006, 04:52 PM

Okay, since you obviously need it to be spelled out...
I don't need it spelled out. You obviously expected a fan boy reaction. It didn't happen.

You like the X-Man titles a little more than than the other Marvel series. But guess what? There are people who don't care for the mutants (and I'm a former X-Men fan) and quite frankly, are tried of dealing with the over excess of mutants.
Actually, I never said that, so I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't make assumptions. Thanks.

My suggestion on putting Sue on the team was supposed to be a mockery of what you're trying to say. ;)
Let me apologize for not rising to take the fan boy bait.

Sue is not a mutant, Sue doesn't have the 'right' to be there, let alone lead a team. Most x-man fans would be slightly bothered by this.
It's not about rights. It's about what makes sense. The X-Men deal primarily with mutant oppression. I'm not sure how relevant Sue's presence would be there. The Fantastic Four, however, generally deal with a broader scoop of issues, so it isn't out of place to see mutants, Inhumans, or aliens on the team or interacting with the team regularly.

So, T'challa and Ororo, who are not apart of the F4 family suddenly calling the shots doesn't seem right.
It doesn't seem right to you, but to some of us, it seems less right for characters like Ben or Johnny to suddenly step up to the plate when there are two others on the team who are each more qualified to do so. Besides, they could end up operating out of Wakanda, where it would make even less sense for Storm or Black Panther to be subordinate to others. Hell, they may not even designate a so-called leader. Look at how the Fantastic Four have been operating for years now. Reed's the brains of the operation, but Sue keeps things grounded, and when she puts her foot down, that's it. Like you said, these guys are a family. It's not like the X-Men, where the teams are divided into strike forces. Things are much more organic with this group, and if Storm and Black Panther are indeed joining the book, then perhaps the whole "who's in charge" bit will be explored along with the fact that Ben and Johnny are having to adjust to working with two individuals that aren't Sue and Reed.

So please remember, there are other fandoms besides your own. ;) Who would of thought that, mmm?Listen, I love the Fantastic Four, the Avengers, the Justice League, Wonder Woman, and loads of other super-hero books. Don't assume that I'm exclusively an X-fan just because I don't think it makes sense for two characters who've rarely shown any sort of initiative regarding command to start throwing out orders to two people who have spent most of the time since their inception doing just that. I like discussing comics, but if you're going to make assumptions about me and dismiss my opinions simply because they don't fall within the realm of your own biases, then just don't respond to my posts.

Captain Exaggeration

12-10-2006, 05:48 PM

1. This is hard since we have no clue when Ben is deciding to come back although its obvious that its either going to be Reed + Ben or Sue + Johnny. I guess I'll go ahead and say that Reed and Ben will be leaving for awhile since Thing is in... wherever.
2. No clue.
3. I'm going with my gut here when I say Black Panther and Namor.
4. No idea.
5. Probably Anti. I have a feeling Reed will end up doing something with SHIELD by the end of Civil War.

Rich L

12-13-2006, 05:59 AM

Since yesterday's post has been deleted (probably because I cunningly linked through to my blog - linked in my sig - rather than repost here), I thought I's post the text from the blog where I connected the dots about the replacement half of the FF:

Way back in the dawn of time, just before Civil War started, Wizard ran a quiz type thing where they asked questions (such as 'who will replace 2 members of the Fantastic Four?') and gave a list of possible answers.

In the case of the FF question, it was She-Hulk & Hawkeye, Luke Cage & Jessica Jones, Black Panther & Storm or Silver Surfer & Galactus.

Then, back in April this post claimed that BP & Storm would be part of the new FF with Reed and Ben (http://www.haloscan.com/comments/mikester/114586195279794260/#201688).

Last week, Alex Alonso said that BP & Storm would find a new home and that their family would grow (http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays_Tom_Axel.html).

Now, Marvel's February solicits (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Mar07/solicitations.html) state that Black Panther #26 (contents classified) will be entitled 'Two plus Two'.

So I think we can safely say that Black Panther and Storm will be half the new Fantastic Four, under Dwayne McDuffie's direction. As long as editorial don't let Reggie Hudlin's continuity-mangling carry over into the book, I don't really have much of a problem with that despite finding Storm one of the most annoying characters in comics.

I do wonder, however, who the other half of the new FF will be...Sue and Johnny are currently on the run and part of the anti-reg resistance so if they are half the team, the team seems likely to be based outside the US - although Alonso's comment that BP & Storm will find a new home makes Wakanda seem unlikely.

But if Reed is on the team it suggests (a) that he'll get over his current guilt, (b) that the pro-Reg side will win (and since Spider-Man will be a fugitive according to solicits, I find that increasingly likely) and (c) that Ben comes back, if half the team is indeed to be half the original team.

I don't know about you, but the prospect of and FF made up of T'Challa, Reed, Ororo and Ben doesn't exactly thrill me with anticipation, even though I can live with it.

It makes me keener than ever to know what's going on with the anti-reg people post CW, though...and I can't help but think it's tied into Dan Slott's new project...

I suspect it will somehow be Ben and Reed making up the other half of the team - but as for whether they end up pro or anti, given the recent cover with BP attacking Cap, I actually have no idea (although my gut says anti)...

Rio_de_Janeiro

12-13-2006, 07:07 AM

for me, the tchalla/ororo pair would be the best, marketing-wise. storm is a link to both the x-verse and the highly-grossing movie trilogy. halle berry is an oscar winner, et al. black panther is a comic which has been talked about outside the comics world. in addition, the character represents both old-times because of the character's weight and the new-times in which there is a tendency into representing other ethnic/ethic/aesthetic groups.

i don't know which pair of ffours would be better, but i'd risk saying that sue and ben would be the best since he is highly recognizable and she was played by jessica alba in the film.

that's my 2 c.

Polarity

12-13-2006, 08:01 AM

She Hulk or Sharon Ventura or H.E.R.B.I.E.

Haunt

12-13-2006, 09:32 AM

i think Reed should take Gravity and Quake in for awhile. i guess She-Hulk or Ben could come back, as well. Johnny and Sue can hook up with the wakandan royal family.

Rich L

12-13-2006, 01:37 PM

i think Reed should take Gravity and Quake in for awhile. i guess She-Hulk or Ben could come back, as well. Johnny and Sue can hook up with the wakandan royal family.

Who's Quake?

And I'm hoping Gravity returns from the dead in FF as well, especially given that McDuffie's writing it...

drwho

12-13-2006, 01:48 PM

I can't see Johnny and Sue being more interesting than seeing Johnny and Ben. That pair tends to bring the comic relief while Sue would just be depressed and worried about Johnny's safety. Plus, she is also a dead beat mom now.

Darkoth

12-13-2006, 02:01 PM

I could get into the team dynamic of Panther,Storm,Thing,and Torch.In some ways Storm and Panther would make good surrogate parents to the often childish behavior of Ben and Johnny.They would all still feel like a family,and with the Panthers resources available the FF would not be lacking for funds or adventure.

Haunt

12-13-2006, 03:48 PM

Who's Quake?

And I'm hoping Gravity returns from the dead in FF as well, especially given that McDuffie's writing it...

Quake is Daisy Johnson; the angelina jolie look-alike daughter of Mister Hyde. she has seismic projection abilities and took down Wolverine once.

http://www.stacyx.com/shieldhq/gallery/albums/Secret-War/sw0506.jpg

drwho

12-13-2006, 03:52 PM

Quake is Daisy Johnson; the angelina jolie look-alike daughter of Mister Hyde. she has seismic projection abilities and took down Wolverine once.

http://www.stacyx.com/shieldhq/gallery/albums/Secret-War/sw0506.jpg

How does drinking a potion that turns you into a man monster give yield to a woman with Quake powers. LAme these villians like Kraven and Mr. fear need to be castrated. Not even a cool power.

Haunt

12-13-2006, 04:00 PM

How does drinking a potion that turns you into a man monster give yield to a woman with Quake powers. LAme these villians like Kraven and Mr. fear need to be castrated. Not even a cool power.

yeah, it doesn't really make sense but that's the explanation. :o

Rich L

12-14-2006, 05:58 AM

Quake is Daisy Johnson; the angelina jolie look-alike daughter of Mister Hyde. she has seismic projection abilities and took down Wolverine once.

http://www.stacyx.com/shieldhq/gallery/albums/Secret-War/sw0506.jpg

Ah okay - hadn't realised that that had become her codename.

She'd be an interesting choice for the new New Warriors, actually.

The Purple Skull

12-14-2006, 03:27 PM

http://previews.diamondcomics.com/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=23&s=213&ai=35682

Looks like the new roster has been revealed!

Effect

12-14-2006, 03:32 PM

I was hoping from the beginning that Reed and Sue would be the ones missing to work on their marriage. Just didn't see one taking off with kids in the situation.

I'm glad that Ben and Johnny are front and center on that cover though. This also means we'll get some decent to good writing when it comes to Black Panther and Storm and won't have to suffer through Hudlin's crap as the only means of reading about Storm. I just hope there are no crossovers with Black Panther in an attempt to increase it's sales. The less reason I have to read Hudlins writing the better. Now if they can only get Storm back in an X-title then I won't have to worry about Hudlin at all as I'll have two sourcs to read about Storm (FF for the time being and potentially X-men again). One can hope I guess.

Better yet. What if that poll in Wizard was a trick and Johnny and Ben have characters rotate in based on the arcs? What if all those couples listed end up on the team at one point or another?