X3 Thread to Talk About it Once You've Seen It - *Spoilers!*

[tetragene]

I have to agree with Beast--a lot of the complaints are very nitpicky. Juggernaut vs Colossus, Juggernaut as Prof X's step bro, etc would have been nice additions--but they're not huge deals in the larger scope of things (and the movieverse cannot be exactly like the comicverse, same as the cartoons and videogames can't be exactly like the comics). Rogue not being the sassy girl with the thick southern twang accent is a HUGE problem though ;) Seriously, as Beast said--the lack of characterization for quite a few of the characters is where the real problem is. The Dark Phoenix bit should have been played up more. I felt sorry for Jean, but they did not play that aspect up enough with the audience or the character in the film...the only characters that felt any remorse/compassion for her throughout the whole movie were Prof X and Wolverine.

[Darkstorm5000]

I have some thoughts over Magnetos brotherhood...

You could have had Fabian Cortez, Scanner or Caliban fill the mutant tracker role that they filled with Callisto. I know Cortez doesnt actually have this abbility but it makes more sense with his control over other peoples powers...he must anturally be able to feel when theyres powers in the area to control...

Have Callisto just as she...played by Chrissy Hynde....that would have been cool...:D

Had Blob instead of Juggernaut...(just a personal preference on my part)

Have Avalanche instead of Arclight...would have been able to do the same things basically.

Destiny...that would have been great....make Destiny be played by a young woman though so there could still be relationship between her and raven and a bit of jealousy from mags as it seemed liek there was a sexual connection between them in previous films...plus you could have had destiny making ltos of vague comments...tha tpay off at the end.

Seeing as the cure doesn't seem to be a totally done deal, if there is an X4, I think it'd be cool to see an eventually repowered (and very pissed) Mystique gather up a disillusioned Pyro, and the last three names mentioned, as part of her own Brotherhood II.

A group, whose goals are DEFINITELY different from those of the X-Men's, and possibly even from Magneto's for that matter.

[Alex A Sanchez]

It was as if the movie was caught between wanting to make X-geeks jump with joy and piss them off.

I had the exact same feeling.

I think the action is miles better than X1 and X2, yet I felt there was something intangible missing that the first 2 had.

There was more action, but the quality of the action was better in X2. Nightcrawler's intro scene was amazing and truly showed how strong his power can be. Wolverine's attack in the forest has no where near the impact of his battle with the government soldiers invading the mansion. The only impactful action scenes in X3 were Xavier's death Kitty's quick battle with Juggy. The final scene just fell flat of what was promised in the trailer: half of the bad guys got wiped out by the "cure" before the fighting began.

Is it the best X-Men movie? No, that's still X2. This, however, is the best X-Men movie. If that makes any sense at all.

I would argue the opposite: the storytelling, pacing, plot, and character development were far superior in X2. It was a better movie. X3 had more stuff for the comic fans and/or action film fans. It was the better X-men movie. It was like one long episode of the cartoon, or a live action comic book. Read the reviews, casual movie fans and critics liked X2 much more.

[Foley]

I had the exact same feeling.



There was more action, but the quality of the action was better in X2. Nightcrawler's intro scene was amazing and truly showed how strong his power can be. Wolverine's attack in the forest has no where near the impact of his battle with the government soldiers invading the mansion. The only impactful action scenes in X3 were Xavier's death Kitty's quick battle with Juggy. The final scene just fell flat of what was promised in the trailer: half of the bad guys got wiped out by the "cure" before the fighting began.



I would argue the opposite: the storytelling, pacing, plot, and character development were far superior in X2. It was a better movie. X3 had more stuff for the comic fans and/or action film fans. It was the better X-men movie. It was like one long episode of the cartoon, or a live action comic book. Read the reviews, casual movie fans and critics liked X2 much more.

I wasn't very impressed with X-3 as either an Xmen fan or a movie fan. It had excellent action scenes, but much of the development felt rushed and forced. I know the movies aren't beholden to the comics, but it sucked to have a Dark Phoenix story without Cyke. As a movie, I would have liked to have a paragraph of dialogue out Jean in the entire movie. If her "Phoenix" powers created a schism, I would like to have seen it. Instead we get Jean killing the love of her life, trying to screw Wolvie, killing Xavier, joining Magneto, then discorporating everything without any explanation or true angst on her part. I would have enjoyed the same plot if there had been better character development throughout. Ratner could have included the themes of sacrifice for the greater good, love, and family without even changing much except the dialogue.

[Zombienorthstar]

Read an interview in Wizard with the girl who played Psylocke...apparently her powers were intended to be shadow porting, telepathy and psi blades...i think there was some psi blade stuff shot and never shown...which is a shame because it would have removed alot of outrage.

[Beast]

Read an interview in Wizard with the girl who played Psylocke...apparently her powers were intended to be shadow porting, telepathy and psi blades...i think there was some psi blade stuff shot and never shown...which is a shame because it would have removed alot of outrage.
If that was shadow porting, she sure appeared in the middle of a brightly lit hallway. ;)

[Uncle Nobs]

You could have had Fabian Cortez, Scanner or Caliban fill the mutant tracker role that they filled with Callisto. I know Cortez doesnt actually have this abbility but it makes more sense with his control over other peoples powers...he must anturally be able to feel when theyres powers in the area to control...

Have Callisto just as she...played by Chrissy Hynde....that would have been cool...
That's awesome casting, ZN! I wonder why I've never heard that before?

I don't have a problem with Callisto's powers in the movie. In the comics, she has heightened strength, speed, and tracking abilities based on heightened senses). The filmmakers basically just increased her existing powers, simplifying her tracking abilities as psionic tracking powers. I don't think it disrespected the comics.

If I had my druthers, though, it would have been Chrissy with a sort of punk head-wrap that functioned as an eyepatch. She'd be more like a female counterpart to Wolverine, as she is in the comics--a rough-edged, pissed-off, badass, hand-to-hand combatant who uses her environment to her advantage at all times.

[Uncle Nobs]

I wasn't very impressed with X-3 as either an Xmen fan or a movie fan. It had excellent action scenes, but much of the development felt rushed and forced. I know the movies aren't beholden to the comics, but it sucked to have a Dark Phoenix story without Cyke. As a movie, I would have liked to have a paragraph of dialogue out Jean in the entire movie. If her "Phoenix" powers created a schism, I would like to have seen it. Instead we get Jean killing the love of her life, trying to screw Wolvie, killing Xavier, joining Magneto, then discorporating everything without any explanation or true angst on her part. I would have enjoyed the same plot if there had been better character development throughout. Ratner could have included the themes of sacrifice for the greater good, love, and family without even changing much except the dialogue.
That's my feeling, too. The multiple plots didn't hurt it. The overabundance of characters didn't hurt it. It's just the overall tone, the way the story was handled that hurt it.

Except the "Let's kill Scott and suddenly turn this into a Logan/Jean love story even though the previous films only ever showed a sexual attraction between them, and nothing even close to love" thing. I'm really not going to get over that anytime soon.

[Uncle Nobs]

And was that supposed to be Caliban who was talking to the Morlocks before Magneto bust in with his speech?
Nah. They just credited him as a random mutie.

[Foley]

That's my feeling, too. The multiple plots didn't hurt it. The overabundance of characters didn't hurt it. It's just the overall tone, the way the story was handled that hurt it.

Except the "Let's kill Scott and suddenly turn this into a Logan/Jean love story even though the previous films only ever showed a sexual attraction between them, and nothing even close to love" thing. I'm really not going to get over that anytime soon.

as much as I hated Scott dying, i could have lived with it if there had been any sense to it. Phoenix (in X3)is based on passions and instinct...so why kill Scott without any provocation. If she is in love with him, she shoulda just shagged him on the beach, not fried him. Some struggle by Jean before Phoenix fried him and Xavier actually reacting to the death of his first student would have went a long way.

[Uncle Nobs]

as much as I hated Scott dying, i could have lived with it if there had been any sense to it. Phoenix (in X3)is based on passions and instinct...so why kill Scott without any provocation. If she is in love with him, she shoulda just shagged him on the beach, not fried him. Some struggle by Jean before Phoenix fried him and Xavier actually reacting to the death of his first student would have went a long way.
That's another 10-4, good buddy. Before the movie was released, I was trying to reassure people that Scott's death would be poignant. I could very easily see how killing Scott would be justified if it had been handled with dignity.

Alas...

[traxler]

Alas...
not evan any blood an bits of scot liing aroud jus his crummy ruby slippers.

BAH

[Foley]

not evan any blood an bits of scot liing aroud jus his crummy ruby slippers.

BAH



at least it wasn't batman forever:D

[xakko]

That's another 10-4, good buddy. Before the movie was released, I was trying to reassure people that Scott's death would be poignant. I could very easily see how killing Scott would be justified if it had been handled with dignity.

Alas...
i absolutely refuse to say "I told you so"

I will, however, give Ratner and/or the screenwriter a mighty kick to the groin should I ever come upon them.

[Foley]

i absolutely refuse to say "I told you so"

I will, however, give Ratner and/or the screenwriter a mighty kick to the groin should I ever come upon them.

Please give them another for me should the opportunity arise.

[Xany Kaos]

'Nother random complaint on my part, but every time I see a clip or a picture or a trailer, this just sets my teeth on edge.

Jean's. Hair.


What the hell is that? Okay, so, discounting a bottle of spray-dye for an unfortunate cosplay, I've never ventured into the world of hair-dying. But still--you're professionals! Can we make that red look a little less like it came out of a box of brandX you bought at a drug store? Geeze, it's awful. If you wanted otherworldly red, that's fine, but not this fake, plasticy red.

Oh, and...little tip any cosplayer worth their salt can tell you--if you die the hair a lighter color...you should probably dye the eyebrows too.


That is all.

Just shows my sibs X1 and X2, and once again, I'm still amazed by how freaking good they are. And then I compare it to X3...*sugh*

[ronaldmcdonald]

as much as I hated Scott dying, i could have lived with it if there had been any sense to it. Phoenix (in X3)is based on passions and instinct...so why kill Scott without any provocation. If she is in love with him, she shoulda just shagged him on the beach, not fried him. Some struggle by Jean before Phoenix fried him and Xavier actually reacting to the death of his first student would have went a long way.

if they are going ta make part 4 i'm sure they'll show that scott is still alive.
they didn't show him die it was just implied. maybe they'll show that somebody or a group of mutants saved him maybe emma frost and his brother...something like that. jean was unconscious when they found her so maybe a battle took place. maybe....

[Alex A Sanchez]

if they are going ta make part 4 i'm sure they'll show that scott is still alive.
they didn't show him die it was just implied. maybe they'll show that somebody or a group of mutants saved him maybe emma frost and his brother...something like that. jean was unconscious when they found her so maybe a battle took place. maybe....

I've only seen the movie once, but I'm positive Jean never actually says Scott is dead- Logan is the one who comes to that conclusion on his own. It certainly is implied by Jean's silence and the Professor's decision to appoint Storm as the future headmaster of the school.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I wasn't very impressed with X-3 as either an Xmen fan or a movie fan.

Yah. The more i think about it, the more I agree with you. I was upset that Scott died, but once I learned that they only had the actor for a day of filming I can't fault anyone but Fox for having Logan as Jean's love focus.

Ultimately, I blame Singer for this fiasco- everything bad about the movie happened because he abandoned it (or Fox's retaliation). As much as I want to see the Superman movie, I don't think I'll be attending because I'm that angry at Singer. Maybe I'll just sneak in, and have my cake and eat it too.

[Cowlander]

I've only seen the movie once, but I'm positive Jean never actually says Scott is dead- Logan is the one who comes to that conclusion on his own. It certainly is implied by Jean's silence and the Professor's decision to appoint Storm as the future headmaster of the school.
she said she killed him in the lab to logan. Before DP takes over and she leaves and eventually kills Prof X.

[Alex A Sanchez]

she said she killed him in the lab to logan.

Now are you sure? Do you remember her exact words? I'm a doctoral student in psychology and I know tricks to make you remember things that didn't actually happen- I was pretty sure Jean used one of these tricks in the movie.

I don't believe she ever said the words "I killed him". But like I've said, I've only seen it once.

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't believe she ever said the words "I killed him". But like I've said, I've only seen it once.


Jean never said she killed Scott. Logan and Xavier both did, but not Jean.


SEAN

[Jake V]

She said "stop me before I kill anyone else"

So, I guess that's kind of an admission.

[Sean Whitmore]

She said "stop me before I kill anyone else"

So, I guess that's kind of an admission.


Was that before killing Xavier?

Awesome avatar, btw. What Were They Thinking, right? :)


SEAN

[Zombienorthstar]

Was that before killing Xavier?

Awesome avatar, btw. What Were They Thinking, right? :)


SEAN


Yeah, she sexed Logan up escaped the Institute found Magneto killed Xavier then left wit the Brotherhood.

[Jake V]

Was that before killing Xavier?

Awesome avatar, btw. What Were They Thinking, right? :)


SEAN
It was when she woke up in the lab, talking with Wolverine. She snapped out of her Phoenix trance and became the real Jean again. After realizing what she did, she told Wolverine to kill her, and then gave that line.

And yeah, its from Typo's site. I should send him a PM or something.

[KittyPryde]

Finally found some free time to see it this weekend.

Overall I really enjoyed it. Perhaps a bit to hectic in places, and perhaps a few too many "forced" cameos. But overall I thought it was a fun romp.

I was thrilled that Kitty got a good solid B-level part this time, and was very pleased with both the writing for her as well as Ellen Page's portrayal. Of course, Juggy should have been about dead from the one part of the fight where she phases him half-way into the ground and lets go...he wouldn't have displaced the floor, but rather had his legs mix with it and displaced all blood flow through the lower half of his body but I'll forgive the deviation from comic book "science" to the movies.

I don't understand why Jean's endgame ended up the way it did since there were cure syringes all over the place, just like the 4 they used on Magneto...so couldn't Wolverine have just cured Jean rather than offed her? But I guess they wanted her to die to keep it closer to the comic lore of her constant dying.

I look forward to seeing it a 2nd time before it leaves theaters and on DVD when the time comes. Here's hoping for an X4 (beyond just a Wolverine or Magneto spinoff), although the possible rumored one focusing on the younger characters (Kitty returns?!) would be fine by me!

[Beast]

I was thrilled that Kitty got a good solid B-level part this time, and was very pleased with both the writing for her as well as Ellen Page's portrayal. Of course, Juggy should have been about dead from the one part of the fight where she phases him half-way into the ground and lets go...he wouldn't have displaced the floor, but rather had his legs mix with it and displaced all blood flow through the lower half of his body but I'll forgive the deviation from comic book "science" to the movies.
Again, depends on the version of the comic book science. She used the same tactic on Juggy in X-Men Evolution at least twice. So just because it doesn't match the comic science, doesn't mean it doesn't match variations of her powers. We don't know exactly how the movieverse version of Kitty's powers work.
I don't understand why Jean's endgame ended up the way it did since there were cure syringes all over the place, just like the 4 they used on Magneto...so couldn't Wolverine have just cured Jean rather than offed her? But I guess they wanted her to die to keep it closer to the comic lore of her constant dying.
Jean was destroying matter with her powers. The only reason Wolverine was able to get close, is because she wanted him to. Not to mention the density of his Adamantium and his healing factor. Didn't you note how Jean was destroying his flesh as he was trying to get close, and it was growing back. If Wolvie would have had some of the cure syringes, she would have destroyed them before he could even get close with them. Same as using Leech to depower her. She would have torn him apart before he could even get close enough to effect her.

[KittyPryde]

Since you're Beast, I defer to your science knowledge... Although I still think the comic mix-rather-than-displace theory makes more sense (after all the concrete floor had to go somewhere?!?!)

And yes, I did notice the destruction of all that stuff in the endgame. But most seemed to be from a frontal attack position rather than the back. So I don't see why he couldn't have stuffed some in the "tramp-stamp" area of his back waistband (after all, I think his pants still held up) and had him make at least an attempt.

I guess if I had seen him load up the syringe(s) and then reach for it/them (but have them gone where the camera could have shown them disintegrating in-between the load up and the reach), it wouldn't have bothered me as much. At least it would have been known that he tried it as a Plan A and then moved on to Plan B. But instead, I got the feeling that the executed plan was the first choice plan all along (not saying I'm right...it was just the feel that I took from it).

[Dazzler]

Jean was destroying matter with her powers. The only reason Wolverine was able to get close, is because she wanted him to. Not to mention the density of his Adamantium and his healing factor. Didn't you note how Jean was destroying his flesh as he was trying to get close, and it was growing back. If Wolvie would have had some of the cure syringes, she would have destroyed them before he could even get close with them. Same as using Leech to depower her. She would have torn him apart before he could even get close enough to effect her.


she was destroying everything except his pants. which i found really annoying.

that's the only think that i hate about the movie. the end with wolverine and jean, for pete's sake. wolverine is totally ineffectual the entire more, but manages to come back in the third reel to kill the woman he loves. i would have much preferred if Jean killed herself. There had to have been a way to show wolverine as being full of fortitude, yet still nothave been able to conquer Jean.

Just pitiful.

--Dazz

[Drakenred]

she was destroying everything except his pants. which i found really annoying.

that's the only think that i hate about the movie. the end with wolverine and jean, for pete's sake. wolverine is totally ineffectual the entire more, but manages to come back in the third reel to kill the woman he loves. i would have much preferred if Jean killed herself. There had to have been a way to show wolverine as being full of fortitude, yet still nothave been able to conquer Jean.

Just pitiful.

--Dazz
Trust me if I was Jean in that sceen his pants would have been the first to go.

But thats just me.

As for Kitty, She once phased Thor into the ground and he survived, but then Hes Thor (Granted it did cause him an incredible amount of pain when she let go.

[Grizsly]

Bloody hell.

There should be five Stepford Cuckoo's, no? I guess these three are after they've had all the problems with the other two, but that's the LEAST of this movie's problems.

That was Callisto? Sure fooled me.

Psylocke? Nope. Didn't notice her at all.

Fucking awful.

Cyclops dying so early on was pathetic.

Replacing him with Wolvie for the "end" of Jean Grey was even worse.

They really fucking changed the whole goddamn story, huh? Well, yeah, Claremont - what does he know? I'm sure the lamebrained fucks steering this boat of shittiness know better than him.

I can't tell you how much of a fucking let down this stupid movie was to me, especially after the strong efforts of X1 & 2. Ugh.

What a pathetic piece of garbage. I shit on it.

WORST comic movie since the original FF.

Fuckers. I hope they all get the fucking plague.

This pisses me off (almost) as much as trying to pass Keanu off as Constantine.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

Bloody hell.

There should be five Stepford Cuckoo's, no? I guess these three are after they've had all the problems with the other two, but that's the LEAST of this movie's problems.

That was Callisto? Sure fooled me.

Psylocke? Nope. Didn't notice her at all.

Fucking awful.

Cyclops dying so early on was pathetic.

Replacing him with Wolvie for the "end" of Jean Grey was even worse.

They really fucking changed the whole goddamn story, huh? Well, yeah, Claremont - what does he know? I'm sure the lamebrained fucks steering this boat of shittiness know better than him.

I can't tell you how much of a fucking let down this stupid movie was to me, especially after the strong efforts of X1 & 2. Ugh.

What a pathetic piece of garbage. I shit on it.

WORST comic movie since the original FF.

Fuckers. I hope they all get the fucking plague.

This pisses me off (almost) as much as trying to pass Keanu off as Constantine.


Stop accting like a whinning child. Geez a little over dramatic are you.

What would you have done when Masron could only be on set for 1 day. 1 day alright. You can't film an entire movie in one day. Fox and Marvel did what they could given the actor was only available for 1 day of shooting.

If Wolverine was not at the end then who should have been? Cyclops is out of the question because he was on set for one day.

Please stop acting like a rabid fanboy ok. There is no way they could have done the Phoenix Saga and the Cure in 2 hours. The Phoenix Saga would have been at least 3 movies by itself. Still though the rabid fanboys are upset because they don;t understand simple logic.

Obviously you have no taste in movies if you think this is the worst movie since FF. Uh hello Catwoman starring Hallie Berry anyone. How about Elecktra or Batman and Robin starring George Clooney as the smiling Batman. Dude once again your being a rapid fanboy.

You must have hated x1 and x2 because they did not follow exactly God Loves, Man Kills and X-men #1 and Giant Size X-men #1.

Movies can not be done exactly like the comic books. Its called an adaptation.

Oh and last thing, Reeves was not half bad by Constantine. If you think his performance was bad you are a blind fanboy. His performance was not the greatest but a damn good performance. His apperence and acting was very good for the part of I hate everyone Constantine.

[hmnut73]

No matter how good a comic book movie is there is always someone who will claim it is the worst thing in the history of the world. The fact that he can even compare it to the first Fanstastic Four movie shows he has lost all since of reality, even the Jessica Alba FF movie wasn't as good as X3.

Quite complaining, it was entertaining, that's all they set out to do. The movie is not made to honor the classic stories of the X-men, it is not suppose to be a literal translation of what happened in the comic books, it is suppose to be exciting, it is suppose to be entertaining and it is suppose to be fun and it is all those things and more.

Sure I had some problems with it, I mean they totally got Callisto wrong from powers to look to attitude in my opinion, I thought they didn't need to bring Psylocke in since she barely did anything at all and they just killed her off. And I have never liked the kid they got to play Iceman, he seems so boring. But when I leave the movie I feel like I had good time and that's what I paid for.

[Grizsly]

Stop accting like a whinning child. Geez a little over dramatic are you.

What would you have done when Masron could only be on set for 1 day. 1 day alright. You can't film an entire movie in one day. Fox and Marvel did what they could given the actor was only available for 1 day of shooting.

If Wolverine was not at the end then who should have been? Cyclops is out of the question because he was on set for one day.

Please stop acting like a rabid fanboy ok. There is no way they could have done the Phoenix Saga and the Cure in 2 hours. The Phoenix Saga would have been at least 3 movies by itself. Still though the rabid fanboys are upset because they don;t understand simple logic.

Obviously you have no taste in movies if you think this is the worst movie since FF. Uh hello Catwoman starring Hallie Berry anyone. How about Elecktra or Batman and Robin starring George Clooney as the smiling Batman. Dude once again your being a rapid fanboy.

You must have hated x1 and x2 because they did not follow exactly God Loves, Man Kills and X-men #1 and Giant Size X-men #1.

Movies can not be done exactly like the comic books. Its called an adaptation.

Oh and last thing, Reeves was not half bad by Constantine. If you think his performance was bad you are a blind fanboy. His performance was not the greatest but a damn good performance. His apperence and acting was very good for the part of I hate everyone Constantine.

I dug X1 and X2.

You are just silly.

I would give the flick a C+ overall. There was plenty of entertainment to view it as a complete waste. I enjoyed much of it for what it was, thoroughly satisfied.

My problem is that after such strong and exceptional stories true to canon in the first two movies, why such a drop off on the third?

Everything in the first two, while obviously using creative license to help make the jump to big screen, the third went flying off the track with abandon. It's a bit of let down.

Beyond that, fuck yeh.

[THANOS/WOLVERINE]

I dug X1 and X2.

You are just silly.

I would give the flick a C+ overall. There was plenty of entertainment to view it as a complete waste. I enjoyed much of it for what it was, thoroughly satisfied.

My problem is that after such strong and exceptional stories true to canon in the first two movies, why such a drop off on the third?

Everything in the first two, while obviously using creative license to help make the jump to big screen, the third went flying off the track with abandon. It's a bit of let down.

Beyond that, fuck yeh.


It was a let down to some because Singer left so his vision now becaem soome elses. The actor who played Summers could only be on set for one day. So the storyline had to be redone to fit these accomidations. Wolverine had to become Jean's opposite, Sotrm had to get more air time and run the school and what not.

Also the first 2 were anything close to canon. The original X-men were different, the original Brotherhood were different, WOlverine's joining was different, Rogue's joining was different, Wolverine vs Deathstrike was conmpletly different, Stryker as the man behind Wolverine was different, God Loves, Man Kills was different. The movie adapted ideas from the comics to use, not use to make exactly like the comic.

If anything these are what if stories that could happen had said events happened this way instead of in the 616 universe. X3 just took it in a different direction that the comics went.

[X-Ray]

I know X3's been out a few weeks and this is my first post in weeks so I'm catching up.


I liked all the X films. But, before seeing X3 I thought X1 and X2 was held back some.

I loved X3, much better than the first 2. I think that Singer dude gets too much god treatment, without Singer the X-men now has a great movie.
I say no more Singer in X-films.

This may piss people off but I'm glad Cyclops got killed. That was a bad actor to play the character and the characters part was awful, I cheered when Jean offed that poor excuse of a Cyclops. That's what he gets for cheating on his wife in New X-men and not mourning her in Astonishing X-men. Plus, in the movie universe he won't get any Emma Frost booty.:D


I pick Krammer's Beast as the best character in any film for 2006, 10 times better than that crap they got for Superman.

Kitty Pryde verses Juggy was awesome.


The one thing I thought made X3 stand out over X1&2 is it was outside in the bright sun, in the woods, on the bay. I hate when movies use to much doom and gloom and most of the film in minimum light. I think you get more bang for you buck when you see the whole screen.

At the end I was very content. I'm not a hard core Wolverine fan but he did good in X3.

I need to re do my top 20 movie list, X3 is one of my all time favs.

[Zombienorthstar]

Bloody hell.

There should be five Stepford Cuckoo's, no? I guess these three are after they've had all the problems with the other two, but that's the LEAST of this movie's problems.

.

To quote Willow from Buffy

'Hes not a ball of sunshine'

And dude...there used to be five cukoos currently there are three. How bad is it that a movie was more up on continuity that you are?

[Affinity]

Hey...I thought the FF flick was retardedly fun...

[Mark Wallace]

... Total, utter, and complete garbage.

Don't ask me how it ends; I walked out after Magneto's pathetically scripted speech in the forest, and did something more interesting (I stood and watched a traffic light for an hour -- whoever wrote the script for the traffic light was a damned sight better at it than the cretin who wrote the script for X3).

Don't spend money on seeing this film; wait until it reaches TV -- it belongs in the Thursday early afternoon slot, so watch it when it's in its appropriate setting.

[Jake V]

wow, you're about a month and a half too late.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=126033

[Mark Wallace]

wow, you're about a month and a half too late.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=126033
I'm in Holland; they couldn't release the film earlier, here, because doing the subtitles gave fourteen different translators nervous breakdowns.

[estee]

Wow you walked out of a movie? I must applaud your convictions, Mark, to leave a movie in this day and age, as they are so expensive.

Did you get your money back?

[Mark Wallace]

Wow you walked out of a movie?
I didn't have much choice; the ham-fisted script was making me sick to my stomach.

I must applaud your convictions, Mark, to leave a movie in this day and age, as they are so expensive.

Did you get your money back?
You suggest that now? NOW?!?
Why didn't you tell me to do it yesterday???

[Zombienorthstar]

... Total, utter, and complete garbage.

Don't ask me how it ends; I walked out after Magneto's pathetically scripted speech in the forest, and did something more interesting (I stood and watched a traffic light for an hour -- whoever wrote the script for the traffic light was a damned sight better at it than the cretin who wrote the script for X3).

Don't spend money on seeing this film; wait until it reaches TV -- it belongs in the Thursday early afternoon slot, so watch it when it's in its appropriate setting.

So you judged a piece of work after seeing only half its content...

Sounds silly to me...

[Mark Wallace]

So you judged a piece of work after seeing only half its content...

Sounds silly to me...
Are you saying that the dialogue got any better, that the characters stopped talking in ridiculous sound-bitey, juvenile terms?

Or did the storytelling elevate to something higher than the Dennis the Menace level it had been wallowing in?

Or did the plot itself get any more interesting?

I sincerely doubt all of the above.

I saw more than the cover; I read half the book, before ditching it.
I ate half the apple and got sick of eating worms.
I didn't inhale (Oops! Sorry, that's something else!)

[Zombienorthstar]

Are you saying that the dialogue got any better, that the characters stopped talking in ridiculous sound-bitey, juvenile terms?

Or did the storytelling elevate to something higher than the Dennis the Menace level it had been wallowing in?

Or did the plot itself get any more interesting?


Well you wouldnt know would you? I agree the film was the worst of the franchise...however i dont criticse a mysterey book that i've only read half...because you need the whole story to judge it.

[Mark Wallace]

Well you wouldnt know would you? I agree the film was the worst of the franchise...however i dont criticse a mysterey book that i've only read half...because you need the whole story to judge it.
I don't see that as a particularly sensible comment. If you don't like a book/film/banana by the time you're half way through it, then it's extremely unlikely that you're going to like the other half.

And it's the films that are so bad that they actually make you get up and walk out that you should criticise Most.

[SlightlyMad]

Saw it last weekend & have to say I really enjoyed.

Thought Juggernaut, Beast & Kitty were all great, Angel looked cool, but wasn't on long enough to feel one way or the other about him.

There was a good mix of action & characterization. The "deaths" were handled well. I put the words in quotes as we all know about comic-book deaths & I'd already thought of a way out (Shi'ar) before we left the cinema.

I don't see there being an X4, but wouldn't be against the idea, but a Wolverine movie would be preferable.

[KittyPryde]

The "deaths" were handled well. I put the words in quotes as we all know about comic-book deaths & I'd already thought of a way out (Shi'ar) before we left the cinema.
Did you stay until the end of the credits for the extra scene?!?! It gave you some additional food for thought in that arena already...

[SlightlyMad]

Did you stay until the end of the credits for the extra scene?!?! It gave you some additional food for thought in that arena already...

Damn those sneaky after the credit bits! :evilangry
What happened?

[KittyPryde]

Damn those sneaky after the credit bits! :evilangry What happened?
Ah! Well I can fix that! It was a very short scene. My memory will get you the jist of it, but I don't guarantee any exact minute details of it (as it was quite short and I only saw it the once).

Do you remember earlier in the movie where they had the clip of Moira talking about the potential to transfer conciousness from place to place? Well, after the credits end, the scene starts up in a lab on Muir Island (I think?) with Moira walking around. One of her subjects (and I'm not sure if it was supposed to be a known entity, a random body, or what) is spread out on the table. She walks by the body and you hear Professor X's voice say "Moira?" and she turns and does a double take. End of scene. So apparently Prof X had his conciousness transferred somehow to the body on Moira's table...thus he is still alive in at least some fashion. How viable the body is (can it walk, etc.?) still remains to be seen.

Hope that helps at least a bit! Not that they'll go anywhere with that for awhile given the next planned sets of movies (still hoping for the X-youngsters movie and some returning Kitty action...)

[steve2275]

they coulda least had COLOSSUS as back up at the grey house

[Beast]

they coulda least had COLOSSUS as back up at the grey house
They probably didn't, because he wasn't an official X-Man at the time.

[Charles01]

1 was good, 2 was excellent, and X3 totally sucked; 30 minutes shorter, none sense killing of X-Men, if this is the direction for 4, I'll pass on it

X3 not even worth a DVD, I put this at the same level as Fantastic Four 2005, two bad Marvel movies in a row, not a good sign for Spider-Man 3, seems like Marvel and studios are aiming for the cheap quick buck; hopefully Sony is a little smarter than Fox

[Matthew K.]

Saw it last weekend & have to say I really enjoyed.

Thought Juggernaut, Beast & Kitty were all great, Angel looked cool, but wasn't on long enough to feel one way or the other about him.


ditto. ditto.

The best thing to come outta X3 is Ellen Page :D

[mybotisgone]

1 was good, 2 was excellent, and X3 totally sucked; 30 minutes shorter, none sense killing of X-Men, if this is the direction for 4, I'll pass on it

X3 not even worth a DVD, I put this at the same level as Fantastic Four 2005, two bad Marvel movies in a row, not a good sign for Spider-Man 3, seems like Marvel and studios are aiming for the cheap quick buck; hopefully Sony is a little smarter than Fox

Well do to the fact that X3 made more the the other two films X4 is coming out no matter what. The sad thing is you'll go to it. I hear how you say that you guys are not going to it then when it comes out the frist thing you do is go to it. you guys will go see anything that says X-men on it. There goning out with Wolverine and a Storm spin off now. And I know that you guy will see it no matter what. By the way it's 5 bad movies from Marvel. Daredevil (2003), Hulk (2003), Elektra (2005), then Fantastic Four (2005).

I would say The Punisher (2004) but the DVD sells did better then in the movie theaters.

[Charles01]

The sad thing is you'll go to it. I hear how you say that you guys are not going to it then when it comes out the frist thing you do is go to it. you guys will go see anything that says X-men on it. There goning out with Wolverine and a Storm spin off now. And I know that you guy will see it no matter what. By the way it's 5 bad movies from Marvel. Daredevil (2003), Hulk (2003), Elektra (2005), then Fantastic Four (2005).

I would say The Punisher (2004) but the DVD sells did better then in the movie theaters.
Wishful thinking on your part, X-related movies, no longer interested, it's not getting better or smarter quality wise

Daredevil was OK and so was Hulk, not perfect but acceptable, and the Punisher was cool, but X3 was not even close, all those box-office was due to the expectations from the first 2 movies, if the movie franchise had started with the last one, the whole thing would have never made it up to number 3 which was a botched up bad script all stuffed into one rushed job

As for other movies like Captain America, Thor, & Iron Man, I’m certainly going to pay attention to those, specially if it’s out of Fox hands which seem to be turning one bad Marvel movie after an other these days, like they're not willing to invest too much time in properties that don't belong to them. Marvel should give all X-Men related project at least a 5 year break and handle the next movie themselves, if not in a crossover movie event House Of M style with new X-cast, and no annoying Halle Berry