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CMBMOOL

05-24-2006, 11:34 AM

NEW WARRIORS FANS PREPARE TO GET YOUR DUE!!!! :D

This issue contians: Various New Warriors characters cameoes along with Justice and Rage, as they go to the She-Hulk to fight off the bad press that the "heroes" have recently gained along with a "hate" website for the team. So they want Jen to argue with them in court to pull it off the internet.

We see brief saying about the Superhuman Resigration Act but we also get a cameo appearances of the MAIN TWO LEADERS OF CIVIL WAR !!!! :D
As Captain America, out of suit, talks to John Jameson about bring the She-Hulk on his side but towards the end he gives him some advice that will be seen at the end. Iron Man was a bit peved with Jen and he also tries to help her with her case by giving her the device that would locate the source of the New Warriors "Haters" site, he was also dictating her of her "cousin" rencent rampage and her case with Starfox, that was finished up last issue.

Also revealed is to why the She-Hulk's transformations are acting up thanks to a certain former Scarlet Avenger and the biggest ending shocker to She-Hulk fans everywhere!!! :D

firestarfan

05-24-2006, 12:37 PM

Great issue overall, it was great to see Rage and Justice again -- though it would have been nice to see a bit of the fallout from "I (heart) Marvel: Masked Intentions" reflected.

One quetsion though -- I was a pretty hardcore Warriors fan in the 90's, and I've read every issue of volumes one and two (haven't bothered with three) and I have no idea who the blonde chick and the weird cartoony guy were, during the confrontation with Hindsight. The cartoony guy looked a little like Morph, but I'm pretty sure he wasn't one of the New Warriors. And according to the website, the blond girl is somebody named "Ultra Girl" but who is that, and when was she in the New Warriors?

CMBMOOL

05-24-2006, 01:01 PM

Darkoth

05-24-2006, 01:27 PM

Actually the "Cartoony guy" was none other than Slapstick, a superhero of the 90's who was had his own mini-series origin that had several Spider-man cameos. :rolleyes:

I didn't think I would see him again until now.

I wonder how Nova will take the News when he returns from Space ? :(

Keep them seperated! Nova really outclasses the rest of the team.The less to do with them the better.

Chocolove

05-24-2006, 01:59 PM

This was a nice issue and all, but I kinda wish it could have been more warrior-centric. Interested to see where they end up after Civil War is over.

And according to the website, the blond girl is somebody named "Ultra Girl" but who is that, and when was she in the New Warriors?

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/ultgrl.htm

And she's more an associate rather than member.

Actually the "Cartoony guy" was none other than Slapstick, a superhero of the 90's who was had his own mini-series origin that had several Spider-man cameos.

Ahead of his time. :(

Expletive Deleted

05-24-2006, 04:36 PM

Meh.

I liked the stuff with John and Jen, as well as the New Warriors continuity nuggets (Poison Memories! Yes!), and I loved the art, but the whole Civil War angst-fest just fell flat for me.

Trying to have it both ways with Jen being conflicted over registration works thematically to a point, but it makes her come off as a little disingenuous. Especially considering the gusto with which she goes after the "villain" of the piece (and Iron Man).

And as for the big reveal . . . I'm sorry, but it just didn't work for me. Maybe it's that Marvel isn't selling me on just how traumatic this event is for the denizens of the MU, but it seems vastly out of character for the antagonist.

I mean, c'mon. Like the Mad Thinker wouldn't have worked just as well?

Anyway, it's an all right issue. Not exactly thrilling, and it'll be nice to get out of crossoverland next month, but overall still solid. And gorgeous. Did I mention gorgeous?

Steven F.

05-24-2006, 05:02 PM

Great issue...

best part? A cameo by Timeslip...and a few panels, and even spoken words, by Ultragirl!

Nice to see Justice, Rage, Slapstick, and Hindsight as well.

drwho

05-24-2006, 05:08 PM

Firestarfan awesome avatar.

malephoenix

05-24-2006, 05:23 PM

Will someone please spoiltag this issue? Pretty please?

Doom Hammer

05-24-2006, 05:35 PM

Did I forget another freakin' issue of She-Hulk! Gah!

Okay, someone spoil the ending please?

The Infraggable Sunnee

05-24-2006, 05:43 PM

Our comic shop only got a total of nine copies of this issue today.

They were all gone by time I got there. :(

drwho

05-24-2006, 05:49 PM

Our comic shop only got a total of nine copies of this issue today.

They were all gone by time I got there. :(

God, I can only hope your store orders more. Hearing things like that make me lose hope that She-Hulk will remain an ongoing.

FrogMan

05-24-2006, 05:57 PM

Yaay. Slapstick!

Yaay. Timeslip.

Yaay. Hindsight.

Awesome issue, and I don't even have it yet. :)

drwho

05-24-2006, 06:08 PM

Was Ultra Girl supposed to be Captain Marvels daughter, a clone, or just a human looking Kree?

Edward J Cunningham

05-24-2006, 06:30 PM

Since this thread has been marked "spoilers", I think it's only fair to begin discussion of the "elephant" in the room that everyone has avoided talking about. Everyone here has got an invitation!

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/Wedding_Invitation.jpg ("http://members2.boardhost.com/SheHulk/" )

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/106_09.jpg

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four_2.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour/)

Haunt

05-24-2006, 06:33 PM

lame. it seems like every book is copying Black Panther, nowadays.

Was Ultra Girl supposed to be Captain Marvels daughter, a clone, or just a human looking Kree?

technically she's a kree-mutate. regular kree, as you know, are blue. but a new "race" of kree-emerged whose dna produced the caucassian skin coloring. Ultra Girl was meant to unify the two races.

Edward J Cunningham

05-24-2006, 06:42 PM

lame. it seems like every book is copying Black Panther, nowadays.

This Dan Slott we are talking about. I don't think he is going to plan a major storyline because of something Reginald Hudlin wrote!

Eddie Cunningham

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four_2.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour/)

drwho

05-24-2006, 06:45 PM

So if the two had kids would she-hulk give birth to a green haired baby wolf? Still interesting how Joe thinks everyone, but Spidey should be married.

Haunt

05-24-2006, 06:55 PM

So if the two had kids would she-hulk give birth to a green haired baby wolf?

probably a little more humanoid

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Oscar_the_grouch_at_smithsonian.jpg

Edward J Cunningham

05-24-2006, 07:10 PM

probably a little more humanoid

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Oscar_the_grouch_at_smithsonian.jpg

To be honest, I'd be surprised if this marriage lasts long. Jennifer and John were on the verge of breaking up when Starfox cast that love spell on them two issues ago. Furthermore, it still does not look like John has completely accepted Jennifer's She-Hulk side. If it were up to him, she'd be human all the time. (Makes you wonder if this is one of those cases where a woman is attracted to a man who reminds her most of her father.) It will be interesting to see how their relationship changes once John's Man-Wolf/Stargod's alter ego re-emerges...

Eddie Cunningham

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour/)

Sean Walsh

05-24-2006, 07:19 PM

Well, I have to say it:

I officially find CIVIL WAR unpleasant, and am glad I'm not buying more Marvel comics right now.

It's hard to ruin a SHE-HULK comic, but even though this was a very good story, and it was AWESOME to see Slapstick and Ultra Girl again, I just really don't like this overbearing superhero registration act story.

Hopefully this is the last time CIVIL WAR intrudes on the pages of SHE-HULK...

(Of course if it did, and the sales go way up, then I'd have to bear with it I guess... ;) :p )

drwho

05-24-2006, 07:20 PM

probably a little more humanoid

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/39/Oscar_the_grouch_at_smithsonian.jpg

Perfect example of a way to promote birth control in this relationship.

Kevinroc

05-24-2006, 07:32 PM

Hopefully this is the last time CIVIL WAR intrudes on the pages of SHE-HULK...

(Of course if it did, and the sales go way up, then I'd have to bear with it I guess... ;) :p )

#8 is the only dedicated She-Hulk crossover issue. But it appeared that this issue was also underordered since I saw only one copy (not my own) left on the rack at a comic book shop.

DarkCrisis

05-24-2006, 07:37 PM

Slapstick! I have his miniseries!

Haunt

05-24-2006, 07:44 PM

Slapstick! I have his miniseries!

why??????????????

CyberCoyote

05-24-2006, 07:50 PM

Personally I despise all this Civil War crap, it really deflates the whole romantic concept of the comic book world and makes it far to weighed down by reality. I guess it was a natural progession with all the Hollywood and Hollywood wanna-bes in the business today.

Be that as it may, I really enjoyed this issue. Leave it to Slott to find a shiney penny in a giant pile of dung :) All the NW cameos, even the arguements between Stark and Jen. She's exposing him for the stinky dirty hypocrite that he is and I like it. Galactus should show up to eat the Earth and the heroes should all just flip them the bird and go to one of the hundreds of thousands of alternate realities they've found in the last fort..er..ten years. Guess that wouldn't make them very good heroes, but for the most part they're being written that way for this concept to work anyway.

Will she marry John before or after he needs regular flea baths? And how will Jen feel when she finds out he's the test pilot for the anti-hero plane the government is working on? Good stuff. Just wish we didn't have to mindlessly slaughter a bunch of New Warriors to get to this point.

Wessner

05-24-2006, 08:10 PM

To be honest, I'd be surprised if this marriage lasts long.
Whereas I think it will last as long as Dan Slott is writing She-Hulk. He's been setting this up since he introduced John as Jen's loving interest back in 2004. It really looks to me like Dan's in this one for the long haul.

Jennifer and John were on the verge of breaking up when Starfox cast that love spell on them two issues ago.
They were having a lovers' quarrel. It might have led to a break up, but it's equally likely that once Jen calmed down and gave John a change to explain himself that they'd have been able to work through their issues.

Furthermore, it still does not look like John has completely accepted Jennifer's She-Hulk side. If it were up to him, she'd be human all the time.
I agree that does look bad for John, but on the other hand John has said that he doesn't share his father's anti superhero bias, a point that is reinforced in this issue with John's refusal to sever his ties with his superhero friends on the advice of his commanding officer.

Every time John as started to explain his preference to Jen he's been interrupted by something. That's a sure sign that there's more to his postion than meets the eye. In this issue we get our first inkling of what that might be with the juxaposition of Shulkie's (paraphrased) "who wouldn't want to be a superhero?" with the scene switch to John. As the Stargod, John had extraordinary power, which he gave up to be with a woman who later dumped him. Throughout his Man-Wolf years John always said he wanted normalcy, but when we look at his life he's never chosen normal careers. When it comes to their self esteem issues and balancing their normal and superhuman roles, Jen and John have a lot in common and can learn a lot from each other.

It will be interesting to see how their relationship changes once John's Man-Wolf/Stargod's alter ego re-emerges...

Yup. Before Starfox put the whammy on her, Jen rightly demanded that John accept her She-Hulk side if we wanted to be with her at all. But that cuts both ways. Will Jen be able to accept John's Man-Wolf side if she wants to be with him?

I think that if Dan Slott has his way Jen and John are going to be married for a long time. Starfox's whammy has complicated the situation, but once that is resolved I don't think these two will get an anullment. They'll have their ups and downs, but they'll pull through.

That line from issue #5 in the previous series, "Something to tell the grandkids about." That wasn't a throwaway joke, that was foreshadowing.

Edward J Cunningham

05-24-2006, 08:27 PM

Whereas I think it will last as long as Dan Slott is writing She-Hulk. He's been setting this up since he introduced John as Jen's loving interest back in 2004. It really looks to me like Dan's in this one for the long haul.

They were having a lover's quarrel. It might have led to a break up, but it's equally like that once Jen calmed down and gave John a change to explain himself that they'd have been able to work through their issues.

I agree that does look bad for John, but on the other hand John has said that he doesn't share his father's anti superhero bias, a point that is reinforced in this issue with John's refusal to sever his ties with his superhero friends on the advice of his commanding officer.

Every time John as started to explain his preference to Jen he's been interrupted by something. That's sure sign that there's more going to his postion than meets the eye. In this issue we get our first inkling of what that might be with the juxaposition of Shulkie's (paraphrased) "who wouldn't want to be a superhero?" with the scene switch to John. As the Stargod, John had extraordinary power, which he gave up to be with a woman who later dumped him. Throughout his Man-Wolf years John always said he wanted normalcy, but when we look at his life he's never chose normal careers. When it comes to their self esteem issues and balancing their normal and superhuman roles, Jen and John have a lot in common and can learn a lot from each other.

Yup. Before Starfox put the whammy on her, Jenk rightly demanded that John accept her She-Hulk side if we wanted to be with her at all. But that cuts both ways. Will Jen be able to accept John's Man-Wolf side if she wants to be with him?

I think that if Dan Slott has his way Jen and John are going to be married for a long time. Starfox's whammy has complicated the situation, but once that is resolved I don't think these two will get an anullment. They'll have their ups and downs, but they'll pull through.

That line from issue #5 in the previous series, "Something to tell the grandkids about." That wasn't a throwaway joke, that was foreshadowing.

One more thing...am I the only one who thinks from the preview pages that Jennifer and Matt might be hunting down John as the Man-Wolf?

Eddie Cunningham

http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/eddiejc1/New_Fem_Four.gif (http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/femfour)

Wessner

05-24-2006, 08:33 PM

One more thing...am I the only one who thinks from the preview pages that Jennifer and Matt might be hunting down John as the Man-Wolf?

Could be. In an interview posted today at Newsarama Dan Slott said that the She-Hulk portions of that book will reveal a significant part of She-Hulk's near future. So they could be tracking John in his savage Man-Wolf phase. Or it could be one of Jen and John's kids who scampered away. ;)

Phoney Bone

05-24-2006, 09:51 PM

Kevinroc

05-24-2006, 10:12 PM

Issue #8 is the only advertised tie-in to Civil War. I may be reading too much into it, but, I like to think Slott was speaking through the characters of Rage and Hindsight to express his feelings on how the New Warriors are being portrayed by the other writers involved in Civil War. I expect Fabian Niceza agreed to be part of the story with Thunderbolts and will do something similar, considering his connection with the New Warriors.

Where Ed Brubaker ignored Civil War and chose for Captain America not to tie-in (which I think is damned funny considering Cap's role in the event), Slott seems to be using the story to take a few jabs at it.

Slott RULES!!!

Captain America #23 and #24 are Civil War tie-in stories.

And Fabian isn't just using Thunderbolts to tie into Civil War. Issues #30-32 of Cable/ Deadpool are also Civil War tie-ins.

And considering that Dan Slott talked about how great he thought of what he read of Civil War in his wordballoon.com interview, I doubt he has any kind of serious hatred for the story.

Will.S

05-24-2006, 11:34 PM

I basically liked just the Civil War parts oddly enough. Continued use of now "superhero hysteria", the reaction from the other two New Warriors (nice costume on Justic BTW), She-Hulk and Jen on sorta opposite sides, Cap officially underground and talking to John....stuff like that.

I'm not too crazy about the idea of She-Hulk marrying John since it seems too soon and maybe even inappropriate in light of Civil War. Plus I'd feel bad for Frank Pug, poor guy. I didn't expect the ending with Hindsight Lad being the culprit though, from what I've read of him online and stuff he would be the least likely to do any of this so it kinda seems like it would be out of character but I dunno, I guess it can work given the circumstances of his fallen comrades.

Paul Smith's artwork is fantastic. Very expressive, simpler and fits much better than Conrad by a long shot. It reminds me a bit of Bobillo's actually.
Not my favorite issue of She-Hulk given the reasons I gave but the CW stuff made it much better for me.

7/10

Zombienorthstar

05-25-2006, 05:28 AM

I think this makes sense...plenty of people use marriage to try and fix cracks ina relationship...it rarely works...maybe we'll get a ' Mrs Bouvier' moment from Pug.

Satana Hellstrom

05-25-2006, 05:55 AM

This is the same Paul Smith that did X-men?

That art looked like quite a step down...
I liked the writing in this issue, but the art was just meh...

FrogMan

05-25-2006, 07:11 AM

What did Hindsight do at the end?

The Cool Thatguy

05-25-2006, 07:35 AM

Captain America #23 and #24 are Civil War tie-in stories.

And Fabian isn't just using Thunderbolts to tie into Civil War. Issues #30-32 of Cable/ Deadpool are also Civil War tie-ins.

And considering that Dan Slott talked about how great he thought of what he read of Civil War in his wordballoon.com interview, I doubt he has any kind of serious hatred for the story.

Actually, Fabian's doing a three part arc in Thunderbolts that addresses the Civil War crossover. Something tells me the Thunderbolts will be Stark's biggest enforcers

Lex

05-25-2006, 07:40 AM

This is the only Civil War book I've gotten, and it wasn't that bad. For a crossover tie-in, I was able to understand what was going on. And I though Dan got a lot of good character drama out of the Civil War situation. I enjoyed the portrayal of Justice and Rage. Though I was surprised that She-Hulk's recent trouble transforming was mostly down to Scarlett Witch's spell. I thought it was more psychological than that.

Great, great issue!I think that if Dan Slott has his way Jen and John are going to be married for a long time. Starfox's whammy has complicated the situation, but once that is resolved I don't think these two will get an anullment. They'll have their ups and downs, but they'll pull through.I think Slott is ultimately setting up Pug as the hero. But it's going to be a long, hard journey for him. He'll have to survive Jen and John's engagement and possibly some of the wedding before he'll be able to expose Starfox's spell. That's my guess.

FrogMan

05-25-2006, 07:59 AM

Yes, but can someone please tell me what Hindsight did???

:)

CMBMOOL

05-25-2006, 08:05 AM

Great, great issue!I think Slott is ultimately setting up Pug as the hero. But it's going to be a long, hard journey for him. He'll have to survive Jen and John's engagement and possibly some of the wedding before he'll be able to expose Starfox's spell. That's my guess.

How is that even possible for Starfox's spell is truly affecting the She-Hulk is my question ? :confused:

Where is the evidence based on this or is it that I haven't read the Starfox case close enough ? :(

Wessner

05-25-2006, 08:29 AM

How is that even possible for Starfox's spell is truly affecting the She-Hulk is my question ? :confused:

In issue #6 John and She-Hulk were having a lovers' quarrel over John's preference of Jen over She-Hulk. Starfox tells them they're perfect for each other and suddenly they're making up, the previous argument swept aside. To reinforce the idea that Starfox has put a whammy on them, we next see him do the same thing to Mallory Book and Awesome Andy.

So Jen and John were already a couple, but Starfox's action has reinforced the positive side of their relationship.

subnaut

05-25-2006, 09:09 AM

How come no one's mentioned the letter page yet? Someone -- anyone -- write a letter and save our lovely comic from such horrific abuse!

CMBMOOL

05-25-2006, 09:20 AM

How come no one's mentioned the letter page yet? Someone -- anyone -- write a letter and save our lovely comic from such horrific abuse!

This issue's letter pages were letters from the previous She-Hulk titles.

So sorry!! :(

jade_nova

05-25-2006, 09:27 AM

I am surprised that no one has brought up Captain America's apperance in here. I was expecting we would see him again in the second issue of Civil War not before. I wonder how he feels about living in a basement after living in a mansion for years.

subnaut

05-25-2006, 09:27 AM

This issue's letter pages were letters from the previous She-Hulk titles.

So sorry!! :(

I know. That's why people need to write more, so we don't have to read previous letters about how crappy she-hulk is. (Although it was kind of a funny gimmick)

FrogMan

05-25-2006, 06:19 PM

Is issues 155-163 the issues of Marvel Comics Presents that have the New Warriors/Slapstick team-up, or are there two NW stories in a row?

(used to own them, but they've gone missing)

Will.S

05-25-2006, 06:32 PM

I am surprised that no one has brought up Captain America's apperance in here.
I mentioned it :p

Sean Walsh

05-25-2006, 07:34 PM

Slapstick! I have his miniseries!

why??????????????

Because the '90s were a time of pure unadulterated (and very silly) fun.

Those days are gone now.......... :(

CMBMOOL

05-26-2006, 08:41 AM

I am surprised that no one has brought up Captain America's apperance in here.

I mentioned it :p

I mentioned it at the beginning of this thread. :(

Eric_Carnaby

05-26-2006, 08:20 PM

why??????????????
Cuz that's the kind of crap Slott loves to write?

Ms. Kinnikufan

05-26-2006, 08:21 PM

I was pleasently surprised that someone remembered the exsistence of Timeslip.
I was a big fan of the very first New Warriors series.

PaxHouse

05-27-2006, 10:43 AM

I was pleasently surprised that someone remembered the exsistence of Timeslip.
I was a big fan of the very first New Warriors series.

So was I....especially since neither Rina nor Carlton made any appearances (though they MIGHT have, had it not been cancelled) during the Warriors Second Run.....:evilangry :(

MakeshiftHero

05-28-2006, 12:56 AM

Kevinroc

05-28-2006, 01:10 AM

Ive never been a big fan of she-hulk so I didn't pick up this issue. But I thought that this one would have the "sole surviving N.W." But after reading yalls posts I'm confused. So are all the NW's dead? and Justice was put on trial?

The surviving New Warrior will be in Civil War: Frontline.

This issue was dedicated to the former NW who wanted to take down the website devoted to outing them.

This issue didn't tell us who the survivor was.

MakeshiftHero

05-28-2006, 01:50 AM

The surviving New Warrior will be in Civil War: Frontline.

This issue was dedicated to the former NW who wanted to take down the website devoted to outing them.

This issue didn't tell us who the survivor was.

Oh alright, thanks a lot for clearing that up for me.

doomworm

05-28-2006, 02:01 AM

Slapstick! I have his miniseries!
why??????????????
Because DarkCrisis has a few cool miniseries. I'm sure you can find them on ebay, Haunt. :D

gary

05-28-2006, 03:12 AM

Were any of the Warriors actually outed by this website?

Harold of the Rocks

05-28-2006, 03:43 AM

Yes, but can someone please tell me what Hindsight did???

:)After it was all over, he said "I told you so!". What did you expect?

And what's with the glasses? I thought Hindsight was 20/20?

PaxHouse

05-28-2006, 11:18 PM

Were any of the Warriors actually outed by this website?

I believe that the former Warriors that were 'exposed' were Rina Patel AKA Timeslip & Debrii, to my knowledge;with close calls for Alex Power/Zero-G/Powerhouse, Slapstick & Firestar.....

stormkid

05-29-2006, 03:30 AM

FrogMan

05-29-2006, 08:25 AM

Night Thrasher's girlfriend, Silhouette, you mean? Not his sister.

Haunt

05-29-2006, 08:37 AM

I enjoyed slapstick in this issue but it made me wonder about other NW like Turbo and Nighttrasher's sister ( The one with cruches). Were they so unpopular that they were not included? This comic rocks on so many levels!

having Sil appear would undoubtedly invite the presence of another...whose name i won't say. this trenchcoat, shade wearing, bad haircut-having, retro-stereotype whose name should never be uttered is dating Silhouette. so, if the price of avoiding this character is the absence of Silhouette, i shall gladly pay it!

StoneGold

05-29-2006, 03:53 PM

having Sil appear would undoubtedly invite the presence of another...whose name i won't say. this trenchcoat, shade wearing, bad haircut-having, retro-stereotype whose name should never be uttered is dating Silhouette. so, if the price of avoiding this character is the absence of Silhouette, i shall gladly pay it!
No, he broke up with her and started dating Gambit's ex.

StoneGold

05-29-2006, 10:35 PM

Sudden thought, was Cap hiding out in Project: Rebirth?

stormkid

05-30-2006, 01:21 AM

Night Thrasher's girlfriend, Silhouette, you mean? Not his sister.
Yup, sorry its been awhile since reading NWs.

Xero

06-03-2006, 06:40 AM

Well if Thrash is dead it would make sense for Bandit to come back and start a new team. And where is Silhouette? At the very least a reaction shot about Dwayne's death with her crying and her brother Midnight's Fire laughing his ass off would be interesting.

By the way there were close to twenty-five New Warriors and associates, way too many to kill off in a single issue of any comic.

Gaz

06-04-2006, 08:13 AM

Whereas I think it will last as long as Dan Slott is writing She-Hulk. He's been setting this up since he introduced John as Jen's loving interest back in 2004. It really looks to me like Dan's in this one for the long haul.

They were having a lovers' quarrel. It might have led to a break up, but it's equally likely that once Jen calmed down and gave John a change to explain himself that they'd have been able to work through their issues.

I agree that does look bad for John, but on the other hand John has said that he doesn't share his father's anti superhero bias, a point that is reinforced in this issue with John's refusal to sever his ties with his superhero friends on the advice of his commanding officer.

Every time John as started to explain his preference to Jen he's been interrupted by something. That's a sure sign that there's more to his postion than meets the eye. In this issue we get our first inkling of what that might be with the juxaposition of Shulkie's (paraphrased) "who wouldn't want to be a superhero?" with the scene switch to John. As the Stargod, John had extraordinary power, which he gave up to be with a woman who later dumped him. Throughout his Man-Wolf years John always said he wanted normalcy, but when we look at his life he's never chosen normal careers. When it comes to their self esteem issues and balancing their normal and superhuman roles, Jen and John have a lot in common and can learn a lot from each other.

Yup. Before Starfox put the whammy on her, Jen rightly demanded that John accept her She-Hulk side if we wanted to be with her at all. But that cuts both ways. Will Jen be able to accept John's Man-Wolf side if she wants to be with him?

I think that if Dan Slott has his way Jen and John are going to be married for a long time. Starfox's whammy has complicated the situation, but once that is resolved I don't think these two will get an anullment. They'll have their ups and downs, but they'll pull through.

That line from issue #5 in the previous series, "Something to tell the grandkids about." That wasn't a throwaway joke, that was foreshadowing.

Possibly. I still feel a bit odd about it, especially considering that I saw said "quarrel" as the last straw in John's BS about her having the spotlight, being stronger than him and just generally being his father's son. I think he'd prefer Jennifer as the girl who stayed in to study on weekends at college as opposed to the more outgoing and decisive woman she is. He has an older sensibility about that stuff and I think he'd be unhappy without that feeling that he has to protect and look after the woman he's with. He's in love with part of her, or was (Look at the Hydra dude, Eros can seriously alter your personality if he's not careful), while Pug accepts all of her. It's a frickin' John Hughes movie, and Molly Walters ain't ending up with the jock who only likes the side he wants to see.

Did love the whole Cap underground bit, as well as Justice and Rage bringing him up.

Edward J Cunningham

06-04-2006, 10:10 AM

Possibly. I still feel a bit odd about it, especially considering that I saw said "quarrel" as the last straw in John's BS about her having the spotlight, being stronger than him and just generally being his father's son. I think he'd prefer Jennifer as the girl who stayed in to study on weekends at college as opposed to the more outgoing and decisive woman she is. He has an older sensibility about that stuff and I think he'd be unhappy without that feeling that he has to protect and look after the woman he's with. He's in love with part of her, or was (Look at the Hydra dude, Eros can seriously alter your personality if he's not careful), while Pug accepts all of her. It's a frickin' John Hughes movie, and Molly Walters ain't ending up with the jock who only likes the side he wants to see.

Did love the whole Cap underground bit, as well as Justice and Rage bringing him up.

It would be WAY out of character for John Jameson to be upset with Jennifer simply because she is a superheroine. Look at all the times he has befriended or helped out superheroes in the past. His commanding officer specifically told him to stay away from his superhero friends and Captain America trusted him enough to seek him out. I suspect the reason he is uncomfortable with Jennifer as the She-Hulk is because her alter ego reminds him of Man-Wolf/Stargod. SPOILER! Since John appears on the cover of two future issues AS Man-Wolf, I suspect this issue will be address in issues #10 and #11 END SPOILERS!

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Gaz

06-04-2006, 10:22 AM

It would be WAY out of character for John Jameson to be upset with Jennifer simply because she is a superheroine. Look at all the times he has befriended or helped out superheroes in the past. His commanding officer specifically told him to stay away from his superhero friends and Captain America trusted him enough to seek him out. I suspect the reason he is uncomfortable with Jennifer as the She-Hulk is because her alter ego reminds him of Man-Wolf/Stargod. SPOILER! Since John appears on the cover of two future issues AS Man-Wolf, I suspect this issue will be address in issues #10 and #11 END SPOILERS!

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I didn't mean it was simply a case of him mirroring Jonah (although Young Avengers did a great job explaining HIS problem, as a response to Bucky) but that he's never been in a situation like this where he's so initmately involved and I think his natural tendency in romance is to try and be the old-school shining knight type, and he feels threatened and helpless when he's reminded that Jennifer's perfectly capable not only of taking care of herself but of him too. It's fear of being out of the driver's seat in a setting where he wants/needs to be in it.

Wessner

06-04-2006, 10:42 AM

I didn't mean it was simply a case of him mirroring Jonah
but that he's never been in a situation like this where he's so initmately involved and I think his natural tendency in romance is to try and be the old-school shining knight type, and he feels threatened and helpless when he's reminded that Jennifer's perfectly capable not only of taking care of herself but of him too. It's fear of being out of the driver's seat in a setting where he wants/needs to be in it.

I don't recall anything in John's past appearances to suggest that he has an "old-school shining knight" attitude towards women either professionally or romantically. He's had female bosses before and has worked with superheroes of both genders easily. On his very first date with Jen he was perfectly comfortable in taking orders from her when she hulked out to deal with an emergency. And as far as "being his father's son," the whole point of John Jameson is that he's nothing like his father.

If anything, John's past characterizations suggest that he's very comfortable as a second-in-command type, at least professionally. He makes sure things get done, but he doesn't seem to be a take-charge kind of guy.

Gaz

06-04-2006, 10:48 AM

I don't recall anything in John's past appearances to suggest that he has an "old-school shining knight" attitude towards women either professionally or romantically. He's had female bosses before and has worked with superheroes of both genders easily. On his very first date with Jen he was perfectly comfortable in taking orders from her when she hulked out to deal with an emergency. And as far as "being his father's son," the whole point of John Jameson is that he's nothing like his father.

If anything, John's past characterizations suggest that he's very comfortable as a second-in-command type, at least professionally. He makes sure things get done, but he doesn't seem to be a take-charge kind of guy.
Professional versus personal. I'm sure as a military guy he's fine with being in a chain of command, but in a relationship? It's literally the only thing that makes sense for the whole "I prefer Jen" stuff.
And Jonah and John are somewhat alike in their better qualities. Jonah is fiercely loyal if he considers you worthy, and has a lot of integrity in his own way and is a very protective father.

Edward J Cunningham

06-04-2006, 10:59 AM

Professional versus personal. I'm sure as a military guy he's fine with being in a chain of command, but in a relationship? It's literally the only thing that makes sense for the whole "I prefer Jen" stuff.

No, it isn't. From what I have seen in She-Hulk alone, he does not have any problem with Jennifer being a superheroine and being stronger than him. Not only does he have strong ties with many elite members of the cape set, but in issue #5 of the first season (this was Paul Pelletier's first issue), John did not have any problems with Jen hulking out to save the day when the spillover from the New Warriors/Southpaw battle headed their way. My gut feeling is the opposite of yours---John does NOT have a problem with the fact that Jen is stronger and more powerful than him as a superheroine.

John's problems with She-Hulk seem to surface when they are alone and she is not battling any bad guys. I think my friend Dermie has hit the nail on the head---it may not be the power he has problems with, but the transformations. In other words, let's say Jennifer decided to keep Champion's power gem for herself after her battle with Titania. (She-Hulk #12) She would not need to "hulk out" to wollop the bad guys, and I think John would also not have any problems either. The fact that she has to physically change into another person to get her powers----THAT might be John's problem. If it is, I think it is because of his own history as the Man-Wolf. We will have to see later if you are I are right.

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