X3 Thread to Talk About it Once You've Seen It - *Spoilers!*

[Beast]

Yeah, except that there were a lot of reasons why it was awful. This was probably the worst Marvel movie ever to be produced.
Ha-Ha-Ha. No. Man-Thing, The Hulk, Elektra. X-3 is Citizen Kane by comparison. :D

[D-LO]

Hey was that Deadpool fighting Wolverine at Alcatraz.???.The one who kept growing his arms back untill Wolverine kicked him in the nads???? " Grow those back!!!!!" :D

[fishtaco]

Thats going a little too far Hulk, Elektra, and Daredevil are worse than X-3I liked Daredevil, but I agree that Hulk and Elektra were bad. X3 was worse.

[brian2322]

I liked Daredevil, but I agree that Hulk and Elektra were bad. X3 was worse.

interesting, what are some of the things you didnt like

[bakla]

Well, cool.

And Beast was great, especially onc we saw hiom fighting, jumping all over the place, it was great.

I just liked Juggs line about his helmet keeping his face pretty. Oh and when Juggernaut whopped Wolverine at the Grey's house.

If he didn't have that accent I doubt you would have liked him nearly as much! ;)

[Young Avenger]

Yeah, except that there were a lot of reasons why it was awful. This was probably the worst Marvel movie ever to be produced.

Howard The Duck is the messah of awful Marvel movies. That and the 1989 Punisher movie, Captain America and the Generation X made for T.V movie.

[Beast]

Howard The Duck is the messah of awful Marvel movies. That and the 1989 Punisher movie, Captain America and the Generation X made for T.V movie.
Howard the Duck is good cheesy fun. It's not meant to be taken seriously. :)

[Red Lotus]

I really missed Singer. When two ended I really wanted to see Singer take on the Dark Phoenix. But That didn't happen and this movie was too big for Brett Ratner. But I really can't blame him since he was like the forth choice and he took over only a few months before filming.

The Sentinel was just sad. I'll still say that Singer wouldn't have had fog lights on a freaking pole.

You have the Dark Phoenix saga and Cyclops has nothing to do but go MIA. Thats crap. But then again if Wolverine isn't the star Marvel doesn't want to make the movie:rolleyes: .


I think there was way to much going on in this movie and too many mutants. Yeah some of them were good to see, but still it felt like they threw stuff in just to see what would stick.

Some of the one liners were funny.

I liked Ellen Page
Kelsey Grammer was great

The only thing I hope is that if there is a four they would bring in Mister Sinister and Gambit. That way you can have Mister Sinister holding Scott.

Has anyone heard that there were other ending scenes besides the Xavier one at the end?

[Vegetarian Goat]

My thoughts- I really liked this movie. Better than X1, not as good as X2.

Specifics, you say? Read on!

Rogue being "powerless"... kinda lame, especially considering the lack of screen time she had. There should've been a little more of an emotional reaction by and to someone who's effectively trying to neuter themselves. Heck, even Angel had more analysis in that area... BUT! Just because she's powerless, doesn't mean she's left the school. Perhaps in X4, something will happen to her that will let her, oh, i dunno...
FLY AROUND AND BEAT SHIT UP??? HECK YES! I'd be happy.

Magneto, Juggernaut, Mystique, Beast and Kitty? All perfect. Dickhead, indeed. (Possibly my favorite part)

Angel was a waste of space. Which is a shame, because i really like Angel. When he saved his dad at the end, he should've at least had a shiny X-Suit on. :(

Dazzler? M? Emma? Omega Red? Where were you??

Cyclops- no body. NO BODY! Muah-ah-ah. It'd be amazing if he showed back up as a concoction of Sinister. But only if it was done correctly. Or maybe his brother's death is a good reason for Havok to show up at the school?

Storm- not as annoying as the last movie. That's all i'm sayin'.

Moira- oh, how i love Moira. Almost as much as i love Rushmore. So Rushmore alum + Moira? Le sigh..... :)

[superhornet34]

some amazing special effects. I liked the danger room sequence. Shadowcat was cool. I think Juggernaut actually came off well. Way too much criticism of this movie.

[Dazzler]

Thats going a little too far Hulk, Elektra, and Daredevil are worse than X-3


i actually think the Hulk is a good movie with solid filmmaking. Elektra is better than Daredevil by far. It's actually better than the crappy Fantastic Four by far as well. *shrug* I don't think many people even watched it enough to give an opinion anyway.

Shadowcat was neat-o. They should give her her own movie. ;)


--Dazz

[Beast]

i actually think the Hulk is a good movie with solid filmmaking. Elektra is better than Daredevil by far. It's actually better than the crappy Fantastic Four by far as well. *shrug* I don't think many people even watched it enough to give an opinion anyway.

--Dazz
Hulk is a horrid movie that drags on for almost an hour before actually getting to the point. The movie could have used some tighter pacing and editing in the first hour especially. That and Absorbing Dad was just wretched.

Elektra isn't bad, but it's far inferior to Daredevil. Especially the DC of Daredevil which tightens things up and removes the vomitous moments like the sex scene and gives everyone a lot more characterization.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Hulk is a horrid movie that drags on for almost an hour before actually getting to the point. The movie could have used some tighter pacing and editing in the first hour especially. That and Absorbing Dad was just wretched.

Not wanting to let the thread drift too much, but i really liked the Hulk. Everything that happened happened for a reason, and i found the editing to be really creative and effective as a visual style. I liked that it dealt more with the Hulk's psychosis and repressed emotions as opposed to being a mindless action movie. It's explorations into Freudian psychology made it seem like a smarter movie, to me anyway, and as a viewer i appreciated that. I know i'm in the distinct minority. Even still, i'd hardly consider it a "horrid movie."

[Dazzler]

Hulk is a horrid movie that drags on for almost an hour before actually getting to the point. The movie could have used some tighter pacing and editing in the first hour especially. That and Absorbing Dad was just wretched.
i didn't hate it. :)

Elektra isn't bad, but it's far inferior to Daredevil. Especially the DC of Daredevil which tightens things up and removes the vomitous moments like the sex scene and gives everyone a lot more characterization.
I don't know...far inferior? I just think Daredevil is kinda cheesy (and i LOVE Daredevil...i just watch the movie cuz it's him...). I haven't seen the DC of Daredevil yet, but if they remove that sex scene i would be all about it...however, a lot of the stuff in Elektra is much less cringe inducing than Daredevil. I just wouldn't ever call it inferior to its predecessor.

--Dazz

[tetragene]

Cyclops- no body. NO BODY! Muah-ah-ah. It'd be amazing if he showed back up as a concoction of Sinister. But only if it was done correctly. Or maybe his brother's death is a good reason for Havok to show up at the school?


That's what I'm thinking, without Cyke (which yes I still think is b/s that the movie is essentially the DPS and Cyke is MIA) or Jean in the picture it'd be a good opportunity to bring in Havok and Polaris. I'm beginning to wonder if a few of the mutants haven't made any appearances because they have been licensed out as solo films. I remember reading at one point that Gambit, Dazzler, and Longshot were slated to be solo movies. Avi Arad even mentioned Dazzler was on deck for solo treatment (alongside Captain America, Iron Man, and Black Panther) when he was discussing the Ghost Rider movie.

[The Fury]

If he didn't have that accent I doubt you would have liked him nearly as much! ;)
Of course not. Hearing Vinnie Jones say some of those lines were a lot funnier then some american saying them.

[bakla]

Garth Franklin posted a very even-toned review which I agree with prettyy much completely: http://www.darkhorizons.com/reviews/xmen3n.php


...except for the lack of any flippin' flaming, avian avatars, dammit! I'm just sayin'...! Oh Bryan Singer, why have you forsaken us???

[Vegetarian Goat]

Avi Arad even mentioned Dazzler was on deck for solo treatment (alongside Captain America, Iron Man, and Black Panther) when he was discussing the Ghost Rider movie.

Hot dog! That's news to me. I'm pumped! (so long as J-Simp stays far, far, away from this movie)

[Beast]

Estimates for opening day are in:

1. X-MEN: THE LAST STAND 20TH CENTURY FOX 3,689 44,520,000 12,068 n/a 44,520,000

http://www.showbizdata.com/dailybox.cfm

[Dazzler]

Hot dog! That's news to me. I'm pumped! (so long as J-Simp stays far, far, away from this movie)

don't get your hopes up, VG...Avi Arad has also said some very very unpleasant things about Alison, as well....i don't like that guy. :mad:

--Dazz

[The Fury]

Opening day figures look good, Beast, thanks.

The weekend will tell all though. Especially today.

[Red Lotus]

Of course not. Hearing Vinnie Jones say some of those lines were a lot funnier then some american saying them.

In theater where I saw it his line to Kitty got the biggest laugh and second biggest response in the whole movie.

[Michael P]

I can safely say the best thing about this movie was the cast. They all did a great job with the material they were given.

If I had been in charge, I would have pushed this back to a Christmas/holiday release to give time for some serious script overhauling. This script was strictly amateur hour compared to the other two films. David Goyer, why hast thou forsaken us?

I would have also given Brett Ratner a co-director. He did fine with the action scenes, but anytime the movie tried to get dramatic, it fell on its face.

And I'll just come right out and say that the scene in the lab, where Xavier goes into exposition mode, was painful to watch. "We have to get all of this information in there somewhere, so let's dump it in eight minutes at the end of Act I."

Overall, it was an enjoyable film, but I could see too many of the wires.

[Hi-Fi]

Loved it.

The Professor X death scene almost made me cry. As did the scene where Mystique is depowered and abandoned.

The end was great!! Olivia Williams as Moira rocked!!

Magneto, Mystique, Wolverine, Xavier, Beast, Kitty, Pyro : all awesome

Pyro Vs Iceman: so cool!

Halle actually didn't bother me.

Angel was a waste.

And since Rogue is my favorite character, I wont touch on this subject. : (

Does Magneto move the chess king at the end??? Because if he does, then there's chance for Rogue powers to come back.

[xmanson]

People think that calling someone a fanboy is a way to diminish that person's opinion?

Morons.

Wilverine being beaten like that by Juggernaut was a delight.

I just wish that Storm had stabbed phony Callisto.

Nah, leave it for the next movie, Mutant Massacre.

[xmanson]

Loved it.

The Professor X death scene almost made me cry. As did the scene where Mystique is depowered and abandoned.

Fag. :P

The end was great!! Olivia Williams as Moira rocked!!

Too young to be Moira. I was expecting at least the same haircut.



Does Magneto move the chess king at the end??? Because if he does, then there's chance for Rogue powers to come back.

Yes , he did. The moment they showed the board I thought "Magneto is gonna move a pice slightly and the movie will end". Yay for me!!!!

[Beast]

People think that calling someone a fanboy is a way to diminish that person's opinion?

Morons.

Wilverine being beaten like that by Juggernaut was a delight.

I just wish that Storm had stabbed phony Callisto.

Nah, leave it for the next movie, Mutant Massacre.
She does in the book. Callisto pulls out a knife, and tries to kill Storm while they're flailing around, beating on each other in mid-air. Storm uses her control of the winds to whip the knife out of Callisto's hand into hers, and then Callisto looks down in shock to see the knife in her chest. :)

[xmanson]

She does in the book. Callisto pulls out a knife, and tries to kill Storm while they're flailing around, beating on each other in mid-air. Storm uses her control of the winds to whip the knife out of Callisto's hand into hers, and then Callisto looks down in shock to see the knife in her chest. :)


Ok.

But if it's not in the movie, it doesn't count. ;)

BTW, I know kids go see this, but Logan killing all those people and no blood at all? Pleeeeeeeeease.

[Hi-Fi]

Fag. :P



Too young to be Moira. I was expecting at least the same haircut.





Yes , he did. The moment they showed the board I thought "Magneto is gonna move a pice slightly and the movie will end". Yay for me!!!!

1. It was the death of a dreamer!!

2. Sure. But I like Olivia Williams, therefore it rocked. Although calling Olivia to make her shoot two scenes was a little bit weird.

3. Cool. I hope movie Rogue gets stucked with her powers forever just to learn not to be a coward that bows her head for a stupid boy.:evilangry

[Dazzler]

She does in the book. Callisto pulls out a knife, and tries to kill Storm while they're flailing around, beating on each other in mid-air. Storm uses her control of the winds to whip the knife out of Callisto's hand into hers, and then Callisto looks down in shock to see the knife in her chest. :)

that is one of the BEST scenes in X-history! they really should have worked that in somehow...it was the first time i ever said, "Whoa...Storm's more hardcore than i thought...."

Paul Smith's pencils don't hurt either.

Halle Berry didn't make me sad in this one. but she does seem to have a perpetually confused look on her face.

--Dazz

[xmanson]

1. It was the death of a dreamer!!

2. Sure. But I like Olivia Williams, therefore it rocked. Although calling Olivia to make her shoot two scenes was a little bit weird.

3. Cool. I hope movie Rogue gets stucked with her powers forever just to learn not to be a coward that bows her head for a stupid boy.:evilangry

Rogue's power should come back while having sex with Iceman. Talk about a mood killer.

[Beast]

Rofgue's power should come back while having sex with Iceman. Talk about a mood killer.
Exactly. But it would be better if Bobby and Piotr hook up now, and leave poor powerless Rogue and Kitty all alone. Bobby only wanted Rogue because he was gay, and she's the perfect beard... a girl you can't touch. :D

[xmanson]

How about movie Colossus and movie Kitty?

Please, don't let Whedon near the movie!!!!!

[Beast]

How about movie Colossus and movie Kitty?

Please, don't let Whedon near the movie!!!!!
Nah. Movie Colossus was supposedly gay. There were rumors that it was supposed to be mentioned in the movie before it came out, but it doesn't look like they kept that plan.

[xmanson]

Nah. Movie Colossus was supposedly gay. There were rumors that it was supposed to be mentioned in the movie before it came out, but it doesn't look like they kept that plan.


Angel was pretty gay.

Maybe the actor himself, not the character.

[bounusball75]

I'm going to see it again, just so I can catch everything in full this time.

[Crimson]

My parents pointed something out to me... why didn't Wolverine just stab her with the cure instead of killing her?

It makes sense, seeing as in the film it was her mutation not the Phoenix Force.

[Beast]

My parents pointed something out to me... why didn't Wolverine just stab her with the cure instead of killing her?

It makes sense, seeing as in the film it was her mutation not the Phoenix Force.
She would have obliterated the syringe, like she was doing everything else. Like Logan's clothing. The only thing that kept him going was having an Adamantium Skeleton (due to it's density, meaning Jean couldn't just vaporize Logan in one shot), and his healing factor. It's clearer in the novel.

[Crimson]

She would have obliterated the syringe, like she was doing everything else. Like Logan's clothing. The only thing that kept him going was having an Adamantium Skeleton (due to it's density, meaning Jean couldn't just vaporize Logan in one shot), and his healing factor. It's clearer in the novel.

Oh right, I wasn't sure about the Adamantium... I was wondering why, if she wanted to, she didn't just peel it from his bones.

[lawman]

Yes. Breakneck editing. That's why I said it needed about 20 minutes more for characterization and breathing space between scenes. You barely get into one scene, before you're suddenly hit over the head with another.
Not just quick: also just generally hamfisted, with no tonal transition between scenes. There's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem there, too, since movie length is to some extent determined by marketing needs. IOW, once the PTB saw what they had in the can and realized there was just no way this movie would be as good as the previous ones, one might surmise there was considerable pressure to edit it down to the shortest possible length, so as to maximize the possible number of first-weekend screenings before the negative buzz begins to eat into box-office returns. When a movie clearly has legs -- i.e., it's good enough to keep drawing audiences over time -- it's a lot easier to get away with additional screen minutes. Sadly, given the script and directing at work here, there was basically no chance at all of earning that "extra 20 minutes."

If big name Halle Berry says she'd like to be back, let her, if it gets a 4th made then cool.
Of course I'd want Sinister or Apocalypse in it. i've had enough Mageto for a while.
So let me get this straight -- a fourth movie, featuring the one actress almost everyone agrees is wrong for her role, but not featuring the one actor who's given a standout performance in every installment so far, is something you would for some reason want to see?...

Overall, it was an enjoyable film, but I could see too many of the wires.
Well put. (It's odd how some fans will cry bloody murder when they can "see the wires" in SFX scenes, yet are all too ready to forgive when the basic mechanics of storytelling are handled that amateurishly.)

[Deathstroke]

Hey was that Deadpool fighting Wolverine at Alcatraz.???.The one who kept growing his arms back untill Wolverine kicked him in the nads???? " Grow those back!!!!!" :D

Oh damn, that's right. The audience I was in burst out laughing at that one. I plum forgot about the line.

[the gypsy Naemah]

The chick with the piercing and the tatoo on her cheek, as far as I know that wasn't Psylocke, it was Callisto. I could be wrong though.

-Jessica

[Deathstroke]

She's already started flip-flopping!? Jesus christ! She just said that there's no way she'd come back for a fourth one, and now she said that she does want to come back for a 4th. That's it, from now on Halle Berry will henceforth be known as 'The Waffle Queen'. Since she can't stop waffling. :mad:

Well, she probably figures with the character deaths, she's bound to be getting more screen time/stuff to do in a potential fourth movie.

[Beast]

Well, she probably figures with the character deaths, she's bound to be getting more screen time/stuff to do in a potential fourth movie.
Just name the movie Storm, and get it over with. She was already in 90% of the film now.

[Deathstroke]

i actually think the Hulk is a good movie with solid filmmaking. Elektra is better than Daredevil by far. It's actually better than the crappy Fantastic Four by far as well. *shrug* I don't think many people even watched it enough to give an opinion anyway.

Shadowcat was neat-o. They should give her her own movie. ;)


--Dazz

Other than Beast, I think the general consensus on the characters this time around will have Kitty Pryde coming out the best. Ellen Page, though limited in screen time, did a great job I thought. Funny kind of parallel, she calls Juggernaut a dickhead in this movie and in the other movie Ellen Page is in she cuts off the guy's dick.

[Deathstroke]

Garth Franklin posted a very even-toned review which I agree with prettyy much completely: http://www.darkhorizons.com/reviews/xmen3n.php


...except for the lack of any flippin' flaming, avian avatars, dammit! I'm just sayin'...! Oh Bryan Singer, why have you forsaken us???

Really good review, but I liked Kitty's small role.

[Deathstroke]

3. Cool. I hope movie Rogue gets stucked with her powers forever just to learn not to be a coward that bows her head for a stupid boy.:evilangry

I wasn't too keen on the idea that Rogue thought so little of Bobby by saying "You're a guy Bobby, you've only got one thing on your mind."

[Deathstroke]

Rogue's power should come back while having sex with Iceman. Talk about a mood killer.

Would that make her technically frigid? :D

[Hi-Fi]

I wasn't too keen on the idea that Rogue thought so little of Bobby by saying "You're a guy Bobby, you've only got one thing on your mind."

Well, there's the fact that she was, you know...right.

Bobby holding Kitty's hand in the funeral when Rogue was standing right there! WTF?? He pratically stabbed her with the cure himself.

You weren't suppose to be so weak, Rogue.

[Beast]

Rogue's power should come back while having sex with Iceman. Talk about a mood killer.
Maybe in X4, Rogue can be having a lesbian affair with Ms. Marvel when her powers come back. :D

[Zombienorthstar]

Well, there's the fact that she was, you know...right.

Bobby holding Kitty's hand in the funeral when Rogue was standing right there! WTF?? He pratically stabbed her with the cure himself.

You weren't suppose to be so weak, Rogue.


Thats why i think in X4 she should go bad when her powers come back...then she can join mystiques brotherhood and we can finally see a mother/daughter relationship of sorts and a gambit relationship.

HURRAY!

[Sean Whitmore]

Can I ask the anti-Halle faction a question?

When the first movie came out, I can understand criticizing her performance and being disappointed that she didn't act like Storm from the comics.

But we're on the third one now, and in each one Halle has acted like Movie Storm, which she's supposed to do. How can anyone criticize her for staying in-character for the last two movies?

Wouldn't it be extra stupid for her to be in the third film and SUDDENLY pop off with lines like, "Rise, winds, and cleanse the earth of villainy!"


SEAN

[Crimson]

Maybe in X4, Rogue can be having a lesbian affair with Ms. Marvel when her powers come back. :D

Hey, you've sold me on the idea of X4 Beast!:D

[Deathstroke]

Well, there's the fact that she was, you know...right.

Bobby holding Kitty's hand in the funeral when Rogue was standing right there! WTF?? He pratically stabbed her with the cure himself.

You weren't suppose to be so weak, Rogue.

I can't be sure, but I thought he was holding Rogue's hand at the same time. That doesn't play into anything. Their mentor died, Kitty was upset, and the hand holding thing was meant as a comforting gesture. Iceman wouldn't scam at a funeral I'd say.

I'm still pissed about Rogue taking the cure though. I mean technically, she really doesn't belong at the school anymore.

[Deathstroke]

Maybe in X4, Rogue can be having a lesbian affair with Ms. Marvel when her powers come back. :D

Well, there's a visual....:evilsmile

[Erinyes]

I just saw it! I have to say I loved it! There were ofcourse some problems, namely the theater was sold out so I had to sit on the front row, not a good angle cause it made everyone look like they had fat faces.
My biggest complaint with this movie, like all of the franchise, is that its too tied to the "real world" and with the changes to continuity from the first movies you have to keep that feel and characters and plot are going to suffer for it. Could this movie have been better? Yes. But so could the other two. If they had decided not to tie this franchise to the real world we could have seen the Dark Pheonix Saga like it was intended, a great intergalactic operatic story instead we got what we got. That problem is more of a conceptual problem than a scripting or even directorial problem.
What I loved about this film:
Jean/Pheonix: Famke worked it out! I love that she has such a subtle acting technique, if you are looking for big dramatic moments, she has them but only because she underplays them. She always has in her other work and thats why she especially gives one hell of performance here. She was able to convey alot without saying much.
Beast: That final battle scene was amazing! His roar into action, made me feel like I was watching the Whedon/Cassidy Beast. Kelsy surely showed everyone why he was the number one choice for this role.
Wolverine: Hate the character in the comics, love him on film.
Kitty Pryde: sadly my actress who was up for the role didn't get the role, but man this girl was GOOD! Loved everything about her!
Juggernaut: AWESOME!
Magneto: another reason there is a SIR infront of Ian's name.
The fight sequences were amazing! You give me a good powerfilled brawl and I am going to like it. I am easy that way.
Dislikes
Storm: when did she become southern? Halle can't keep an accent to save her life. Other than that she was pretty good.
Rogue: hated her in the first two, hated her in this one. Granted she is a hard character to translate to film, she really didn't do it for me. I think another actress would have made it better.
Phoenix: granted I loved the performance I was let down that there was no raptor. It came close in the house scene. She was radiating light and had some fire around her, but no raptor.
Sorry for the long post as there is tons of things I would love to say about the movie, likes and dislikes. I left most of them off and just went with what really affected me. To end it all I really think they could do a fourth film and if box office is as big as I think it will be, they might be tempted. Plus they got rid of some of the budget bloat by only really keeping three of the larger salaries.
Thom
Oh yeah if its not clear, I work in actor representation/agency work. I tend to focus on acting more than anything else.

[lawman]

Garth Franklin posted a very even-toned review which I agree with prettyy much completely: http://www.darkhorizons.com/reviews/xmen3n.php
Interesting. Franklin writes, "[Singer] also displayed a better understanding of emotional impact and character on screen than Ratner does, and is able to infuse a more genuine sense of pathos, humour and respect for these characters. Singer's films were filled with little lines and references that implied a much bigger world and backstory to explore - subtle references unfortunately lost in 'The Last Stand'.

Ratner on the other hand is a crowd pleaser, a man with a better understanding of big scale action, cinematic visuals and the elements that are pleasing to the majority rather than the fans... General audiences though will find his take more relaxed and easy to enjoy than the somewhat stuffy heaviness that came with Singer's approach, even if the film lacks the smarts and emotional weight that the previous ones had.
This seems to me a fairly accurate summation of what X3 is missing, but Franklin describes it in a way that suggests it's somehow okay by virtue of being incredibly condescending to "general audiences." He implies that comics fans are somehow the only ones who'd care about "backstory," "smarts," and "emotional weight" -- which suggest a low opinion of most moviegoers that's especially odd given that he himself, as he points out at the start of the review, is not a comics fan.

IMHO these elements -- the ones that Ratner doesn't manage -- are essential for any movie to work, comic-book-based or not. Without them, all you have are a lot of big action setpieces with cardboard characters moving around between them. (See any recent James Bond movie for examples. Sound and fury signifying nothing.)

[bakla]

Can I ask the anti-Halle faction a question?

When the first movie came out, I can understand criticizing her performance and being disappointed that she didn't act like Storm from the comics.

But we're on the third one now, and in each one Halle has acted like Movie Storm, which she's supposed to do. How can anyone criticize her for staying in-character for the last two movies?

Wouldn't it be extra stupid for her to be in the third film and SUDDENLY pop off with lines like, "Rise, winds, and cleanse the earth of villainy!"


SEAN
It's not the scripts - you seem to be mimicking the cartoon with that line and I long gave up the ghost that I would see the comic book Storm realized. I think Halle was better here, but really, I've learned to live with her, and living with her means that I'm not positively affected by her performance. I personally don't think Ian McKellen is what I have in mind as Magneto, for example, but I LOVED his performances in all three movies. Hollow Berry has no screen presence for me, no believability. She made the role what she made it, and what she made it, I don't care for. I would be more than happy to see another actress try and even fail at being Storm than to see her do what she's done - ineffectively, for me - for the past three movies. Because at least, we would try for an improvement. She's had three chances. I still don't care for her in the role.

The irony is, while it was horrible movie, I actually liked Halle as Catwoman. Cheesy as it was, I got her performance there more than here.

[Erinyes]

I just looked over my post and sorry for the rampant lack of correct spelling! If I knew how to edit my first post I would. Sorry, I do know how to spell I promise.
Thom

[bakla]

IMHO these elements -- the ones that Ratner doesn't manage -- are essential for any movie to work, comic-book-based or not. Without them, all you have are a lot of big action setpieces with cardboard characters moving around between them. (See any recent James Bond movie for examples. Sound and fury signifying nothing.)

Isn't that the point, really? A blockbuster often doesn't have to have anything more than big action set pieces to make money, implying that's what people/"general audiences" want to see. Anything more is just a plus. Sadly.

[Uncle Nobs]

I just looked over my post and sorry for the rampant lack of correct spelling! If I knew how to edit my first post I would. Sorry, I do know how to spell I promise.
Thom
At the bottom of your post, you'll see an 'EDIT' button. Click it and do whatchalike. Or don't. Your call.

Welcome to the boards, by the way!

[kuja81]

Wow, good Lord.. X-3 was just confirmed to have a $44.2 million opening day. That makes it the highest opening Friday EVER! Wow..

[MakeshiftHero]

I know it's been asked but does anyone know who the guy who kept growing his arms back when Logan kept cutting them off was supposed to be? Or is he just someone they made for the movie?

[Sean Whitmore]

Wow, good Lord.. X-3 was just confirmed to have a $44.2 million opening day. That makes it the highest opening Friday EVER! Wow..


Neat. Maybe this'll stop so many naïve reviewers from claiming, "This really is the last one ever!"

I mean for crissakes, people, they're doing sequels to Basic Instinct and Road House...


SEAN

[90'sCartoonMan]

Bobby holding Kitty's hand in the funeral when Rogue was standing right there! WTF?? He pratically stabbed her with the cure himself.

You weren't suppose to be so weak, Rogue.

I was expecting not to like Iceman for how he treated Rogue, but after seeing the movie, Iceman didn't make any advances on Kitty whatsoever. It was more like Bobby was her older brother trying to cheer her up in tough times. Then Rogue has to go and be jealous. She was handled poorly. She told Wolverine that she wasn't doing this for some boy. If that were true, we would've seen other areas of her life that were difficult (like maybe wearing clothes that didn't expose so much skin?), and the scene where she held Bobby's hand would've meant something.

Cyclops was punked too because it was obvious they preferred Wolverine and that's why he got the whole story with Jean and Xavier (note how Cyclops just gives in to Jean while Wolverine has enough strength of character to know something is up). It was sad, really, that Xavier dismisses Cyclops like that (and no one really wonders what happened to him until later). Scott was a bad character because they wrote him in a way where we don't care what happens to him.

Wolverine and Storm were okay, but they could've had less time so we'd see more of the others. Beast and Magneto were probably the two given the best attention. I REALLY loved Beast, which is one of the few good things I can say about this movie.

It felt really Hollywood. Short in time, mostly action, a lot that didn't mean anything (The only reason a handful of X-Men fared so well against Magneto's forces was because they didn't even seem like they had significant powers). Plus bad lines and cheesy effects here and there.

I could turn off my need to be a fan with Juggernaut, I liked him, it didn't matter that he's not a mutant or related to Xavier. But with Jean? The mental blocks were interesting, but...why even call yourself the Phoenix if you're not going to have any bird imagery or fire? Poor follow up to X2.

Of course, there were some good fan moments, like Madrox's shirt, "Oh my stars and garters", and Bobby's iced up form. I appreciated those.

All in all I have to say I was underwhelmed. A lot of you seem to be basing your opinions on what was being set up for the next movie. Even if there is going to be a fourth, I have to take this one as it is, and there were just too many things unsatisfying about it.

I know it's been asked but does anyone know who the guy who kept growing his arms back when Logan kept cutting them off was supposed to be? Or is he just someone they made for the movie?

Was I the only one who thought Wolverine was fighting Ape?

[Sean Whitmore]

Cyclops was punked too because it was obvious they preferred Wolverine and that's why he got the whole story with Jean and Xavier


Wasn't it more about Masden not being available for the whole movie? I thought there was some controversy about that at one point. I'm honestly surprised he was in it at all (the actor, not the character).


(note how Cyclops just gives in to Jean while Wolverine has enough strength of character to know something is up).


I don't think strength of character had anything to do with it. Jean kissing Logan like that is abnormal behavior for her, so he knew something was up. Jean kissing Scott like that was absolutely normal, so he had no reason to be suspicious.


The mental blocks were interesting, but...why even call yourself the Phoenix if you're not going to have any bird imagery or fire?


I didn't care about the lack of fire effect, but you're right, calling herself Phoenix without it is kinda random. But still, can you imagine the crapstorm that would have resulted if the name Phoenix was never mentioned in the film? Half of the fanboys in the world would've died of aneurisms before they reached their blogs to complain. :D


SEAN

[bounusball75]

Truth be told they just should have left the phoenix saga outa this movie. I mean if your not gunna do it right don't do it at all.

[lawman]

Isn't that the point, really? A blockbuster often doesn't have to have anything more than big action set pieces to make money, implying that's what people/"general audiences" want to see. Anything more is just a plus. Sadly.
Well, there's a difference between what it takes to make money, and what it takes to make a good movie. Speaking as a viewer, I want more than just spectacle.

Are there ticket buyers who are satisfied with that alone? Sure, more's the pity. But I still wouldn't agree with Franklin that the distinction is drawn along comics-fan/non-fan lines...

[Sean Whitmore]

Something just occured to me...

What the heck was Juggernaut doing in jail in the first place? Who could've possibly caught him??


SEAN

[Ontir]

A question that could have been answered with a few lines of dialogue between he and Magneto. If they'd known each other, it could be assumed that Magneto and Charles had caged that particular beast - maybe even with the help OF the Beast, at an earlier date!

[Nightcrawler]

Like people have been saying, everyone important that got knocked as an avenue to come back-

Xavier- if you stayed past the credits, you saw him talking to Moira through the body of the guy who had no conscious.

Cyclops- never saw him die

Mystique and Mags- cure might be temporary, based on the scene with Mags and the chess piece.

Jean- should stay dead.

[The Fury]

Something just occured to me...

What the heck was Juggernaut doing in jail in the first place? Who could've possibly caught him??


SEAN
The guy needs sleep right?

[Sean Whitmore]

The guy needs sleep right?


And they picked his sleepy ass up and locked him in an armored car without him waking? ;)


SEAN

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I have to say that I loved this movie. The special effects were amazing. The way they portrayed Jean/Phoenix has to be my favorite incarnation to date.


And I loved the last scene with magneto. that was awesome.

[DHX]

X3 was soooooooooo worth it.

i went to see it with my mom

i loved every bit of it

she loved every bit of it

she was absolutely shocked when pheonix offed xavier and was saddened by what happened to mystique and she deffinetly loved the juggernaut. also she didnt even realise that the beast was kelsey and the juggernaut was vinnie jones to me that says that they did something very very right

[Deathstroke]

Something just occured to me...

What the heck was Juggernaut doing in jail in the first place? Who could've possibly caught him??


SEAN


Ladies and Gentlemen, please ignore the gaping plot hole behind the curtain.

[Nero the Warlord]

That movie just left you feeling empty and they just kill off main characters like they're extras.

For one, too many main characters "die". I put die in quotation marks because their deaths are all pretty open ended and lame. If they want to kill off a character and then bring them back in the next movie or something I can see that, but three main characters?

Cyclops deserves at the very least to be seen dying like a man and not some pitiful version of himself who isn't even able to make it on the silver screen when he actually dies. I'm still not certain he's even dead since it wasn't shown. I kept waiting for him to show up but he never did.

Jean Grey - in this movie is supposedly the most powerful mutant in the world so you'd think she can not possibly die at the hands of Wolverine. Wolvie is badass yes.. but come on. The Phoenix would chew him up and spit him out.

Professor X - sacrificing his body and transferring his conciousness just leaves questions about how he will come back. Will he be able to walk with this new body? Does he share it with the apparently brain dead man on some kind of level? Is this brain dead man a mutant? If he doesn't have the mutant gene, won't the Professor lose all of his psychic abilities? A walking Prof X with multiple personalities and no powers is just stupid and a total defilement of his character.


On to Rogue giving up her powers to be with Iceman because she's jealous of Kitty Pryde. Dumb idea, it's only redeeming quality is that the "cure" apparently seems to be only temporary, but she would've been served much better simply draining Jean Grey's power and bringing the Phoenix to an end. I've also been waiting for her to find Ms. Marvel drain her powers and become the Rogue we all knew from Saturday morning cartoons, but of course that didn't happen.

Same thing goes with Magneto losing his powers. Some bad guys are just meant for greatness in the comic book hall of fame. He is the epitome of a magnificent foe, for him to lose his powers is just a slap in the face to the character, thank God it seems only temporary. He's gonna be one pissed off mutie if there is another movie.... which there bloody well better be.

[Zengei]

My thoughts, copy and pasted from another forum:

*** SPOILERS - AVOID MY ENTIRE POST - SPOILERS ***

Where to begin? I don't know but overall this film left me terribly unsatisfied, it could have been done so much better. At the end of X2 as the Phoenix figure rose out of the water I was on the edge of my seat waiting for it to appear and then bam! "Bryan Singer" splashed across the screen. It was an awful tease to the fans but it made me excited at the end, I wanted more X-Men and couldn't wait for X3 to come out. 3 years later and X3 has come out, except at the end of X3 I wasn't on the edge of my seat getting excited for X4.

PLOT & SCRIPT

X3 had a great premise: a combination of the classic Dark Phoenix Saga and the gene-shaking possibility of a mutant cure. Each of these could make an entire movie themselves but they both become background in X3. Phoenix? She barely does anything! Cure? A simple plot device to depower some pesky mutants. The power of the Phoenix and the ethical ramifications of the cure are nearly absent from the film.

The script was also lacking. I found the best and most convincing dialog in the film to be between Wolverine and Professor X as they discuss the mental blocks placed on Jean's powers. In X2, the dialog was sharp, witty, and most importantly: meaningful. The dialog in X3 seemed and acted like filler for the action scenes.

And the entire plot seemed far too compressed, there were huge leaps that needed filling. For example, Magneto recruits Callisto, Quill, Arclight, and apparently Psylocke but we never see how they go from being mutant rabble into people willing to kill without remorse. In X2 we see that transition in Pyro. He's already a troubled kid and Magneto basically promises to make him a god ("You're a god among insects, don't let anyone ever tell you otherwise"). Where was the turning point for those characters?

It is a crying shame that Bryan Singer and his team left for Superman Returns. Singer took with him his directing talents, his writers' talents, his editor's talents, and his cinematographer's talents and it shows in X3. All Brett Ratner had to do to make a decent flick on par with X1 was keep the same feel of the first two movies. But X3 felt entirely different and I'm certain it's because of the lack of Singer's creative team. If they do an X4 I can only hope and pray Singer & Co come back, at least do not bring back Ratner. They should have used Chris Claremont (as a writer) or Joss Whedon (as a writer/director), both of those guys are A) good writers B) dying to write an X-Men flick. Both of them probably have dozens of drafts of X-Men movies, heck, Whedon even wrote a script for X1. At least they could get rid of horrible clichéd expressions and one-liners like: "I knew you would come here" -Phoenix and "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" -President. The lines in X2 were much more memorable.

And where were the opening and closing monologues?? Those were a staple of the first two movies, a tradition that should have carried on into X3.

(And what the hell was up with all the headshot zooms, Ratner??)

And oh yes, the deaths. I don't like killing characters off unless it'll have some kind of effect. Did the death of Cyclops, Xavier, and Jean really do much for the story? I don't think so. The characters in the movie weren't even all that distressed over Cyclops death, is the audience supposed to be? Spoiler for Serenity: I remember when Wash died. It was unexpected and jarring, that was a good death, it had a noticable effect on the characters, and the audience felt it too.

CHARACTERS & PERFORMANCE

I can't really say anything bad about the actors. They all did a good job in the roles they had and the script that was given. Let me just point out a few things about the characters in the script:

Professor X: Xavier was probably the best characterized…character in X3. His struggle with mental-blocking Jean, his surety in his decision, and his anger were done nicely.

Cyclops: Ugh, they made him an emo-boy again. It sucks that Cyclops is never shown as a real leader of the X-Men.

Mystique: One of the best characters is the movie. Taunting a guard by shape-shifting into the president and a little girl is something Mystique would do. Only issue I had with Mystique was the line "I don't respond to my slave name" (or whatever is was). It makes no sense to me, "slave"? Slave of what? Slave of who? A slave is a person that is forced to work, are they implying something about Mystique's past? I think a better line would have been: "That name was given to me by people that would have me killed; I don't respond to it."

Phoenix: For a movie that's supposed to be about the Dark Phoenix she doesn't exactly do much to advance the plot in anyway. Phoenix was a major let down. And why exactly does she go with Magneto?

Magneto's Henchmen: Quill? Quill? QUILL? Just a waste of a henchman. Callisto? Her new found ability to sense other mutants was just a really, really, really, convenient plot device. Her superspeed powers are also wasted (just use Quicksilver dammit). Arclight? Meh. Psylocke…poor, poor, Psylocke. Femme fetal, hot as a British white chick, hot as a British Asian chick. Awesome telepathy, awesome telekenisis, awesome psiblades/katana, and we see her all of two times and not even with a psiblade.

Angel: Throw away character. The rather shocking opening scene with him set him up to be a major player but he could have easily be written out of the entire script without changing much of anything.

ACTION & EFFECTS

Even the action sequences were a let down. :(

I honestly thought the best action was with Mystique when she was being interrogated. The climatic battle wasn't all that exciting. The faceless, nameless "pawns" charge in like they're fighting in the 16th century only to be taken down rapidly by faceless, nameless military personnel. Powers were not used creatively at all, this is especially evident with Storm. Fog and lightning is all she does! In X2 she created hundreds of twisters! And Wolverine…poor, poor Wolverine. He's got these ferocious claws but he seems rather docile in X3. Remember when he first popped his claws in X2? It was to impale a guy through the chest against a refrigerator! He sliced guns in half, and stabbed a guy in the foot, which was rather painful to watch. His fight with Deathstrike was absolutely brutal and people loved it. Wolverine's fighting in X3 was bland and only against thugs. The "war" as Magneto called it felt cramped and more like a Zerg rush than actual fighting.

The action also suffered from too many characters. Well…not really. The number of mutant characters was good but they weren't dealt with well. I know it's not possible to make every character shine all the time but X3's solution was terrible. X3 showed the characters all the time but didn't make them shine whereas X2 didn't show the characters all the time but did make them shine. For example: Nightcrawler and Deathstrike in X2. Everyone was impressed with Nightcrawler's opening scene, it did a wonderful job of showcasing the fuzzy blue elf's powers. It lasted only a few minutes but it was all about Nightcrawler, no one else mucking about in the background. Deathstrike said one line in all of X2 ("What are you doing here?") and didn't have any action until the end of the movie, but the buildup to her final act was felt and when she fought it was excellent and did justice to the character. In X3 we don't get these "spotlights," the closest we get is the Iceman/Pyro fight which was completely unimaginative. It's not the fact that it's water vs. fire, that's expected, it's the fact that the fight is basically something you would see in Dragonball Z, a struggle with beams of energy (or in the case of X3: fire and ice).

And where the hell is the Phoenix?? Xavier said Jean's other personality called itself "the Phoenix," for someone unaccustomed with the comics how confusing would that be? "Uh, why did she call herself the Phoenix?" I was hoping beyond hope that I would see a giant fire bird, it never happened. The really unnecessary Golden Gate Bridge scene could have been scrapped in exchange for a giant bird of fire, dammit! (And why the hell is it near dusk during the bridge scene and then pitch black darkness in the "war"?)

CONCLUSION

These were the best moments of the film for me: All of Mystique's scenes, Phoenix vs. Xavier in the house, Multiple Man tricking the soldiers, Juggernaut's one-liners, and Beast swing around a pole (the only real display of his superhuman agility). Like I said this movie was "meh" as a regular movie, average as a comic book movie. X1 was good/great and X2 was great/phenomenal (regular/comic book). It could have stood to be half an hour longer. If X3 stood by itself it would be forgivable, like the Hulk, but the fact that it's the direct successor to the awesomeness of X2 is a huge let down and disappointment. I look forward to the Wolverine and Magneto prequels and hopefully Ratner & Co. will be no where near them.

[Eumastas]

ennhhhhh, it was alright, the one part when juggernaut says dont you knwo who i am, i'm the juggernaut b!tch that was good, did they get that from this movie? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3934651591022114445&q=juggernaut

[Sandoz]

And they picked his sleepy ass up and locked him in an armored car without him waking? ;)


SEAN
Tranquilizers. Lots and lots of tranquilizers.

[Will.S]

I just came back from the movie and I absolutely enjoyed it.

My only problem was that Cyclops was killed off which really sucked. While the the scene where Jean kills him was pulled off relatively well as being pretty powerful scene, killing him off just feels so wrong, I mean he's Mr. X-Men for God's sake. Had he been there throughout the movie it would have felt like a more "right" cast of X-Men. Not that I didn't love the people picked here, they were all terrific, but I felt that they sort of lacked a direction that would have beneffited from Cyclops as a leader himself.

That said, I LOVED Kelsey's Beast. He pulled off the character magnificently as well as the action and acrobatics which looked great even if it probably wasn't him in those sequences. Plus the scene where he hung upside down was gold and I almost couldn't believe that they put in the "Oh my stars and garters" line. All the other characters I was pretty satisfied with, Iceman was great since he finally iced up and doesn't cheat on Rogue or anything. Kitty was really good and I thought was up to her comic standards. Colossus was unfortunately the most quiet throughout the film but he has some badass fights in his armored form and was always good to have around for the trademark fastball special. I only wished they he and Wolverine had a more heartfelt connection like in the comics as well as when Wolverine had it with Nightcrawler which didn't show in X2 either. The Kitty/Peter relationship would have been interesting to see too but oh well.

Angel wasn't really used all that much but he made for a cool visual representation of a mutant and I liked the whole cure angle they used with him and his dad. I'd like it for him to continue the X-Men legacy if there was ever a future movie.

As for Wolverine I liked where they took him. While it was odd to see him so leader'like he had some great scenes with Magneto and his fight scenes were pretty satisfying. Juggernaut thrashing him around was pretty cool and makes sense. My favorite part particularly of the end was when Phoenix was trying to burn him away but kept healing with the neat adamantium bones and muscles showing. It had a VERY Morrison'y feel to the scene, even up until the part where Wolverine kills her. The burned off top part of the costume was another nice touch that reminded me of the way Phil Jimenez drew him. Can't forget Logan's funny lines either, especially when he kicked the dude in the balls heheh.

I was surprised at how much I didn't mind Halle Berry's Storm in the movie, she carried the movie along with Wolverine quite well, especially the great scene where they find that the Phoenix disintegrated Xavier. BTW I think Famke was at her best here since she had more playing room and range to her character switching to both sides (GREAT dark phoenix effects too).

Thankfully at least movieverse wise, it looks like the character will stay dead.

As far as the villains go Magneto and crew made for some really good enemies. Mags himself already had an amazing amount of character built into him from the previous movies thanks to Singer and McKellen but the relationship with Xavier was beautifully pulled off, even his regret of having Phoenix kill him which was just a brilliant scene since he was so powerless there. He had tons of good things to do throughout the movie and I almost felt bad for him in the end chessgame since Charlie wasn't there to provide him a challenge. Neat touch of having him strategize by playing "chess" with the mutant soldiers. Callisto is totally not the character we know from the comics but I still liked her as a henchwoman and she served her purpose quite well if anything for a good Storm fight and she was also....hot. Pyro was another well utilized villain and I liked that they continued his "arc" from the previous movie so the confrontation between himself and Iceman was fun alongside the parts where Pyro sticks up for Magneto.

Juggernaut was awesome, I didn't think the muscle suit would look good in the movie but it looks really good and Vinnie Jones makes the character the one we've known and loved over the years but adds his own nuances to the role. It was really odd to see the "I'm the Juggernaut BITCH!" line there since it started off as an internet joke but it's still a great line. Mystique continued to shine from the first two movies until her eventual de-powerment which had Magneto be a really big bastard and was totally something I could see him do. Multiple Man had a REALLY great and funny use in the forest and I dug that they kept in the trademark multiple man symbol on his shirt. Arclight, Quill and Pyslocke weren't really that well used until they were in Jean's home and in the end battle really.

I didn't mind the Danger Room sequence, I was just glad it was there even if we didn't really see the Sentinel and it makes sense to include it overall to show that the students were training for the stuff at the end. They all used some particularly cool teamwork in the way they defeated both Juggernaut and Magneto and they pulled all the stops with the special effects, especially the fantastic Golden Gate Bridge relocation.

All in all, Cyclops problem aside, a very satisfying end to the X-movies and I enjoyed the heck out of how much they got right from the key characters.

4 out of 5 stars

[SoonerSean]

Saw it today and while I enjoyed it overall... the problem with the X-movies is that they simply haven't been given a sufficient budget. Imagine an X-movie with the budget that they gave to a piece of drek like Posiedon. Imagine seeing at least ONE Sentinel in the Danger Room scene instead of just a pair of eyes and then a head.

Imagine seeing tons of powers during the fight scenes instead of an army of face-less/name-less muties that charge into Beast and Wolverine only to get wiped out. How about some of them throwing flames, or electricity, or something instead of hand-to-hand fighting?

Instead of the "war", I'd have trimmed down The Brotherhood to a dozen or so mutants and shown them using their powers all over the place. Instead we got bits and pieces that just seemed to confirm that this movie was done cheaply or rushed. How you can rush a sequel to a movie that came out as far back as X-2 is beyond me.

Again, I enjoyed it... but it came up far short of what it could have been and I think it was all in the execution.

Imagine a Jim Cameron X-movie that takes place on Geonsha with the Extinction story-line from the mid-80's (all the cool Jim Lee military equipment). Or giant Sentinels storming the country hunting down mutants. Or the underground stuff. Or a movie focusing on Phoenix/Jean Grey without the "cure" storyline to take up time.

It's good... but not great. Marvel/20th Century Fox - spend the money next time and blow us out of the theater.

[bakla]

Cyclops deserves at the very least to be seen dying like a man and not some pitiful version of himself who isn't even able to make it on the silver screen when he actually dies. I'm still not certain he's even dead since it wasn't shown. I kept waiting for him to show up but he never did.

Yeah, totally agree. To have Cyclops become this shadow of himself then just die was not a hero's death. At least Xavier died fighting.

Jean Grey - in this movie is supposedly the most powerful mutant in the world so you'd think she can not possibly die at the hands of Wolverine. Wolvie is badass yes.. but come on. The Phoenix would chew him up and spit him out.
My thoughts? Jean wanted Wolverine to kill her. That would explain why he was getting psychic calls from her, and why she held back from disintegrating him outright when everyone else was blown to their component atoms in seconds. but it wasn't really well established, her duality and desire to end her own life. in the end, her life was meaningless too because there was no heroism in her death, no self sacrifice. This is one of my main gripes I've discovered since initially posting about what I was disappointed about. The Dark Phoenix saga was about how power corrupts, but how Jean's heroism won out in the end by her self sacrifice. There was no such journey for her character here. It was the Wolverine show.

Professor X - sacrificing his body and transferring his conciousness just leaves questions about how he will come back. Will he be able to walk with this new body? Does he share it with the apparently brain dead man on some kind of level? Is this brain dead man a mutant? If he doesn't have the mutant gene, won't the Professor lose all of his psychic abilities? A walking Prof X with multiple personalities and no powers is just stupid and a total defilement of his character.

Unfortunately, isn't that the state of Professor X in the comics now?

I agree with most of your insights, Nero.

[mybotisgone]

Ok. This is a spoiler link. So don't click here if you don't want to know what happen after the end credits. This Video will tell you. http://youtube.com/watch?v=mPhGi0P3oRE&search=X-Men%20The%20last%20Stand

[BoSoxJay]

For me the ONLY bad thing about this flick was the dialogue. Singer would definitely had stronger dialogue but I liked the story and loved the movie. I was pretty geeked out when I left the theatre which is sad because I'm 35 years old!

Dark Phoenix was hot, sexy and just evil and I loved it. The final scene with all of her power failing against Wolvie's determination, heart, healing factor an, ultimately, adamantium was just so awesome and made me think of the time he had to do the same thing in the comics to Mariko. I also liked how Xavier had an edge "how dare YOU question ME" as he said to Logan when he found out how The Prof had manipulated Jean's mind. Let us not forget what a prick Xavier is from sacrificing Morph so he can hide out and plan for the Z'noxx, to Onsluaght, he has a long history of doing things not usually associated with heroes and I was glad Patrick Stewart got a chance to show that side.

I loved this movie and can't wait to take my son to see it.

[Sean Whitmore]

Ok. This is a spoiler link. So don't click here if you don't want to know what happen after the end credits. This Video will tell you. http://youtube.com/watch?v=mPhGi0P3oRE&search=X-Men%20The%20last%20Stand


Hey, thanks for the link!

Not that I condone that sort of thing. No, no, not at all. :)

Boy, and thank Christ none of the audience I saw the movie with was that loud. Animals!


SEAN

[AceOfSpades]

Hey, thanks for the link!

Not that I condone that sort of thing. No, no, not at all. :)

Boy, and thank Christ none of the audience I saw the movie with was that loud. Animals!


SEAN
yeah.. i saw the movie today... It received my seal of aproval, they coulda done the whole phoenix thing a little better, but we can't have it all
:D

[Will.S]

... the problem with the X-movies is that they simply haven't been given a sufficient budget. Imagine an X-movie with the budget that they gave to a piece of drek like Posiedon. Imagine seeing at least ONE Sentinel in the Danger Room scene instead of just a pair of eyes and then a head.

Imagine seeing tons of powers during the fight scenes instead of an army of face-less/name-less muties that charge into Beast and Wolverine only to get wiped out. How about some of them throwing flames, or electricity, or something instead of hand-to-hand fighting? I don't think the film had any problems budget-wise since pretty much all the special effects were top notch and the set pieces/prosthetics came off pretty good onscreen. It's just the mechanics of their battle was different than the other movies since it's a different kind of team. I don't think one can't really say that they weren't all using their powers to their full extent either because they were given their smaller numbers against the canon fodder numbers of the other mutants.

Both the villains and the heroes were using their powers quite well so I didn't really have the same problems you had with it.

[Sean Whitmore]

Anyone else wonder why no Sabretooth or Toad in this movie? They had no place in X2, but you'd think this time that Magneto would want as many known associates on his side as possible. Sabretooth's at least as handy to have around as Porcupine Man.

For God's sake, don't tell me Tyler Mane or Ray Parks were busy.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

I don't think the film had any problems budget-wise since pretty much all the special effects were top notch and the set pieces/prosthetics came off pretty good onscreen.


There was definitely a lack of budget and/or time apparent to me. Hence, why it suddenly became pitch black out in time to mask the final battle. A couple of Beast's leaps looked pretty bad, and there was apparently a lot more of him jumping around and being agile in the original script. And I think we'd have seen a lot more of Colossus armored up if his final look had met with the director's satisfaction.


SEAN

[R Krippler]

Really enjoyed this movie. I loved how even in the movie Wolverine is the one who has to kill Jean. That scene made dust fall into my eye. It remimded me of how in either Endsong or Morrison's run when Wolverine said that he was tired of killing Jean. Juggs ws like his ultimate incarnation, and as for the questiong of how they caught him, how did they catch him in the UU:confused: . Anyway i am done ranting great movie.

[Will.S]

Anyone else wonder why no Sabretooth or Toad in this movie? They had no place in X2, but you'd think this time that Magneto would want as many known associates on his side as possible. Sabretooth's at least as handy to have around as Porcupine Man.

For God's sake, don't tell me Tyler Mane or Ray Parks were busy. Yeah totally. There was a mutant that stuck to walls that they stuck in there and they could have easily have gotten Toad back as well as Sabertooth to inject at least a bit more personality into the Brotherhood. I guess if they didn't have much to contribute in the script anyway I'm ok with it since I'd rather they leave them out if they weren't using them at all as much as I wanted them back.

There was definitely a lack of budget and/or time apparent to me. Hence, why it suddenly became pitch black out in time to mask the final battle. A couple of Beast's leaps looked pretty bad, and there was apparently a lot more of him jumping around and being agile in the original script. And I think we'd have seen a lot more of Colossus armored up if his final look had met with the director's satisfaction. Eh, it seems more like combo of lack of time and the way the script was written more than any problem with the budget. You can see that they tried to cram as much as they could in there (Sentinel, Danger Room, Dark Phoenix, X-Men's powers and action set pieces) it's just that direction wasn't as tight on things like Beast's jumping which did indeed look more like floating and there wasn't enough development of Colossus's character.

[90'sCartoonMan]

Wasn't it more about Masden not being available for the whole movie? I thought there was some controversy about that at one point. I'm honestly surprised he was in it at all (the actor, not the character).

Yeah, he was unavailable, but look at how much screentime he got in X2. It just seemed like they didn't care about him.





I don't think strength of character had anything to do with it. Jean kissing Logan like that is abnormal behavior for her, so he knew something was up. Jean kissing Scott like that was absolutely normal, so he had no reason to be suspicious.

That's not what was going on in my mind when I saw it. People don't come back from the dead every day, what Scott should've done was immediately rush her to the mansion and have tests done on her, not indulged her in her request to see his eyes (or at least, ya know, don't stand THAT CLOSE to her, what if she was wrong?). Scott was so overcome with grief, he wasn't thinking clearly.

His personality was consistent, I just feel like they made him weak. Like the line he had to Wolverine about healing, he's basically saying he's not as strong as Logan. And again, Xavier pretty much gives up on him.

[Will.S]

His personality was consistent, I just feel like they made him weak. Like the line he had to Wolverine about healing, he's basically saying he's not as strong as Logan. And again, Xavier pretty much gives up on him.
Definitely, I liked the Cyclops from the first two films because he was still a pretty stable character even with Wolverine rubbing him the wrong way. Here it's definitely consistent concerning the past two movies and why he's so distraught but I dunno, I would never have killed him.

Had he survived I think there could have been a good Cyclops/Emma Frost transition for future movies. When you think about it though, at least the movie Cyclops has the dignity of not having to go through really oddball relationships that he's had over the comic years such as with Madelyne Pryor given the fact that he wasn't given the chance to.

Also a few things:

- The reason why Beast, Storm and Wolverine continued with the school was due to mutants like Angel who came to them and had nowhere else to go. It re-invigorated and renewed the hope that there are still mutants that still need the school and that even with Professor X gone, they can carry on his legacy. I just felt that there was more to be read of the scene outside of goofing on it since apparently it seems like too much of a sudden shift to some.

- If you noticed, Phoenix did have a fire effect around her. Not the exact Phoenix bird effect but the flames that she showed in X2 did carry over a bit here. I liked how they straddled the line between a cosmic Phoenix and a very repressed incredibly powerful pyschic gone out of control.

- Pyro DID complete his character progression from X2 to X3 since in X3 he is a full on villain. Liked their whole fire/ice power struggle although I do find the whole DBZ comparison funny. The fight was well executed and I geeked out once Iceman iced up, it's about time it came. Now ice slides!

- Once Cyclops and Xavier were gone, Logan was the only person that was close enough to Jean to have been given the opportunity to kill him and his healing powers work well enough to keep him in the scene given his determination (which we also saw when he clawed his way into Jean's room before Xavier was killed).

Basically the end was sort of a mix of the "Planet X" Jean and Logan that were hurtling towards the Sun which Logan actually mercy killed and the Jean & Wolverine from the "Phoenix Saga" where he also had the opportunity to kill but didn't. I will say that having Scott around would have helped immensely and would have added that missing element of her sacrifice.

[Sean Whitmore]

Definitely, I liked the Cyclops from the first two films because he was still a pretty stable character even with Wolverine rubbing him the wrong way. Here it's definitely consistent concerning the past two movies and why he's so distraught but I dunno, I would never have killed him.


Cyclops kicked ass in the first movie, and even got the most screentime of the non-Wolverine X-Men. Keeping him offscreen for so long in X2 was horrible, but I think by that point it'd already become clear that these movies were about "Wolverine and the X-Men".

As for his death...I think I'd be more pissed about it if I hadn't gotten a year to deal with it. Just gotta except that some character will get the shaft in every adaptation (whether it's Beast in Ultimate X-Men or Hawkman in JLU). And this time around, it was Cyclops who received it.


Basically the end was sort of a mix of the "Planet X" Jean and Logan that were hurtling towards the Sun which Logan actually mercy killed and the Jean/Wolverine from the "Phoenix Saga" where he also had the opportunity to kill but didn't.


I was so thinking "Planet X" during that scene. Great minds, and all that. :)


SEAN

[mybotisgone]

Hey, thanks for the link!

Not that I condone that sort of thing. No, no, not at all. :)

Boy, and thank Christ none of the audience I saw the movie with was that loud. Animals!


SEAN

Well you wecome. But I still think this movie is crap and I still think this eding is crap.

[Will.S]

Cyclops kicked ass in the first movie, and even got the most screentime of the non-Wolverine X-Men. Keeping him offscreen for so long in X2 was horrible, but I think by that point it'd already become clear that these movies were about "Wolverine and the X-Men".

As for his death...I think I'd be more pissed about it if I hadn't gotten a year to deal with it. Just gotta except that some character will get the shaft in every adaptation (whether it's Beast in Ultimate X-Men or Hawkman in JLU). And this time around, it was Cyclops who received it.
The movies could kind of play that whole "there's no body so no death" thing or the resurrection card given a good enough story but yeah I guess it's just a sad thing we'll have to accept regarding Cyclops the movie character. We still have the comics Cyclops anyway (who's come a long way and is really awesome right now) and I think the movies as they have been working all along have at least more finality to their stories.

I was so thinking "Planet X" during that scene. Great minds, and all that. :)
:D

[kloudsurfer]

Saw it last night. I thought it was AWSOME!!!!

Far from perfect from both a fangirl/boy and a non fangirl/boy point of view, but definetly entertaining and one of the best superhero comic book adaptations ive seen.

Im not sure if it was better than the first two, it was certainly more spectacular, but im think it tries to hard to be 'big' and 'dramatic', unlike the first two that just had relatively simple storylines.

Loved:
-Beast: spot on characterisation. And his old school costume was awesome!
-Wolvie fighting that guy whose arms kept growing back
-Kitty was absolutely adorable
-Madrox (especially his tee!)
-Mags reaction to Mystique getting 'cured'. I think it was very appropriate and in character. It was the only cure that was shocking to me
-Rogue taking the 'cure'. It would have been totally lame and unrealistic if she hadn't. Truthfully, if you were in the same position you would take the cure.
-The scene at Jeans house, Prof's death was touching.
-The scene at Alcatraz at the end.
-The woman locking her car door as Mags and his army go past
-The Pyro Iceman fight. So the lines were kinda lame but it was a cool idea.
-Pretty much everything else in the movie that isnt in my Hated list

Hated
-Kitty calling Juggs a dickhead. It sounded really lame and forced.
-Many of the lines and situations seemed awkward and clunky. Like when Mags met Callisto and co. That whole scene felt awkward to me. Some were brilliantly done though.
-The humour and one liners. Most of it was lame and cheesy.
-Why the hell were half the characters even in the movie? Like Collosus and Angel?
-The deaths came to early in the movie. It felt like they leapt right into it too early on. Scotts death wasnt even properly acknowledged. It was just like...'Did you kill Scott?'
-Phoenix in general. She wasnt badass enough. The way she appeared to Scott seemed kinda lame. They could have at least shown here rising from the lake. I liked that Scotts optic blasts 'woke her'.
-Storm. When she flew it looked completely artificial. And she was just plain annoying. Again.What the hell was the point of the scene near the start where her making the weather change causes Xavier to stop teaching his class?!?!!?!? I think it was entirely pointless.
-The Fastball Specials. WTF?

I didnt really mind that wolvie played a huge role, ie being the only one who could get through to Jean. From a non-comic book point of view, based soley on the movies it made perfect sense.

Overall, it felt a bit mish-mashy. Too many characters and storylines, and not enough time to develop any of them. For example, there was almost no conversation about the ethics of the cure. Would have been nice if it was two movies, a dark phoenix one for this movie and then the Cure for X4. But it was still a great movie. Hope they make another.

If they do decide to make a fourth movie, they have dug themselves a bit of a hole. Charlie in some other dudes body? Rogue and Mystique depowered? Jean and Cyke dead?

[Sean Whitmore]

The movies could kind of play that whole "there's no body so no death" thing or the resurrection card given a good enough story


Most definitely. She could have left him half-dead, or wandering the mountains somewhere with his memory erased. And as far as I remember, she never actually said she killed him; everybody else did. Plenty of wriggle room there without a body.

Hell...maybe Apocalypse or Sinister finds and revives him. There's yer goddamn next installment right there, mister!

But if they're not going to do anything with him, then screw it, leave him dead rather than allow him to play second banana to Wolverine all of his life.


SEAN

[Sean Whitmore]

Loved:
-Beast: spot on characterisation. And his old school costume was awesome!
-Kitty was absolutely adorable
-Madrox (especially his tee!)


These three shined above everybody else except McKellan and Stewart. Even though Madrox only had two scenes, I couldn't help but think that that's exactly how Jaime would look and act onscreen.


-The woman locking her car door as Mags and his army go past


Oh, I thought Magneto had locked it. It makes more sense your way. :)


Hated-Kitty calling Juggs a dickhead. It sounded really lame and forced.


Yeah, but his head does totally look like a dick, though.


-Why the hell were half the characters even in the movie? Like Collosus and Angel?


I find that their tiny screentime goes down better if you think of them more as cameos than co-stars, like Iceman in the first film or Siryn in the second.


If they do decide to make a fourth movie, they have dug themselves a bit of a hole. Charlie in some other dudes body? Rogue and Mystique depowered? Jean and Cyke dead?


I've got one name that solves all those problems at once. Sinister!

(although they TOTALLY can't call him that in the movie, I mean for god's sake, it sounds ridiculous)


SEAN

[garydenaldo]

Did anybody else notice the Stepford Cuckoos cameo, in the background in the halls of the mansion?

[kloudsurfer]

Did anybody else notice the Stepford Cuckoos cameo, in the background in the halls of the mansion?
YES!!!!!

After the movie I was like 'OMG did u see the Stepford Cuckoos in the background!?!?!'

...*blank stares*...

'What about that Stan Lee cameo? Did u catch it? He was the guy watering his lawn...'

'...who is Stan Lee?'

Sigh. Note to self, find some comic book reading friends.

[Sean Whitmore]

What scene were the Cuckoos in? I'll look for them when I go see it again.


SEAN

[Will.S]

Did anybody else notice the Stepford Cuckoos cameo, in the background in the halls of the mansion?
I didn't see them, were they credited as such?

Most likely with more viewings we'll be able to catalogue like, every friggin mutant in the movie. I gotta say though, the mutant dude who was giving a speech in the church before Magneto interrupted reminded me an awful lot of Mastermind purely in looks since the guy was so bummy/ugly that it would have been the perfect fit.

[Escron]

Loved the movie! But u cant help but wonder what would it have been like if Joss Whedon directed it...

[90'sCartoonMan]

- If you noticed, Phoenix did have a fire effect around her. Not the exact Phoenix bird effect but the flames that she showed in X2 did carry over a bit here. I liked how they straddled the line between a cosmic Phoenix and a very repressed incredibly powerful pyschic gone out of control.


Yeah, there were some flames, but there was a lot of water too, which was weird to me. I guess they had it because she "died" in a lake, but to me it felt like they used more water effects than fire effects.

[Sean Whitmore]

Loved the movie! But u cant help but wonder what would it have been like if Joss Whedon directed it...


I'll vote for: "gone from theaters in a week."

Dude's got no luck.


SEAN

[Xany Kaos]

Eh. All together, the movie left me with a feeling of "eh." There were times when I was enthralled, like when Beast was fighting, and Jean's freak-out in her house, but largely, I just felt...eh.

Liked

--"D'you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut *****!" I was laughing so hard I was practically hyperventalating for almost a minute. Granted, it's really really horrible, but that's why I was laughing. I just couldn't believe the did it.
--The Juggernaut in general. "Keeps my face pretty." Fun.

--Beast. Kesley Grammer was born to play that role.

--Em...Multiple man wa cool.

--Random Toad cameo.

--Last scene. Again, cheesy as all get-out, but it made me laugh.

Loathed

--Storm. Halle Berry couldn't've been worse. In fact, I think she's gotten worse. Every line was delivered like a sex kitten in a bad porno...it was awful. I mean, she was awful. And her lines were awful: "We work as a team! What you did wasn't team-like because everyone didn't attack at once like dumb-butts!" "They can't cure you! Because there's nothing wrong with you! Even though you can never touch another living being, you're fine!"

--What happened to Mystique. I loved the whole dynamic between Mystique and Magneto. Not necessarily because I like the romantic pairing--I just found it intresting, and maybe, in a really weird way, sweet. They worked so well together. It seems almost...unrealistic for him to just leave her, and hardly look sorry at all. Outrage or at least honest regret or something. Magneto is human--for him to be a completely selfish nut takes away from his character.

--Storm. It bears repeating.

--Magneto's army. W.T.F? Those weren't mutants! They were neo-punks with tribal tattoos. It looked stupid, like something out of Mutant X, or a low-budget Sci-Fi show where they can't spring for decent effects, and it only managed to make me feel like the whole thing was fake. There were hardly any visible physical mutations. Even in the people getting cures--you'd think maybe some of the curees would be pink or green or have extra arms. Nope.
Honestly, the gianormous army would've been a great time to throw some fan-service cameos into the play. How 'bout Callisto? Artie? Blob? Avalanche? Pietro and Wanda? Mastermind?
No. Instead, they all looked like extras from The Matrix: Reloaded. >.<


--Magneto's select army.
----That fast chick? She pissed me off so much. Her looks, her attitude, her two powers that made no sense in relation to one another, and how cheesy her super-speed looked. If I had super-speed, I'd run more than a few meters away to show it off.
---The chick who looked like Prince. a) I honestly could not tell for the longest time whether she was a man or a woman. b)That little curl...was stupid. c) Who was she? Why not someone a little more known, like Avalanche?

--Storm. Again. Words cannot express.

--The hair. Except for Wolverine's which looked stupid, but stupid the way Wolvie's should look. Jean's hair was "came-out-of-a-box" red, without any attempt to make it look natural. Her eyebrows were still black. The heck.
And Storm. Storm's hair. It was horrible. Every time she was on screen, I just kept staring at it, trying to understand why she had black roots. Ugh.


--Storm's angry speech to Rogue. I already mentioned it, but it was one of the stupidest things in the movie.

[MakeshiftHero]

Hey fellas, I know there's a good amount of threads already up about the movie but would it be ok to start a thread about all of the cameo appearances of the different mutants in the movie, cause i had no idea that the stephford girls were in there, also to help clarify what mutant was who, like how somepeople keep calling Spike "Omega Red" And we could keep a list of names and what scene they show up in. would that be ok, or is it just a bad idea?

[Sean Whitmore]

Hey fellas, I know there's a good amount of threads already up about the movie but would it be ok to start a thread about all of the cameo appearances of the different mutants in the movie, cause i had no idea that the stephford girls were in there, also to help clarify what mutant was who, like how somepeople keep calling Spike "Omega Red" And we could keep a list of names and what scene they show up in. would that be ok, or is it just a bad idea?


Somebody beat ya too it. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=126374)


SEAN

[MakeshiftHero]

Somebody beat ya too it. (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=126374)


SEAN
GAHHH WAHHHH!?.....Thanks:)

[Titan76]

The movie was good but I didn't like them killing Xavier, Scott, and Jean again.:rolleyes: We got so much more action in this moive that it beats out the other two combine. But this movie still needs a much bigger buget. I can't believe that FOX is so dam cheap when it comes to the X-men. I mean really, its like their rule is make as cheap as it can be made and make lots of money.:mad: Someone should tell them that you can make a big buget movie and make a lot of money.

And when it came to the Phoenix part of the story this really needed a movie by it self. In no way can you even say that they put anything from the Phoenix Saga in this(expect when Scott look into Jean's eyes with his glasses off). All it had was Jean went evil, killed people, then had Wolverine kill her....right.:rolleyes: The movie was good but you can really tell it was very rushed. If they had more time to do the movie I do believe it would have been so much better.

BTW what do you guys think about the end with Magneto?;)

[Sean Whitmore]

And when it came to the Phoenix part of the story this really needed a movie by it self. In no way can you even say that they put anything from the Phoenix Saga in this


"Dark Phoenix Saga" was to X3 what "God Loves, Man Kills" was to X2. Some of the basic ideas were there, but they were not going for a adaptation at all.

BTW what do you guys think about the end with Magneto?;)


Can't keep a good villain down. :) Movie Magneto just needs to lose his powers about 10 more times to catch up to his comic counterpart.


SEAN

[Titan76]

"Dark Phoenix Saga" was to X3 what "God Loves, Man Kills" was to X2. Some of the basic ideas were there, but they were not going for a adaptation at all.
Which really hurts the movie itself. I mean they went for the adaptation for Spider-man and look how well that did. Yeah they change a few things but they stay true to most of the comic. In X2 the only things you can compare that to the "God Loves, Man Kills" story is Stryker being in it and Xavier being control by Stryker and going to kill every mutant. That's not basics, more like taking just a very, very, very, small thing from the comic and puttting it onto the big screen. Which is again what we got for X3. I do believe the movie would have been much better if the Phoenix story it self be the plot, but I'm not the one calling the shots so it doesn't really matter then.


Can't keep a good villain down. :) Movie Magneto just needs to lose his powers about 10 more times to catch up to his comic counterpart.
And needs to die at least 3 times as well.;)

[One-Eye]

Saw it last night (as in Fridaty night)...some long thoughts.

Too fast and loose. They had some excellent premises in this movie, such as the cure, the suppression of the Phoneix, Magneto and Xaviers relationship, the teen angst triangle and a few others. The problem is that to fit all this in plus the huge battle at the end meant that all these plots had to be watered down. It would have only taken another 15 minutes to flesh some of these plots and make the big battles at the end more meaningful. Instead we got the big battle faster with to little context.

Magneto has to be my favorite character from these movies. His action sequences against humans are just awsome (the police in the first one, breaking out the prision in the second and the soldiers at the Weapon X Facility). We got to see him do some pretty amazing things this time, such as easily brushing aside the mobile government detention center and moving the Golden Gate bridge. Plus Ian's performance is perfection, and he quickly becoming one of my favoirte actors as well (haven't seen him in Da Vinci Code yet).

Like Magneto, Stewart is Professor X. You could almost believe that Stan Lee used Stewart as the model of Xaiver (of course we know that is impossible). He has the right mix of fatherly charm, projection of intellect and the creeping sense that he may not be as perfect as everyone (including himself) thinks he is. This is one thing I really enjoyed about the movie, the sense that Xaiver is starting to show his dark side. I remember the whole Onslaught affair and his slow slide into darkness...and I think we have potential for something similar with movie Xavier.

Wolverine: like the above to, I think Jackman's performance is great. This is the character that made him into a big time actor, and it really shows in the first two, and while I think the writers messed up his dialoged, his attitude and his feral side, they also made the mistake of putting him in a leaders role (which I never believed Wolverine was suited for). I've also had a big problem with how the first two movies seemed to focus way too much on Wolverine, which is unfortunate when doing Team movies of this sort. But he sells tickets, so I can't blame the director or producers for this.

Cyclopes and Jean: I've read all the problems with Maderson leaving the cast (or not fully participating), but I don't think it hurt the film. Cyclopes has always been my favorite character from the books, but the movies really sidelined him, which is unfortunate because he really is the foundation of the X-Men (much like Xavier). I don't think he's dead though (his glasses were still around, which leaves me to believe he survived. In fact I was waiting for him to reappear the whole movie and lead the team to victory. And to reiterate what most people have said, the Phoenix saga is really about the relationship between Scott and Jean. Framke played Jean excellently, for what she was given. But these movies have focused on the easy route, by focusing on Wolverine and thus have failed to really capture the X Men in the way they are meant to.

Cameo appearances: I don’t mind cameo appearances, but after reading this forum, I didn’t even realize half of the comic book character were in the movie. The only one I really recognized were part of the ‘New Mutants’ (been on hiatus for about four years). I think this is a major misfire, especially if they plan on a fourth installment. Establishing characters is a major point of a franchise, and there is no reason to mess around with origins (unless they conflict with established storyline or the ‘feeling’ of the films) because each character used has a well established and thought out history. I am really frustrated by the use of comic character’s names with movier characters that have no resemblance. Seems a half assed effort by the writing staff.

“Dark Phoenix Saga”: I read this well I was still pretty young. I understood what was going on. I understand that movies can’t take the same amount of time to set things up as comics can, but come on. There is a HUGE storyline here that is abused as a secondary line. Plus the lack of Cyclopes in the DPS is pure misunderstanding of story. This might be coming from a Cyclopes fan, but I felt the whole attempt was half-assed.

Grammar as the Beast was perfect. I didn’t learn about this until just before the movie released, but I thought it was excellent. Grammar is both and excellent actor and an intellectual, and make no doubt, CGI can work the fight scenes just fine. His lines, including the fan boy one, are well executed, and like Beast from the books, he seems to enjoy his existence despite the problems it presents.

The Newbies (by this I mean everyone under 20): Nice attempt, but I think poor writing affected these characters. Sorry to say, but the only persons I felt believable from this group where Iceman and Pyro. Singer set up a great fight between the two, and this movie sort of let down on it (not too much though). Still I the Singer inspired Ice versus Fire concept worked out regardless of his absence.

Now, I will agree with the majority of posters here, Shadow Cat sequences worked out. This is mostly because the performance and also because of the writing (one of the few things these guys got right). Though I understand her comic situation is wrong, it still works. I give great credit to this actress, because she managed to take bad writing and turn it into something better then it was.

Colossus: Just like everyone else here...I was waiting for the Colossus Juggernaut fight. I was pretty disappointed by the fact that shadow cat beat him. I couldn’t believe a director or writer could miss such a climatic or intense fight. On the other hand I think both actors partial’s of characters was spot on. \Remember all nay sayers, Jug is not a mutant in the comic world, thus he would have no place in the movie. Though I do agree he might have possibly pushed Prof X further into darkness if the original character had been used.

Last is Halle Barrie as Storm. I have no problem with the movies changing character a little bit, and though I never licked Storm in the books, I found myself empathizing with her. It seems obvious that ‘movie’ Storm and ‘comic book’ Storm are two different characters. And I think she manages to continue Storms movie version (as a previous poster has detailed) rather then reverting to outdated stereotypes (which no matter Stan Lee’s message of tolerance, was still prevalent in the 60's and 70's._

X-Men 3: The Last Stand is a good flick. This is mostly due to the fact of Stewart, MecKellin, Frankme and Jackmen’s (despite the hatred I have for the character) performances. I really think it is the lack of hard core research of the writers did. who had so much excellent material to draw upon. To be truthful, I have to say that the writers probably tried to resolve ever major X plot in an hour and 45 minute (something that even Claermont is incapable of). This probably screwed the poor bastard’s over. I blame them mostly the writers (as an unprofessional writer) for the lack of attention to detail (as a soldier and a semi-fan boy), but mostly I think it is our director’s fault (who tried by the way) and biggest of all, our producers. Our producers saw a trilogy, something you cannot do with such an intense mythology as the X Men. The biggest mistake was losing Singer, whom had a three part saga going on. Superman Returns screwed this film more then anything else ( directors and actors) more then anything else.

But in the end, it disappoints the out of date fan boy that I am. As the movie goer, I liked it. By disconnecting myself by the characters (which I did afer the Wolverine Jean love scene) and just realizing that this wasn’t a continuation of the Singer storyline, I enjoyed it. Nothing like the emotional intensity of X2 (probably the best super hero movie yet), but enough to satisfy me. Yes I’d like to se the X Men in real life, but the regular movie going audience wants premises and big battles. X2 succeeded in both, but you can’t expect this from every super hero movie (look at a lot of the crap that marvel super heros have inspired). It was still a pretty decent flick, despite it’s fan boy flaws. Much better then most of what has been coming out of marvel in the past two years (except the Spider Man franchise, which is ready to dominate the super hero genre if they pull of S3)

[One-Eye]

In X2 the only things you can compare that to the "God Loves, Man Kills" story is Stryker being in it and Xavier being control by Stryker and going to kill every mutant. That's not basics, more like taking just a very, very, very, small thing from the comic and puttting it onto the big screen. Which is again what we got for X3. I do believe the movie would have been much better if the Phoenix story it self be the plot, but I'm not the one calling the shots so it doesn't really matter then.

First ofr all I agree. the Phoenix story shoul have done alone, not as a secondary plot. As one of the most reverd plots of comics, and the top of the Marvel company, it really should have been more respected then it was in X3. I don't think movies need to follow the comics implicably though. In the movies, you need to establish some reality, then counter it with fantasy (at least in Super Hero flicks). I think the director and writers way under utilzed the potential of there plots in X3, but it is still a good movie, if you remember this is a movie and not a comic book.

[bushboy]

I liked this movie alot, just a few problems.
I think you really need to stay after the credits for this one. Why no Colossus vs. Juggernaut? Sir Ian Mckellan did another wonderful job as Magneto. I just loved the line where Kitty phases Juggernaut through the floor and he says, "Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut b****!" And then busts out of the floor and begins his reckless pursuit. Classic.

[larroca fan]

Loved it- seen it 3 days in a row. first time with my best mate, but she brang these boys-second with my dad who starting falling asleep before the film started, likly jean grey was screaming scott and my dad spang up off his seat because the film was so load. the 3rd time i just saw it onb my own and ate sweets. this was far the best and jean was frickin amazing, hugh was fantastic and kitty is my new crush.

[kloudsurfer]

Ok now that Ive gotten over my fangirlish excitement, it has dawned on me.

That movie wasnt very good.

*ducks to avoid chairs flying from all directions*

Sure it had many great moments, but its problems outweighed it advantages. The whole thing was just a big mish mash of characters and plots. It was too overcomplicated.

Nevertheless, I would see it again just to see the awsome bits. :D

[Steffen]

Okay, so I have to ask (since I don't read the comics), what's the deal with Juggernaut's line to Kitty? Was that from the comics or something?

[Zengei]

Okay, so I have to ask (since I don't read the comics), what's the deal with Juggernaut's line to Kitty? Was that from the comics or something?
http://youtube.com/watch?search=Juggernaut&v=k4qdX6_9XgI

[CPT Space Bomb]

Loved it- seen it 3 days in a row. first time with my best mate, but she brang these boys-second with my dad who starting falling asleep before the film started, likly jean grey was screaming scott and my dad spang up off his seat because the film was so load. the 3rd time i just saw it onb my own and ate sweets. this was far the best and jean was frickin amazing, hugh was fantastic and kitty is my new crush.
Yup, this movie was good. And it made sense. All the people crying about plots should consider the fact that we sat through two pretty boring movies, though good, but ..........Jason Stryker? William Stryker? and Lady Deathstrike? WOW, GOOD ADDITIONS. I can see why people are more happy with those additions than PHOENIX, BEAST, JUGGERNAUT (Bitch), Angel, Madrox, Kitty, and all the others. Yah, that makes sense.........

[Zengei]

Yup, this movie was good. And it made sense. All the people crying about plots should consider the fact that we sat through two pretty boring movies, though good, but ..........Jason Stryker? William Stryker? and Lady Deathstrike? WOW, GOOD ADDITIONS. I can see why people are more happy with those additions than PHOENIX, BEAST, JUGGERNAUT (Bitch), Angel, Madrox, Kitty, and all the others. Yah, that makes sense.........
Except, Jason Stryker, William Stryker, and Deathstrike were additions with a purpose. Jason Stryker & William Stryker were both integral to the plot and Deathstrike was there for the most memorable fight scene in all 3 movies. A lot of the additions in X3 were basically superficial fluff, especially Angel.

You understood the characters added to X2. You understand Stryker's viewpoint, you understood his rage and anger over his son. You even felt sorry for Deathstrike when she died (probably one of the most memorable shots in the film) because you realize she was probably entirely innocent and circumstance led to her downfall. I felt nothing for the characters added to X3.

[Titan76]

Yup, this movie was good. And it made sense. All the people crying about plots should consider the fact that we sat through two pretty boring movies, though good, but ..........Jason Stryker? William Stryker? and Lady Deathstrike? WOW, GOOD ADDITIONS. I can see why people are more happy with those additions than PHOENIX, BEAST, JUGGERNAUT (Bitch), Angel, Madrox, Kitty, and all the others. Yah, that makes sense.........
Actually, I didn't really like the first two movies. But given Singer didn't have much of a buget at all to do anything in those two movies because of FOX I do give him credit for trying his best. He did do some nice character work in those movies but with the buget he got that's about all he could do.

[CPT Space Bomb]

Except, Jason Stryker, William Stryker, and Deathstrike were additions with a purpose. Jason Stryker & William Stryker were both integral to the plot and Deathstrike was there for the most memorable fight scene in all 3 movies. A lot of the additions in X3 were basically superficial fluff, especially Angel.
Oh yeah, that was sure the best fight scene all right. (Laying on sarcasm). Wow, Lady deathstrike was horribly represented, and while Jason and William Stryker did have a purpose, I found the "Superficial fluff" much more enjoyable as an X-men fan. Seeing Juggernaut plow throw things and people like they were nothing was sweet. Also, Phoenix was dark and scary. Yah, that was sure the best fight in all three movies. (once again, laying on sarcasm pretty thick).

[Titan76]

Except, Jason Stryker, William Stryker, and Deathstrike were additions with a purpose. Jason Stryker & William Stryker were both integral to the plot and Deathstrike was there for the most memorable fight scene in all 3 movies. A lot of the additions in X3 were basically superficial fluff, especially Angel.
Deathstrike's fight with Wolverine was the most memorable fight scene in all three movies?:eek: Did you not see the fight scene at the end of the movie? That fight was better and had more action in it then both the first two combine.

[CPT Space Bomb]

Deathstrike's fight with Wolverine was the most memorable fight scene in all three movies?:eek: Did you not see the fight scene at the end of the movie? That fight was better and had more action in it then both the first two combine.
Yah, I fealt nothing for Deathstrike. She was pathetic.

[Zengei]

Deathstrike's fight with Wolverine was the most memorable fight scene in all three movies?:eek: Did you not see the fight scene at the end of the movie? That fight was better and had more action in it then both the first two combine.
Yes I saw it and like I said in my review it was mostly faceless, nameless pawns versus faceless, nameless soldiers. It was all "RARRAGGGGG" with no finesse. The Deathstrike fight was beautifully choreographed and was absolutely brutal. It was actually fighting, not just people charging in just to get their ass handed to them 5 seconds later. Nightcrawler's fight in X2 was also wonderful, showcasing his powers in a creative and nicely shot way. Heck, even the tornado, fighter jet scene in X2 was more intense than the battle at the end of X3.

[CPT Space Bomb]

Heck, even the tornado, fighter jet scene in X2 was more intense than the battle at the end of X3.
Wow, you're a Bryan Singer fanboy aren't you.........

[Zengei]

Wow, you're a Bryan Singer fanboy aren't you.........
I think Bryan Singer and his creative team did a fantastic job on X1 and X2. They only other film I've seen by Singer is The Usual Suspects. If liking the way a particular director handled a film makes me a fanboy of his then yes I am a Bryan Singer fanboy. :rolleyes:

(If Singer made X3 as it is I would be making the same criticisms)

So are you some kind of Brett Ratner fanboy?

[Titan76]

Yes I saw it and like I said in my review it was mostly faceless, nameless pawns versus faceless, nameless soldiers. It was all "RARRAGGGGG" with no finesse. The Deathstrike fight was beautifully choreographed and was absolutely brutal.
Yeah, Wolverine getting his ass kick for 90% of the fight is real beautiful. And Deathstrike showing off her healing factor also was great even though she doesn't have one in the comic. And Wolverine beating her by being the better fighter he is.. oh wait he didn't beat her that way, he beat her by sticking adamantium into her.

Yet Storm showing off some of her powers during the fight, Wolverine actually fighting in the fight like he finally knows how to while Beast was helping him, Jean trying nearly everyone into ash was not that good. Oh and Magneto throwing cars on fire and moving the bridge was good at all either.

It was actually fighting, not just people charging in just to get their ass handed to them 5 seconds later.
I could have sworn the fight lasted longer then that. Though I do remember Wolverine beating Deathstrike lasted for 10 seconds.:D
Nightcrawler's fight in X2 was also wonderful, showcasing his powers in a creative and nicely shot way.
I'll give you that.
Heck, even the tornado, fighter jet scene in X2 was more intense than the battle at the end of X3.
......:confused:

You mean Storm just sitting on her ass and making tornados was better then her throwing lighting, Jean turning people into ash, Magneto throwing car bombs, and Beast and Wolverine beating the crap out of nearly everyone? Wow.:eek: I guess it is true, everyone has their own taste in fight scenes.

[steve2275]

but he has some badass fights in his armored form
u call hitting only 2 people badass

[Beast]

Loved the movie! But u cant help but wonder what would it have been like if Joss Whedon directed it...
Considering Joss contributed the 'Toad/Lightning' line from X1, it probably would have reeked.

[Tobias March]

I'd say the advantage Ratner's film had over the previous two was that it didn't take itself as seriously. It was a comic book film through and through, whereas Singer seemed to adopt this po-faced seriousness, particularly in the sequel that I found annoying (except for Nightcrawler's brilliant introduction - my favourite sequence within the trilogy).

On the other hand X3 was half-baked and somewhat insulting.

Would anyone care to identify the cameos? I was happy to see Herman Glob (for all of two seconds before he's depowered). And I think Siryn was the freckly redhead we see once or twice, sobbing when the news of Xavier's death comes. Aside from that who else featured in blink and you'll miss it cameos?

And was it just me or was Arclight ever so androgynous?

[bounusball75]

See I think Singer had found a spot, where it wasn't to serious but gave a relastic, this could happen feel. I think this had the best fight seen by far, but I expected more out of pyro/iceman fight.

[xmanson]

Considering Joss contributed the 'Toad/Lightning' line from X1, it probably would have reeked.


Keep him away from the movies, please.

[Nightcrawler]

If there was an X4, I could easily see the Sentinels in it. Remember in X3 when the President was talking to the black cabinent member, he called him Trask (the original creator of the Sentinels in the comics) and told him to stop the mutants at any cost. See what I mean? Trask could justify building the mutant-hunting machines as a Presidential order.

[Affinity]

I'll say it again...the fight at Jean's house was uber-fun. Just the non stop BOOSH BOOSh BOOSH BOOSH was great. Storm got massively pwned, though.

[Xany Kaos]

Considering Joss contributed the 'Toad/Lightning' line from X1, it probably would have reeked.

He also contributed the "prove it!" "You're a dick" line. I still hold that if someone had delivered the Toad/Lightning line in a more campy, off-handed way, it...might've...been funny.


One other thing that bugs me...the color scheme in this movie--too dark. I mean, I've only seen it once so far, but the impression I get when trying to remember anything is of really muddy colors, like it was all shot through tinted glass. Probably trying to convey the darkness of the movie, but it really just made it hard to see anything in the crowd/camp scenes...and made it look like they were covering up their lack of inovation.

[Red Lotus]

Cyclopes and Jean: I've read all the problems with Maderson leaving the cast (or not fully participating), but I don't think it hurt the film. Cyclopes has always been my favorite character from the books, but the movies really sidelined him, which is unfortunate because he really is the foundation of the X-Men (much like Xavier). I don't think he's dead though (his glasses were still around, which leaves me to believe he survived. In fact I was waiting for him to reappear the whole movie and lead the team to victory. And to reiterate what most people have said, the Phoenix saga is really about the relationship between Scott and Jean. Framke played Jean excellently, for what she was given. But these movies have focused on the easy route, by focusing on Wolverine and thus have failed to really capture the X Men in the way they are meant to.

I blame marvel for this. Three movies have been mostly about him and its only cause marvel wants Wolverine to be the star of the movie. This Movie had so much promise but it failed short of what it should have been.

[Beast]

Estimated box office reciepts for Saturday are in now. Seems like everyone hit it on Friday (Due to Memorial Day), as we didn't have the usual jump for Saturday showings.

1. X-MEN: THE LAST STAND 20TH CENTURY FOX 3,689 32,120,000 8,707 n/a 76,640,000

[Rio_de_Janeiro]

but one thing really bothered me:

sudden nightfall in the bridge scene. they started the scene during the day and in one second, it was nighttime. ... weird...

[Beast]

but one thing really bothered me:

sudden nightfall in the bridge scene. they started the scene during the day and in one second, it was nighttime. ... weird...
It was probably close to sunset when the bridge scene started. Just no-prize it by saying it took a little while to cross the island to the facility and then to prepare the pawns. Magneto maybe even gave an off-screen speech, he does like to give speeches. :D

[D-LO]

Was Storm supposed to have an African accent???:confused: I've noticed she had a slight accent but it was completly diminished this time!!!

[Beast]

Was Storm supposed to have an African accent???:confused: I've noticed she had a slight accent but it was completly diminished this time!!!
She only had the accent for some of X-Men 1. It hasn't been present for X-Men 2 either.

[Rio_de_Janeiro]

It was probably close to sunset when the bridge scene started. Just no-prize it by saying it took a little while to cross the island to the facility and then to prepare the pawns. Magneto maybe even gave an off-screen speech, he does like to give speeches. :D


i'll just imagine storm's subconscious added to the mix by bringing dark clouds that helped hide the sun as well...

auf wea...

[Beast]

i'll just imagine storm's subconscious added to the mix by bringing dark clouds that helped hide the sun as well...

auf wea...
Agreed. It's just another problem with not giving the film some breathing room. If they wanted the main fight at night, they could have had Magneto's forces shown crossing the bridge as the sun went down. In fact, they didn't show as many folks on the bridge that actually attacked the island. So maybe they were waiting on the land side, for Magneto to place the bridge. It did extend from the shore of the island to the manland. *Shrugs*

[Zombienorthstar]

Was Storm supposed to have an African accent???:confused: I've noticed she had a slight accent but it was completly diminished this time!!!


Bryan Singer said that she dropped it in the course of the first film...which is a shame because in the scnes she uses it (her classroom scne where she tells of Pyro...) its pretty cool.

[Xany Kaos]

Anyone else think that Jean's gravestone should have a little question mark on it? Or maybe two tallies or something?

[Affinity]

Bryan Singer said that she dropped it in the course of the first film...which is a shame because in the scnes she uses it (her classroom scne where she tells of Pyro...) its pretty cool.

I didn't like it at all. Halle Berry forced it, and it sounded terrible with her lines. By the way, where DIDN'T she use it in X-Men 1? I seem to remember it heavily everywhere.

[Affinity]

Estimated box office reciepts for Saturday are in now. Seems like everyone hit it on Friday (Due to Memorial Day), as we didn't have the usual jump for Saturday showings.

1. X-MEN: THE LAST STAND 20TH CENTURY FOX 3,689 32,120,000 8,707 n/a 76,640,000

Lol, can you decipher that for us, Beast?

[Twigglet]

Lol, can you decipher that for us, Beast?

Easy.

X-men 3 = Amazingly well at box-office.

[Zombienorthstar]

I didn't like it at all. Halle Berry forced it, and it sounded terrible with her lines. By the way, where DIDN'T she use it in X-Men 1? I seem to remember it heavily everywhere.


Perhaps the better question would be where did she talk in X-Men 1....and why the hell wouldnt she shut up in X-Men 3.

[bushboy]

Would anyone care to identify the cameos? I was happy to see Herman Glob (for all of two seconds before he's depowered). And I think Siryn was the freckly redhead we see once or twice, sobbing when the news of Xavier's death comes. Aside from that who else featured in blink and you'll miss it cameos?

I think that was Sunspot who let out that mouthfull of ash, Psylocke was there(just didn't use her powers), was that one guy supposed to be a male Marrow?

[Affinity]

Ash Mouth Full of Coal was some retarded no body.

Psylocke could apparently turn "invisible".

Male marrow could have been SPIKE from X-Men Evolution or The Spike from X-Statix.

[Zombienorthstar]

I think that was Sunspot who let out that mouthfull of ash, Psylocke was there(just didn't use her powers), was that one guy supposed to be a male Marrow?


That wasnt much like sunspot...he was more liek lavaish...and he was a black guy and his powers werent the same....so since he was credited as sunsport i fail to see how he is....cool power though would kinda like to see him turn up in an x-book....oh my god did i jsut campaing for another fire-mutant?

Also y'kmow Psylocke she did use AN abbility...she seemed to be able to turn invisible...inexplicably.

[Xany Kaos]

I think male marrow should be a new character called "The Porcupine"! It just sings!

[Beast]

Lol, can you decipher that for us, Beast?
Sure:

Screens: 3,689
Saturday Ticket Sales: $32,120,000
Average Per Screen: $8,707
Box Office Total for Friday and Saturday: $76,640,000

[bushboy]

Also y'kmow Psylocke she did use AN abbility...she seemed to be able to turn invisible...inexplicably.
When did that happen? Good thing I'm going back too see it again.

[Beast]

When did that happen? Good thing I'm going back too see it again.
When Quill, Arclight, and Psylocke go after Warren Jr. and Kavita Rao inside Worthington Labs. She steps away from the wall in the corridor and seems to decloak. Seems like they gave her the Morlock 'Facade's' powers, that was a camoflauge ability lke that. Meh.

[Anon_me]

What scene were the Cuckoos in? I'll look for them when I go see it again.


SEAN

They were just three blonde girls who wore the same preppy outfit behind Storm and Xavier in that scene where Xavier told Storm that she would be the one to take his place when he's gone.

And that's not Psylocke...that was...Camouflage Girl on loan from Legion of Superheroes...mhm

[Zombienorthstar]

When Quill, Arclight, and Psylocke go after Warren Jr. and Kavita Rao inside Worthington Labs. She steps away from the wall in the corridor and seems to decloak. Seems like they gave her the Morlock 'Facade's' powers, that was a camoflauge ability lke that. Meh.


To be fair though she could have been using telepathy to cloak herself...im just dissapointed we didnt get any 'focused totality of me telepathic abbilities' moments from her.

[Beast]

To be fair though she could have been using telepathy to cloak herself...im just dissapointed we didnt get any 'focused totality of me telepathic abbilities' moments from her.
No, they showed it as a visible decloaking effect. Stepping away from the wall and then becoming visible. How hard would it have been to give her the psi-knife, and have her threaten Worthington with it?

[Zombienorthstar]

No, they showed it as a visible decloaking effect. Stepping away from the wall and then becoming visible. How hard would it have been to give her the psi-knife, and have her threaten Worthington with it?


yes but that decloakign could have been her lettign them finally see her though and it just happened to happen as she stepped away from the wall...im playing devils advocate here beast :D I really jsut want her to have telepathy.....oh why wont you let me believe :(

[Will.S]

u call hitting only 2 people badass
Eh, it's enough for now. Even though he didn't say much, I liked that he at least he appeared throughtout the movie and lent some muscle to the team.

[Xany Kaos]

I did like his trick at the beginning of giving Rogue his power on purpose so they could both armor up. Just quick and effective.

[PerfectBrak]

No, they showed it as a visible decloaking effect. Stepping away from the wall and then becoming visible. How hard would it have been to give her the psi-knife, and have her threaten Worthington with it?

Could be her ability to hide in shadows when she was affected by the Crimson Dawn, thought it's a stretch...

[Affinity]

Lol, it was right under a light on the wall, if I remember correctly. They messed her up.

I know, it's PSYLOCKE YAY, but cameos are fun when they aren't messed up. Like coal-mothma being Sunspot? What, are they retarded? Why waste that name on a nameless face?

[jawbreaker]

k' I couldnt read thru this whole thread, so sorry if I mention anything thats already been discussed:

l liked it...
from what I had read about I was expecting a really crappy flick...I had already spoiled myself for much of it....but I was entertained throughout. Was it as good as the first two...nope. Would Singer had done a better film if he had been allowed to do it...probably...I think we should have gotten less thug redshirt mutants & more time with the established characters...the way Cyclops, Mystique & Rogue were handled I didnt like much either...Jean/Pheonix was fine, but I was never a big fan of that storyline anyway...Beast was excellent, loved Angel but he should have gotten more screentime...I give it a 7....


oh & they missed out by not giving Marrow & Avalanche cameos, they would have made more sense than nameless bone guy & the Arclight she-man...too bad.

[Young Avenger]

Where's the merchandising for this movie? I mean, where's the Wolverine claw toys, promotions from Burger King, X-Men steepstakes (sp?) and the like?

[DDM]

Where's the merchandising for this movie? I mean, where's the Wolverine claw toys, promotions from Burger King, X-Men steepstakes (sp?) and the like?

And the Callisto, Arclight, & Psylocke Barbie dolls...:p

[Montopolis]

Since Im probably the only one who hasnt seen and cant see the movie in this forum. I think you guys should give me details, and I mean Line for line on what the hell happens. I would also like a Psylocke barbie doll.

[Will.S]

Where's the merchandising for this movie? I mean, where's the Wolverine claw toys, promotions from Burger King, X-Men steepstakes (sp?) and the like?
Yeah I know.

The only good promotional thing I've seen are the 7-11 slurpie/drink cups but no toys or anything from what I've seen. I guess they spend more of it on commercials and tie ins to FOX programming.

Since Im probably the only one who hasnt seen and cant see the movie in this forum. I think you guys should give me details, and I mean Line for line on what the hell happens. I would also like a Psylocke barbie doll.
To quote Kramer:

"No chance in hell."

[Zombienorthstar]

Would Singer had done a better film if he had been allowed to do it...probably...


Singer was allowed to do the movie. He chose to do Superman instead...i know it wont but i hope the movie bombs to teach him AND Kate Bosworth a lesson.

Why a problem with Bosworth you ask?

She knows why is all i'll say.

[Zengei]

Singer was allowed to do the movie. He chose to do Superman instead...i know it wont but i hope the movie bombs to teach him AND Kate Bosworth a lesson.

Why a problem with Bosworth you ask?

She knows why is all i'll say.
Uh, Fox dragged their feet with X3. Warner Brothers approached Singer after Ratner didn't want to do Superman Returns (http://movienews.virgin.net/Virgin/Lifestyle/Movies/virginMoviesNewsDetail/0,15384,1250076_movies,00.html) and Singer, being a long time Supes fan, took the oppurtunity. Fox didn't seem to be going anywhere with X3, can you blame him? After years, Fox finally decided to produce X3 with an uber-tight deadline.

[TheBatGotHim]

Damn I wish there was figures from X3. A Beast figure would be sooooo nice along with Phoenix and Juggernaunt.

[TheWolfOfAsgard]

Damn I wish there was figures from X3. A Beast figure would be sooooo nice along with Phoenix and Juggernaunt.

There's always the naked Beast figure that's coming out.....

[Beast]

Damn I wish there was figures from X3. A Beast figure would be sooooo nice along with Phoenix and Juggernaunt.
They said there wasn't time to get figures out for the movie, and the X2 figures didn't sell that well. That said, they said that there may be a couple X3 characters turned into figures next year in Marvel Legends. :)

[m0nster_zero]

i'm a little late at getting to post my opinions of the movie, so i'm not gonna bother w/ containing my post in spoilers.

i liked quite a bit about the movie. i liked the plotline they chose, i liked the characters they included, tho i still would've liked to have seen gambit. i liked the fastball special, i loved vinnie's portrayal of juggernaut, and i thought it was just fantastic seeing bobby ice-up. i wish that would've been done more throughout the movie, since iceman tends to stay in that form while in battle. now here's what i didn't like...

i hated the fact that they "killed" the professor. how dumb. and cyclops lasted, what? 30 minutes? maybe? again i say, how dumb. their "death's" didn't provide anything to the plotline at all. the same effect would've been gotten had they just been hurt badly. cyclops would've made a good edition to the fight in the end and he should've been the one to take out phoenix. although i did like seeing rebecca romijn sans make-up, her depowering was also pointless. and i don't know if anyone noticed, but in the scene in the woods where wolverine is fighting the male version of marrow and he gets stuck in the gut w/ the bones he has two holes in his shirt after he heals, but in the very next scene the holes are gone. does he have the power to heal his clothes now as well? "dang, i ripped my shirt. no prob, it'll heal." you'd think that when dealing w/ a big budget film like this more attention would be paid to smaller details. and then there's the fact that juggernaut is not a mutant. never has been a mutant. shouldn't have been a mutant in the film. i assume they just didn't wanna explain his background w/ the gem of cyttorak (or however it's spelled). i also imagine that if juggernaut were to punch wolverine he wouldn't just fly into a house, he'd fly through it and probably the next few as well. and i don't think that making the phoenix an alternate personality for jean was the way to go. if they were going to do the dark phoenix saga for the movie, the least they could've done was stayed a little bit more true to the comics. the dark phoenix wouldn't have blindly followed magneto and she wouldn't just go around blowing people up. there's a way to do these storylines and there's a way not to do them. ratner is obviously a pro at how to not do them. there's so much that this movie lacked that would've made it tons better for x-men comic fans, but i suppose that for the average movie-goer it's a pretty good movie. i give it a 4 out of 10.

m0nster_zero

[One-Eye]

I don't mind character adjustments (either in the Ultimate line or for Movies). And since the X movies are about mutants, making Juggernaut a super human would have been out of place. And there is way bigger things wrong with this movie other then Juggernaut. Still enjoyed it, as a action flick at least.

[Xany Kaos]

Mm...I think Juggernaut's a mutant in Ultimate X-men. I know he's not in 616, but if they don't want to do all the backstory, I don't think it's an awful move to make him one, instead of having to explain stuff about a mystical gem and all.

[Jake V]

If you've got an hour and a half to tell a story, why bother with the true-to-comics explanation of who Juggernaut is, what his powers are, where they came from, and how he got them? He's a secondary character that isn't important to the plot. Better to just call him a mutant and move on than invest in the time it takes to explain him when he isn't important.

[Sean Whitmore]

Hell, I'm mystified as to why they haven't made him a mutant in the comics already.

I''m not advocating it, but let's face it...Marvel's concern with continuity is LOOSE to say the least. Saying Juggernaut is a mutant can only help them, both with new writers and new readers.

They could even stagger the revelation. Say Cain had a dormant mutant gene, which, combined with the Cytorak gem, made him unstoppable. Then, over time, stop mentioning the gem in his origin altogether. Presto, Juggy's a mutant.



SEAN

[jaguarshark]

Okay, quick question... this has been bugging me for awhile but I wanted to wait until everyone had seen the film to ask it...
In the movie, Jean's powers are entirely part of her mutation. No cosmic Phoenix force here or any of that noise. They kept those powers locked away in the back of her mind for years, and according to Prof X, that part of her personality has called itself 'The Phoenix' since pretty early on in the piece. My question is this...
Why would something call itself the Phoenix before it's come back from the dead? Like, the comics make sense. Jean "dies", ressurects herself out of the water with the flamebird and the new costume etc., and she calls herself the Phoenix. No problems there. Movie Jean, on the other hand, has a part of her personality calling itself The Phoenix before she's even died. WTF?

[Beast]

Jean also had a Phoenix jacket in X2. So it clearly was part of her at that point.

[leg end]

Okay, quick question... this has been bugging me for awhile but I wanted to wait until everyone had seen the film to ask it...
In the movie, Jean's powers are entirely part of her mutation. No cosmic Phoenix force here or any of that noise. They kept those powers locked away in the back of her mind for years, and according to Prof X, that part of her personality has called itself 'The Phoenix' since pretty early on in the piece. My question is this...
Why would something call itself the Phoenix before it's come back from the dead? Like, the comics make sense. Jean "dies", ressurects herself out of the water with the flamebird and the new costume etc., and she calls herself the Phoenix. No problems there. Movie Jean, on the other hand, has a part of her personality calling itself The Phoenix before she's even died. WTF?

Maybe that side of her personality thought it sounded cool?:rolleyes:

Or perhaps it knew the Jean personality would have to 'die', though not necessarily physically, in order for it to gain control.

[jaguarshark]

Originally posted by Beast
Jean also had a Phoenix jacket in X2. So it clearly was part of her at that point.

For sure, I just can't quite figure out why she would have resorted to that iconography and name before she died.

Originally posted by leg end
Or perhaps it knew the Jean personality would have to 'die', though not necessarily physically, in order for it to gain control.

That's the best I've been able to come up with, too. I figure it's either because that part of her personality knew Jean had to 'die', as you said, or because the 'Phoenix' part of her personality was effectively dead, and had plans to revive itself at some point.
Anyone got any other explanations?

[Romus]

I just saw it a few hours ago .. not all that great, but I liked Kitty.

[atoningunifex]

The Phoenix is a bird that lives an amazingly long lifepsan and then, when it senses death approaching, builds a nest and burns itself, dying and thus creating an egg from which a new phoenix emerges. Life, death, rebirth- it's a sun god myth.

When Charles decided to suppress Jean's powers he inadvertantly set up a metapsychic minefield which resulted in Jean developing another personality, one that encompassed her deeper powers and her "darker" passions. There were, in effect, two Jeans; both aware and intelligent.

It isn't hard to see why the suppressed persona would find the imagery of the Phoenix attractive. By adopting the name and imagery of the Phoenix it goes from being a prisoner to being a god simply biding its time. Jean's ego, her anger, her lust and her power sitting there percolating, waiting for a chance to burn its way free.

the movie Phoenix actually makes more sense than the comic book Phoenix when ya think about it.

[jaguarshark]

Originally posted by atoningunifex
The Phoenix is a bird that lives an amazingly long lifepsan and then, when it senses death approaching, builds a nest and burns itself, dying and thus creating an egg from which a new phoenix emerges. Life, death, rebirth- it's a sun god myth.

When Charles decided to suppress Jean's powers he inadvertantly set up a metapsychic minefield which resulted in Jean developing another personality, one that encompassed her deeper powers and her "darker" passions. There were, in effect, two Jeans; both aware and intelligent.

It isn't hard to see why the suppressed persona would find the imagery of the Phoenix attractive. By adopting the name and imagery of the Phoenix it goes from being a prisoner to being a god simply biding its time. Jean's ego, her anger, her lust and her power sitting there percolating, waiting for a chance to burn its way free.

the movie Phoenix actually makes more sense than the comic book Phoenix when ya think about it.


Certainly, in general, I think the movie Phoenix makes more sense than the comic book Phoenix. I like that it was a repressed power that she had all along, and that it began to manifest itself a little before she died. But that's just it... she was showing signs of the Phoenix Force before she died... pre-Rebirth. And if we work off this logic that Jean and the Phoenix were two different personalities, then the death of Jean followed by the re-birth of the Phoenix isn't really the same as the Sun God myth.
Still, I think that's easily the best explanation anyone's going to come up with, atoningunifex. Nice work!

[dupersuper]

Oh, please don't make us think about it...

[Unkillable Cat]

A mediocre film with some good scenes...and also some horribly bad ones. The worst two being:

The X-Men use a jet to fly from the East coast to the West Coast - while Angel uses his wings to do the same thing, and arrives only some 15 minutes after the X-Men?

The troops have guns with Mutant Cure needles, bazookas and mortars with scatter shells, but no-one thought of trying a sniper rifle? One man with a scoped rifle could have taken out Magneto and Pyro before they did anything.

[Will.S]

The Phoenix is a bird that lives an amazingly long lifepsan and then, when it senses death approaching, builds a nest and burns itself, dying and thus creating an egg from which a new phoenix emerges. Life, death, rebirth- it's a sun god myth.

When Charles decided to suppress Jean's powers he inadvertantly set up a metapsychic minefield which resulted in Jean developing another personality, one that encompassed her deeper powers and her "darker" passions. There were, in effect, two Jeans; both aware and intelligent.

It isn't hard to see why the suppressed persona would find the imagery of the Phoenix attractive. By adopting the name and imagery of the Phoenix it goes from being a prisoner to being a god simply biding its time. Jean's ego, her anger, her lust and her power sitting there percolating, waiting for a chance to burn its way free.

the movie Phoenix actually makes more sense than the comic book Phoenix when ya think about it.
It really does.

Although I think they left things vague enough so that the cosmic entity could have still been part of her as well if they choose to go that route and if they want to continue making sequels. The reason I say this is because of the fire effects in both X2 and the demolecularization/ashing of everyone which isn't something she really had as her initial set of TK/TP powers. I also found that having Xavier repress her Phoenix persona was another conglomerization of the Cyclops/Emma/Mastermind stuff from the Dark Phoenix Saga but obviously made simpler due to time constraints and the characters involved.

I thinks it works well within the context of the way the movies have approached the X-lore in a "less adhered to the comic" manner.

[jam37wcc]

I thought this movie was great and I think most of the non-comic people that go and see it will also think it is a great movie. My fiance saw it with me and said it was the best movie she had seen in a long time.

When you look at the fact that they can't tell the movie just like the book and they want to get rid of some characters due to future sequels and not bringing everyone back, I think it was great. I don't think the characters dying ruined the movie, I think it added a needed realism to it that people do die in this war and it is not just the mutants standing in the background.

[jaguarshark]

I don't think the problems with the movie had much to do with faithfulness/unfaithfulness to the comics, I think they had everything to do with rushed pacing, cheesy dialogue, a lack of character development and a vaguely unfinished feel. Michael Pullman said it better than anyone with his comment about being able to "see the wires."
Having said that, I enjoyed the hell out of the Alcatraz battle, and found the rest of it pretty watchable. I was pretty excited the first time I saw it, but has anyone else found that it really doesn't hold up well on second viewing?

[Xany Kaos]

I can't say I'm inspired to see it a second time, which is a crying shame. Even if I had the cash to burn.

I have to admit, I am glad of the way they did Phoenix. I was worried that they'd do the whole cosmic power thing...I always found it cheesy. Works well in a comic book, not so much in an "omgosh gritty-real!" movie.

It was just loose and sloppy in the end, which is really a shame.

[the Hornet]

Okay I saw the movie and I am going to talk about it so please consider that this post will contain

SPOILERS

I saw it twice. And my opinion did not change. While I enjoyed a lot of things like -

1. Kitty and Juggernaut (the best thing about the whole movie)
2. Iceman icing up
3. Claremont's cameo
4. Phoenix's look when in full power (I can accept the lack of raptor)
5. The beast (ecspecially with him being the one taking Magneto out)
6. Storm tornadoe, lightning and flying at Jean Grey's house
7. Wolverine vs Omega Red
8. Both fastball specials
9. Kitty phasing Iceman in the ground and him telling her not to do that again
10. The introduction little Warren

There were still things I did not like -

1. After such a promising intro, nothing was done with Warren. It was like the movie was about two groups, X-Men and the Wrothingtons. Warren's scene could have been filled by anyone

2. Rogue....what a waste. At the end, when Kitty had Leech with no powers, Juggernaut's wall burst could have knocked them out and Rogue should have saved the day, absorbing half his powers and kicking his ass

3. Magneto's bridge relocation was ridicilous. It looked cool and showed us how powerful he is but when you have the Phoenix to carry everyone, it was a waste of effort.

Overall, the main thing I disliked about the movie was as always the lack of Cyclops. I dislike Wolverine in the comics. But I liked him a lot in the movies due to Hugh Jackman’s work on him. However, enough is enough. It was fair to focus a little him to give the non comic readers a POV person. But with the third and so-called final movie, its time to give us x-fans something. To a lot of us, Cyclops is as important, if not more, as Wolverine. To brush away the Jean-Scott relationship in such a cheap way is insulting. As good as the fight scenes and effects were, the portrayal of some characters in this way spoiled the whole thing for me.

And finally, it would have been so much better to save the budget on the Magneto-lifting-bridge scene and spend it on a real X-Men VS Phoenix scene. Not Wolverine VS Phoenix but the entire team trying very hard to bring her down.

[Effect]

Just a few thoughts on the film after just seeing it.

Got back from seeing the film an hour or so ago. To be honest I like X-men 1 and 2 a LOT, LOT, LOT more. Throughout the film I felt underwhelmed and just plain disappointed as the film went on.

Not to say there wasn't some great scenes. I really liked Kitty, Juggernaunt , Jamie Maddox , Iceman ,Quill, Callisto, Beast, Storm and Pyro. Magento and Prof. X were great as always I feel. In fact if the film had focused on these characters only with these same actions things might have been a LOT better.

I had problems with Jean, Cyclops, Angel, Rogue, Colossus, and Wolverine. Not to mention the screw job Scott/Cyclops got but then again he's been getting it since X2. The whole Jean/Logan thing bored me to no end to be honest. Angel and Rogue were completely pointless I felt and was just time wasted I felt. Colossus, while I"m glad had more screen time didn't really seem to do anything.

Still the fight and action scenes were great.

If I had to rate the two I'd give X1 a 8 out of 10 and X2 a 9 out of 10, I have to give X3 a 6 or 5.5 out of 10. Just didn't live up.

It felt kinda rush and disjointed in places. Using the Pheonix was a wrong thing to do I feel. They should have just left Jean out of the story all together and moved on to something else like the Sentinel program, or perhaps Genosha or something like that. Didn't do the storyline any justice at all I feel.

Dialogue felt really choppy in scenes I felt among the X-men or it just could have been how those scenes were edited together. I didn't have that much of a problem with the Magneto and Brotherhood scenes.

Doubt I'm going to go see it a second time. I'll just wait till it's out of DVD. Though I will be rewatchign X1 and X2 soon though. Perhaps I was expecting to much (tried to stay away from spoilers). Then again I was afraid for the 3rd film after the ending of X2. I kept hoping they'd just leave Jean dead and not go into the Pheonix story cause it just wouldn't do it justice or work that well if they really shortened it (like they did) but it happen anyway.

[Ontir]

I think male marrow should be a new character called "The Porcupine"! It just sings!

One of the Reservists in the old Legion of Super-Heroes was "Porcupine Pete." He sprouted quills, that he could eject, but he had no control over how forcefully, or in which direction, which is why he was rejected by the Legion proper for membership!:p

[Zombienorthstar]

I thought they justified the Phoenix in that she was a person who had been resurrected.

They could have just as easily called her jesus and i would have been comfortbale with it.:D

[Beast]

Well, Box Office returns continue to be very positive. X-Men 3 pulled in $107 Million on opening weekend. It's the 4th largest opening weeked ever, behind Spider-Man, Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, and Shrek 2. Note that Star Wars and Shrek are only in the lead by about a million and a half.

[Uncle Nobs]

Uh, Fox dragged their feet with X3. Warner Brothers approached Singer after Ratner didn't want to do Superman Returns (http://movienews.virgin.net/Virgin/Lifestyle/Movies/virginMoviesNewsDetail/0,15384,1250076_movies,00.html) and Singer, being a long time Supes fan, took the oppurtunity. Fox didn't seem to be going anywhere with X3, can you blame him? After years, Fox finally decided to produce X3 with an uber-tight deadline.
Huh. I heard it differently. The way I heard it, Fox was only taking their time so they could get all 14 actors' schedules coordinated and because they wanted to wait until they had the perfect script. But then Singer was offered Superman and jumped at the chance just because he had always wanted to present his particular spin on Supes. Of course, by the time they had different directors involved, their idea of "the perfect script" changed a bit.

Anyway, that's just the way I heard it. Not sure how it really went down. In any case, I do blame Singer for abandoning the X-films, as harsh as that may sound. He had encountered difficulties all along the way of making the first two films, so of course the third would be a pain in the ass, too. I just wish he'd had a little more commitment to the project, because I would have preferred to see his vision on the screen than what Ratner delivered.

[Novaya Havoc]

Novaya Havoc just saw X3 and was... disappointed. I wanted to like it. I reeeeeeally wanted to like it! And there were some great parts -- but they were just parts.

This was like the Chris Claremont of film: trying to interweave several plots in the same medium and bring them all together in the end. I usually don't care for it in the comic X-Men, and I really didn't care for it in the film. Too much was going on, and it didn't do a service to any of them.

It's like juggling with balls of different colors. You want everyone to see you use a color they like, but in the end you cannot manage them all and drop most of them.

In my opinion, what should have been cut:
Phoenix, Cyclops, Colossus, Shadowcat, Juggernaut.

If the movie focused just on the Cure aspect, it could have created for some real character drama and a stronger point: you cannot fight your nature. Some learn to accept it (Angel), some try to fight it (Rogue), and some have the changes forced upon them (Magneto). But the cure being temporary and not the cure-all its portrayed to be was the perfect chance to re-enforce that we cannot fight nature, and we cannot fight who we are.

That point -- the entire subtext of the plot -- was totally lost on the film. Instead it was just a reason to have some gee-whiz special effects. Yeah, it was an adrenaline-pumped 20 minutes, but at the end of the day, the film had no impact. And the film's split-second "toying" with the idea that the cure isn't permanent didn't do it any favors.

Phoenix was too big for this film, and was not addressed properly. Either do the epic "cure" battle and focus on several characters: Angel, Beast, Rogue, Magneto and co, et cetera, or take a more dramatic approach, where the X-Men struggle with giving Jean this "cure." It would have tied in with the snippet on "ethics" perfectly. Instead the screenwriters just cut the baby into two, which is no good to anyone.


I have been, and continue to be, a fan of re-imagining the books and making the characters work in new and exciting ways. I liked the scaled Mystique. I liked old-man Magneto. I liked tattooed Nightcrawler, and LOVED the re-imagined Deathstryke. Anna Paquin is a goddess, Pyro is fun, and Callisto -- in my opinion -- was only a billion times more cooler than she ever was in the comics.

But X3 seemed to try and appeal to the fandom -- a fandom that just cannot be satisfied. Colossus and Kitty were fun to see in X2. As surprise cameos. It fit the action. Fastball specials, confrontations at Jean's home, the Multiple Man, and more? Didn't excite this fan.

Ah well. The film, like its predecessors, needed a linear plot structure that didn't try to work so much in. The only real side-plot in X2 was Nightcrawler; the rest was pretty stable.

Thoughts?

[Novaya Havoc]

Bad double-post!

[Xany Kaos]

I agree, it is a shame about Singer. Some of my friends are now very much eager to see Superman, not because they think it'll be that good, but because they're so desperate to see a Singer film after X3.


Did anyone explain why Storm having a minor emo-ergancy with the wheather, bothered Xavier enough to pause dramatically for, like, five minutes, and then abandon his class?


Or is the answer just "Halle Berry whined for more screen time"?

[Zombienorthstar]

Anyway, that's just the way I heard it. Not sure how it really went down. In any case, I do blame Singer for abandoning the X-films, as harsh as that may sound. He had encountered difficulties all along the way of making the first two films, so of course the third would be a pain in the ass, too. I just wish he'd had a little more commitment to the project, because I would have preferred to see his vision on the screen than what Ratner delivered.


In the end hes shot himself in the foot...he had to work with Kate Bosworth...she knows what she did.

[cyclops2500]

Here's what would have been awesome:
The first two films focused on Wolverine and what had been done to him, but after X2 those issues were resolved. We knew all about where his extra parts and pieces had come from and the perpetrators had been trashed. Given that the end of X2 had a huge flaming Phoenix where Jean Grey had once been, it would have been awesome if WOlvie had been moved to the background a little bit to make room for a Jean/Scott focus for X3.

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Hollywood. Scott gets unceremoniously ganked, clearing a path for a Wolverine/Jean focus for X3. Disappointing in its lack of courage. That said , I really enjoyed the movie. There were a lot of moments where I had to laugh at how awesome it was. They did so many cool things, and the villains were fun. Juggernaut, by himself, was worth the price of admission. Watching Wolverine slice his way through a mutant army was harsh because you know they were all dying. The Phoenix effect, though not a giant flaming bird, was scary. And nobody told me Prince way playing Arclight. :) Overall, a great movie experience. On my own made up scale, 5 being Empire Strikes Back and 1 being Battlefield Earth, I give this film a 4.

[rilokyle]

So, I FINALLY got around to seeing the movie last night, and I wanted to post went I got home cos I was still trying to process it all, but my internet crashed. Boo hoo. So, now I will attempt to say everything that came to my mind as I left the theatre.

As a whole, I really liked this movie- it had a good, strong storyline, awesome fight scenes, and some interesting dilemmas, as well as a few suprises.

Some specific things I liked:
-I liked how the movie didn't really offer an answer to the question, 'should the mutant gene be able to be cured?' I feel like thats something for each mutant to decide for their own, depending on whether or not their power is a gift or a curse, like Rogue for instance.
-I also liked the allegorical commentary on homosexuality- hopefully people walked away from the movie understanding that issue a little bit better.
-I loved Storm's expanded role in the film- I like Halle a lot, and I was glad she got a bigger part. There's a *But* coming further on down.....
-I LOVED when Bobby turned his whole body into ice, because it was like a cute little tribute to the comic book fans.
-I liked the Beast- I wasn't sure if I would have or not, but I thought he made a good transition in the movie. I was a little annoyed that they made his fur part of his mutation, but wasn't too upset because you have to remember that continuity is tricky, and the movies have to be X-Men Lite, so non-fans can follow. Same goes for the Juggernaut thing. Not a big deal.
-I liked that handling of Jean, and I was so sad when she died, but I mean she did kill like a lot of people cos she had no control. Famke is such a good actress and even though she didn't have many speaking lines she had a strong presence in the movie. I really pondered about her character, and what Xavier should have done with her. Should she have been controlled? Not controlling her certainly did not work out in the end. It's an interesting dilemma that I'm still trying to wrap my hands around.
-I LOVED the action scenes, especially the one at the Grey's house and at the island. Very intense and strong.
-I loved watching Callisto and Storm kicking the shit out of each other in every scene.... a very nice tribute to the fans who know these characters relationship in the comics. And damn, Halle was one badass fighter.
-I liked the Moria cameos, as well as the other cameos by Multiple Man (captured Jamie perfectly, except for being evil that is) and Psylocke and others.
-I liked Mystique having actual speaking lines in the movie- I was so excited to see her step-up as a character....... and then they depowered her and she dissappeared, naked of course. So that was kind of a letdown. But at least she finally spoke.
-LOVED that pre-sex scene with Jean and Logan. When she ripped off his belt I giggled like a little girl. I was like, damn she is one horny bitch!
-Although I didn't like that he died, the Xavier death scene was well made, and SOOOO sad. But I was glad that at the very end of the film, it appears he's alive. Yay!

Now onto the things I disliked:
-My biggest complaint was the total shaft that Rogue got in this movie. She wasn't in it for a good portion and I didn't like that she was kinda replaced by that annoying Kitty Pryde. Anna Paquin was completely wasted in this film and that's a shame cos she's such a great actress. I was glad though that she can finally touch Bobby, but now that she's depowered, is she still gonna hang around the school?
-Did not like that Cyclops was killed so early on. I love James Marsden and he totally got the shaft too. There was an abundance of killing in this movie, and while it served a dramatic purpose, it was overkill (no pun intended).
-I feel like there could have easily been an X4, but I wouldn't want to see it if Cyclops, Jean, and Xavier are dead, Magneto, Mystique and Rogue are all depowered, etc. Although, I guess Magneto got his power back at the end?? I wasn't sure.
-Storm. I'm glad Halle got a bigger part, but it was almost TOO big. I felt like she had to be the star in every scene. It got old fast.
-I felt that for all the abundance of X-Men in the comics, the team was soooo small in the movie. There were like no X-Men to be found at all. I would have LOVED a Lorna vesus Magneto scene had Lorna been in the film.
-For all the hype about Angel being in the film, he did absolutely nothing. He had no interaction with the other characters and didn't do anything. That's a shame.
-Another thing that really annoyed me were all the one liners. SOOOOO over the top and corny and not good. LAME.

Okay, that's all that I can think of for now, but I'll probably write some more later on. I mean, I guess I did have a lot of nitpicks about the film, but overall I really enjoyed this movie and thought it was excellent. I hope there will be an X4, but they better hurry cos Ian's getting real old lol. :)

[Beast]

-I liked the Beast- I wasn't sure if I would have or not, but I thought he made a good transition in the movie. I was a little annoyed that they made his fur part of his mutation, but wasn't too upset because you have to remember that continuity is tricky, and the movies have to be X-Men Lite, so non-fans can follow. Same goes for the Juggernaut thing. Not a big deal.
To be fair, Beast's fur is an aspect of his mutation. Which he gained due to drinking his hormonal extract, the chemical cause for mutation in Amazing Adventures. His fur even fell out in clumps when the High-Evolutionary's sattelites turned off mutations world-wide. So it's no big deal. It would have been nice had they explained how he was very different looking in X2, but just no prize it away that he was using an Image Inducer or hadn't turned blue and furry yet. X-Men 3 is verg ambigious whether or not Beast's appearance has been like that a long time, or it was a fairly recent change. Maybe it was just another Henry McCoy. ;)

[Zombienorthstar]

I think Famke was a much better dark phoenix than she ever was a jean grey. I think casting msut have known this was where they were headed when they cast her. She plays crazy nympho bitch very well.

[rilokyle]

To be fair, Beast's fur is an aspect of his mutation. But he gained due to drinking his hormonal extract, the chemical cause for mutation in Amazing Adventures. His fur even fell out in clumps when the High-Evolutionary's sattelites turned off mutations world-wide. So it's no big deal. It would have been nice had they explained how he was very different looking in X2, but just no prize it away that he was using an Image Inducer or hadn't turned blue and furry yet. Or it was just another Henry McCoy. ;)
Yeah, I guess that's true. I mean, I wasn't really bothered by it, it was just something I picked up on. I totally understand that the movie wants to simplify character's often confusing backstories for the sake of non-readers. Oh, and I totally forgot Hank was in X2- I think I might watch it today, and I'll look to find him. :)

[Beast]

Yeah, I guess that's true. I mean, I wasn't really bothered by it, it was just something I picked up on. I totally understand that the movie wants to simplify character's often confusing backstories for the sake of non-readers. Oh, and I totally forgot Hank was in X2- I think I might watch it today, and I'll look to find him. :)
He's on the TV in the bar, when Mystique seduces the prison guard. He's arguing about mutants with Dr. Sebastian Shaw. Sure it's a couple of quick cameos, but it was cool at the time. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/x2hank.jpg

[rilokyle]

He's on the TV in the bar, when Mystique seduces the guard. He's arguing about mutants with Dr. Sebastian Shaw. :D
Oooh la la. Nice. I'll have to look out for that. :)

[Zombienorthstar]

He's on the TV in the bar, when Mystique seduces the prison guard. He's arguing about mutants with Dr. Sebastian Shaw. Sure it's a couple of quick cameos, but it was cool at the time. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/x2hank.jpg


I always assumed Hank image induced himself and then when runnign fro political office outed himself as a mutant.

[Cowlander]

First off I loved this one wayyyy more than the other 2 and thought 2 in particular was really strong. Some of the complaints seem to be more about the movie you wanted to see instead of judging the movie you got. I understand some of the complaints about rushed plot and trying to tie stuff up. This was suppose to be the last since the budget were starting to get out of hand. So they were cramming alot into it, I think they did a good job with that.

Also I noticed everyone keeps calling Quill, Quill whats funny is he's suppose to be Kid Omega(Quentin) according to the credits and they were I quess the Omega Gang.

I pretty much agree with peoples problems with Psylocke. I think the camo was probably their attemp at Crimson Dawn. She actually had the crimson dawn tat under her eye so thats probably what they were going for.

I saw earlier someone wonder if the black guy with ash/lava powers was sunspot. i think thats suppose to be the burning man or coal. SOmething like that I think he was a mutant in the Thunderbolts right before it turned into that fight club ripoff.

Isnt the regen guy who fought Wolvie suppose to be Deadpool and not Omega Red? The picture shown on the net of the actor of OR isnt that guy. I think he was cut along with Jubilee.

This movie had to many good scenes, flowed well enough for what it was juggling and delivered alot of good action. For the cast size any more supposed character development wouldnt have added anything to the film. It would have just slowed the movie down.

The movie did have some problems for me. But I thought they were mostly just funny examples of not having the budget,time or simply overlooking something. Like all of the mutants at the end whose only power was "moving target". All my friends had a good laugh at this huge group of supposed mutants who dont seem to be able to actually do anything.

Caveats...I only read up to about page 8 so someones probably said what I've said more eloquently if so ::shrugs::



But yeah great movie and.....

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!! Callisto was fiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnne.

[Beast]

The movie did have some problems for me. But I thought they were mostly just funny examples of not having the budget,time or simply overlooking something. Like all of the mutants at the end whose only power was "moving target". All my friends had a good laugh at this huge group of supposed mutants who dont seem to be able to actually do anything.
Well, Callisto did say that at the meeting when Magneto was leaving that everyone in the room was less than a 'Class 3' except for Magneto and Pyro, and I assume herself, given her abilities.

[Zombienorthstar]

Well, Callisto did say that at the meeting when Magneto was leaving that everyone in the room was less than a 'Class 3' except for Magneto and Pyro, and I assume herself, given her abilities.


Yeah but is class 2 the abbility to run like an idiot at the crazy guy with metal claws while your leader is LOUDLY tellign anyone wholl listen how your about to die.

[Cowlander]

Well, Callisto did say that at the meeting when Magneto was leaving that everyone in the room was less than a 'Class 3' except for Magneto and Pyro, and I assume herself, given her abilities.
naww it was no one was above a class 3 except except mags and pyro, How pyro classes above 3 but that burning guy didnt I dont know. Yeah but most simply seemed to have no discernable powers whatsoever.

Of those there(alcatraz) it probably broke down as(IMO).

Class 3

Callisto
Quill(kid Omega)
Arclight
Burning Man
Deadpool Guy
Kitty
Wolvie
Callisto
Pyro
Beast
etc

Class 4

Bobby
Juggs
Colossus


high end.
Storm
Mags

Class 5

Jean

Dont think I'm forgetting anyone.

[Uncle Nobs]

Gripes raised and gripes quelled...




Gripe quelled: Jean calling herself Phoenix? Makes perfect sense. Didn't need an explanation at all.

The whole Phoenix persona exists in her subconcious, repressed. It's the angry side of her that wants to be free, illogical, greedy, identifying with Jungian archetypes, creating an atavistic identity rather than a healthy, fully formed one based on introspection and adult coping skills. (Sorry if this sounds like highbrow mumbo-jumbo. These are just the terms I have available to me when discussing these abstract concepts.) So it gives itself a powerful, monstrous name instead of Sybill or Becky or Ralphie.

Then you've got the angel Atoningunifex described. The Phoenix persona is struggling to be free. It feels like a part of her has been killed and wants to be reborn. (By the way, Chad, love the new avatar. Very you. ;) )

Plus, you have to wonder what she was thinking when she let herself be killed in X2. She really seemed to know what she was doing. She didn't have to get out of the plane, but she wanted to. A part of her knew, on some level, that she had to go into a sort of hibernative state in order to fully claim the immense power that had only begun to bubble to the surface. She really did know what she was doing, just as she claimed. So again, her subconscious understood her similarities to the Phoenix of myth.




Gripe quelled (sorta): Magneto moving the bridge? Makes sense and didn't need an explanation, but they provided a misleading one.

He wants to make a statement. He wants to let everyone know that humanity's reign is over. It fits Magneto's M.O. perfectly. He plans to continue to remake the landscape as he sees fit. I agree, though, that it was a mistake to even mention it as a simple matter of how they were going to reach Alcatraz. Audiences stop thinking about it as an overt display of mutant superiority and instead sit there going, "They HAD to move the bridge just to get to the island? Shyeah right."




Gripe raised: Did anyone else think the ending was too "lollypops and rainbows"?

Yay! Beast is now the U.S. ambassador to the U.N.! Um... even though mutants just waged a war against the U.S. military and destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge, and one of the X-Men just killed countless people. But we're not afraid! It's a glorious new age for human-mutant relations! Photo-op!!

Yippee! Leech is at the school now! And he has HAIR! And he doesn't live in a white room anymore! And we still have no idea why he was bald and forced to live in a freaky white room! But that's okay because everything's better now! Set the Danger Room to "Disneyland" and crank the fun dial to 11!

Hooray! Wolvie gets to sigh a huge breath of relief and looks immensely satisfied! Good thing that pesky Jean is dead! He feels much better now, with exactly the kind of resolution that makes you glad to be alive and definitely does NOT leave you feeling conflicted and bittersweet. Pizza party!!

Huzzah! Rogue took the cure! But you know what? She did it for herself. That's right. She's a big girl now and she don't let no man push her around! I think a certain big girl is ready to take the next step and become a woman soon! Hope she likes popsicles!




Gripe raised: Does anyone see the point of resurrecting Xavier? Does anyone else see a glitch here?

I like that Magneto is hinted at slowly getting his powers back. We know he's still out there, in hiding, biding his time. But Charles? Isn't the point of the story that his students must now take over? That they must learn to move forward in a very changed world without their mentor and having suffered some pretty devastating losses? Magneto represents a lingering threat, but what dramatic purpose does Xavier serve besides just a wink to the audience? "Hey-ya! Didn't see this one comin', didja? Caught ya nappin'!"

Plus, how exactly did he telepathically communicate to Moira now that he's in a human body? Or if it wasn't telepathy and he actually spoke aloud to her, how did he retain the same voice as his original body? The mind boggles at the mysteries of mutant magic.




Gripe raised (and maybe quelled while griping): A sentinel in the Danger Room? How will they rationalize it when sentinels are introduced in reality?

What, a bunch of giant robots show up in a future sequel and everyone goes, "Huh. Same imaginary robots we fight in the Danger Room Tuesdays and Thursdays. What a coincidence!"--?

Now if they ever introduce sentinels as real adversaries, the filmmakers are going to have to establish that they existed before X3 and that Xavier somehow knew about them and programmed them into the Danger Room.

Okay, wait. It just occurred to me. Now that I think about it, I guess it's possible that the team faced sentinels in the past, before X1. The Cyke/Jean/Storm/Beast team seems to have had some adventures together. That's actually kinda cool. I wonder what other X-Men were on the early team.

I just hope future filmmakers recognize this and don't screw up the continuity.




I'm out of gripes (for now), so here's a question instead: If a sequel explores the adventures of the early team, who else would you like to see revealed as one of the original X-Men?

The veterans of the movie X-Men are Cyke, Jean, Storm, and Beast. Possibly Xavier accompanied them on missions--maybe while he still had the use of his legs, even. Who else?

I think the only ones I'd want to be revealed as being part of the original team would be Havok, Polaris, Sage, Thunderbird, Banshee, or Mimic. (Obviously not ALL of them--just two or three, maybe.)

Although, maybe Legion and Quicksilver would be interesting, so that Erik & Chuck would be torn over their sons getting caught in their own feud. (I'd leave Wanda out just because I have no idea how to make sense of her powers in a movie. It's either too silly to include at all, or too complicated for a simple supporting character.)




Um, yeah. Guess I'm done now. Big post. Sorry.

[Zombienorthstar]

Gripe quelled (sorta): Magneto moving the bridge? Makes sense and didn't need an explanation, but they provided a misleading one.

He wants to make a statement. He wants to let everyone know that humanity's reign is over. It fits Magneto's M.O. perfectly. He plans to continue to remake the landscape as he sees fit. I agree, though, that it was a mistake to even mention it as a simple matter of how they were going to reach Alcatraz. Audiences stop thinking about it as an overt display of mutant superiority and instead sit there going, "They HAD to move the bridge just to get to the island? Shyeah right."


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This made my friends and I laugh...after the mammoth special effects scene of Ian McKellan guerning i simply whispered to my friend why not just make all the Brotherhood members hold a coat hanger...would have been less impressive but funnier :D

[Novaya Havoc]

Gripes raised and gripes quelled...

Gripe quelled: Jean calling herself Phoenix? Makes perfect sense. Didn't need an explanation at all.

The whole Phoenix persona exists in her subconcious, repressed. It's the angry side of her that wants to be free, illogical, greedy, identifying with Jungian archetypes, creating an atavistic identity rather than a healthy, fully formed one based on introspection and adult coping skills. (Sorry if this sounds like highbrow mumbo-jumbo. These are just the terms I have available to me when discussing these abstract concepts.) So it gives itself a powerful, monstrous name instead of Sybill or Becky or Ralphie.

Then you've got the angel Atoningunifex described. The Phoenix persona is struggling to be free. It feels like a part of her has been killed and wants to be reborn. (By the way, Chad, love the new avatar. Very you. ;) )

Plus, you have to wonder what she was thinking when she let herself be killed in X2. She really seemed to know what she was doing. She didn't have to get out of the plane, but she wanted to. A part of her knew, on some level, that she had to go into a sort of hibernative state in order to fully claim the immense power that had only begun to bubble to the surface. She really did know what she was doing, just as she claimed. So again, her subconscious understood her similarities to the Phoenix of myth.


Jean didn't call herself the Phoenix at all. Xavier did in his intense monologue-o-doom about her "dual personality," which I found all-too convoluted and a cop-out. Why, it's not REALLY Jean! It's just her evil twin subconscious sister.

I was a much bigger fan of the "she evolved further post-X1" theory.

[Zombienorthstar]

Jean didn't call herself the Phoenix at all. Xavier did in his intense monologue-o-doom about her "dual personality," which I found all-too convoluted and a cop-out. Why, it's not REALLY Jean! It's just her evil twin subconscious sister.

I was a much bigger fan of the "she evolved further post-X1" theory.


I liked the idea that Xavier knews this about Jean and didnt tell her...it showed us a bit of the controllign Xavier of the comics. Ultimatley it could be interpreted as Xaviers fault that this happened...not trusting Jean (and adult) to make her own decisions until she broke free from his control.

[Uncle Nobs]

Jean didn't call herself the Phoenix at all. Xavier did in his intense monologue-o-doom about her "dual personality," which I found all-too convoluted and a cop-out. Why, it's not REALLY Jean! It's just her evil twin subconscious sister.

I was a much bigger fan of the "she evolved further post-X1" theory.
I didn't say I liked it. Just that it made sense.

It was in response to a few posters here who questioned why she allegedly referred to her suppressed side as Phoenix before she was resurrected.

[Will.S]

But yeah great movie and.....

OMGWTFBBQ!!!!! Callisto was fiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnne.
I agree yet, there something extremely wrong with that...

*Looks at comic Callisto*

[Xany Kaos]

I absolutely, 100% refuse to believe that that was Callisto. They can say whatever they like, I will never call her Callisto. Ever.

Oh, Callisto, you wonderful, kick-butt, masculine woman with your nifty eyepatch...what have they done to you?!? *whimper*


I hate all of the new brotherhood. They were lame, and they just blended in. They all wore black, and all their scenes were dark... Baaad choices.

-I liked how the movie didn't really offer an answer to the question, 'should the mutant gene be able to be cured?' I feel like thats something for each mutant to decide for their own, depending on whether or not their power is a gift or a curse, like Rogue for instance.
-I also liked the allegorical commentary on homosexuality- hopefully people walked away from the movie understanding that issue a little bit better.

...my friend, just to be a dick, still insists that the "cure" is a metaphor for abortion... oy...


I liked Phoenix=subcouncious Jean better, and I did like the Xavier-is-a-dick aspect that they brought it. Except, y'know, that it was poorly written. Good ideas....looooousy execution.

[MakeshiftHero]

Gripes raised and gripes quelled...

Gripe raised: Did anyone else think the ending was too "lollypops and rainbows"?

Yippee! Leech is at the school now! And he has HAIR! And he doesn't live in a white room anymore! And we still have no idea why he was bald and forced to live in a freaky white room! But that's okay because everything's better now! Set the Danger Room to "Disneyland" and crank the fun dial to 11!

Hooray! Wolvie gets to sigh a huge breath of relief and looks immensely satisfied! Good thing that pesky Jean is dead! He feels much better now, with exactly the kind of resolution that makes you glad to be alive and definitely does NOT leave you feeling conflicted and bittersweet. Pizza party!!

What, a bunch of giant robots show up in a future sequel and everyone goes, "Huh. Same imaginary robots we fight in the Danger Room Tuesdays and Thursdays. What a coincidence!"--?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....awesome.

[Beast]

Gripe raised: Did anyone else think the ending was too "lollypops and rainbows"?

Yay! Beast is now the U.S. ambassador to the U.N.! Um... even though mutants just waged a war against the U.S. military and destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge, and one of the X-Men just killed countless people. But we're not afraid! It's a glorious new age for human-mutant relations! Photo-op!!
I somewhat agree. The ending of the novel makes a great deal more sense, with Beast remaining at the school teaching instead. Especially if he comes back for a possible X4, which Kelsey says he would love to do. But on some level I can see this ending as well. Beast already had a major position in the Government and close friendship with the President. They seem to have known each other for years, considering their relationship in the movie. And we've seen on a number of occassions in the real world how a number of close personal friends of Presidents often get key staff positions. Not to mention things had progressed from the end of X-2, where Mutants were gaining respect and support, especially with Stryker's files falling into the Goverment's hands. It's probably a controversial appointment, but Beast did help save a great deal of soldier's lives serving with the X-Men. Not to mention being personally responsible for the depowering of Magneto and ending that threat. :)

[Will.S]

I somewhat agree. The ending of the novel makes a great deal more sense, with Beast remaining at the school teaching instead. Especially if he comes back for a possible X4, which Kelsey says he would love to do. But on some level I can see this ending as well. Beast already had a major position in the Government and close friendship with the President. They seem to have known each other for years, considering their relationship in the movie. And we've seen on a number of occassions in the real world how a number of close personal friends of Presidents often get key staff positions. Not to mention things had progressed from the end of X-2, where Mutants were gaining respect and support, especially with Stryker's files falling into the Goverment's hands. It's probably a controversial appointment, but Beast did help save a great deal of soldier's lives serving with the X-Men. Not to mention being personally responsible for the depowering of Magneto and ending that threat. :)
While I would have preferred for Beast to stay with the X-Men at the academy, Beast having such a key position in the gov't sort of achieves Xavier's dreams of mutant/human co-existence if you think about it.

[smartalek]

Spoiler warning, I guess, for anyone who has not seen it yet.

How did Charles tranfer his X gene powers over to a comatose patient? His Mind powers are from his mutant ability, his X gene, yet he is able to tranfer that over with his conscious mind?

[Beast]

Spoiler warning, I guess, for anyone who has not seen it yet.

How did Charles tranfer his X gene powers over to a comatose patient? His Mind powers are from his mutant ability, his X gene, yet he is able to tranfer that over with his conscious mind?
Noone said that his powers transferred. Just his psyche. We won't know if X's new body has any powers, or if his mental powers will somehow transfer. Xavier may actually still have his powers, conisdering they do travel with him when he's in astral form in the comics. We'll have to wait and see, if and when there is an X4 to answer those questions. :)

[PerfectBrak]

Gripe raised: Did anyone else think the ending was too "lollypops and rainbows"?

Yay! Beast is now the U.S. ambassador to the U.N.! Um... even though mutants just waged a war against the U.S. military and destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge, and one of the X-Men just killed countless people. But we're not afraid! It's a glorious new age for human-mutant relations! Photo-op!!

Yippee! Leech is at the school now! And he has HAIR! And he doesn't live in a white room anymore! And we still have no idea why he was bald and forced to live in a freaky white room! But that's okay because everything's better now! Set the Danger Room to "Disneyland" and crank the fun dial to 11!

Hooray! Wolvie gets to sigh a huge breath of relief and looks immensely satisfied! Good thing that pesky Jean is dead! He feels much better now, with exactly the kind of resolution that makes you glad to be alive and definitely does NOT leave you feeling conflicted and bittersweet. Pizza party!!

Huzzah! Rogue took the cure! But you know what? She did it for herself. That's right. She's a big girl now and she don't let no man push her around! I think a certain big girl is ready to take the next step and become a woman soon! Hope she likes popsicles!



Ha! The X3 writers could've used you to rewrite their humor.

While the ending was fairly happy, it's not all fun. Scott and Jean are still dead. I wouldn't consider Rogue taking the cure as being a good or bad thing. It depends on how you look at it.

And the very end of the film hints at Magneto retaining his powers, indicating the happy vibe won't last for too long.

[SlapShot!]

during the funeral scene, rogue was wearing a green hood dress thing, a nod to her costume?

also, psylocke didnt use her knive things, i wanted to see those!

colossus didnt have a lot of screentime, he only had like 4 lines.

IM THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!

[jboncha]

WOW!!!
That movie was really emotional.
People dying...
People getting cured...

OMG
I'm still reeling after seeing it.




J B

[Zombienorthstar]

Ha! The X3 writers could've used you to rewrite their humor.

While the ending was fairly happy, it's not all fun. Scott and Jean are still dead. I wouldn't consider Rogue taking the cure as being a good or bad thing. It depends on how you look at it.

And the very end of the film hints at Magneto retaining his powers, indicating the happy vibe won't last for too long.

Yeah but the point is none of that was even reflected. We literally left Wolveirne smiling smugly with his hadns on his hips as the camera panned up to a sunny blue sky...he just gutted the lvoe of his life!

[Romus]

did it bug anyone else how the creators don't know how Kitty's powers work? Juggernaut would be dead or permanently fused with that floor.

[Beast]

did it bug anyone else how the creators don't know how Kitty's powers work? Juggernaut would be dead or permanently fused with that floor.
Depends on the interpretation of her powers. X-Men: Evolution Kitty has done the same move, phase/fusing Juggernaut into a dam. It's no biggy, just a different interpretation of her powers.

[Zombienorthstar]

Depends on the interpretation of her powers. X-Men: Evolution Kitty has done the same move, phase/fusing Juggernaut into a dam. It's no biggy, just a different interpretation of her powers.

Its not ehr powers that are different is it? Its there interpretations of physics...if you put a solid floor between someones chest that wasnt there before usually it kills them.

[Romus]

Depends on the interpretation of her powers. X-Men: Evolution Kitty has done the same move, phase/fusing Juggernaut into a dam. It's no biggy, just a different interpretation of her powers.


How could the power of phasing things 'through' objects suddenly become moving the atoms around the persons legs to encase them? In this case the atoms of Juggernaut's legs and the floor were not occupying the same space, he was jsut encased, which is not how her powers would work. If she phased a steel beam through his chest and let go, in this interpretation the two ends sticking out of the front and back would just fall off and he would be unharmed. But the correct way is that the steel beam would fuse with his chest and he goes bye bye forever.

Kitty could win just about any fight if she were willing to kill or maim.

[jawbreaker]

I thought it was funny that they gave Leech a Playstation...
nothing is better for sedating imprisoned lab children like the latest PS...

[Choppa]

Stuff I noticed:

-Beat's mutant abilities now include his appearance. When he got near Leech he went back to human, implying that his appearance is related to his mutation.

-Angel seems to have super strength and a healing factor the way he broke those leather straps and then jumped through the glass window and sustained no injuries

-Rogue and Bobby were about to have some freaky sex in their last scene together.

[Choppa]

I thought it was funny that they gave Leech a Playstation...
nothing is better for sedating imprisoned lab children like the latest PS...

Or an Xbox 360 which is what he was playing.

[Zombienorthstar]

-Angel seems to have super strength and a healing factor the way he broke those leather straps and then jumped through the glass window and sustained no injuries



Proportionally if a bird had wings that size they would be able not only to break leather straps...theyd be able to break bones.

[Beast]

Stuff I noticed:

-Beat's mutant abilities now include his appearance. When he got near Leech he went back to human, implying that his appearance is related to his mutation.
Already mentioned. And consistant with his character in the comics:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=3165039&postcount=459

To be fair, Beast's fur is an aspect of his mutation. Which he gained due to drinking his hormonal extract, the chemical cause for mutation in Amazing Adventures. His fur even fell out in clumps when the High-Evolutionary's sattelites turned off mutations world-wide. So it's no big deal. It would have been nice had they explained how he was very different looking in X2, but just no prize it away that he was using an Image Inducer or hadn't turned blue and furry yet. X-Men 3 is verg ambigious whether or not Beast's appearance has been like that a long time, or it was a fairly recent change. Maybe it was just another Henry McCoy.

[rilokyle]

Stuff I noticed:
-Rogue and Bobby were about to have some freaky sex in their last scene together.
I SOOO glad they can finally be together!!! I just wish Ms. Paquin was in the movie for more than 10 minutes. I hope she can stay at the mansion now that's she just a human. I totally understand that she took the cure- I mean a girl's gotta do whatever it takes to hold onto her man, right?? :) Hopefully now Bobby and Rogue can be together forever!!! Oh how I love happy endings! :D

[Beast]

I SOOO glad they can finally be together!!! I just wish Ms. Paquin was in the movie for more than 10 minutes. I hope she can stay at the mansion now that's she just a human. I totally understand that she took the cure- I mean a girl's gotta do whatever it takes to hold onto her man, right?? :) Hopefully now Bobby and Rogue can be together forever!!! Oh how I love happy endings! :D
Bobby will probably dump her now, considering he can't use her as his 'Beard' anymore. :D

[bounusball75]

Yeah but the point is none of that was even reflected. We literally left Wolveirne smiling smugly with his hadns on his hips as the camera panned up to a sunny blue sky...he just gutted the lvoe of his life!

yes, well maybe its b/c He gets some sick pleasure outa killin...or maybe he just recieved oral sex, who knows. ;)

[Beast]

yes, well maybe its b/c He gets some sick pleasure outa killin...or maybe he just recieved oral sex, who knows. ;)
Well, remember they cut the Storm/Wolverine romance subplot pretty much out of the movie. If they would have kept it in, the whole satisfied smile would have made more sense, that he would have got the girl. Glad they did, Beast and Storm belong together. :D

[bounusball75]

Storm and beast babies=PAWN the world.......in ugliness

[Beast]

Storm and beast babies=PAWN the world.......in ugliness
Well, according to Kelsey Grammer, the script, and the novel, the backstory for the movieverse Beast was that Hank and Ororo were a couple back when they were teens. Scott had Jean, Hank had Ororo. :)

[bd2999]

Its not ehr powers that are different is it? Its there interpretations of physics...if you put a solid floor between someones chest that wasnt there before usually it kills them.

I dont know how it works in the movie terms, because Juggernaut is different. But if they are giving him near Juggernaut durability than it would not bother him at all. The guy has had his flesh stripped from his bones and gone one and has been buried under tons of wrong and phased into things before with no ill effects. In terms of comics it makes perfect sense.