X3 Thread to Talk About it Once You've Seen It - *Spoilers!*

[bounusball75]

Well, according to Kelsey Grammer, the script, and the novel, the backstory for the movieverse Beast was that Hank and Ororo were a couple back when they were teens. Scott had Jean, Hank had Ororo. :)


That doesn't stop the ugly babies. :D THat is actually a couple I could see, I bet the sex was kinky...... but to be on Topic Kesley Grammer played best wonderfully.

[Xany Kaos]

Well, according to Kelsey Grammer, the script, and the novel, the backstory for the movieverse Beast was that Hank and Ororo were a couple back when they were teens. Scott had Jean, Hank had Ororo. :)


I got that vibe. Probably because I loved them as a couple in Ultimate.

[Cowlander]

did it bug anyone else how the creators don't know how Kitty's powers work? Juggernaut would be dead or permanently fused with that floor.
well the same thing happened when she did it in the comics. So the moviemakers didnt really go against anything.

[WolverinesSon]

This is a spoiler if you haven't seen the movie yet don't scroll down



























Juggernaut is not a mutant. So, how the hell did Leech take away his powers?? That shouldn't have worked on the Juggernaut. Am I wrong?? They also should've at least shown Proff. X aknowledging his brother in some way.

Overall an excellent movie. That was just something that bothered me.

[mattbib]

He IS a mutant in the X-Men movie canon.

[MakeshiftHero]

I just got back from seeing the movie again and I noticed a couple interesting things. Did anyone else notice that the 1st time we see Beast he has what appears to be a class graduation ring from the X-school. It's a gold ring on his left ring finger and it has a big X on the top of it. Also I love how Beast was repulsed that in order to take Magneto down he had to give him the cure and then after he gave him the cure he was disgusted with him self that he had to depower magneto in order to take him down and he threw the cartridge down and looked away in shame. Pretty cool

[smartalek]

Noone said that his powers transferred. Just his psyche. We won't know if X's new body has any powers, or if his mental powers will somehow transfer. Xavier may actually still have his powers, conisdering they do travel with him when he's in astral form in the comics. We'll have to wait and see, if and when there is an X4 to answer those questions. :)
If his powers were not transferred, how does his voice communicate with Moira?

[Beast]

He IS a mutant in the X-Men movie canon.
Nor is he likely Xavier's brother. Dealing with all the Crimson Gem and Xavier's Brother stuff would have made the movie even longer. It needed more characterization, not more explainations to please the comic fans.

[Beast]

I just got back from seeing the movie again and I noticed a couple interesting things. Did anyone else notice that the 1st time we see Beast he has what appears to be a class graduation ring from the X-school. It's a gold ring on his left ring finger and it has a big X on the top of it.
Yes, he was one of the original movieverse X-Men. That was his Xavier Institute class ring. He also notes the costume, which used to be his when he was a teenager. It's discussed a great deal more in the book.

[Beast]

If his powers were not transferred, how does his voice communicate with Moira?
Cause he has a mouth. It's Xavier's mind working the body. Concievably the vocal coords would respond to how Xavier normally speaks, given that they haven't ever been used by anyone else, since the body has never had a consciousness. You can tell it's Xavier, but it also sounds altered just a bit.

[Sean Whitmore]

Yes, he was one of the original movieverse X-Men. That was his Xavier Institute class ring. He also notes the costume, which used to be his when he was a teenager. It's discussed a great deal more in the book.


Who wrote the book, btw? Is there any mention of how Madrox was a student of Xavier's and involved with Siryn in the X2 novelization?


SEAN

[Beast]

Who wrote the book, btw? Is there any mention of how Madrox was a student of Xavier's and involved with Siryn in the X2 novelization?


SEAN
Chris Claremont, based off the X-Men 3 script. No mention of Madrox, but Callisto appearantly was a student at Xavier's school when Charles lost the use of his legs and left soon after, according to the book.

[Effect]

Didn't realize there was a novel version of the film. How different is it exactly? Better then the film, which I found to be a disappoint due to a number of things, or about the same? Any plot changes?

[Beast]

Didn't realize there was a novel version of the film. How different is it exactly? Better then the film, which I found to be a disappoint due to a number of things, or about the same? Any plot changes?
It's a lot better than the film, in my opinion. Delves into the characters more, one of the big problems with the actual movie. The book starts with Annie (Jean's childhood friend) getting hit by a car and dying as Jean's powers manifest. And Jean's trying to keep her alive desperatly, as blood is pouring out of her head and chest. The discussion of Jean's powers are more in depth, as she's on the astral plane with Annie's spirit.

There's a couple of flashbacks in the book of Scott, Hank, Jean, and Ororo as teenagers. And that is developed a great deal more, such as the relationship between Ororo and Henry. There's a few minor differences in how the fight at the Worthington Labs and such go down. Mostly it's just a lot more detailed and the characters are more well developed. Angel also doesn't just come out of nowhere, they let him come when he offers. Because his father's in danger, and such. Rogue however doesn't take the cure, that was a last minute change to the movie. At the end, Bobby and her are still together though.

[Effect]

Is Scott still treated the same way?

[Sean Whitmore]

Rogue however doesn't take the cure, that was a last minute change to the movie.


That's two Claremont novelizations in a row where the ending doesn't jive with the movie. People are gonna think he's just being contrary. ;)


SEAN

[Beast]

That's two Claremont novelizations in a row where the ending doesn't jive with the movie. People are gonna think he's just being contrary. ;)


SEAN
Not his fault. The book has to be ready before the movie is finished most of the time. Just like the ending of X2, it was a last minute change to give a major character death and set-up for X3. The script and novel both had Jean only suffering a broken leg. Since they had less time to change major elements for X3 due to the rushed production, it's a lot closer.

[Volk1]

Yes, he was one of the original movieverse X-Men. That was his Xavier Institute class ring. He also notes the costume, which used to be his when he was a teenager. It's discussed a great deal more in the book.
That's awesome to hear that Beast is considered one of the Original's. It's funny how they don't mention him in X-1 as Xavier was explaining to Wolverine about the school and about Storm, Jean, and Cyclops as the Originals.

But they didn't know if they'd ever have Beast in there I persume, let alone a X-3............:rolleyes:

Didn't realize there was a novel version of the film. How different is it exactly? Better then the film, which I found to be a disappoint due to a number of things, or about the same? Any plot changes? How could you compare the two? How can anyone compare a book and a movie stricly parallel to one another? They're both two different forms of entertainment. Sure, the book will add an indefinite amount of background info - but that's its purpose. A book has so much more wiggle room and space to work with than 1 hour and 45 minutes of expensive film.

Plus, if whatever happens in the novelization becomes movie canon, the only way we'll see that happen is in X-4 - which is hopefully in the works.

[drwho]

My second viewing review of the movie. The more I see this film the more I learn to appreciate its brilliance. This movie is alot better then what is going on in the current x-books.

I think it was brilliant how the movie is foreshadowing on the future such as when the prof. is talking about the comatose man and then he sends his mind into that body. This was a good movie and I really think the whole Dark Phoenix Saga would have been too convoluted to do it like the source material. They would have to explain the Hellfire Club and then the Shiar. It really is too much to do on one film. I think the Dark Phoenix was a good subplot cus Jean was so powerful no one could do anything against her. And as we learned from the previous movie Magneto is the big villain in these films. At first I thought the Beast was going to suck but Kelsey really pulled the character off. I also dont see why people are complaining about Angel's scenes we know he was the son of the guy and that is why the cure was made. He hasnt been trained at all so you cant expect him in fight scenes. I also think it was pretty clear that his father wanted to cure him and Angel didn't want the cure that was all the character was about in this film. I dont want some boring father son conversation. Would have liked more Scott but supposedly the actor wasnt available so they decided to work with what they had. Anyway this movie gets 2 thumbs up. The acting was great. As for the future I'd rather see a Wolverine movie before a young Magneto one. And for any whiners out there stop doing it and you all know who you are. Yall should be whinning about how bad the x-books have been lately then the movie version.

[Xany Kaos]

How about the fact that Angel flew from San Francisco to show up in New York, constribute nothing the the plot except for a reason for Storm to say "we're keeping the school open" (which could've been done with anyone else) and then flying back to San Francisco in, like, an hour.

I'm not a cannon-thumper, but the movie itself was just sloppy. I dunno, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, of course, but I think as a movie, it was just...weak. At the end of it, everything was in motion to go back to the way it had been before, with the exception of Scott being dead (and since it's Scott, really, what's the difference?).

[TheBatGotHim]

drwho-you mentioned foreshadowing. I picked up on that. I thought it was interesting that Magneto says "No needle will ever touch my skin again" and the blow that took him down was Beast hitting him with the cure by needles. ;)

[Beast]

That's awesome to hear that Beast is considered one of the Original's. It's funny how they don't mention him in X-1 as Xavier was explaining to Wolverine about the school and about Storm, Jean, and Cyclops as the Originals.

But they didn't know if they'd ever have Beast in there I persume, let alone a X-3............:rolleyes:
No, he didn't mention him in X1, because he wasn't at the school at the time. Xavier never states who all the originals were, it's left open ended as to if there was more than Scott, Jean, and Ororo. Even the bio for the character on the X-3 website and the script says that he was.

[Volk1]

No, he didn't mention him in X1, because he wasn't at the school at the time. Xavier never states who all the originals were, it's left open ended as to if there was more than Scott, Jean, and Ororo. Even the bio for the character on the X-3 website and the script says that he was.

I think it comes down to him not being mentioned in X1 was that Singer or production company or writers or whoever's in charge of it just couldn't do it if he wasn't going to appear in X1. A mentioning of the Beast early on in the movie would have had viewers wondering where Beast is throughout it, unless Xavier said something "We also had an intelligent mutant here called Beast/Hank McCoy, but he's currently working else where etc".

Again, I love the fact he is an original. The brief glimpse of him an X2 was a great nod to fans. Was it something Singer would have continued in X3 if he had directed it? Ratner utilized ol' Hank, so I persume Singer would have also....

[Crimson]

Anyone got the game yet?

I've heard bad things about it but Iceman and Nightcrawlers powers look too cool to miss...

[TinMan]

Ok, so I've seen the movie twice now, once opening night and once last night... but I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about it. My movie goer side definitely thinks it was a fine, fun film through and through, but my raging fanboy side has some issues.

The good

Colossus! At least he's an actual X-Man in this one and has a couple great moments w/ the fastball special.

Jean and Professor X die. Friggin awesome, best parts of the movie in my opinion.

The action sequences were great and I loved all of the new character introductions, those cameos in themselves made the movie worth seeing twice.

Beast: absolutely awesome, Kelsey Grammar was perfect as Beast, I really couldn't have asked for more. The character portrayal and action sequences were just spectacular.

The bad

Professor X is alive in that vegetable body. One part of me kinda likes the idea that he transfered his mind there, but the other part hates the fact that now they can't even kill characters off in a friggin movie. We know they'll come back in comics, but movie death should stay permanant, his return will be hokey if its ever done... not to mention he shouldn't have telepathy since the body he transfered himself into doesn't have the extra genes/brain pieces to use telepathy... but I'm sure thats to much to hope for.

Not enough Colossus! Ok, so the dude has like, 4 scenes in the whole movie and one speaking line? Thats GARBAGE!!!! Talk about piss a mother F!@#%^ off! There should have been a knock down drag out fight between him and Juggernaut since he's the only one that can go toe to toe with him, they missed a great action sequence there.

Leech is a little white boy!! WTF? The dudes supposed to be a green skinned, bald headed kid. They could have at least made him green skinned.

I'm sure I can think of more, but this is good for now. The juries still out though for me, I may have to go see it again just to get more of a feel for it.

[WolverinesSon]

Anyone got the game yet?

I've heard bad things about it but Iceman and Nightcrawlers powers look too cool to miss...

Speaking of Nightcrawler, where was he at?

[WolverinesSon]

Ok, so I've seen the movie twice now, once opening night and once last night... but I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about it. My movie goer side definitely thinks it was a fine, fun film through and through, but my raging fanboy side has some issues.

The good

Colossus! At least he's an actual X-Man in this one and has a couple great moments w/ the fastball special.

Jean and Professor X die. Friggin awesome, best parts of the movie in my opinion.

The action sequences were great and I loved all of the new character introductions, those cameos in themselves made the movie worth seeing twice.

Beast: absolutely awesome, Kelsey Grammar was perfect as Beast, I really couldn't have asked for more. The character portrayal and action sequences were just spectacular.

The bad

Professor X is alive in that vegetable body. One part of me kinda likes the idea that he transfered his mind there, but the other part hates the fact that now they can't even kill characters off in a friggin movie. We know they'll come back in comics, but movie death should stay permanant, his return will be hokey if its ever done... not to mention he shouldn't have telepathy since the body he transfered himself into doesn't have the extra genes/brain pieces to use telepathy... but I'm sure thats to much to hope for.

Not enough Colossus! Ok, so the dude has like, 4 scenes in the whole movie and one speaking line? Thats GARBAGE!!!! Talk about piss a mother F!@#%^ off! There should have been a knock down drag out fight between him and Juggernaut since he's the only one that can go toe to toe with him, they missed a great action sequence there.

Leech is a little white boy!! WTF? The dudes supposed to be a green skinned, bald headed kid. They could have at least made him green skinned.

I'm sure I can think of more, but this is good for now. The juries still out though for me, I may have to go see it again just to get more of a feel for it.

More of THE BAD:

Juggy being a mutant and not acknowledging his half brother.

Wolverine slicing everybody and there momma up and not one drop of blood anywhere.

Collosus without a Russian accent.

Cyclops just dying suddenly because the actor needed to work on Superman.

Calypso whooping Storms head every chance she got.

Overall an excellent movie though. Don't get me wrong.

[Zombienorthstar]

Anyone got the game yet?

I've heard bad things about it but Iceman and Nightcrawlers powers look too cool to miss...


Yeah ive got the game

The Wolveirne sections are dull as hell...basically your carving up Hydra agents for the whole game.

Iceman sections are okay (depending on how enthusiastic you are for ice sliding...as thats all he does the entire game...that and put out fires)

The Nightcrawler sections are excellent...and should easily have been the entire game...its worth the price of the game alone for the boss fight between a porting Kurt and Multiple Man spitting out dupes everywhere...makes me wish it had been in the film.

The cut scenes meanwhile are hillariously bad. Rather than using some computer graphic image sof the characters or just showing lvie action of the films we get this strnage mixture. In which you egt the pcitures of the actors sort of animated in to crappy start stop animation. Which is funny as frequently Xaviers head size changes depending on which image of Patrick Stewart they have used.
However depsite the hillarity of most of the cut scenes the Nightcrawler sections are worth buying the game. As youa ctually feel like your Kurt.

[Titan76]

Speaking of Nightcrawler, where was he at?
Nightcrawler wasn't in the movie because Fox thought people might get him and Beast mix up.:rolleyes:

[TheBatGotHim]

Nightcrawler wasn't in the movie because Fox thought people might get him and Beast mix up.:rolleyes:


Which is so stupid because if you had them in the same movie fighting side by side, you would obviously see they are two different people. :rolleyes:

[Zombienorthstar]

Which is so stupid because if you had them in the same movie fighting side by side, you would obviously see they are two different people. :rolleyes:


I also heard that Singer didnt want to use Cumming again...as theyre had been friction the on the set of X2...which if trye amkes me even more angry Singer disdnt just say from the get go he wasnt going to do X3.

[Exodus]

Nightcrawler wasn't in the movie because Fox thought people might get him and Beast mix up.:rolleyes:

Stupid @£$#€¤ "$£@£$, {€$@£$$ €@${ ["¤%"#¤, $@£$@£$@ £€"¤%, "¤%"¤%%", ¤$@£$@$@£$!!!!


-Exodus :mad:

[Titan76]

I also heard that Singer didnt want to use Cumming again...as theyre had been friction the on the set of X2...which if trye amkes me even more angry Singer disdnt just say from the get go he wasnt going to do X3.
Yeah, the guy who play Nightcrawler said in a interview that he didn't like Singer but said he could still work with him. Cumming should have been in this weather Singer did it or not but I guess since he took more of Wolverine's screen time and that he look so much like Beast:confused: they couldn't have him be in the third flim. :mad:

[Zombienorthstar]

Yeah, the guy who play Nightcrawler said in a interview that he didn't like Singer but said he could still work with him. Cumming should have been in this weather Singer did it or not but I guess since he took more of Wolverine's screen time and that he look so much like Beast:confused: they couldn't have him be in the third flim. :mad:


I fidn that a phoney excuse there are lots of things they could have done instead.

a) Used human Hank.

b) used another former student as the politician just of the top of my head : Emma Frost
Polaris
Havok (this one would have made aprticular sense consdering his brothers death was key to the film)

[Brian M.]

Fuck Wolverine

[Crimson]

Yeah ive got the game

The Wolveirne sections are dull as hell...basically your carving up Hydra agents for the whole game.

Iceman sections are okay (depending on how enthusiastic you are for ice sliding...as thats all he does the entire game...that and put out fires)

The Nightcrawler sections are excellent...and should easily have been the entire game...its worth the price of the game alone for the boss fight between a porting Kurt and Multiple Man spitting out dupes everywhere...makes me wish it had been in the film.

The cut scenes meanwhile are hillariously bad. Rather than using some computer graphic image sof the characters or just showing lvie action of the films we get this strnage mixture. In which you egt the pcitures of the actors sort of animated in to crappy start stop animation. Which is funny as frequently Xaviers head size changes depending on which image of Patrick Stewart they have used.
However depsite the hillarity of most of the cut scenes the Nightcrawler sections are worth buying the game. As youa ctually feel like your Kurt.

Sounds a bit of a let down... but I'll get it for Nightcrawler. His mixture of BAMF and fighting looks great. :D

Thanks

[bounusball75]

meh, the game is ok. I just get a thrill out of it. The x men games never have seen to appeal to me enough.

[Zombienorthstar]

Sounds a bit of a let down... but I'll get it for Nightcrawler. His mixture of BAMF and fighting looks great. :D

Thanks


The rest of the game is a let down (depending on whether you enjoy laugh hysterically at cut scenes that are meant to be emotional)...Id much rather have seen a Kitty/Angel/Nightcrawler game...

But its worth ti for the Nightcrawler sections.

[Gaveedra 6]

We got to see Storm fight Calisto. TWICE!!!! My inner fanboy was made very happy.

Other great comic nods:
-Beast jabbing Magneto with the cure after Wolverine distracts him. Just like how they defeated Cassandra Nova in Xavier's body!
-Wolverine approaches Phoenix, withstanding her fiery barrage. Just like how he withstood Storm's lightning in Asgardian Wars.

My only prob was the "doing away" with Cyclops. Not that I really missed him. I just thought it could have been handled better, without it seeming like his character wsa so abruptly written out. But he was leaving to be in Superman anyway. Traitor! :evilangry

[Beast]

More of THE BAD:

Juggy being a mutant and not acknowledging his half brother.
Movieverse Juggy is a mutant and most likely isn't Xavier's Half Brother. Just like Ultimate Juggy.
Wolverine slicing everybody and there momma up and not one drop of blood anywhere.
It's a PG-13 film. There wasn't a lot of blood in X-2 either, when he was doing the same thing. Easy way of no-prizing it away. The Adamantium claws are so sharp that they cut thru the limbs without getting any blood on them.
Collosus without a Russian accent.
Movieverse Colossus may be Russian-American, hence not having a thick accent.
Cyclops just dying suddenly because the actor needed to work on Superman.
Ah well, concessions had to be made. Just be glad that Famke didn't get cast in Superman Returns. She was originally supposed to play the repowered female Kryptonian Ursa. But they decided to hold off bringing them back.
Calypso whooping Storms head every chance she got.
What's wrong with that? You like the comics, and Storm and Callisto had a comic rivalry. Seems you want Juggy to not be a mutant and be Xavier's Half Brother cause it was true in the comics, but don't want this canon nod.

[Vaders shoeshine boy]

Like the title says,which mutants were improved from their comic and cartoon counterparts and which ones were not? Also,which mutant stayed closest to the original description?

[Xany Kaos]

Drives me nuts that everyone seems to be whinging about Juggy not being a mutant/related to Charles, when no one's complaining that Mystique obviously isn't Nightcrawler's mother.
Juggy being the way he was is one of the few things that doesn't bother me about the movie. I liked the way they handled him.

...and with the lack of Toad, at least someone has a British accent (well, there's debate with my friends as to whether it's Australian or British...I dunno...)

We got to see Storm fight Calisto. TWICE!!!! My inner fanboy was made very happy.

Did anyone actually recognize that girl as being Callisto without reading the credits or something? They did nothing to reference the character visually or verbally. C'mon, an eye-patch...not that hard...

[Dos]

angel has to fly at like mach 10. He got all the way from new york to san fran almost as fast as the jet. all the mutants lined up outside for the cure, looked comepletely normal. None of them would want the cure.

Cyclops died and no one cared. that part is awesome. cyclops is the lamest tool ever.

beast was awesome

colosus is inhuman strong whether metal or not.

jean grey thing made no sense as to why she was so important but wasnt. It was a good idea to not have a god inside her. I like the idea of her being blocked from her real powers. But the storyline didnt develope. it was used to kill xavier and then it just dropped off just like cyclops death.

im the juggernaut bitch= about time they listen to fans and add awesome stuff like that.

[Dos]

Did anyone actually recognize that girl as being Callisto without reading the credits or something? They did nothing to reference the character visually or verbally. C'mon, an eye-patch...not that hard...


I completely agree. If they didnt have the poster for Callisto, I wouldnt know who that was. Her powers werent even really the same. It didnt make a whole lot of sense.

[Gaveedra 6]

Did anyone actually recognize that girl as being Callisto without reading the credits or something? They did nothing to reference the character visually or verbally. C'mon, an eye-patch...not that hard...
That's true. I knew she was Calisto, but she was never named out loud. They at least called Arclight by name. But I thought the interpretation of Calisto was cool. Fast, fierce, and with a tracking ability. Those ARE her powers. The movie just interpreted them in a very over-the-top way, making her more like Caliban and Quicksilver.

[Tommy]

Why did they name it X-men III: The Last Stand instead of X-Men III: Wolverine and Storm?

If you are going to have the five original X-men in a movie can't they have at least one scene together?

[Deus ex Chris]

If you are going to have the five original X-men in a movie can't they have at least one scene together?

Why? It confounds me when people put the original five on a pedestal. When the comic featured them exclusively, it was cancelled.

[Magneto_X]

Pheonix and Juggernaut were definitely downgraded.

Most live-action movie/tv counter-parts are usually downgraded due to budget and/or story restraints.

The only exception to this was Blade. Didn't take long for Marvel to replace him with a virtual doppleganger of the movie version in the comics.

[Jake V]

Why did they name it X-men III: The Last Stand instead of X-Men III: Wolverine and Storm?

If you are going to have the five original X-men in a movie can't they have at least one scene together?
I'm sure the studio would have loved to completely subvert the plot of the movie for the sake of pleasing a few nerds.

Really, I have no idea why the original 5 never appeared on screen together.

[Beast]

I'm sure the studio would have loved to completely subvert the plot of the movie for the sake of pleasing a few nerds.

Really, I have no idea why the original 5 never appeared on screen together.
It would have been a nice shout out, but it wasn't necessary.

It wouldn't feel logical in the context of the actual movie. The best shout-out to the Original Five as a group I've ever seen was in X-Men: Evolution, in the episode 'Under Lock and Key'. Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Angel, and Iceman as a team with Xavier after one half of one of the keys to release Apocalypse. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

Really, I have no idea why the original 5 never appeared on screen together.


It would've been impossible, frankly. Cyclops was dead and Jean was nuts within the first ten minutes of the movie.

They did do the best they could, though, with Hank and Bobby in the room when Warren arrived.


SEAN

[Zombienorthstar]

It would've been impossible, frankly. Cyclops was dead and Jean was nuts within the first ten minutes of the movie.

They did do the best they could, though, with Hank and Bobby in the room when Warren arrived.


SEAN


Did anyone actually care that they werent for me it would have felt extremely forced....

[Uncle Nobs]

I'm sure the studio would have loved to completely subvert the plot of the movie for the sake of pleasing a few nerds.

Really, I have no idea why the original 5 never appeared on screen together.
Kind of an extreme response, Jake, considering all the other fan-favorite moments the filmmakers crammed in.

If it had been a different movie, where Cyke wasn't unceremoniously dumped in the first 20 minutes and it didn't turn into a Logan/Jean love story, it would have been nice to include a scene like this. It wouldn't even have been difficult. During the big climax, Wolverine, Storm, Kitty, and Colossus are all focused on the brotherhood. Meanwhile, Cyke, Iceman, Beast, & Angel face off against Jean. It's their first time all teaming up together and their stategy is all quickly improvised, but they discover their powers are all very complimentary and their initial salvo proves surprisingly effective. There's a dramatic beat as they're a bit stunned at how well it all came together and they all kind of look at each other like, "Huh... that was, uh... kinda cool!" And then the battle resumes.

No big deal. Just a nice moment to recognize these characters' connections and roots in X-lore. Obviously not necessary, but a nice shout-out.

[Jake V]

Kind of an extreme response, Jake, considering all the other fan-favorite moments the filmmakers crammed in.
I drank a mountain dew today, I can't help it.

[Sean Whitmore]

I drank a mountain dew today, I can't help it.


Your mountain dew sucks because it wasn't a mutant or Xavier's brother. ;)


SEAN

[Uncle Nobs]

You're not the only one who believes in extremes, Jake:

http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=780

[Jottma]

Beast, I noticed you purchased the movie novelization, so I was wondering if you could do me a favor by listing all references of Scott in the novelization.
I'm sure there can't be many due to how badly he has been portrayed in the past within both the movie and novel mediums. I have got to tell you it has been rough witnessing the total lack of respect my favorite character has been experiencing on the big screen. Thanks in advance if you could do this for me.

[Beast]

Beast, I noticed you purchased the movie novelization, so I was wondering if you could do me a favor by listing all references of Scott in the novelization.
I'm sure there can't be many due to how badly he has been portrayed in the past within both the movie and novel mediums. I have got to tell you it has been rough witnessing the total lack of respect my favorite character has been experiencing on the big screen. Thanks in advance if you could do this for me.
Scott's mindset about the loss of Jean is focused on a bit more, since you can't have thought bubbles or narration in the films. They also talk a bit more about what happens to Scott when Jean returns at Alkali lake. She didn't intend to kill him, like she did to Xavier. Scott realizes that her primal passions are killing him, but he doesn't fight back. He just embraces it, gives into Jean because he loves her. There's also a few flashbacks of Scott, Jean, Hank, and Ororo as teenagers.

[DDM]

Why? It confounds me when people put the original five on a pedestal. When the comic featured them exclusively, it was cancelled.


However, the original X-Men sold very well as X-Factor in 1986-1991 before they officially rejoined the X-Men in X-Men #1 (second series).

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/97452433904.1.GIF
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[bounusball75]

ahhh the Nostalga(sp)

[nervmeister]

The Human Torch was strong enough even in the film to reach supernova temperatures.

[Sean Whitmore]

ahhh the Nostalga(sp)


Yeah, nothing wrong with the original team, it's just that the stories...y'know, sucked.


SEAN

[Legato]

Rogue got downgraded in a pathetic way. Even more than Evolution's Rogue.

[Beast]

Yeah, nothing wrong with the original team, it's just that the stories...y'know, sucked.


SEAN
I wouldn't say that. The Stan Lee ones weren't that good, but after that the stories got really good. Sales in fact were going up, when the original book was cancelled, that's why they decided to start doing reprints with #67 forward. And yes, X-Factor made them very popular again.

[Zombienorthstar]

Yeah, nothing wrong with the original team, it's just that the stories...y'know, sucked.


SEAN



The orginal team is incredibly well balanced actually...

It could still work as a team now to be honest.

I say bring em back with Emma Frsot instead of Jean.

[Sean Whitmore]

I wouldn't say that. The Stan Lee ones weren't that good, but after that the stories got really good. Sales in fact were going up, when the original book was cancelled, that's why they decided to start doing reprints with #67 forward. And yes, X-Factor made them very popular again.


I haven't read that many, so it's possible I just got a bad sampling.


SEAN

[Zeta]

I don't ever remember Rogue using her powers in a useful way, except maybe to heal her wounds. Really, really sucky version of Rogue. I never thought I'd see a version more emo than the Evo Rogue.

[Alan2099]

Callisto got upgraded.

[Beast]

I haven't read that many, so it's possible I just got a bad sampling.


SEAN
The Stan Lee stories are without a doubt, the weakest ones. Stan had a great idea, just didn't present it all that well at first. It took others to make the book fresh and different. Stan never held an attachment to the X-Men as he did Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four. Hell, the X-Men when they started out were almost clones of the FF in personality. Beast was even written like The Thing. He had no real personality of his own, til Stan decided to make the Big Lug of the team, the most intelligent and well spoken of the five.

[Sean Whitmore]

The Stan Lee stories are without a doubt, the weakest ones. Stan had a great idea, just didn't present it all that well at first.


Yeah, carnies taking over the school wasn't very inspired. :)

Thirty years later, Xavier's crippling is always danced around, since it was done by such a crap villain.

In fact, I've always felt it just a tad disingenuous that Stan constantly does interviews about how the X-Men were allegories for racism, and the comparing Xavier/Magneto with King/Malcolm X...when really, all of that stuff was developed after he left.


SEAN

[Legato]

I don't ever remember Rogue using her powers in a useful way, except maybe to heal her wounds. Really, really sucky version of Rogue. I never thought I'd see a version more emo than the Evo Rogue.

While Evo Rogue was whiney she atleast did something in that series. With the exception of healing herself and saving the police from Pyro in X-2 all she didn't actually fought anyone or use her powers to her fullest.

Kitty Pryde did more with her powers in X-3 and handled herself well against Juggernaut.

[Legato]

Callisto got upgraded.

How so?????

[Beast]

Yeah, carnies taking over the school wasn't very inspired. :)

Thirty years later, Xavier's crippling is always danced around, since it was done by such a crap villain.

In fact, I've always felt it just a tad disingenuous that Stan constantly does interviews about how the X-Men were allegories for racism, and the comparing Xavier/Magneto with King/Malcolm X...when really, all of that stuff was developed after he left.


SEAN
That's why Xavier's second crippling was done by someone with some actual development as being a real badass villain, the Shadow King. I actually almost prefer Ultimate X-Men's version of how X was cripped, due to Magneto. Gives them a more personal vendetta against each other. I wonder why Stan never thought of that? Didn't know Magneto would end up being such a well loved character, or what. Oh well.

And I agree. While the whole idea of them being hated and feared as an allegories for racism and the fight for civil rights was there from the beginning, it wasn't really played with nearly as well as when CC did his incredible 17 year run. Sure there was some of that, such as Beast and Iceman nearly being lynched by a mob when Hank had to reveal his powers in his public persona to save a kid.

[Alan2099]

She got super speed and the ability to track mutants and tell how powerful they were.

[Sean Whitmore]

That's why Xavier's second crippling was done by someone with some actual development as being a real badass villain, the Shadow King.


Yeah, but when you start getting into his second crippling and his third crippling (finally by Magneto, kinda), the entire concept of him being in a wheelchair is diminished.

I actually almost prefer Ultimate X-Men's version of how X was cripped, due to Magneto. Gives them a more personal vendetta against each other. I wonder why Stan never thought of that? Didn't know Magneto would end up being such a well loved character, or what. Oh well.


I definitely prefer the Ultimate crippling (boy, that sounds wrong :) ). I'm actually quite surprised they didn't adapt it for X3.

As far as Stan not thinking of it, I don't even think Stan revealed that Charles and Magneto were ever friends. Magneto was really just a cackling villain, right out of the Doctor Doom reject pile.


SEAN

[Will.S]

angel has to fly at like mach 10. He got all the way from new york to san fran almost as fast as the jet. all the mutants lined up outside for the cure, looked comepletely normal. None of them would want the cure.
I'm assuming he just rode in with the rest of them in the Blackbird.

[Cyke]

Yeah. In the comics, all she had were slightly superhuman strength, agility, and senses.

[Beast]

I'm assuming he just rode in with the rest of them in the Blackbird.
He does in the novel, it makes a lot more sense. It also developed Warren's character quite a bit more. But that's not how it's presented or plays out in the film.

[Zeta]

Yeah, in the comics, she was just above peak human.

[Jottma]

Beast thank you so much for the quick response, it was very helpful. I will not be purchasing this book because I realized that I don't have to spend money on products that I am not completely happy with. I have purchased so many X-Men related items simply because they had the potential to feature my favorite character but he almost always ends up getting shit on, its horrible. I can't believe I could be so hard headed for so long about all this.

[Jottma]

I'd guess that Cyclops got downgraded in the movie, because I bet if he had been featured in the Danger Room fight with the Sentinel, he probably wouldn't have been able to take down that Sentinal. This is such crap considering he practically had to take down a Sentinal by himself in Astonishing.

[Cyke]

I'd guess that Cyclops got downgraded in the movie, because I bet if he had been featured in the Danger Room fight with the Sentinel, he probably wouldn't have been able to take down that Sentinal. This is such crap considering he practically had to take down a Sentinal by himself in Astonishing.

Well, he *was* supposed to be there, not Wolverine. It sort of makes me wonder if Cyclops had designed the program himself.

But eh. Judging from the way he blasted the ceiling off of the train station back in X1, I'd say Cyclops is about on par compared to everyone else's comic-to-movie transition.

What I *didn't* like, though, was that Magneto basically crapped his pants while Jean and Prof X fought. Sure, Magneto wanted to control her, but in the comics, Magneto's the only non-cosmic to beat the Phoenix. And he did it twice. He may have feared her power, but he never backed down from it, either.

[AnthonyJ]

angel has to fly at like mach 10. He got all the way from new york to san fran almost as fast as the jet.
What makes you think Angel was ever in New York? I don't recall any scenes with him that didn't seem to be in SF.

[Zengei]

What makes you think Angel was ever in New York? I don't recall any scenes with him that didn't seem to be in SF.
He walked into the X-Mansion during that scene where Storm and Beast were talking about closing the school.

[Magneto_X]

But eh. Judging from the way he blasted the ceiling off of the train station back in X1, I'd say Cyclops is about on par compared to everyone else's comic-to-movie transition.


But he lacks comic Cyke's peak optic blasts (which can level mountains with ease) and has next to no leadership ability and lacks charisma. Even Fox's animted version of Scott had these traits.

[Magneto's_Servant]

Hey, what would you say is better? The movie or the comics that the movie was based on?

[Beast]

Hey, what would you say is better? The movie or the comics that the movie was based on?
In regards to both X2 and X3, the comics are better. Simply because 'God Loves, Man Kills', 'The Dark Phoenix Saga', and 'Gifted' have a lot better and more depth of storyline and characterization. :)

[Sean Whitmore]

Hey, what would you say is better? The movie or the comics that the movie was based on?


Apples and oranges. The mediums are too different to compare.


SEAN

[Xany Kaos]

He walked into the X-Mansion during that scene where Storm and Beast were talking about closing the school.


Which was so pointless (Angel showing up, not the scene).

[jaguarshark]

Originally posted by Sean Whitmore
Yeah, carnies taking over the school wasn't very inspired.

Dude, I freakin' love that issue. I read it just the other day in an Essential, I hadn't read it since I got rid of some of my dodgy 90s reprint comics ages ago. That issue, for me, is the one where the personalities of the characters begin to really be developed. Page 16 (I think), spotlighting the Beast, laid down all the foundations (except for the fur, obviously) that made the Beast one of my favourite characters.

Yes, the X-Men fought carnies. That strikes me as awesome, for some reason, but different strokes for different folks.

I don't think Magneto was really a simple "cackling villain", though. Stan may not have had his backstory in mind yet, but from what I've read, you don't have to try too hard to fit it in there. He clearly states that he does what he does because if he didn't, the humans would do the same to him. Is he over-zealous about that? Sure, but that's what makes him Magneto.
He was abused by the Nazis, and following that horrible cycle, abuse just leads to more abuse. Again, Stan didn't know that yet, but it was clear that something had happened to Magneto to make him so 'evil'.

[tetragene]

I kinda wished Cyclops was able to be a little more involved in what happened. He definitely got the shaft in X2 and X3. It seemed odd that he was killed and then nobody seemed to really care.

Psylocke was utterly and completely wasted. She's in all of two scenes, her powers were lame (I assume that were trying to portray her "shadow teleport" powers). They should have just added another lame, filler mutant (because let's face it, that's what Arclight and Quill are) instead of adding Psylocke...just for her to have all of two lines, a lame power scene, and get vaporized. Meh, goth-looking Psylocke with horrible hair makes me a sad Panda...and she's never even been a favorite of mine, lol. It doesn't really matter if this is the last movie, but if it isn't it ruins a perfect opportunity for her to show up or cameo. But if this is the last movie...it doesn't change the fact they she looked lame and had a lame power scene ;P

I thought Famke did a great job. I like her anyway, but she's definitely made Jean a likable character for me (considering I despise all-that's-Jean in the comics). The facial expression and "look" of the Dark Pheonix's face was really scarey and creepy. I wish they would have done more with her though. She wasn't played up as this all-powerful extremely evil persona until the very last battle.

Hugh Jackman, Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart once again prove that they were cast perfectly for their roles.

Ellen Page did an excellent job as Shadowcat. Kitty's never been a favorite of mine either, but she made me like the character.

Rogue--while I like Anna Paquin, I have never cared for her as Rogue. Rogue just isn't really Rogue without that charmin' southern drawl. Rogue was also wasted in this movie.

Halle did a better job playing Storm than the previous two movies...but there were still several actresses who could have been the "perfect" Storm. Like with Anna Paquin, I like Halle Berry but she just didn't come off as Storm. I didn't like that Storm was suddenly shifted into this "take charge" and "no compassion for Jean" character when there wasn't an inkling of that in previous movies. She didn't seem to have any feeling or remorse about what was happening to Jean...someone she had been around since the X-Men were formed.

Colossus...had one line, right? The guy looks the part, at least.

Rebecca Romijn completely owned every scene Mystique was in. I had teenagers and women in their late 30's behind me talking about how cool and badass Mystique was.

Multiple Man...obviously did not give me the "pants creaming" reaction that he gave a lot of you. His one-liners did not make me laugh and I wasn't overjoyed to see him (he was always a "take or leave" character for me though). He was a good cameo, just not...the most exciting or "OMG" one.

Quill was lame. Why exactly wasn't he considered a "pawn"? Other than killing Dr. Roa (I really don't know why but for some reason I was hoping she wouldn't get killed off) he didn't do much.

if this was going to be the last X-Men movie then I think there could have been better cameos (since if they were going to be killed off it wouldn't matter since there'd be no more movies).

Overall I enjoyed the movie. Parts could have been imrpoved and certain things could have been added, but overall...yeah, I enjoyed it.

[AceOfSpades]

In regards to both X2 and X3, the comics are better. Simply because 'God Loves, Man Kills', 'The Dark Phoenix Saga', and 'Gifted' have a lot better and more depth of storyline and characterization. :)
I'l agree on dark phoenix and gifted, but I've never actually read GLMK 1 so I can't compare it to X2:D

[Beast]

I'l agree on dark phoenix and gifted, but I've never actually read GLMK 1 so I can't compare it to X2:D
Shame on you. Everyone should read 'God Loves, Man Kills'. :)

[Cyke]

But he lacks comic Cyke's peak optic blasts (which can level mountains with ease) and has next to no leadership ability and lacks charisma. Even Fox's animted version of Scott had these traits.

About the power (which is what Jottma and I were strictly talking about, not about how the character is mistreated), you're going to have to expect a power drop in a comic-to-movie transition. Prof. X needed Cerebro to scan the planet (something he can already do in the comics), Storm was reduced to punching out Callisto (comic Storm would've frozen her in place), and the Phoenix Force didn't feed on a star (which would destroy a solar system).

As for Scott's leadership ability and charisma, sadly the only times we saw that were in the first movie (when everyone complained that Storm, not Cyclops, had too little screentime). In X2 and 3, it was always implied that Cyclops was the next guy in command, and that Prof X had wanted Cyclops to become headmaster until Jean's death shook him up on the inside. Unfortunately, he's been treated like crap in the last two movies that any good redeeming qualities about him in the first movie (ie the back-and-forth rivalry between him and Logan) are wiped out from memory.

[Xany Kaos]

I liked Multiple Man, but for some reason, he reminded me of Bruce Campbell--so campy.

[Sean Whitmore]

Yes, the X-Men fought carnies. That strikes me as awesome, for some reason, but different strokes for different folks.


I might've felt differently if the carnies hadn't WON. :) The image of Iceman being held at bay by a flaming log hanging from a tree just never went away.


He clearly states that he does what he does because if he didn't, the humans would do the same to him.


You may be right, but I haven't read any of those old stories where he made such claims. From what I remember (which admittedly isn't as much as some), his rhetoric back in the day was more "mutants deserve to rule because we're better" than "kill them before they kill us."


SEAN

[jaguarshark]

Originally posted by Sean Whitmore
From what I remember (which admittedly isn't as much as some), his rhetoric back in the day was more "mutants deserve to rule because we're better" than "kill them before they kill us."

It was a bit of both, I think. You make a good point, that they seemed to highlight the "mutant superiority" angle more than anything else (which I still find interesting, given what we now know of the character's background), but he was also big into the "kill them before they kill us" rhetoric. In one issue (#5?), he starts in on the "humans want to kill you" thing again, and Quicksilver's heard it so often he basically waves him off with a "and you never let us forget that, do you?" sort of comment.

[Sean Whitmore]

It was a bit of both, I think. You make a good point, that they seemed to highlight the "mutant superiority" angle more than anything else (which I still find interesting, given what we now know of the character's background), but he was also big into the "kill them before they kill us" rhetoric. In one issue (#5?), he starts in on the "humans want to kill you" thing again, and Quicksilver's heard it so often he basically waves him off with a "and you never let us forget that, do you?" sort of comment.


Yeah, Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch were godsends back then, as they were the only mutants we ever saw (or were told about) being persecuted. :)


SEAN

[Uncle Nobs]

Shame on you. Everyone should read 'God Loves, Man Kills'. :)
Probably worth mentioning it was Claremont's attempt at creating a springboard for an X-Men movie, too.

[Uncle Nobs]

Just to clear up any lingering confusion...



This is Lance Gibson, the guy with the spikes coming out of his wrists that fought Wolverine in the woods. The credits list him as Spike. (Not Omega Red, not Marrow.)
http://bjj.org/susumu/ufc29-20001216/images/susumu07.jpghttp://www.ufighting.com/images/profiles/lancegibson.jpg



This is Ken Leung, who is credited as Kid Omega. (Not Quill(s), not Spike.)
http://film.wp.pl/f/prev/man/o0005570.jpg



This is Vince Murdocco, credited as Omega Red. I have no idea where he was in the movie or what he looked like.
http://www.vincemurdocco.com/assets/vince(HSHOT).jpg



Can anyone remember which members of the Brotherhood/Omega Gang were killed? I think it was Arclight, Fake-Psylocke, and Fake-Kid Omega (Ken Leung) that got fried by Phoenix, but I can't remember.

[Jake V]

This is Vince Murdocco, credited as Omega Red. I have no idea where he was in the movie or what he looked like.
http://www.vincemurdocco.com/assets/vince(HSHOT).jpg
I think he might be the guy who kept regrowing his arms after Wolverine cut them off.


Can anyone remember which members of the Brotherhood/Omega Gang were killed? I think it was Arclight, Fake-Psylocke, and Fake-Kid Omega (Ken Leung) that got fried by Phoenix, but I can't remember.
I could be wrong, but I think Storm might have fried Callisto to death. It was never really confirmed. There were many others that never got named or had onscreen deaths.

[Wesley Dodds]

I loved it. I completely disagree with the reviews that said it was only good as a popcorn action flick -- there were deep themes.

It look liberal viewers and put them on the other side of the "pro-life" barricade, which was done fairly well.

I thought Beast was fantastic.

I thought Dark Phoenix needed to do more -- the major flaw in the story was that she was backgrounded a bit too much.

And: that was Omega Red? That was Psylocke? You're kidding.

[The Fury]

And: that was Omega Red? That was Psylocke? You're kidding.
That wasn't them. It is proven by the fact they were not named in the movie once. So we just saw people who had power.

One just happened to be asian and have a purple bit of hair...that doesn't say Psylocke to me. That says random person who has a bit of purple in her hair.

Psylocke needs to have TK or TP (TP prefered) and have an ENGLISH accent....don't care what body she is in, just and english accent.


And I never even saw Omega Red...

[AngelX]

Hi All,

I was reading the other forum on X3, and it occured to me a possible way to improve the jerkiness of the story arc. If you had the power to edit the film what would you do?

Here's my thoughts:

- Rogue's powers arc.
.. I think I would have had Rogue leave and have her powers stripped almost as soon as the cure was announced,so early in teh movie then before the Xmen leave for the battle, have bobby run into her in the dorms, insert a small amount of "physical (kissing/hugging)" romance there, but bobby has to rush off to save the planet.... After the final battle, back in the dorms, have bobby and Rogue holding hands looking out the windows at the grave sites, then have her powers start to re-activate..she ices over the window...

- Colossus (Anywhere)
.. Add a damn russian accent. Final Battle...have him and Juggie punch it out for a few scenes at Alcatraz, deadlock them in a strength battle. Have it so Magneto throws Colossus through a wall to end the deadlock. Once the deadlock is broken then Magneto sends Juggie after leech.

Calisto/Caliban/Quicksilver Merge mutant
.. Just shoot her and be done with it /sigh Ok, remove the omega tats from everyone, give her Caliban powers after Apocalypse mucked with him, at least that would remove the superspeed. the fighting I can forgive..and just call it Caliban.

Cyclops
.. filming schedules be damned, he should have been there in to kill jean. Instead of mysteriously no longer existing, have logan use his tracking abilities and find him beaten up and in a telepathic coma, at least then he would have existed in the movie with a reason to not be there for most of it. Have him revive/awaken during prof X's death (No! do not think Prof X enters Cyclop's mind) blowing off the roof of the hospital/mansion and how ever many levels underground he was. Have him enter the fray with another jet halfway through the battle, he brings angel with him. Magneto sees another Xjet, dissassemble sit in mid flight, Angel saves Cyke, Cyke does a fancy mutli bounce optic beam on the front row of Magneto's army, switch to Dark Phoenix face shot..watch the drama unfold as the Jean persona starts to struggle free from Phoenix's grasp... back to the main battle...same as was portrayed basically, with Scott doing the walk up to Phoenix, yes I know there won't be the cool healing scenes, but that doesn't mean Logan couldn't attack her from a different side as a distraction...until Cyke gets to the top of the hill...

- Jean
.. She should have sacrificed herself at the end, kinda like X2, picture her talking to Cyke on the top and then using her powers to extract Logans claws and throw him at her, she's facing and battling Scott and uses her telekinetics to push Logans claws through her back, they poke out her chest, she dies, logan is shocked/mad Cyke does his anguish thing.....

- Magneto
.. Still think he should have caught all the cars when they were talking to teenage jean...That would have shocked her a bit at that age. But in all he did well.

Ok, tired of typing....what do you think? What would you have changed if you could?:D

[Zombienorthstar]

Hi All,

I was reading the other forum on X3, and it occured to me a possible way to improve the jerkiness of the story arc. If you had the power to edit the film what would you do?

Here's my thoughts:

- Rogue's powers arc.
.. I think I would have had Rogue leave and have her powers stripped almost as soon as the cure was announced,so early in teh movie then before the Xmen leave for the battle, have bobby run into her in the dorms, insert a small amount of "physical (kissing/hugging)" romance there, but bobby has to rush off to save the planet.... After the final battle, back in the dorms, have bobby and Rogue holding hands looking out the windows at the grave sites, then have her powers start to re-activate..she ices over the window...




i want to see this section...itd be great.

[Blackcat]

Oh great, a new X-3 thread, we didn't have any before.

[Coheed and Cambria]

Hi All,

I was reading the other forum on X3, and it occured to me a possible way to improve the jerkiness of the story arc. If you had the power to edit the film what would you do?

Here's my thoughts:

- Rogue's powers arc.
.. I think I would have had Rogue leave and have her powers stripped almost as soon as the cure was announced,so early in teh movie then before the Xmen leave for the battle, have bobby run into her in the dorms, insert a small amount of "physical (kissing/hugging)" romance there, but bobby has to rush off to save the planet.... After the final battle, back in the dorms, have bobby and Rogue holding hands looking out the windows at the grave sites, then have her powers start to re-activate..she ices over the window...

- Colossus (Anywhere)
.. Add a damn russian accent. Final Battle...have him and Juggie punch it out for a few scenes at Alcatraz, deadlock them in a strength battle. Have it so Magneto throws Colossus through a wall to end the deadlock. Once the deadlock is broken then Magneto sends Juggie after leech.

Calisto/Caliban/Quicksilver Merge mutant
.. Just shoot her and be done with it /sigh Ok, remove the omega tats from everyone, give her Caliban powers after Apocalypse mucked with him, at least that would remove the superspeed. the fighting I can forgive..and just call it Caliban.

Cyclops
.. filming schedules be damned, he should have been there in to kill jean. Instead of mysteriously no longer existing, have logan use his tracking abilities and find him beaten up and in a telepathic coma, at least then he would have existed in the movie with a reason to not be there for most of it. Have him revive/awaken during prof X's death (No! do not think Prof X enters Cyclop's mind) blowing off the roof of the hospital/mansion and how ever many levels underground he was. Have him enter the fray with another jet halfway through the battle, he brings angel with him. Magneto sees another Xjet, dissassemble sit in mid flight, Angel saves Cyke, Cyke does a fancy mutli bounce optic beam on the front row of Magneto's army, switch to Dark Phoenix face shot..watch the drama unfold as the Jean persona starts to struggle free from Phoenix's grasp... back to the main battle...same as was portrayed basically, with Scott doing the walk up to Phoenix, yes I know there won't be the cool healing scenes, but that doesn't mean Logan couldn't attack her from a different side as a distraction...until Cyke gets to the top of the hill...

- Jean
.. She should have sacrificed herself at the end, kinda like X2, picture her talking to Cyke on the top and then using her powers to extract Logans claws and throw him at her, she's facing and battling Scott and uses her telekinetics to push Logans claws through her back, they poke out her chest, she dies, logan is shocked/mad Cyke does his anguish thing.....

- Magneto
.. Still think he should have caught all the cars when they were talking to teenage jean...That would have shocked her a bit at that age. But in all he did well.

Ok, tired of typing....what do you think? What would you have changed if you could?:D


Hey fellow new member. Hah I also think Colossus should have had the standard Russian accent.

[AngelX]

Oh great, a new X-3 thread, we didn't have any before.
Actually it was a post on seeing how creative the community was here. I'll put you down as one of the un-creative and lazy readers. :p lol

[tetragene]

That wasn't them. It is proven by the fact they were not named in the movie once. So we just saw people who had power.

One just happened to be asian and have a purple bit of hair...that doesn't say Psylocke to me. That says random person who has a bit of purple in her hair.

Psylocke needs to have TK or TP (TP prefered) and have an ENGLISH accent....don't care what body she is in, just and english accent.


And I never even saw Omega Red...

In the credits, however, it clearly says "Psylocke". I don't recall seeing Omega Red in the credits, I did however see a "Kid Omega" (and one that was just called "Omega mutant")

[Montopolis]

Actually it was a post on seeing how creative the community was here. I'll put you down as one of the un-creative and lazy readers. :p lol
Whoah, you say lazy an un-creative like its a BAD thing.
unfortunatedly since Im unable to watch that damn movie, I cant change anything. But Id looooove to re-write the first one. because it wasnt an X-men movie, it was a Wolverine movie.

[Unkillable Cat]

About Jean's dual personality...wouldn't it have made more sense to call the other personality "Madelyne"?

Also, those X-Factor costumes are horrible. I think they alone explain why I haven't bothered reading the first 50 issues or so of X-Factor.

[fishtaco]

Hey, what would you say is better? The movie or the comics that the movie was based on?Comics > movies

[Blackcat]

Actually it was a post on seeing how creative the community was here. I'll put you down as one of the un-creative and lazy readers. :p lol


I won't say where I'll put you down (hahaha)

[The Fury]

In the credits, however, it clearly says "Psylocke". I don't recall seeing Omega Red in the credits, I did however see a "Kid Omega" (and one that was just called "Omega mutant")
If it's not named in the film, then credits are just a name attached to a character. We all know full well that the character we saw in this movie was NOT Psylocke.

[Zombienorthstar]

If it's not named in the film, then credits are just a name attached to a character. We all know full well that the character we saw in this movie was NOT Psylocke.


purple hair- asian...who else would it be?

[Uncle Nobs]

Actually it was a post on seeing how creative the community was here. I'll put you down as one of the un-creative and lazy readers. :p lol
Hi AngelX, and welcome to the boards.

We have a biiiiiiig problem around here with people creating redundant threads, especially since X3 was released. You'll find discussions just like this one are already happening in the main X3 thread, right on the front page of the X-Books forum.

There's also a thread right at the top of the first page of the X-Books forum called RULES TO READ BEFORE YOU POST FOR THE FIRST TIME! (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=419) (in all-caps, just like that). Please take the time to read it.

Just like the other poster, Blackcat, who advised you on this, I don't say it just to be snarky towards you. I say it only because we have a real problem around here, and we need everyone to pay more attention to this rule.

Okay, so all lectures aside, I really do welcome you to the boards. You'll like it here. We're not usually this stuffy as long as everyone plays by the rules. :)



EDIT: I've just copied your original post into the main X3 thread so that we can continue this discussion over there, and so that everyone who is already using that thread can also get involved.

Please everyone, do not post further in this thread, and hopefully Brian can either lock it or merge it so we don't run into the same problem we had this weekend. Thanks.

[Zombienorthstar]

And the KER-AZY thing is you amde some decent points but because you insulted some board veterans theyre unlikely to get agknowledged now.

[The Fury]

purple hair- asian...who else would it be?
Random purple haired asian girl.

Not Psylocke.

[Uncle Nobs]

Hi All,

I was reading the other forum on X3, and it occured to me a possible way to improve the jerkiness of the story arc. If you had the power to edit the film what would you do?

Here's my thoughts:

- Rogue's powers arc.
.. I think I would have had Rogue leave and have her powers stripped almost as soon as the cure was announced,so early in teh movie then before the Xmen leave for the battle, have bobby run into her in the dorms, insert a small amount of "physical (kissing/hugging)" romance there, but bobby has to rush off to save the planet.... After the final battle, back in the dorms, have bobby and Rogue holding hands looking out the windows at the grave sites, then have her powers start to re-activate..she ices over the window...

- Colossus (Anywhere)
.. Add a damn russian accent. Final Battle...have him and Juggie punch it out for a few scenes at Alcatraz, deadlock them in a strength battle. Have it so Magneto throws Colossus through a wall to end the deadlock. Once the deadlock is broken then Magneto sends Juggie after leech.

Calisto/Caliban/Quicksilver Merge mutant
.. Just shoot her and be done with it /sigh Ok, remove the omega tats from everyone, give her Caliban powers after Apocalypse mucked with him, at least that would remove the superspeed. the fighting I can forgive..and just call it Caliban.

Cyclops
.. filming schedules be damned, he should have been there in to kill jean. Instead of mysteriously no longer existing, have logan use his tracking abilities and find him beaten up and in a telepathic coma, at least then he would have existed in the movie with a reason to not be there for most of it. Have him revive/awaken during prof X's death (No! do not think Prof X enters Cyclop's mind) blowing off the roof of the hospital/mansion and how ever many levels underground he was. Have him enter the fray with another jet halfway through the battle, he brings angel with him. Magneto sees another Xjet, dissassemble sit in mid flight, Angel saves Cyke, Cyke does a fancy mutli bounce optic beam on the front row of Magneto's army, switch to Dark Phoenix face shot..watch the drama unfold as the Jean persona starts to struggle free from Phoenix's grasp... back to the main battle...same as was portrayed basically, with Scott doing the walk up to Phoenix, yes I know there won't be the cool healing scenes, but that doesn't mean Logan couldn't attack her from a different side as a distraction...until Cyke gets to the top of the hill...

- Jean
.. She should have sacrificed herself at the end, kinda like X2, picture her talking to Cyke on the top and then using her powers to extract Logans claws and throw him at her, she's facing and battling Scott and uses her telekinetics to push Logans claws through her back, they poke out her chest, she dies, logan is shocked/mad Cyke does his anguish thing.....

- Magneto
.. Still think he should have caught all the cars when they were talking to teenage jean...That would have shocked her a bit at that age. But in all he did well.

Ok, tired of typing....what do you think? What would you have changed if you could?:D
I'm just bringing this post where it belongs for a newbie so he can get everyone involved in his topic. :)

[Zombienorthstar]

Random purple haired asian girl.

Not Psylocke.


you could in the same way argue that

a)rogue wasnt rogue because she didnt have ms marvels powers and didnt have mystique as foster mother

b)the juggernaut wasnt the juggernaut because he wasnt a mutant or xaviers brother

c)beast wasnt beast because his blue fur was part of his mutation.

ammendements are made to all our favourite characters...we jsut have to deal.

[The Fury]

you could in the same way argue that

a)rogue wasnt rogue because she didnt have ms marvels powers and didnt have mystique as foster mother

b)the juggernaut wasnt the juggernaut because he wasnt a mutant or xaviers brother

c)beast wasnt beast because his blue fur was part of his mutation.

ammendements are made to all our favourite characters...we jsut have to deal.
*Looks at fellow Brit with more anger*

That was not Psylocke.

[Uncle Nobs]

Random purple haired asian girl.

Not Psylocke.
I agree that they butchered her to the point that she didn't resemble Psylocke at all. As far as maintaining continuity is concerned, though, it seems that future screenwriters will have to accept Psylocke as a character that has already been introduced and killed--just the same way that they'll have to accept that Scott, Jean, Kid Omega, and Arclight are dead. To change that requires so much dodging, retconning, and time wasted from telling an efficient story that it would strain credibility in the eyes of nearly any viewer familiar with the film characters (yes, even considering never having seen Scott's body).

And please consider that when I refer to most viewers, I'm talking about audiences in general, not those comic readers who seem to be able to accept retconning characters' deaths as a daily occurrence.

[Uncle Nobs]

you could in the same way argue that

a)rogue wasnt rogue because she didnt have ms marvels powers and didnt have mystique as foster mother

b)the juggernaut wasnt the juggernaut because he wasnt a mutant or xaviers brother

c)beast wasnt beast because his blue fur was part of his mutation.

ammendements are made to all our favourite characters...we jsut have to deal.
I don't mean to gang up on you, Fury, but that's some pretty sound reasoning on Lewis' part.

[Zombienorthstar]

I don't mean to gang up on you, Fury, but that's some pretty sound reasoning on Lewis' part.


Plus she used powers that could be construed as telepathy.

[The Fury]

And please consider that when I refer to most viewers, I'm talking about audiences in general, not those comic readers who seem to be able to accept retconning characters' deaths as a daily occurrence.
Okay, this 'Psylocke' was not even named on screen. Not many people even care to look at the credits and non-fans couldn't care less who is who.

But by your logic, Hank McCoy is a normal human looking scientist (See on TV screen in X-men 2)...so...

Psylocke is alive and well and has TP powers and is British and has yet to appear in these films...end of. All they have to do is introduce a character called Betsy Braddock, who has TP, whether she has an asian body or not, have her speak in an Enlgish accent and there you have Psylocke. Not son random chick in the background who had completely the wrong powers.

[Uncle Nobs]

Plus she used powers that could be construed as telepathy.
Yeah, they could be, but it's kind of a stretch. It seemed fairly clear that she was meant to have camouflaging/invisibility powers. I think we'd be getting into more dodging or near-retconning to say otherwise.

[Zombienorthstar]

Okay, this 'Psylocke' was not even named on screen. Not many people even care to look at the credits and non-fans couldn't care less who is who.

But by your logic, Hank McCoy is a normal human looking scientist (See on TV screen in X-men 2)...so...

Psylocke is alive and well and has TP powers and is British and has yet to appear in these films...end of. All they have to do is introduce a character called Betsy Braddock, who has TP, whether she has an asian body or not, have her speak in an Enlgish accent and there you have Psylocke. Not son random chick in the background who had completely the wrong powers.


Im not saying i prefer random chick...but shes identified as Psylocke in credits...would i prefer your version? Of course i would...but that doesnt get you away from the fact that they used (and i mean that in every sense of the word) Psylocke.

[Deus ex Chris]

Psylocke is alive and well and has TP powers and is British and has yet to appear in these films...end of. All they have to do is introduce a character called Betsy Braddock, who has TP, whether she has an asian body or not, have her speak in an Enlgish accent and there you have Psylocke. Not son random chick in the background who had completely the wrong powers.
Regardless of how you want things to be, that character was, for all intents and purposes, Psylocke. I doubt she'll be reintroduced as a British telepath. Besides, the next telepathic mutant we see will be Emma Frost. I'd put money on it.

[The Fury]

I don't mean to gang up on you, Fury, but that's some pretty sound reasoning on Lewis' part.
Unnamed until credits only and completely wrong powers/character/every'bloody' thing = not Psylocke.

His resoning was good.


Im not saying i prefer random chick...but shes identified as Psylocke in credits...would i prefer your version? Of course i would...but that doesnt get you away from the fact that they used (and i mean that in every sense of the word) Psylocke.
Still not Psylocke.
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YOu know, fine, it was Psylocke. It was a character named Psylocke.


It WASN'T Betsy Braddock.

[Zombienorthstar]

Unnamed until credits only and completely wrong powers/character/every'bloody' thing = not Psylocke.

His resoning was good.


Still not Psylocke.
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YOu know, fine, it was Psylocke. It was a character named Psylocke.


It WASN'T Betsy Braddock.

That sort of denial i can get on board wth....

[Uncle Nobs]

Okay, this 'Psylocke' was not even named on screen. Not many people even care to look at the credits and non-fans couldn't care less who is who.

But by your logic, Hank McCoy is a normal human looking scientist (See on TV screen in X-men 2)...so...

Psylocke is alive and well and has TP powers and is British and has yet to appear in these films...end of. All they have to do is introduce a character called Betsy Braddock, who has TP, whether she has an asian body or not, have her speak in an Enlgish accent and there you have Psylocke. Not son random chick in the background who had completely the wrong powers.
Fury, you're just holding on a bit too tenaciously here.

By my logic, as you say, Hank really was human-looking in X2--I agree. Either he experienced his transformation between X2 & X3, or he was using an image inducer for his TV appearance. (As far as why Leech affected his appearance, we must remember that his fur IS part of his mutation. It's simply a part that needed a catalyst to manifest.)

The thing is, film continuity exists beyond just what is shown onscreen. Credits count. Interviews count. When a character is cast as so-and-so, they are playing so-and-so, regardless of how badly it's done.

If a sequel refers to President McKenna by a different name, it would certainly be a continuity error, even though they never mention his name during X2.

Or imagine if Cain's father had a role in X3. If the credits had listed him as "Xavier's stepfather", even though Chuck rolled right past Juggernaut at Jean's parents' house without acknowledging him in any way, don't you think we'd all see a glaring mistake there? "How can he be Cain's father in the movie and Xavier's stepfather in the credits," we'd ask, "but they don't even recognize each other? They didn't even explain it."

In response to your statement, "Not many people even care to look at the credits and non-fans couldn't care less who is who," I have to tell you that many non-fan friends of mine have approached me seeking info on who each character was. If they care to ask, they're going to care to remember.

I think we just have to accept that they butchered Psylocke.

[The Fury]

Fury, you're just holding on a bit too tenaciously here.

I think we just have to accept that they butchered Psylocke.
No, they created a new character called Psylocke.

Psylocke the X-man deserves better then some joke unnamed until credits position in these films, just like most of other fans would accept Havok as someone who wasn't Cyclop's brother, had no lines and had superstrength instead of his usual powers...that would never be considered as Havok even if he was named it in the credits.

As far as I am concerned Psylocke/Betsy Braddock is still to apear in these films.

[Xany Kaos]

That's kinda how I feel about Callisto.

I don't know why. I'm hardly a huge fan of hers. But it drives me nuts that, instead of actually making an effort to make the fanbase grin and go "Hey, look, there's that character we like, even if it's just quick background!" they just slap names around on characters that are the same gender and think that the fan's'll thank 'em for including a name. It doesn't even have to be the same personality or anything.

They got nationality screwed all to hell in these movies. I'm still amazed (but pleased) that Toad was British, given that Colossus is American, Juggy's...British, austrailian, I don't know what...and all the rest.

I loved it. I completely disagree with the reviews that said it was only good as a popcorn action flick -- there were deep themes.

It look liberal viewers and put them on the other side of the "pro-life" barricade, which was done fairly well.

.....

And: that was Omega Red? That was Psylocke? You're kidding.


You are right abot the movie having deep themes. Unfortunately, the execution was unfailingly horrible. You can have a story that's supposed to reflect on the deepest part of human psyche, but if the writing/art sucks or is just plain inept, then it fails. Thus, the movie, for all it's deep themes...it's still more or less a popcorn flick.

...except I see it more like Eddie Izzard's version of British cinema. *raises popcorn to mouth...pauses...lowers hand looking annoyed...has another go...gives up...*

[Xany Kaos]

Well, before he snarked off, I was gonna say that any one of those changes would've made it a heck of a better movie.


ah heck, I'll still say it.

Nice ideas... but for some reason, dweling on them only causes me pain. Ah, what could've been...

[Zombienorthstar]

They got nationality screwed all to hell in these movies. I'm still amazed (but pleased) that Toad was British, given that Colossus is American, Juggy's...British, austrailian, I don't know what...and all the rest.




the only reason toad was still british was because ray park one fot he best stuntmen/actors in the business also happened to be british.

[Novaya Havoc]

Regardless of how you want things to be, that character was, for all intents and purposes, Psylocke. I doubt she'll be reintroduced as a British telepath. Besides, the next telepathic mutant we see will be Emma Frost. I'd put money on it.

Word. Quite honestly, I have no desire to see Psylocke on the screen (same goes for Polaris and Gambit) aside from a cameo.

And I already got my Psylocke cameo; therefore, she's done.

EDIT: And for the record, this movie actually made me like Callisto. Much like X2 made me like Deathstrike.

[Montopolis]

Well, before he snarked off, I was gonna say that any one of those changes would've made it a heck of a better movie.


ah heck, I'll still say it.

Nice ideas... but for some reason, dweling on them only causes me pain. Ah, what could've been...
Its OK to cry man, and remember alcohol cures the pain.

[Zombienorthstar]

Word. Quite honestly, I have no desire to see Psylocke on the screen (same goes for Polaris and Gambit) aside from a cameo.

And I already got my Psylocke cameo; therefore, she's done.


Thats how i feel about alot of characters, i jsut want a cameo

Gambit- just a guy playing cards

Dazzler- jsut a mutant singing with funny lights

that would be enough for me...

[wingsofdamnation]

i dont know if its been brought up before and im not willing to read all 40 pages but for those who stayed to the end of the movie can you say



PROTEUS!!!!!!!!


Plus what was with psyloc??? she had every power besides her own?! she could turn invisible/ walk through walls(not sure what she did at alcatraz but it could of been either or) but she didnt have her psyknife or psi powers
my main gripe with the movie was that even though they introduced cool characters they never did anything. sure they had colloses in the the movie but he seriously didnt do anything. he threw wolverine twice and that was it. sure iceman iced up but he didnt do anything. he headbutted pyro and then thats it. juggernaut was on the better side though. he had a rather good fight scene with wolverine and then had the chase scene with kitty. i also loved that fact that they brought the juggernaut parady into the movie. same goes with dark pheonix. i loved the way she was introduced with the whole alter ego thing instead of the cosmic origin. and as cool as she was she just stood there during the war at the end. but she still gave me my pheonix fix and made me figiting in my seat because i was so jaw dropped at her killing prof x and cyclops. seriously she was scary as hell.

[Zombienorthstar]

i dont know if its been brought up before and im not willing to read all 17 pages but for those who stayed to the end of the movie can you say



PROTEUS!!!!!!!!


Why Proteus?...just because of Moira?

[jeangreydp]

I think every character was short-changed in some way in this movie.

Kri, Pyslocke was butchered. Who knows, maybe she will be re-cast and someone will do her justice, but until then it looks like Betsy has seen her big screen days.

I mean, Jean, my darling Jean. She was killed by Logan (lame) killed Scott and Xavier (lame) and didn't do nearly as much damage or mind fuck people the way she could/should have (lame)

But, I'm just gonna have to suck it up and read the comics to get the whole story of her badassery. And I suggest you do the same. Call me sometime and we can wallow in the sorrows of underutilization of our fave characters :)

[Zombienorthstar]

I think every character was short-changed in some way in this movie.

Kri, Pyslocke was butchered. Who knows, maybe she will be re-cast and someone will do her justice, but until then it looks like Betsy has seen her big screen days.

I mean, Jean, my darling Jean. She was killed by Logan (lame) killed Scott and Xavier (lame) and didn't do nearly as much damage or mind fuck people the way she could/should have (lame)

But, I'm just gonna have to suck it up and read the comics to get the whole story of her badassery. And I suggest you do the same. Call me sometime and we can wallow in the sorrows of underutilization of our fave characters :)

I lvoe the fact that the Phoenix mindf**** were reduced to whispering a persons name in their ear...'ooh, spooky'.

[Leaper Queen]

Hi AngelX, and welcome to the boards.

We have a biiiiiiig problem around here with people creating redundant threads, especially since X3 was released. You'll find discussions just like this one are already happening in the main X3 thread, right on the front page of the X-Books forum.

There's also a thread right at the top of the first page of the X-Books forum called RULES TO READ BEFORE YOU POST FOR THE FIRST TIME! (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=419) (in all-caps, just like that). Please take the time to read it.

Just like the other poster, Blackcat, who advised you on this, I don't say it just to be snarky towards you. I say it only because we have a real problem around here, and we need everyone to pay more attention to this rule.

Okay, so all lectures aside, I really do welcome you to the boards. You'll like it here. We're not usually this stuffy as long as everyone plays by the rules. :)



EDIT: I've just copied your original post into the main X3 thread so that we can continue this discussion over there, and so that everyone who is already using that thread can also get involved.

Please everyone, do not post further in this thread, and hopefully Brian can either lock it or merge it so we don't run into the same problem we had this weekend. Thanks.




I totally agree with Uncle Nobs also: It's really nuts/stupid and annoying to say bad things to posters who tell you how it works here as you did to Blackcat. AMEN


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[The Fury]

Kri, Pyslocke was butchered. Who knows, maybe she will be re-cast and someone will do her justice, but until then it looks like Betsy has seen her big screen days.

Betsy was not in this film, a character called Psylocke was.

[wingsofdamnation]

Why Proteus?...just because of Moira?
well moira for one and the person on the table looked zombified and after rereading the proteus arc in the essencial uncanny xmen all the people that he takes over look zombified. plus the whole thing with prof x talking about shifting consciencess from one person into another it kinda made sence to me. it brought me down to two conclusions. either prof x shifted his consciencess into the person or proteus just came to life. sure the first one is probably more beleivable but i think the whole movie built up to proteus after the credits

[Vegetarian Goat]

i liked the scene where you see Gambit running up to alcatraz on the bridge, trying to get dressed as he runs shouting "mes amis! mes amis! Je Le poo poo dis dat bonjour le card de energie le boomity boom!"

and then phoenix going "ugh" and destroying him for sucking. (wamp wamp)
I kid the Gambit fans. It's ok.

[Zombienorthstar]

i liked the scene where you see Gambit running up to alcatraz on the bridge, trying to get dressed as he runs shouting "mes amis! mes amis! Je Le poo poo dis dat bonjour le card de energie le boomity boom!"

and then phoenix going "ugh" and destroying him for sucking. (wamp wamp)
I kid the Gambit fans. It's ok.


Actually hes warning them about the river...(this is for you Nobs) ITS DA TIDE!

[wingsofdamnation]

i liked the scene where you see Gambit running up to alcatraz on the bridge, trying to get dressed as he runs shouting "mes amis! mes amis! Je Le poo poo dis dat bonjour le card de energie le boomity boom!"

and then phoenix going "ugh" and destroying him for sucking. (wamp wamp)
I kid the Gambit fans. It's ok.
say what??

[MythicBrawn]

Colossus got an upgrade. He is not super-strong in human form. No way would he be able to carry a large tv like that without his armor.

[Tobias March]

Well you could also say that Phoenix got an upgrade, as the movie version was not empowered/possessed/replaced by a cosmic entity, but was in fact powerful enough to disintegrate matter by herself.

Also it's interesting that between Singer and Ratner, the latter let the characters comic book style powers be givenfull reign - so Iceman 'ices up', under a torrent of fire; Storm flies for the first time and uses non-lethal lightning bolts on opponents; Wolverine survives several disintegration waves of Phoenix's. There's no pretence at realism in this film unlike its predecessors.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

MAgneto had a power upgrade, not only could he move the Goldengate Bridge, but he could also turn day into night apparantly.

[Modi]

MAgneto had a power upgrade, not only could he move the Goldengate Bridge, but he could also turn day into night apparantly.

The comic Magneto has lifted mountains ejected people into space and how do you think Asteroid m stayed in space.;)

[Cyke]

The comic Magneto has lifted mountains ejected people into space and how do you think Asteroid m stayed in space.;)

But comic Magneto never turned night into day...

Behold the power of Gandalf!

[Teitr Styrr]

Callisto was like an amalgram of her comic self, Northstar and Caliban.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

thank you cyke, somebody here finally "gets" me.

[xmanson]

A good ending would have been Scott awaking in som eplace and seeing Jean holding him, he says : "Jean?" to which she replies "My name is Madelyne".


Nobody would understand at all, but I'd have loved it.

I think Mutant Massacre woudl be a nice new movie - mutants vs. mutants, prejudice and violence among them, with the human thing out of the picture.

[tetragene]

I think Mutant Massacre woudl be a nice new movie - mutants vs. mutants, prejudice and violence among them, with the human thing out of the picture.

I think that's a good idea. They've done about all they can do with mutant/human relations in the past 3 movies. Let's see mutant-mutant relations. That would have be the perfect opporunity for a group of Morlocks. Do hideos or obviosu mutants resent the pretty or normal ones? What are the reactions to Beast being a United Nations rep? What would be the reactions of more mutants as public or popular figures in politics, movies, music, etc?

[Uncle Nobs]

Betsy was not in this film, a character called Psylocke was.

You got weird, dude. You got weird.

[Uncle Nobs]

i liked the scene where you see Gambit running up to alcatraz on the bridge, trying to get dressed as he runs shouting "mes amis! mes amis! Je Le poo poo dis dat bonjour le card de energie le boomity boom!"

and then phoenix going "ugh" and destroying him for sucking. (wamp wamp)
I kid the Gambit fans. It's ok.
You are rad, dude. You. Are. Rad.

[Brian M.]

I kept hoping that at the end of the Movie when Wolverine was struggling to get to Jean you see this optic blast hit her from the back and Cyclops would be standing there on the back of the bridge w/ his hand on the visor. Fuck Wolverine for taking his part.

[Cowlander]

why do people keep complaining about wolvie doing the deed? Hes ALWAYS the one to do it in the books. He did it during Morrisons run, he did it to Rachel. He did during pheonix endsong etc etc etc. Thats was actually a nod to the books but some of you are acting like it was just thrown out of left field suddenly.

[Cyke]

why do people keep complaining about wolvie doing the deed? Hes ALWAYS the one to do it in the books. He did it during Morrisons run, he did it to Rachel. He did during pheonix endsong etc etc etc. Thats was actually a nod to the books but some of you are acting like it was just thrown out of left field suddenly.

But the most famous and symbolic time was when Jean did it to herself, partly as redemption for all the monstrous acts she did as the Phoenix.

[Vegetarian Goat]

why do people keep complaining about wolvie doing the deed? Hes ALWAYS the one to do it in the books. He did it during Morrisons run, he did it to Rachel. He did during pheonix endsong etc etc etc. Thats was actually a nod to the books but some of you are acting like it was just thrown out of left field suddenly.

he DIDN'T do it in the Dark Phoenix saga... the one that was the template for all the other stories, and that's what's getting people upset, since it's the one that means the most to most people.

[AngelX]

ok, first off, BlackCat, Sorry. I didn't mean to be an idiot.

Montopolis "lazy an un-creative like its a BAD thing." ..:D hahahah that is a fine point /cheer

I'll check out the main X3 thread uncle Nobs, Thanks for fixing the thread.

[Cowlander]

he DIDN'T do it in the Dark Phoenix saga... the one that was the template for all the other stories, and that's what's getting people upset, since it's the one that means the most to most people.
and they would have a point IF the movie was a direct attempt at DPS but it isnt. Its a mixture of alot of different elements, borrowing the most from the IDEA of DPS and the Gifted arcs. Not direct just borrowing plot points.

[Cowlander]

But the most famous and symbolic time was when Jean did it to herself, partly as redemption for all the monstrous acts she did as the Phoenix.
Do you actually think their going to let a "all ages" movie showcase one of the main characters commiting suicide on screen and celebrating that fact by calling it heroic. Maybe in a direct to dvd release or any media that isnt as hyped and widely circulated as the movie is. Thats never going to happen with a movie the size of X3.

[YoungThanos]

I kept hoping that at the end of the Movie when Wolverine was struggling to get to Jean you see this optic blast hit her from the back and Cyclops would be standing there on the back of the bridge w/ his hand on the visor. Fuck Wolverine for taking his part.

You mean fuck Hugh Jackman and the writters who bent over for him right? Overall they just jamed an hour and 40mins together going completly against the grain of continuity to save a buck!! Juggernaut was a big disapiontment with a Austrialian accent. Holly Berry should never be Storm again Cyclopes was hosed. Angel was piontless I could go on but why bother. Fox is going to make it's money back plus more so if they do make another are input will continue to go unheard. Which is fine by me. Cuz if anything else, there's always Bootleg......

[Cowlander]

You mean fuck Hugh Jackman and the writters who bent over for him right? Overall they just jamed an hour and 40mins together going completly against the grain of continuity to save a buck!! Juggernaut was a big disapiontment with a Austrialian accent. Holly Berry should never be Storm again Cyclopes was hosed. Angel was piontless I could go on but why bother. Fox is going to make it's money back plus more so if they do make another are input will continue to go unheard. Which is fine by me. Cuz if anything else, there's always Bootleg......
This post is classic.....


I think youre overestimating the buying power of comic purists vs the mass market non comic buying public.

[Cyke]

Do you actually think their going to let a "all ages" movie showcase one of the main characters commiting suicide on screen and celebrating that fact by calling it heroic. Maybe in a direct to dvd release or any media that isnt as hyped and widely circulated as the movie is. Thats never going to happen with a movie the size of X3.

Right, because impaling a loved one on foot-long claws is always more acceptable.

Lest we forget that the Lord of the Rings, an 'all ages' movie, had Gandalf committing suicide to attain an even higher power, and that Gollum (a being who was struggling with dual identity) likewise committed suicide to gain his ultimate desire. Or, heck, the mass euthanization of the elves at the end, for that matter.

Besides, I wasn't originally arguing with you about people bitching that Logan did it. I'm just stating why, so just take a step back and chill, eh?

[Cowlander]

Right, because impaling a loved one on foot-long claws is always more acceptable.

Lest we forget that the Lord of the Rings, an 'all ages' movie, had Gandalf committing suicide to attain an even higher power, and that Gollum (a being who was struggling with dual identity) likewise committed suicide to gain his ultimate desire. Or, heck, the mass euthanization of the elves at the end, for that matter.

Besides, I wasn't originally arguing with you about people bitching that Logan did it. I'm just stating why, so just take a step back and chill, eh?
her needed to be taken out, is alot more palletable than suicide for most of the viewing audience. That she was taken out by a teammate and someone who loved her simply added to the drama and saddness of the situation. Still wayyy better than having her off herself.

to anybody looking at that movie Gan fell off fighting the Balrog and came back "dope". Gol commited suicide to attain his obsession thats a huge negative view on suicide so yeah it would stay. Elven euthanasia huh ask anyone it looks like they simply left to some other world.

[Beast]

You mean fuck Hugh Jackman and the writters who bent over for him right? Overall they just jamed an hour and 40mins together going completly against the grain of continuity to save a buck!! Juggernaut was a big disapiontment with a Austrialian accent. Holly Berry should never be Storm again Cyclopes was hosed. Angel was piontless I could go on but why bother. Fox is going to make it's money back plus more so if they do make another are input will continue to go unheard. Which is fine by me. Cuz if anything else, there's always Bootleg......
The writers bent over for him? Hardly. They knew that the major draw for the non-comic fans is Wolverine. He's the most recognizable character of the X-Men for non-comic fans, just due to the distinctive look.

And what continuity are you talking about? Because the movie fits movie continuity, the comics have no bearing on the continuity of the movies. They are simply a guide for the movie makers, since they adapted those stories for the film. The constant complaints about Juggy not being the 616 Juggy, and other problems really is tiring. Juggy is a mutant and not related to Xavier in the Ultimate Verse, so there you go.

Cyclops wasn't hosed, he was commited to Superman Returns and was only available for a day or so for shooting. Angel could have been used better, but he was far from pointless. But do as you wish, I'm sure they won't miss your few bucks as their raking in money hand over fist. If you're really so much against it, you wouldn't resort to bootleg either. Participating in illegal activities just seems childish.

[Cyke]

her needed to be taken out, is alot more palletable than suicide for most of the viewing audience. That she was taken out by a teammate and someone who loved her simply added to the drama and saddness of the situation. Still wayyy better than having her off herself.

Your opinion, but you're arguing to someone who never cared about the whole 'who should kill Jean Grey' argument in the movie.

Way to shoot the messenger, man.

to anybody looking at that movie Gan fell off fighting the Balrog and came back "dope". Gol commited suicide to attain his obsession thats a huge negative view on suicide so yeah it would stay. Elven euthanasia huh ask anyone it looks like they simply left to some other world.

1. Doesn't erase the fact that Gandalf willingly died. Hell, Jean committed suicide in X2 to save everyone (just like in the Dark Phoenix Saga) and was rewarded with the last lines of the movie).

Come to think of it, it's kind of odd to argue that the film can't have Jean die at her own hand, when she did it in the previous movie. She even stopped Nightcrawler from saving her.

2. A huge negative view, sure. But then both the book and the movie went out of their way to have the viewer sympathize with Gollum's good but naive side, which would make his suicide even more tragic. Had Gollum lived in the 21st century, he'd be committed to a mental ward on the grounds that his good side has the potential to permanently stay.

3. The other world *is* the afterlife. That was one of the major points about why Frodo, Gandalf, and the others would be draped in white light but would never return ever again. Just as how everything else in the trilogy translates into something else, so was the passage on the ship.

[Vegetarian Goat]

her needed to be taken out, is alot more palletable than suicide for most of the viewing audience. That she was taken out by a teammate and someone who loved her simply added to the drama and saddness of the situation. Still wayyy better than having her off herself.

i couldn't disagree more. Dark Phoenix committing suicide is one of the ONLY instances i can think of in ANYTHING where suicide is justifiably heroic. The part of her that was Jean knew that she was a global, if not universal threat. Her suicide showed the reader/audience that she was willing to do what others couldn't out of necessity- her heroism triumphed over the part of her that was evil. It makes a bold statement not only about her character and her will, but also the character/will of Cyclops and Wolverine for not being able to see past their own desires.

If the filmmakers needed Wolverine at the climax of the movie, they could've opted to have Jean telekinetically impale herself with Wolverine's claws, forcing him to kill her. It would've put Wolverine in the crux of the action, and he still would've had a reason for remorse, but he wouldn't have been the hero of the day. That honor would've gone- and rightfully so- to Jean, who needs it to be a redeemable character.

That having been said, I understand that Jean wasn't exactly on the level of a global/universal threat in the movies (yet), so such a drastic move wasn't necessary. But it's my opinion that having Wolverine kill her- or even Cyclops for that matter was taking the cheesy way out, and in the end made Jean look a little weak.

[Beast]

But it did go to Jean, she asked for Wolverine to kill her. She could have easily destroyed him, had she wanted to. She was fighting against her 'Phoenix' personality, because she knew she had to die.

[Cyke]

That having been said, I understand that Jean wasn't exactly on the level of a global/universal threat in the movies (yet), so such a drastic move wasn't necessary. But it's my opinion that having Wolverine kill her- or even Cyclops for that matter was taking the cheesy way out, and in the end made Jean look a little weak.

Aye. Which makes me thing even more about the Dark Phoenix Saga. Cyclops was in agony when he toppled that building over Jean, and he thought he killed her. Even then, having Cyclops kill her would be too unsatisfactory, so Jean did it herself. The story couldn't have ended with Cyclops being her killer, it had to be Jean.

[Vegetarian Goat]

But it did go to Jean, she asked for Wolverine to kill her. She could have easily destroyed him, had she wanted to. She was fighting against her 'Phoenix' personality, because she knew she had to die.

I could ask you to make dinner, but it doesn't mean i'm the one who made it.

[Beast]

I could ask you to make dinner, but it doesn't mean i'm the one who made it.
But all Wolverine is, is a tool. Jean was the one cooking. ;)

[Affinity]

All I have to say is that COLOSSUS DOESN'T NEED A RUSSIAN ACCENT. It's not that serious. He needed more scenes and lines, for sure, but SCREW the accent. All American Boy Daniel Cudmore wouldn't suit the accent, anyway.

[Vegetarian Goat]

But all Wolverine is, is a tool. Jean was the one cooking. ;)

Well, i can't disagree with about half of that sentence. So high five.

[Beast]

Well, i can't disagree with about half of that sentence. So high five.
And here's hoping that Beast becomes as popular as he used to be, after this movie. And replaces Wolverine as the main star of the X-Franchise. During the 80's and 90's his popularity couldn't be beat. :)

[Cyke]

All I have to say is that COLOSSUS DOESN'T NEED A RUSSIAN ACCENT. It's not that serious. He needed more scenes and lines, for sure, but SCREW the accent. All American Boy Daniel Cudmore wouldn't suit the accent, anyway.

I'm reminded of those Aussie accents that Wolverine used to have in the cartoons before Fox.

[garin]

I'm a bit late to the party, having only just seen the film, and I'm afraid I gave up on reading the thread after about page six.. but I'm pretty confused about all the people complaining about Jean's lack of flames. Her hair was on fire throughout the final Alcatraz scene.

[Uncle Nobs]

I'm a bit late to the party, having only just seen the film, and I'm afraid I gave up on reading the thread after about page six.. but I'm pretty confused about all the people complaining about Jean's lack of flames. Her hair was on fire throughout the final Alcatraz scene.
Nah, it was backlit and fanned to create an impression of flames, but in X2 she had actual CGI flames. As impressive and terrifying as she was as Dark Phoenix, it's still kinda weird that they didn't bother to use the flame effect for her, especially when they'd already established it in X2.

[Uncle Nobs]

and they would have a point IF the movie was a direct attempt at DPS but it isnt. Its a mixture of alot of different elements, borrowing the most from the IDEA of DPS and the Gifted arcs. Not direct just borrowing plot points.
It doesn't bother me that it came down to Wolverine to stop her. He is the focal character of the X-films, the neutral character who finds himself thrust into the X-Men's world and who must make his choice between selfishness or selflessness.

It bothers me that they turned it into a Logan/Jean love story.

She was nearly married to Scott in X1 & X2. They were in love and there was clearly a lot between them. She wanted to bone Logan in X1 & X2. That's all. There's clearly enough chemistry (both sexual and personal) between Jean and Logan to possibly turn into more, but it never actually happens.

I'm really, really, reeeeeaaaalllly not a stickler for keeping adaptations 100% true to the comics, but this was just a sloppy attempt to cash in on the Logan/Jean sex appeal and an illogical turn in the narrative.

[TROUBLEZ]

I loved it! I'm still debating inside my head which is better X2 or X3. Anyway, my thoughts on some of the movie moments:

-Dark Phoenix
I liked the effect they gave her, the cole black eyes, veins going through her face but for much of the middle of the movie she doesn't talk. I guess if she talked it would have been typical uber-villain talk explaining why she was wasting her time with Magneto...The flames I liked in 2 but didn't really think about it when I watched it.

-Colossus
Still not much of an appearance. Wish he would have emitted the kindness he shows in the comics. I was also hoping for a fight between him and the Juggernaut

-Danger Room
I thought this scene was going to be a nightmare that Professor X was having of the future. When only the sentinels car-headlights-like eyes were shown I was dissappointed. Especially when the head was shown. Thankfully it was only a hologram.

-Death of Dark Phoenix
Just wish Wolverine would have stabbed/clawed her in a more dramatic way. A claw through the heart? She's Phoenix.

Although, for me, there were some small minor faults as I mentioned, the movie was great!

[The Fury]

You got weird, dude. You got weird.
Is that just got weird or have I alwasy been weird....becuase it's actually the latter.

But again, I did not see Psylocke in this film. No names were mentioned and no similar powers were shown on a character.

Like I said, if Havok were to show up (aka a blonde guy in the background), had no lines, different powers and wasn't the brother of Cyclops and only named in the credits, people would complain. I am about this socalled appearence by Psylocke.


Sorry to all, I'll shut up now. That doesn't mean I believe any of the stuff you lot are saying though.

[kloudsurfer]

But again, I did not see Psylocke in this film.

You just keep telling yourself that mate...:rolleyes:


It bothers me that they turned it into a Logan/Jean love story.

She was nearly married to Scott in X1 & X2. They were in love and there was clearly a lot between them. She wanted to bone Logan in X1 & X2. That's all. There's clearly enough chemistry (both sexual and personal) between Jean and Logan to possibly turn into more, but it never actually happens.

I'm really, really, reeeeeaaaalllly not a stickler for keeping adaptations 100% true to the comics, but this was just a sloppy attempt to cash in on the Logan/Jean sex appeal and an illogical turn in the narrative.

What he said. Id understand if it made sense in movie continuity, but it doesnt.

Meh. Maybe they were hoping the audience would ignore it. The way most moivegoers see it, Wolverine=cool, Cyclops= annoying whiney boy scout. Therefore Wolverine should get the hottie. :D

Still haven't decided whether I liked this movie or not. Initially, I was like 'Hell yeah! That was awsome!' but upon further reflection I noticed the [many many] flaws and weaknesses. Sure there were some great aspects, but there were also some bad ones.

Like the characters. For example, why was Collosus even in the movie(other than to carry a TV down the hall and do a fastball special with none other than the great wolverine)? What did he contribute? When you could have taken half the cast out of the movie and it wouldn't dignificantly influence the story, you know you have to many characters
Half the scenes were really dodgy. 'The school stays open! Huraay lets all have a party!' and 'OMG Storm is outside changing the weather! Quick! Stop everything! I must go console her!' come to mind.
Too many storylines!

I knew a kid with ADHD. Thats what watching the movie felt like.Awkward, jerky, restless, jumping around from place to place, couldnt linger on one scene for too long, LOOK, EXPLOSIONS!!!! Whats that over there, another unimportant irrelevant character? Chuck him in the movie. Lets combine 50 million storylines!!!!!!!!!

Ok, slight exageration. But Im begining to feel like I (and perhaps the rest of us fangirls/boys) am in denial about how much crap was in that movie and how poorly it was treated, and am willing to accept it because hey, its a movie...about the X-MEN!!!!!!!

Before you all hurt me, I dont mean to say that everyone here is in denial. Its just that from my experience fanboys/girls (thats it, Im changing it to fanpeople!) have a tendency to support things such as movies based on things they like and are willing to turn a blind eye to the truth. (For example, do Claremontites actually like his recent books?:p) I think I was. Or maybe Im just not sure if the good outweighs the bad, regardless of my love for the X-Men? Im so confused...

Disclaimer: The poster has been home with the flu for a week and has had very little human contact, thus is going insane and is not responsible for anything she has said(especially the Claremont comment).

[kloudsurfer]

Ooops double post!

[kloudsurfer]

Triple post. I think I need sleep

[RH_Duncan]

I liked it a lot. A shame they used Rogue and Psylockr this way. For the rest: Awesome. Though I thought the guy fighting Logan in the forest was Omega Red and Quill is called Kid Omega in the credits. That's a bit hmmm, if I may say so. But the end scene was great!! Loved how Famke looked as Dark Phoenix, she was the best in this movie!

[Saberteeth]

I really liked it anyway! Especially cause they killed Spike...i always hated that guy!

[mandog]

Ok I just saw the flick yesterday. And, I am lazy so I am not going to read all 40 some pages of this thread. I'll just toss in my 2 cents and hope its not repeating to much.

First off I liked the movie. It is a guilty pleasure for me. I say this because I know films well enough to realize that its not really put together that well. I love the characters so much, and the story is classic X-Men so I was able to look past its weaknesses. I really think if it had been directed by someone other than Brett Ratner that it would have been elevated above simply a popcorn flick.

I feel like I'm being hard on it. So I will say again I did enjoy it, and I'm glad I watched it. I also have to say that Ellen Page (I belive thats her name, she played Kitty Pride) is one of the cutest things out there(shes 19 so I dont feel like a perv saying that either. Mark my words, she is an actress we will be seeing alot of. (Hopefully a whole lot of :D )

[The Fury]

You just keep telling yourself that mate...:rolleyes:

Telling myself that Psylocke(Betsy Braddock) wasn't in this film? Well...she wasn't. I never saw her.

[tetragene]

Telling myself that Psylocke(Betsy Braddock) wasn't in this film? Well...she wasn't. I never saw her.

lol, I think we're all in agreement that she blew and was a complete waste in the movie (I still think they were trying to impliment her brief "shadow teleporting" powers instead of giving her brand new powers). But that still doesn't change the fact that she is Psylocke. Sucky or no-sucky. ;P

[Zombienorthstar]

lol, I think we're all in agreement that she blew and was a complete waste in the movie (I still think they were trying to impliment her brief "shadow teleporting" powers instead of giving her brand new powers). But that still doesn't change the fact that she is Psylocke. Sucky or no-sucky. ;P


We discussed this before and The Fury and i agreed...Psylocke appeared in this movie...Betsy Braddock did not...

[Nyssane]

We discussed this before and The Fury and i agreed...Psylocke appeared in this movie...Betsy Braddock did not...

That's like saying Philippa Sontag did not but Arclight did. :p

[Novaya Havoc]

That's like saying Philippa Sontag did not but Arclight did. :p

You know Arclight's NAME? That's like, the gayest bit of information ever.










:D

[The Fury]

That's like saying Philippa Sontag did not but Arclight did. :p
Hey, at least she was (a) Named (b) had the right powers (c) wasn't passed off as some background reject character that had no lines.

Psylocke/Betsy Braddock was still not in this film.

And no-one is taking my point about Havok (any other character like that) and agreeing. If Havok were made a background character with wrong powers, had no lines, wasn't named as Cyclops brother and was only named in the credits, everyone would be complaining.

[TheDarkestHorse]

Sorry if this has been covered in one of the billions of posts on here, but can someone tell me real quick if that 'Toad' was really Toad or someone else, and who that guy that spews fire and ash is?

[Cowlander]

Sorry if this has been covered in one of the billions of posts on here, but can someone tell me real quick if that 'Toad' was really Toad or someone else, and who that guy that spews fire and ash is?
Ok This is the guy I think is the Ash/flame guy from X3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcoal_%28comics%29

[White King]

*maybe minor spoilers*

I apologize before hand for skipping a lot of posts in this thread, but time is short and I have other things to be doing, so I will get straight to my thoughts and save the rest of time for you to pick at them.

First, above all, I have little to no problems with the movie; when compared with the other two this one surely out classes them both.

Secondly, when compared to the comics, a lot of stuff has changed, like it's a brand new universe. First and foremost is the mutant power/origins. But, I can see from the fact that a numerous amount of certain characters are present why they would need to change their powers to suit the movie (and the budget).

I will take just one character to show you why and that, of course, is Magneto:

Strength of Magneto = Incalculable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jamdav86/Strength_level_(comics))

Wikipedia: Magneto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(comics))

Marvel Directory: Magneto (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/magneto.htm)

Marvel Universe: Magneto(Ultimate) (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Magneto_(Ultimate))

Marvel Universe: Magneto (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Magneto)

For those of you who haven't been too much in tuned to Magneto's true power, you'll probably soon come to realize why they did what they did. Magneto's power in the 3rd movie is described to be power over metal only, or at least was said by Callisto and was repeated by many of the army officers to not take anything metal.
In the comics this is untrue and Magneto's primary power is magnetism, not just 'power over metal'. I take this excerpt from the Marvel Universe website:

Magneto possesses the power to control all forms of magnetism. He can shape and manipulate magnetic fields that exist naturally or artificially. It is unclear, however, whether he must draw magnetic force from outside himself (if so, then he can do so over vast distances), or whether he can also generate magnetic force from within himself. Nor is it clear whether Magneto's power is psionic or purely physiological in nature. Magneto's power is, for all practical purposes, limitless. Moreover, he can use his magnetic powers in more than one way simultaneously. He can completely assemble a complicated machine within seconds through his powers. He can erect magnetic force fields with a high degree of impenetrability around himself for protection.

As it says here, Magneto's power is, for all practical purposes, limitless. Also as I said, this is just his primary power. He does indeed have other powers besides just 'power over metal' and 'magnetism' and this again comes from the Marvel Universe:

Although Magneto’s primary power is control over magnetism, he can also project or manipulate any form of energy that is part of the electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light, radio waves, ultraviolet light, gamma rays, and x-rays. He can manipulate gravitons to create an anti-gravity field, and does so whenever he levitates a non-magnetic object. Hence, Magneto may be living proof of the long-sought Unified Field Theory that all forms of energy are related. However, Magneto almost always uses only magnetism, since it’s more difficult for him to manipulate other forms of energy. Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, and has claimed to be able to control the minds of others, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal.

This is just the tip of the iceberg too, as you can see from the Strength calculation (as a random source, but a source none-the-less), Magneto has used his magnetic powers to supplement his strength to levels sufficient to lift a 40,000 ton submarine with ease. And of course from multiple sources he once used his magnetism to extract Wolverine's adamantium skeleton from his body forcefuly. Also once he was enhanced by a machine and he threatened to disrupt Earth's magnetic field.

Unlimited strength, unlimited power, super intelligence, limited psychic capabilities, and above all power over one of the strongest elements in the known present day universe.

The Magneto shown in the movies is at merely 1/100 of the power level he should be at. Nothing wrong with that, merely making the point that sometimes change is good. To preserve money in the film and to make him mortal at the end, they had to take a lot of his powers away.

(Note: Magneto being held in a plastic prison...hah not in any other Marvel Universe)

As I said at the beginning it seems like a new universe altogether, and that's what I'll view it as. That is what I'll view the reason for the change of character powers/origins as (asside from budgeting).

It is a good movie, a favorite of mine easily.

I've said what I've needed and that's all, I appreciate the time you've taken to glance over my post too before-hand.

[Cyke]

Well, if that wasn't condescending. Paragraph upon paragraph of telling a board of X-fans what they already know.

[Beast]

(Note: Magneto being held in a plastic prison...hah not in any other Marvel Universe)
Ultimate X-Men. ;)

[Simon Garth]

You just keep telling yourself that mate...:rolleyes:

What he said. Id understand if it made sense in movie continuity, but it doesnt.

Of course it makes sense in the continuity of the film. In X1 & 2 she's attracted to Wolvie, but her commitment is to wooden boy. In X3, she's mostly the Phoenix, dark desires etc, and so she want to jump Wolvie.

Xavier has dialog in the infirmary scene that pretty much spells this out.

Anyway, haven't read the rest of the thread, but I've just got back from it, and... IMHO, it blew the other two away.

Even the things I was really dreading (like Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut) were terrific. Alright he wasn't 7 feet tall, but he was way more impressive than I expected.

The Beast fight scenes were great, Storm finally did something, the danger room was there, they integrated Phoenix in a way that made sense within the context of the continuity established in the films, they fought as a team, they had some lovely fanboy touches (caught some of them, haven't seen a lot of the others - looking forward to seeing it again on DVD).

I didn't give a toss about Cyclops being vaped - if the actor were more wooden he'd grow roots: glad to see the back of him.

There's a fairly obvious set-up for the return of one of the dead characters, if they want him back for X4, though I'd prefer to do without him.

Alright some of the mutant cannon fooder weren't exactly fleshed out (no idea who they were, or what their powers were), and there's no obvious reason why Nightcrawler isn't in this one (too similar to the Beast, I guess).

Totally diagree with people who say that Rogue wouldn't take the cure - the way she's been portrayed in the films, of course she would. The comic book one might not (though she was shown as being pretty content to be powerless and able to live with Gambit). And, sorry folks, these are similar characters to the X-books, but they're not identical - and I think that these ones work in the context of the films better than the fully nuanced/realised ones from the comics, with their 40 years of backstory, ever would.

All in all - fan-bloody-tastic!

[steve2275]

Colossus got an upgrade. He is not super-strong in human form. No way would he be able to carry a large tv like that without his armor.
well comiclly he can:p

[traxler]

Nah, it was backlit and fanned to create an impression of flames, but in X2 she had actual CGI flames. As impressive and terrifying as she was as Dark Phoenix, it's still kinda weird that they didn't bother to use the flame effect for her, especially when they'd already established it in X2.
I liked this effect more, espesherly when combined with that wierd contortrd face effect they did.

And the TV Colossus was carrying- it was a trick one! Empty!!!!!

[Mr. Jip]

Finally, i went & watched X-3.
i watched X3 & consequently spent 3 hours bitching about Halle Berry.

i liked most of it, but i am traumatized that my favourite character Storm NEVER got to be Storm in the movies.
i am so ... agitated that i had to take out Uncanny 201-248 to remind me why i love Ororo so much, as well as redeem the character Storm in my mind.

i have to go to Buddhist meditation on Tuesday to release Halle Berry from my wrath. i really want to hurt her.

No Phoenix Flare?
While i loved the Dark, ashen skin with black veins & creepy sinister black eyes, even my non-X-geek friends were like?? Huh??? They had Jean light up in X2? What happened to her power signature.

And um. What??? Collosus does WHAT???

Rogue just goes for an abortion.

And my non-X-fan friend whose favourite character is the movie Mystique felt that the final chess scene would have been more theatrical if Raven catwalked up to Magneto & either kick him in the face, snap his neck, or just bitchslap him with a sly insult, like, "Now you know how it's like to be homo sapien, & left ALONE, Eric." or something.

He also thought they could've included Siryn, since they had her in X2. Just have the actress scream & then have all the actors cover their ears & shake the camera around. NO expensive FX necessary.
i think my non-X-geek friend would have made a BETTER writer for the movie.

And FUCK HALLE BERRY. :evilangry :mad:
sorry Cronin.:(

[Aufbach]

Where was Nightcrawler?

[steve2275]

not in this movie

[Mr. Sinister]

I read somewhere that he had a limited part in the movie, so the actor decided not to come back. This was mostly because of the extensive makeup required for the movie.

I can't remember where I found that...

[Beast]

I read somewhere that he had a limited part in the movie, so the actor decided not to come back. This was mostly because of the extensive makeup required for the movie.

I can't remember where I found that...
Not at all. The last interview he gave was that he was excited to come back for X-Men 3, as it was in his contract. But they decided to drop him, and include Beast instead. Since Marvel thinks it's audience is stupid, they didn't want two highly agile blue guys in the movie, as it would be confusing. And here I thought they fixed that by making Kurt almost black and giving him tattoos instead of fur. Oh well. :p

[Mr. Sinister]

Thanks for clarifying, Beast. :)

[Zombienorthstar]

I have some thoughts over Magnetos brotherhood...

You could have had Fabian Cortez, Scanner or Caliban fill the mutant tracker role that they filled with Callisto. I know Cortez doesnt actually have this abbility but it makes more sense with his control over other peoples powers...he must anturally be able to feel when theyres powers in the area to control...

Have Callisto just as she...played by Chrissy Hynde....that would have been cool...:D

Had Blob instead of Juggernaut...(just a personal preference on my part)

Have Avalanche instead of Arclight...would have been able to do the same things basically.

Destiny...that would have been great....make Destiny be played by a young woman though so there could still be relationship between her and raven and a bit of jealousy from mags as it seemed liek there was a sexual connection between them in previous films...plus you could have had destiny making ltos of vague comments...tha tpay off at the end.

[steve2275]

i really liked mags pawns line

[Affinity]

Beast, or anyone else with the novelization, can you tell us about the differences from the book and the movie? I'd like to see the way it could have happened.

[Xany Kaos]

Heheheheh, I return. Sweet, delicious internets....

Sorry if this has been covered in one of the billions of posts on here, but can someone tell me real quick if that 'Toad' was really Toad or someone else

Eh, officially, it's Anole. Which, of course, fills me with sad.

[TheDarkestHorse]

Heheheheh, I return. Sweet, delicious internets....



Eh, officially, it's Anole. Which, of course, fills me with sad.
Cool. So, who's Anole?

[Dazzler]

Did anyone else see the Stepford Cuckoos???? :) Talk about super deep cameos...

good friend and i saw it again the other day, and i think he wanted to hit something afterwards. not because it was an all together bad movie, but just because he got some "gay cure" residue and it make him go all woogie. :)

i thought it worked better upon second viewing, personally.

--Dazz

[Novaya Havoc]

Yesterday, some guy in my local comic shop was going on about how X3 made him want to go out and buy Daredevil. :eek:

[Dazzler]

Yesterday, some guy in my local comic shop was going on about how X3 made him want to go out and buy Daredevil. :eek:


that just doesn't make any sense....any explanations why?
i tried watching Daredevil the other day, but couldn't even make it past Matt Murdock as a kid. I think it was Ben Affleck's raspy voiceover.

--Dazz

[Zombienorthstar]

Where are the Cukkoos? I dotn remember them...

[Gene M.]

If I remember correctly, didn't Jean say she "thinks" she killed Cyclops? Why in the hell didn't anybody look for him? It was like Wolverine and Storm showed up, saw Jean and and thought "Hey! Our friend and teammate might be wandering around the forest blind and in need of our help. Screw it. His glasses were floating around with some rocks so he's definitely dead."

I don't know if anyone brought this up or not, but I don't really feel like wading through the 48 previous pages of posts.

[Zombienorthstar]

If I remember correctly, didn't Jean say she "thinks" she killed Cyclops? Why in the hell didn't anybody look for him? It was like Wolverine and Storm showed up, saw Jean and and thought "Hey! Our friend and teammate might be wandering around the forest blind and in need of our help. Screw it. His glasses were floating around with some rocks so he's definitely dead."

I don't know if anyone brought this up or not, but I don't really feel like wading through the 48 previous pages of posts.


I think they jsut dont really like Scott...

In my opinion his death is a good thing...because it leaves X4 open for an angry Alex Summers to show up with his girlfriend Lorna Dane on the back of his motorcycle.

[Dazzler]

Where are the Cukkoos? I dotn remember them...


when storm and professor xavier are walking/rolling down the hall, there's a REALLY tall kid walking with a REALLY short kid...after they turn the corner, there's three blonde girls dressed exactly alike walking together in unison. it's hard to catch, but kind of neat when you do.

--Dazz

[Gene M.]

It just sucks that they decided to kill him off before he got the chance to commit some form of adultry, abandon a child or get drunk at a titty bar. Eh, maybe Wolverine'll find him working on a fishing boat in X4.

[Dazzler]

It just sucks that they decided to kill him off before he got the chance to commit some form of adultry, abandon a child or get drunk at a titty bar. Eh, maybe Wolverine'll find him working on a fishing boat in X4.
doesn't wolverine do all of those things on a monthly basis?

i mean...Logan's always trying to get Jean to bump uglies, even though she's clearly taken and just humoring his affections...he left the child he "vowed" to care for always in the hands of someone else, and he gets drunk at the drop of a hat...at the same titty bar Cyclops was at. just before he and sabretooth compared penis sizes.

Whatever Cyclops has done is very small compared to the monthly debauchery we're "treated" to with wolverine.


i just think the end of the movie with wolverine was crap. there's only one way for the movie to end, and Wolverine has nothing to do with it.
--Dazz

[Cowlander]

If I remember correctly, didn't Jean say she "thinks" she killed Cyclops? Why in the hell didn't anybody look for him? It was like Wolverine and Storm showed up, saw Jean and and thought "Hey! Our friend and teammate might be wandering around the forest blind and in need of our help. Screw it. His glasses were floating around with some rocks so he's definitely dead."

I don't know if anyone brought this up or not, but I don't really feel like wading through the 48 previous pages of posts.
naww she flat out says she killed him to wolverine in the lab. Asks to be killed and I "think"(not sure on this part) that she says she did the same thing to the professor. Then she goes all lust bunny for wolvie.

[Maka Nani]

I liked Kitty beating Juggernaut and I liked Rogue deciding to take the cure I think most teenagers with her powers would.

[Gene M.]

Whatever Cyclops has done is very small compared to the monthly debauchery we're "treated" to with wolverine.


Yeah, but Wolverine's cool, so he can do anything he wants. It's way funnier when Cyclops runs around sticking it in anything that moves because he's the square of the team.

[david r]

I haven't seen the movie, what exactly does Stan Lee and Chris Claremont do in their cameos?

[Gene M.]

Claremont mows his lawn while Lee handles his hose.

[Jake V]

I haven't seen the movie, what exactly does Stan Lee and Chris Claremont do in their cameos?
They're in the opening scene (spoilers, duh). Set 20 years ago, Xavier and Magneto visit a young Jean Grey in her house, and while talking to her about being a mutant, she seemingly reverses the gravity on her street, lifting cars and other things into the air on her street.

Stan Lee and Chris Claremont play her neighbors. Claremont is shown mowing his lawn and his lawnmower floats away. Stan is shown watering his plants, and the water flows up instead of down.

Their moments are pretty brief.

[david r]

Is it true that Stan Lee says "What the f***!"

[Jake V]

Is it true that Stan Lee says "What the f***!"
Nope.

But then, a ton of stuff (colossus fighting juggernaut, a Phoenix raptor) got cut from the movie, so they might have shot that line, but it never made it to the movie.

[CMBMOOL]

I finally got to see the movie and I loved it, although I didn't see the ending (when the film was TRULY over).

Did anyone think that when Wolverine killed Jean it was like the cover inwhich Wolverine killed his Japanese wife.

It had some funny moments as well as memorable ones, the only thing I was disopointed with Psylocke protryal in the film. I was truly hoping for more. :(

Overall, it was great. :D

[YoungThanos]

The writers bent over for him? Hardly. They knew that the major draw for the non-comic fans is Wolverine. He's the most recognizable character of the X-Men for non-comic fans, just due to the distinctive look.

And what continuity are you talking about? Because the movie fits movie continuity, the comics have no bearing on the continuity of the movies. They are simply a guide for the movie makers, since they adapted those stories for the film. The constant complaints about Juggy not being the 616 Juggy, and other problems really is tiring. Juggy is a mutant and not related to Xavier in the Ultimate Verse, so there you go.

Cyclops wasn't hosed, he was commited to Superman Returns and was only available for a day or so for shooting. Angel could have been used better, but he was far from pointless. But do as you wish, I'm sure they won't miss your few bucks as their raking in money hand over fist. If you're really so much against it, you wouldn't resort to bootleg either. Participating in illegal activities just seems childish.

What world do you live in? No let me guess 616 right? You overzealous jackass save your whinning I took my kids to see it twice...... Long story short it left much to be desired. And if Bootleging is childish....well call me anything but broke......LOL!!!

[Zombienorthstar]

Nope.

But then, a ton of stuff (colossus fighting juggernaut, a Phoenix raptor) got cut from the movie, so they might have shot that line, but it never made it to the movie.


Really...i want the DVD just to see Stan Lee say F***

[Beast]

What world do you live in? No let me guess 616 right? You overzealous jackass save your whinning I took my kids to see it twice...... Long story short it left much to be desired. And if Bootleging is childish....well call me anything but broke......LOL!!!
It's called reality, you should visit sometime. And who's whining, I'm defending the choices that other people are whining about, such as the changes to Juggernaut's character from the 616 version. Is the movie perfect, certainly not. Bootlegging only hurts you in the end, so do as you will.

[bounusball75]

I also think the complaints about juggernaut and such are tiring but, it should be expected from the comic world. Some people don't see that this wasn't just made for the comic fans, its was made to make $$$ and it did and the story is easier to understand for your average movie goer.

[shadow of a madman]

Maybye someone remarked about this before,I didn't read EVERY page.
Colossus seemed like a non-character to me.I mean,he did absolutely NOTHING in this movie besides throw Wolvie twice and speak once(that I can remember) he isn't even featured prominently in any action scenes.

[shadow of a madman]

Oh,and another thing.I may not be an expert on Shadowcat's powers,but doesn't solidifying while phasing through an object usually result in instantaneous DEATH?Juggernaut may have unbreakable skin or whatever,but that still woulda killed him if the writer knew how Kitty's powers work....

[Beast]

Oh,and another thing.I may not be an expert on Shadowcat's powers,but doesn't solidifying while phasing through an object usually result in instantaneous DEATH?Juggernaut may have unbreakable skin or whatever,but that still woulda killed him if the writer knew how Kitty's powers work....
Depends on the writer and the version. She used the same tactic against Juggernaut in X-Men Evolution also. You just have to ignore the canon comic version of the powers, and go with the flow. :)

[Tre Styles]

I just saw it last night. (Yes, I know, I know...) It was fun. It wasn't that deep, but then it was. I was surprised at a lot of what was allowed, and then not surprised at all. Especially with the Jean Grey/Logan last scene. I could've predicted that happening with my eyes closed walking naked across hot coals. Overall, I enjoyed it for the surfaceness of it, the coolness of the Beast, the various little cameos (the Stepford Cuckoos for one), and the general action. I was geniunely surprised at what happened with Professor X, (mainly because I stayed away from the spoilers that were all over the place) and kinda liked how they set it up in the very, very end. I guess more could've been done with the whole thing, but it was what it was. Who was the other girl with the Brotherhood with Quill and Callisto(?) who could walk through walls like Kitty??

[Beast]

Who was the other girl with the Brotherhood with Quill and Callisto(?) who could walk through walls like Kitty??
It's the movieverse version of Psylocke.

[Tre Styles]

It's the movieverse version of Psylocke.

Realllly. I never guessed that. I was racking my brain last night trying to figure out who she was. Thanks Beast. Kelsey Grammar was great in the movie. I want to know where Nightcrawler was though and why he wasn't acknowledged. And was that supposed to be Caliban who was talking to the Morlocks before Magneto bust in with his speech?

[Beast]

Realllly. I never guessed that. I was racking my brain last night trying to figure out who she was. Thanks Beast. Kelsey Grammar was great in the movie. I want to know where Nightcrawler was though and why he wasn't acknowledged. And was that supposed to be Caliban who was talking to the Morlocks before Magneto bust in with his speech?
Yes, for all my complaints... Kelsey really nailed Beast. Even without having much to work with, given the lack of a lot of characterization for the characters. Which was a real shame for the movie.

As for Nightcrawler, they explain why he's not there in the X-Men Video Game that ties into the movie. Basically at the end of the game there's a cut scene where Kurt talks to Xavier, and comments that the missions he's been on with the X-Men have been way too violent for him, and he's going to take a leave of absense from the team. Or something like that. I haven't played it myself.

[Sean Whitmore]

As for Nightcrawler, they explain why he's not there in the X-Men Video Game that ties into the movie. Basically at the end of the game there's a cut scene where Kurt talks to Xavier, and comments that the missions he's been on with the X-Men have been way too violent for him, and he's going to take a leave of absense from the team. Or something like that. I haven't played it myself.


It makes sense for movie Nightcrawler to not want to stay with the team. By all accounts, he was still having a fine old time as a performer before Stryker found him. No reason he should want to trade that for a life of fighting robots and the like.


SEAN

[jarrod]

Maybye someone remarked about this before,I didn't read EVERY page.
Colossus seemed like a non-character to me.I mean,he did absolutely NOTHING in this movie besides throw Wolvie twice and speak once(that I can remember) he isn't even featured prominently in any action scenes.
Sounds like the Colossus I know...

[YoungThanos]

Depends on the writer and the version. She used the same tactic against Juggernaut in X-Men Evolution also. You just have to ignore the canon comic version of the powers, and go with the flow. :)

What are you the official Marvel Films Avocate? Just tell me you have Stock with Fox\Marvelfilms and for your sake I wont type another negative word about this........or bootleg it :rolleyes:

[Beast]

What are you the official Marvel Films Avocate? Just tell me you have Stock with Fox\Marvelfilms and for your sake I wont type another negative word about this........or bootleg it :rolleyes:
You're cute, WolverinesSon? If not, you're an incredible imitation. No, I'm not the official Marvel Films Advocate. I prescribe to the rule of 'Don't Sweat the Small Stuff'. The movies featuring a different interpretation of Kitty Pryde's powers is hardly something to get one's panties in a bunch over. The lack of characterization is something much more problematic in regard to the film.