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Brian Cronin

05-24-2006, 03:37 AM

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What do you think the standard should be for copying from yourself? I think the first thing it does is eliminate that (sometimes unspoken) sense of "maybe it's just a coincidence that the stories are so similar" from the discussion, as, if you wrote it in the past, it is reasonable that you know you wrote it. But, beyond that, do you think it should be held against a current story if it redoes a story the writer has done before? Does it really matter, if the story itself is good?

I am not sure, myself, but I couldn't help but feel somewhat disappointed by the scene in X-Factor #7, where Siryn, upon learning that her father was dead, reacted in the metafictional way of "Yeah right, X-Men never actually die," which is a plot that writer Peter David has used before, in the pages of the Incredible Hulk, when Nick Fury was "killed" by the Punisher, and his friends all doubted he actually died. There IS a slight difference, in that in that story, at the end, they eventually admitted he was dead, while Siryn has yet to reach that point by the end of this issue. Then again, in that issue, the characters were guest-stars, so there would not BE a chance for David to deal with their coming to terms, while here, Siryn is a cast member, so he would be able to deal with her coming to terms with Banshee's death.

Outside of my misgivings with this scene, this issue was strong, especially the very nice artwork from Ariel Olivetti, whose art has a much lighter touch than usual. Jose Villarrubia is still doing the color art, though, so he keeps the book looking consistent. Although, we didn't get to see if he drew Wolfsbane with the stupid giant wolf head or not, so that's a shame (On that note, check out how cool Dennis Calero is - he's doing a contest (http://www.digitalwebbing.com/news/050906-1.html) about the typid Wolfsbane head topic. VERY cool of him, even though it doesn't really detract from the lameness of Wolfsbane's giant wolf head).

The exchange in this issue between Madrox and Singularity Investigations is excellent. From their offers to give the X-Factor crew exclusive contracts, and later, to just buy out X-Factor, to the interesting banter between them over Jamie Madrox's insistence on finding out WHO was behind Decimation (which will, of course, ultimately lead to an awkward exchange when Jamie finds out who it actually was), to the window breaking scene that inspired the cover. Top notch stuff.

In addition, the tape Banshee made for his daughter was funny, and nice. And the "Shaun Cassidey is dead?" scene borders on the "too dumb to be funny" line, but just toes the line, I think.

Also, I am confused - I thought Banshee ended up NOT saving the lives of the people on the other plane, which they say he DID in this issue. Was Cyclops just lying, or is that a communication mistake between editors? Also, how lame was it that Banshee didn't even save the civilians?

So, all together, it was a good issue, I think. I would recommend it, with the reservation that it is pretty dorky to reuse story ideas.

Cross-posted here (http://goodcomics.blogspot.com/2003/05/x-factor-7-review.html).

Madrox84

05-24-2006, 01:06 PM

Sounds like a good issue... I shall be getting a copy tomorrow.

Doom Hammer

05-24-2006, 05:52 PM

See, I didn't know about the Nick Fury thing, and I thought Siryn's reaction was depressing and well-written and horribly sad...

Young Avenger

05-24-2006, 08:38 PM

Beast

05-24-2006, 08:56 PM

Siryn's reaction was depressing. She refuses to believe that her dad is dead and he'll be back. She must be heavy denial or she has mistaken him for the Phoenix. And Strong Guy's reaction was priceless.
Strong Guy's reaction was pretty much the only good thing about the issue. Though I did like Sean's message to Theresa. Otherwise, it didn't wow me at all.

Young Avenger

05-24-2006, 09:19 PM

Strong Guy's reaction was pretty much the only good thing about the issue. Though I did like Sean's message to Theresa. Otherwise, it didn't wow me at all.

I had a hard time reading Sean's message. The way his accent was written made a few of the words a bit dufficult for me to understand. I don't know much about Sean but from the video it seem he wasn't really close with Theresa. Correct me if Im wrong.

rilokyle

05-24-2006, 09:23 PM

I'm so excited to get this issue! It sounds pretty decent. Then again, what X-Factor issue isn't amazing?? ;)

Faded

05-24-2006, 09:28 PM

Did this issue show M react to Banshee's death?

I think a mention of the Gen X conspiracy would be appropriate, Mr David. ;) :cool:

Beast

05-24-2006, 09:30 PM

I had a hard time reading Sean's message. The way his accent was written made a few of the words a bit dufficult for me to understand. I don't know much about Sean but from the video it seem he wasn't really close with Theresa. Correct me if Im wrong.
He wasn't. Remember, Black Tom raised Theresa for much of her life. Sean had no clue she was his daughter until she was much older. And Sean should have mentioned the Leperchauns on the message. :D

Faded

05-24-2006, 09:30 PM

I'm so excited to get this issue! It sounds pretty decent. Then again, what X-Factor issue isn't amazing?? ;)

I know, right? I'm excited too. :cool:

Beast

05-24-2006, 09:30 PM

Did this issue show M react to Banshee's death?

I think a mention of the Gen X conspiracy would be appropriate, Mr David. ;) :cool:
M doesn't really react much at all, other than being generally bitchy and snarking at Strong Guy for thinking that they were talking about Shaun Cassidey. :p

Young Avenger

05-24-2006, 09:31 PM

Did this issue show M react to Banshee's death?

She was upset like the rest of the X-Factor crew. Though she did get angry at Strong Guy for thinking that Shaun Cassidy died.

Edit: Beast beat me to it

Young Avenger

05-24-2006, 09:34 PM

He wasn't. Remember, Black Tom raised Theresa for much of her life. Sean had no clue she was his daughter until she was much older. And Sean should have mentioned the Leperchauns on the message. :D

I didn't know that. I was puzzled why Sean say he was glad that Theresa started using his last name, embracing her hestiage and wanting to spend more time with her. It sucks being an X-n00b.

rilokyle

05-24-2006, 09:38 PM

I hope PAD really sinks his fingers into M in the near future, as I feel like he hasn't done much with her so far. She's a tough character who doesn't show her emotions, or her weaknesses that often, despite all the baggage she carries. I'm looing forward to how PAD develops her as she's a pretty enigmatic person most of the time. For example, I would love if she had a breakdown over Banshee's death in a few issues, revealing that she had been holding in all the pain. I really like M and I hope she gets some spotlight soon!

Beast

05-24-2006, 09:43 PM

I didn't know that. I was puzzled why Sean say he was glad that Theresa started using his last name, embracing her hestiage and wanting to spend more time with her. It sucks being an X-n00b.
This will help:

http://www.mutanthigh.com/siryn.html

Faded

05-24-2006, 09:47 PM

M doesn't really react much at all, other than being generally bitchy and snarking at Strong Guy for thinking that they were talking about Shaun Cassidey. :p

She was upset like the rest of the X-Factor crew. Though she did get angry at Strong Guy for thinking that Shaun Cassidy died.

Thanks guys.

Is Shaun Cassidey a real person? :confused:

I hope PAD really sinks his fingers into M in the near future, as I feel like he hasn't done much with her so far. She's a tough character who doesn't show her emotions, or her weaknesses that often, despite all the baggage she carries. I'm looing forward to how PAD develops her as she's a pretty enigmatic person most of the time. For example, I would love if she had a breakdown over Banshee's death in a few issues, revealing that she had been holding in all the pain. I really like M and I hope she gets some spotlight soon!

Yeah, that'd be great. :)

Alex A Sanchez

05-24-2006, 09:51 PM

First off, you can't fault PAD for not having the most creative Eisner Award winning issue featuring Theresa's reaction to her father's death: I'm pretty sure it wasn't even his idea to kill Banshee in the first place. The event happened, and it needed to be dealt with. And it did. And it was in character, and even provided us with a classic Guido moment (there haven't been too many of those lately, so I for one, was happy). Plus, the video was well done.

The most shocking part of this issue to me the revelation that Tryp killed Jamie's parents. I'm a huge Madrox fan (I even own his first appearance), and this new piece of information technically makes Tryp Jamie's arch enemy (since the death of Dr. and Mrs. Madrox is part of Jamie's origin). My interest is peaked.

And what do we have to look forward to in the future? Well Quicksilver is here next issue. And in issue #9 X-Factor battles the Astonishing X-Men!!!! Watching X-Factor kick the crap out of X-Force in the early 90's was one of the highlights of my comic reading career- I'd love to see history repeat itself. Hopefully Pietro sticks around and fights alongside his former teammates, because they will need all the help they can get going up against the big boys!

The Lucky One

05-24-2006, 09:51 PM

Siryn's reaction was depressing. She refuses to believe that her dad is dead and he'll be back. She must be heavy denial or she has mistaken him for the Phoenix.

It may be depressing, but you can't exactly blame her... the ratio of dead X-Men who've later returned to those who've actually stayed dead has gotta be about 3:1. I know what PAD was shooting for on a surface level with her reaction, but (and maybe I'm just reading too much into it) I think he also meant it to be read in a more subtle, removed context as well; namely stepping back and recalling the fact that, well, Siryn's right... odds are he WILL be back someday.

Anyway, enjoyed it, though I'll reserve judgment about the whole Tryp having killed Jamie's parents thing. Don't get me wrong, if there were anything about Jamie crying out for more backstory, it was his pre-Muir Island life; but we'll have to see what PAD has in mind to change "killed by freak tornado" to "murdered by private investigator."

-D

Young Avenger

05-24-2006, 09:52 PM

Thanks guys.

Is Shaun Cassidey a real person? :confused:

Shaun Cassidey is a real person. He is the brother of David Cassidey and he was a musican and actor in the 70s. He did a T.V. show called "The Hardy Boys" and he was a heart thorb in his day.

This will help:

http://www.mutanthigh.com/siryn.html

Thanx :D

Beast

05-24-2006, 10:02 PM

And what do we have to look forward to in the future? Well Quicksilver is here next issue. And in issue #9 X-Factor battles the Astonishing X-Men!!!! Watching X-Factor kick the crap out of X-Force in the early 90's was one of the highlights of my comic reading career- I'd love to see history repeat itself. Hopefully Pietro sticks around and fights alongside his former teammates, because they will need all the help they can get going up against the big boys!
Oh goody. Taking bets that we're due for yet another horribly out of character appearance of the Astonishing X-Men Team, where they're written like amatures. It's going to be X-Men/Runaways all over again. Hooray. I have faith in PAD, so I hope he'll surprise me. But I'm not going to get my hopes up yet.

Alex A Sanchez

05-24-2006, 10:08 PM

Oh goody. Taking bets that we're due for yet another horribly out of character appearance of the Astonishing X-Men Team, where they're written like amatures. It's going to be X-Men/Runaways all over again. Hooray. I have faith in PAD, so I hope he'll surprise me. But I'm not going to get my hopes up yet.

Speaking of out-of-character characters, you call yourself the Beast, yet I don't remember the real Beast ever being so pessimistic. PAD always writes the X-men in character when they are featured in his books. Take Cyclops' appearance in X-Factor #7 today, or X-Factor #70 of the old book. Or any of the Executioner's song issues. Didn't PAD write a very notable Wolverine story (that Wolverine lovers are always recommending)?

The Lucky One

05-24-2006, 10:09 PM

Oh goody. Taking bets that we're due for yet another horribly out of character appearance of the Astonishing X-Men Team, where they're written like amatures. It's going to be X-Men/Runaways all over again. Hooray. I have faith in PAD, so I hope he'll surprise me. But I'm not going to get my hopes up yet.

...or, as they put it in the letters page, "because, gosh darn it, nine issues is long enough to forego having Wolverine show up."

-D, confident it'll be a great guest appearance with an actual point to it...

Volk1

05-24-2006, 10:16 PM

The most shocking part of this issue to me the revelation that Tryp killed Jamie's parents. I'm a huge Madrox fan (I even own his first appearance), and this new piece of information technically makes Tryp Jamie's arch enemy (since the death of Dr. and Mrs. Madrox is part of Jamie's origin). My interest is peaked.

And what do we have to look forward to in the future? Well Quicksilver is here next issue. And in issue #9 X-Factor battles the Astonishing X-Men!!!! Watching X-Factor kick the crap out of X-Force in the early 90's was one of the highlights of my comic reading career- I'd love to see history repeat itself. Hopefully Pietro sticks around and fights alongside his former teammates, because they will need all the help they can get going up against the big boys!

Dude, I agree with everything......but first off...

*I just re-read the Phalanx Covenant and echoing what rilokyle said, I do hope that they can show (even if it's a couple panels) M being a lot more sympathetic to Banshee's death. He was a mentor to her after all....although we do see her get mad at Guido when he makes his mistake.....that had to be some sort of release for her....but probably not enough...

* I thought this was an incredible issue. PAD does it again. This book is the BEST X-Book in the world right now. I truly felt sad about Banshee - especially after re-reading the Phalanx Covenant. He was always an outsider to the core of the X-Men, mostly due to faults of his own, but it just made me sad that he wasn't a bigger part of it. I really loved that video of him, I thought it was really humbling that he would make a contingency video of him for Theresa in case of death. Sure he didn't raise her, but he still loved her. When you're part of the X-family it's pretty damn tough to stay grounded and all and keeping in touchw with family is pretty hard to do especially if you're not really close to begin with or you're on different teams.....I'm sure Theresa's denial is a form of grievance despite PAD's subtle nudge to how valid "Death" is in the X-world....

*Rictor was awesome! He had one line and just sat there but man can he really pull off being depressing!! lol...I love it.....His facial expressions were so life-like....*I'm a nerd*:p

*Anyways, I have to agree with Alex A. The revelation concerning Jamie's parents is a great twist, one that kind of brings his life (for now) into a full circle. If he ends up defeating the Tryp's, he has avenged his family. But maybe PAD has a long-standing plot line for the Tryps to be Madrox's long-term enemy. OR...just going on a limb here...maybe Jamie will kill off Daddy Tryp but will have to contend with Tryp Jr. for many years to come. Either way, I soooo enjoyed that revealing piece there and am eager to see how Jamie combats it...:)

*How could Jamie's dupe pass up $50 million!!!!! *:eek:

*I soooo thought that Jamie's dupe WAS Jamie.....and when we see Jamie standing on the rooftop staring down the Tryp's..that was badass! I wasn't expecting that....PAD is so good.

*Quicksilver next issue!!! I'm more excited about Quicksilver than the Astonishing cast but that's just an extra bonus!! Bring it on PAD, I'll be first in line!:D

cyclops2500

05-24-2006, 10:19 PM

I liked this issue, but I'm really waiting for next issue. I loved PAD's take on Quicksilver in the previous X-Factor. I can't wait to see him here.

The Lucky One

05-24-2006, 10:28 PM

*How could Jamie's dupe pass up $50 million!!!!! *:eek:

Well, he's the Multiple Man, sooo..... if money really interested him, he could probably make that much himself in a matter of two or three years.

On rereading the issue, noticed something else that eluded me the first time- Tryp Jr. refers to Tryp Sr. as "my 'father'," not "my father." Note the quotation marks. Lends more weight to the theory that Tryp Jr. is a duplicate of Sr. and that they're another multiple man, perhaps with some connection to Clay from the Madrox miniseries. And their respective appointment book and journal entry use almost the exact same phrase about "do not expect that meeting will end particularly well," which may be a clue or may just be PAD making a joke. Time will tell.

Other thoughts:

-Jamie appears to now be wearing two rings, one with the letter "J" and the other an "M." Never noticed them before... artistic license, or something that'll mean something in the future?

-People are wondering why M didn't show more emotion, but I was more surprised by Wolfsbane; as Moira's longtime lover, Banshee was essentially Rahne's foster father. I'm surprised she wasn't up there trying to comfort Theresa, instead of just moping downstairs with everyone. But maybe we'll get more of her and M's reactions next issue.

-D

Volk1

05-24-2006, 10:29 PM

Outside of my misgivings with this scene, this issue was strong, especially the very nice artwork from Ariel Olivetti, whose art has a much lighter touch than usual. Jose Villarrubia is still doing the color art, though, so he keeps the book looking consistent.

Have to agree with this. The pencils/colors receive no complaints from me this issue, although I'm getting used to Calero's work. I like the dark tones he brings to the book that started with Sook...(I miss Sook even more :( )

*Forgot to mention: Theresa gets Cassidy Keep now! That means X-Factor can have a cool European getaway base if they ever need it! :cool:

Volk1

05-24-2006, 10:37 PM

On rereading the issue, noticed something else that eluded me the first time- Tryp Jr. refers to Tryp Sr. as "my 'father'," not "my father." Note the quotation marks. Lends more weight to the theory that Tryp Jr. is a duplicate of Sr. and that they're another multiple man, perhaps with some connection to Clay from the Madrox miniseries. And their respective appointment book and journal entry use almost the exact same phrase about "do not expect that meeting will end particularly well," which may be a clue or may just be PAD making a joke. Time will tell.

-D

Good eyes TLO.....very interesting indeed. Makes me wonder how many other clones (if it all) there could be. Maybe the Tryps ARE going to last in more ways than one...

And I liked that "do not expect line..."..it was pure PAD. I thought it was a joke at first but now that you've mention it, it could be a connection between the two. PAD kills two stones with one bird there...

*Another thing I forgot to mention* I loved the two panels where Jamie's dupe is sitting silent in the first one than explodes in laughter in from of Tryp's face in the second one, mocking his contract offer. I actually 'laughed out loud' .....Jamie dupes are a riot :D

Alex A Sanchez

05-24-2006, 11:42 PM

People are wondering why M didn't show more emotion, but I was more surprised by Wolfsbane; as Moira's longtime lover, Banshee was essentially Rahne's foster father. I'm surprised she wasn't up there trying to comfort Theresa, instead of just moping downstairs with everyone. But maybe we'll get more of her and M's reactions next issue.

-D

Rictor and Guido were the ones in that scene who didn't have much of a close connection- Everyone else seems appropriately speechless. I'm assuming that news was just broken to them as Scott walked downstairs and out the door- that there wasn't time for Rhane to even go upstairs before Theresa came down on her own.

And I think the Tryps are more likely to be the same person from different points in time rather than a duplicating mutant.

The Lucky One

05-25-2006, 05:58 AM

And I think the Tryps are more likely to be the same person from different points in time rather than a duplicating mutant.

Could be. I noticed that Tryp Jr. is shown to be slightly shorter than his father, so you might be right... one might be young Tryp, the other an older version.

-D

Michael P

05-25-2006, 06:03 AM

The most shocking part of this issue to me the revelation that Tryp killed Jamie's parents.
Huh? Was my copy missing a page, or am I just stupid?

I do hope that they can show (even if it's a couple panels) M being a lot more sympathetic to Banshee's death.
She hasn't shown human emotion up to now; why should she start? (Which is my snarky way of saying M keeps things bottled up, so a lack of outward show of emotion probably isn't the best indicator of whether or not she's torn up about this inside.)

Jack Flash

05-25-2006, 06:56 AM

Fede

05-25-2006, 07:16 AM

I liked this issue less than the others. The art was kind of jarring compared to other issues, and generally I LOVE LOVE LOVE Olivetti's stuff, but this was not my cup, especially following up Sook and Callero. oh well.

i agree with that, this is my favourite book, but i have mixed feelings about the art of this issue, wich sometimes looks great (madrox and tryp), and others remind me of the old excalibur artist (aaron lopresti), wich wasn't one of my favourites :p

just wondering...do you think PAD will deal with the unfinished plot of theresa's possession? i hope so

CMBMOOL

05-25-2006, 08:01 AM

And what do we have to look forward to in the future? Well Quicksilver is here next issue. And in issue #9 X-Factor battles the Astonishing X-Men!!!! Watching X-Factor kick the crap out of X-Force in the early 90's was one of the highlights of my comic reading career- I'd love to see history repeat itself. Hopefully Pietro sticks around and fights alongside his former teammates, because they will need all the help they can get going up against the big boys!

How are we to know that X-factor will be fighting off the Astonishing X-team if it wasn't described in the solictions for that issue ? :confused:

Gaveedra 6

05-25-2006, 09:42 AM

I liked this issue less than the others. The art was kind of jarring compared to other issues, and generally I LOVE LOVE LOVE Olivetti's stuff, but this was not my cup, especially following up Sook and Callero. oh well.

I couldn't place where I'd seen the death denial thing, but now tht you mention it, I think I may have read that hulk ish. it was very deja vu.

I didn't like the false (Banshee saved them all) comment from Rahne. I REALLY didn't like the cartoon horse that Banshee hops on retardedly. That was so out of the blue. just hopped on the horse and left her his pipe? seriously? mmkay.

I did like the Tryp stuff. this issue just felt out of place. Every run has it's weak spots, lets hope PAD picks it up and runs with it from here.

I liked the horse bit, although it would have been funnier if he fell off or something, trying to make a dramatic exit. And the pipe was a nice touch,IMO. That canister had me suspecting some mysterious artifact or key unlocking some secret deep within Cassidy Keep. But the pipe made me remember why I liked Banshee so much. He was just a nice, light-hearted kinda guy, who would totally send Terry his pipe.

I would have liked to have seen more of M's reaction, since she had been with Banshee for years in GenX and then in X-Corps. I like to think there was more to her reaction to his death than just turning up the bitchy, but unfortunately that's all we got to see.

I also usually enjoy Olivetti's art quite a bit more than in this issue. It just semed very generic, and cartoony with no mood or depth or realism. Kind of a jarring contrast to what we'd been given for the last few issues from Callero. Not bad art, per se, but it was much less fitting for the book that I'd expected it to be.

The Tryp/Maddrox bit was interesting though. I like that he challenged Jamie to question those he trusts concerning the Decimation. That's big.

stealthwise

05-25-2006, 10:26 PM

Great issue. Theresa was right, Banshee will be back sometime soon (in comic time anyways, even if it takes twenty years in real time).

I want to see more Guido focus though, as Strong Guy was my favourite of the original 90s X-Factor title.

Haunt

05-25-2006, 10:29 PM

Tryp jr and Jamie look alike.

yeoman

05-25-2006, 11:25 PM

Huh? Was my copy missing a page, or am I just stupid?

Right after Jamie leaves, last panel of the sequence, Tryp senior tells Trup jr. that he killed Jamie's parents. Don't feel bad, it's a blink and you'll miss it kinda thing.

DDM

05-26-2006, 09:42 AM

Gaveedra 6

05-26-2006, 09:49 AM

Siryn's commentary about her dead father, Banshee, is just the truth about the X-Men: No one character stays dead for long. She's right to believe he will be back at some point because he will eventually return. This can be pinpointed back specifically when Jean Grey was resurrected as Marvel Girl in Avengers #263 & Fantastic Four #286 to found X-Factor with the other original X-Men. Phoenix's death in Uncanny X-Men #137 has less of an impact since Jean Grey is an adventurer as Marvel Girl...
Well, umm.... she's Phoenix. You know that means she rises fom the dead in an endless cycle of life and death, right?

Banshees don't usually do that. His resurrection would have to be pretty far-fetched. The dude got pulverized by a plane. I'm not saying it's beyond Marvel to bring him back. It's just not very logical to say he'll be back because Jean came back. He went out like Thunderbird. Arguably, the X-Man with the highest chance of staying dead.

The Lucky One

05-26-2006, 09:55 AM

Banshees don't usually do that.

True. On the other hand, banshees are ghosts, so they're kinda hard to kill anyway...

-D

Gaveedra 6

05-26-2006, 09:58 AM

True. On the other hand, banshees are ghosts, so they're kinda hard to kill anyway...

-D
True. They're supposed to be female as well, right? And fanged I believe.. That wacky Sean Cassidy. He should have gone by "Sonic Leprichaun!!"

Brian M.

05-26-2006, 10:01 AM

You think they'll serve Lucky Charms at the funeral?

Anyway, this is the first issue of X-Factor I bought and I do really like it. I'll be staying on for Civil War and maybde after that.

The Lucky One

05-26-2006, 10:03 AM

True. They're supposed to be female as well, right?

Yep. I think I remember hearing that Stan Lee initially wanted Banshee to be a female. Or am I thinking of some other creator? Maybe it was a later writer who was complaining about it because banshees are supposed to be female. Ah, I can't remember.

-D, wishing he'd run into a succubus; now THAT'S a female demon you can get behind!... er, so to speak...

DDM

05-26-2006, 10:05 AM

Yep. I think I remember hearing that Stan Lee initially wanted Banshee to be a female. Or am I thinking of some other creator? Maybe it was a later writer who was complaining about it because banshees are supposed to be female. Ah, I can't remember.

-D, wishing he'd run into a succubus; now THAT'S a female demon you can get behind!... er, so to speak...

I think the penciler wanted Banshee to be female, but Stan Lee made Banshee male.

DDM

05-26-2006, 10:06 AM

Well, umm.... she's Phoenix. You know that means she rises fom the dead in an endless cycle of life and death, right?

Banshees don't usually do that. His resurrection would have to be pretty far-fetched. The dude got pulverized by a plane. I'm not saying it's beyond Marvel to bring him back. It's just not very logical to say he'll be back because Jean came back. He went out like Thunderbird. Arguably, the X-Man with the highest chance of staying dead.

Jean Grey came back several times. Wolverine came back. Psylocke came back. Colossus cam back. Banshee will be back too.

The Lucky One

05-26-2006, 10:08 AM

While we're on the subject- anyone remember exactly where it was that Banshee was healed of his FIRST throat injury? Not from when "Mystique" slit his throat, but the first time, against Moses Magnum. He lost his sonic scream and then it was eventually healed by the Morlock healer, I know that; but I just realized I've either never read the issue that occured in or don't remember it. Anyone?

-D

Gaveedra 6

05-26-2006, 10:14 AM

Beast

05-26-2006, 01:42 PM

I think the penciler wanted Banshee to be female, but Stan Lee made Banshee male.
Roy Thomas did, yes. And Stan vetoed him. Stan thought it wouldn't look good for to have 5 X-Men fighting a supervillainess.

Jack Flash

05-26-2006, 02:02 PM

Jean Grey came back several times. Wolverine came back. Psylocke came back. Colossus cam back. Banshee will be back too.

but Thunderbird didn't come back. Morph didn't come back. Revanche didn't come back. Joseph didn't come back. Cypher didn't come back.

Beast

05-26-2006, 02:04 PM

but Thunderbird didn't come back. Morph didn't come back. Revanche didn't come back. Joseph didn't come back. Cypher didn't come back.
Give them time. But let's hope not. Well, Cypher wouldn't be so bad. :)

The Lucky One

05-26-2006, 02:10 PM

but Thunderbird didn't come back. Morph didn't come back. Revanche didn't come back. Joseph didn't come back. Cypher didn't come back.

Just playing devil's advocate, none of those were particularly popular characters (even though Cypher rules, wooo!). There's something to be said for the rule made explicit in the recent Dead Girl mini: if a character is popular enough, s/he WILL come back; if not, they'll stay dead. Of those five you listed, they've all either come back in a more abstract/modified sense (Thunderbird through his brother with the same powers carrying on his legacy; Cypher in the form of Douglock/Warlock; Changeling as the Exiles Morph) or another character is around to fulfill their exact function (Psylocke, Magneto). Now, Banshee's got Siryn to carry on his legacy with the same powers, so he could be an exception to the rule, at least for a while; but only time will tell.

-D

DDM

05-26-2006, 03:24 PM

but Thunderbird didn't come back. Morph didn't come back. Revanche didn't come back. Joseph didn't come back. Cypher didn't come back.

Morph does not exist in the mainstream Marvel Universe. In the mainstream reality, he is known as Changeling. Before, Professor Charles Xavier was indeed to die in Uncanny X-Men #42 to boost sagging sales, but in Uncanny X-Men #65, it was revealed to be the mutant Changeling in order to retcon Xavier's supposed "death."

See, even Xavier comes back from the dead...

steve2275

05-27-2006, 08:15 AM

wow guido wasnt 10 feet tall this issue:p

Faded

05-27-2006, 12:48 PM

but Thunderbird didn't come back. Morph didn't come back. Revanche didn't come back. Joseph didn't come back. Cypher didn't come back.

Poor Skin and Synch. :( AND REVANCHE RULES!!!!

Faded

05-27-2006, 12:51 PM

Oh I didn't post my thoughts on the issue.

Hmmm...it was an enjoyable issue but there wasn't anything standout (but I have nothing bad to say about it either). I felt really bad for Siryn and having not read this situation in the Hulk, found it very interesting. I'm SOO glad to see a reaction to a death, especially from someone who shares a special bond with said deceased person.

As for the art, there are some panels I liked (especially with Madrox) but this art style was a little akward to me. Kind of like Mark Brooks, its a strange mix between semi-realistic and cartoony. Still, it was effective nonetheless.

Jack

05-27-2006, 12:57 PM

Haunt

05-27-2006, 05:43 PM

I think that Tryp has the power to create duplicates, but with a different flavour - a temporal ability, taking him from different time periods. The old guy we saw in the earlier issues giving them information about the future could be his older self, and obviously "Jr" is a younger self.

yeah, that much is obvious by this point. i just want to know how he's connected to Madrox.

OT: the actor who played Madrox in the movie perfectly captured the character. i couldn't help but smile whenever the guy got to speak. and they remembered his shirt design.

The Lucky One

05-27-2006, 10:20 PM

OT: the actor who played Madrox in the movie perfectly captured the character. i couldn't help but smile whenever the guy got to speak. and they remembered his shirt design.

Yeah, it was cool. Wish he'd had more to do, but it's great that they included him at all.

Pyro: "James Madrox, incarcerated for robbing seven banks." *pause* "At once."

So I've been thinking about this Astonishing X-Men appearance, and the speculation by some that there's no real point to it. Except the more I think about it, the more it seems like the most logical thing in the world. Think about the facts: X-Factor is investigating the Decimation. They have a new member, Layla Miller, who "knows stuff." During a meeting, Tryp Sr. plants the seed in Jamie's mind that perhaps his X-allies know more about the Decimation than they're letting on. Meanwhile, Cyclops visits Siryn to break the news of Banshee's death, and in front of her, rather clumsily tries to cover up the fact that he clearly recognizes Layla (since the Astonishing team were the most heavily involved in the House of M). Theresa's not stupid... if she mentions to Jamie that Scott recognized Layla, Jamie's going to want to know why, and... well, voila- Astonishing X-Men guest appearance, completely justified and perhaps even necessary in storytelling terms.

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Tommy

05-30-2006, 02:11 PM

Siryn is clearly the smartest person on an X-team.

Jessica Drew

05-31-2006, 11:21 PM

Just got my issue in today.

I loved it. PAD seems to be a master at mixing comedy and tragedy. Theresa's situation was very sad, but I couldn't help grinning now and again over her comments about how the X-Men just don't stay dead.

Madrox and Guido had some great lines, and I loved how PAD adds old film noir references in his comic/noir comic book.

This is my favorite X-comic, and I think it's one of Marvel's best.

streator

06-01-2006, 12:45 AM

Also, I am confused - I thought Banshee ended up NOT saving the lives of the people on the other plane, which they say he DID in this issue. Was Cyclops just lying, or is that a communication mistake between editors? Also, how lame was it that Banshee didn't even save the civilians?

from memory, he did not. banshee tried to but failed and the blackbird crashed into him and the passenger jet, killing all.
i didn't think that it was that lame, given the last time banshee was seen he was recovering from a nearly fatal wound.
i'm not sure why there was a miscommunication in this issue, though.

thanks for the summary, regardless. sounds like a decent issue.

The Lucky One

06-01-2006, 07:38 AM

i'm not sure why there was a miscommunication in this issue, though.

It's not necessarily a miscommunication- IIRC, Rahne said to Theresa that Banshee died saving the people. It's entirely possible she was stretching the truth to try to make Theresa feel slightly better about Sean's death; it's even possible Scott lied to all of them about it for the same reason.

Now where's my No-Prize?

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Volk1

06-01-2006, 10:43 AM

It's not necessarily a miscommunication- IIRC, Rahne said to Theresa that Banshee died saving the people. It's entirely possible she was stretching the truth to try to make Theresa feel slightly better about Sean's death; it's even possible Scott lied to all of them about it for the same reason.

Now where's my No-Prize?

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For some reason, I like the idea of Scott lying. Because like he says, "it comes down to him" to do these kinds of things since he's head of the X-Men.

People hate it, but what can you say, Banshee's act was pretty heroic. There still hasn't been a funeral scene - I wonder which issue of which X-book will it contained in, if they even show one at all?? :(

Beast

06-01-2006, 10:52 AM

For some reason, I like the idea of Scott lying. Because like he says, "it comes down to him" to do these kinds of things since he's head of the X-Men.

People hate it, but what can you say, Banshee's act was pretty heroic. There still hasn't been a funeral scene - I wonder which issue of which X-book will it contained in, if they even show one at all?? :(
Banshee's funeral was in Deadly Genesis #6, along with Sway and Petra's.

Volk1

06-01-2006, 06:16 PM

Banshee's funeral was in Deadly Genesis #6, along with Sway and Petra's.

Yup, that's right Beastie, I forgot all about that. Siryn was there too!

Guess X-Factor #7 runs before that scene....and at least we see Siryn crying in that scene too - guess she now realizes that her "da" is really dead.....

90'sCartoonMan

06-02-2006, 09:53 AM

OT: the actor who played Madrox in the movie perfectly captured the character. i couldn't help but smile whenever the guy got to speak. and they remembered his shirt design.

Wish he looked a little younger, but when I saw that shirt, I totally geeked out.

Guess X-Factor #7 runs before that scene....and at least we see Siryn crying in that scene too - guess she now realizes that her "da" is really dead.....

Nah, she's not accepting Banshee's death, she's actually realizing that even though Sean WILL be back, it'll still be some time before she sees him again. That video made her realize that she is closer to her father than she's ever been, and now, who knows when she'll see him again?

I wonder, if they bring back Banshee, will this issue have more weight to it or less? I can see Siren going "You didn't fool me for a second!"

Interesting theories on Tryp. If he's a time displaced Jamie, does that mean he intentionally killed his parents to help his past self along the way? In any event, I wonder what the connection is...