X3 Thread to Talk About it Once You've Seen It - *Spoilers!* [Archive]

Volk1

05-24-2006, 12:10 AM

SPOILERS! From an American viewing of X-Men 3: The Last Stand

I'll start off with spoilers and then my opinions

Spoilers
Cyclops is persumed dead (but we never see his body) killed by Phoenix.
Phoenix kills Xavier at his home
Wolverine kills Jean at the end

Jean is Phoenix because Xavier put mental blocks in Jean when she was younger as to stop her from making her too powerful too early. This suppression is what causes Dark Phoenix to arrive.

The main X-Men are: Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus

We get two fast ball specials in the movies.

Magneto is depowered BUT in the end he slightly moves a chess piece - and thats where the movie ends

Arclight, Psylocke, and Quill die!

Callisto gets electrocuted by Storm and appears to die but who really knows
Juggernaut runs into a wall that he can't get up from. He's most likely alive

Rogue is depowered - but for how long? It seems like the "cure" does not last long.

My opinions
Rogue got snubbed for Kitty! I thought Kitty rocked though - Ellen Page made a perfect Kitty IMO. Bobby seemed less interested in Rogue in this movie - and takes it a step further when he makes an ice rink for Kitty and they go skating.

Angel didn't do too much. Nothing really at all. Saves his dad at the end. Arrives at the Mansion after Xavier dies.

Hugh Jackman was awesome as Wolverine once again! Pure gold,
Storm was her best in this movie. Halle Berry actually played a definitive role and it shows. She has an awesome battle with Callisto.

Beast rocks!!! Kelsey Grammar really pulled it off

I loved Arclight! She had no speaking lines but she was just cool.

Colossus is great! A funny scene with a TV...lol

That's it for now!!! I'm tired and happy at the same time....maybe I'll do some later but for now....that's it....

Volk1

05-24-2006, 12:22 AM

Couple more spoilers-opinions

Madrox had about 2-3 lines and they were great!

I almost cried when Xavier died!!:(

I got goosebumps when Madrox and Arclight used their powers!!!!

Mystique gets depowered and then rats on where Magneto's secret hideout in the forest is! Go Rebecca Romijn!

Juggernaut/Vinnie Jones was too good. He had a great battle scene against Wolverine and was outright funny!

Faded

05-24-2006, 12:24 AM

Volk1

05-24-2006, 12:28 AM

I can't believe I'm reading spoilers (again) before watching the movie. :p

So Mystique didn't die? I remember reading one of the advanced viewing spoilers saying she dies fairly early on after being depowered.

She's still alive. When she gets depowered she's basically Rebecca Romijn with black hair. But I think the cure doesn't last, so I think she'll be Mystique again if they ever make an X-4!

Oh yean another thing about Madrox!!
He's wearing his Madrox shirt!!! It's so fkn sweet :)

bagheera

05-24-2006, 01:21 AM

:( Must resist urge to read spoilers!:(

Must!

(runs frantically from thread, holding hands over eyes)

See you in a few days!

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 08:23 AM

OK so,

I was kind of disappointed with this movie.

I think I was just expecting too much. They gave us a lot, to be sure. And some of the parts were awesome, but....

THEY LEFT SO MUCH OUT!!!

Also, I keep telling people I was surprised by this movie. I was surprised that there were *NO* surprises!! :\

It didn't feel cohesive at all to me. It was all over the place and over in the blink of an eye.

The best scene is easily the Prof. X death scene.

My list of problems:
-Logan kills Jean. BULLSHIT! She's the god damn Phoenix. She's the only one that can kill herself.

-Logan is the savior in the end. Gets through to Jean. PUH-LEASE! I am so sick of the emphasis on this 'great love' they have. They want to boink each other. The end. It should have been Cyclops.

-Halle Berry needs to go away. She's an awful Storm and there was way too much focus on her half-assed performance. She sounded bored the whole time.

-Scott stays dead. That's silly.

-Where did this movie go? It was so ADD and it felt like it was only 30 min long. They could have spent some time developing characters and relationships and added another 30 min.

-Dark Phoenix could have been darker. Sure she's into killing, but she was so quiet in this movie. She should have been mentally/emotionally messing with people as well as killing them.

-Kitty did nothing for me.

-I don't think Rogue should have/ would have taken the cure. She should have been involved in the fight at the end.

-Angel did nothing. He had no relationship w/ any of the characters (other than his father)

-No Phoenix effect. She's never even on fire. Boo!

Things I liked:

-Mystique was at the top of her game. Wow. Rebecca Romjin is the break out in this film I think. They wrote her really well.

-Beast's movements were awesome. That was hot.

-Jean was Dark Phoenix. YES!

-Whenever someone brought up Scott, Jean would start freaking out and crying and then turn on the Phoenix personality and just tear shit up. I'm glad she at least had some reaction to his death. I was worried she would just be like "whatev"

-Magneto's reaction to Xavier's death. He was horrified and I appreciate that. Also, when Pyro was like "I would have killed Xavier for you" and Mags is like "Shut yo mouth!" That was good.

-I don't care what anyone says, "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch" was funny.

-Jean's parents!!! YAY!

- I'm glad they put so much emphasis on how powerful Jean was. That was nice to hear.

-Magneto- McKellan's whole performance was awesome. When Mystique was cured I loved that he turned his back on her and said "Pity, she used to be so beautiful." That was perfect. Also, when he is cured at the end- loved the dramatic irony.

-Fastball Special, Iceman Icing up, Jean tearing shit up. That was all good.

So, it had a whole lot of awesome, but I wish Singer would have done it. It just felt tacked on to the end of the first two. It was fun, but lacked substance for me.

But, who am I to complain? I got the Dark Phoenix.

And thats my opinion.

Montopolis

05-24-2006, 09:09 AM

This is great thanks a lot for posting this Im stuk in the middle east so I cant see it till its on dvd, Although it seams Im gonna be really mad with this one.

Volk1

05-24-2006, 11:51 AM

OK so,

The best scene is easily the Prof. X death scene.

-Scott stays dead. That's silly.

-Dark Phoenix could have been darker. Sure she's into killing, but she was so quiet in this movie. She should have been mentally/emotionally messing with people as well as killing them.

-No Phoenix effect. She's never even on fire. Boo!

Things I liked:

-Mystique was at the top of her game. Wow. Rebecca Romjin is the break out in this film I think. They wrote her really well.

-Beast's movements were awesome. That was hot.

-Jean was Dark Phoenix. YES!

-Whenever someone brought up Scott, Jean would start freaking out and crying and then turn on the Phoenix personality and just tear shit up. I'm glad she at least had some reaction to his death. I was worried she would just be like "whatev"

-Magneto's reaction to Xavier's death. He was horrified and I appreciate that. Also, when Pyro was like "I would have killed Xavier for you" and Mags is like "Shut yo mouth!" That was good.

-I don't care what anyone says, "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch" was funny.

- I'm glad they put so much emphasis on how powerful Jean was. That was nice to hear.

-Magneto- McKellan's whole performance was awesome. When Mystique was cured I loved that he turned his back on her and said "Pity, she used to be so beautiful." That was perfect. Also, when he is cured at the end- loved the dramatic irony.

-Fastball Special, Iceman Icing up, Jean tearing shit up. That was all good.

So, it had a whole lot of awesome, but I wish Singer would have done it. It just felt tacked on to the end of the first two. It was fun, but lacked substance for me.

My response to some of this....

Sir Ian McKellan WAS awesome as usual. I now cannot now see any other person to have played this role. He really knows how to shell out the drama....his stance with Mystique was a great touch and that's how it should have went down.....if she's no longer a mutant then she really is no help...I liked what the President said when it was revealed that Mystique was giving them Magneto's secret location "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" lol

The Juggernaut was pretty awesome "are you going to let me out of here? I have to pee" lol and the "bitch" line was great too....I was kinda sad that Xavier and Juggernaut didn't have a relationship as they passed each other but there was no recognition...
Juggernaut looked huge and menacing though....

I'm surprised Jean went with Magneto - it seemed like she was just following him cause they were the bad guys. Like she was playing a game and all she wanted to do was be naughty....

When Magneto's crew attacks Alcatraz, Jean could have taken out the whole island - of course we wouldn't have had the awesome action, but still I think Jean could have destroyed everyone and everything to get Leech....

Scott isn't dead!!!! They never recovered the body and you know what that means in comic-terms....:cool:

Volk1

05-24-2006, 12:03 PM

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 12:48 PM

This is about a little scene after the credits roll!

Xavier isn't dead!!! His consciousness was transported into another body, as they were explaining earlier on in the film.

So, his mind is in a non-Patrick Stewart body, but he's alive nonetheless!!

That's weird.

I didn't stay for the bit after the credits (I forgot) but that will be new to me on Friday. :)

I wish they would have brought Scott back : \

Exodus

05-24-2006, 01:07 PM

Funny scrolling down this thread and seeing lots of big empty posts...:p

In any case i Loved the movie, it didnt Suck, what else can anyone ask?

Sure i question certain desitions, like i would have like to see the Phoenix Raptor!!!!!!!!!!!

But the fight vs Phoenix was good. In the comicbook Wolverine ALMOST gets to kill Dark Phoenix, but fails. This was basically the same scene with another outcome.

Im a BIG Kitty fan and seeing her portayed SO well in the fight vs Juggernaut, she basically kicked his ass... the JUGGERNAUT ffs!!
THAT was awesome, had me at the tip of my seat.

I think the big question is, WILL we see another movie?

Rogue lost her powers, this seemed wrong to me, UNLESS they are planning to bring her back in another movie with some kind of change.

Xavier switched bodies.

Magneto Seemed to be getting his powers back, wich apperently means the cure is not permanent.

We NEVER saw Cyclops die.

All this seems to indicate they are at least leaving the opportunity open for another movie..

How cool would it be if a Scientist calling himself Nathaniel Essex suddenly came up with a anti cure, to revert Mutants back...

-Exodus

Nyssane

05-24-2006, 02:26 PM

How does Arclight die? And jeangreydp, does Sara Grey show up? She's not in the credit list at IMDB :( I'll be sad if I don't get any Sara goodness.

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 02:34 PM

How does Arclight die? And jeangreydp, does Sara Grey show up? She's not in the credit list at IMDB :( I'll be sad if I don't get any Sara goodness.

Arclight is disintergrated by Jean.

And there was no Sara. At the end, there is a family on the bridge in their car and for whatever reason I was thinking the wife is going to be Sara. But, if she was intended to be, they never said.

But it would have been funny if she would have been like "Holy shit, that's my little sister tearing up San Fran with Magneto out there"

Huzzah!

05-24-2006, 04:04 PM

how psylocke die? Thats weak. But i doubt ill watch this movie till it comes out on DVD

HellFrost

05-24-2006, 04:15 PM

...So..... who does Ashley Hartman play? I didn't hear anything on Emma so I'm assuming she didn't make a cameo... Did M appear at least?:(

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 04:20 PM

...So..... who does Ashley Hartman play? I didn't hear anything on Emma so I'm assuming she didn't make a cameo... Did M appear at least?:(

Who is Ashley Hartman? She probably wasn't in it. Beverly Mahood was rumored to have a cameo as Dazzler and she didn't show up.

I didn't see M anywhere.

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 04:21 PM

how psylocke die? Thats weak. But i doubt ill watch this movie till it comes out on DVD

She was also disintegrated by Jean.

Don't let that stop you from seeing the movie, though.

You wouldn't like her anyway. She was lame and didn't have telepathy.

Looked like Psylocke, but didn't have her powers.

HellFrost

05-24-2006, 04:22 PM

Who is Ashley Hartman? She probably wasn't in it. Beverly Mahood was rumored to have a cameo as Dazzler and she didn't show up.

I didn't see M anywhere.
...Oh......

That's stinky! Ashley was rumored to be playing Emma also along with Mercedes Yvette. I think they are both from the O.C...?:confused:

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 04:23 PM

Phoenix kills Xavier at his home

I'm nitpicking, but Jean kills Xavier at her parent's house.

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 04:24 PM

...Oh......

That's stinky! Ashley was rumored to be playing Emma also along with Mercedes Yvette. I think they are both from the O.C...?:confused:

Most rumors have been false.

Except for the ones about the leaked script. The script that leaked like almost 2 years ago, that was what they used.

HellFrost

05-24-2006, 04:25 PM

She was also disintegrated by Jean.

Don't let that stop you from seeing the movie, though.

You wouldn't like her anyway. She was lame and didn't have telepathy.

Looked like Psylocke, but didn't have her powers.
And on top of no Emma they butchered and killed another one of my favorite telepaths.... if she didn't have telepathy... hy call her PSYlocke?

I still wanna see it though, I do have some high hopes for it...

jeangreydp

05-24-2006, 04:27 PM

And on top of no Emma they butchered and killed another one of my favorite telepaths.... if she didn't have telepathy... hy call her PSYlocke?

I still wanna see it though, I do have some high hopes for it...

To be fair nobody ever addresses her as Psylocke.

She's just an asian girl w/ purple hair. And she isn't british so, she's just a mish-mash of characters, really.

I would still see the movie. SOme parts are AWESOME.

HellFrost

05-24-2006, 04:35 PM

Bishop_Proudstar

05-24-2006, 06:58 PM

It's going to gross $300 million!

It's great! There must be "X4" in 2 years..

Bishop_Proudstar

05-24-2006, 07:05 PM

.....alot of "Mustache Twitching"..

Bishop_Proudstar

05-24-2006, 07:48 PM

I guess we all know who is working in the movie theatres during "test screenings"..

lol!

rickfury188

05-24-2006, 08:06 PM

So Iceman ices up completely? No frosty bs???

Novaya Havoc

05-24-2006, 08:12 PM

No Beverley. :( Dazzler cameo got cut. :(

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 08:01 AM

So Iceman ices up completely? No frosty bs???

Frosty BS?

No, he ices up completely.

The Fury

05-25-2006, 08:43 AM

I have seen it.

What a bloody waste of air time for Scott and stupid un-known death for him when we had no body and how stupid is that Scott was only involved that much considering this is a f***ing Pheonix story.

Who gives a flying bullcrap about Wolverine? Seriously.

Otherwsie...this movie was a fan-boys dream (exept the Wolverine parts). Nicely done.

(God, I hate Wolverine now).

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 09:06 AM

The Fury

05-25-2006, 09:10 AM

I want to skewer him.

Ademantium skewer right up the ass, and then BBQ him over hot coals. Then eat him and throw him up. Because I hate him so much.
Too right...I want to test that healing factor of his....with a baseball bat with nails and razor blades in it.

The Fury

05-25-2006, 09:36 AM

My likes/dislikes:

Dislikes:
- Any scene with the murdering scum bag.

- Not enough Colossus...I mean talking part, action wise we saw enough.

- Scott staying dead stuff, no boy in a comic movie means he's alive.

- No Psylocke in the movie like I saw in the

- Er... probably a lot more but most my hates just involve Wolverine.

Like
- Xavier's "death" scene was excellent, it was well done. Magneto's reaction was great, like Liz has said.

- Jean was cool obviously.

- The brotherhood members. Juggernaut was great, and the one-liners sounded brilliant in that english accent. My surprise liking was Arclight and her use of powers, just cool. Juggernaut handing Wolverine's arse to him was dang cool.

- Scott's emotional side of things were cool.

- Beast was good, as was angel. And Leech.

EDIT: Rebecca Romijn looked sexy in her naked form. :D

twilight

05-25-2006, 10:28 AM

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 10:38 AM

This movie was a travesty.

If I wanted the Wolverine Action Show I'd stay at home and read comics.

The special effects in most parts were terrible.That hokey fastball special,Storm's flying,all of it.

Hi chick who mouths off about level three's....WHO THE HELL ARE YOU MEANT TO BE?!?Caliban,Callisto,Quicksilver?Pick one character and cast them!

Why have Colossus in the movie if he's only going to do three damn things?Throwing Wolverine twice and lifting a TV is not a good reason to be in a movie.

The people who saw the movie with me were very lucky.If Magneto hadn't wobbled that chess piece at the end some people might've died in the ensuing Twi induced destruction.

I'll try and think of some good things to say when I calm down.

I hear ya.

Well, I wasn't angry at first, just kind of disappointed.

I'd been waiting 3 years for the Dark Phoenix Saga in all its epic glory and it gets a side story with Wolverine as the widower. :mad:

I like any cameos I can get. But its unfortunate that more characters weren't fleshed out.

When Logan kills Jean I am pretty sure a Phoenix raptor formed over me in the theater. And the rest of the night while everyone walked out talking about how awesome it was I was stomping my feet and pouting "I WANT CYCLOPS!"

But other than the way too much Logan/Storm, I liked the movie for the sake of fun.

Mr. Jip

05-25-2006, 10:39 AM

They opened today in Hong Kong as well, but my boo is sick & we are getting a big group to see it next week.

Now why was i a f__ktard & read all the spoilers here..?...:confused:

:evilangry

twilight

05-25-2006, 10:42 AM

I hear ya.

Well, I wasn't angry at first, just kind of disappointed.

I'd been waiting 3 years for the Dark Phoenix Saga in all its epic glory and it gets a side story with Wolverine as the widower. :mad:

I like any cameos I can get. But its unfortunate that more characters weren't fleshed out.

When Logan kills Jean I am pretty sure a Phoenix raptor formed over me in the theater. And the rest of the night while everyone walked out talking about how awesome it was I was stomping my feet and pouting "I WANT CYCLOPS!"

But other than the way too much Logan/Storm, I liked the movie for the sake of fun.

I don't know how to feel.
As strange as it sounds I feel kinda...empty?

I put so much faith in this film.Even though Singer abandoned us I held out hope that it would turn out well.I didn't read a single spoiler(which for me was a herculean task).

And I go...and it's just so disappointing.

X-Men:The Last Stand IMO was made for movie goers not for X-Men fans.

The Fury

05-25-2006, 10:47 AM

X-Men:The Last Stand IMO was made for movie goers not for X-Men fans.
No kidding.

We get more screen tome for the 2 big actors then any of the far more important X-men characters. And we get the most important person in Jeans' life on screen for what? 10 minutes?

That just isn't good enough. Obviously the writers have no respect to the X-men what-so-ever when they wrote this movie.

EDIT: I'm betting they didn;t even read the original comic Dark Phoenix saga.

twilight

05-25-2006, 10:51 AM

EDIT: I'm betting they didn;t even read the original comic Dark Phoenix saga.

Wouldn't suprise me.

Why oh why did they focus the movie on "can't act" Berry and the already massively over-exposed Wolverine?

This was meant to be your DARK PHEONIX SAGA.That means that Jean should get screen time,LOTS OF IT!

Beast

05-25-2006, 11:16 AM

It's in the novel, but I gots to know... does Beast get to use his trademark phrase? :D

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 11:27 AM

It's in the novel, but I gots to know... does Beast get to use his trademark phrase? :D

Yes, now leave this thread before you know too much!

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 11:29 AM

Another thing they punked out on was Jean coming out of the water. WHen it started and the water was going nuts I almost fainted and then she was just standing there.

Like, WHA?!?! Lame, she should have shot out of that water like a raging bullet!

CPT Space Bomb

05-25-2006, 11:32 AM

No kidding.

We get more screen tome for the 2 big actors then any of the far more important X-men characters. And we get the most important person in Jeans' life on screen for what? 10 minutes?

That just isn't good enough. Obviously the writers have no respect to the X-men what-so-ever when they wrote this movie.

EDIT: I'm betting they didn;t even read the original comic Dark Phoenix saga.
Wow, don't you think you are taking this a little too hard? I mean, the entire movie series has been portrayed innacurately. Magneto is such a frickn' wimp in the movies, it's not even funny. True, Cyclops should have had a bigger role, but you know one reason Cyclops wasn't involved that much?? The actor, James Mardson, wanted to leave so he could go work on his role in Superman Returns with Singer. He betrayed the X-men franchise just as Singer did. So I really think that kinda forced their hands a bit. But as I said, the etire story was not really comic accurate anyway, so why start complaining now?

Beast

05-25-2006, 11:33 AM

Yes, now leave this thread before you know too much!
I read the novel, not much more that I can find out. ;)

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 11:37 AM

Wow, don't you think you are taking this a little too hard? I mean, the entire movie series has been portrayed innacurately. Magneto is such a frickn' wimp in the movies, it's not even funny. True, Cyclops should have had a bigger role, but you know one reason Cyclops wasn't involved that much?? The actor, James Mardson, wanted to leave so he could go work on his role in Superman Returns with Singer. He betrayed the X-men franchise just as Singer did. So I really think that kinda forced their hands a bit. But as I said, the etire story was not really comic accurate anyway, so why start complaining now?

You are confused.

Marsden signed a contract to be in Superman before X3 was even picked up by Fox.

Fox made the production schedules conflict because they were mad at Singer and didn't want him back because he signed up w/ Warner Bros.

So, its not Marsden's fault.

And I've never thought of movie version Magneto as a wimp.

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 11:37 AM

I read the novel, not much more that I can find out. ;)

The X2 novel was completely different from the movie. ;)

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 11:39 AM

This is how X3 should have gone:

http://www.themedicinewheel.net/grail/grail.html

CPT Space Bomb

05-25-2006, 11:43 AM

And I've never thought of movie version Magneto as a wimp.
Ummm, okay.....You do know that Magneto has detonated Nuclear weapons practically on himself while his sheild was protecting himself, and a ton of other nucs at the same time; all the while he was holding Astroid M in outer space and sending Rogue down to Genosha and shielding her at the SAME TIME. He was holding Astroid M in outer space while he was fighting the X-men. Magneto in the comics has opened up wormholes do to his electromagnetic powers. Magneto is easily much stronger in the comics. That "plastic prison" would not have held Magneto in the comics. And he isn't ONLY able to control metals. He can control gravity to a pretty high degree as well. Magneto in the comics is >>>>>>> stronger than Magneto in the movies.

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 12:00 PM

Ummm, okay.....You do know that Magneto has detonated Nuclear weapons practically on himself while his sheild was protecting himself, and a ton of other nucs at the same time; all the while he was holding Astroid M in outer space and sending Rogue down to Genosha and shielding her at the SAME TIME. He was holding Astroid M in outer space while he was fighting the X-men. Magneto in the comics has opened up wormholes do to his electromagnetic powers. Magneto is easily much stronger in the comics. That "plastic prison" would not have held Magneto in the comics. And he isn't ONLY able to control metals. He can control gravity to a pretty high degree as well. Magneto in the comics is >>>>>>> stronger than Magneto in the movies.

That's fine. He may be stronger in the comics, but he's not a wimp in the movies is all I'm saying.

CPT Space Bomb

05-25-2006, 12:09 PM

That's fine. He may be stronger in the comics, but he's not a wimp in the movies is all I'm saying.
Fair enough. Though, comparitively, he is a wimp. Movie mags struggles lifting up the Bridge (which I'm at least glad he can do that!). All I'm saying is that the movie has not really followed up to the comics that much from the get go. I just think you might be a little hard on the movie.

jeangreydp

05-25-2006, 12:24 PM

Fair enough. Though, comparitively, he is a wimp. Movie mags struggles lifting up the Bridge (which I'm at least glad he can do that!). All I'm saying is that the movie has not really followed up to the comics that much from the get go. I just think you might be a little hard on the movie.

Eh, I just hate the part w/ WOlverine saving Jean. That's my biggest problem with it.

I don't hate the movie. It was fun, but its just not as good as I expected.

The Fury

05-25-2006, 12:25 PM

Wow, don't you think you are taking this a little too hard? I mean, the entire movie series has been portrayed innacurately.
Nope. I think I'm taking it just right. As an x-men fanboy that is. I can see how it would appeal to the mass market. But for us fanboys/girls it wasn't enough.

Not in any other movie adaption (books or otherwise) is so much of the stories changed except for comic book movies.

The Fury

05-25-2006, 12:27 PM

Eh, I just hate the part w/ WOlverine saving Jean. That's my biggest problem with it.

I don't hate the movie. It was fun, but its just not as good as I expected.
Ditto, that scene was bad. Especially for fans of X-men.

But I liked the movie overall.

Fats Tuesday

05-25-2006, 12:53 PM

Nope. I think I'm taking it just right. As an x-men fanboy that is. I can see how it would appeal to the mass market. But for us fanboys/girls it wasn't enough.

Meh, considering us fanboys make up what, 100 thousand or so, it's not surprising they set up the movie to appeal to the mass market.

Loved the movie, loved the Jean/Wolverine interactions, never cared for Cyclops so didnt care Wolverine was used in those instead of him. Would have liked more of Rogue, but ah well.

Constantinople

05-25-2006, 01:18 PM

Spoilers ahead, ye be fairly warned!

Personally, it left too many loose ends. We see various mutants knocked out, but how many are crushed/atomnised by Jean/Phoenix? Is Juggernaught alive to come back in a fourth movie or is he now dead in this time line? Again for Pyro and any other "Not-clearly dead" mutant. Also, there's the whole "Prof. X is in a different body" and "Hey, Magneto can still move stuff!" thing.

Was that chess piece plastic or metal? I can't remember.

Blackcat

05-25-2006, 07:37 PM

Since this is a spoiler tread I do not understand why we hide the lines so I won't.

So, do not read ant further if you do dot wanna be spoiled!

SPOILRS AHEAD WARNING:

My main fought is that the movie was great!!

Things I liked most were:

The way they made Dark Phoenix

The Iceman - Pyro battle

The death of Xavier

The fight between Storm and Callisto, althou it could have used some move attention and better shots like the Wolverine-Deatstrike fight in x2

I loved the way Quill killed Doc. Rao! Quill was AWESOME!!!

Wolverine fighting Omega Red was more then cool

The fastballs were great as so the bridge scene (I had a great laugh when that woman locked her door!!!!!!)

The dangerroom scene was very well done

Really loved the run scene with Kitty and Juggernaut

Mystiques depowering and Magneto's response were shoking

The end fight was rocking good, the best scene of all 3 movies. The way Callisto died with her piercing lighting up was fun. It shocked me big time when Arclight, Quill and Psylocke died. And the way thay did Phoenix her powers has been the best special effects I ever saw (honest)

The biggest dissapointments were:

Psylocke: she was used very poorly, not with her real powers showing and no lines, only time on the screne: total 1 minute.

Collossus, Angel and Madrox should have gotten more air-time, they were barely used

Rogue should not have taken the cure, the whole point of the story was accepting your powers and then she didn't and took the cure, that way, the whole point of the cure was gone, this was the most lame thing!

The best lines used:

Juggs to Kitty: Don't you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut bitch!!
Mags to Mystique: Your no longer one of us!
Cyclops to Logan: We don't all heal as fast as you do Logan! (I was touched by that line)

Best used charcters besides the oubvious ones (being Phoenix, Wolverine, Mystique, Storm, Magneto, Xavier) were for me: Quill, Beast, Kitty and Arclight

After thoughts: Magneto is getting his power back. I think the guy in the bed after the movie ended, to Moira walks to before Xavier speaks, is Cyclops, we never saw his dead body.

Fun fact: At the funeral of Xavier there was a blackwoman who looked like a familiair face and what I was thinking some people yelled out: 'hey Oprah!!!! (I now it wasn't her but she looked like her and it was hilarious when poeple yelled it)

Next week I'll go again

RoguefanAM

05-25-2006, 08:34 PM

I am very disappointed in this movie. I expected more Rogue, but nooooo there's more Kitty scence's w/ Bobby in the whole movie then there is of Rogue. ARGHHH!!!! :mad: Also, what was the point of her taking the cure? Both in the comics and the animated series she was given the choice to take the cure and both of them rejected it. My main dislike was she didn't even particpate in the final battle, I wanted a Juggernaunt vs. Rogue fight scene!!! :(

Sorry for the rant guys, sometimes a person just has to vent some anger. If there's ever an X4 I hope they change director's.

Atom_basher

05-25-2006, 08:43 PM

Dazzler

05-25-2006, 09:08 PM

i agree with you in a way, Atom Basher, but i do think fans of the comic have a right to be critical. After all, it's out interest that put the possibility out there in the first place.
However, i think it was a great movie, and i AM a hardcore fan, to boot. ;)

--Dazz

RoguefanAM

05-25-2006, 09:12 PM

man nitpicky xmen fanboys...you ruined the movie for yourself with high expectations and overly analytical eyes. get pissed at me if you want, but it was a great flick, and boohoo if it wasnt what YOU wanted as fanboys

If you were directing that at me I suggest you don't assume things. I never said I had high expectations on the movie, I just said I was disappointed. Not liking the movie because your favorite character was treated out of character is a perfectly good reason to be pissed. Also, everyone has their own opinions, you may think it's great but other's may not agree, and there is no need to be rude to other people who are just expressing their own opinion. :)

Atom_basher

05-25-2006, 09:14 PM

If you were directing that at me I suggest you don't assume things.

And if you assume i was targeting you, maybe you have a guilty conscience.

and i wasnt being rude, i was keeping it real. EVERYONE who didnt like the movie didnt dislike it on a basis that it was a badly made film. they dislike it for petty reasons

Dazzler

05-25-2006, 09:16 PM

If you were directing that at me I suggest you don't assume things. I never said I had high expectations on the movie, I just said I was disappointed. Not liking the movie because your favorite character was treated out of character is a perfectly good reason to be pissed. Also, everyone has their own opinions, you may think it's great but other's may not agree, and there is no need to be rude to other people who are just expressing their own opinion. :)

i agree that Rogue's decision was totally unexpected, but that's part of why i was so surprised and angry at her. and i think that's a good thing. ;)

--Dazz

RoguefanAM

05-25-2006, 09:17 PM

And if you assume i was targeting you, maybe you have a guilty conscience.

and i wasnt being rude, i was keeping it real. EVERYONE who didnt like the movie didnt dislike it on a basis that it was a badly made film. they dislike it for petty reasons

I did say IF. But perhaps you are right :p . Also if Rogue doesn't have her powers she won't be in any of the future movies (if there are any) unless she is cameo, and if that's so I don't call that a petty reason for disliking the movie.

Atom_basher

05-25-2006, 09:17 PM

i agree that Rogue's decision was totally unexpected, but that's part of why i was so surprised and angry at her. and i think that's a good thing. ;)

--Dazz

and besides its not like itll last...one day shes gonna be kissing bobby then BLAMO!!!!

Dazzler

05-25-2006, 09:20 PM

and i wasnt being rude, i was keeping it real. EVERYONE who didnt like the movie didnt dislike it on a basis that it was a badly made film. they dislike it for petty reasons

hmmm...keeping it real usually means going out of one's way to be confrontational.

i don't think they're petty reasons to dislike a film is someone thinks their favorite character is handled poorly. if a character goes in a direction that their fans feels is totally unwarrented, then perhaps that is a valid reason to dislike a film no matter how well made it is.

--Dazz

twilight

05-25-2006, 09:20 PM

EVERYONE who didnt like the movie didnt dislike it on a basis that it was a badly made film. they dislike it for petty reasons

ENHHHHH!
Wrong.

I disliked it because it was a poorly made film.

If you aren't someone who reads the comics you'll be confused and it you do read the comics you'll be pissed off by the inaccuracies.

They tried to bridge the two groups of fans and failed miserably.

Dazzler

05-25-2006, 09:21 PM

and besides its not like itll last...one day shes gonna be kissing bobby then BLAMO!!!!

LOL yeah...and i can't WAIT for that day. ;)

--Dazz

jaguarshark

05-25-2006, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Atom_basher
EVERYONE who didnt like the movie didnt dislike it on a basis that it was a badly made film. they dislike it for petty reasons

Well, that's incredibly arrogant. Like the Village Voice reviewer said, I think this movie proves that some concepts are not just critic-proof, they are director-proof.
I enjoyed this movie a lot (although nowhere near as much on second viewing) but I would not claim too authoritavely that it is a well-made film. It feels disjointed and rushed, and most of the attempts at humour fall flat.
The last 20 minutes or so, on Alcatraz Island? Brilliant. Basically, I'm an X-Men fan and this movie gave me the X-Men on the big screen for two hours. I was always going to like it.
But was it a well made film? After the first time I saw it I would have said yes unequivocably, but after the second go-round, when some of its 'flaws' seemed more noticeable, I'm not so sure.
One thing's for sure... it wasn't as good as the first two. But honestly, I don't think anyone was expecting it to be.

Nyssane

05-25-2006, 09:49 PM

Does Rogue's mother appear? It has her credited on IMDB, but that's not always trustworthy.

It'd be neat if they named her mother "Irene", just as a shout-out to Destiny.

Brian M.

05-26-2006, 12:07 AM

I'm not a happy person on how Jean dies. Seriously first you kill of Cyclops and then you complete fuck the ending w/ her. Everything else was great but this fanboy is sad about two parts.

The Dark Knight

05-26-2006, 12:54 AM

The body that Xavier took over...what did they say about it earlier in the movie? It was devoid of consciousness and what else was special about it?

Rachel Grey

05-26-2006, 12:55 AM

....... I'm ambivalent. :( :D

How the sloppy fuck do you have a Dark Phoenix movie without the Phoenix Raptor? :mad:

Yeah, I laughed my arse of at "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" but there was soooo much that could have been better. Come back Brian all is forgiven!!

I hope when it comes out on DVD there are lots of deleted scenes to add to the story...

Captbigbeard

05-26-2006, 12:56 AM

And if you assume i was targeting you, maybe you have a guilty conscience.

and i wasnt being rude, i was keeping it real. EVERYONE who didnt like the movie didnt dislike it on a basis that it was a badly made film. they dislike it for petty reasons
I dislike it for MAJOR reasons. Horrible character development, messy plot, and way underused characters. Not to mention countless loose ends that left you thinking wtf. I mean, it's ok to leave a few things up in the air for the audience to resolve on their own... but there’s a limit!

I'll be the first to say I'm not a cyclops fan... but the way they handled him was not cool. You don't deal with a major player like that, you don't just stomp all over his fans.

Jasper

05-26-2006, 01:11 AM

My main dislike was she didn't even particpate in the final battle, I wanted a Juggernaunt vs. Rogue fight scene!!! :(

the Rogue from the movies has not been the same girl in the comics. Maybe when rogue was younger yes, but she hasn't absorbed the powers of flight and invulnerablity yet. I would love to see a Rogue and Juggy fight but now with this version. Maybe when the character's grown a bit more.

Absolut_Fresh

05-26-2006, 01:37 AM

To be fair nobody ever addresses her as Psylocke.

She's just an asian girl w/ purple hair. And she isn't british so, she's just a mish-mash of characters, really.

I would still see the movie. SOme parts are AWESOME.

She is listed as Psylocke in the credits....not that i was watching to see, but i just happened to look up at that part and say "Psylocke? she didnt have any resemblence of Betsy's powers"

i guess that is my main complaint...using high profile characters but then altering their powers...like Juggy, he should not have been affected by Leech...he isnt a mutant. but i guess he is in Ratner's world.

aside from those minor quabbles i think what ruined it for me was the absence of the Phoenix raptor...as someone else mentioned how can you have a Phoenix Saga without a bloody firebird?!?! that TOTALLY let me down.

however, Beast was AWESOME. and i really enjoyed Halle's extended role in the film, she really became the Ororo we all know.

overall, entertaining, if not a small let down with the few things listed above.

7/10

goldenarms

05-26-2006, 02:06 AM

What a major letdown. This movie felt rushed and totally disjointed. I knew going in that Scott was going to get majorly shafted in this film, but it was gut wrenching sitting there thinking They are trying to somewhat tell a Dark Phoenix story without Cyclops. What the Hell. Angel and Collosus were wasted Characters. Collosus looked like someone covered in Tin Foil. Petes amored form looked like an after thought. And speaking of looks, why did everyone in Mags army look like a bunch of pimple faced goths. How the hell did Angel get to Alcatraz? He couldn't have flown there, and I don't recall seeing him aboard the X-Jet. The action sequences were terrible. Anyone that was shown flying or leaping looked like people using wire work. None of their movements seemed natural. Terrible use of the wires, I kept thinking of horrible action scenes from Charlies Angels.
Why didn't Mags off Hugh in his camp? Didn't he just make some speech about eliminating mutants that would stand in the way of his cause?

The Positives, they were few and far between:
1) I liked the Effects for Jeans Powers-- but not Raptor??

2) Xaviers death, great scene

3) Juggs line to Kitty-- Maybe the best thing in the whole film

3) Iceman Icing up

4) Mags use of his powers

5) Claremont Cameo--Yeah

Amokitty

05-26-2006, 02:16 AM

Just got out of the theater. My impressions? Extemely disappointed.

No Colossus - Juggernaut battle. It was rumored to happen, and didn't. Although I LOVED Kitty calling Juggs a "dickhead". The whole theater cracked up! In fact Colossus was barely in this movie at all. I thought we'd at least see him in the final battle kicking some ass, and this didn't happen either. For me, that just sucked. If you blinked - you missed him.

Come to think of it, Kitty, Colossus, Angel, Moira, Cyclops, and Rogues' parts were all little more than cameos. They hardly had any lines of dialogue. I wonder why they were used at all. It bugged me that whenever Kitty was shown, she always had this stupid open-mouthed look on her face. I wanted so badly, to tell her to shut her mouth!!! :evilangry

In the end, there never was any actual triangle with Rogue, Bobby, and Kitty, and I'm so relieved. No Logan & Ororo sex scene either (more relief). I guess it goes to show that a lot of the rumors were pretty much baseless.

It bothered me that Storm was portrayed to have NO compassion or love for Jean whatsoever. So out of character!

Things I liked? Beast. Everything was good! Bobby actually looking like "Iceman", yay! Madrox was very cool.

The PACKED movie theater erupted in applause and whistles when the movie first started. And was very quiet at the end - only a few lone claps were heard. Not many people stayed passed the credits to see the Xavier and Moira scene. I fear that word of mouth will cause a dramatic box office drop in revenue. I don't think this movie will completely tank, but I think in the end, it will do poorly.

z1b

05-26-2006, 02:21 AM

Waaah all I can hear is crying from fanboys that think the movie didnt follow the story line. guess what it would take 5 movies to even start the dark phoenix saga and people wouldn't understand it anyways. they have to make it simple to even make money.

Horrible character development
what would you like? 3 hours on how iceman develops his talents to turn into pure ice?
messy plot,
lol ok it was pretty much the same plot as x2. man uses mutant to try and make the world in their own way. just like every xmen book.
and way underused characters.
thats pretty ironic when you are talking about a universe that has hundreds of one time use characters. yes lets put in 100 mutants and explain all their backstories please!
Not to mention countless loose ends that left you thinking wtf.
hi? end of x2? give me an example of a loose end that cant be turned into a wolvie movie or x4 because you know thats what theyre planning.

it wont see a box office drop because you the fanboy thought it was horrible because they didnt do the real dark phoenix saga(x2 didnt even follow how the dark phoenix saga started so why start now...) people were applauding at the end of my movie and all the theathers around mine so quiet down now and go back to reading your complex fan fics of how it should have been. :rolleyes:

The Fury

05-26-2006, 02:31 AM

She is listed as Psylocke in the credits....not that i was watching to see, but i just happened to look up at that part and say "Psylocke? she didnt have any resemblence of Betsy's powers"

i guess that is my main complaint...using high profile characters but then altering their powers...like Juggy, he should not have been affected by Leech...he isnt a mutant. but i guess he is in Ratner's world.

Juggernaut was fine in his change of powers. I think it would have been hard to tell people how his powers were not a mutation but by magic. It would make his charactr a lot more complicated then it should be.

But when this characters that was only credited as Psylocke was there, now that was just stupid. That wasn't Psylocke obviously. As far as I am concerned Psylocke was not even in this movie. I mean even Arclight was named and had powers somolar to her comic books self. This socalled Psylocke was just an asian woman with a streak of purple in her hair and had camoflage abilities. Not Psylocke at all.

Porcelain

05-26-2006, 02:54 AM

The body that Xavier took over...what did they say about it earlier in the movie? It was devoid of consciousness and what else was special about it?
Simply that it was a fully working body, without a consciousness.

Ok comics aside, treating this as a movie, X2 hit a 4/5, X1 somewhere around a 2, this floated in at a 3.

Famke Jansen is the true star - given what her character goes through, she should be, but she was downright amazing. Absolute power conveyed very subtely and her Phoenix effect was done extremely well - very creepy. As others have said Xavier's death scene was the high note, from the moment he and Magneto walk through the door and see Jean sitting there the movie kicks into a whole nother level, truly epic - unfortuantley it doesn't sustain it. The end piece, which should have had people bawling all over the place just doesn't hit that crescendo - or rather it tries to but you feel kind of empty. Partly I think, because there wasn't enough time for us to 'care' about Jean, yes she outstripped everyone in the scenes she was in but when the majority of the film is her being bad and she was already dead to start with, add in the fact that if you've seen the prior films the only time her character shined was in her first death scene...well why should we care she's dying again? Shame being that the Logan/Jean relationship felt kind of forced too, not to mention his falling to his knees as the Professors death.

The most irritating thing is the first 20 mins of pure exposition - entirely through dialogue. :rolleyes: Subtle. Almost every line serves to move the plot from A > B > C. Once Jean arrives, it improves slightly, but Beast suffers the most and continues to throughout the movie. On the flip side, so much time is spent explaining things, yet you can't help feel that new comers to the X-men won't 'get' the new characters, or, more specificaly their powers. The narrative brunt of the story is left to dialogue, there is no organic/natural exposition, the audience is treated like it shouldn't have a brain, yet (as mentioned before) little hints at new characters powers are lacking or down extremely poorly.

The President also manages to come off as an absolute idiot who shouldn't be given the power to run a garage sale, biggest shame is Beast and Xavier don't fair much better (albeit mainly due to thier by-the-numbers dialogue). On the subject of Rogue - as someone said before it does come across as a mixed message, her choosing to be normal but this is mainly due to the fact enough time wasn't given to her arc. Literaly couple of shots of her staring moodily at Bobby/Kitty, her leaving, then returning depowered.

On the bright side, Berry doesn't hog the movie, there's a bunch of well done action scenes and if you leave your brain at the door it's an entertaining flick. However it isn't an epic X-men film (which to be frank this one should have been), nor does it provoke the audience to think about the connotations within it - all the pieces were there but it just 'missed'.

I'll probably be going to see it on Weds again - will be interesting to see how well/different is holds up to a 2nd viewing.

edit: Having thought about it my biggest bug bear was that it felt "silly" - eh see how it fairs Weds.

________________________________

NO PRIZE
Oh and could someone please explain how Mystique, once de-Mystiqued and naked as a baby still manages to have a bucket load of eyeliner on? Not to mention how "on the bridge": bright and sunny day, "step off the bridge": oooh dark atmospheric night :rolleyes:

The Fury

05-26-2006, 03:16 AM

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NO PRIZE
Oh and could someone please explain how Mystique, once de-Mystiqued and naked as a baby still manages to have a bucket load of eyeliner on? Not to mention how "on the bridge": bright and sunny day, "step off the bridge": oooh dark atmospheric night :rolleyes:
No Idea about the mystique thing.

But the Bridge one, it may have been bright and sunny day...but it was also dusk. Sun was setting. By the time everything kicked off sun had set, doesn't take long for the sun to set.

Porcelain

05-26-2006, 03:19 AM

Watching it seemed really wierd to me, bright sunny day, cut scene pitch black.

The Fury

05-26-2006, 03:23 AM

Watching it seemed really wierd to me, bright sunny day, cut scene pitch black.
Well, it was really.

Mainly becase the change from night to day never happens that quickly. It was more sudden then it should have been.

Stix

05-26-2006, 03:33 AM

Wolverine fighting Omega Red was more then cool

Um... I think I missed that. When did this happen?

I also wish they used sentinels. I got goose bumps just seeing the head come crashing down in the danger room scene.

Speaking of which, Logan in the dangerroom was brilliant. I thought it was really funny. Especially the scene with him trying to light his cigar on that little fire. BRILLIANT. He wasn't bothered by the destruction at all.

Beast was brilliant. His movements were fluid. Kelsey Grammar IS Hank McCoy.

I was really irritated by the Callisto/Caliban/Quicksilver charachter. She was very dissapointing.

My Spine Tingling Scenes

1) "Oh My stars and garters"
2) Death of Xavier
3) Magnetos reation and following abuse of Pyro for sledging Xavier
4) Juggernauts one-liners.
5) Ice-Man YIPPEEE!!!!
6) Fastball special x2
7) Storm finally flying
8) Chris Claremont cameo!!!!!

Over all, a really enjoyable movie

Dazzler

05-26-2006, 03:33 AM

NO PRIZE
Oh and could someone please explain how Mystique, once de-Mystiqued and naked as a baby still manages to have a bucket load of eyeliner on? Not to mention how "on the bridge": bright and sunny day, "step off the bridge": oooh dark atmospheric night :rolleyes:

Darling, trust me, i live in San Francisco. The weather here can change faster than a fart in the wind. That's not the most unusual thing in the movie. ;)

the mystique, though, is a mystery. but i've known some trannies to have the same power.

--Dazz

MakeshiftHero

05-26-2006, 03:34 AM

Just got back and I thought this movie was a lot better than I thought it was going to be and some of yall know I couldn't wait!!!

The part where Prof. X dies, WOW awesome had me saying "holy $---" out loud.

Madrox: great use of his character and for the movie's sake he worked as a bad guy, just GIVE ME MORE MADROX in X4. (with multiple personality dupes :) )

Jugs being a mutant worked once again "for the movie's sake" and him kicking the crap out of Logan was awesome and quite funny. Wish they would have said something about him and Prof. being related but they also left that out w/ Kurt and Mystique in X2.

Omega Red:......sorry but where/who/when, I must have missed it or something. He wasn't the guy whose arms were growing back right?

"Girl w/ purple hair": tsk tsk tsk, cloaking power, uhhh what? BUT she did get vaporized, so maybe her consciousness will transfer into another body (similar to the comics) and then we'll have the real one for another movie.

Needs more Madrox!, Colossus, Scott!,

Juggernaught and Beast were Amazing!

My thoughts on Mag at the end with the chess piece, Since he was the "only one above a class 3" in that area, maybe the cure wasn't strong enough for class 3 and up. Prof. X in a new body....ehhh, I dunno about that one Pat Stewart IS Prof. X.

Cameos: someone said something about Quentin Beck, where was he/what did he do? And i'd like to know what other mutants had cameos besides Glob Herman and Spike, could someone make a list??:)

Jake V

05-26-2006, 03:47 AM

I really liked it, but at the same time, I feel as though liking is means betraying comic book fans. As an action film, it's pretty damn near flawless. You've got insane action setpieces, incredible special effects, and a fair share of leap-out-of-your-seat-and-cheer moments. As an X-Men film, it doesn't hold up as well. That being said, there were some awesome moments that let your inner x-geek cheer, like Iceman icing up, fastball specials, Wolverine going berzerker, Storm finally getting to kick some ass, and the most BADASS Beast I thought I'd ever see (he even says "oh my stars and garters"!!!). At the same time, you have Cyclops, Xavier, and Jean all biting it, Mystique losing her powers, a totally WRONG (yet awesome) Juggernaut, and a TON of well known mutants getting atomized.

It was as if the movie was caught between wanting to make X-geeks jump with joy and piss them off.

I think the action is miles better than X1 and X2, yet I felt there was something intangible missing that the first 2 had.

The theater experience for me was INSANE. Magneto, Wolverine, Beast, Juggernaut, Xavier, Stan Lee and even Chris Claremont all got cheers when they first appeared. There were gasps when Beast stuck the needles into Magneto, cheers when the fastball special happened, and easily the biggest cheer I've ever heard in a theater when "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!" actually made it into a movie.

After it was over, on the way back to my friends car, I noticed that the people outside the theater were from 2 camps: Comic geeks that were sort of disappointed, and non-fans that were exstatic. This could easily be the most successful of the X-Men movies because of how mainstream it is.

But I'm torn. My inner geek is disappointed by the deaths, but my action movie gene wants to see it again.

Is it the best X-Men movie? No, that's still X2. This, however, is the best X-Men movie. If that makes any sense at all.

minmaxticus

05-26-2006, 04:05 AM

...I think the action is miles better than X1 and X2, yet I felt there was something intangible missing that the first 2 had...

That's exactly it. Ratner is a very different director, and the movie runs off of his strengths: action, action, action. What it's missing is Singer's thoughful composition and =use= of action. That isn't to say that Ratner's film is bad, but rather that it is much like a different creative team taking over a title mid story arc and finishing it in their own way. It's obviously going to be jarring to a degree, and while I'm sure I'll nitpick later overall I think the movie was good.

The Fury

05-26-2006, 05:23 AM

and easily the biggest cheer I've ever heard in a theater when "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!" actually made it into a movie.

I really do think Juggernaut had some of the best lines in the movie, even if they were few and far between.

Like when Pyro asked about his helmet.

Atom_basher

05-26-2006, 05:41 AM

Not to mention alot of things taht people disliked are either 1. things BRYAN SINGER put forth such as non speaking colossus and rogues being underused power wise. also alot of the loose ends are also Bryan Singers, he abandoned the franchise, and Ratner did his best with Singers scraps

Blackcat

05-26-2006, 06:19 AM

I'll just do a summery of what i thought of each character:

Jean/Dark Phoenix:
In my opinion Famke had the biggest and most important role. Her resseruction was done cool, althought I would have liked if we saw her coming out of the water instead of just suddenly being there (let her come out of the water and scream: 'I'm Phoenix')

The end scene was done awesome (best special effects of all 3 x-movies)

The way she looked as Dark phoenix was scary

No negative points at all

Xavier:
Was done very good, loved his death scene.

Cyclops:
James played his role as morning partner very well, though we never see him dead, so I think he's the guy in the bed when Moira comes in, before she hears Xavier. He should have gotten more airtime

Iceman:
Very cool, loved the scene with Pyro and the iceing-up

Shadowcat:
Very good actrice, she totally did fit the profile. Liked the scene's with Juggs

Colossus and Angel:
I liked the way they looked, but they were barely used. Seems to me Quill and Arclight had bigger roles

Magneto and Pyro:
Were both done very well. My God, I really hated him when he dissed Mystique after saving his live. But it fits the character

Mystique:
Done as well as allways, really had to laugh when she said to the guy (as a little girl) I'll kill you myself.

Psylocke:
Not Psylocke at all!!! One of the dissappointments

Quill:
Used more and better than I thought. He was the most pleassant unexpected suprises in this movie.

Arclight:
Awesome. I'm glad it wasn't Stacy X as said in the early spoilers.

Omega Red:
Loved the scene with Logan.

Multiple Man:
Cool cool cool, really loved the forest scene.

Dazzler

05-26-2006, 06:23 AM

i hope my girl Arclight gets some play in the comics after this movie. she's one of the coolest villains ever.

and i hope she wears her outfit from the movie. :eek: badass.

--Dazz

Stagier

05-26-2006, 07:01 AM

uh.... ok maybe i need to see it again.

BUT, where was omega red?
where was claremont?
who was teh guy in the woods? spike?
who was the guy with the regenerative arms? random?

i thought a lot of it was ok.. but just that. Kitty can't phase people into things and keep them alive, c'mon!!! and they didn't have to say juggernaut was a mutant. Leech-ing his powers was lam O.

I did like most everything kitty did though, and beast looked good except for that initial jump into alcatraz.

angel didn't do anything for me, what was his point? him flying around alcatraz at the end? whu? and honestly if that happened to san fran, it would be a bit more civil war and not so much group hug.

rogue rogue rogue....so dissapointed...

Porcelain

05-26-2006, 07:03 AM

(I'll take your word on the San Fransico whether, but instant eclipses even so...)

CC had a cameo? Where?

Dazzler

05-26-2006, 07:07 AM

(I'll take your word on the San Fransico whether, but instant eclipses even so...)

CC had a cameo? Where?

Well, as long as i've been here, we've never had an instant eclipse...(though it would never surprise me, that's for damn sure.) :)

just chalk it up to someone in the Brotherhood having the mutant power to create instant dramatic lighting.

--Dazz

Porcelain

05-26-2006, 07:34 AM

~grins~ Which I'd have been fine with if we saw someone do something (you know other than 1 guy straining to lift a bridge for 30 odd people when half of them can fly and he's got the most powerfull TK next to him to carry the rest).

I'm still pretty damn impressed by Famke though.

Atom_basher

05-26-2006, 10:00 AM

Claremont was in the same scene as stan lee

sherlockbones

05-26-2006, 10:09 AM

reading all the comments about rushed or failed character development considering the high numbers of support characters I, again, have to wonder why nightcrawler didn´t make it into the flick. I have no clue why they decided against him, the audience liked him obviously.

I have no intention to play the video game, so maybe someone could name the "story" reasons which I heard were given inside the game.

and people plz stop all the wolverine hate. it is a character, so go hate the creators

Brian M.

05-26-2006, 10:10 AM

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71878

*Smashes Ratner w/ a baseball bat*

That's for depriving me of my fanboyish fetish.

leg end

05-26-2006, 10:27 AM

Well I just saw it and, IMO, it was the most enjoyable of all three X films. Whilst not the best in emotional involvement, I found this far more enjoyable than the previous installments.
I can see why many fans might have had problems with the film as a fellow fan, but being a film student I can also see why they went certain ways. I really have no problems with the film as it is, and that is as a continuing episode in an adaptation of the original material. For me, it worked.

What I really loved:
Iceman- just awesome, my fave character anyway, looked great iced-up, good use of powers and Ashmore was perfect for the role.
Beast- brilliant, never been a huge fan but here was all the best parts of Beast in one neat (hairy) bundle
That last fight scene- finally, all the characters used their powers as it should be, in one big crescendo. That was what was missing in the previous installments IMO.
Xavier and his death- the slightly darker side of Xavier from the comics emerging, although always with the best intentions, Stewarts acting was tremendous and, not afraid to say this- I choked up when he died.

There was nothing that I hated and little that I would change, with the exception of excluding Pyslocke for a diff mutant, recasting Juggernaut, more of Cyclops and probaly adding about 20 mins of more Singer-esque character developement moments. Minor nitpicks really.

Probably see it again at soon.

chrono1984

05-26-2006, 10:27 AM

This is the biggest cinematic misfire since Alien 3.

Also, why was Angel even in the movie? Or Jean Grey for that matter? Neither one seems to have much to do, Angel only had like 4 scenes in the movie.

The movie was lifeless. Action without meaning. I'd say more but I'm worried I would likely end up with several pages lol.

Atom_basher

05-26-2006, 10:30 AM

This is the biggest cinematic misfire since Alien 3.

obviously not if there are people (and there are alot of us) who liked it.

Porcelain

05-26-2006, 10:32 AM

Claremont was in the same scene as stan lee
Really? I only noticed Stan Lee with the hose, but it was at/around the same time?

Atom_basher

05-26-2006, 10:33 AM

Really? I only noticed Stan Lee with the hose, but it was at/around the same time?

yep indeed

Nevets F

05-26-2006, 10:38 AM

Best X-Men movie by FAR.

WOW.....it was simply amazing.

mybotisgone

05-26-2006, 10:48 AM

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 10:48 AM

*awaits for Uncle Nobs' entrance in thread*
You mean where I point out that there already is an X3 thread and it says "PUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH X3 IN HERE" right in the title--?!?! Where I point out that by now, enough people have already seen the movie that the original X3 thread would have to be for people who've already seen it? You mean the part where I beg Brian to merge this thread and remind people of the rules so we don't have our boards turn into a total mess where you have to click on multiple threads just to have ONE conversation? You mean that entrance?

Done, done, and done. :evilangry

Semi-kidding. Just bitter because I've seen these sorts of things clog up the boards too many times. I'll use this thread to share my post-viewing thoughts, too. :p :D :D

Atom_basher

05-26-2006, 10:58 AM

Captbigbeard

05-26-2006, 11:01 AM

Waaah all I can hear is crying from fanboys that think the movie didnt follow the story line. guess what it would take 5 movies to even start the dark phoenix saga and people wouldn't understand it anyways. they have to make it simple to even make money.

what would you like? 3 hours on how iceman develops his talents to turn into pure ice?

lol ok it was pretty much the same plot as x2. man uses mutant to try and make the world in their own way. just like every xmen book.

thats pretty ironic when you are talking about a universe that has hundreds of one time use characters. yes lets put in 100 mutants and explain all their backstories please!

hi? end of x2? give me an example of a loose end that cant be turned into a wolvie movie or x4 because you know thats what theyre planning.

it wont see a box office drop because you the fanboy thought it was horrible because they didnt do the real dark phoenix saga(x2 didnt even follow how the dark phoenix saga started so why start now...) people were applauding at the end of my movie and all the theathers around mine so quiet down now and go back to reading your complex fan fics of how it should have been. :rolleyes:

Lol... you sound like the fanboy buddy. I hated the movie as a movie. Nothing really offended me X-men wise (besides how Cyclops was handled). I never expected the movie to be like the comics, infact I prefer them being diffrent. But the movie, sucked. It didn't entertain me. And why the hell are you getting so damn cocky, I even said it was just my opinion. If you like it awesome, but I didn't.

As far as X4, they pretty much said it was never gonna happen, and wolverine is supposidly a prequel (but really who knows).

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 11:06 AM

Well fist of all I'm not going to see this pice of crap film. But from what I take from most of you is that this film is starting to look like a movie wish I never have seen and the biggest disappoint that you've seen. Did anyone ever seen the crap movie called Mortal Kombat: Annihilation?
Then why are you here talking about it? Is this how you choose your online conversations?

What ~*magical*~ internet adventures await you next? Are you going to go discuss Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions specifically because you haven't read it? Or will you go discuss what your impressions of the 1963 World Series might have been if you had any working knowledge of it? Ooh, I know! You could go to NASA's site and comment on how overrated the Mars landscape is!

Either contribute something or piss off.

TJ Shoun

05-26-2006, 12:07 PM

Awesome movie.

Best of all 3.

The fanboys should happy that so many ideas from the comics were integrated into this film. While not a perfect reproduction, nearly every scene and/or plot point originated from something in the x-mythos.

(Although I still think we shoulda gotten at least a few seconds of Colossus vs Juggernaut) ;)

Jake V

05-26-2006, 12:15 PM

The relative short length of the movie and the sheer number of characters in it makes me think that there will be a pretty extensive "deleted scenes" section on the DVD extras. Maybe even some sort of "extended edition" or "directors cut" when the DVD comes out.

mybotisgone

05-26-2006, 12:25 PM

Then why are you here talking about it? Is this how you choose your online conversations?

What ~*magical*~ internet adventures await you next? Are you going to go discuss Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions specifically because you haven't read it? Or will you go discuss what your impressions of the 1963 World Series might have been if you had any working knowledge of it? Ooh, I know! You could go to NASA's site and comment on how overrated the Mars landscape is!

Either contribute something or piss off.

Hey. I'm just saying as I see it on this forum. And it's not just this forum it's other as well. And the words that keep coming up is biggest disappoint. It's not just me there are a lot and I mean a lot of X-Fans that keep saying it. Just go to a lot of messges bords out saying that same thing.

Jake V

05-26-2006, 12:28 PM

Hey. I'm just saying as I see it on this forum. And it's not just this forum it's other as well. And the words that keep coming up is biggest disappoint. It's not just me there are a lot and I mean a lot of X-Fans that keep saying it. Just go to a lot of messges bords out saying that same thing.
The words "best of the 3 movies" keep coming up too. I never saw you commenting about that.

Now go away voluntarily before the mods figure out who you are and ban you again.

skweeks50

05-26-2006, 12:40 PM

I was dissapointed in this movie after I saw it. I didn't have high expectations to start with, its hard to when the man directing it had something to do with Santa's Slay, but it just didn't seem to flow the way it should. It felt choppy and forced. It was cool to see Chris Claremont. I liked the fight between Iceman and Pyro. I was just dissapointed in general.

NMoline

05-26-2006, 12:42 PM

xmanson

05-26-2006, 12:43 PM

I liked it. Not as good as X2 though.

Great fights, great effects.

Still not to keen on Berry, he just doesn't have the royalty and strenght to play the Storm I see in the comics (Iman would be my perfect choice).

Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about the hundreds of cameos? It's cute at first, then there were just too many and I just decided to stop caring.

Beast fighting was really nice.

Hate the lack of blood from Logan's claws, though.

Rogue was a waste.

And did Liefeld design those cure guns? Looked exaclty how he draws guns.

I wish Phoenix did morew damage, like wiping out a whole city or something.

And give me X4 with Mutant Massacre and no Magneto.

skweeks50

05-26-2006, 12:45 PM

What exactly was the scene with Xavier and Moira. I stuck around and all our movie did was have Xavier say hello to Moira from that body in the hospital, then the film seemed to melt ha. Was that it or did i miss a bit more?
That was it. So basically the Professor isn't really dead, he was just hanging out on the astral plane for a little. Getting some much needed rest.

MakeshiftHero

05-26-2006, 12:48 PM

I thought it was fantastic!! Can't wait for X4 (you know there will be one with the way the ending was and the scene after the credits) I'll go see it again in a couple of days, but I never saw Omega Red in the movie (i think), can anyone tell me what he did. And I can't wait for the dvd release cause you know there's going to be a bunch of deleted scenes and an alternate ending and all that fun stuff.:D GREAT MOVIE!:D

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 12:53 PM

Hey. I'm just saying as I see it on this forum. And it's not just this forum it's other as well. And the words that keep coming up is biggest disappoint. It's not just me there are a lot and I mean a lot of X-Fans that keep saying it. Just go to a lot of messges bords out saying that same thing.
Once again: Either contribute something or piss off.

xmanson

05-26-2006, 12:58 PM

Claremont??? Where?????? Shiiiiit.

That was Omega Red? I thought it was a male Marrow.

MakeshiftHero

05-26-2006, 01:00 PM

Claremont??? Where?????? Shiiiiit.

That was Omega Red? I thought it was a male Marrow.
Claremont was the man with the lawnmower at the very start w/ young jean.
"Male marrow" in the forest, was actualy Spike
I have no idea where Omega Red is but I'd like to know.

MakeshiftHero

05-26-2006, 01:02 PM

And come on guys, the body that the Prof is in now isn't Scott's body, they showed the consciousless body before Scott was killed on that video tape.

Zombienorthstar

05-26-2006, 01:03 PM

Claremont was the man with the lawnmower at the very start w/ young jean.
"Male marrow" in the forest, was actualy Spike
I have no idea where Omega Red is but I'd like to know.

I think he isnt in it...

Ive jsut seen it and highlights for me include:

How much Elaine Grey looked like Famke...it was incredible.
Kitty Pryde...she made me lvoe her even more.
Juggernaut getting some great lines.
The Magneto chess scene was so subtle it drew a gasp from the audience i saw it with...and i was the onyl cmic book fan.

WolverinesSon

05-26-2006, 01:21 PM

She's still alive. When she gets depowered she's basically Rebecca Romijn with black hair. But I think the cure doesn't last, so I think she'll be Mystique again if they ever make an X-4!

Oh yean another thing about Madrox!!
He's wearing his Madrox shirt!!! It's so fkn sweet :)

You just revealed a spoiler talking about Madrox.

Beast

05-26-2006, 01:28 PM

*Beast bounds in after seeing the film.*

Well, my negativity for the last few months was wasted. But I'm glad I went in believeing that I'd hate it. It just made me enjoy it even more when it proved me wrong. Is it a perfect film? Hardly. But it is an enjoyable one. I think it could have benefited from another 20 minutes or so. The break-neck editing from one scene to another doesn't give you much time to breathe. Other than that, it was very very good. My only major complaint is spelled out in the other thread, but I'll comment on it here.

Beast should have been given just a bit more screentime. He was the counterpoint of Rogue, and his feelings would have been nice to have been displayed. Especially given you see that they were trying to develop Hank considering the 'Cure' himself, given his reaction when he meets Leech. And his comments to Storm about the Cure. It would have been nice to delve into that conflict with what is right and what is easy.

Other than that, I was rather pleased by the film as a whole. It was a fun rollercoaster ride, that could have simply used a bit more time to give you to breathe between scenes. The special effects were good, and I'm glad there wasn't a lot of over-use of obvious CGI. I was particularly impressed by Beast's fighting style, which I figured they'd never capture well on screen, especially without a lot of CGI. And I was also happy that they allowed Hank to be the one to take down Magneto (shades of Planet X), instead of letting Wolvie do it. :p

Beast

05-26-2006, 01:29 PM

You just revealed a spoiler talking about Madrox.
This is a spoiler thread, your point is?

mybotisgone

05-26-2006, 01:43 PM

Ok at some pont can we put an end to this spoiler crap. The movie is out and most will are going to see. At lest let's stop at Sunday. AT that pont most of everyone will have seen it.

xmanson

05-26-2006, 01:46 PM

There was a part in the movie that I ought was so lame becuase it was so obvious it was trying to be funny and nobody laughed. It will come to me, just wait.

The house scened was definetly the high point. Intense stuff with great effects. The whole fight there was phenomenal.

And who was supposed to be the lady that moves fast and sniff mutants?

Anmd the Lost lady in the class?

mrlogan

05-26-2006, 01:53 PM

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Beast

05-26-2006, 01:53 PM

And who was supposed to be the lady that moves fast and sniff mutants?
Callisto. Or their bastardized version of her.

xmanson

05-26-2006, 01:59 PM

Callisto. Or their bastardized version of her.

I tought maybe Calliban.

And those tatoos were completely ripped from Arena. HAH!!!!

Beast

05-26-2006, 02:02 PM

I tought maybe Calliban.

And those tatoos were completely ripped from Arena. HAH!!!!
Yeah, it's basically an amalgam of Callisto, Caliban, and a dash of Quicksilver. Blah.

And it's the 'Omega' symbol, if anything Arena stole it from the Ancient Greeks. :D

SOBO

05-26-2006, 02:02 PM

, and easily the biggest cheer I've ever heard in a theater when "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!" actually made it into a movie

Am I the only one who thought the character and his lines were especially forced and not funny at all?

The "bitch" line simply made me cringe because it was one of the worst line/attempts at humor I've ever heard in a movie.

I came to grips with changes happening in the movies as compared to the books a LONG time ago. There were some instances where i think some of the movie ideas did make sense (like the idea of the Phoenix being more of a Freudian ID, Juggernaut as a mutant didn't bother me, etc.)

But my problems with this come with the fact it was just a bad film. The script was weak and dilluted. The overall dialogue followed suit. Outside of normal fanboy geek factor; the film didn't work for me at all.

I'm actually surprised there has been such a positive response after reading through this thread.

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 02:12 PM

I enjoyed it for what it was, but of course I'm also going nuts over what it could have been. I'll totally watch the DVD eighty-six times, but first I have to voice all my gripes (and my geekgasms).

Man, there is a LOT to cover here! Okay, here goes:

Singer vs. Ratner:
This film lacked the dignity and cohesiveness of Singer's movies. The plot totally works. The money shots are gold. The Phoenix scenes are terrifyingly good. It's the expository scenes and transitional scenes that fall flat, and the dearth of character scenes definitely hurt.

X1 & X2 had very clear structures: Xavier vs. Magneto(X1), and X-Men vs. Magneto vs. Stryker (X2). Then he framed each film with character moments that connected us to the characters and established their world (concentration camp, Rogue's kiss, Kurt's attack, museum) and managed to intersperse enough character moments throughout the films to keep them from becoming action movies or simply plot-driven.

X3 has a more complex structure (Brotherhood vs. government & X-Men, with Phoenix as a wild card), but it could have worked if Ratner had kept the focus on the character drama. So in the end, the "complex" plot comes off a bit messy.

Logan/Scott/Jean:
I agree with keeping the X-movies very Wolverine-centric. As annoyed as fans are at his overexposure, he is still the perfect character to act as the audience's eyes. He's not automatically going to join Xavier or Magneto and he's skeptic of everything. If anyone can win his loyalty, then they have truly proven the merit of their cause.

Having said that, I think it SUCKS that it became a Logan/Jean love story. They've only ever been curious about each other--an animal attraction that might lead to more, but never had the chance to develop. Whereas Scott and Jean were practically married.

It was poignant that Jean killed Scott. Anytime his name was mentioned, she hated herself and switched personas. But they needed to use him more. She could have killed him at the end, at which point she'd realize the monster she'd become and finally sacrifice herself.

But even though I disagreed with the Logan/Jean ending, that scene is hella tight. Sick bitch totally fries him and he keeps coming.

Special effects and action:
LOVED IT! The movie works great as a disconnect-your-brain action/scifi film. Very few clunky effects.

Phoenix:
Best X3-related post ever: "OMG! BLACK EYEBALLZ!!!" It was just as DISTURBINGLY CREEPY as it needed to be! I'll watch those scenes over and over again. But no flames? No raptor? I'm not just upset because I'm a fan. I'm annoyed because it's inconsistent with X2. They showed both flames and the vague raptor image. TEASE! But I LOVE how it looked like her power was consuming her flesh, like her body was only barely able to withstand the strain.

Xavier:
Aweome death scene. I can't believe how amazing the effects looked. I wanted more.

Juggernaut:
Awesome effects. LOVED it when he got some momentum like a charging rhino, knocking people over like a bowling ball and pins. I don't mind the changes (British, mutant). I have mixed feelings about the "bitch" line. It totally works in the context of the movie if you forget it's a reference, but that internet clip is SOOOO undeserving of such a shout-out. I really prefer my fiction to maintain the fourth wall.

Rogue:
WTF? What was the point of the crisis of conscience when she just gives in and takes the cure? Where's the character growth? What a cop-out! If they intended for it to be a cop-out, then they needed to show the characters aware of it on some level. WEAK!

Colossus:
That's cool that he's just a supporting character, but I would have at least liked to see him really let loose on the battlefield. Show how disproportionately strong he is, especially when you already have all kinds of semi-super-strong characters running around. I mean, if they don't show him as ridiculously strong, he's kind of useless when a FS isn't needed, isn't he?

Beast:
S'alright. Worked okay. I stopped thinking about Frasier and bought him as McCoy. Still think he could've looked better. Some good action scenes, but he's not nearly as impressive as Nightcrawler.

Omega Gang/Morlocks/Brotherhood:
No complaints. I don't mind the liberties they took with Omega Red, Callisto, or Not-Psylocke-Girl. They're just Magneto's thugs, anyway.

Iceman, Pyro, Mystique, Magneto, Kitty, Angel:
No complaints except that I would have liked more character moments overall. Angel wasn't that effective--they kinda dropped his story.

Worst part of the movie:
Beast: "I guess we'll have to close the school. I'll get the bulldozers."
Everyone: "Yup. Guess so." *group pout*
Angel: "I'm a-scared."
Storm: "We're a school again! Yay!" (triumphant overture)

Jesus, Hank, jump the gun much?

Stagier

05-26-2006, 02:14 PM

could someone tell me where omega red was?

Your Imaginary Pal

05-26-2006, 02:22 PM

the guy at the campsite growing bones in his forearms & chucking them at wolverine was supposed to be omega red according to some friends of mine.

Beast

05-26-2006, 02:22 PM

could someone tell me where omega red was?
He was the one with Marrow's powers that kept shooting bone spikes at Wolvie in the woods.

SOBO

05-26-2006, 02:38 PM

No complaints. I don't mind the liberties they took with Omega Red, Callisto, or Not-Psylocke-Girl. They're just Magneto's thugs, anyway

And this gets me to my one fanboy complaint. If they are such minor characters than what's so hard about making them accurate to the book?! The regular audience wouldn't care either way, but those of us who are devout readers of the book would be much happier.

I honestly had no idea that was supposed to be Omega Red. I thought it was Marrow in a male body.

atoningunifex

05-26-2006, 02:47 PM

I just got back from seeing it. it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. It was about on par with the first movie and a letdown from the second movie.

I actually think the flaws in the movie come from the script. There needed to be another couple of draft revisions to get the different character arcs to flow a little better and to tie into one another more.

It was a good little action movie but it lacked depth.

atoningunifex

05-26-2006, 02:55 PM

Rogue:
WTF? What was the point of the crisis of conscience when she just gives in and takes the cure? Where's the character growth? What a cop-out! If they intended for it to be a cop-out, then they needed to show the characters aware of it on some level. WEAK!

I actually liked that Rogue took the cure. I think that taking the cure worked with the way her chracter has been developed over the course of the movies. had she not taken the cure it would have been a cop out.

Iceman, Pyro, Mystique, Magneto, Kitty, Angel:
No complaints except that I would have liked more character moments overall. Angel wasn't that effective--they kinda dropped his story.

I agree that Angel wasn't effective, but I think the flaw there was that his story was placed in opposition to Jean's instead of to Rogue's. Had there been some form of interaction between Rogue and Angel, or even jsut a visual parallel of some kind, it would have cemented his story more firmly into the movie.

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 03:00 PM

And this gets me to my one fanboy complaint. If they are such minor characters than what's so hard about making them accurate to the book?! The regular audience wouldn't care either way, but those of us who are devout readers of the book would be much happier.

I honestly had no idea that was supposed to be Omega Red. I thought it was Marrow in a male body.
Good point. I suspect the logic goes like this:

"We want to include character A (Callisto, Omega Red) because they're cool and we want to show off rivalry B (Cal vs. 'Ro, Red vs. Wolvie), but their powers are too boring (Cal) or too complicated (Red), so let's make them work more like character C (Pietro, Marrow/Spike). Ooh! Also, the plot requires the powers of character D (Caliban) but we have too many characters already, so let's tack those onto character A."

Hope you took algebra. I didn't.

Stagier

05-26-2006, 03:11 PM

He was the one with Marrow's powers that kept shooting bone spikes at Wolvie in the woods.

not being a d!ck but what makes that guy omega red and not spike?

Beast

05-26-2006, 03:13 PM

not being a d!ck but what makes that guy omega red and not spike?
Because they wanted to cram a bunch of characters together into one character.
The guy that played him said he was playing Omega Red, and was credited as such. You'll also note that the bone spikes came out of the wrist, just like Omega Red's tentacles normally do.

Stagier

05-26-2006, 03:15 PM

damn you hollywood............

xmanson

05-26-2006, 03:44 PM

Who the Lost jap girl supposed to be?

Was she a fast aging girl or just slow to be around in the kids class?

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 03:47 PM

The greatest Comic book film of all time.

If you over-analyze any film to death (to make yourself seem like an officianado), you will find flaws.

I did not want Phoenix to be flying around destroying momuments because it's been done before. There was a purpose.

I did not want this to be "X-Men Character Development Digest"...

It's just a film. They carved-down the team for a reason. Time.

I wish that they would've filmed X3 and X4 back-to-back like The Matrix films.

That's my only "gripe" so far.

Billy Parker

05-26-2006, 03:48 PM

I just want to say this movie was KICKASS! Waay better than I expected it to be! Awesome!

Beast

05-26-2006, 03:51 PM

Who the Lost jap girl supposed to be?

Was she a fast aging girl or just slow to be around in the kids class?
I'm not even sure what the heck you're talking about. :confused:

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 03:53 PM

Yeah, it's basically an amalgam of Callisto, Caliban, and a dash of Quicksilver. Blah.

And it's the 'Omega' symbol, if anything Arena stole it from the Ancient Greeks. :D

I told you that you should not have seen this film.

You had a negative feeling about the film beforehand, and you should went with that assumption (and avoided the film).

Maybe you can e-mail Fox, and Marvel and demand that they pay for you to study film. Then, they can hire you and the other resident CBR analyzers to produce the next one.

Start the campaign!

xmanson

05-26-2006, 03:54 PM

I wonder if with X4 they will just restart the whole franchise.

Beast

05-26-2006, 03:54 PM

I did not want this to be "X-Men Character Development Digest"...
Which seems absurd, given that it's their characters that people have grown to love over the years. But if you like soulless characters, more power to you.

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 03:56 PM

I just want to say this movie was KICKASS! Waay better than I expected it to be! Awesome!

Yes....

I hope they scrap The Wolverine solo film, and film "X4" next year..

The audience loved this film. Claps. I love seeing this film with a big crowd.

xmanson

05-26-2006, 03:58 PM

I'm not even sure what the heck you're talking about. :confused:

The scene when Xavier is talking about the no-brain man and Moira.

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 04:00 PM

Which seems absurd, given that it's their characters that people have grown to love over the years. But if you like soulless characters, more power to you.

Yep. You can't express your dreams for these characters in 1 Hour +40 minutes..

Maybe, they will have a comic book based on the film..just for you.

That make you feel better?

Sort of a In-between prequel digest..

E-mail Marvel. Donate money.

Zombienorthstar

05-26-2006, 04:03 PM

The scene when Xavier is talking about the no-brain man and Moira.

My friends and i lvoed that because he was questioning about whether it was ethical....but then when he was in trouble all questions of ethics went out of his head and it was just 'screw that father of four with cancer...im getting me a body!'

xmanson

05-26-2006, 04:04 PM

Yes....

I hope they scrap The Wolverine solo film, and film "X4" next year..

The audience loved this film. Claps. I love seeing this film with a big crowd.

I'm the total opposite.

Hate cheering, hate clapping.

The emptier, the better.

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 04:08 PM

I wonder if with X4 they will just restart the whole franchise.

THey might be in a way..

The team roster has "turned-over":

Rogue
Iceman
Shadowcat
Colossus
(Could return) Nightcrawler
(Could join) Angel

hoping for:

Dazzler could be coming soon.. There were too many rumors about her ..casting..

SOBO

05-26-2006, 04:08 PM

The greatest Comic book film of all time.

True.

Well only if you haven't seen Sin City, Spiderman 1 and 2, the original Supermen, Batman, Batman Begins, The Crow, the first two X-men, maybe even From Hell and Road in to Perdition etc etc; into the equation.

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 04:09 PM

I'm the total opposite.

Hate cheering, hate clapping.

The emptier, the better.

.........OK

Beast

05-26-2006, 04:15 PM

I told you that you should not have seen this film.

You had a negative feeling about the film beforehand, and you should went with that assumption (and avoided the film).

Maybe you can e-mail Fox, and Marvel and demand that they pay for you to study film. Then, they can hire you and the other resident CBR analyzers to produce the next one.

Start the campaign!
Why shouldn't I have seen the film? I enjoyed it, if you'd actually bother to read. It's not perfect by a longshot, but it was fun. In fact, my negative feelings probably helped me enjoy it more than I would have. Don't be such a pompus ass, especially when you don't know what you're talking about.

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 04:17 PM

.

True.

Well only if you haven't seen Sin City, Spiderman 1 and 2, the original Supermen, Batman, Batman Begins, The Crow, maybe even From Hell and Road in to Perdition; into the equation.

Seen most of these...

I won't p--- on any of these films.

I enjoyed a bit of all of them. X-3 is #1. It was a team film as well..

I really hope that Spiderman 3 is up there..

I won't down everything about the film beforehand, then go see it 3 days before it comes out, only to return to trash it.

Young Avenger

05-26-2006, 04:58 PM

I thought the movie was good. Not as great as X2 but still an awesome movie. I enjoyed Beast parts in the movie. I thought it was really well done and Grammer nailed his character perfectly. Kitty was good too even though she didn't get enough screen time.

Unlike the other X-fans I didn't have many gripes with the film. Sure there's a few things I didn't like like Scott dieing, Madrox not having a big role and Angel's uselessness but the film's positives outweigh the negatives IMO.

yeoman

05-26-2006, 05:11 PM

This movie was not bad. Not good, but not bad. I've known the deaths were coming for a long, long time, so I was totally numb to them.

However, this really needed to be two movies. First, the Dark Pheonix one, where Xavier could have died in the last 15 minutes of the movie, and thus would have seemed far more dramatic to me.

Seriously, that whole scene felt like the awsome end to a Dark Pheonix movie. It just had the unfortunate place of being half way through this movie.

That way the Cure/Hope story could get it's own movie. As is too much story, too many characters, not enough time.

That said, I had my one geek out moment. "Oh my stars and garters."

Beast

05-26-2006, 05:13 PM

That said, I had my one geek out moment. "Oh my stars and garters."
Yes, same here. *Sighs happily and lights a cigarette*

Elegance Liberty

05-26-2006, 05:26 PM

Just got back from it.

One word: OHMAIGAH.

I loved it.

And I think my sister and I were the only ones laughing at one particular Juggernaut quote.

mrc1214

05-26-2006, 05:31 PM

I saw it today i loved it. I thought Kitty Pryde was awesome as well as the Beast.

Sean Whitmore

05-26-2006, 05:33 PM

Yes.

That's all, just, "yes".

This movie probably shouldn't have worked, but damned if it didn't.

The only complaint I have about this movie is quantity. More Colossus! More Angel! More Iceman! More Mystique! Blah, blah, blah.

It also would have been awesome to see all five original X-Men in one scene together. But that would've been problematic at best, so I'll live without.

SEAN

DoubleShot

05-26-2006, 06:05 PM

Yes, the movie was great and actually would have been even better if you didn't know anything from the comic book.

I just can't believe that they had a movie that had the original X-Men in it and they didn't even try to put them in the same room.

Leech should have at least said "No powers" when Juggs hit that wall. Though it would have been great if Juggs wasn't effected since he's not a mutant. /shrug

The ending made no sense. With the ending that happened I would have expected the humans to be even more untolarant to mutants.

No fire effect for Jean? Please. Jean having a dual personality? Oh come on. Do I think she was actually the Phoenix? Only in name.

I heard there would be Sentinals not some cheap ass nock off that gets the beat down within the first 5 seconds. So of course the ending battle (which was pretty damn good) was a bit of a let down.

I did like the nods to fans though. Wolverine calling Beast furball, Beast saying his trademark phrase, the fast ball special.

Yeah, the movie was great for what it was. Could have been better but given the director...

Anyone know if the book actually goes more in depth to the story and characters? If it does I'll read it otherwise I'll pass.

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 06:18 PM

Why shouldn't I have seen the film? I enjoyed it, if you'd actually bother to read. It's not perfect by a longshot, but it was fun. In fact, my negative feelings probably helped me enjoy it more than I would have. Don't be such a pompus ass, especially when you don't know what you're talking about.

I do know...or the rage of defensive insults and babble wouldn't be coming...

lol!

I just warned you like other officianados to not see the movie.

I can't help it if the trouble with this film is you.

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 06:34 PM

I actually liked that Rogue took the cure. I think that taking the cure worked with the way her chracter has been developed over the course of the movies. had she not taken the cure it would have been a cop out.
I'll buy that, but there needed to be some kind of repercussion. There needed to be a price paid. Show how it creates a rift between her and her teammates now, or how Bobby kind of isn't that attracted to her anymore. SOMEthing.

Instead of:
"I got the cure! And you know sumthin'? I did it... for me."
---------------------*
~the more you know~

(I hope that translates.)

Bishop_Proudstar

05-26-2006, 06:37 PM

The Movie fans wanted Magneto to return.

I wanted Hellfire/Phoenix/Black Queen.

Still, it's a great super hero film.

At the end of X2, Magneto had to involved with X3 as "the final moves of the Chess game between he and Xavier" were yet to be played.

If anything, this is Zac Penn's trilogy, not Singer, or Ratner's.

The special effects improved over the 3 films.

Magneto sent his "pawns" to die, but Xavier put himself on the line.

Mags was more "type A" practical warlord (like the one he's hated since WWII), but he still lost.

It's not a chess game because Xavier's pawns won, and their "King" and his belief still lives in others.

If they ever continue with another film, it might begin with a new theme and villains.

I hope that Stewart can pull some more strings.. He is the one actor from this cast who has denied that this franchise is done (in the articles Iv'e read about the film).

I'd like Essex and Shaw, and Shaw+Trask+Lang.

Maybe, Magneto joins the X-Men to fight these guys, but he is not trusted.

yeoman

05-26-2006, 06:51 PM

bagheera

05-26-2006, 07:04 PM

I really enjoyed the film, but was probably only able to do this because I kept reminding myself before I saw it that it was NOT canon. Indeed, these films take only bits and pieces the the X-lore to hobble together a new X-universe. It worked as a nice escapist action flick and also raised some interesting philosophical/ethical questions.

I thought it was fine that Roque took the cure since she has consistently been majorly annoyed at her inability to touch others and never seemed to enjoy her powers. If indeed there was a cure, I would expect some mutants to flock to it and some to disdain it. Even a "positive" or "useful" mutation may not be one you want. If my IQ was 5000, it might be useful, but if at the same time it makes relating to others impossible, I might settle to be rid of it. I remember Quicksilver once explaining that he was perpetually cranky because he felt he was constantly surrounded by a world that crawled at a snail's pace.

I did dislike them completely bastardizing some characters, like the Callisto/Caliban/Quicksilver combo pack. Some characters are clearly defined so either use them or create some new one for the film. Don't create some guy throwing spikes from his wrist and try to call him Omega Red.

Btw, I am still quite annoyed Colossus couldn't muster a Russian accent. How hard is that?

Overall, a nice little film. I do want another X4 and a Wolverine prequel!

Sean Whitmore

05-26-2006, 07:11 PM

I'll buy that, but there needed to be some kind of repercussion. There needed to be a price paid.

Really? But...what did she do wrong that she should have to pay a price? Her power was an absolute curse. It would've been insane of her not to take the cure.

SEAN

Deathstroke

05-26-2006, 07:19 PM

I saw the movie this afternoon.

It was pretty good, but much like the first two movies, that's kind of it. There isn't really anything that really reaches out and screams THIS IS A GREAT MOVIE!

bounusball75

05-26-2006, 07:19 PM

I wouldn't say its a curse, it can make her better. Anyway they might not stay gone for good(especially if the last scene means anything).

the stand outs were Kitty, Magneto, Beast, and Pyro(yes pyro).

Pyro really came into his own this movie and stepped up to be the badass I hoped he would be. Sadly they killed him off in the comic :(.

Heres hoping for number 4

Sandoz

05-26-2006, 07:25 PM

I liked it. I liked it much more than I expected to, because I was fearing the worst. Overall it was rushed and lacked the emotional depth of the previous film, but it wasn't terrible by any means.

The Good:

Dark Phoenix! I would have liked more Phoenix imagery (like the fire we could occasionally see in her eyes during X2) but Famke Jannsen was deliciously wicked.
Kitty! Her battle with Juggernaut was my favorite scene of the whole film. Smart, quick-thinking, cute as a button...that's Kitty, all right.
Magneto! Ian McKellen always knows how to work it. The bridge scene was pure awesome, and he and Charles are such an old married couple. I really liked how Magneto still mourned and respected Xavier after his death. It was a nice testament to their old friendship and it added complexity to his character.
The Rogue/Bobby/Kitty love triangle. I was dreading this, but it turned out well. I could see why Bobby would possibly be drawn to Kitty, but thankfully he didn't cheat on Rogue.
The "Call me Marie" scene. Rogue and Wolverine have a great relationship in the movies. I wish we could have had more of them here, but this scene was nice.
The many nods to the comics. The Danger Room, the Sentinel, Trask, Moira, Bobby's ice form, the Fastball Special...nicely done.

The Bad:

The bodycount! Let's see who's dead: Jean, Scott, Xavier (technically), Callisto, Psylocke, Arclight, Quill...I know this was supposed to be the final "war" between humans and mutants, but a lot of it seemed...gratuitous.
Mystique's depowering! Oh, how I loved Mystique. But at least her few scenes were entertaining.
Angel! Wow, what was his purpose again? The early scene with Warren trying to cut off his wings was sad and powerful, but the character never lived up to his potential. (And did he really fly all the way from New York to San Francisco?!)
The choice of cameos. If this really is the (hah) last of the X-Men films, I think they could have chosen better characters for Magneto's Brotherhood. Seriously, Quill? Spike?! Avalanche would have been better than Arclight and would have served the same purpose, but I suppose he wouldn't have looked as good in a bra and mesh shirt.:rolleyes:
Jean/Scott. I know the movie version of Cyclops was never particularly popular, but I liked him. This was his opportunity to step out of Wolverine's shadow, but instead they killed him off way too early in the film. However, I was glad that the movie didn't turn around and try to make Logan the "love" of Jean's life (it was her "dark side" that wanted him) and I thank the gods above that she did not say "I love you" back right before her death. Speaking of which...
Jean's death. This was the moment that really rubbed me the wrong way. (Spoiler boxes for those who haven't read the original "Dark Phoenix Saga". If you haven't read it, do so at once!) What made Jean's first death so powerful was that she took her own life. As the Watcher said, she would rather die as a human than live as a god. When Jean kept begging "Save me!" to Logan, I could only think, "Save yourself, woman!"

Not Sure:

Beast. I was rather "meh" about his character. Not bad, but not too impressive.
Storm. Oh lord, what can I say about Halle Berry that hasn't already been said by dozens of X-Fans? At least the rumored romance between her and Logan proved to be untrue.
Rogue taking the cure. On one hand, I'm upset. The last two movies never knew what to do with a de-powered Rogue, which is a shame because X-Men: Evolution proved that Rogue doesn't need super strength and invulnerability to kick butt. But, on the other hand, I was actually surprised that she went through with the cure and didn't show up at the last minute to join the team for the fight. And it does provide a nice counterpoint to Ororo's "We don't need a cure!" stance. Some mutations do encroach on a person's quality of life, so not everyone who sought it out were cowards or race-traitors.

Also, the guy with the spikes is not Omega Red. He was credited as "Spike" during the end credits.

bounusball75

05-26-2006, 07:36 PM

Yea wasn't the guy throwing spikes out of his wrist credited as omega red.

BTW is it true that xavier is resurected(sp) after the credits?

Beast

05-26-2006, 07:38 PM

Yea wasn't the guy throwing spikes out of his wrist credited as omega red.

BTW is it true that xavier is resurected(sp) after the credits?
Yes. He transferred his consciousness to the man with no consciousness that he was talking about at the beginning of X3 in his ethics class.

atoningunifex

05-26-2006, 07:41 PM

I'll buy that, but there needed to be some kind of repercussion. There needed to be a price paid. Show how it creates a rift between her and her teammates now, or how Bobby kind of isn't that attracted to her anymore. SOMEthing.

I agree that there should have been something. I think had the script been a little tighter and if Rattner had a better sense of nuance that would have come across. That scene at the end with Bobby needed to be about thirty second longer and way more ambiguous.

When they inevitably make X4 that will hopefully be addressed.

Young Avenger

05-26-2006, 07:41 PM

Also, the guy with the spikes is not Omega Red. He was credited as "Spike" during the end credits.

Someone was credited as Omega Red in that movie. Out of the mutants I've seen that guy Wolverine fought in the woods fits the bill the most. The spikes popped on of his wrists and nowhere else. Spike is able to shoot spikes in any place of his body.

bounusball75

05-26-2006, 07:42 PM

intresting. My biggest gripe about the movie(other than no Singer) was there wasn't any charecter depth. They expected you to know what drove the returning mutants and didn't even try to get into it for the new ones like kitty and peter.

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 07:46 PM

Really? But...what did she do wrong that she should have to pay a price? Her power was an absolute curse. It would've been insane of her not to take the cure.

SEAN
I don't have a problem with her taking it. It's just that the scene was too pat, too "after-school special". Just another scene that ended suddenly and left me going, "What was the point of that?"

Key word for the whole movie: pat.

Sean Whitmore

05-26-2006, 07:53 PM

I don't have a problem with her taking it. It's just that the scene was too pat, too "after-school special".

Ah, I see what you mean.

But you've gotta appreciate the irony that the movie solved in 30 seconds what the comic Rogue has been angsting about for decades. :)

SEAN

Uncle Nobs

05-26-2006, 08:00 PM

Ah, I see what you mean.

But you've gotta appreciate the irony that the movie solved in 30 seconds what the comic Rogue has been angsting about for decades. :)

SEAN
Yeah! Now that you mention it, it almost seems like another joke, poking fun at how ridiculous the comics are sometimes. Like that line, "What would you prefer, yellow spandex?"

Sean Whitmore

05-26-2006, 08:01 PM

Yeah! Now that you mention it, it almost seems like another joke, poking fun at how ridiculous the comics are sometimes. Like that line, "What would you prefer, yellow spandex?"

Or the new best-ever line poking fun at costumes:

Kitty calling Juggernaut a dickhead. :D

SEAN

DoubleShot

05-26-2006, 08:31 PM

Okay, this isnt' directed directly at you, but at everyone I keep hearing this from.

The movie X-men world doesn't have magic. Or, at leat, two films have gone by without introducing it. It just wouldn't work to suddenly intoduce a guy who has superpowers without being a mutant. And especially jut to have one guy.

It works in the core MU because there the X-men share a world with Thor and Doc Strange, amongst others.

Okay, granted your not directing that to me. I understand that. No problem. It's not like they were absolutly forced to use Juggernaut though. If they really had to have someone with that power they could have gone a different route with it.

yeoman

05-26-2006, 08:53 PM

Yes. He transferred his consciousness to the man with no consciousness that he was talking about at the beginning of X3 in his ethics class.

My guess was he transferred to Logan, then body hopped his way to Scotland.

Watch the look Charles gives Logan right before he dies. The bit with Logan at Xavier's grave might be another hint. Or it might just be Jean fighting to get Logan to come take her out.

yeoman

05-26-2006, 08:59 PM

Really? But...what did she do wrong that she should have to pay a price? Her power was an absolute curse. It would've been insane of her not to take the cure.

SEAN

Seriously, what kind of moron markets something like that as a "cure?" Especially in a world with about as many mutants as the Morrison-era MU. Call it a "Problomatic Mutation Control" or something. Then let Magneto and mutants against it call it a cure.

Because, with the movie as is, Rogue comes off looking like a coward, when all she wanted was to get her life under control.

Choppa

05-26-2006, 09:03 PM

I was dissapointed. Here's why

-Too much going on and no development. It's just a lot of shock without any meaning. Prox dies, Cyclops dies, Jean comes back, tons of new characters are introduced without the time to develop them.

-After two movies of setting everything up, I was hoping for this movie to hit you right off the bat. But the first three quarters are just more setup for the end.

The movie just felt like it was waiting to explode but never did. Even with the fight scene at the end. It didn't really build up much tension for the big fight. The trailers pumped me up for the fight, but there was hardly any sense of danger or excitement when the ending came. It was like they were just killing time throughout the beginning until they could get to the final fight.

I was really hoping that the first half would be about Magneto finally getting fed up with humans, building his army, and terrorizing the world and forcing it to bow down to him. Then the classic x-men, Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Iceman, Collosus would finally get it together and work as a team to bring them down in the second half with meaningful deaths. Then the final act would display the aftermath.

Instead we got Magneto on the fox 5 news...boring

drinkblatzbeer

05-26-2006, 09:14 PM

just saw it...

anyways, second movie is still the best...

this one was pretty good for a while, but the last 25 mins or so sucked...

juggernaut turned out being cooler than i thought he would be...

and the danger room scene was brilliant...

bakla

05-26-2006, 09:32 PM

Key word for the whole movie: pat.
As soon as I got home from X3 I called Nobs and went on a tirade, bandying the word 'pat' about way too much. The movie seemed rushed as, like the number of mutants and moments they tried to cram in it, explanations and rationales were there just to facilitate the action. It was all too pat.

Beast: Let's Close the school.
Everyone: Oh no. where will we go. Okay. Sigh.
Angel: Can i join the school?
Storm: We're open again!

(I half expected Storm to say, "You're that rich Warren Worthington kid, right? Woohoo! Money to keep the school open!")

Mags leaving Mystique after she saved him from losing his powers - a little more in the way of explanation would have made the gravitas of the scene fare better, and emphasize character in a way that isn't so black & white. Mags isn't disloyal, nor is he just evil. But I could see the director and writers saying, "Magneto acts like a dick when he leaves Mystique after she gets her powers wiped." It an amateurish scene. Mags is more subtle than that, as shown in the past two movies - even a moment to kneel next to her and say goodbye might have seemed more in character to me. Magneto's a dick? We get it. You just bludgeoned me with the fact. This scene just seemed to pat.

Cyclops sees Jean risen. Never mind the fact that he just spent the months since she died mourning her (it must have been months - her hair grew a foot and a half. Although for someone who spent all that time underwater, her hair sure looked dry. She needs a good conditioner. ;)). When Scott kisses her, it might as well have been two gay guys greeting each other a week later at a bar - "HEy guuurl! How are you? You look FABulous!" because there was no real intensity, just some passionless kissing like she went on a vacation and got back with a new haircut, as opposed to rising from the dead. The lack of emotion in that scene (a) didn't follow up on the characters' relationship set up over the past two movies (never mind about the characters in the comics), (b) was an injustice to Cyclops to have died so off-panel, like it was an afterthought. Sure, it shows how Jean is remorseless, killing the man she loves the most in the world. But why? No reason at all - no provocation. She was provoked into killing everyine at the end when they fired on her, but here? She woke up from the dead and was cranky?? Is she evil? To me, she was just crazy. But if the Phoenix is all emotion and fury, this doesn't compute. Killing Cyclops had nothing to do with Jean's character, it just seemed like a mechanism to show, ooh, she's evil. Once again, pat.

Rogue: Oh, I took the cure. I wanted it. Like I want your frozen d**k, Bobby. Like Nobs said, I felt it showed no character growth. And the way it was resolved? Pat.

Even a few more seconds of gesture, of meaningful dialogue, could have emphasized the characters and emotions more. Singer had more of a handle on that in the first two movies.

Killing Xavier worked better. That, and Jean's childhood, were good scenes. I think it's a testament to the actors involved - Stewart, McKellen & Janssen - that those scenes worked. It's what I missed most from the movie and I wish that Ratner had done more of this. Any scene with McKellen and Stewart, for me, is great, because these two stalwarts are so strong that you can feel the chemistry between them. And Jean, sitting in her home - look at her feet's positioning, pidgeon-toed like a little girl's, sitting in her chair. It was great physical acting, and some nice subtlety. There were characters behind the action moments, there were reasons for their actions that went beyond showing a character for no other reason than cool screentime (I'm looking at you, Collossus, you glorified metal catapult. The least you could have done was be shown lifting something and throwing it at your enemies. Hell, find a tv to throw! And hhy the hell did you go take cover with everyone else when Mags and Pyro were throwing cars around? You of all people would have been less prone.)

I think X2 showed so much promise that I was disappointed with X3, and I was already poised for disappointment. Halle Berry notwithstanding, I was looking forward to Phoenix. And the parts about Jean and her transformation were what entertained me the most.

Fanboy gripe? No Phoenix raptor. Jean's powers were invisible, but while the effects were awesome, I wanted the raptor that was hinted at in X2. I've only waited 30 years to see it (I believe Phoenix first appeared in 1976, a year after I started reading uncanny) and now I never will. And irony of ironies, Dark Willow from Buffy predated movie Dark Phoenix's black pupils and face veins. Hell, Willow had the short flip hairdo Jean had before Jean did too. To think Willow's transformation was inspired by Dark Phoenix. So while a lot of the Jean effects were great, it wasn't entirely new to me - just stepped up. I wanted more than that.

Overall, I think this movie was enjoyable enough. However, my reaction was one of disappointment. Storm's role was better this time around, but it's Halle Berry, not Storm, and I've long resigned myself to her performances leaving me hollow. I even thought that Wolverine came of as more of a wimp in this show - his crying over Xavier seemed so out of character. The fact that Hollow Berry had to comfort him was a sure sign that he was not the same cool tough guy in the past two movies. I liked his attitude in the Danger Room, but after that it seemed he was just a weepy-ass mess.

And that's all I have for now. I plan to see it again and hopefully enjoy it more.

Affinity

05-26-2006, 09:50 PM

OOOOOHHHH MYYYYYY GAWWWWWD.

That was AWESOME. I was very pleased with the overall direction of the film, even if it ran as fast as I'm typing this. I disagree with how the plot unfolded, although it was a greeeeat film. Sure, Juggernaut was a mutant and Quill was Kid Omega, but what the hell, any adaptation of my homeboys and girls makes me happy. I love love LOOOOOVE how the Phoenix was super mega palooza Jean dark side Phoenix ARGHRGAARRGH instead of OMNIPOTENT MUAHAHAHA *SHRIIIIIIEK RAPTOR* crazy alien species mother of all evil dark eyed momma. But she was pretty quiet. Like you guys have said, it was rather odd she was all quiet...she should've been all mental psycho techno WOOAHAH with everyone's heads, like "Mutant 1289" from X2 except with everyone.

LIST TIME because LISTS ARE YOUR FRIENDS

- Maaaan, I could easily see the photoshopped creamy complexion of Patrick Stewart's edited face...whatever, though, it was funny as hell seeing them.

- Ian McKellan is JUST THAT AWESOME. No, really, he's great great great great and, here, have some more great. No Brian K. Vaughan or Joss Whedon could pull off that perfect amount of smirk or sauve that this guy has. I was skeptical in the first two films, but THIS guy is Magneto.

- I laughed when Kid Jean lifted everything in the street. PSYCHO GIRL except WITH RED HAIR.

- Mystique...AWESOMENESS TO THE EXTREME. Rebecca Romijn came out GREAT this film, without a doubt, and her little human cameo on the screen was cool.

- I WANTED VAL COOPER although Beast was AWESOME speaking of which...

- ...Beast was GREAT! Like Yoda in Episode II, ZIP ZIP ZOOM was his feral beasty self and I loved it. I was the only one who laughed, in the whole theater, at "Oh my stars and garters!" lolol for shame

- Rogue/Kitty/Bobby was rushed and the skating scene was so sillly silly sillly

- Rogue...oh man, Rogue, what the hell, my dear. How AWESOME would it have been if she came back and Bobby was like..."Rogue---" and she cuts him off and goes "Shhh" and then they smooch real quickly and you expect nothing to happen but Bobby gets a little zap...OOOHHH YEAH I expected Rogue to overcome that cheap way out. One of the few things I didn't like.

- Leech playing X-Box 360.

- KID OMEGA WHAT ZE HELL MEIN CAPITAN? Quill. Death of Kavita Rao was unneccccesssaryyyy, and stupid.

- Phoenix DEMOLECULARIZATION STATION was so wicked, man...SO WICKEDDD....everything just going FLOOSH FLOOSH WHSIIZHKKKk.

- Best death EVER, though the funeral could have waited. Xavier...his knuckles whisking away was so harsh.

- Saaaay..where the hell was Dazzler, M, Emma, anyone else?

- ANGEL SUCKED FOR SHAME. Seriously. What? Angel?

- Cyclops went out like a punk. Had an allergic reaction to Jean (you saw those hives, man?).

- Jean's face without color was wicked AND THE EYES WERE SCARY and I felt really bad

- But its okay because STORM was TOLERABLE IN THIS MOVIE

- X-Men vs Brotherhood in Jean's House was soo sooooo sooooo great OMGOODNESS I LAUGHED SO MUCH it was like a Tarantino film. Storm+Wolverine=pwneddddd

- My Super Ex-Girlfiend AHAHAHAH awesome trailer, weirdest movie ever Uma Thurman is cool in that Uma Uma HEY way.

- Wolverine should have chopped Jean's head off...like, in Endsong, Jean should have kept on coming back and then SLICEEE, and then her head rolling or something

- AFTER ZE CREDITS BWAHNWAIUKJHNSP*(!@U_ MLKZ:A{"ap AWESOOMMME

- Moira was too pretty and British Accents is as far as they can go in the movies in terms of FOREIGN

I will back with more later.

Sandoz

05-26-2006, 09:57 PM

Someone was credited as Omega Red in that movie. Out of the mutants I've seen that guy Wolverine fought in the woods fits the bill the most.
No one was credited as Omega Red. Ken Leung was credited as "Kid Omega" and that was it. The character Wolverine fought in the woods was Spike.

The spikes popped on of his wrists and nowhere else. Spike is able to shoot spikes in any place of his body.
Artistic license. Callisto is another perfect example of how the movies have taken liberties with what established mutants can or can't do.

Affinity

05-26-2006, 10:24 PM

Can someone DEFINITIVELY tell me if Magneto DID or DID NOT move the chess peice, ever so slightly, at the end? I am dying in anger if he did.

Beast

05-26-2006, 10:52 PM

Can someone DEFINITIVELY tell me if Magneto DID or DID NOT move the chess peice, ever so slightly, at the end? I am dying in anger if he did.
He did. It wobbles ever so slightly. In the book, it's bottle caps. :)

Sandoz

05-26-2006, 10:52 PM

Can someone DEFINITIVELY tell me if Magneto DID or DID NOT move the chess peice, ever so slightly, at the end? I am dying in anger if he did.
Yes, he did. The novelization ends pretty much the same way.

EDIT: Curses! Beaten by seconds!

Sean Whitmore

05-26-2006, 10:56 PM

Can someone DEFINITIVELY tell me if Magneto DID or DID NOT move the chess peice, ever so slightly, at the end? I am dying in anger if he did.

Looked like it moved to me. But maybe I let what I wanted to see influence what I actually saw.

SEAN

PerfectBrak

05-26-2006, 11:05 PM

Beast: Let's Close the school.
Everyone: Oh no. where will we go. Okay. Sigh.
Angel: Can i join the school?
Storm: We're open again!

(I half expected Storm to say, "You're that rich Warren Worthington kid, right? Woohoo! Money to keep the school open!")

That scene had me confused, and I was thinking the same thing. I even thought for a second Warren was going to offer Storm his money.

Rogue: Oh, I took the cure. I wanted it. Like I want your frozen d**k, Bobby. Like Nobs said, I felt it showed no character growth. And the way it was resolved? Pat.

My other main gripe. Rogue was a waste of space this time around. Taking her and a few other mutants out of the movie entirely would've left some much needed time developing others.

And yet, I still loved the movie. Not sure if I like X2 or X3 better, but the latest was definitely enjoyable.

Beast

05-26-2006, 11:08 PM

Yes, he did. The novelization ends pretty much the same way.

EDIT: Curses! Beaten by seconds!
:D PWNED! :D

xmanson

05-26-2006, 11:09 PM

We are getting boring 90's Rogue and we should be getting kickass fuck all 80's Rogue.

D-LO

05-26-2006, 11:11 PM

Just got in from seeing it.. Good film but even if I'm not fan of Cyclops ,I felt he should have been there through the film..Especially after Pro.X died..But it is probably difficult trying make a film with so many characters thats been around for decades..Who do you put in????:confused: Who do you leave out???:confused: Judging by the end , a very happy ending ,that there probably won't be an X4.

Dazzler

05-26-2006, 11:19 PM

seriously, i hate wolverine. he's the "only" one who can get through to Jean? Please. Jean's end was punked.

However, let me be the first to say that if i were straight,and they were real, Arclight and Mystique would be my lovers. As it is, they're my bitches.

--Dazz

Beast

05-26-2006, 11:20 PM

MakeshiftHero

05-26-2006, 11:25 PM

I don't see why some of yall are still griping about "jug being a mutant" and "no phoenix raptor" and mutants with powers that they shouldn't have. To me the movies are another version of the characters and stories.
We have 616 universe, Ultimate universe, and Movie universe. Movies will always be different than the books because it has to be, it fits better and they are trying to have so much more people like the movie than those who read the books. They have a larger audience to please so there has to be changes.

But yes I do agree it would have been awesome if Jean would have manipulated fire around her and form it into a raptor. But Movie version Jean didn't have fire powers from the phoenix, her "phoenix powers" was way stonger psy powers which made sense. It would only confuse people if she had fire powers.

Off topic, I hope for X4 they bring in Quicksilver and Wanda to start the borhterhood back up w/ Pyro and Madrox and others and start doing terrorist things.

roundman

05-26-2006, 11:28 PM

As with all the other X-movies, my main complaint was that it was too short. It needed to be at least a half hour longer, preferably an hour longer, just to make use of all of the characters. People are more than willing to watch three hour long sci-fi/fantasy movies. Lord of the Rings proved that. Why not make an X-Men movie long enough to actually tell the story? I thought that Colossus was especially underused. I was waiting for a Juggernaut/Colossus showdown, but it just never happened. A shame.

Other gripes:
-I didn't like this version of the Brotherhood. I didn't recognize them. It wasn't until after the movie that I even knew that the one was supposed to be Calisto. Then you have spike-faced kid, Arclight(who?), and Spike the bone chucking wonder. Yes, I know that I'm out of the loop, but why not show some of the classic Brotherhood members? Plus, I wish that they would have brought back Sabretooth for the big fight.

-The movie started out far too "punny" for me. "I don't have to be psychic to see that something is bothering you." "You of all people know how quickly the weather can change." Ugh.

-As for Juggernaut: He needed more screen time. Plus, I would have rather had him make his trademark "I'm unstoppable" boast rather than call Shadowcat a bitch.

-I thought that it was weird that no one mentioned that Cyclops had died until about 10 minutes after his death. Very strange.

-I'm still waiting for a Marvel movie to have some sort of crossover. Not even a mention of the Fantastic Four, the Hulk, or Spider Man. The shared universe is what originally made Marvel great.

On the bright side:

-The Beast was perfect. Absolutely perfect.

-Loved the Sentinel cameo and the fastball special

-Great use of the Multiple Man.

-Overall quality of the acting was very good (except of course Halle Berry. She won an Oscar? I've seen better acting on Skinemax. Most overrated actress of our time.)

-Great effects, especially for the final battle.

Overall, I enjoyed this movie. It wasn't as good as 2, but it was better than the original. The third installment of super hero movies tend to suck (See Superman 3 and Batman and Robin), but this was pretty good. Much too short, but very watchable. I'm looking forward to the director's cut DVD.

MakeshiftHero

05-26-2006, 11:28 PM

Oh yeah one complaint that I have is I wished that at the final battle when the X team was making their entrances (beast hurdeling into the air, colossus slaming into the ground, wolverine sliding down the sides) Iceman should have slid down on an iceslide, that would have made it perfect! And also give more time to Madrox and more things to do.

Babylon23

05-26-2006, 11:47 PM

I really disliked this film for one basic reason - the almost complete lack of character and personality. In the previous 2 movies, the script writers managed to give each character a distinct personality, and a few key character moments, despite the large cast. For this movie, they seem to have stripped most of that away, and gone purely for cool visuals. I would have preferred a decent balance between the two, which the first 2 films gave us. Overall, I found this to be a very shallow film.

Having said that, the final sequence with Jean's death was well done, and Kelsey Grammer was excellent as the Beast, given what little he had to work with.

A couple of minor gripes. Angel was a complete waste of time in this film. I would have preferred that they included Nightcrawler. Also, Scott's removal from the film seemed rushed and clumsily handled, and I kept expecting him to show up at the end. Really, he should have been there at the end for added emotional value.

bakla

05-26-2006, 11:52 PM

I don't see why some of yall are still griping about "jug being a mutant" and "no phoenix raptor" and mutants with powers that they shouldn't have. To me the movies are another version of the characters and stories....

But yes I do agree it would have been awesome if Jean would have manipulated fire around her and form it into a raptor. But Movie version Jean didn't have fire powers from the phoenix, her "phoenix powers" was way stonger psy powers which made sense. It would only confuse people if she had fire powers.

I get the whole Movie X-men is different. But you know what? Jean was all aflame in X2, so there WAS as precedent. Corruscating energy that looked like fire, hinted at, built up, and then dropped completely in X3. So yeah, the fanboy in me was disappointed. To moviegoers who know don't read the books, it wouldn't make a diff, because she was pretty damn wicked.

MakeshiftHero

05-27-2006, 12:12 AM

I get the whole Movie X-men is different. But you know what? Jean was all aflame in X2, so there WAS as precedent. Corruscating energy that looked like fire, hinted at, built up, and then dropped completely in X3. So yeah, the fanboy in me was disappointed. To moviegoers who know don't read the books, it wouldn't make a diff, because she was pretty damn wicked.

Oh yeah no complaint about that, same here. All the "fanboys" out there I bet are bummed, but if Jean having a split personality called "the phoenix" with extra psy powers is better for the audience to cope w/ and it rakes in more money so an X4 will be in the future, I'm all for it. And also to kind of help the point, if in the movie Juggernaught said that he got his powers from an all powerful gem, he would loose appeal from the avg movie go-ers.

off topic: who was the guy that kept growing his arms back after logan hacked them off?

Nick Kal

05-27-2006, 12:26 AM

It was awful. They really massacred the X-Men here. How can you kill Cyclops? On top of that, how can have you have nobody give a damn at all? Also, why was Angel in the movie? And Rogue? It stunk.

MakeshiftHero

05-27-2006, 12:26 AM

Oh yeah I forgot who asked why Kurt isnt in the movie. But in the X3 video game (rent it DO NOT BUY IT, not that great) at the end Kurt goes to the Prof. and he says that he can't stay because the missions that he went on were too violent for him and it doesn't work well with his kind nature, but that he'll keep in touch. Other than that there's nothing else that connects
X2 and X3. The story is that Jason survived the collapse at the lake and somehow Master Mold is awaken at the lake (created by Weapon X and Stryker) and the X-Men have to stop it, they also face mini bosses like Madrox, "Pyro", Lady D.S., Silver Samuri, and Sabertooth.
It's pretty much a story on it's own and besides the fact that Scott is having bad dreams about jean or hearing her voice (I forgot) and Kurt saying he's leaving cause he's a pansy nothing else ties into the movies.

Tabris

05-27-2006, 12:34 AM

My #1 complaint is that Magneto got punked out like a bitch. That was absolutely retarded, they could've done way better than that.

Some much stupid stuff in this movie. So much potential wasted.

bakla

05-27-2006, 12:35 AM

Oh yeah no complaint about that, same here. All the "fanboys" out there I bet are bummed, but if Jean having a split personality called "the phoenix" with extra psy powers is better for the audience to cope w/ and it rakes in more money so an X4 will be in the future, I'm all for it. And also to kind of help the point, if in the movie Juggernaught said that he got his powers from an all powerful gem, he would loose appeal from the avg movie go-ers.

Oh, I don't give a shit about juggsie! One little scene with a burning cockatoo, that's all I ask!:D

lawman

05-27-2006, 12:55 AM

By "Hollywood action movie" standards, I'd say it wasn't bad... reasonably entertaining, even.

However, it doesn't even begin to live up to X-Men or (IMHO especially) X2.

They were obviously going for a bodies-littering-the-stage sense of tragedy here, but without spending time to establish an emotional investment in the characters, it just didn't work. It seemed like spectacle and shock value for its own sake.

There were clever uses of various super-powers, I'll give them that. But the creativity involved in coming up with clever super-stunts is not the same as the creativity involved in having characters interact with one another as people. (Indeed, those sorts of creativity too often seem to be mutually exclusive in any given writer.) It was the latter that made the first two films work, gave them emotional and thematic weight, and that's what was missing here.

Heck, too many characters (Scott, Jean... really, almost everyone except Logan and Magneto!) got hardly any dialogue at all beyond the bare bones necessary to keep the plot moving. (And some scenes -- e.g., the play-by-play in the President's war room, the X-Men's deliberately dramatic entrance before the big battle -- were just laughably melodramatic, which hurt the overall mood even more.)

Gotta give props to Ian McKellen, though. Much as in DaVinci Code, he rose above the material. Made you believe in one character, at least.

Still... wanna see how to wrap up an epic adventure trilogy the right way? Go watch Return of the King again. (McKellen was in that one, too, of course... but the rest of the movie stayed up at his level.)

X-Men:The Last Stand IMO was made for movie goers not for X-Men fans.
No, it wasn't made for them either. One of the friends I went with came in "cold" (she hadn't even seen the previous two movies), and she was even more disappointed than I was, because she just came out confused. Had no idea who any of these people were or why we were supposed to care about them.

Not in any other movie adaption (books or otherwise) is so much of the stories changed except for comic book movies.
Well, c'mon, in all fairness, that's not true. Ever see Breakfast At Tiffany's?... ;)

Rogue should not have taken the cure, the whole point of the story was accepting your powers and then she didn't...
Not really. The point (to the extent that they had any thematic resolution for that plot mcguffin at all, which wasn't much) was that everyone should have the choice, for themselves, of whether or not to take the cure. (If it was just all about rejecting the cure, why wouldn't the X-Men and Magneto have been on the same side?...)

Sean Whitmore

05-27-2006, 01:02 AM

They were obviously going for a bodies-littering-the-stage sense of tragedy here, but without spending time to establish an emotional investment in the characters, it just didn't work.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Most of the people who died - Scott, Xavier, Jean (even Mystique, kinda-sorta) - we've had three movies to establish them.

Besides them, the only other people who were killed were Magneto's mutants. And they were just plain ol' bad guy henchmen, like in any Die Hard movie. How much more buildup than that do they need? How much did Sabretooth, Toad, or Deathstrike get?

SEAN

Aetherus

05-27-2006, 01:13 AM

The theater I saw the movie at had a sub-par sound system, and there was one scene where I initially thought Storm actually farted! Then I realized that it may have been Beast purring, but with the crappy sound, I'm not too sure. The scene I thought I heard the purring was when Beast and Storm were sitting next to each other on the sofa. Did anyone else hear Beast purring?

lawman

05-27-2006, 01:39 AM

I'm the total opposite.

Hate cheering, hate clapping.

The emptier, the better.
I don't mind 'em, myself... but I didn't notice any of either in the sold-out theater I saw this in. Audience was totally underwhelmed.

...an injustice to Cyclops to have died so off-panel, like it was an afterthought. Sure, it shows how Jean is remorseless, killing the man she loves the most in the world. But why? No reason at all - no provocation... Killing Cyclops had nothing to do with Jean's character, it just seemed like a mechanism to show, ooh, she's evil. Once again, pat.
Couldn't agree more. I had hoped and expected that with a Phoenix story obviously coming, X3 would finally give Scott a chance to come into his own, show why he deserved his status as team leader. No such luck: he was just unceremoniously shoved aside.

lawman

05-27-2006, 01:50 AM

I'm not sure what you mean here. ... Most of the people who died - Scott, Xavier, Jean (even Mystique, kinda-sorta) - we've had three movies to establish them.
How much more buildup than that do they need?
What I mean is that there was no time spent establishing a bond with the characters in this movie. In emotional terms, a film needs to work on its own, even if it's a sequel. X2 did that, Spider-Man 2 did that, each of the LOTR films did that...

...but X3 emphatically did not. It just tried to ride on the coattails of the characters relationships established in the first two.

(And even taking those coattails into account, Scott's death still seemed cheap and easy. Not heroic, not even on-screen, and basically unmourned. It felt like a loose end in the plot, a "who did the actor piss off?" moment that just yanks you out of the story.)

The Fury

05-27-2006, 02:44 AM

Oh, I don't give a shit about juggsie! One little scene with a burning cockatoo, that's all I ask!:D
Everytime I think back on it, the better Juggernaut was in it. Vinnie Jones has that skill in role like this that is perfect.

Well, c'mon, in all fairness, that's not true. Ever see Breakfast At Tiffany's?... ;)

No actually. But I get your point.

But still....I hate Wovlerine/.

atoningunifex

05-27-2006, 05:00 AM

Oh, I don't give a shit about juggsie! One little scene with a burning cockatoo, that's all I ask!:D

After the movie I turned to the friend I went with and said "She's the motherfuckin' Phoenix! Where's the fire? Why the hell is she always surrounded by water? Don't they KNOW what a Phoenix is?"

Definitely a letdown after all the cool Phoenix-y buildup in X2.

thebeast

05-27-2006, 05:55 AM

I agree with a lot of what's been said here. the film had WAY too many characters that I was just "supposed to care about just because they're in the movie". Consequently, I didn't care about any of them. I mean Kitty gives this whole speech about how Xavier is the only friend she ever had and I just kept thinking "Who the hell cares? Who are you?" She just appearsand I'm supposed to care about her...her backstory.....and that she's now friendless and alone.

I also had trouble with Magneto's choice to leave Mystique. It seemed a little too cold even for him. I would have rather seen her say "Eric, kill me" and have him do it out of pity/sympathy. THAT would have been one of the few moments that would have made an emtional impact.

Aside from that, was anyone else bothered by the fact that Warren Worthington kept this child locked up and nobody really questioned it. He just kind of has Leech locked up and is running experiments on him and nobody cares. That bothered me a lot.

ok, enough ranting. Overall, I was really disappointed. Maybe they'll do a fourth where they can fix a few mistakes and give people more/better closure. until then I'll be happy to just watch the first 2 on DVD.

Beast

05-27-2006, 07:03 AM

Aside from that, was anyone else bothered by the fact that Warren Worthington kept this child locked up and nobody really questioned it. He just kind of has Leech locked up and is running experiments on him and nobody cares. That bothered me a lot.
Considering your namesake, I would have thought you noted that someone did. That was the whole point of Beast's visit to Worthington labs, to make sure Jimmy/Leech was being properly cared for and wasn't just being exploited as some sort of lab rat. Kavita even assures Hank that they're following his department's policies regarding the treatment of a mutant. :)

Deathstroke

05-27-2006, 07:20 AM

juggernaut turned out being cooler than i thought he would be...

I thought Juggernaut was a waste of screen time.

Oh, and anyone else find it kind of hot when Kitty called him a dickhead?

Beast

05-27-2006, 07:22 AM

I thought Juggernaut was a waste of screen time.

Oh, and anyone else find it kind of hot when Kitty called him a dickhead?
I found it forced, it didn't scream 'Kitty' for me. Sorta like the crappy "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" line.

The Fury

05-27-2006, 07:25 AM

I found it forced, it didn't scream 'Kitty' for me. Sorta like the crappy "I'm the Juggernaut, Bitch!" line.
Hey, no dissing the Juggernaut in this movie. His one liners made up for too much Wolverine.

Beast

05-27-2006, 07:30 AM

Hey, no dissing the Juggernaut in this movie. His one liners made up for too much Wolverine.
Oh, Juggernaut was cool. (Not as cool as Beast, of course.) But I hate that stupid video, and it wasn't funny enough to actually do a shout-out to it in the movie. That was stupid. :D

The Fury

05-27-2006, 07:34 AM

Oh, Juggernaut was cool. (Not as cool as Beast, of course.) But I hate that stupid video, and it wasn't funny enough to actually do a shout-out to it in the movie. That was stupid. :D
Well, cool.

And Beast was great, especially onc we saw hiom fighting, jumping all over the place, it was great.

I just liked Juggs line about his helmet keeping his face pretty. Oh and when Juggernaut whopped Wolverine at the Grey's house.

Beast

05-27-2006, 07:41 AM

Well, cool.

And Beast was great, especially onc we saw hiom fighting, jumping all over the place, it was great.

I just liked Juggs line about his helmet keeping his face pretty. Oh and when Juggernaut whopped Wolverine at the Grey's house.
Yeah, I never expected them to capture Hank's fighting style that well in the movies. But they did a really good job of it. And his banter with Wolverine during the fight was just great. Though I wish we would have gotten a bit more of them rubbing each other the wrong way up until they were working together.

And yes, Juggy beating the crap out of Wolverine was great. Mostly because someone needed to do it that well the last two movies. Sabretooth and Deathstrike were ok, but noone gave Wolvie the beatdown that Juggs did.

steve2275

05-27-2006, 07:46 AM

is there a COLOSSUS juggernaut fight?
nm

brian2322

05-27-2006, 07:47 AM

juggy, kitty,wolvey, and beast were amazing

is it just me or did that movie switch scenes way too quickly. and some just didnt feel right to me

I agree with people when hey say that there were just too many characters. I mean colossus was just there to provide the crappy fasball special. the pyro iceman fight let me down as did magneto in this movie aside from the bridge thing.

there should have been less brotherhood and more actual xmen. i mean the x-lineup was good but just didnt seem all interesting or powerful.i thought xaviers death would have brought back more x men who wanted revenge or to stop magneto

all in all i thought it was alright but should have been better. though i saw it at 1230 on a night that i was freaking tired. maybe i have to see it again

Beast

05-27-2006, 07:52 AM

is it just me or did that movie switch scenes way too quickly. and some just didnt feel right to me.
Yes. Breakneck editing. That's why I said it needed about 20 minutes more for characterization and breathing space between scenes. You barely get into one scene, before you're suddenly hit over the head with another.
there should have been less brotherhood and more actual xmen. i mean the x-lineup was good but just didnt seem all interesting or powerful.i thought xaviers death would have brought back more x men who wanted revenge or to stop magneto.
I think the over-whelming odds helped the movie quite a bit. Besides, there arn't really that many established X-Men from what the movie tells us. There were only four originally... Jean, Scott, Ororo, and Hank. So unless they wanted to waste more time revealing even more X-Men with no characterization focused on them, it was best they kept it small with only a couple new characters to develop.

The Fury

05-27-2006, 07:53 AM

is there a COLOSSUS juggernaut fight?
Sadly, no.

I agree with people when hey say that there were just too many characters. I mean colossus was just there to provide the crappy fasball special. the pyro iceman fight let me down as did magneto in this movie aside from the bridge thing.

Apparently there wasn't much Colossus becuase the guy who played him was a bad actor. That's it I think. Of course full Metaled up Colossus costs money.

But Mageto did make short work of the Truck and it's armoury of vehricles. Actually talking about this scene. I remember from the trailer there was a moment when one of the cars was made to fly back and hit the truck or something...that didn't happen, do you think that will be a deleted scene?

The Fury

05-27-2006, 07:55 AM

There were only four originally... Jean, Scott, Ororo, and Hank. So unless they wanted to waste more time revealing even more X-Men with no characterization focused on them, it was best they kept it small with only a couple new characters to develop.
Very true. But what of such X-men characters as Havok and Polaris. You'd think Havok would show up after he finds out his brother is missing presumed dead.

Also, how disrespectful was it that Wolverine did not show up the main funeral for Xavier and dressed like he always does.

Beast

05-27-2006, 08:00 AM

Very true. But what of such X-men characters as Havok and Polaris. You'd think Havok would show up after he finds out his brother is missing presumed dead.

Also, how disrespectful was it that Wolverine did not show up the main funeral for Xavier and dressed like he always does.
Maybe Havok and Polaris will turn up in X4, if there is one. Havok makes perfect sense, given Scott is dead. And Polaris could be used by Magneto to help restore his powers to full capacity. Perfect way of using them both.

That scene plays much better in the book, because Claremont gives you a look inside Logan's head. He wanted to mourn Xavier in his own way, and not with the group. It makes a great deal more sense when you can get insight on characters thoughts. Something harder to do without Thought Bubbles and Narration Boxes.

The Fury

05-27-2006, 08:06 AM

Maybe Havok and Polaris will turn up in X4, if there is one. Havok makes perfect sense, given Scott is dead. And Polaris could be used by Magneto to help restore his powers to full capacity. Perfect way of using them both.

That scene plays much better in the book, because Claremont gives you a look inside Logan's head. He wanted to mourn Xavier in his own way, and not with the group. It makes a great deal more sense when you can get insight on characters thoughts. Something harder to do without Thought Bubbles and Dialogue Boxes.
You mean the murdering scum cares for someone that isn't himself? :eek:

:D

Really I hope that with the introduction of such characters as Moira and others they will continue the movies onward.

I watch Johnothon Ross last night (big interview person here in the UK and also a big comic fan) he was talking to Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry. They talked about the movie somewhat, and Halle said about how fans had come to her after X-men 2 and told her how they didn't like Storm in it, and how this disturbed her (Which is right, it should), some blamed her but many blamed how she let the writer write Storm that way....anyway. Near the end she said out right that she would be very interested in comming back for a 4th. Now while most people might think that having her in it again is bad, think of it this way. If big name Halle Berry says she'd like to be back, let her, if it gets a 4th made then cool.

Of course I'd want Sinister or Apocalypse in it. i've had enough Mageto for a while.